Gwen Stefani - "What You Waiting For"

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(first single from solo album)

starts off with a ballad-y piano intro and then goes into a bouncy europop thing. on first listen the line "take a chance you stupid ho" kind of came out of nowhere, but most of the lyrics are dreadful popstar meta stuff ("look at your watch now/you're still a superhot female/you've got your million dollar contract/and they're all waiting for your hot track"). the best part is the bridge, which reminds me of the bridge from "Spiderwebs".

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

is this the track she made with new order? i am looking forward to this record.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

that lyric is icky

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Absolutely brilliant.

― edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"waiting in line, position 3"

come on, come on

― Magic City (ano ano), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Better than anything No Doubt ever did with the exception of "Bathwater".

(NB. this is possible overreaction. I have only listened to it six times)

― edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not a big ND fan but at least half their singles are better than this.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"Bathwater" is the shit, though.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

she's working with new order on this new record? now i'm even more excited!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone got an mp3?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

On a tangent, why was "Return Of Saturn" such a comparative flop when it has "Bathwater" and "New", their two best singles, on it?

― edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

their best single is hella good!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

it was a flop because she dyed her hair pink. when she went back to blonde she was famous again.

(x-post)

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

No way. "Hella Good" is like fourth. "Sunday Morning" is hella underrated.

― edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

edward o, you and I are in some sort of mindmeld, at least on the subject of No Doubt singles, if not the relative worth of Gwen's solo single.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP. SURRENDER TO EUROPOP.

― edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

stop that.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

their best single is "underneath it all" by lightyears

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

definitely the best video!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

that's the one where they're biking around magical rainbow jamaicaland and then she's dancing around on the bed right? or did i dream that?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

JESS IS ON THE OMENY

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Damiany.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

slocki: you are correct

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah that's pretty fine too. but the hella good video is also great, it's all black&white watersports and stuff right?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

right jess?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

right?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not even sure if i LIKE no doubt! i still think all the early singles are pretty bad.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

but the hella good video is also great, it's all black&white watersports and stuff right?

"Hella Good" is far and away the worst thing they ever did. and the video is "Waterworld" styled garbage (and the EXPLOITED sticker on the boombox made we want to kill seventeen innocent bystanders).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

come on it rules!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

why does it make you angry when artists you don't like like the artists you do?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

why does it make you angry when artists you don't like like the artists you do?

Appropriated coolness. They're signifying some sort've alleigance with the Exploited, when in fact -- they've become just another silly, shitty pop/poop band.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

haha poop band! alex i love you

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

are there alex in nyc-type literature fans who get furious at inappropriate allusions to chaucer and stuff?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://punkpaper.propagande.org/Papers/exploited09.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

alex what would you do if gwen stefani just pasted her own name and album title at the top and used that image as the cover of her new lp?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd be upset.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

do you think maybe Gwen is just really cleverly and likes the idea of EXPLOITING a band called THE EXPLOITED?

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

cleverly=clever, obv.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they kind of asked for it!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

gygax thinks No Doubt INVENTED ska!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hey Baby" is far worse than "Hella Good".

At least "Hella Good" has catchiness mixed with the annoyingness.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Sunday, 26 September 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

This is where I again take the opportunity to pass on talking about my gwen stefani dream.
-- Darcus How? (nordicskill...), January 15th, 2004.

i'm sure it's no worse than my kelly osbourne dream
-- the surface noise (electricsoun...), January 15th, 2004.

dude you wanked to gwen stefani, just admit it
-- fiddo centington (dubplatestyl...), January 15th, 2004.

I didn't say "wank".

I said "dream".

-- Darcus How? (nordicskill...), January

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone else with me here on hella good being a great fucking song?! and amazingly fun to dance to? it sounds so good in the club!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

It is.

Oh, and s1ocki, if I had a copy of this song, would you want me to gmail it to you?

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

if you did i would i would i would!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

you know what song from rocksteady was really good and never released as a single? "making out"!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(this reference only will make sense to 5 people on here)
Gwen should do a cover of "Travel Girl" like NOW!

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I agree with Jess that "Underneath It All," is part of why I'm realizing these guys are almost kind of overrated now, oddly enough.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"Simple Kind of Life" and "Excuse Me Mr." are also really good.

