the Nirvana Box

I'm curious of the much talked about "Dough, Ray and Me" which is supposed to be brilliant. Again, according to the self-proclaimed Miss World, since basically no one but her and a few other have heard it.

The idea of an actual heart-shaped box have been up for discussion but scrapped, unfortunately. This metal-platter thing seems far less appealing.

NIRVANA BOX SET - 3 CD & 1 DVD
Street Date: Nov. 23, 2004
Features the hits, live performances, previously unreleased rarities and b-sides
Over 50 unreleased recordings including Kurt Cobain's demos
Hours of unheard music and unseen footage
Features a 60 page booklet. DVD with first edition only
3-panel digipack, front cover is a metal plate
Closed size is 26cm x 14.5cm x 2.5cm. Open size is 81cm x 14.5cm

I don't have pricing, artwork or tracklistings at this time but hopefully that will be available soon. I also don't
know yet, if any singles, promos or videos will be released in connection with the box. All I do know is that
what millions of Nirvana fans have been waiting for since 1997 or so is finally here. I really have no idea
what recordings they have used to compile this set. Indeed, some of the Cobain demos must come from all
the cassette tapes that he apparently left behind. The band also did a number of studio sessions which yielded
songs that have yet to be released - although much of this material is already circulating amongst fans. It will
certainly also be interesting to see what the DVD has to offer; perhaps Nirvana's music videos and some live
stuff. It seems unlikely from the description that an entire concert is presented on the DVD. It's probably
clips from various shows. In any case, this is a great day for Nirvana fans!

Billboard posted a story with some new info: "Although a label spokesperson declined to
confirm specifics, Universal Music Enterprises will release a three-CD boxed set from Nirvana in November.
Limited editions of the project will include a DVD, which boasts footage of the Kurt Cobain-led band
playing at a 1987 house party. The box is expected to be one of the most in-demand items at music retail
this holiday season. High hopes were fueled when portions of the DVD were screened at the recent National
Association of Recording Merchandisers conference. 'From what I saw at [NARM] -- which was amazing --
I think it's going to blow everyone away,' Newbury Comics music buyer Carl Mello tells Billboard. 'It really
will out-perform any expectations that customers may have -- even if their expectations are huge.' " Story
courtesy of Billboard. Emphasis added by me. Read more.

there can't be many more canon-y bands that r so underrepresented out there in dvd world.

but this idea of not being able to buy the dvds that come with box sets (see also talking heads boxx/dvd) *outside* of the box sets is starting to annoy me, and i fear it will only get worse.

unless you are prince. at this year's rock hall of fame inductions, he ended his performance by throwing his guitar straight over his head and walking offstage. as far as one could tell from the tv camera angle, it never came down.

It's not Nirvana that are boring, it's the fact that people are still moaning on and on and on about Nirvana that's FUCKING boring. How much further can the barrel be scraped?

(oh, and nobody bitches about My Bloody Valentine box set threads...?)

I was always amused by the fact that a lot of Nirvana songs were in DGCFAD.
-- AaronHz (aaronh...), September 3rd, 2004.

I remember thinking when "Nirvana" came out that "You Know You're Right" should have been released and a tangible stand-alone single...but I guess if they'd done that, no-one would have bought "Nirvana."

"It's not Nirvana that are boring, it's the fact that people are still moaning on and on and on about Nirvana that's FUCKING boring. How much further can the barrel be scraped?

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), September 9th, 2004."

i definitely understand that sentiment (all that "St. Kurt" bullshit is irritating even to me). but this box set's been in the making for a while (and was delayed by legal battles) so those of us who are fans have a little bit to be excited about.

a moist vagina!

Well no, that would be wrong.

I'll be buying it for those 5 new songs, and the DVD.

As for the MBV box, that's for another thread.

Nirvana=the new nu Doors?

Do " 5 songs - okay, okay, at the MOST, EIGHT songs" warrant a fuckin' box set?

(A) The shameless fleecing of the fans by the record company.
(B) The misguided deification of Nirvana.

that Tupac Live album that just came out is pretty cool actually...

But they can make so much more MONEY than they could by releasing a single cd, Alex.

ehh, scratch a box-set, find a ripoff. or not, if you love the loveliness box sets offer...

The 5-8 songs I'm referring to are along the lines of "Dough Ray and Me," the ones that only C.Love and a select few have heard. For the record, there are plenty of Outcesticide tracks that have never been issued as an official album track or b-side, and the quality of recording for most of these is not especially great. The ones who are likely to buy this box would have heard of the majority of these songs by now, but this collection will gives the opportunity to finally hear songs like "Opinion" or "Old Age" with the same quality as their most popular songs.

