Bassline/Bassline House etc

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a allready posted this on dissensus, but i wanted to put it here as well to elicit a greater/different response. i corrected the awful typing too

(prompted by getting a flyer today for a massive bassline house night at the adelphi in sheffield, maybe the adelphi is the new niche?!?!)

i thought i would start a thread on this. having moved up north (leeds) recently after a long break, i was extremely suprised to find out that the sound of the north is....essentially speed garage!

i was chatting to this kid from grimsby who was asking about grime, and he told me that he was into "Bassline". i was like, what the fucks bassline, and he just said "y'know, bassline house". he turned out to have about 1 gigs worth of mix cds and comps of what was essentially speed garage sped up a bit more. its a bit more ravey/bouncy and less soulful, but it is big! now i have seen numerous nights, people talking about it. but as far as i know such a term doesnt exist in the south?!

so what does antyone know about bassline house? whats the conenction with "niche" (some kid told me "its niche" when i asked him what he was playing)? the notorious sheffield club?!?!!?!

im intrigued
if anyone wants to hear more of this stuff, ive got this guys slsk username for starters.

ps its wicked obviously

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

This can only be a good thing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yousendit makes the world a more beautiful place.

JUST SAYING

DougD (DougD), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

or give us some artist names, compilation names, etc.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

'kid from grimsby who was asking about grime'

that's such a great line!! i love the sound of it

geeta (geeta), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm excited about this though. bassline is a good genre name! better than bassline house, which is almost as unwieldy of a compound genre title as electro-house

geeta (geeta), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

article all about it:

http://www.i-dj.co.uk/features/featurespage.php?ID=48

Robin Goad (rgoad), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Mantronix is great, yeah?

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

New school speed garage? Sign me the fuck up.

Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Please please please post some of this music somehow, ambrose.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha well whaddya know, this flyer says "ITS OFFICIAL THE FUTURE OF SPEED GARAGE HAS LANDED.....

BASS HEAVEN ALL NIGHTER 24 DJs, 9 HOURS, 2 ROOMS, 1 VENUE"


pinch yerselves, its 2005, not 1997!!!! and its still the future! awesome

ok as for names, i dont know anything ,but the big cheese seems to be studiobeatz records, which has a shop in sheffield. people from studiobeatz play leeds and sheffield, and hmv here in leeds has loads fo bassline that seems to be a on a studiobeatz label. this dj from studiobeatz is caled "naughty nick" whose name i see about a lot.

but apart from names and stuff, the only thing i got so far is some mix called "bomb the b lines", off the aforementioned person. seems liek theres one coming in every month. when that guy signs on to slsk, i will check some of the dj names.

bassline is a good name, but "bassline house" seems to be the omnipresent moniker.

i am trying to yousendit this album, but my record with yousend it is not very good (i never got it to work) and the zipped album is 50 mb so....

in the meantime maybe you can gte something out of this?

ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

ok heres the link:

bomb the b lines november 2004

ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 5 March 2005 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

sounds like a whole genre based off 'sugar is sweeter (armand van helden mix)'

phunktion, Saturday, 5 March 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha this stuff is fantastic!

djdee (djdee2005), Saturday, 5 March 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

ok i need to go down the market and get some more cds

ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 6 March 2005 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
btw niche does relate to the club. "masters of the bassline"!!!! damn right

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Revive Revive:

T2 Heartbroken seems to be breaking big on 1extra. Is his Bassline scene still going on -- i.e is Heartbroken going to be to Bassline what Pretty Green Eyes was to Scouse House?

Any info welcome!

byebyepride, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 09:32 (sixteen years ago) link

T2 & Jodie - Heartbroken (Remix): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YncTczvIhIo

Jamie Duggan & H20 - Wot We Gonna Do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3N8lTJkO3c&mode=related&search=

"Over The Heartache": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHHCKG3S_4w&mode=related&search=

Love the use of YouTube as just an audio channel :)

xpost I think it's still going on, lots of mix CDs from this year on slsk.

Groke, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Tons more on YouTube too but those are the best ones I found when byebyepride told me about this the other day.

Groke, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 09:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i love all those songs :)

the second one is v reminiscent of livin' joy's 'dreamer', catapulted into the 2-step age

lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 09:40 (sixteen years ago) link

bump.

