a sublime frequencies call out: how often do you listen to radio palestine, i remember syria, bush taxi mali, etc.

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i love folk and pop songs of sumatra, but i mean, really...other than to have something to say on ilm and to impress your more "xenophobic" friends do you need to hear these more than twice?

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i only have two of them and i listen to them all the time.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

all the time? really? how so? background? actively engaged? i just do not see the appeal after the novelty has worn.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

also, which two?

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

To start with, Radio Sumatra and Radio Phnom Penh are both pretty freaking great as music as well as sociology.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

my iPod is now has a desperate global fuckedness about tit.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

GREAT homework music (which is what 75% of the music i listen to is)

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I am going to go way out on a limb and suspect that josh'n'chicago either downloaded these or received them as promos. let's face it, you need cash, sell it to someone who might like it and you can pay your mp3blog hosting fees... win/win!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember syria and radio morocco, and i have enjoyed them both as background and as intense listening.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

also these would be pretty poor selections to listen to in order to have something to say on ilm or impress your more xenophobic friends.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, you'd be better off with the Merzbox or perhaps some nice Primus

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i bought folk and pop of sumatra vol 1 and radio palestine and princess nicotine. i love the first, can't fathom why anyone needs to listen to the second more than a couple of times and dig the last. the syria and mali ones i've downloaded. the later is a bad example for this thread as it's got some great moments. the radio recordings, though... no. i'm not into it. nope.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

great, we care.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

may louisville foul yet again on a three pointer in the first round with .1 seconds on the clock. the men of louisiana - lafayette will not go down in tears, stencil.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

whatever, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

awww. sorry, man. i woke poke the bear anymore.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

don't flatter yourself.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

jesus, dude. when did you turn into a dick? take a fucking joke.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i listen to streets of lhasa a lot. i love that thing.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

jesus, dude. when did you turn into a dick? take a fucking joke.

in other news, how's everybody doing today? what other titles do y'all recommend?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I prefer the shambling radio pieces to the pop song ones. In fact, I got into these thru the Sun City Girls radio thing from WFMU last year.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i love folk and pop songs of sumatra, but i mean, really...other than to have something to say on ilm and to impress your more "xenophobic" friends do you need to hear these more than twice?

they're all on my ipod, which i always keep on random. so i listen all the time!

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i just do not see the appeal after the novelty has worn.

haha well if you're the type of person who sees world music as "novelty" i guess i can see where you're coming from.

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

they're all on my ipod, which i always keep on random. so i listen all the time!

i've realized this is a big part of my problem with these. cuz my random always seems to pick the interview with the gay syrian. or two minutes of motorcycles passing or kids playing whilst someone walks by coughing and a goat bleats in the distance.

haha well if you're the type of person who sees world music as "novelty" i guess i can see where you're coming from.

okay, poor choice of words.

Anyway, fine. I suck. Lock thread.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, what do you have against gay syrians?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

two minutes of motorcycles passing or kids playing whilst someone walks by coughing and a goat bleats in the distance.

works for me!

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

personally i listen to the "radio java" and "radio india" discs all the time. i have a lot of other stuff from mali to listen to so i don't listen to "bush taxi mali" very much.

i bought the palestine / morocco / syria discs and i sort of regretted it, too.

the thing is there are many radio stations in america pumping out the middle-eastern jams all the time. at least there's a bunch on the internet and there's at least one high-powered station you can get in southern california. i'd be surprised if the same wasn't true for chicago and new york.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

vahid, could you mention some stations available online that play middle eastern music (assuming they are free). I guess I've been lazy about tracking them down.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only heard five:

Princess Nicotine
Cambodian Cassette Archives
Molam: Country Thai Groove

Pop Hits = very effective in shuffle mode.

Radio Java I loved but feels more like a full-length

I Remember Syria is kind of needs to be taken in intact, like a radio play. esp. disc 1

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

ive wanted to listen to these for awhile, but i can never find them on slsk and im not about to take an $18 risk to see if i might like syrian pop music.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe john'n'chicago can send me his!

