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The Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music Tisch School of the Arts, New York University
in association with Scratch Magazine, NYU African Heritage Month, and Shocklee Entertainment

presents

THE MAKING OF PUBLIC ENEMY'S IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS TO HOLD US BACK

An in-depth discussion event on the making of hip-hop's greatest album
FEBRUARY 25 & 26 2005

In 1988, Def Jam recording artists Public Enemy released their second album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back to commercial and critical acclaim. Driven by controversial anthems like Bring The Noise and Don't Believe The Hype, Nation boldly inaugurated the era of political hip-hop, transforming MCs Chuck D and Flavor Flav into musical superstars. With confrontational, hard-hitting lyrics and aggressive, visionary sound, Nation is widely commemorated as the greatest hip-hop album of all time. On February 25 and 26, The Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music at NYU will assemble original PE band members, producers and engineers with members of the original Def Jam executive team and the nation's leading journalists for a series of panel discussions on the making of It Takes a Nation of Millions. If you're nostalgic for political music or old school hip-hop - or if you just want a behind-the-scenes glimpse at how great records are produced - don't miss this once-in-a-lifetime event.


PARTICIPANTS
Bill Adler, Harry Allen, Jon Caramanica, Jeff Chang, Robert Christgau, Lisa Cortes, Chuck D, Glen E. Friedman, Nelson George, Vivien Goldman, Kelly Haley, Dave Harrington, Rod Hui, Charlotte Hunter, Alan Light, John Leland, Steve Loeb, Chairman Mao, Nick Sansano, Chris Shaw, Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee, Biff Warren and SPECIAL GUESTS

Produced by Jason King

FRIDAY FEBRUARY 25

INTRODUCTION and FILM SCREENING - 6-7:30 pm

PUBLIC ENEMY: LONDON CALLING
A rare screening of an in-progress documentary film on Public Enemy's UK tours featuring new and archival footage, directed by Lathan Hodge (2005)

CRITICS WEIGH IN - 7:45- 9:30 pm
A panel of top journalists and critics take you back to 1988 to discuss the historical impact of Public Enemy and the musical legacy of "Nation of Millions"
with Robert Christgau, Nelson George, Vivien Goldman, John Leland, Alan Light
moderated by Jon Caramanica

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SATURDAY FEBRUARY 26

THE DEF JAM & RUSH ARTS TEAM - 12-1:30 pm

Featuring members of the original creative staff behind the A&R, publicity, management and marketing of "Nation of Millions" and PE.
with Bill Adler, Lisa Cortes, Charlotte Hunter, Biff Warren and others
moderated by Kelly Haley

ON HIP-HOP AND POLITICAL ACTIVISM: A CONVERSATION WITH GLEN E. FRIEDMAN and JEFF CHANG - 1:45-3:00 pm

GLEN E. FRIEDMAN, author of Fuck You Heroes and The Idealist, photographed and designed the cover for "Nation of Millions" as well as P.E.'s first album. One of the most important photographers of his generation, he's also done definitive work with Black Flag, Ice-T, Fugazi, Beastie Boys, Minor Threat, Run-D.M.C, The original DogTown skateboarders, and many others.

Acclaimed author and activist JEFF CHANG is the author of the new book Can't Stop Won't Stop: The History of the Hip Hop Generation.

PRODUCING THE ALBUM - 3:30-5 pm
Featuring the original engineers, Greene Street studio owners and members of the famous Bomb Squad production team with Dave Harrington, Rod Hui, Steve Loeb, NickSansano, Chris Shaw, Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee moderated by Chairman Mao


REVOLUTIONARY VOICES - 6-8 pm
Members of the group and special guests reflect on their experiences. with Chuck D and special guests moderated by Harry Allen All events are held at Tischman Auditorium, NYU 40 Washington Square South, between McDougal and Sullivan


All events are free and open to the public
Seating is first come first served
Picture ID will be required to enter the building

For more information please contact +1 (212) 992 8405

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

is brigitte invited?

nattydroid, Friday, 4 February 2005 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

FUCK I'm gonna be in town the week before. FUCK.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're nostalgic for political music or old school hip-hop

