http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/reviews/story/0,13875,1590547,00.html
They gave it 5 stars (out of five), yet only reviewed one of the 2 CD's (presumably because that's all Journalists were allowed to listen to). There was hardly any mention of there being a 2nd CD, and it also pointed out that there were 'weaknesses' to the CD that was heard.
My point is this:1.) How can an album (or indeed anything reviewed) get a top rating if it has 'weaknesses'
2.) How can the OMM or whomever has written the review expect to be taken seriously when they've obviously only heard 1/2 an album yet not made that entirely clear in the review and given it full marks
(BTW I couldn't care less about either the OMM or Kate Bush, reading it just annoyed me)
― AlfieNoakes, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)
― okok, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)
― AlfieNoakes, Monday, 17 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)
"Weaknesses" tho needn't prevent a top mark. If the flaws in something don't actually impact on the things that make it amazing, and the amazing things are amazing enough, then sure it's '5 stars'. Top marks need not mean flawless - anyway a 5-point scale is tiny, surely it should mean "in the 81st-100th percentile of records"!
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)
this is getting to be a big problem for magazines, with labels refusing to furnish promos of albums until release dates (way past print deadlines) and offering playbacks instead. but many of the listening-party versions of albums i've reviewed have differed to the finished album, in terms of extra tracks and different takes...
― foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)
anyway, the omm gave the kings of leon album 5/5 too. so that shows you how stringent they are with ratings. i thought 5/5 should be damn near unattainable, not given out a couple of times a year.
― okoko, Monday, 17 October 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)
― reverend merrick, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)
Basically the point of the OMM is to have something to grumble at over your kippers, though.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)
― okokok, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)
― actionjackson, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)
― Doozer, Monday, 17 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)
because every album has weaknesses.
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)
Heh, I once brought this up with a Q bod, wondering why the Os Mutantes best of only got 3 stars. I didn't expect it to get 5 but 3?His response was, yeah, but would you want every Q reader to hear it?YES! I replied. As the Q review style guide urges you not to hand out 5 stars willy nilly, it does make you wonder why they gave Semisonic 5 stars. I remember one issue from around 95-96 where, obviously sensing they'd been a little parsimonious in the past, they went batshit crazy and gave 5 stars to Van Morrison, Therapy? and Ali Campbell from UB40.All that "not for everyone but good within its field" thing condemns anything that isn't mainstream pop rock to 3 stars.
― Stew (stew s), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)
time out has recently instituted a six-star rating system. six stars not to be given except in once-in-a-lifetime-type cases. we'll see how long that lasts. i gave sugababes five stars with the aim of testing this system immediately.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)
i note that rachel stevens doesn't even get a full review in this month's omm.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)
I don't mind the Stylus report card style. Pitchfork's system is just percentages decimalised, and would be tolerable if their descriptions for each level weren't so lame (what is the point of trying to put out the difference between 6.0-6.4 and 6.5-6.9???)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)
Also the last Kate Bush album wasn't all that, was it?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)
I like the single, a definite slowburner, but 'that video' is one of the worst things I've ever seen. Not just the 6th form surrealism but the way they've distorted our Kate, presumably to make her look more appealing.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)
(xpost)
I mean I like the idea of people gasping, a tribute to Elvis, that's the last thing we expected from KB whereupon KB snarls "EXACTLY!" and winks, but the song's still rub and not nearly as good as the one the Manics did about the Elvis impersonator on Blackpool Pier, whatever that was called, and that shows how low this particular bar has been set.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)
I remember reading about these albums in things like The Sun's Bizarre column at the time - yes it turns out Piers Morgan actually had enough of a clue to criticise them where criticism was due, while the labels were presumably more concerned what the NME etc. thought. Which in turn begs the question 'why did they think it was more important what the 50,000 or however many who bought NME that week thought than the 3,000,000 or so who read The Sun that day - given that it was probably the latter who cared more about such 'has-beens'?'
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)
outside was given a 7 in nme and hailed as a "storming return to form." voodoo lounge was '86, before they gave marks out of 10, but steel wheels got 9.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)
mind you the colorblind james experience were at 25, so you can't exactly trust the list.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)
It should probably be read as a piece about reviewing the new Kate Bush album.