I'm hearing 'no///' from the ILX massive!

byebyepride, Thursday, 21 June 2007 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link

This stuff sounds like sped-up 2 step over speed garage beats. 'Heartbroken' immediately reminds me of Jaimeson's 'True' but with the added bass sound and chopped vocals. It's good altho as usual I'd prefer the bass to be just heavier - think the bass was actually deeper on 'True' as it was on stuff by 187 Lockdown and Loop Da Loop (make it more like that, remixes at least).

Don't like the term 'bassline' tho because as with 'drum n' bass' it only tells part of the story, and the basslines just aren't quite big enough.

blueski, Thursday, 21 June 2007 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I like! (Anyone got any dj sets they can link?)

Tantrum The Cat, Thursday, 21 June 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

There was a Dissensus thread (called something like UKG vs UKG) I googled yesterday with links to a couple of sets on - when I got home I found my internet had broke though so I dunno if they're working links.

Groke, Thursday, 21 June 2007 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link

no///

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Tantrum, <A HREF="http://www.musicv2.com/artist/smiler___andre";>go here</A>. haven't tried 'em all out (i do love me some bassline, but after a while this stuff gets... exhausting), but i'd reccomend "Bassline Heaven 5" for starters - the first 20 or so minutes are killer.

plus here's <A HREF="http://www.speedyshare.com/424350268.html";>a treat for y'all</A>: Naughty Nick nicking the acappela from Stonebridge's "Put 'Em High" and a breakdown from a huge 90s dance tune... but i won't spoil it any more, hear for yourself!

Mind Taker, Thursday, 21 June 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe i should have payed attention to the "formatting help" bit below, eh

Mind Taker, Thursday, 21 June 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

but i'd reccomend "Bassline Heaven 5" for starters - the first 20 or so minutes are killer.

Listening as we speak - killer stuff, but I agree, you have to be in the mood for this kind of thing (luckily, I am today).

Thanks again, Mind Taker - you certainly have a knack for finding this stuff!

Tantrum The Cat, Thursday, 21 June 2007 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Agent X mix: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5A4E346C51C6C037

jim, Monday, 25 June 2007 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I.e. this: http://www.catapult.co.uk/products/CDs/Urban/The+Official+Agent+X+Mix+CD

jim, Monday, 25 June 2007 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Thank you, jim!

Tantrum The Cat, Monday, 25 June 2007 04:10 (sixteen years ago) link

what's the line between this and funky house?

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link

or urban house or whatever they're calling it

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link

It's made a big impression on the funky house nights and audience in my small hometown even. The music has got a fair bit more ravey and rougher, but you don't hear the grimey stuff like in the bigger cities with more dedicated nights.

Is this catching on more down South now, with the one extra play?

Alex xy, Monday, 25 June 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Funky house is more boompty-boompty, bit slower too probably, not as bassline focused. I don't know if it's gotten bigger down south but it has absolutely no penetration in Scotland as far as I can tell.

jim, Monday, 25 June 2007 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Whereas funky house is all over the shop.

jim, Monday, 25 June 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

wouldnt say i've the fullest grasp of bassline (can we not call it niche like everyone else tho) but i guess it's got more of a ruffer boshing 4/4 euro sugarhouse edge? thin tinny vox, plinky plonky, untz untz - not necessarily to do with any kind of glowering stripped down menace, just people off their faces. whereas urban house is much more about slinky swanky classic house vibes w/ soulful vocals, congas and bongos, generally. check the defected comp for instance, yr not gonna hear any peven everett and kerri chandler types in niche.

r|t|c, Monday, 25 June 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

altho that description makes it sound like it's all a big racewar or something. there's a fair amount of x-over really.

r|t|c, Monday, 25 June 2007 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, bassline has made this stuff so much more fun because it throws in some of the toytown/stupid feeling of latterday Northern hardcore, as well as garage obviously.

Alex xy, Monday, 25 June 2007 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

latterday northern hardcore: http://www.myspace.com/hardcoreuprising

Alex xy, Monday, 25 June 2007 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

'heartbroken' isn't spearheading a scene for anyone who's not into bassline tho is it. it's instantly familiar, if not a total retro wheeze.

likewise 'the cure & the cause' appealing as an 06 'spin spin sugar' van helden rmx (with the same drum pattern as groovejet/bextor to boot)

r|t|c, Monday, 25 June 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link

agent x must surely have wept tears of joy when he found out about niche! he's always been too hamfisted for ukg.

