Kylie Minogue has breast cancer

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Dreadful news but I think it has been caught early.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4554035.stm

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I was wondering how long it would take for a thread about this to appear.

Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG. I hope she fully recovers.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Horrid shock. Get well soon, Kylie.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish the very best for Kylie!

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Second item on the 8am news on Radio 4.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

What was the first?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

First item on most of the news channels in Sydney, presumably the same the country over too. Was a fairly slow news day, though.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

:-( hope she is ok

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

What was the first?

Something about Queen being in i-D magazine. Didn't listen.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't remember what the first news item was. ID cards, I think, via the State Opening of Parliament and the continued abuse of that 'Do Not Pass the House of Lords' thing.

I was surprised to hear that Kylie is going to be 37 this month, which means I am too, whereas I thought I had been 37 all year.

I hope she gets well and then retires.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hopefully will recover. A good thing it was discovered at such an early state.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nme.com/news/112370.htm

glastonbury's out. who *on earth* can replace her?

not the zutons foer darn sure.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nme.com/news/112370.htm

glastonbury's out. who *on earth* can replace her?

not the zutons fer darn sure.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img127.echo.cx/img127/2961/kylie0zg.jpg

Should I be ashamed for being one of the first to think "Wow, this is a good way to cancel a 'world' tour that hasn't yet sold out - and due to start in two days - without pissing off a load of people?"

Apparently Scissor Sisters will replace her at Glastonbury.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Alternative universe news:

DANNII HAS CANCER

Street parties already under way

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, don't be a fuckwit. It's unbecoming.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

No sympathy for Nazis.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Dannii is not a Nazi. She's just not particularly.. um.. sharp, shall we say. (Oh, OK. She's thick.) Though the Tories were reading that interview, weren't they? Lovely person in real life, though, from what people tell me.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

where did u hear the scissor sisters story james?

piscesboy, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes I'm sure there are still 90-year-old Germans going about saying what a lovely boy that Adolf was and that they painted an unfair picture of him in the press, even though obviously any picture wouldn't have been as bad as the ones he painted himself.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

where did u hear the scissor sisters story james?

XFM. Though what do they know, eh?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

XFA.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoever replaces her should have it written into their contract that they do a Kylie covers set.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No, do a Seekers covers set, much more interesting.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't the Scissor Sisters entire career a Kylie covers set?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Apart from the one the Bee Gees are suing them for.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you serious?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh-huh-huh, as it were.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

glastonbury's out. who *on earth* can replace her?

Annie (From Norway)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

In your dreams.

Abba?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/features/wallpaper/images/800/goodies.jpg

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah yes, accompanied by the London Jazz Composers Orchestra, seeing as most of them were on their records.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mikestockmusic.com/sawpic12.jpg

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mikestockmusic.com/sawpic12.jpg

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Pete Waterman in that picture looks remarkably like Bernard Sumner.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Poor Kylie! I hope she does ok.

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be at Kylie's bedside during this whole ordeal, rest assured. They'll have to drag me away!

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

if they caught it early, this is a good sign. my mom had breast cancer and they caught it early (when she was 45) and she pulled through just fine.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh my god :( terrible news.

I hope she gets through this and fully recovers.

free pat (adr), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope she had them insured...

ihope (ihope), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Putting your foot in it:

Guide to youth

Priscilla Kwateng
Saturday May 14, 2005
The Guardian

Say anything bad about Kylie and you may as well claim the Pope spends his Sundays reading Asian Babes on the loo. You just don't diss on the Little Miss. It's simple maths, see: one part sexpot and 10 parts girl-next-door equals a star that almost every demographic warms to. And almost every demographic attended her concert last week: we're talking the gays, the girls, the mums, the dads, the grandmas, and more than a few agog grandads. You could feel the love, baby.

Funny, then, that the only person who looked like she wasn't having a good time was Kylie herself. She was a bit like - and this is the last smutty reference, I promise - someone having sex who makes the right noises and all but, given the choice, would rather be doing something else. Zero warmth, no connection with her adoring audience. Which is all a shame, because this show really was spectacular. Unfortunately, if I never believed Kylie was quitting before, I think I do now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1482155,00.html

se3_uk (se3_uk), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Kylie's breasts will be in my prayers.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Saw this on the news last night. :(

I think she'll get through this (the woman's nothing if not a trooper) but I still wish her all the best, and hopes she gets back on her feet soon.

Roz (Roz), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Priscilla Kwateng OTM, actually.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, of course, this is not quite the time to come up with anything negative about her at all. First of all, she needs to recover.

Personally, I have quite liked some of the tracks on her last couple of albums, while I have hated most of the tracks on the last couple of Britney Spears albums, but it isn't like I would have hoped Britney Spears would have died, or at least lost her breast, if she was the one who had caught breast cancer.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"Minor pop singer becomes ill. World turns over on its side and goes back to sleep"

As with the recent nauseating premature hagiography surrounding John Paul II, I do not see why illness should prevent anyone from saying anything about someone simply because he or she is a "celebrity."

Do we really give a shit whether Kylie Minogue has breast cancer or not? I don't. Why should I? I don't know her. She's not a member of my family or a close friend. Do you imagine she gives a flying fuck of any of us? Did I miss the posts she made on the threads about Nick K or about Mark S' mum?