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

rockist: this is the family favorite

http://www.iranianradio.com

when i get home i'll post a few more (this is the part i admit i only know about persian radio and not arab radio)

the main difference between these radio stations and the sublime frequencies discs is that instead of dropping in the sound of goats / the sound of the bazaar these radio stations will drop usher or nina sky or whatever. it feels a little more vital to me this way.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

btw DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT click on any of those links! these people are shystie and will bomb you with spyware and stuff. you might want to be sure you're using firefox.

actually here is a better link

http://www.iranianradio.com/listen.php

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

btw they are playing bomb shit RIGHT NOW

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

phil-two, are you on the hub here? I can hook you up with a little Syrian and Lebanese pop.

x-post:

vahid, great, this might be the only way to get me to listen to some U.S. pop stuff. I am more interested in Arabic radio, but I am also interested in Iranian music. I suspect there's more of it out there that I would like.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

All the great Arabic streaming radio sites I discovered a few years ago either went to a fee-based set up or they disappeared entirely.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

phil: what's your slsk user name?

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

TUNE IN RIGHT NOW FOR AN IRANIAN TRIBUTE TO MEN AT WORK

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

playing whilst someone walks by coughing and a goat bleats in the distance.

*swoon*

Next to the Conet Project box, these are the best things for iPod shuffle play ever.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

im philtwo on slsk

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

er, phil-two

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

For SF fans, in SF

ybca.org/fv/evening/apr05/sublime_frequencies.html

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I got Radio Sumatra partly out of nostalgia because I lived in Indonesia for a year, and I have fond memories of listening to Indonesian pop music on the radio and TV there. Sure enough, it sounds pretty much exactly like I remember it. Seems like Indonesian pop hasn't changed all that much in the last 15 years. I never realized what a potential gold-mine of music was all around me, I could have taped hours of this stuff for free when I was living there.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

radio palestine's probably my favorite. i only listen to it once or twice a month, but that's a lot for me. Radio Syria, Princess Nicotine, Radio Sumatra, Radio Java, and Cambodian Cassette Archives are all fantastic.
also, scott seward OTM about lhasa.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Radio Haiti! Radio Zagreb! Radio Bougainville!

Quit glaring at Ian Riese-Moraine! He's mentally fraught! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 17 March 2005 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

listened to radio morocco tonight - still awesome.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 March 2005 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't forget the salsa channel at Digitally Imported (mostly old school): http://www.di.fm/

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Now playing boogaloo: Hector Lavoe "Eso Se Baila Asi"

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

vahid, this streaming Persian radio is pretty good.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 20 March 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

(Based on like 5 minutes of listening.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 20 March 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

not just pretty good, it is very awesome. i think i can (tentatively) say that it is very representative of what iranian-americans of my parent's generation listen to.

you'll notice there is very little anxiety between trad / modern and pop / classical. i am increasingly convinced that is a unique part of western culture.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 March 2005 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

actually i am sure it is representative of secular iranian-iranian listening tastes, too (some of the stuff on there wouldn't pass mullah muster).

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 March 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

hey rockist today is actually also a pretty good day - it is going to be mad and celebratory for probably at least 18 more hrs, since persian new year's is being celebrated yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 March 2005 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, I ended up switching to Qur'anic recitation. That was earlier though. I have the Iranian radio back on. It reminds me a lot of some of the songs on a contemporary Afghan CD I bought a little while back. Some of the bombast synth stuff was just getting on my nerves earlier.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 21 March 2005 02:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you happen to know this Afghan singer Hasib Ashrafi?

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 21 March 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i think perhaps we are born immune to bombastic synths. in fact, bombastic synthwork is maybe my favorite part. sometimes it reminds me of latin freestyle with a not-quite-bhangra beat. i just need to find a suitable diva before i unleash my freestyle-oriented iranian electroclash project on the world (i'm calling it Yazziz)

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 March 2005 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

So to ask a dumb question, what is Persian new year? Is it a specific national tradition? (I don't even know where New Year's falls in the Islamic calendar.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 21 March 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

1st day of spring, celebrated by every religious group. the thematics are similar to easter (rebirth, renewal, fuzzy animals and candy)

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 March 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

SATURDAY and SUNDAY!!!!! (2 Special Events)

Saturday April 2nd

HEMLOCK TAVERN (1131 Polk Street/San Francisco)

10 PM $8 cover and they have a SMOKING ROOM!

http://www.hemlocktavern.com/

Master Musicians of Bukkake (from Seattle)

Sequel 4000 (Comedy Sketch group)

Pusser’s Phinn (Southeast Asian Molam and beyond)

A Film By Alvarius B. "Jazz Classics"(Javanese Puppets GO Avant Jazz!!!!) 30 minutes

Sunday April 3rd

An Evening with Sublime Frequencies

Yerba Buena Center for the Arts

701 Mission Street SF CA 94103 http://www.ybca.org

SPECIAL SCREENING TWO SHOWS: 5:00 and 8:00 PM

Niger: Magic and Ecstasy in the Sahel

(the PREMIER of this upcoming DVD in abbreviated form/ 55 minutes)

Sublime Frequencies Archives #3

(film collage from SE Asia/ 35 minutes)

2 SHOWS: 5:00 & 8:00 pm • Screening Room
$10 regular $9 YBCA Members, seniors & students

Hisham Mayet/Alan Bishop in person for Q & A.