Interesting turn of phrase.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

no kidding!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"inaugurated"

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:59 (nineteen years ago) link

goddamn that is one hell of a lineup though

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

will the "special guests" include Griff?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

o man maybe the S1W's will come out on stage first and do a routine!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I reading that right and there's no Flavor Flav? I MUST HAVE MY LAMPING IN THE COLD.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

for EACH PANEL!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

haha xpost (that too though!)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

flav might still be gettin' down with brigitte nielson in milan.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"special guests" . . . hmmm . . . some Beastie Boys, maybe?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

SOULJAH

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

haha Clinton!

no no wrong era

ELIJAH MUHAMMAD!!!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

doug williams, the redskins qb.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish i was able to make this. /understatement

mobb drake (djdee2005), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"we got a black quarterback, so step back!"

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Yoko Ono!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i will pay a shiny quarter to the reporter able to coax a juicy anti-tom brady quote outta harry allen.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link

god I am so tempted to fly out for this, it's pathetic

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

beat is for anthrax? scott ian?

xpost matos change your flight!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't! it's my birthday! plus I've got a hotel booked.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

haha xpost (that too though!)

Yeah, I was gonna say! Works all around!

Here is where I admit I did enjoy Chuck E.'s dismissals of this album in Stairway to Hell in offhand fashion (eg, comparing the Sex Pistols threatening to smash typewriters in "Did You No Wrong" with grabbing notebooks in "Don't Believe the Hype" and renaming it It Takes a Nation of Millions to Make Us Multiplatinum). Funniest bit, talking about "Bring the Noise" in the context of the Less Than Zero soundtrack:

"...finally, with Chuck D (who probably goes to Raiders games, sees the other team in a huddle and thinks they're saying racist things about him) whining about rock-crits who can't get enough of him and tough-mindedly if wrong-headedly plugging Anthrax and Farrakhan with bellowed subpoena-envy authority atop a screwily skewered shish-ka-bob sheet of sound, the Bobby Seale of hip-hop starts to demonstrate that he might not have a copy of Soul On Ice up his booty after all."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn. I'll be there the weekend before ... too ...

I am a fan of old-school rap ;...(

Site Admistrator (deangulberry), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, we gots futons. just call in sick to work or something. oh and if you're flying jetblue, changing a flight only costs $25.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

haha thirteen year old me would've DREAMED of something like this - "john leland? talking about public enemy? and i get to WATCH???"

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

JoAnne Chesimard

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, evidence as how the world has changed -- purchase and download the album at mp3.com now! (Can you imagine how much of an alien that would have made you sound, had you said it, back in 1988?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

not flying JetBlue for birthday. (I could easily get a JetBlue flight, though. I just have a lot of work to do.)

haha Herb Alpert!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

They should try and get a video link-up with Terminator X on his ostrich farm.

neil tacus (tacit), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Special guest star William F. Buckley!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah one thing i think chuck missed about this album is how much of a TOTAL PARTY ALBUM it is. ask john witherspoon!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

public enema!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

not even--"Reach the bourgeois and rock the boulevard," dude!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

TOTAL PARTY ALBUM

I'd have to agree -- hell, "Bring the Noise" was the first PE I heard and I remembered thinking, "Hey, this is all right!" And what a start to a song, goddamn.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh haha I thought you meant Chuck D, to which I was like, "wha?!" sorry about that.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Spike Lee needs to be a part of this, obv. (Can't this be broadcast live on C-Span or something?)

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i've told my 'def dance 89' story before right?

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I am such a geek that I am tempted to find the John Leland Spin column on "BTN" here in the office and retype and post it here.

maybe Spike's the special guest?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

no you haven't jb. do it.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got that column (which starts "A Valentine:") torn out of my copy from back in the day and stored around the house somewhere. (I'm sitting courtside at Clippers-Grizzlies right now. It's halftime. I love technology!)

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

INTERWEB I WUV MU

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I've got the Leland SPIN column right here. to that point, I think it might have been the best thing about music I had ever read.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe Tawana Brawley and Al Sharpton will be there too! (I once saw Public Enemy play a charity basketball game against local Memphis DJs. Chuck can't ball, but Terminator X was one big dude.)