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got Rock Steady and I think my fave track of there's is "Don't Let Me Down."

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i will admit that they have grown with leaps and bounds on each record.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

*cough* *cought* *cough*

― {Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Everybody is anticipating [Gwen's CD], and it's everything they think it's going to be. It's myself, Andre 3000, Nellee Hooper and Linda Perry [producing]. It's almost like an '80s mixtape. We go back to some electro-pop, to some breakdance/b-boy stuff, then it goes into stuff like the Cure, then kind of alternative, like the Pretenders.

― {Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

can we now admit that american ska is the worst music ever?

xpost: omg linda perry and nellee hooper all is lost

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

haha... this crossfaded straight into 'Bel Bev Devoe - Poison' on my playlist, and I didn't catch that the song had changed for about ten seconds. I thought to myself "that's a strange and fairly long sample ... but I LIKE it."

― {Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Sunday, 26 September 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i haven't heard it yet, but the title is horrible, as are the posted lyrics.

come on, who is she trying to be now?

― reo, Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

are there alex in nyc-type literature fans who get furious at inappropriate allusions to chaucer and stuff?

-- s1ocki (slytus...) (webmail), September 25th, 2004 8:22 PM. (slutsky) (later) (link)

hahaha

seriously, i would've figured alex would like "hella good"! that song rocks something fierce

but yeah "underneath it all" is ace

i don't know the early singles save for "just a girl" or whatever, which is ok

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i had a prejudice against ND for a long time because i find 3rd wave ska totally apalling as a rule, and identified them with that. were they ever really a ska band though?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

they came close enough, i think

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

it wasn't until rock steady that i started to have any real affection for them (though i liked a couple singles)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

they're to be admired for embracing contemporary trends in r&b, i think, and not staying in that icky retro ska shit-ghetto

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

they jumped the dancehall bandwagon at pretty much the exact right time too

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Happily I have a pure unalloyed hate that has never wavered. I just think Ms. Stefani is a flat out TERRIBLE singer. Bandwagon jumping/embracing trends means nothing if the sow's ear is resistant to silk purse treatment.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

she's an occasionally charismatic but pretty thin singer, fortunately modern technology can really make a lot of difference.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"pure unalloyed hate"?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

kylie and madonna aren't great singers either

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

unalloyed with even the tiniest impurity of LOVE (xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

kylie and madonna aren't great singers either

Something about Gwen's tone gets me where these other two I can readily live with. I wouldn't call it adenoidal because I'm not sure of that being the best term, but it's like a trebly bladder being squashed by a skeletal hand. I like Britney's singing better, god help me (probably because whatever technology is working there actually works from time to occasional time).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

is it mostly stefani that you are hating of in the no doubt music band?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

fair enough, ned

i think the best ND songs make good use of her limited voice, or at least it doesn't stop me from digging the songs

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a big part of it, Mr. Slocki (this also explains my screaming hatred of her on the Moby single and that horrid collaboration with Eve, who is utterly utterly boring to me outside of maybe one song at most, making said duet a true pain). That said I'm ultimately not too fond of Rock Steady's singles in and of themselves either.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I alone in thinking "Don't Speak" is their best single? I really hated it when it was on MTV and VH1 every fifteen minutes (and they were SELLOUTS etc.), but with a few year's space it's a great ballad.

But I think 12 or 13 songs off their singles comp are good or great (ie almost everything after they stopped being a ska band), so maybe I'm just warped.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

they are the hall and oates of the new century

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't go for that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, no can do amst.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ugh i feel so dirty now

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 September 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(Well, so do I, but it was the first thing that came to mind.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously, i would've figured alex would like "hella good"! that song rocks something fierce

Oh do verily please giveth me one huge-ass break, would ya mind?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 September 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i woulda thought so too! seriously, i'm not baiting you alex, i really would've

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like Hella Good and Don't Speak, btw.

And yes the video for Hella Good is all b&w Waterworld jet-ski action through the hull of abandoned freight ships.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Don't Speak" is great!! i'm always so happy everytime that type of power-ballad refuses to die out

― jones (actual), Sunday, 26 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I like every single No Doubt single. I can' think of one I dislike, actually.