r|t|c, Monday, 25 June 2007 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I'm a bit late to 'Heartbroken' but I love it!!! Although I don't quite see what sounds 'new' here (the odd eski-synth maybe)- this years 'Babycakes'?

tpp, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

http://music.guardian.co.uk/urban/story/0,,2204182,00.html

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Also new to Heartbroken (and Bassline House, really) but this sounds great right now.

admrl, Thursday, 8 November 2007 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link

anyone else worried it could get overhyped and get too much press and go mainstream too quickly (if you believe that something CAN go mainstream too quickly)? hopefully it wont, mainly being a northern thing and most journalists being too lazy to bother going all the way to sheffield etc.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 8 November 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link

BBC local report on Bassline club nights getting shut down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Rw9CWw19Q

tpp, Thursday, 8 November 2007 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Would anyone mind posting that Agent X mix cd?

admrl, Thursday, 8 November 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

anyone else worried it could get overhyped and get too much press and go mainstream too quickly

well, it's not like it's in its infancy stage: like dubstep before it, it's been brewing for a long time under the mainstream media's radar, and comes to its attention fully-formed. and while the grimier side of bassline may get overhyped, the original northern organ-house thing will surely remain unfashionable as ever.

Would anyone mind posting that Agent X mix cd?

i don't have it, but you can try out this wicked Nev Wright mix.

Mind Taker, Friday, 9 November 2007 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

been playing this stuff out around london for a couple of years..always kills.

never acid again, Friday, 9 November 2007 11:47 (sixteen years ago) link

there's a good introductory minimix on uk-flava.co.uk...will dig out the link inabit

never acid again, Friday, 9 November 2007 11:48 (sixteen years ago) link

just had a butchers at that uk flava site (or the myspace anyway) - isn't that just all the southern ukg refugees riding the wave? if any of these mixes are the ones you mean, that is.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3290/flava2na5.jpg

don't get me wrong tho, i'll take ^^ this fiyah ^^ over the northern monkey bosh any day of the week. no media hype love-in for that though :(

nev wright mix is not doing all that much for me today, altho 'heartbroken' is still top 10 07 material.

ooh a dexplicit mix of 'sambucca'! gimme.

r|t|c, Friday, 9 November 2007 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link

was thinking of their 'mashup' minimix more but fair point:) as far as london goes i umbrella 4x4/bassline/niche/speed garage together..bass against all the midrange-migraine electro doing the rounds

never acid again, Friday, 9 November 2007 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link

this is the same or different from "urban house"?

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 9 November 2007 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah no i suppose everyone wins at the end of the day eh. some of the more genteel mj/todd disciples certainly needed the mild poke in the ribs.

find us that mashup mix tho, can't see it anywhere.

r|t|c, Friday, 9 November 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

this is the same or different from "urban house"?

urban house: funky house with a light, soca-ish feel. check out Footloose's "Just Leave".

bassline: started off as the northern speed garage revival + sped-up "Show Me Love"-type organ house, nowadays it's mostly associated with a grimier sound: big wobbling basslines are still there, but they're less housey and are often accompanied by grime's tacky martial synth strings, sometimes MC's. (ie, the Nev Wright mix i linked above)

4x4: old school UKG, basically a bunch of Todd Edwards/MJ Cole/Tuff Jam fetishists. as far as i'm concerned, this stuff peaked in the '03-'05 period, with lots of ace dubby stuff exploring the trackier house end of speed garage (Tuff Jam, New Horizons) - check out this Duncan Powell mix.

there's also some talk of "jackin' house": not UKG really, but big with old school UKG headz: for example, the Digital Villains remix of The Midnight Circus (Pete Devereux, ex Artful Dodger), who've also been remixed by Joey Youngman (scroll down on TMC's myspace player).

Mind Taker, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

some of the more genteel mj/todd disciples certainly needed the mild poke in the ribs.

...but to what effect? i lurk a bit on the uptown records forum, and just about every time i check there's a "bassline is soulless chav crap"-type thread on the frontpage. and the scene itself feels knackered rather than combat-ready... i mean, when i check out ukg radio show playlists, it's always the same tunes, there's next to no variety week in week out - but when i check out bassline mixes, there's always tons of tracks i haven't heard before, there's so much of it out there that it's bewildering. (okay, a lot of it is just big dumb bassline + not much else, but still...)

that "UK Flava Volume 2" mix is alright, even though it cuts off Will Philips' gorgeous "Over with You" remix way too early... but this is the og-ukg mix that i've played the most this year:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/301/nuskoolvol22hz9.jpg

here's the link, if you can be bothered registering on the mixheaven forums.