― bham, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)
voodoo lounge ('94) - 5/10 in the nme but five stars in q, vox & select.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)
― jz, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)
― Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)
― Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)
Q also tried to flog the DCC concept a lot to no avail, IIRC.
― Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)
I feel like an idiot chiming in on just this point, but to Pfork's credit, last time I went hunting for the 'legend' for their numeric reviews, I couldn't find it - I suspect it's been killed.
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)
― foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)
Wow! Please do call me naïve but is this current procedure in the UK/US music press (I know Rolling Stone rates are decided by whoever’s in charge of the reviews section and not the writers; unfair/ highly debatable but at least they inform the reader about it)? Did the reviews editor (Lester? Peschek?) at least talk to you before changing the rates (not that it’d make much of a practical difference, but still…)?In my brief time as editor-in-chief in a Portuguese weekly music paper, it never even crossed my mind to change anyone’s rates in record reviews. I agree with you on this one Marcello: a record’s either worth buying + investing one’s precious time or not. And although I tend to detest the way most star and marks out of 5 or 10 are used in music reviews as a way not to read anything whatsoever, I quite liked the Recommended/ Absolutely Bloody Essential (or something to this effect) star system that Melody Maker used back in the mid-90s, because, since most of the reviews weren’t star-rated, you actually did have to read the bloody things, which weren’t even capsule reviews. The cheek of it, eh?
― JML (JML), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)
i heard a story about a film writer who told the distributors of a big blockbuster that he was giving their film five stars, a fact that they subsequently plastered all over the posters. however, the reviews editor didn't know about this, and changed the review to four stars - hilarity ensued.
― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)
― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)
could be the next haneke, same rules apply.
― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)
Lily Allen, unsurprisingly, gets the cover, and even less surprisingly is interviewed by that decrepit old derelict Miranda Sawyer.
The indications seem to point to 2006's M.I.A. but I'll reserve judgement until I've actually heard her music.
Nice to see Morley waxing enthusiastic about Paul Motian in his column.
Not so nice to see Morley revisiting his life 30 years ago for at least the 30th time (i.e. Pistols at Electric Circus, Devoto, Drones, wasn't it all great then, how many more times do we have to go through all this etc.).
The Feeling get album of the month. In his review the moron Mulholland dismisses Supertramp, ELO and Andrew Gold as "soulless," "corporate" and "lacking charm."
Must do better.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:15 (twenty years ago)
― The Notorious ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:20 (twenty years ago)
neesh bigs up the christina milian single, so that's a plus point! er i can't think of any other plus points.
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:22 (twenty years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:24 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:28 (twenty years ago)
Do people actually buy it for the magazine, though, or do they buy the paper, and the (largely useless in my experience) magazine happens to come free w/it that month?
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:54 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:55 (twenty years ago)
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:57 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:08 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)
omm should be destroyed.
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:15 (twenty years ago)
it would make him a better person.
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:26 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:29 (twenty years ago)
he's just a stand-up/presenter. why would his opinions on music warrant coverage/attention?
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:29 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)
The clown has a show on BBC 6 Music ! It's laughable that he got the "Record Doctor" treatment !
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)
So shagging Kate Moss wins a respeck fist? Meaning as long as it's a left hook and it connects with his face?
MS in tongue-in-cheek shocker. There's really no good way to say that your interview subject used to stuff envelopes at your ex's industry-leading PR firm.
― suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:45 (twenty years ago)
― bham (bham), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:48 (twenty years ago)
"Over a hundred years after the Industrial Revolution, which seemed destined to crush the area into dust and isolation as the world it inspired moved Manchester out of the way, an Emotional Revolution happened that would push Manchester into the 21st Century."
is this just subbing? or does morley think the industrial revolution in manchester took place c. 1876?
but more importantly, it's a lot less interesting than his reaction to '24 hour party people'.
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:49 (twenty years ago)
also re: the 6 music playlist i am amazed at some of the generic tripe that makes the playlist.
I reckon the faceless backroom 6 Music management team are to blame. To think they actually select these awful tracks in weekly "playlist meetings".