Poor Gwen, she really can't sing.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Sunday, 26 September 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

she doing pretty good for someone who can't! I don't see how she's poor (in any sense).

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 26 September 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

This song is just okay.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm kinda disappointed that there hasn't been a duet with Gavin yet. Carey once saw her at a Fall show. You KNOW hubby dragged her to that one!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 26 September 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

When she sings live she is almost invariably out of tune (you can really hear this when they do "Don't Speak"). Vocally, she has this quality in her voice that sounds a little bit like the worst aspects of Nelly Furtado, Brintey Spears and Ashlee Simpson, only SOMEHOW it all comes together and ends up not being horrifying.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Sunday, 26 September 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Even "Bathwater" and "Trapped In A Box," Dan?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 26 September 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"Bathwater" is pretty much perfectly suited for her voice; she would have to try to sing that out of tune. "Trapped In A Box" is not coming to mind at the moment so I can't say about that one.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Sunday, 26 September 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

er, I meant that in response to your liking all their singles. I couldn't identify an out of tune (but not alleycat-like) voice to save my life.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 26 September 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Bathwater" is possibly the best song they've ever released.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Sunday, 26 September 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

er, I meant that in response to your liking all their singles. I couldn't identify an out of tune (but not alleycat-like) voice to save my life.

-- miloauckerman (suspectdevic...) (webmail), September 26th, 2004 3:56 PM. (miloauckerman) (later) (link)

yes, you could

i hope

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't know if I could (unless it's astoundingly bad, like a recording of myself singing).

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 26 September 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

slocki otm about "hella good," - produced by the neptunes, no?

there's not nearly enough love for "simple kind of life" on this thread

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 26 September 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah it was the neps!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 26 September 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

produced by Nellee Hooper, Chad and Pharrell only co-wrote it.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh really?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, it's weird. I didn't even realize it until I looked at the liner notes.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

is nellee hooper a guy or a gal?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Monday, 27 September 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

a hermaphrodite.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

She does this weird vibrato cooing thing at one point that reminds me of Kate Pierson and/or Cindy Wilson (I have no idea who does what) in "Rock Lobster"!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 October 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Gwen Stefani, that is.

In this song.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 October 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

it sounds like the bronski beat, the chorus does

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 22 October 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Worst single of 2004. And that video - ugh. Man, I'd love to hit her in the face with a claw hammer

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 22 October 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's great

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 22 October 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

jaymc otm about the 'Rock Lobster' thing

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 22 October 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pleased by how this thread appears to be about all aspects of No Doubt rather than the single. Which its terrible beyond imagining, and oh my god I can't believe I just watched the extended video (with two mintes of her suffering writers block before the song starts).

The fascinating thing about the video (apart from the fact that it's as much a train wreck as the song) is that the director appears to have thrown in a single reference to Jan Swankmajer's barktastic version of Alice along with the more usual stuff. That, and Gwen's embroidered vagina.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

She sounds really, really good on this.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm. Well the Sox won the series so I suppose anything is possible.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you all talking about that song that sounds like Toni Basil? I heard it for the first time today, I think it's probably the greatest thing I've heard in my life. Or at least this year. Except for Kelis/Andre 3000's Millionaire and Robbie Williams' Radio.
No Doubt had a superb run of singles didn't they? I'll have to get the Best Of comp.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Removing the anti-Britney caveat, Ned is otm. When do I get to run the little bitch over and over and over in a monster truck named Bigfoot the Mighty Muscle Machine? I mean seriously, fuck this irritatingly-voiced purveyor of anaemic, try-hard-fail-harder piss-weak Europop bullshit, her glue-and-cum assembled 'Kawai' video and the white rabbit who rode on in her.

Fuck you, Miss Stefaneeeeeeeeeeeeee!

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm quite shocked by that! i'm surprised people hate her voice so much, if this was Girls Aloud everyone would be creaming themselves.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, hello, first off, GA have better voices and second, even I can admit that 'The Show' is better. Hell, 'Feel-Good Time' did this better than either of the aforementioned.