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

it's just ridiculously great. so is his Q&A w/Chuck D (reprinted in that Raquel Cepeda anthology that just came out)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Leland in his prime = one of the ten best rock critics ever (GOD I'm pathetic)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Leland's other singles picks aside the column:

Heavy D and the Boyz - "Overweight Lover's in the House"
Hurby's Machine featuring Antionette - "I got an Attitude"
George Michael - "Hard Day"
Latee & D.J. Mark - "This Cuts got Flavor"
Kool Moe Dee - "How Ya Like Me Now"
Celtic Frost - "I Won't Dance"
Sweet Tee - "I Got da Feelin'"
Dinosaur Jr - "Show Me the Way"
Spoonie Gee - "All Shook Up"
Gladys Knight & the Pips - "Love Overboard"

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:24 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, I've never read this Leland piece, and in fact I don't think I've heard it referred to much! But clearly if you're all going on about it, it sounds like one of those Essential Reads. Celtic Frost too, eh?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Matos OTM

(In other news, back-to-back threes from J-WIll and Battier put Griz up 13, inspiring a CLippers timeout and "Whoomp There It Is" on the PA: "Tag Team, back again . . .)

(I luv hoops almost as much as PE)

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

it's not that great a story really - spring 89 i get to dj the 8th grade dance and decide to name it 'def dance 89' (specifically in tribute to the 'def jam tour' intro on nation), the school admin finds this troubling, not sure what 'def' means but worried that it might be derogatory to deaf people. LONG hassle between school admin, student govt, and a couple of sympathetic english teachers who were finally able to persuade them that "def" didn't mean "deaf", it meant something was dope or hype. anyhow the dance went off great, i played a TON of public enemy (cf. every other time i djed), good times.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

matos otm re: leland.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought someone might have put it up somewhere, but I googled some random sentences and nothing turns up.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

looking for it now

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My senior year in high school, the night Memphis elected its first black mayor, friends and I drove around the eastern burbs blasting *Nation* and stealing yard signs. Good times.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link

A year after the Leland article, for fans of the Griff dispute:
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/pe-law.php

PeterALopez, Friday, 4 February 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Chairman Mao

?!?!?!?!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Chairman Mao is a dj and member of Ego Trip. The organization which released Ego Trip's "Big Book of Rap Lists" and "Big Book of Racism" two good reads.

PeterALopez, Friday, 4 February 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

In response to:
http://ccmixter.org/contests/militiamix

%20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning (the Commercial Sampling License version)

http://noneinc.com/sound/
%20&ChuckDwithFineArtsMilitia&PublicEnemy-Meaning.mp3
ReadMe:
http://noneinc.com/sound/%20ReadMe/Meaning-ReadMe.txt

Parts:
01. (00:00-00:17) = Let's Just Say; No's Intro
02. (00:17-00:50) = CD's Contracted Consumer(+Plus) Explanation
03. (00:50-03:05) = Meaning (No's Eliminatory Reversal of Fortune)
04. (03:05-04:27) = (Going) 'BACK' (Rhymplundsamplin' with the Chuck)
05. (04:27-04:39) = Bought/Brought Noise Interlude +Boing+
06. (04:39-05:01) = Caught!? I'm my only witness...
07. (05:01-05:52) = Xeroxed Criminal Claims (Rip.Sample.Mash.Copy.Plunder.Lawyer.Litigate.Decision.L0053r)
08. (05:52-06:42) = Message from Allen Harry (Economic Securities of the First World Fortune Lecture)
09. (06:42-07:30) = Fear of an Economically Centered Decision Making Planet
10. (07:30-08:44) = Realizations All Around (Understand?)
11. (08:44-09:44) = Yo! Welcome to the Message to the Rebel Prophet Party Shutting Down the Channel Zero Night of Chaos Hype
12. (09:44-10:14) = Summary Explanation of the Culture of No's Meaning -Personal Determinism- ///./w////future plans/../:///

Yours in profit,
%20
Consumer Whore
Corporate Shill
Wannabee Cultural Chimera
Part time music fan

%20, Friday, 4 February 2005 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Chairman Jefferson Mao is a great guy with whom to go to Knicks games with. My wife also featured him as a "Hot Guy to Watch" or something in Seventeen Magazine back in 1992!