6 Music duplicates too much of the radio 1/ radio 2 terrain, i call for a mutiny and a listeners leftfield revolution.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:58 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:00 (twenty years ago)
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:02 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)
Sorry but Peel is dead and he's not coming back. Mainly because I don't think the BBC brass would even tolerate another version of him in the building these days.
Fuck 6 Music, listen to Resonance instead, Martian.
― Venga (Venga), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)
Lying & tongue in cheek are not one and the same.
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:17 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:32 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:37 (twenty years ago)
(Cue Ray Stevens)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:39 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:41 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:42 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:11 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:19 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:33 (twenty years ago)
There. I type so you don't have to.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:35 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:36 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:55 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:57 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)
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still shocking that.
― pisces (piscesx), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)
Apparently Robbie Williams' biography is the third greatest music book ever written. I think that tells us all we need to know about this latest exercise in sorry idiocy.
Thom Yorke on the cover, beginning to look like John Mills. Denies turning into a Cameronite, not very convincingly. He really has become a crashing bore.
Article about Public Enemy falling on hard times. Slags off Fear Of A Black Planet in one sarcastic sentence, including one track which actually appeared on Apocalypse '91. Good old OMM Proper Journalists and researchers, earning their money and doing their jobs properly.
David Tennant has terrible taste in music.
Interesting comparison exercise: if you looked at this month's OMM review pages you'd think it was a dreary and dead month for new releases. If you look at this month's Plan B review pages you'd think it was a new golden age. Plan B (the rapper) gets a few lines and three stars for his album. Any editor with sense and foresight would have made it the lead review.
Morley talks about the new Stoppard play, much as he did on Newsnight Review.
Not a vintage issue.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)
That could have been a brilliant article on PE, but it was just lazily done. The piece about the Robbie Williams book was by Lynn Barber: I mostly love her interviews, but she knows nothing about pop music (which shows whenever she has to interview someone involved in it)
― bham (bham), Monday, 19 June 2006 08:58 (twenty years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:21 (twenty years ago)
I could not face the Observer yesterday. Paul Morley has a compilation out, called North By North-West.
* Sad, aren't I?
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)
lol 80s.
― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:54 (twenty years ago)
Whats he into then?
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:03 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:04 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:18 (twenty years ago)
― Shadow of the Waxwing (noodle vague), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:21 (twenty years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)
Growing up in provincial Scotland in the 1980s was pretty dire.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)
xpost really
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:27 (twenty years ago)
― zappi (joni), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:38 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:54 (twenty years ago)
Well i'm 33 and according to imdb Tennant is 35.
I don't think any of us knew what indie was. It was either chart pop or pop-rock. Dance and Hip-Hop hadn't taken off yet and Stone Roses/Mondays didnt hit big til the summer we left school.for the record my favourite band back then was U2. Most people who liked U2 also liked the aforementioned Simple Minds,Deacon Blue & Inxs (i didnt) and Bon Jovi -Slippery When Wet/def leppard - Hysteria (No comment).
There was one metal fan in my year. But never knew for years as it was strictly school uniform and short hair at my school and i didnt know the guy well for the 1st four years or so.And one of my mates was into Whitesnake, Poison, Motley Crue and even after all this time he has bad taste and i'm sure he secretly still loves those bands though he denies it.
The joys of living in backwards Ayrshire between the ages of 11-18.
Thank christ for Nirvana when i was 18 and had just moved back to Lanarkshire.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)
he really is just like most people of my age group. Although I wonder how many still like what they did 20 years ago.
Marcello> what were most people into at your school?
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:09 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:10 (twenty years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:17 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:18 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:21 (twenty years ago)
Cut was similar to Ireland's Hot Press
They even had personals where teenagers listed their fav bands, this was pre-Select magazine.
These days teenagers have myspace profiles.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:34 (twenty years ago)
They were all looking forward to the new album "Street Survivors".
One day, 1979, there were more sad people than when J.Lennon died.