She is a mediocre media creation and probably, in private, as right-wing as her stupider sister. Here K merely stands for Kapitalism - and the shameful kowtowing given to her on account of Her Illness and Nothing Else merely makes us more malleable passive recipients of State Pop. Her statue must be kicked down, smashed up and trampled upon as surely as that of Saddam's.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Stop posting under Marcello's login, Fisher

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello or whoever you are... you can eat shit. i have had the pleasure of meeting her a few times and she is nothing but warm and sincere and I am quite sure that if she knew any of these lads mums she would give a shit. what are you a madonna fanatic or some other "hip-for-the-trendoids" girl group lover who disses kylie but runs home to put on your annie cd every night so you can dress up in your girlfriends bra and pretend you're a superstar? i am sure if any of your favorite bands came down with constipation you would be holding candlelight vigils by their loos waiting for the first sign of a healthy shit. i care about her getting better because i care about anyone who suffers at the hands of cancer and if you can't understand that then you are a fuck who should shut the hell up every once and while and think of someone other than yourself and your little circle of friends. why someone as negative and spiteful had to put such posts just floors me. is it some sort of empowerment moment? does it make you feel good? is your cock really that small?? i wish i had a statue of you right now to kick down, smash up and trample on. you useless self-righteous fuck.

claires bionic arm, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that the best you can do? Somewhat lacking in chetif.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The rage of entrapment expressed by Kapitalist anti-meritocratic slaves is less than bewildering to behold, like a wasp stuck on top of an open jar of Marmite.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Leave off Marcello. Claire, take a deep breath. Now shake hands the two of you and let's never mention this again.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

FISHER

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure she'll be all right, based on what some news stories were saying. My mom is visiting right now and she was reading some of the stories with interest and she said, based on her own experiences, it looks like the sort of thing that was caught in time.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello, you are somewhat lacking in soul and i wish you all the worst in life. SWAK.

claires bionic arm, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and since when did i need to prove myself to a cretin like yourself on some message board. if i am going to waste energy on someone it will be a little more worth my time...

claires bionic arm, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

LOL!

It is sad, if all too predictable, to witness digital slaves floundering against the innate and full realisation of their irreversible imprisonment.

Clearly, our "friend" Claire (gender negotiable, I daresay) considers it worthier of his/her time to waste energy on a simulacrum like Kylie Minogue. Naturally (lol "naturally"!) she is "nothing but warm and sincere." Of course she is "nothing"; we have already established that. Of course she would be "warm" and "sincere" to her consumers, in the same way that a waitress or a hairdresser is obliged to be "warm" and "sincere" to their customers, as the latter are paying them to do so. Were you to waylay her in the King's Road at 2:30 pm on a Saturday, her eyes would flit with blank panic and her security people would emerge from their strategically placed tables in the Bluebird Cafe, escort you away roughly and advise you of the ill-wisdom behind your attempt.

The remainder of "Claire"'s posts are a laughably pitiful simulacrum of rage, as our consumer has become irrevocably embittered by the fact that s/he has been compelled by the customs officers of State Pop to direct the quantities of love, affection and caring within him/her towards someone in whom they have no direct investment. It is the same Kapitalist pseudo-emotional blackmail endemic which blossomed, like a weed, following the self-willed death of the severed slut Spencer, whereby anyone who did not express the correct amount of grief in the correct (viz. fashionable) style was briefly eligible for conversion at the hands of the deluded lynch mob.

Of course it is part of the Kapitalist "ethic" that we are convinced that transferring our emotions from those who deserve it most, namely our friends and families, towards "celebrities." This helps numb the inherent pain felt by Kapitalist slaves who are openly encouraged to spend more time at work and less time with the people for whom they should care. The emotions can be diverted and the slaves made to feel that these emotions have not been wasted or expunged in any way. It is compensation for losing your most intimate and vital connection of the world in order to service The Market - consider the current kerfuffle over the proposed 48-hour working week limit, on the grounds that we "need" to be competitive with the slave labour workforces of China and India. The same arguments were used against Wilberforce when he argued for the abolition of slavery.

Remember, Kapitalism (and its State Pop manifestation Kylie) has only one purpose; to reward those it wants to. And very few others besides.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 19 May 2005 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

shocka - queen somewhat agrees with Marcello. My beef, and perhap's M's, is with the large amount of attendant media bullshit that has gone on, and people of all walks of life raushed on to the tv to talk about how much kylie has changed their lives, what will she have to do to beat her breasts with the cancer in them - I mean, for fuck's sake people, it's the only thing she's done in twenty years that makesher look anything like ahuman being, the rest is a bunCh of bloated pop freaks who have little frontal lobe/short-term memory left and all they can recall is the sound of a talent-deprived ho with an ass being on the radio when they popped all the e's in the nineties.

Queen Getherfuckinfaceoffamytv, Thursday, 19 May 2005 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

so we shouldn't feel any empathy for any person we don't know personally, even if they've perhaps been responsible for creating something we've enjoyed in the past? aren't all public figures, even ones who have done nothing but good work, a creation of the media and no better or worse than any of the rest of us? no more deserving of attention? by this rationale, by this theory of "distraction by tragedy", no one is worthy that we do not personally know? not aid workers in Iraq, not pop stars, not murder victims, not genocide victims? Only those absolutely closest to us are those we should reserve any empathy for?

and if not, what makes someone worthy of empathy that we do not know? perhaps Kylie Minogue isn't, maybe she is, I reckon that we're not all the same and what she means to some people, for better or for worse, might be nothing more than a foreign, theoretical concept to others. I've got no reason to doubt Claire(s) experiences, she probably is a reasonably decent person who represents great pop music to some and the downfall of society to others. That can be debated.