I'd probably lose one ball to see this.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

is chairman mao a maoist?

do i have the right to find his name kind of offensive?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Mao is his last name; his first name is Jeff. what's offensive about it, per se?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, already posted. never mind. sorry, I'm not looking very closely.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, his name is actually mao! ok, then it's kind of a silly joke. which is actually funny.

i was worried that he was some poker-faced political rapper who sincerely admired mao zedong.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

anyway i'm really curious to hear how this conference turns out. seems it could go either way.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone know if the god greg tate will be there?

ppp, Friday, 4 February 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

is someone gonna post the spin article? it would be much appreciated

Akiva, Friday, 4 February 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I will be there.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 4 February 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm definitely going.

C0L1N B--KETT, Friday, 4 February 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I can type up the Leland thing. I've got some time. Gimme a half hour or so..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Considering I live down the street, I'll be there. None of my friends in Clive School even heard about this.

greg ginn thought neubauten was bullshit, why don't you? (smile), Friday, 4 February 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

A VALENTINE

by John Leland

To get an idea of how good Public Enemy’s “Bring the Noise” (Def Jam / Columbia) is, it’s worth pulling the song apart. The record begins outside of music, as oratory, with a found voice saying “Too black, too strong. Too black, too strong.” This is both self-definition and a watchword, an explanation of the name Public Enemy and a challenge; the words are a declaration, not a criticism. Then the music comes in, fast and jarring, with staccato horns and a spiral scratching noise, as the rapper Flavor-Flav rephrases the opening credo, locating it within hip-hop’s tradition of modesty: “Yo Chuck man, let’s show ‘em we can do this/ Like Brutus/ ‘Cause we always knew this”. What follows now twists that tradition, now linked with that of political oratory, like nothing before.

Chuck D, Public Enemy’s main rapper, jumps from weighty to trivial concerns — from black pride to record reviews to Louis Farrakhan — with a dexterity and sense of purpose that ignore the gulfs crossed. Like Spoonie Gee’s classic “Love Rap,” which wanders from horniness to acerbity and back again without breaking stride, “Bring the Noise” mixes warmth with hostility in a surreal, volatile brew. “Bass!” (or, “Base!”), Chuck D begins, “How low can you go?” How low? “Death Row.” He leaves the ambivalence of the opening volley unresolved, piling up the layers of the wordplay: Is he talking frequency or cocaine, death row toughness or death row finality? (For that matter, is the name Public Enemy about the status of contemporary black youths or an evocation of James Brown’s “Public Enemy #1”) The punning remains this dense throughout the entire record, even insinuating itself into narrative asides: when Chuck D and and Flavor-Flav break to give their deejay, Terminator X, some room, Chuck D raps, “Time for me to exit/ Terminator X-it”. The strength with which he plays both sides of his puns, refusing to reduce them to a single meaning, helps Public Enemy over some of its rough spots.

After introducing himself as “the incredible/ Rhyme animal,” Chuck D ducks back out of hip-hop tradition, trusting his music and his partner to keep the party going; such is unique relationship between the two rappers in this crew. As Chuck D gets rolling, a street confrontation (“Five-O said freeze/ And I got numb/ Can I tell ‘em that I never really had a gun?”) tumbles precipitously, as fast as the very fast beats will carry it, into an endorsement: “Farrakhan’s a prophet/ and I think you ought to listen”. In last month’s SPIN, Chuck D explained his support for Farrakhan by saying, “I take a stand by any black leaders that take a stand and defend what they say and basically attack the American system”; the political sophistication of “Bring the Noise” never goes beyond this, never approached the song’s musical or verbal sophistication. “Watchu oughta do/ Follow for now”, Chuck D raps, offering more in the way of attitude than political content. If this were Phil Ochs and a more discursive musical time, we’d expect him to explain his affiliation. But in 1987, the statement, “Farrakhan’s a prophet/ And I think you oughta listen” is so uncharacteristically direct and specific, it’s bracing. For reference, try to imagine Springsteen or Mellencamp being this bald. Chuck D just drops his bomb and keeps going. The James Brown beat drives the rap along and the theme recedes, never to return; it’s simply an ad for Louis Farrakhan in the middle of a pop record. Imagine that.