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:36 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:37 (twenty years ago)
― alext (alext), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:56 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)
― Shadow of the Waxwing (noodle vague), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:02 (twenty years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:10 (twenty years ago)
― mark e (mark e), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)
― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:19 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:20 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:22 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:32 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)
Clyde 1 = worst station in the world.Clyde 2 = What my parents listen to. My gran is 92 now and hard of hearing so she doesnt bother now.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:38 (twenty years ago)
― Shadow of the Waxwing (noodle vague), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:01 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:03 (twenty years ago)
Actually the biggest band in Glasgow throughout the 1980s - bigger even than Deacon Blue or Wet Wet Wet, I'd say - were:
(adopts Tom Russell voice)
SCHEME!!!!
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:04 (twenty years ago)
― ladyintheradiator (ladyinradiator), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:10 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:15 (twenty years ago)
― ladyintheradiator (ladyinradiator), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:21 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:24 (twenty years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)
And how can we have come this far in the thread without mentioning the anti-Simon Reynolds (his words), Patrick Kane's Hue and Cry?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)
Why isn't There A Thread For Scotlands Top Music Journalist ..... BILLY SLOAN?
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)
― everything (everything), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 02:52 (twenty years ago)
I do indeed. One of them used to work in the original Fopp shop in Renfield Street.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 06:36 (twenty years ago)
― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)
lock and load
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)
this strikes me as a leeeetle beeeet racist.
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)
xpost
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)
Pure comedy gold
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)
Without this ... no Roots Manuva, no Dizzee. In fact, there would be no British urban music scene to speak of.EJS
JesusJazzie B/Carl Mackintosh/Leee John etc. wept...
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)
Presumably to avoid confusion with, say, Innervisions by Bloc Party or Superfly by Katie Melua.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)
Without this: No techno, no dance music; eg Orbital, Chemical Brothers.
BALL BEARING 1794 Philip Vaughan England
Without this: No jazz/funk, jazzfunk, jazz, funk.
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)
Er, you mean it isn't?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)
With the exception of the Pistols (which is wrong anyway), I would say that was no great loss.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)
Without these: No Modern Day Festivals.
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)
Knuckles...turning...white...
― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)
only with me i know very little about things *since* 1994.
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)
Too busy worrying about that first step on the property ladder rather than whether Robert Rental or The Normal got top billing on the "Live At West Runton Pavilion" LP - get your priorities right!
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)
Oh yes, they'll spend all their time doing it up and then selling it as a profit because that's what matters in Thatcherkid World!
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)
In which universe are these terms mutually exclusive?
― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)
the people on those shows i think of as the kind of '90s, caring yuppies', on board with blair from the off, but not natural labour voters. now they will vote cameron, like that kirsty woman.
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)
What baffles me (or doesn't) about this month's issue is how four stars were appended to what was clearly a two-star Scissor Sisters review.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)
― rtccc (mwah), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)
1. The tip of a sharp anatomical process. 2. A minute round spot differing in color or appearance from the surrounding tissues; a point.
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)
Free Johnny Cash CD.
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)
you got it!
done this already today anyway
that was a bit befuddling, yes.
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)
Three stars apiece was an inordinately generous rating.
The Kelis record is a stinker, following two-thirds of a mindblowing first album, a phenomenal second album for which no one spoke up at the time apart from me and Carmody and a curate's egg of a third album.
As for Beyonce, The Writing's On The Wall is the only start-to-finish listenable album with which she's ever been involved.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)
Morley, as usual, knows nothing about Nothing.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)
no one pays £15 for an album any more! and marcello, you like the richard hawley album which is none of those things. why are they qualities you demand of r&b but not singer-songwriter snooze?
kelis has never made a bad album, and i totally repped for wanderland at the time (in um my student paper).
i would also add survivor and bidet but again why the emphasis on start-to-finish listenable? i would rather have a dangerously in love with two killer singles than a 'start-to-finish listenable' of richard hawley-esque pleasantness which never scales the heights, and if ballad filler is the price i have to pay for it then i'm happy with that. i want GREATNESS! and 'baby boy' gives me it.
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)
hmmmmmmmm...
― pisces (piscesx), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)
Coles Corner is futuristic and strange. Listen to how it starts and how it finishes and how he gets there. Just because the record doesn't flaunt these elements doesn't mean they're not there.