Hm, I could have said that with less words, but I'm too lazy..

-- Jordan (jordan...), September 9th, 2004 8:50 AM. (Jordan) (later)

I just wanted to make sure people knew I wasn't clowning, and that it was more of a "ha ha that's kind of ironic" type thing cuz there really were Nirvana songs in DGCFAD.

well, every nirvana fan i've known since forver is aware of this. but maybe this just says more about my friends being geeks & guitar jerks than anything else.

Nirvana "With The Lights Out"
Album Description
81 tracks are included on the box of which 68 have never been previously issued. Material for the CD’s spans the band’s entire history from their inception and includes demos, outtakes and live recordings. The DVD shows never seen before footage of the band at rehearsals, recording studios and live shows.

Audio CD (November 23, 2004)
Number of Discs: 4

Still no track listing up, but iTunes currently has an acoustic version of "Lithium" from the set available for download.

We had joy, we had fun?

Crap album cover too.

I'd say it's worth $50 to me just to have it all in one place, plus I want that DVD. Out of the ones I have heard, some I have on an 8 year old cassette dub, most not at all anymore. I just won't buy a PS2 game or whatever else I'd otherwise piss away $50 on this month.

My money is on seeing it as the second disc of a "Deluxe Edition" (ala "What's Going On" & "Catch A Fire") sometime in the next couple of years.

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/ume/nbx/boxsettrailer.asx
http://boss.streamos.com/qtime/ume/nbx/boxsettrailer.mov
http://boss.streamos.com/real/ume/nbx/boxsettrailer.ram

This makes me pretty excited, its hyperbole aside ("the last great rock band" my ass). Kurt playing drums on "Seasons in the Sun," yow!

What, start 'em young?

yes, but it's the "we had arsenal on the run" version.

http://thestranger.com/2004-11-18/music4.html

Like the Beatles, Nirvana has been so thoroughly bootlegged that I'm not really sure what is useful about this release other than the DVD. I mean, how many hard core fans haven't bothered to pick up the bootlegs via trading circles or Bit Torrent over the past three years. The extra three years it took to deliver this set probably cost 100,000 in sales--at least that many people, probably more, got all these tracks in comparable quality for free. Wake up, record labels.

Advantageously for me, perhaps, while I consider myself something of a fan I never shelled out for the bootlegs (file searching, that I could have done, but I was downloading other things). So in respects, this set sounds perfect for the likes of me!

I don't think you can really blame Nirvana for releasing these tracks. "You can't sell that music, we already bought a shoddier version off those guys who bootlegged you". That doesn't make sense. I love bootlegs but come on, these guys aren't exactly Robin Hood, y'know?

(e.g. Beatles Anthology)

And the Sex Pistols where the tracks had actually been released on 'semi-legal' albums...

Still, record companies and artists should hold an advantage--while the recordings may have leaked over the years, we're still at a point where a beautiful booklet/liners can make a difference to a buyer. Personal photos and effects create value that give the labels a competitive advantage over the bootleggers; again, I don't see this as a lasting advantage, but it's current enough that it should be properly leveraged.

Yeah, I was about to say -- Kiss the Stone isn't around any more, are they?

i know it's out there

Around the third or fourth time the set was being announced as delayed, around summer 2002, was when I decided to make my own boxed set by downloading as much of the Outcesticide tracks, Peel Sessions, Rio Sessions, etc, as I could find and putting them onto 3 CD's. I find it downright lame that Krist Novoselic claimed he had access to such fantastic music when it was all just the same stuff the fans have heard already. So come November 23rd, I'll be spending my money on the 8 songs I've never heard, at least 4 of which I'm sure sound are in shit quality, and the DVD.

For fuck's sake!

Actually, what pisses ME off is that this thing apparently doesn't include the finished version of "You Know You're Right" (instead, just a demo). I mean, how fucking annoying is THAT? I still refuse to buy that stupid greatest hits cd.

I own one of course.

Incidentally, has anyone else noticed bootlegs are all color copies or epson print-outs these days? I miss the glorious days of high quality $20 bootlegs just before Napster came out.

I might buy that Greatest Hits thing instead.

got the box for Xmas.

so so good.

Kurt was amazing. He really was. What a fun guy. I just love the Bleach-era stuff -- he had such great control over his voice.

Best white-boy screamer since Lennon. I suppose i should append that statement with a "...maaaaaan". But whatever. It's so fuckin' true.