The attitude, however, never recedes. Breaking a triple meter against the double meter of the drums — “Bring the Noise” is rich with adventurous polyrhythms and metrical asymmetry — Chuck D takes the fight to urban contemporary radio: “Radio stations I question their blackness they/ Call themselves black but we’ll see if they’ll play this”. This might seem an unfair exercise of self-righteousness, a forced issue of blackness, except that Public Enemy has the sales numbers to back up their gripe. Later, when Chuck D complains, with equal self-righteousness, “A magazine or two/ Is dissing me and dissing you,” the pettiness stands out against the heavy themes above. After all, this is the group that stakes its identity around being the public enemy.

But it is these outre juxtapositions that make “Bring the Noise” so powerful. The record isn’t merely unpredictable, it’s thorny. When Chuck D launches without prompting into an honor roll, he begins, “Beat is for Sonny Bono/ Beat is for Yoko Ono,” before getting to Run-D.M.C., Eric B., L.L. Cool J, and Anthrax. Yoko Ono? And like the weird fugue that it is, the song ends as it began, with Flavor-Flav ranting about Brutus, wondering what’s wrong with people who don’t like Public Enemy.

“Bring the Noise” is all this, puncuated and intensified by Flavor-Flav’s exhilarating cheerleading — and as great as the rapping is, the best parts of the record are still the instrumental breaks, when Terminator X crushes late-seventies style breaks and beats into a chorus that surges, “Turn it up/ Turn it up.” No lie: I’ve never heard anything like this before.

Me and Public Enemy have had our beefs. On “Bring the Noise,” they all but attack me by name. But that single sounds right now like one of the best things I’ve ever heard — as good as Parliament’s “Flash Light” or the Velvet Underground’s “I’m Waiting for the Man” or Dylan’s “Subterranean Homesick Blues” or James Brown’s “Get Up I Feel Like Being a Sex Machine.” Like those records, it sounds immediate more sprawling, contradictory, purposeful, and fun than anything else around it. As a hip-hop artifact, it’s probably as important as anything since Run-D.M.C.’s “Sucker MC’s,” but that seems the least of it.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

damn, that took longer than it should have. I'm really a shitty typist.

still strikes me as a great piece of writing. the thing that really comes through is the palpable wonder and excitement that PE engendered .. like Leland says, he'd never heard anything like this before. Kind of the sheer headiness of PE at that time, the sense of, "can they get away with this?" Especially mired at the end of two Reagan terms as we were.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Stormy. My God that brings it all back.

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 6 February 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Was anybody there tonight? The panel discussion was... ridiculous. I'll expound later, but Greg Tate just showed up and they let him be on the panel. It was awesome. I also got to bullshit one-on-one with Christgau for a couple minutes. He was actually really cool after I assured him I wasn't trying to get him to review my album haha.

Anyone going tomorrow? I'm "working" for it from 2:00 - 8:00 or something.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

*BUMP!*

Anyone planning on going?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Saturday, 26 February 2005 10:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd go if they spent even five minutes talking about sample clearance, but otherwise this looks/sounds/reads fucking ridiculous. Better to drop acid for the 20th of Locust Abortion Technician, or "read Satanic Bible with fucking grown" in honor of 20 years since Sodom's In the Sign of Evil.

Back to reality -- current Chuck musings from the PE web site:


Flavploitation?

Thanks to my man Mark Skillz this piece was re-edited because of some glaring grammatical errors, thanks ..the past few have been done on my palm pilot while on the run moving through Cannes , the MIDEM conference and a blizzard recording in Vienna Austria. funkruze1@hotmail.com has also offered and I will take them up on it...thanks again guys...had to get it out of my damn pocket though....

Flavploitation is the systematic one-sidedness of the production companies that are chosen by these big corporate entities. There hasn't been any change in Flavor at all, he's always been the same crazy cat from day one. No offense to his friend Bridgitte, but his TV potential has been there long before that pairing. Vh-1's choosing of this show "Strange Love", is a smack in the face of all else Flavor has done.