At the center of it is someone who just might be a little terrified now, and having known someone who has gone through this sort of ordeal, I know how scary it can be to that person and those close to him or her.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 19 May 2005 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

so we shouldn't feel any empathy for any person we don't know personally, even if they've perhaps been responsible for creating something we've enjoyed in the past? aren't all public figures, even ones who have done nothing but good work, a creation of the media and no better or worse than any of the rest of us? no more deserving of attention? by this rationale, by this theory of "distraction by tragedy", no one is worthy that we do not personally know? not aid workers in Iraq, not pop stars, not murder victims, not genocide victims? Only those absolutely closest to us are those we should reserve any empathy for?

The common mistake you are committing here is confusing "empathy" with "sympathy." We can feel the former for those who are "absolutely closest to us," but only sympathy - genuine, perhaps, but ultimately impersonal - for people we do not know. Are we supposed to empathise with every murder or genocide victim? That would be absurd. What happens is that we semi-emphasise against the constructs of murder and genocide, insofar as our revulsion for the latter defines any sympathy we might feel for their victims. "Empathy" for people we do not know is, by definition, a falsehood.

At the center of it is someone who just might be a little terrified now, and having known someone who has gone through this sort of ordeal, I know how scary it can be to that person and those close to him or her.

Having been married to someone who has gone through this sort of ordeal and did not survive it, and working in an environment where the issue of cancer is something I face on a daily basis, I do not need to be told how scary or terrifying cancer can be. Does feeling a million times sorrier for Laura than for Kylie make me a million times less of a human being? Of course not.

I expect Kylie is probably shit scared. But so are a million other people in this country who have cancer and don't get the headline/faux-sympathy treatment. Are we supposed to exhaust our unreplenishable reserves of empathy for every human being who contracts cancer? How would we be expected to function as human beings if we did?

I didn't feel anything for the victims of 9/11. It was only two weeks after Laura died. Does that make me Beelzebub, or just honest?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 19 May 2005 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

well one can indeed empathize with one they don't know, taking the definitions "identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives" or even "the attribution of one's own feelings to an object", which is essentially what a celebrity like Kylie Minogue is to anyone who doesn't know her. it's probably both empathy ("I understand what she's going through/I'm projecting my own experiences onto someone I don't know") and aympathy, in a way. or perhaps I'm wrong. It's rather late.

whatever the definition, I would say people having some sort of emotional reaction to the possible suffering of another human being, one that they've identified with in the past for other reasons, is not something pathetic, but understandable. she's just like anyone else of course, except higher profile. more people know who she is. They feel like they know her (which is how people react to celebrities: passing judgement on their private lives, personalities, political beliefs, etc) so they feel personally affected. That's life.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 19 May 2005 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The use of the word "probably" in your first paragraph indicates the confusion, because we DON'T actually know Minogue's situation, feeling or motives - so how can any rational person hope to empathise with that? However, "the attribution of one's own feelings to an object" is an extremely appropriate definition in this context, and one which I find deplorable. The fact that people "feel like they know her" indicates the deeper, more troublesome communal cancer which stops humanity from ever getting anywhere, except down the drain.

We need far less Kylie and far more cold rationalism.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 19 May 2005 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Kylie has been helpful to me in a professional capacity and she's a solid, nice person who makes an effort to put people at ease - or at least did so with the novice performers we were working with. With this diagnosis, she could have easily hidden away and said nowt, but it didn't surprise me in the least that she chose to publicise her diagnosis.

Most women Kylie's age don't check themselves enough and her announcement can only be a reminder for her peers/age group/whatever to GET ONE CHECKUP. I don't really think there's anything else to it.


suzy (suzy), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

1) I understand how you feel overall re: the media coverage, because I've felt much the same over different stories, i.e. attractive white women disappearing in this country and the attendant hype over their fates, Arnold(!) running my state based on a few action movies and a carefully orchestrated set of one-liners masquerading as speeches, Schiavo, etc. It's all a bunch of distraction/bait-n-switch bullshit, while slipping under the radar are 100k dead Iraqis and a society too stubborn to see that its relentless infatuation with celebrity is fueling its decline and coarsening our collective psyche, or something like that.

2) i disagree because I don't think feeling empathy/sympathy for Kylie is a bad thing, and thoroughly understandable, especially since she's involved in an art form that thrives on involving the listener in the performer's emotional process, even if it's as simple a sentiment as "come and dance with me" or something along those lines. so it makes sense that people would take it to the next level when it comes to said performer's real life troubles. a little spooky, when thought about in a coldly rational sense, but understandable. And of course some good might come of this, in some indirect way.

(admittedly, the only musician/celebrity whose demise would depress me thoroughly and completely at this point is Sarah Cracknell's, which is probably due not to my identifying with/objectifying her, but rather how she seems to identify with the listener through lyrics and through vocal delivery. that's for a Saint etienne thread, though...)

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I laughed the day John Peel died.

Felt nowt. Proud of it.