Incidentally, my fave No Doubt tracks (pretty good going for a band I normally couldn't care about one way or the other) were 'Hella Good' and the rather stripped-down Dust Brothers mix of 'Simple Kind Of Life'.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

ann from the tyde is her keyboardist. omg wtf.

― doomie x, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think GA do have better voices - they've always seemed very mediocre and ordinary to me. granted you may prefer that to Stefani's more 'extreme' characterised style but that's a personal call. i like 'The Show' but i think i like 'What You Waitin' For's drive more - all it needs is that little hook from Tomcraft's 'Loneliness' and it'd be perfect (but i'm pretty much saying that about every song lately haha)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Wendy and Lisa are on the album.

Anyways, the voice issue is specific to not only 'WYWF?' but recent No Doubt singles. Contrary to Ned, her spot on 'Let Me Blow Ya Mind', par exemple, is very good, as she's got the leash on and going with the hooky simplicity of the track. This noobie right here, this is Gwen trying to overpower something that thinks it's far more powerful and driving than it really is and naturally, it all congeals into a neat flaming little shit. This is also seriously bettered by Princess Superstar's 'NYC Cunt' - on all levels (including thematically).

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the video. I absolutely love it. (It's Alice in Wonderland, I cannot help myself.) I am so ashamed of this.

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a dense track and a bit chaotic/muddled at times but that doesn't stop me loving Kish Kash. going to be very difficult for anyone to convince me that 'The Show' or whatever is MORE powerful/power better placed.

why be ashamed of loving the video?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm ashamed that I love anything with Alice in Wonderland references. Even that Tom Petty track.

I'd like to hear the track without the video to distract me.

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i think this is actually a rare case of a good video not having so much influence on my view of the track which is encouraging.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

May you be eaten by a sludgy zombie.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"Densely layered", eh? Gwen should have actually courted Japanese producers instead of their teenage girls. The only densely layered thing about it is her hair.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

well that applies to a lot of your faves too surely?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Most of my faves are European or American.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, when I think of who could have done this better, Will Orbit, Cornelius, Tomonori of Plus-Tech Squeeze Box, Xenomania, Bloodshy & Avant, The Jaxx, Alex G & Riprock, Jin Yoshida of Salon Music, 80s Prince and the dude who produced 'Brave New Girl' all come to mind, and that's only 3 Japanaese producers out of 10 outfits mentioned.

BTW, that zombie comment was to Kate.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Why should I be eaten by a Zombie for loving Alice in Wonderland?

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Cornelius?!

the production is very good, it's got the right power, fits with modern Euro tronik pop surprisingly well (it really smacks of Tomcraft to me) - who actually did produce it?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the video. I absolutely love it. (It's Alice in Wonderland, I cannot help myself.) *I am so ashamed of this.*
-- Two-Headed Zombie With No Face

And Steve, download 'Ball-In Kick Off' already.

(Nellee Hooper behind the boards btw)

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, d/l 'Magoo Opening', '2010', 'Volunteer Apeman (Disco)', 69/96's 'Untitled Track 96' or whatever who's sharing will call it, the remix of Takako Minekawa's 'Milk Rock' and 'Another View Point'.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

are you saying Cornelius has made Tomcraft-esque pop tracks?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, not exactly, BUT a) I don't hear much Tomcraft in this anyway, b) he's capable, although not necessarily so in his current elder statesman phase and c) he's gone through the various elements of 'WYWF?'s backing multiple times on different songs anyway.

Mind you, my other point is that the song only *thinks* it's powerful, when really, it's just noisy to the point where it's uninteresting and hence, meaningless.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

And that there are a fair few superior, driving, bouncy, insane technopop numbers on this earth (not to mention far less irritating - more I consider it, the less GA or Dannii Minogue could rescue this anyway - practically everything about it is wrong).

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

we could not be more polarised here (bout time we strongly disagreed on something tho)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, yeah. I guess it all comes down to the fact that she ruined The Bootyshake. I bet you 50 quid Alice can Bootyshake better and I'll raise you 100 to see if the Queen of Hearts can do it better than both.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

EAT ME

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait till you see/hear Harajuku Girls. If WYWF left you in doubt (it didn't I know), then HG will push you over the edge. I don't think I've heard a more horrendous vocal delivery this year.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I am going into my cave, I'm going to go into my cave and mind my power animal, I- GWEN STEFANEE HAS EATEN MY POWER KOALA!