DO NOT MISS THIS!!!!!
Tuareg Electric Guitar trance rock, Bori cult dance ceremonies, Fulani Folk and Roadhouse Gospel Rave-ups are some of the segments included in this celebration of life in the Sahel region of Africa, filmed by Hisham Mayet on location in Niger. Opening the program will be an exclusive glimpse into Southeast Asia captured in Cambodia, Burma, and Thailand by the Sublime Frequencies Collective: Explorers dedicated to acquiring and exposing obscure sights and sounds from modern and traditional urban and rural frontiers via film and video, field recordings, radio and short wave transmissions, international music, sound anomalies, and unique forms of human and natural expression. (90 min running time, plus talk).


bashosings (basho), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I am so going to this.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I will be in Seattle. I will pay tribute by "playing" A Love Supreme.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Radio Pyongyang is the best, partly for the weird English pronunciations.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 15 April 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahah, I'm not alone!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

That is a good one.

http://www.bidoun.com/issues/issue_10/08_all.html#article

http://www.electronicbookreview.com/thread/musicsoundnoise/ethnopsyche

critiques of sublime frequencies courtesy of Jace/DJ Rupture's mudd up blog at negrophonic.com

curmudgeon, Sunday, 15 April 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

omar souleyman is a funky god!

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 15 April 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

very interesting articles, thanx curmudgeon.

I really like Pyongyang as well, the only other radio one I heard was Sumatra which didn´t really wow me.

sleeve, Sunday, 15 April 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i just need to find a suitable diva before i unleash my freestyle-oriented iranian electroclash project on the world (i'm calling it Yazziz)

-- vahid (vahid), Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:16 PM (2 years ago)


still waiting for this!!

s1ocki, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Interesting stuff in that 2nd link about the lack of context in these CDs (and real ethnomusicologists hearing them and being like "What? These are massive, famous pop hits. Hate to rain on your look-how-crazy-and-exotic parade...") as well as lack of payment (or even credit) for the songwriters. The Sun City Girls guy's psychotic defensiveness is a major turnoff as well. But these CDs are very cool, regardless.

Ben Boyerrr, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

(or rather the first link)

Ben Boyerrr, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

why is the fact that they're hits a problem?? that's what i LIKE about these cds!!

s1ocki, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

They don't give credits to the artists or pay royalties.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post: It's not that they're hits, it's that they're consistently presented as this 'unknown' material. I've complained about this on other SF threads as well -- much as I like the music that's been presented here, the fact remains that track identification and the like has never been consistently done, and both pieces linked undercut the various claims in SF's defense I've read/heard that such identification could never be done. Sounds like it rather easily can, in many if not necessarily in all instances.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

here's the thing though (in my opinion)... Would you rather that they just keep these treasures for themselves and not release them?

I think that the SF releases are a mix of nearly untraceable "field recordings" and easily traceable "hits" but I think it's kind of unfair to call them out because "they don't pay royalties". There are a lot of American labels that everyone seems to think are really cool but THEY don't pay royalties either. That never seems to come up here. And they wouldn't have to do ANY detective work to do it.

I mean are we only now just coming to grips with the fact that the Sun City Girls people are a bunch of quirky weirdos who just do whatever the fuck they want?

my iPod is (sic) now has a desperate global fuckedness about tit.

OTM, except for the confusing tit part...

Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 15 April 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Where is the thread where we were just discussing this?!?!

Alex in SF, Sunday, 15 April 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wait here it is:

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=37935

Alex in SF, Sunday, 15 April 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

steets of lhassa is DA HOTTNESSS

chaki, Sunday, 15 April 2007 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Just to note, the Group Doueh compilation LP is properly credited and was created with the full knowledge of the group, who actually gave SF the recordings. It's fantastic, by the way.