David Merryweather (DavidM), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Laughing and feeling proud constitute a negation of the concept of feeling nothing.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Why exactly did you laugh?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

People have the right to feel sorry for, or not feel sorry for, whoever they want.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

There are still people alive who feel sorry for Oswald Mosley.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry i have not responded sooner, i actually have things to do in my life outside of this board. some points...

first, gender is male. my screen name is derived from a posting on twisted nerve about the lead singer of my favorite band Mum and Dad , Claire Pearson having a bionic arm. it has stuck as a screen name ever since as i like it.

second, there is no rage behind my texts. i very rarely exhibit rage. that was just mildly aggravated. rage is saved for people who actually deserve it. i was taught that a long time ago, direct rage when it is appropriate and will actually serve some good. i have exhibited rage when i was threatened on a subway car for being gay. i exhibited rage when a friend of mine was ostracized from his family due to him contracting aids. raging against you marcello would be a waste of my effort because you will always assume you know so much about everyone from three or four sentences on a web board and that you are so worldwise living behind four walls and your computer screen, which my dear is a laugh.

third, i am hardly wasting energy... i actually have a bit too much energy to be quite honest. i feel for a lot of things simultaneously. I feel bad that she has developed breast cancer as i would anyone else that i would come in contact with or hear about being diagnosed with cancer. i am not de-sensitized in the least. i still remember hearing that a friend of mine was stabbed to death by her husband even though there was a court order against him to not go within 500 yards of her. i still remember the day that my grandmother died and my grandfather and my father and my mates father. these fleeting rememberances and feelings do not detract from my life or consume, in fact that help fuel my anger drive against indifference and lack of money going into medical research etc, etc, etc... i have enough time for all these things and all the other things that rotate in my mind but, i do not have time for bitterness towards any human being or living creature in general that suffers in any way. it matters not whether they are famous or not famous, the fact is that they have a disease that could potentially kill them and yes marcello, i find that sad, whether it is kylie or not.

fourth, i do not prescribe to any one belief on economic matters as they are all flawed in some manner or another. left and right are hardly ever correct in any belief pattern. it is the minuscule percentage of people who travel, look and pay attention to everything and formulate a balanced opinion of all angles that are the wise ones. i sit and watch all of it sometimes and just laugh at the deluded nature of it all. it is truly to laugh.

fifth, how can you preach so much about kapitalism and belief systems when you have been married? you bought into the world's biggest bullshit institution ever created. a belief that somehow a little piece of paper between you and your wife and a service makes you somehow more "defined". not to mention the absolute capitalist slant that weddings have... money, money, money, the bigger the better. ridiculous sums on outfits, rings, invites, church services, paying for liscences etc... think twice.

sixth point, i would never put more feelings into a celebrity's illness, crisis etc... than i would my own family and friends. that is a laugh. ask my father-in-law who just died of lung and brain cancer how much i didn't care. ask my grandmother who just died last year while suffering from dementia how much i didn't feel for her. i mean i am so numb thanks to pop culture apparently. i should also mention the time spent in NYC counseling AIDS patients. maybe i shouldn't have done that. i mean they were mostly total strangers and people that most likely deserved it, right marcello? fuck all those people, the people at 9/11, the people that died as a result of the tsunami, the people that have suffered in holocausts that are yet to even be recognized. shit, fuck them all! i mean, i don't know them. if that is not the most deluded belief system i have ever heard anyone side up to then i have yet to hear it marcello. my friends and family will always take number one priority. this, however, does not make me feel that i shouldn't care for others in the world that suffer at the injustices and disasters that rotate around them at an ever accelerating rate, do you??

i am not looking for rewards from these people, (pop stars/media stars/artists etc, oh and i was very sad when mario merz passed away in 2003, was i wrong for that too, i mean he was only some pointless artist) i demand nothing from them. i am happy to have the moments that they provide me away from the daunting bullshit of the world and that is all. i put all my serious effort into my friends and family and my mate of 11 years. know someone before you sling accusations educated one...

claires bionic arm, Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

How is THAT not rage?

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

it isn't. honestly. i wrote that while talking with some co-workers. people get way too worked up, i don't. i state my feelings and "rage" takes a long time to come into the picture. i can't understand why people think otherwise. strange.

claires bionic arm, Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

raging against you marcello would be a waste of my effort because you will always assume you know so much about everyone from three or four sentences on a web board and that you are so worldwise living behind four walls and your computer screen, which my dear is a laugh.

I agree with the first line of that part, except delete "you will always assume." And presumably you know so much about Minogue from a few records, DVDs and magazines. You don't actually know Minogue, just as you don't know me and I don't know you. So why should I care?

How dare you use your family and friend tragedies as a crutch with which to beat (fruitlessly) those who choose not to subscribe to the State Pop view of Minogue as a goddess, rather than an Australian of negligible talent whose success has largely been due to what men have done for, or to, her.

left and right are hardly ever correct in any belief pattern

Such words are usually code for "I'm right wing but ashamed to admit it."

fifth, how can you preach so much about kapitalism and belief systems when you have been married? you bought into the world's biggest bullshit institution ever created. a belief that somehow a little piece of paper between you and your wife and a service makes you somehow more "defined". not to mention the absolute capitalist slant that weddings have blub blub blub

Oh behave yourself. If it had been made legal you would have done it years ago.

i mean i am so numb thanks to pop culture apparently.

No apparently about it. It's the truth.

fuck all those people, the people at 9/11, the people that died as a result of the tsunami, the people that have suffered in holocausts that are yet to even be recognized. shit, fuck them all! i mean, i don't know them. if that is not the most deluded belief system i have ever heard anyone side up to then i have yet to hear it marcello. my friends and family will always take number one priority. this, however, does not make me feel that i shouldn't care for others in the world that suffer at the injustices and disasters that rotate around them at an ever accelerating rate, do you??