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait till you see/hear Harajuku Girls

Gwen's turned into Momus?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

EAT ME

― Momusgwen Stefaneeeeee (Barima), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Lemme get the Chianti...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, this isn't her paean to Harajuku Girls, there's another one on the way? Jebus. I'm annoyed because I've got the bridge ("osaka tokyo") stuck in my head. It's actually not terrible. But the rest of the song is. The best thing about her delivery of the first few lines "Like a cat in heat, stuck in a moving car / A scary conversation, shut my eyes, can't find the brake" is that it completely obscures them - the first few times I heard it, I thought she was singing in Japanese.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Jacques Lu Cont remix is KILLING it.
Find it if you can.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=965F54174871705D9AE8FA43C344268C

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

oh shit, that's awesome

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah so I'm listening to the remix basically over and over again.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 14 November 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

that remix is really good; this song isnt' the one Sumner and Hook worked on, is it? the synths sounds like fucking New Order

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The remix sounds like Getting Away With it, ALOT. no probs there obviously.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

*wonderful* remix. thanks djdee.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No prob. Ronan, what is "Getting Away With It"? The only song I know by that title is by En Motion and it doesn't really sound like it to me...

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume Ronan means the Electronic single of that name.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i watched her play this song on the american music awards, awful, but maybe i was just distracted by the trailer park chic.

― keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

OK so I''ve finally heard this song and it's utterly bonkers. I really love it, but I have no idea what Gwen is thinking. It seems very unlike her.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Rockism, anyone?

― JoB (JoB), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

god i luv that remix

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The last 30 seconds of the remix sound like the end of "Hyperballad"!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

why am i having trouble getting into this remix

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i might be malfunctioning!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

dance with a person of whatever gender you prefer to it and then when those big fat synths land on top kiss them - should work!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll try that tonight!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Bits of the remix remind me of "Star Guitar" as well as "Hyperballad" actually - not quite hearing that much "Getting Away With It" - those synthy washes sound like they'd date from a few years before Electronic to me. That said, I still prefer the album version by miles.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck, how classic is this?! And I never even liked No Doubt ever.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

the link to that remix didn't work for me

i heard the non-remix single a few days ago, i thought it was ... ok.

― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I would just like to reiterate:

TAKE A CHANCE, YOU STUPID HO

One of the best singles of the year.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I fully expect the album to be just as magnificent - I'm actually really looking forward to it!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Hooray!

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Does she still sound like a helium-inhaling gopher though? I haven't even dared touch the remix for this reason.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The remix is so so much better.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone gmail me that remix please?

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Same here, please...but to my other address, [email protected]? Thanks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The part I think sounds like Electronic is the sort of chimes in the intro. However for a long time I couldn't decide what PSB track it reminded me of so perhaps I've got it wrong. I am going to play Electronic now and see.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Shit, that remix is *great*. Those huge dramatic synth washes are pretty seductive.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, the remix is basically the greatest thing ever.

slocki, didn't i gmail it to you?

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

delivery on the verse total hash pipe rip

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I just sent this remix to someone and they said exactly the same thing.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

My wife said the same thing on Thursday.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I like this song too, and ditto the not being too impressed with No Doubt's previous output (excepting Hella Good) but this is just hitting me totally out of left field in that good-weird way.

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

THIS ALBUM IS SO BLISTERINGLY BAD. SHE EVEN MANAGES TO RUIN A TRACK BY JAM AND LEWIS. GOD THIS SUCKS SHES AN IDIOT.

― big chaki (chaki), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

would she have been paid for having an ipod in the filmclip to this song?

― gem (trisk), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The remix is one of my favorite songs of the year.

The melody to hash pipe was bothering me forever since I don't really listen to weezer or like them but I knew i'd heard it before and I thought I was going to have to stick a drill bit into my brain in order to keep from struggling with where that melody came from.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, the link expired.

Can anyone put it up again?

― papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I can Gmail it to anyone who still needs it.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

cool, can you send it to me at katealice.obrien [at] gmail.com?

― papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate, I tried, but Gmail is acting up. Not sure if it was sent or not -- I'll try again later.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=D4C15CA766225109E253774947D44A37

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Shower me w/ thanks plz.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to :)

Thanks Jay for trying and thanks djdee for suceeding.

― papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

danke

― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

a
(thanks)
shower...
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― youngn (ndeyoung), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

magic kingdom was the first i heard of them but hte first album i sthe best and has at east 6 somngs that coulda been singles.
"new" and single life" were brilliant but didn't sell,that box-set was gr8

― gwenboy, Monday, 22 November 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I've got the remix yet? [email protected] if anyone could -- thanks much!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoops, cancel that, jaymc is sending me a copy. Rah!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned -- I had the same problem sending as I did with Kate -- not sure why, since I was able to send it to my brother the other day. Anyway, djdee just posted it a few posts back!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys made teh baby Alba cry.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Monday, 22 November 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow that remix is gorgeous!

The album is out today right? I'm so going to get it. This is the surprise of the year for me - I'd always had time for a few No Doubt songs here and there but never come close to buying any of their stuff, and now suddenly this magnificence!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

*sob*

The thread for gmail offers and requests

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd do her backing dancers.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, while we're on that subject, i am in madly in love with one of the backing dancers for Michael Gray

this JLC remix of Gwen is grand

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

JLC in channelling Braxe and A Flock Of Seagulls shockah

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

They made her sing "Take a chance you stupid crow" on the MTV Europe awards.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope her backing dancers were dressed as crows

altho that might shed disturbing new light on barima's...'preferences'

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? I had the TV on mute while deciding which order I'd like the dancers in.

x-post

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I play dese hos like crows. Mind you, Ste, I've never watched The Wiz with an erection and I'm not gonna start now.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

For that I thank you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

No need to thank me. Sidney Lumet knew how to craft one fuckshit-disturbing movie. And Steve knows how to undermine perfectly innocent sexual fantasies about funky attractive Japanese girls in fluffy dresses. It's the circle of life.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

And now, Wheel Of Fortune...

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"you stupid crow"! haha!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

this is really loathsome. the remix is good except for the parts with her voice. I had totally come around on No Doubt too, and was looking forward to this album.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

i just remixed this if anybody is interested:

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=26EO0KNR122593435S3NLAHIC8

i kinda like the music i did but i dunno how well it fits.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Friday, 21 January 2005 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

for that small but influential community of Gwen-loving fans frustrated by Blizzard's server performance in World of Warcraft:

http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance.html

― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Friday, 21 January 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody else think this sounds just like Sparks?

― nash, Friday, 21 January 2005 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I found the 12" with the JLQ remix at gramaphone. I was so happy! I paid 11 bucks for it!!

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 21 January 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

deej? Boo!

― Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Friday, 21 January 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

Revive!

Why isn't ILM talking about the most annoying song I have ever heard in my life, so annoying that it makes "Hollaback Girl" sound like Selected Ambient Works Volume II?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

I caught this on Popworld at the weekend. Just embarrassing. I came round to Hollaback Girl eventually but this is in the My Humps league of badness.

― ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

This song is awesome. It goes beyond embarrassing straight into "FUCK YOU" territory.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

blurry

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody else think this sounds just like Sparks?
More like Weezer's "Hash Pipe," eh?

― Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

As always: what aweful lyrics. Music is great though.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

wow!! this is dogshit!!

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

― edward o (edwardo), Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:58 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark

― alan2dyk (some dude), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)

chaki turned out to be otm there.

― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:31 (fourteen years ago)

Naw, this album was mostly p dope.

― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Saturday, 8 October 2011 09:08 (fourteen years ago)

three years pass...

Still sounds great.

― jaymc, Monday, 27 July 2015 04:53 (ten years ago)

I found the 12" with the JLQ remix at gramaphone. I was so happy! I paid 11 bucks for it!!
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, January 21, 2005 3:43 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

aw! i would've been excited, too, if i were a dj in early 2005.

― jaymc, Monday, 27 July 2015 04:54 (ten years ago)

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