Mind Taker, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks, mind taker!

admrl, Saturday, 10 November 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link

ah, you know i keep meaning to check out footloose's show. (and dj q's for that matter. sigh, where's paul scifi these days.) based on that tune i didn't realise the scene was quite so... fruity. sounds like the sort of thing sticky and cameo think they've invented. (i ain't calling it 'dirty pop', i know that much.)

you're right though, the true skool lot haven't been shaken up a great deal. big moany moaners aside i'd say there's been a small shift, at least on the dj's side, of encouraging some of the fatter ruffer stuff, but then again only if it's made by people they know like the wideboys or agent x or whoever. like you say however, the "soulful" bomb is never very far away.

bit harsh to say the scene's knackered though. maybe that's what i like about it, to be fair; but i guess i'd better go and get myself a better awareness of bassline's ways before i say something overly honest like "i'd rather hear a thousand more hilariously predictable 3 minute long piano intros where mj thinks he's thomas newman than bother parroting on about how the kids on the bus go round and round etc" OOPSY LOOKS LIKE I JUST DID!! nah but seriously, there's a lot of good stuff still coming out of there.

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link

haha this is pretty sick tho http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKRHJ_-mRo4

ISYOUUUUUISYOUUUUUISYOUUUUUISYOUUUUU

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

you're right, that "Is You" tune is great!

"dirty pop", haha yes! still, i love Sticky's Fantasia remix to death, it's real sexy.

while we're talking urban house: have you heard Wookie's Omarion remix? i think it's just... oooh, super funky!

also worth checking out: Jelly Beats' "City Girls".

Mind Taker, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

wookie was the first person i thought of when you mentioned 'jacking house'! tbf 'entourage' was a open goal waiting to be tapped in for a house guy.

likewise there is no way someone called jelly beats could make a song called city girls and it not be great. it is some kind of law.

hmm what can i give you in return.

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

sunship remix of my destiny?

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

deesha falling in love delinquent mix is an old chestnut by now but fuck it, AHHH SO GOOD

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

wookie was the first person i thought of when you mentioned 'jacking house'!

tbh i don't really have a handle on the term, i've seen it applied to stuff i don't consider even remotely "jacking" - like say Will Phillips' recent proper tasteful house attempts. (i've just gone to his myspace, now he has some zzzz deep house up track there)

that Sunship remix of "My Destiny" is nice, but i'm not feeling the official '07 bassline rerub (the one that's supposed to break it into mainstream, right?)... actually, i think Delinquent's bassline stuff in general is awful! they were much better at 2step/steppers 4x4.

oh, and i see that there's also a Delio D'Cruz electrohouse remix of "My Destiny" - sounding good on first listen. loved that guy's remix of Kelly R's "Like This", even tho it was a totally shameless Bodyrox ripoff.

Mind Taker, Saturday, 10 November 2007 03:07 (sixteen years ago) link

actually, i think Delinquent's bassline stuff in general is awful

scratch that, i was thinking of Dexplicit instead of Delinquent there... meaning it's about time i finally go to sleep, i think. ;)

(but it's not like i'm a big fan of the "What's Your Fantasy" rerub or "Colours" anyway)

strangely enough, i somehow missed/overlooked that Deesha rmx! i like it. ukgmp3 has it too.

Mind Taker, Saturday, 10 November 2007 03:27 (sixteen years ago) link

oh balls yeah i heard 'my destiny' got signed but i didn't know that was the mix they were running with :(

am also disappointed with dexplicit's new stuff, although it's doing ok for him by the looks of it. his rng stuff made me think he was on the verge of cracking something mildly interesting, but i guess he'll always be a thwarted ragga producer trapped on an island of mugs.

oh wait he did do that rubbish mavado rmx didn't he. forget i said anything.

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link

"4x4: old school UKG, basically a bunch of Todd Edwards/MJ Cole/Tuff Jam fetishists. as far as i'm concerned, this stuff peaked in the '03-'05 period, with lots of ace dubby stuff exploring the trackier house end of speed garage (Tuff Jam, New Horizons) - check out this Duncan Powell mix."