With these crass, sentimental sentiments you reveal yourself as a willing victim of Kapitalism, the very system which is single-handedly responsible for creating the "injustices and disasters" about which you grieve so gallingly. You use tsunamis and holocausts as a blank canvas upon which to splatter your spleen of smouldering resentment. You deploy such memes to disguise, in the vain hope of obviating, the prison into which you walked so gladly.

i demand nothing from them. i am happy to have the moments that they provide me away from the daunting bullshit of the world and that is all.

Precisely. So they shouldn't be demanding anything from me, should they?

i put all my serious effort into my friends and family and my mate of 11 years.

Posting long rants of this nature makes me dubious of the term "all my serious effort."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:02 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello otm!

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

but also mean and contrary.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this the same Marcello Carlin whose blog I spent a great deal of time reading, feeling such perverse emotions as "sympathy" or even "empathy"?

Not entirely sure why I bothered.

matters, Friday, 20 May 2005 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Bye then.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

fucks sakes...kylie mnogue? i like some of her records. its sad for her and her family. 36 women are diagnosed with breast cancer every day in australia

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

every day... i hope they all survive with a good life.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

36 new threads every day pls. i don't give a shit about non aussies.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Cancer Research say that their financial donations have escalated considerably this week following the news, so I suppose it's been of some use, even though, needless to say, this money should be provided by the Government as a matter of course.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

is your contention is that no celebrity/person you don't know in real life is worth wasting emotion on? Or is it something that is a case-by-case basis, determined by the person's cultural/political/artistic significance?

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

turn it around. forget the clebrity angle. are any of those 36 women worth wasting emotion on. has it got to do with the person's cultural/political/artistic significance.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure they're all worth it and if their stories were splashed across the front pages I have no doubt they'd have some sort of following watching their cases closely (cf. terri schiavo/Ryan White). the way the cultural climate is, no one would have to be a popstar to garner a mass outpouring of well-wishers, they'd just have to be thrust into the spotlight.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:58 (twenty-one years ago)

also, Kylie wasn't propped up by men. Cathy Dennis is no man!

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember the thing about people shedding tears at Diana's funeral who couldn't bring themselves to shed tears for members of their own family? Can't remember who wrote or said that, but it's the concept of a counterfeit community created for Kapitalistic ends which irks me - see the final verse of "Sorted For Es And Whizz" for a brilliant summary of how rapidly such a "community" falls apart once the need for transient satisfaction has been fulfilled.

Or the chap I saw, the week after Diana's death, who was ordered to leave and manhandled out of WH Smith's in Oxford Street because of criticising the Elton John single while talking with his mate in the shop.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

The late Michael Hutchence might have had something to say about that contention...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to mention that Marcello's comment about men doing things for, or to her, is appallingly Hongro-esque. I guess we do become the thing we hate.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Hutchence discovered Cathy Dennis' dick?

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

That's no way to talk about Rob Davis.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

has there ever been a "celebrity X is ill/dying/dead" type thread that didn't somehow evolve into a "we shouldn't give a fuck about celebrities" thread? i don't particularly feel anything about this news apart from "that's too bad" (the same thing i'd say about anyone in this situation: "that's too bad" does not automatically translate into "i'm personally devastated by this news"), but if you ask me, "save your empathy for the handful of ppl you actually know" is as reactionary and inhuman(e) a concept as anything the reaganites ever spat out in the '80s.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It is always symptomatic of digital slaves of Kapitalism that they refract their own illnesses upon the mirrors of their opponents. The concept of the kollektive is not compatible with a sealed-off community; rather, a self-sufficient one which can survive without needing to lean on the crutches of easy emotionalism mistaken as a vital component of addressing the world.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

its all so us and them.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

No, it is US not needing THEM to confirm OUR existence.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello i can't tell when yr playing no more

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"I agree with the first line of that part, except delete "you will always assume." And presumably you know so much about Minogue from a few records, DVDs and magazines."

-i never said that i "knew" her. i stated that i met her a few times and that she was very genuine, which i still believe. it is very easy to pick things up like that from people upon first meeting, at least for me. i don't believe that just because they are part of some corporate pop moment that they are "bad" people. get off your throne.


"How dare you use your family and friend tragedies as a crutch with which to beat (fruitlessly) those who choose not to subscribe to the State Pop view of Minogue as a goddess, rather than an Australian of negligible talent whose success has largely been due to what men have done for, or to, her."

-i was not using them as a crutch but apparently you had made so many judgements about me because i felt a degree of symphathy with kylie and apparently was numb to any feelings for my family/friends that i needed to bring forth such statements. i, however, did not enjoy it. i also don't view kylie as a goddess. diamanda has been my goddess since i was 13. i discovered her thanks to my friends. i also never discussed her, kylie, talent to any great degree, you are once again assuming. i think her voice is actually quite good, i studied and trained vocally for 3 years and continue to sing on my own. however, i don't put my whole life into her.

"Such words are usually code for "I'm right wing but ashamed to admit it.""

-is that really the best that you can come up with. did you read that in a magazine? that is the weakest statement that i have heard from you and quite honestly most of them have been. silly, childish, one-sided and a blind opinion.

"Oh behave yourself. If it had been made legal you would have done it years ago."

-um, no actually i would not. it has been legal here for a year and my partner and i had said we would never buy it into the "straight way". i, unlike a lot of gay men, have no desire to buy into that charade. oh well, another strike for you. :)

"No apparently about it. It's the truth."

-another broad statement with no real understanding of who i am to base it upon. sad... maybe all these people that you hang out with on this board think that is a grand retort when actually it is weak. it's akin to saying... "yeah, well, so's yer mum!" what do you know of the truth of me anyway. i am making accusations about you based on concrete statemetns you have posted, not however speculation.