I love that first disc on the box. 'White lace & strange', 'anerexorcist', etc. ... that IS the Nirvana I fell in love with.

that's the Nirvana that ruled my world when I saw them in 1990 with Tad at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor.

Heavy fuckin' metal.

god bless kurt. rock and roll

I didn't realize that Anthony Kiedis and Andy Kaufman were the other two guys in Nirvana.

I only wish that that was really Tom Waits.

"You called me a vagina? How dare you!"

Working through it..

Played about a third of the DVD yesterday.

does any other of do re mi even exist?

I'm only aware of the bedroom demo. It was probably written too soon before their feb 94 shows for any other demos let alone a full band version.

I'd quite like a disc of songs not on any of the four studio albums, not particularly interested in alternate takes or demos or what have you. Does such a thing exist?

Not really, all of the b-side and non-album tracks are piled in with the alternate takes and demos on the With the Lights Out box, they've never really had a single disc non-album comp. Some of the Outcesticide bootlegs might get you closer, but a lot of those are live tracks, not necessarily b-side stuff.

BEANS BEANS BEANS, JACKIE ATE SOME BEANS

NAKED NAKED NAKED, HE WAS SITTING CROSS-LEGGED

I'd quite like a disc of songs not on any of the four studio albums, not particularly interested in alternate takes or demos or what have you. Does such a thing exist?

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:59 AM (54 minutes ago)

Haha, I think you've answered your own question here! Incesticide is precisely what you're referring to and is not a studio album.

Yeah I knew that, kind of wishing for Incesticide II really! There seems to be enough material knocking around.

Oh sorry, I thought you didn't know that because you said four studio albums (they only had three: Bleach / Nevermind / In Utero).

is there actually much material left that isn't on those four albums?

Blandest is pretty great. Why wasn't that on Incesticide?

it also has maybe the single best Nirvana lyric (and it's the chorus!): "I need you around to remind me what not to become"

Oh sorry, I thought you didn't know that because you said four studio albums (they only had three: Bleach / Nevermind / In Utero).

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli)

My fault for not having having stringent definitions; in my head Incesticide is a studio album because it's a collection of songs that were recorded in a studio.

is there actually much material left that isn't on those four albums?

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.),

Glancing through the tracklist of the box I can see a decent album's worth of extra studio recordings (not necessarily Cobain compositions, mind).

Corpse Cobain more profitable than ever.

What, are there new unreleased recordings or something?

Just tired of this new doc and sites posting clips of home videos and the whole necromarketing going on.

Adam Bruneau wrote this on thread Used to love it, had to 'kill' it... on board I Love Music on Jul 18, 2001
Years after having dismissed grunge I happened upon a very cheap copy of Nirvana's "Nevermind" in a used CD shop and it's far from as spectacular as I used to think it was. In fact, I could barely finish side 2.

If that's real then in the 14 years that have passed I think it rules again like I did when I was in middle school when it came out. I even did a cover last year of "On a Plain":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60zZg3JbOMA

Oh, ok cool. I just wasn't sure if this was your shtick all along or what. To be fair, Nevermind probably didn't sound that good in 2001.

you were prob listening to a buncha shit.

Hah I was really punk rock at that time so I probably thought it was too corporate.

It kinda still is production wise but it stands out more now, it has a more unique sound without all those. Around that time it seemed like that production style was all over the kind of bad rock radio you would hear in a Footlocker or sports store. The songs are still killer though, the lyrics in "Underneath the Bridge" are a huge highlight for me now. Yeah excuse the younger me I was probably trying hard to seem cool.

watched the documentary last night. there's a part in the middle that's just 15 minutes of kurt/courtney home video clips. it's like watching gummo or something... kind of entertaining.

i'd give it a 7/10 BNM

Morbius, I was indeed listening to a bunch of shit.

LOL me too

Nevermind probably didn't sound that good in 2001.

the charles cross book came out in 2001.

For me they seemed boring between 1996-1998, but outside of that duration they sounded pretty neat.

have we ever had a nirvana poll, or are we set to?

if you were listening to a CD I'm not surprised you didn't enjoy side 2 tbf

?

Lol

OIC

have we ever had a nirvana poll, or are we set to?

― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, May 1, 2015 6:00 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

65. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
66. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
67. Yo La Tengo/Dump - Clemenza
68. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
69. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
71. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds

Looks like there is one coming up in the queue.

OK, so they are putting out previously unreleased recordings to coincide with the film.

http://pitchfork.com/news/59469-new-kurt-cobain-album-to-be-released-this-summer-according-to-montage-of-heck-director/