I don't remember or somehow missed New Horizons sounds being revived :-(

On the other hand I found their amazing (and raved about by no-one else in the world ever except me it seems) remix of Dem 2's "Destiny" on vinyl the other day. Now I know that New Horizons remixing Dem 2 sounds horribly worthy and canonical but it really is the biggest tune ever.

RTC or anyone else can you explain whethere there's a link between any of this stuff and the Boy Better Know Tropical mix??

Tim F, Saturday, 10 November 2007 04:11 (sixteen years ago) link

RTC or anyone else can you explain whethere there's a link between any of this stuff and the Boy Better Know Tropical mix??

as far as i've noticed, it's a grime-contained anomaly that hasn't crossed over to other UKG strands.

btw, i've read a rumour that Delinquent will do an official remix of J Holiday's "Bed", which T2 already did but - as soon as he finished it, he gave a copy to Cameo, without giving it to the record company first. and the record company wasn't pleased with this gesture, so he got booted off the project. true or not, T2's "Bed" is still on Cameo's myspace. and it's still quite good.

in other news, "Heartbroken" haters have a lot of free time on their hands.

Mind Taker, Saturday, 10 November 2007 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, i believe tropical's only impact on this rotten world was kiss fm's jez welham using 'holiday' behind the traffic reports for a bit. when you consider the kind of useless toss grime watchers usually pick over ad nauseum it is quite frankly as if i dreamt the whole thing up one day.

a monstrous injustice.

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link

great thread!

admrl, Saturday, 10 November 2007 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

listening to it again, and you know in terms of a practical link though i might argue tropical could have represented a sort of lost southern coeval to bassline bosh; what began as a jokey todd homage for the summer emerged as something totally personal and of its time, something pounding with a nameless pell-mell rage (the smart challenge of “come ring my bell” and how it swirls into a mania of mocking voices, a hall of mirrors; then waking up into the absent-minded smile of 'mash', sat flat on its arse modelling a looney tunes tweetybird wreath; and THEN faster and faster and happeningalloveragain) but also in places with this strange sorrowing placidity, the ambivalence of an observer, and maybe a glazed syrupy tiredness too. ('flow' plainly into 'melody & voice' - because why bother naming them otherwise? "now it's machines, ines" rolling on matter of factly, the longing of 'holiday', bumping and rising away like airplanes from heathrow but really just waiting, waiting like the sun in the smog - WELHAM YOU'RE A GENIUS.) so yeah, maybe think of the album as burial for those who aren't glibly superficial spastics, i dunno; maybe even think of the denial of this album, and its descent into anonymity, as a fitting epilogue to a glimpse of grime's knotted subconscious.

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

btw is it really true that t2's working with madonna on her new album? she's a bit fresh, if so.

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 November 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

he said in a rwd mag interview that he's "been asked to collaborate with people like Madonna". i'll remain suspicious til further notice.

Mind Taker, Saturday, 10 November 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

listening to it again, and you know in terms of a practical link though i might argue tropical could have represented a sort of lost southern coeval to bassline bosh; what began as a jokey todd homage for the summer emerged as something totally personal and of its time, something pounding with a nameless pell-mell rage (the smart challenge of “come ring my bell” and how it swirls into a mania of mocking voices, a hall of mirrors; then waking up into the absent-minded smile of 'mash', sat flat on its arse modelling a looney tunes tweetybird wreath; and THEN faster and faster and happeningalloveragain) but also in places with this strange sorrowing placidity, the ambivalence of an observer, and maybe a glazed syrupy tiredness too. ('flow' plainly into 'melody & voice' - because why bother naming them otherwise? "now it's machines, ines" rolling on matter of factly, the longing of 'holiday', bumping and rising away like airplanes from heathrow but really just waiting, waiting like the sun in the smog - WELHAM YOU'RE A GENIUS.) so yeah, maybe think of the album as burial for those who aren't glibly superficial spastics, i dunno; maybe even think of the denial of this album, and its descent into anonymity, as a fitting epilogue to a glimpse of grime's knotted subconscious.

GREAT thread!

admrl, Saturday, 10 November 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

in all seriousness, I woke up this morning with basslines in my head. Listening to this music is a bit like eating ten bags of Skittles.

Not that I've ever done that.

admrl, Saturday, 10 November 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

"so yeah, maybe think of the album as burial for those who aren't glibly superficial spastics"

RTC for prez.

Tim F, Sunday, 11 November 2007 11:25 (sixteen years ago) link

prez of petty digs and vague tautologies yall.

prancehall, asking the questions that had to be asked.