"With these crass, sentimental sentiments you reveal yourself as a willing victim of Kapitalism, the very system which is single-handedly responsible for creating the "injustices and disasters" about which you grieve so gallingly. You use tsunamis and holocausts as a blank canvas upon which to splatter your spleen of smouldering resentment. You deploy such memes to disguise, in the vain hope of obviating, the prison into which you walked so gladly."

-i'm doubling over in pain on this one... really i am. this is the most hilarious spray of piss it has been my misfortune to read. you really need to stop reading so many conspiracy mags. LOL! once again, knowing so little and judging so much... i am going to have my partner read this sometime he will have a serious laugh. he is correct when he says 80% of the world are idiots that spout more than they know or understand. i think you may be able to start your own kingdom on this count.

i walk in no prison either, i have spent my life feeling on the outside. there is a difference between genuinely feeling on the outside and fabricating opinions to make yourself feel as if you are on the outside, something of which you should know a lot about.

it's funny how you have picked certain parts of my email to twist into someway for you to batter me down rather than discuss the things that i have done. aids activism, cancer patient care, gay youth counseling etc... what have you done?? sat at your pulpit spewing sermons to persons who lap up your every hateful word?

"Precisely. So they shouldn't be demanding anything from me, should they?"

-i never stated that they were demanding anything from you nor do i think that you should give them anything, however when you are coming forth with hate to someone who is ill that is perverse, full stop.

"Posting long rants of this nature makes me dubious of the term "all my serious effort.""

-please, that took all of 10 minutes, at work, on my break... i had already spoken to my mates. i was bored as my lunch mate was on the phone with his girlfriend... plus any oppurtunity to argue with someone as self-righteous as you is always worth my effort and my friends and family appreciate it, you see it is a personal cause to extinguish self-righteous rattle as yours. and this took another 10.

claires bionic arm, Friday, 20 May 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, did you feel the same when Peel died and we were subjected to rose-tinted eulogies of the cunt which assumed that EVERYONE in the country ADORED him for weeks and weeks? This is not very different, except obviously Peel meant a lot to some people and Kylie means a lot to others.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

LOL!

-i never said that i "knew" her. i stated that i met her a few times and that she was very genuine, which i still believe. it is very easy to pick things up like that from people upon first meeting, at least for me. i don't believe that just because they are part of some corporate pop moment that they are "bad" people. get off your throne.

She gave you a couple of autographs. So what?

"Such words are usually code for "I'm right wing but ashamed to admit it.""

-is that really the best that you can come up with. did you read that in a magazine? that is the weakest statement that i have heard from you and quite honestly most of them have been. silly, childish, one-sided and a blind opinion.

In other words, you agree with the statement in question.

-um, no actually i would not. it has been legal here for a year and my partner and i had said we would never buy it into the "straight way". i, unlike a lot of gay men, have no desire to buy into that charade. oh well, another strike for you. :)

Is it the two peas and a chip problem, as Gertrude Stein once remarked of Hemingway?

-another broad statement with no real understanding of who i am to base it upon. sad... maybe all these people that you hang out with on this board think that is a grand retort when actually it is weak. it's akin to saying... "yeah, well, so's yer mum!" what do you know of the truth of me anyway. (sic) i am making accusations about you based on concrete statemetns (sic) you have posted, not however speculation.

You have to understand that you cannot hope to progress any further as a sentient human being until you abandon this Kapitalist illusion which you bear upon your shoulder like a cross made of tinsel and tungsten. You must engage with the kollektivist notion, abandon spurious emotions and acknowledge that courtly love - given to and received from your fellow kollektivists - must be embraced in order for you to survive.

i walk in no prison either, i have spent my life feeling on the outside.

Thus do you fail to discern the crucial difference and conflict between those two statements. Commence feeling things on the inside instead of wearing them like a battered Better Badge which screams "I CARE!" in red lipstick, just to avoid being hanged.

-i never stated that they were demanding anything from you nor do i think that you should give them anything, however when you are coming forth with hate to someone who is ill that is perverse, full stop.

LOL! I come forth with INDIFFERENCE, rather than hate.

"i was bored... plus any oppurtunity (sic) to argue with someone as self-righteous as you is always worth my effort and my friends and family appreciate it, you see it is a personal cause to extinguish self-righteous rattle as yours. and this took another 10.

So much for "all my serious effort" then. "You see it is a personal cause to extinguish..." Thus you condemn yourself and expose yourself as yet another gleeful lever-puller at Dachau. Now toddle off back to your next KKK meeting. It really is dull having to spell the obvious out to a brain as meagre as yours.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

Explain why Peel was a "cunt."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Julie B does it better than I could.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(I am not bothered either way about Peel, who had zero impact on my life, so don't intend to argue forcefully)

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt quite a pang (on a personal level) at the passing of both John Peel and Dave Godin, and also at the more recent passing of Artie Shaw - granted he was 94, but he was one of the last living links to that swing era that Laura and I loved so much. So, as usual, I'm mourning less for the people themselves, but for the relationship which they had (indirectly) on our own lives.

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), January 17th, 2005.