QuantumNoise, Monday, 16 April 2007 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i should first say that i'm biased 'cause i'm friends with alan and hisham. and i really respect mark and the other people who've worked on the and with the label.

from what i've seen, all of the critiques of the label on ethical grounds do not seem very cogent or to have the facts straight -- any of which could easily be cleared up by contacting alan or hisham via the s.f. site -- they're eminently reachable.

as to critiques of the music itself, some of the sublime freq. releases that are collage-y are not my favorite. but they've yet to release anything that's not at least good, in my opinion.

the dvds have all been stellar, especially those shot by hisham.

hisham interview from blastitude here: http://www.blastitude.com/19/MAYET.htm

Mike McGooney-gal, Monday, 16 April 2007 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

What do you not find cogent, and what facts do you not think the critics have straight?

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 April 2007 03:46 (seventeen years ago) link

while i entirely understand the sort other ethical coundrums "field recordings create", i have always understood the SF releases to be very little about ethnography or the sort of "rough guide"/"explorer series" nonsense that purports that fastidious documentation and payment really makes up for the "sideshow" mentality that drives most collections of music not from one of our cultural centeres in the west.

as far as ive ever understood, SF recordings have been about experience or a total immersion in a different listening experience. To that end showing all the chords with linernotes and credits and extensisve information would undermine the project. I'll admit there is some trouble in this thinking, given subtitles like the pop-folk sounds of..., but I dont think the label is trying to do a "world music" or field recording sort of thing at all. these records always seemed like "and heres a nuther bit of mind fuckery for ya kids" stabs at having fun and questioning consumption patterns.

this perspective doesn't make the problems some of the critics cite go away, but it may agrue that it shouldnt really matter.

bb, Monday, 16 April 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

no one is asking for the chords and extensive linar notes, dicknose! it just would be nice if they credited the artists with the music these dudes probably worked hard on and put their heart into! how would that undermine anything!??! if someone in nigera put one of my songs on "the sounds of the 818" cd without any credit id be pissed!

chaki, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link

And, as was stated above (but not cited, as it was in the other thread), Bishop doesn't exactly endear himself to the curious.

Listeners may find it difficult to be angry with SF; for musicians, it's not such a stretch. Jayce Clayton, a writer and DJ who has worked extensively with Moroccan musicians, was shocked to find well-known songs by well-known bands presented as mysterious tokens of Arab genius on Radio Morocco. (One person's sublimity is another person's livelihood.) One of those bands, Nass El Ghiwane, was a pioneering, genre-bending, psychedelic jam-rock band (not unlike the Sun City Girls them-selves). There is a sense in which Nass El Ghi-wane seem like secret sharers in the whole SF enterprise: in Hisham Mayet's forthcoming film, Trans-Saharan Musical Brotherhoods, one of the most mind-blowing performances features the audience singing, dancing, and swaying along as a cover band pounds its way through an old Nass El Ghiwane song. Viewers of the film, however, or at least of the cut I saw, learn nothing about the song, its performers, or its authors (save for the not unimportant fact that they are fucking awesome).

Critics of the SF modus operandi have a way of getting under Bishop's skin. Complain about a lack of context or compensation, and he'll attempt to smother you with a surrealistic pillow, denouncing "hipster progressives... squirming on the rump of an epileptic unicorn, attempting to decipher which buttons to push to claim their fifteen minutes of fame."

Ben Boyerrr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Dunno about Sumatra, but Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Khaled both released some great albums in the first half of the 90s.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

chaki, exactly. but of course, in this context, the property of some enigmatic third-world Other doesn't count as true property, deserving of Western intellectual property rights. This is an utter extension of Western imperialism. In other words, this is racist.

modestmickey, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Bishop comes off as a smug hipster something or other. (Who does he think his audience is if not hipster progressives?)

As long as your familiarity and knowledge grows, that original experience of naive disorientation in the face of a new music is going to eventually disappear. I have mixed feeling about their attempt to preserve and maintain it, though it's interesting.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

But this North Korean one is pretty great on first listen.

Some of this reminds me of the kitschiest Arabic pop things I've heard. It's like the same weird type of synthesizer sounds and other similarities too.

Also, at the moment I'm feeling more sympathetic to the whole idea of trying to maintain that sense of disorientation as a listener. It can't really be that impossible, can it? If one wanted to.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 20 July 2007 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

diving back into the catalog after a few years away, particularly princess nicotine. i don't regret stanning over these for one damn second.

sriracha bishop (get bent), Thursday, 20 September 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

Singapore A-Go-Go is one of the best albums for a groovy house party ever

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 20 September 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

i don't know where to put this, brings to mind the Guitars of the Golden Triangle release from a cpl years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYGl-l0Toig
cross-post with psych/drone/freak thread really. don't know if this has had much play around here, but goodness it smokes

kyenkyen, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link

wow... pretty cosmic jams.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 02:04 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

Wow. This entire George Wassouf concert in Lebanon in 1992:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P49-4O9lu0

Have posted and re-posted parts of it. It is admittedly raw and ridiculous in various ways, but I still love the bulk of it. He and his band are on fire throughout.