I would rather have two killer singles for four quid than a tedious album of coma-inducing, pimp-soundtracking ballads (track five onwards) for thrice that price.
"Baby Boy" is actually less great than Bob the Builder's version of "Mambo No 5."
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)
I was thinking about getting that. No more though. Rhino Handmade records are priced like they literally are handmade.
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)
the combined resources of online retail, amazon marketplace, supermarkets and just about every shop i've been into recently mean that £15 is not a price i ever have to contemplate! seriously, a tenner is pretty much the upper limit i've had to pay for the past few years.
my point stands that music doesn't have to be futuristic or strange to be good (especially if you're applying those words to production values alone, as mr racistjustice does in his lazy reviews). i don't know if you ever heard nancy sinatra's 'baby's coming back to me' but that's what springs to mind for me - theer's nothing weird, or futuristic, or strange about it, but it's lovely and beautiful nonetheless.
you can get dangerously in love for £4 in tesco at the moment.
'baby boy' is terrible.
it's incredible, it's taut and tense and jerky and perfect in a club.
POV beyoncé solo:
1 baby boy2 in da club3 irreplaceable4 ring the alarm5 work it out
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)
Agree about "Baby's Coming Back To Me."
I wouldn't have any problems with the new Kelis record not being futuristic or strange if it were any good.
I paid a tenner for Dangerously In Love out of Mister CD. But I reviewed it for Uncut so I claimed expenses; otherwise I would have had to go to a Special Listening which I never do because you have to listen to an album more than once when reviewing it and it has to be to hand for reference purposes.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)
any particular reason?
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)
Also it is silly to criticise OMM for being racist when they ran the only fair review for the Fun-Da-Mental album which I've seen anywhere in print.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)
it is, though! am not going to expand because my review is on my blog and my thoughts are on the album thread here.
I would have had to go to a Special Listening which I never do because you have to listen to an album more than once when reviewing it and it has to be to hand for reference purposes.
special listenings >>>>>> getting sent shoddy 128 bitrate mp3s to download yourself.
(my one listening session was surprisingly enjoyable, though if i hadn't been left completely alone with the album for 4 hours - and was given the opportunity to listen as many times as i wanted, by which time i had taken 9 pages of notes for a 100-word review - this might not have been the case)
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)
haven't made up my mind on scissor sisters album as have only listened to it once. i think the single is dreadful. the album is not as good as the last one - too few disco numbers! too many guitar solos! - but it might be a grower.
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)
But that just proves my point even more. How much does "a few with the lads after work" cost you know in London? £25? £40? And people will spend that willingly every week but can't find £12.99 for a CD? These people need to get fucked.
if i could order pints over the internet for half the price some people ask i might.
You can.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)
Evidently.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)
Period of time that you have your investment for though, Tom - maybe it wont get five plays in the first week or month or even year, but who's to say after that?
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)
and I don't go to the pub much in London, normally getting one pint at most if I do. it's not worth it.
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)
-- Sick Mouthy (sickmouth...) (webmail), Today 2:57 PM. (later) (link)
How much is one of Those, in London now?
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)
I've been banging my head over this sentiment for so long now. People don't understand why such-and-such and so-an-so aren't massive, yet they aren't actually willing to pay for it themselves. If you're not and you say you think they're great, why the hell would anyone else?
x-post - Yes of course whenever you buy an album you HOPE it will end up in the 100 plays bracket and not in the 1 play and off to the charity shop one. Whereas with a pint you know what you're getting! (though yr £3 is also a 'stake' in a social event usually and who knows maybe THIS night out will be the one where you hatch an amazing idea/take part in the funniest conversation/meet yr soulmate etc etc. - albums can catalyse all those things too of course...)
You most definitely do NOT always know what you're getting when your order a pint!
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)
i DID buy 'anniemal' for more than a tenner though.
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)
11 years ago I paid between £17 and £22 for Goldie's 2 CD 'Timeless' - can't remember the exact price. Think that's the highest I've ever gone. I bought 'Anniemal' on vinyl for a tenenr in Selectadisc. Can't actually remember if I paid for my CD copy or not!