I think that last sentence is otm re: the way people react to celebrity death/tragedy.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

or rather the reasons why people react the way that they do.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello you make me laugh... you have provided me with more moments of humour than anyone possibly could. thanks. don't forget your hood... we'll meet up before hand. giggle.

claires bionic arm, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Explain why John Peel was a "cunt" without the wearisome and predictable reference to a biased and libellous newspaper column which has long since been proved inaccurate.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

More importantly, her operation came out well apparently. Hopefully she's gotten rid of the cancer by now.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 23 May 2005 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do you care and why is it more important? This is lax and thoughtless thinking.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

personally, I found Peel very irritating. that, however, is not my point - my point was that the people who care about Kylie now do so for much the same reasons as the people who cared about Peel did then. and if you understand the latter then you already understand the former.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 23 May 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

that's sort of why I cited your post above, Marcello. You too have felt similar feelings for people you've never know. Were you right or were those feelings you felt weak and a product of a corrupt society?

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"So, as usual, I'm mourning less for the people themselves, but for the relationship which they had (indirectly) on our own lives."

Is this guy fucking kidding... after the riot act that he read to Claire posts back, he has the nerve to come back with this one. Was this not what Claire was speaking of?? I don't remember him saying more than that he felt for her because of the situation. This guy feels a pang for Peel and shits on people for feeling the same for Kylie. This has to be a joke. This guy is a fucking clown and for anyone else not to see it, they are as bad as him. ASS-HAT!

Alex, summed it up...

Marcello, you are poison.

p.s. Right on Gear! Take this fuck down.

edward, Monday, 23 May 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Could you repeat that in English, please?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)


Could you repeat that in English, please?

ha ha that's good. Especially coming from the man who wrote: It is always symptomatic of digital slaves of Kapitalism that they refract their own illnesses upon the mirrors of their opponents. The concept of the kollektive is not compatible with a sealed-off community; rather, a self-sufficient one which can survive without needing to lean on the crutches of easy emotionalism mistaken as a vital component of addressing the world.

But you're obviously joking. Right?

Else Orwell to thread.

lee (lee ward), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

How sad an indication of the general subliteracy of ILx posters that they think that, after "reading the riot act" to an irksome troll on 20 May, I "came back" with a comment which I made on 17 January. Perhaps they think that Tardis temporal elasticity also applies to this board.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

bad news : kylie won't die

dason jonovan, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is that bad news? Don't be so ridiculous. Why is not being bothered one way or the other considered such a heinous crime?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"Do we really give a shit whether Kylie Minogue has breast cancer or not? I don't. Why should I? I don't know her. She's not a member of my family or a close friend. Do you imagine she gives a flying fuck of any of us? Did I miss the posts she made on the threads about Nick K or about Mark S' mum?

She is a mediocre media creation and probably, in private, as right-wing as her stupider sister. Here K merely stands for Kapitalism - and the shameful kowtowing given to her on account of Her Illness and Nothing Else merely makes us more malleable passive recipients of State Pop. Her statue must be kicked down, smashed up and trampled upon as surely as that of Saddam's."

This isn't being bothered one way or another???


Regardless of whether or not you made that post in January or the previous decade or two days ago regarding John Peel, the fact is that it still proves that you had feelings for the death of somebody that you didn't know. Which is exactly what Claire stated about Kylie. You however, then went on to make critical judgements about his beliefs etc. without even knowing the man, you then talk about him going to the KKK and pulling a lever at dachau, and yet you know nothing about him. One should never throw such images around lightly, the torturers of Nazi Germany should never be inferred to, especially for some petty argument.

You Marcello sound more like a Nazi than anyone else on this thread; flexing your "assumed" and biased intellect, judging others by the people that they have compassion for... hmmmm sounds like another disgruntled individual who sought to "correct" all the things that "he" felt were wrong.

I think you are the irksome troll here Marcello.

edward, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

and she'll be replaced at glasto by...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/news/altnews/050524_glastonbury.shtml

piscesboy, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

It is always symptomatic of digital slaves of Kapitalism that they refract their own illnesses upon the mirrors of their opponents. The concept of the kollektive is not compatible with a sealed-off community; rather, a self-sufficient one which can survive without needing to lean on the crutches of easy emotionalism mistaken as a vital component of addressing the world.

i bet you ayn rand plays Magic: The Gathering!

firstworldman (firstworldman), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is not being bothered one way or the other considered such a heinous crime?

Marcello, there's nothing wrong about you not caring about Kylie. The problem lies on the contradictory arguments you use to condemn the stance those who do care, which you seem to try to reinforce with provocative comments like

an Australian of negligible talent whose success has largely been due to what men have done for, or to, her

that are, you must admit, entirely subjective.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Nonsense. Her success was due to the songs which Stock, Aitken and Waterman, and then Nick Cave, and then the Pet Shop Boys, and then Rob Davis wrote and/or produced for her, and also for her highly-publicised relationships with Jason Donovan and Michael Hutchence. Fact.

Regardless of whether or not you made that post in January or the previous decade or two days ago regarding John Peel, the fact is that it still proves that you had feelings for the death of somebody that you didn't know. Which is exactly what Claire stated about Kylie. You however, then went on to make critical judgements about his beliefs etc. without even knowing the man, you then talk about him going to the KKK and pulling a lever at dachau, and yet you know nothing about him. One should never throw such images around lightly, the torturers of Nazi Germany should never be inferred to, especially for some petty argument.

You Marcello sound more like a Nazi than anyone else on this thread; flexing your "assumed" and biased intellect, judging others by the people that they have compassion for... hmmmm sounds like another disgruntled individual who sought to "correct" all the things that "he" felt were wrong.

I think you are the irksome troll here Marcello.

-- edward (icantsto...), May 24th, 2005.