(Actually I think the guy in the red shirt who introduces him did a human beat-box routine at the intro. but that appears to have been cut. Not joking.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link

2018 is the 25th anniversary of my passionate attachment to Arab music, and George Wassouf was possibly the first Arab singer I really cared about, even if his flaws and limitations have become glaringly obvious over time. So there is an excuse for my half-assed threads and thread revivals on related interest.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link

Oh and good audio quality for a change, which might have something to do with this having been posted by someone whose last name happen to be Wassouf.

Does that two-man chorus ever crack a smile?

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:12 (six years ago) link

I understand you liking his singing, despite your reference to his flaws and limitations. Just read about him still supporting Assad in Syria, which is unfortunate.

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link

Assad has the support of the majority of Syrians. I think external attempts at regime change, largely driven by Jews who want to see Syria balkanized is unfortunate.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link

I think it's unfortunate that Jews have such a disproportionate influence on US foreign policy.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link

The (Zionist dominated) US and its friends have been using terrorist proxy forces for the last several years to try to destroy Syria and you are whining about Assad. Thank god Russia was there to step in, even if for its own self-interested reasons.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link

Of course, the anti-Russian propaganda built up shortly after Russia's intervention. And the Jewish dominated western media fell into place, didn't it? Not Jewish dominated? Not Jewish pundits everywhere you look in the media when these issues are discussed?

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 February 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link

:-/

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link

maybe I've not paid close enough attention but I'm surprised (and obv disappointed) to see you come out with this antisemitic rubbish rudi

ogmor, Friday, 9 February 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link

Your anti-Semitism is disgusting, plus you don't have the facts right on Syria and who supports Assad and who doesn't

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 February 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link

well that certainly took a turn

mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link

agree w/ curmudgeon

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:00 (six years ago) link

it's gross

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link

Banned.

mod, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link

good

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link

thanks mods

sleeve, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link

sadly, the takeaway will likely be "it's unfortunate that Jews have such a disproportionate influence on ILX moderation."

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link

we were founded as a group of snake handlers, and we'll die as a group of snake handlers

mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

Correct call by mods, although he was one of the only folks here into salsa and bomba & other Afro-Latino genres, plus middle-eastern vocalists

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 February 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link

was rudipherous the same poster as rockist scientist?

if so i'll be really disappointed because i liked that guy

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link

I believe so :(

sleeve, Friday, 9 February 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link

This definitely isn't a first offence. I can remember some milder but still FP-worthy antisemitic nonsense from the same poster before. But that shit belongs in The Daily Mail comments section.

calzino, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link

he's a homophobe too fwiw

brimstead, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link

aye, that's him. I've seen him say stuff before on ilx but maybe not quite as explicit as this

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link

ugh

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link

Some years back he once nicely sent me a salsa mixtape, but sometime later, out of the blue, emailed to me a 9/11 conspiracy theory. Responded back that I wasn't interested and never heard from him direct again.

He was "Rockist Scientist" before. The Ulm Kulthum thread and a couple other threads largely feature posts from music he was listening to. Posted a fair amount on the most recent ILX top albums or tracks thread (and seemed to keep his focus there on the music ).

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link

I've always thought of him as a v good poster on ilm with fairly unique taste but it's disappointing to see him say what he has.

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link

^^ yeah agree w that, extremely disappointing

the late great, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link

wow this thread, jeeze.

ian, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link

i had somehow completely missed any red flag posts from him before. i think he's been on ilx longer than me and i started on here in 2005 maybe?

khat person (jim in vancouver), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link

When some ILM posters post about anything other than music, you sometimes realise you might have met them before on that bad trip you had through the 9 circles of hell, or The Comments Section as some would have it.

calzino, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link

You might want to check a thread called Butthole Surfers- Classic or dud? he seems troubled of late :(

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link

yeah maybe he had some kind of break

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link

ah, having just spied that butthole surfers thread he is definitely not a well man

khat person (jim in vancouver), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link

oh god i missed that thread revival but...yeah

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link

if anyone knows him irl it might be a good idea to check he's ok.