 The reality dragging of his personal life excesses and children is uncalled for. The meshing of his performance life with PE probably doesn't bode well with what the group stands for with its fam and followers. I hear that, but at the same time as the adults and gentlemen that we are, respect is gonna be there for ones personal space.

Choices are left up to the individual, and within reason anything said and done at this stage is pended upon this. P.E. is not a boys club. Years ago, with the Griff thing, there was a whole organizational dynamic that was a personal thing within the group that led to myself making decisions. From that point afterwards, I definitely spaced the situation out. But now with this situation I must at least comment because I see some trouble zones.

I stepped up to look at this as another test on the way things are. More than a few shows with Flavor were proposed with more of a stable upstanding profile, these ideas came from people of color with production companies. Those ideas were rejected with the premise that, Flav, didn't have what it took to star in a show by his damn self. Typical corp-whiteboy reaction as they actually thought it was Flav AND Bridgette that made that "Surreal Life" click. I'm bias, but on the real...Bridgette could've been anyone.

Now the trouble on this "Strange Love" show, (which they shot in a 10-14 day period, only to have myself to answer 6 months later about a re-run to some clueless tv soul about what they thought was current.) is that, there's a scene that I saw, of a short clip of  Flav in conflict with 3 of his kids and ex back in the hometown. Lord, I hope not. This has been a topic in barbershops and hair salons across Black America, which, is twice as sad, because that and topics launched by BET,UPN,and urban radio are fed to black people. Bread and circus shit that the masses of black folks flock to for news  while world events, politics, and issues of community concern are catagorized as either too deep, boring, or non- black if such a stupid thing exists.

All of this was a test, as I spent the greater part of last year trying to get "Son Of A Bush" out of office on national tv and radio, while black folk asked what I was up to, they were being pied-pipered into white male-boarded- corporate owned-urban media. All that, and as expected, it was the "Surreal Life" that got their attention, like Fruit Loops compared to Wheaties.

Still, it doesn't bode well if Flav is yelling at his kids and his ex. Already, black women are mixed on what they see, next they'll be pissed off. Also, during the recent year-end PE old school show in Chicago during a break, Flav made commentary about he and Bridgette and graphically made some inappropriate statements about what they did in bed. It was totally jarring and disrespectful especially to the large majority of black women in the audience that expected a breath of relief from PE after a prior 50 minute b*tch barrage from Too Short.

Now here's the clicker, there were black women who had came there, in some cases with their sons, some single mothers who paved thru the struggle of raising them. Peeps will let the Bridgette thing perhaps slide, but not the wild statements and what seems like a disrespect conflict on camera with his children and their mother. Last week, it was that same part of his family who went on Wendy Williams' program and launched the worst on- air diatribe ever directed at a father by his children.

It is here that I have to intervene and say and do something about this. I have spent many years maintaining the integrity and demanding the respect for our people. This, to me has and will never be measured by mere record sales or concert gates. In my prior conversation about this with Flav, he's still enamored with platinum sales and packed stadiums, and thinks that his tv profile will 'bring PE back' to that material status. I remind him that traveling to 53 countries whenever he wants to play music, and being 'free' to make and produce recordings that are heard with respect across the world transcend that simple commercial status. In his own words: "Being blind to the fact", has crippled his understanding of what's at stake. We have never fallen off, ..you cannot fall off of a capsizing society. A lotta cats benefit off flowing with the avalanche , so it appears they are in the mainstream of a river heading south. It's the perfect storm, and like a captain I've been taught to hold the course.

This is where a short term sugar high causes long term cancer. PE was nearly derailed by a Jewish incident in 1989, and the media blew it up as being wrong without tallying black people. Now in this "Strange Love" case the rewards are derogatorily swung as bait while never coming close to the measuring of the feeling of black people and other minority. It seems that the powers that be, and in this case, specifically television,the film industry,radio, the print industry and the humans that hover over the buttons of control have isolated the dna of racism, wove it into the amerikkkan drug of celebrity to wind up exploiting our characteristic instead of our character.