This is a very poor effort. Using well-known people as a conduit for the transduction of FEELINGS ABOUT PEOPLE CLOSER TO ME is not concomitant with having feelings for their death. As with most of the other digital Kapitalist cretins on this board, you are incapable of distinguishing the term "fact" in meaning from the term "your (i.e. your) perspective." Unfortunately I know everything about Arm, or at least everything I need to know about Arm, which latter is clearly of greater consequence than the former.

The problem is that no one on this board has any real compassion for Kylie Minogue, and nor should they be expected to feel compassion for someone who doesn't know any of us, doesn't care about any of us, would get her guards to show us the door if we made the slightest attempt to approach her. If they are so deficient in genuine humanity and feel "real" compassion for this Kapitalist kash kow then they are deluded and are being hoodwinked, which is of course part of the tried-and-tested course of Kapitalist enslavement and converts us into tortured monkeys in hell.

Needless to say, were the concept of the kollektive to be properly embraced, then there would be no need to pretend to care, or worse, care for worthless "celebrities."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

behind every successful woman there is a man or team of men behind her.
p.s. do we care kylie wrote love traffic for dannii . it was not good.

schlock,aching and watering can, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, go away little man, you make me tired...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

"you are incapable of distinguishing the term "fact" in meaning from the term "your (i.e. your) perspective.""

...and you are as well. Go lead your pathetic life somewhere where you can not infect anyone else with your poison.

"behind every successful woman there is a man or team of men behind her."

(Schlock) This is absolutely unbearable and I hope that maybe the Black Leather Beavers visit your house this evening. :)

edward, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

LOL!!!

I'm afraid that your masturbatory fantasy will have to remain exactly that...and that is what you are really raging against.

I'm not going anywhere, so I suggest if you don't like it you emigrate to a less intellectually challenging message board elsewhere on the internet, wherein you can howl "Kylie RoXoR!" thousands of times in a row. Nevertheless you remain a tortured monkey in hell, and thus a hindrance to our kollektivist dream. You will find no support for your Kapitalist crutch here. Goodbye.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, you seem like just the sort of chap who might be able to shed some light here. Can you help?

Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

mmore to the point, what's with all this sub-k-punk 'kapitalist slave' shit?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

I use it as a direct reference to Marx and Engels' "kapitalisten" as it draws attention to the word from which it derives, namely "kaput," which is of course, in a different definitional sense, what we anti-Kapitalists wish to make it; in a subsidiary sense, the aim is to remove all of the meek compromise, deference and middleground mediocrity which are among the inevitable by-products of a Kapitalist system.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, so it's a put on!

N_RQ, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

In this specific context it means:

- No tolerance for mediocrity.
- No false sympathy for digital Kapitalist operatives who have done nothing with their existence to justify compassion on our behalf.
- No transferring of emotions because we are made by Kapitalist konstrukts to feel guilty and base for feeling said emotions for people who actually matter to us.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

so i'm right, you're taking the piss? couldn't you do it on dissensus?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you do that yourself on Dissensus, and to equally futile effect.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

well, yeah, which is why i don't post there much: they're allto busy DISSENTING against erm, grime, post-structuralism and simon reynolds to pay any mind...

N_RQ, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Second question: what is "State Pop"?

Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

In this specific context it means:

- No tolerance for mediocrity.
- No false sympathy for digital Kapitalist operatives who have done nothing with their existence to justify compassion on our behalf.
- No transferring of emotions because we are made by Kapitalist konstrukts to feel guilty and base for feeling said emotions for people who actually matter to us.

oh so you didn't have sympathy for Peel after all!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm not going anywhere, so I suggest if you don't like it you emigrate to a less intellectually challenging message board elsewhere on the internet, wherein you can howl "Kylie RoXoR!" thousands of times in a row. Nevertheless you remain a tortured monkey in hell, and thus a hindrance to our kollektivist dream. You will find no support for your Kapitalist crutch here. Goodbye."

Wow, this is a howl. I made no reference to liking Kylie that I was aware of. I am not really that into her to be quite honest, I think she has a decent voice but... I however, still have compassion for anyone who develops cancer. I have lost several friends and family members to it and it is a tough time for anyone. FACT.

It is amazing how much you assume about people who you know nothing about. You have no concept of who I am, what I like, my political persuasions et al. and yet you level accusation. You truly are a little Nazi.

You speak of intolerance for Mediocrity and how do you judge this? Who makes you the spokeperson for what is and what is not Mediocre? Is the judgment of talent not completely subjective?

You are a true uneducated child. FACT.

edward, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello is not an uneducated child. But he has been diagnosed with Asperger's. FACT.

Robert Charlebois, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm anti-cancer.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.hbo.com/larrydavid/img/episodeguide/slideshow/ep02/ep02_larry_jeff.jpg

"I'm pro-vagina"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost x 3)

The thing is, you are not worth knowing. You are an obstruction to progress. My judgement is wise and final. Have you never heard of Papal infallibility? I am reclaiming the Katholik koncept and converting it into an ahumanist one.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's amazing that you have time to act like this on more than one message board.

Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Thursday, 26 May 2005 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is about juggs, btw.

Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Thursday, 26 May 2005 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

You know how fast I move. And when I move, I slice like a fuckin hammer. You've seen me do it, and I'll do it again.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

No way. It took you like 7 minutes to respond to me. You slice like 40 year old MC Hammer.

Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Thursday, 26 May 2005 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

More inveterate howlings of a tortured monkey in hell - I do not think we need to bother with such Stasist mediocrities.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)


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