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link

Shit.

how's life, Friday, 9 February 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link

Apparently lives in Albuquerque. Formerly known as Rockist Scientist. Re-regged under this name in 2009.

how's life, Friday, 9 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link

see also R S LaRue (? ) for even more old school posts, I think

sleeve, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link

I did enjoy the Wassouf clip. And I will check in with Rudipherous (virtually).

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link

Yeesh, only just saw what was happening.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:42 (six years ago) link

that BS thread progression does not bode well

mh, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:53 (six years ago) link

The various Radio ones are my favorites actually. I never tire of them. They allow me to imagine i'm somewhere more exotic and interesting than Joliet, Illinois.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:08 (six years ago) link

Wow just read the last few posts and yeah the anti-Semitism caught me by surprise and is a major bummer. I guess i should check that Butts thread. The way you guys are talking makes me wonder if this may be another Bimble type situation. I hope not.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link

Wow! I really hope this guy will be o.k. That is a really odd read. Re: the butts thread

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link

i understand what dude said was kind of alarming and p vile, but is it really possible to care about someone's wellbeing while also instantly excommunicating and shunning them? would it be so bad to unban him and attempt to dialogue?

sleepingbag, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link

good question for the moderator request board

mh, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link

Suck my asshole, sleepingbag

khat person (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:04 (six years ago) link

Ack, I got into Shiina Ringo years ago because of the ILM thread, which Rudipherous was largely responsible for keeping alive.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link

he's been posting a long time and his music knowledge is deep; the thing this place has over specialist / focused lists is the ability to cross-reference completely across genre, it's the people who make the connective links between wildly different artists who make the deepest contributions and I hope he's ok

Milton Parker, Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link

thanks for checking in w/him, Sund4r

is it really possible to care about someone's wellbeing while also instantly excommunicating and shunning them?

yes, as long as lines of communication are kept open

would it be so bad to unban him and attempt to dialogue?

based on past board experiences with M March@nt and burt_stanton and others, I'd say "yes" here

Milton also otm

sleeve, Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:44 (six years ago) link

I haven't heard back from him, fwiw. If anyone is there irl or is in touch with him, maybe you'd want to check in idk?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 February 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link

Thanks for trying Sund4r. Does anyone know his irl name?

how's life, Sunday, 11 February 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link

Yes, feel free to email for it.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 February 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link

it sucks that this thread went this way as his wake-up post is OTM, I learned Wassouf's music on a long flight last year and it's astonishing stuff.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 11 February 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link

There is a blog linked in his user profile (if you click on the user name under the post). I'm presuming it's his. There are fresh posts as of today. The antisemitism goes back years. That's as far as I'm going to pursue this.

EDIT: There are aspects of the blog that may be disturbing and definitely NSFW.

mod, Monday, 12 February 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link

Christ, it's even worse than I thought.

pomenitul, Monday, 12 February 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link

fuck this arsehole.

calzino, Monday, 12 February 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link

there are loads of posters on ILX who are "on the edge". I couldn't care less if this prick decides to take himself out.

calzino, Monday, 12 February 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link

I stopped communicating with him a little over a year ago (until yesterday) and am disturbed by the blog's contents but I still FPd you for that.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 12 February 2018 02:06 (six years ago) link

probably a bit harsh an a rush of blood, but fuck him tbh.

calzino, Monday, 12 February 2018 02:09 (six years ago) link

I mean maybe some good folk can harbour International Jewish conspiracies, without being irredeemably shit people. But I've never met any yet.

calzino, Monday, 12 February 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link

shame abt the antisemitism and transphobia and homophobia bc he has eclectic taste in music

omar little, Monday, 12 February 2018 03:45 (six years ago) link

There is a blog linked in his user profile (if you click on the user name under the post). I'm presuming it's his. There are fresh posts as of today. The antisemitism goes back years. That's as far as I'm going to pursue this.

You might want to put a little NSFW warning here.

Dinsdale, Monday, 12 February 2018 06:29 (six years ago) link

Sorry if I came off as overly snarky in my last post but he's given me thinly veiled useless bigot creep vibes forever which I think were actually masked a bit even to myself by his world music expertise. I take his particular brand of bigotry a bit personally and he should never be allowed to return. May he find peace and enlightenment elsewhere.

omar little, Monday, 12 February 2018 07:30 (six years ago) link

Dinsdale: Thanks. I've amended the post.

Calzino: for fucks sake man.

mod, Monday, 12 February 2018 10:25 (six years ago) link


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