If you're a teenager living in a council estate anywhere north of Grimsby, you won't be spending your weekends at home practicing WCW wrestling moves on your terrified cat, smoking weed, and listening to Ghetto's new mixtape. No, instead the chances are you'll be riding in your 1992 Ford Fiesta down to your local nightclub with your Rockport loafers, fake D&G shirt and enough diamante encrusted jewellery to choke a murder of crows to listen to some banging bassline house.

haha. i was thinking about geezers in lurid birdsnbassmobiles as well - these guys have never ever ever let speed garage go, and maybe it was a matter of time before a bigger culture sprang up around them. will dissensus kru be rolling out a 50,000 page ballardian sexghost in the machine disquisition, do you think, or is that just too easy now?

r|t|c, Monday, 12 November 2007 12:03 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b128/drdragon666/IMG_3248.jpg

WAMP WAMP, WHAT IT DO

r|t|c, Monday, 12 November 2007 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

cor, even the old boy reynolds has woken the fuck up. when was the last time he did something as simple as sticking the radio on? good piece.

like the little point about northern soul too.

r|t|c, Monday, 12 November 2007 12:15 (sixteen years ago) link

it's kind of hard for simon to turn on the radio and hear any bassline. he lives in new york.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 November 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link

given that his piece is about him listening to 1xtra internet radio, i don't see how that's relevant. but thank you for your kneejerk apologism all the same.

r|t|c, Monday, 12 November 2007 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link

man who knew that to be an apologist is as you'd expect but that apologism generally refers to some completely different metaphilosophical thing! not me!

how unfun.

r|t|c, Monday, 12 November 2007 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link

what are you talking about? sorry i misunderstood you.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 November 2007 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

(am expressing surprise that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologism is not the state of being an apologist like i thought it was, is all. can take it to the copyedit/grammar fiends thread, if it surprises you too.)

r|t|c, Monday, 12 November 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

ok my point wasn't literally about the radio, just that new yorkers are not exactly down with what's happening in sheffield, no matter how actively they're seeking out new sounds. one friend of mine who lives in new york and used to be the biggest craig david fan ever, and before that the biggest dj ss fan ever, has never even heard of bassline house!

Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 November 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

i dunno if this has been answered already but is this really offering much new from old uk garage? the tracks ive heard that do seem to be 'real bassline' have this brilliant hyper happy energy to them but ive only heard them in mixes so dont know which are just older bassline (when it still pretty much resembled UKG) or actual UKG (which seems to have been quietly ticking along all this time) and new proper bassline which seems to adopt grimey synths as well as the hyper happy vibe. just wanna make sure this isnt the emperors new clothes.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 15 November 2007 21:41 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

MOAR BASSLINE

less forelock-tugging + cunty refusal to read what ppl already wrote

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 December 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

if nothing else won't someone else weigh in on tropical?

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 December 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

rtc, you might be interested to know that MJ Cole has now jumped on the bassline bandwagon too, under his old Matlock alias! a clip of "Watford Gap" can be heard here, and... it's rather awful. i mean, if he's gonna do bassline he could at least stick to xeroxes of his Lamb remix from way back, nu-gen bassfarts don't suit him really.

on the other hand, "Love on the Rocks" still sounds wonderful as ever, and Midnight Circus' "MILF" is good for a chuckle or two.

Mind Taker, Friday, 7 December 2007 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link

lol i started listening thinking "i will forgive him this if he gets on the paino for the intro" and THERE IT IS! also that is the intro to BoC geogaddi and i claim my 5 pounds.

truce 'treat u right' sunship dub is my stuff.

r|t|c, Friday, 7 December 2007 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm a total novice here--have a few mix-CDs I've bought and d/l'ed over the past couple months--so can I please ask what you mean by that mouthwatering phrase, "tropical"?