These pied pipers have used high science with low tools and it's a trip for the people who've been led into the river. I know for pure fact that there are more Black women in America than Jews, Christian Right and quiet as kept, some are one in the same,so this should be revered and respected equally. I cannot tell Flavor, a grown man what to do in this case, other than to warn him to guard himself against the long term effects that may be on the horizon ....


Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 26 February 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

**PE was nearly derailed by a Jewish incident in 1989, and the media blew it up as being wrong without tallying black people... I know for pure fact that there are more Black women in America than Jews**

:(

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 27 February 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I cannot tell Flavor, a grown man what to do in this case, other than to warn him to guard himself against the long term effects that may be on the horizon ....

ie, he won't be invited to a backslapping festival on the MARKETING and RECORD REVIEWS of It Takes a Million... Shucks.

Way to remain marginal for another ten years, Chuck.


Kikey von Oppressorwitz (Ian Christe), Sunday, 27 February 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i get the feeling chuck d doesn't like interracial dating much

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm bias, but on the real...Bridgette could've been anyone.

He's right about that.

djdee (djdee2005), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

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RussoEnt, Monday, 28 February 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I had a friend who insisted -- intentionally or not, i was never quite sure -- on referring to this album as It Takes a Nation of Millions to Believe the Hype.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the surprise? Chuck D has always been a racist.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 February 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It was weird though seeing Chuck D. with one of the Chess records guys on one of those PBS Scorsese produced blues shows that ran awhile back. Apparently Chuck let his love for those psychedelic electric Muddy and Wolf albums (subject of a thread awhile back) overcome his racist beliefs. I was sure he would have hated the Chess family as being Jewish exploiters of African-Americans, but there he was happily palling around with Leonard (or Phil?) Chess.

steve-k, Monday, 28 February 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I find it incredibly fucked up that Chuck D. has a band called Confrontation Camp. I mean, why even play with that imagery, especially in light of what he went through with Griff?

shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck D. has a band called Confrontation Camp

I'm more upset that it's just such a bad play on words.....though it's not quite as bad as REVOLVERLUTION, for which all parties concerned should be slapped with big, wet, smelly fish.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I was sure he would have hated the Chess family as being Jewish exploiters of African-Americans, but there he was happily palling around with Leonard (or Phil?) Chess.

Def Jam Records to thread

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 28 February 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh of course, which makes Chuck's anti-semitism even more infuriating. Rick Rubin and Beastie Boys are ok, but I'm gonna let Griff and my lyrics and Harry Allen tell a different story. This has always made liking PE a bit uncomfortable despite the excitement provided by Chuck's vocal timbre and the production and beats.

Steve-k (Steve K), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Driven by controversial anthems like Bring The Noise and Don't Believe The Hype, Nation boldly inaugurated the era of political hip-hop"

Can it really be called an "era"? Wouldn't "short-lived market trend" be more appropriate (at least if we're talking about the mainstream)?

Sorry, but the description is cheesy as fuck. It was obvious that this panel was going to be lame. What kind of self-respecting symposium tries to appeal to your sense of "nostalgia"?

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I bet the session with the Bomb Squad was worth checking out, as well as the one with Robert Christgau, Nelson George, Vivien Goldman, John Leland, Alan Light, and Greg Tate moderated by Jon Caramanica. I don't think any of them wrote the cheesy p.r. press sheet copy---that was probably just some NYU kid...

Steve-k (Steve K), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

What kind of self-respecting symposium tries to appeal to your sense of "nostalgia"?

right, things like the old new music seminar were so "self-respecting."

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:38 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the old new music seminar?

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, c'mon, The Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music Tisch School of the Arts, New York University.

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xpost - it's now called CMJ, chief.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link

anyway i would've liked to see the doc, didn't get around to it.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess you're right. I just find stuff like this depressingly empty, whether it's about "Nation of Millions" or "Sgt. Pepper's" or "A Love Supreme." I mean it's a really good album, but they make it sound like it's The Communist Manifesto.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

no one says you have to go!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:18 (nineteen years ago) link

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Sexmaniac, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

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This is still my favorite line.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
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two weeks pass...
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