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)
This is true, but essentially £15 is an arbitrary, strawman figure - it's the idea of being unwilling to pay at all that's the problem. "Here's this great MP3 I downloaded for free, she'll sell loads oif records!" Not if everyone downloads it, then she'll sell fuck all.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)
I only drink about 3 pints a week in a pub on average
Wow!
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
I can't remember the last time I had a pint in a pub.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
What do you do with all the CDs you get sent Marcello? Take 'em down to Music & Video Exchange? Assuming you buy the ones you do like.
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)
99% of the CDs I get sent are so useless and unsaleable that it's less hassle just to bin them than to drag them all the way to Berwick Street to get a fiver in return for the lot.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)
xpost David Tennant's NAME is a music review! The guy is a walking billboard - presumably they're hoping it'll be David Annie next.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)
(i take the view that any money i waste or overspend on a cd/too many drinks/etc is offset by the amount i save by free cds/guestlist/not drinking in clubs.
i don't believe stevem's estimated pint consumption.
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)
Can't be bad!
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)
More pointless nostalgia this month: Top 25 Gigs compiled by Old Hacks.
And also plentiful free advertisements for 2007 corporate state pop - Jamie T, the View, Pop Levi, the Klaxons and everything else they haven't been able to sell for the last two years.
The feature on Icelandic folk music was quite interesting, though.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 11:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:26 (nineteen years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)
A question I've always been too timid to ask Jon Savage: in The Kenneth Williams Diaries circa 1964 he meets a young boy in the street who calls himself Johnny Savage and wants to be a rock & roll star ("I gave him ten bob and told him to take the train back home"). Surely not the same...?
― three days off 43! (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)
Are ALL OMM albums under review given four-out-of-five stars? I may have seen a couple with only three stars, and a couple with five, but it seems like QUITE a coincidence..
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)
haha! i just noticed that (re the good, the bad, and the queen) this very morning!
― pisces (piscesx), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 19 March 2007 10:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Uptoeleven, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)
― djmartian, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:29 (nineteen years ago)
― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)
― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:43 (nineteen years ago)
― braveclub, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Scik Mouthy, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:03 (nineteen years ago)
― Anna, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:26 (nineteen years ago)
Reasonable Nik Cohn piece on Cambodian pop; though marred by the standard ageing music writer getting into world music and therefore needing to slag everything else off meme ("They cover 'Both Sides Now' and 'A Whiter Shade of Pale', and reimagine them in Khmer, transforming artsy posturings into agonised love plaints") it tells a story for which the adjectives "gruesome" and "vile" are nowhere near adequate. I must find that 4CD box set.
Reactionary rubbish - the concept of "over-intellectual" is one of which Pol Pot would have approved.
Otherwise, pages and PAGES on San Fran 40 years after the Summer Of Love, that fucking summer that no one will allow us to forget, keep hammering it into our heads - "You were BORN TOO LATE hahahah!" Morley also goes on in his column about Seven Ages Of Rock and how much longer etc. but of course by using his page to write about it he's adding to the problem. Also, an arselicking interview with Ozzy which reveals him as the world's most boring man, second only to Alan Sugar.
In the review pages, Justice not unreasonably get Album Of The Month, but badly rewritten press releases are not the way to persuade dubious outsiders.
Interesting perspectives in OMM's Candie Payne review where Emma Bunton's (actually rather good) last album is dismissed as "polo-neck wearing dreck" but Ms Payne is applauded and lauded because, well, her brother's in the Zutons and blah blah the Stands, the Stairs, Noonday Underground and other MVE bargain basement perennials - the clear inference being: "she's one of US." I looked her up on YouTube and she is hideously awful. Onward goes the Buggins' turn nepotism which is doing far more to kill British music than any amount of downloading.
Similarly, elsewhere in the review pages there are remarks which speak volumes to those in the know: "It may not be on the cutting edge, but..." "They won't win any points for originality, but..." Enough of the butitis which is doing far more to kill British print music writing than any amount of blogging; music is either worth spending time and money on or it isn't. I don't care who owes whom a favour or who's scared about not getting an interview. McCartney's new album is hailed as a stunning return to form. The White Stripes are another crass press release rewrite. Michael Brecker's great now that he's dead.