Matos W.K., Friday, 7 December 2007 13:44 (sixteen years ago) link

seriously mj i love u but why you're pissing around making ukg and not doing megabucks film soundtracks i'll never know.

matos, tropical was 2006 mix cd side project of, i guess, modern uk garage made apparently on a whim by jme, skepta and plastician. here's the myspace.

r|t|c, Friday, 7 December 2007 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

boy betta know! i've got tropical and maybe it's more exciting if you've been following all the internecine conflicts, victories, negotiations and defeats in and amongst various speed garage progeny.. i think it's nice, but i have to say it sounds like a less snappily delicious, sparser, more straight-ahead version of 2-step - also the mixing is somewhat shit

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 December 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

yes... those craving for the snappily delicious may well be disappointed.

does seem a little churlish to highlight the mixing of an album of tunes they've specially made themselves (ie not a best of, or retrospective, or anything), particularly when a good few of those tunes suggest that a straight-up partymixx was not quite the intended alpha and omega of the thing. take it on its own mysterious terms, at least.

r|t|c, Friday, 7 December 2007 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean i'm really not trying to say everyone should subscribe to my take on it (god forbid), but peering through a predictable 2step pince-nez at it and ignoring what it does manage to achieve in being sparser and more driving seems unfair either way.

r|t|c, Friday, 7 December 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link

What's curious about Tropical is that it's simultaenously great and inscrutable - as music it kinda doesn't make sense, almost. In this I'd venture to suggest that it's closer in spirit to the early proto-grime than to 2-step, it feels malformed and unfinished and this is part of what makes it exciting.

I'm kinda fascinated by the notion of sounds that have an early window where they've yet to coalesce and cohere, and everyone's waiting for the moment when everything snaps into place, at which point all the music (including the preceding, seemingly incoherent stuff) all makes sense.

Like, with grime, I think that Nasty Crew set from the beginning of 2003 was (for me) a crucial moment when the music suddenly felt viable (as in "we can make a sixty minute set with a really solid identity"), at which point all the randomness of 2002 made sense as well.

All of which means "could there be a Nasty Crew version of Tropical and what would it look like?"

My comment in the Wiley thread about the potential belated rise of colourful 4X4 grime is partly inspired by "I'm Going Out", partly by Tropical, and partly by bassline (esp. the stuff with MCs). But when rtc brought up juke house it clinched for me the idea of what I want, which is kinda like grime/garage that has a juke structure - slow, lurchy verses, fast bouncy choruses.

Imagine a tune that was like JME & DEE's "Serious Thugs", only instead of just speeding up in the chorus it went 4X4 as well... This would be the best thing ever I think.

2step pince-nez = where can I buy one?

Tim F, Friday, 7 December 2007 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I’m always confused when a promoter says 3,428 DJ’s at 1 venue? Isn’t the single venue a given for a party?

Mr. Goodman, Saturday, 8 December 2007 00:06 (sixteen years ago) link

there's a joke in there somewhere. new horizons? tj glasses-cases? cough.

have jammer and some bird vocalling holiday instead, for what it's worth.

also at the time of tropical's gestation i put up this radio clip of logan mixing todd edwards over roll deep's babylon burner, presumably cos i'm just nice like that innit.

r|t|c, Saturday, 8 December 2007 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link

most grime is boring now. getting some of that bassline/4x4 type energy is what the scene needs. tropical sounded like old garage to me, not fresh like bassline. i dont know what funky house sounds like apart from one or two songs but bassline has that energy grime has lost.

mr x, Saturday, 8 December 2007 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link

T2 is becoming a cult hero among footballers

Mind Taker, Sunday, 9 December 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link

more T2 sports action

alas the audio link doesn't work, but there's always youtube

Mind Taker, Sunday, 9 December 2007 23:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Apropos of MC-bassline, the DJ Q remix of "Flex" is pretty great. I didn't think it improved on the original, but then I went back to the original and it suddenly sounded too slow...

A good example though of the extent to which bassline's stiff 4X4-ness is slightly over-emphasised. Yeah it's very electrohouse rigid, but like with (better) electrohouse there's lots of scope for interesting counter-rhythm programming. This reminds me a bit of early bleep 'n' bass in that regard.

Meanwhile "Holiday" is fab, thx rtc.

Tim F, Monday, 10 December 2007 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link

That's Dizzee's "Flex" I'm referring to there.

Tim F, Monday, 10 December 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

but not the Glasweigan DJ Q?

blueski, Monday, 10 December 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

dj q's remix of flex is quite brilliant.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 10 December 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

wut's crackin here?

Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Can anyone name top 10 essential bassline tracks? So far I like:

T2 - Heartbroken
Delinquent feat. Kcat - My Destiny
H Two O - What's It Gonna Be
TS & 7 - Smile

So basically I like bassline with catchy female vocal in it.

Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 00:21 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

like most people here and elsewhere, i've stopped checking bassline some time ago... but i've discovered this incidentally few days ago and it's fantastic:

Love Assassins - The Boy Is Mine (Rebel Bassline Mix)

Mind Taker, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

This is still some of my favourite music to dance to ever, although I still feel like I could do with a decent primer on the style's peak years.

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

Couldn't give a primer, but yeah this stuff is still great. I hear new tunes every so often but no idea what kind of scene there is. DJ Q and Burgaboy still produce some good stuff.

Genuflection X (oppet), Saturday, 30 April 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Dj beez April! Excellent mix.

I think in theory I like poppy bassline best but then often the spooky stuff is erm prettier? If you accused me of doing the classic herb listener of imposing values from other genres I'd be hardpressed to defend myself - probably there's some hallucination of hyper-on experience vs terra danjah vibes at work.

― Tim F, Monday, 16 May 2011 22:42 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Will make people retch on principle but the bassline remix of Katy perry's "E.T" also is very pretty.

― Tim F, Monday, 16 May 2011 22:55 (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok let's take it over here.

yeah beez april is good innit! i don't even think it's a more-than-sum-of-parts mix that especially articulates anything about bassline particularly wonderfully, it's just competently got all the tracks of the moment and THEY'RE ALL JUST REALLY QUITE GOOD.

i will say that all the lady vocal cuts are pretty much my favourite things in the world.

r|t|c, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

generally i am very glad to have anyone else cosign some bassline because it's very much like an upside down lunatic alice in wonderland rabbit hole once you get hooked in and i pretty much no longer have any idea if my ramblings on the subject are socially acceptable - meaning i don't really judge maximum sugar/maximum darkness inversions and perversions like the katy perry and ussy tracks by any other genre's standards but bassline's, and they all make the most perfect gleeful nonsense here.

r|t|c, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

haven't heard that mix in full yet but the 3 tracks off the girls love bassline ep are fab.

dbs, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

yes! taking advantage of the collection format that ep is probably my favourite single release of the year. shame the accompanying mix wasnt quite as good, but still of use as a refresher course i'm sure.

dj beez february mix is my favourite of his i think, it really runs with the gibbering provincial juvenile truant angle throughout (save for a big bouncy mix of gaga 'telephone' slap bang in the middle obv)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpiycgtX4Lo

like you don't question for a moment that this is the actual national anthem of the uk

r|t|c, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

and in more ~musical~ terms i really loved dj apostle's sounds of the new skool vol 30 - from january so probably a tiny bit dated now but it's just excellent

r|t|c, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-v6LieeMY8

i mean really now how good is this!!!

r|t|c, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

Really like that. Emvee is a bit good I don't think I've heard much of his more bassline style stuff, I'm pretty impressed. Those drums are madness.

jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link

sickness.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link

what are some new bassline mixes?

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

DJ Q has done a promo mix for his set at Fabric w/ Butterz: http://www.fabriclondon.com/blog/view/butterz-dj-q-fabriclive-x-butterz-mix

jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:37 (twelve years ago) link

doesnt look like much bassline on there tho

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

Its kind of all over the spot innit, it might give someone a way in though if they're feeling the grimy bits or whatever.

jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:49 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.basslineblog.co.uk/?p=1584

thumbs up, get it down ye

r|t|c, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

pantha 32 is out as well if you like that sort of thing :)

nothing quite as good as emmerdale riddim on there though

http://soundcloud.com/dj-pantha/dj-pantha-emmerdale-dub

r|t|c, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Wowzers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C91uemYZi60&feature=related

Tim F, Monday, 15 August 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

<3 <3 <3

https://soundcloud.com/clb_sounds/dont-walk-away-free-download

Mind Taker, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:07 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Any of you guys would happen to know if this compilation would count as bassline?

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Bassline-Classics/release/400947

Considering it was released in the year 2000 it might be too early, but it has the name for it, so I don't know.

YellowJelly, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link

it does not

djdirtbagstyle, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link

that counts as a pretty basic selection of 2-step tunes with a bit of an emphasis on tracks with particularly heavy basslines

bassline is 4x4 music

djdirtbagstyle, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link

that said, if i saw that in a charity shop for a coin i would snap it up.

mark e, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link

yeah it's not a bad selection

djdirtbagstyle, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

https://djmag.com/features/history-bassline

Matt Anniss does a history of bassline house, nothing new in there for anyone interested in this stuff but it's nice to see it being talked about seriously.

boxedjoy, Monday, 28 February 2022 11:25 (two years ago) link


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