Let's bring it all down.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:13 (nineteen years ago)
Oh, and the new Amerie album gets not a mention.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:14 (nineteen years ago)
Ha! I enjoyed reading Marcello's review of OMM far more than I enjoyed reading OMM. I think I might get that Amerie album today! Poss. also that MES/Mouse on Mars collab. if I can find it.
― byebyepride, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:37 (nineteen years ago)
The letters about the Iron Maiden article in the previous issue were ok.
― byebyepride, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:38 (nineteen years ago)
they gave the new dizzee album 5/5. something is not right. apart from the XL-OMM synergy i mean.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)
I have never read OMM
― The Twisted Pollstarter, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:13 (nineteen years ago)
they'll balance it out by giving Kala 1
― blueski, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)
titchy the dizzee album is v good!
― lex pretend, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)
What's the point in reading and reviewing in depth a publication you have never enjoyed?
― braveclub, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)
lex plz give me a copy!
― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)
None of your business (xpost).
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)
"What's the point in reading and reviewing in depth a publication you have never enjoyed?"
see also: ILX :-(
― Alan, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)
good question braveclub
― blueski, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)
i guess (maybe?) MC's point is that OMM *should* be readable and enjoyable
if so, its a good point, difficult to argue. but somehow...i dont feel it. it would take a lot for me to want to read something like the OMM, though it would be nice if it were better
― 696, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)
And much less like Saga Radio attempting to rock.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)
ffs, Schoenberg's 12-tone works actually have too much feeling within.
Maxwell Davies lecture ws a bit LOLz but what I've heard of his stuff for the Fires of London ensemble in the mid-70s is white-hot fury but also quite funny, better than anything the ppl in that list have written.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 May 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)
April 2007: "'Earth Intruders' is pretty good, too, its martial robo-stomp lent much-needed soul by experimental Congolese band Konono No 1 (no, me neither)." (Bjork, Volta review, Craig Mclean)
July 2008: "A gorgeous cover of Fleetwood Mac's 'Over & Over' (no, me neither)" (Primal Scream, Beautiful future review, Caspar Llewellyn Smith)
Are these just examples of stunning ignorance, or is there some running gag that I've missed? I don't even know what he's trying to say in the second one.
― ledge, Monday, 14 July 2008 12:58 (seventeen years ago)
No, me neither.
― NickB, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)
Now, alas, with Malc's departure, we're left with Jason 'J' Brown, 'formerly of the boy band Five' it says here (no, me neither); and... former Catatonia singer Cerys Matthews. (Casper Llewellyn Smith, November 2007)
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)
'no, me neither' is nearly as bad as '(x), anyone?'
― blueski, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:12 (seventeen years ago)
"Heroes of rock like Farnham (no, me neither)" James Anthony, Guardian blog, March 2007 (having already mentioned Farnham twice so it doesn't even make sense)
"Dutch fashion label B-Young (no, me neither)" Tim Lusher, Guardian blog, Sept 2004
Looks like Caspar's just taking the piss though.
― ledge, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)
For some reason (no, me neither) sounds about 8million times less smug when referring to Dutch fashion labels rather than African musicians. By all rights it shouldn't.
― Matt DC, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:18 (seventeen years ago)
you need to stop hanging out with the lex
― blueski, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)
PRIMAL SCREAM Beautiful Future (B-Unique) £11.99 *****
No, me neither. Worst album I've heard all year.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)
With OMM "writers," Paul Weller's song "Empty Ring" comes to mind.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:39 (seventeen years ago)
omm is all albums: FIVE STARS. because music is a must have lifestyle accessory.
― schlump, Monday, 14 July 2008 18:35 (seventeen years ago)
MIKA on the cover w/ the strapline "pop's next superstar" WTFFFFFFF is this a real thing?
― if you're a pizza-loving New Yorker, it was pretty hilarious. (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 14 June 2009 12:48 (seventeen years ago)
smells of payola. on what planet is mika a significant recording artist in 2009? the whole article is written like a giddy PR release: "it's worth saying, Mike is VERY strange" oh come on
― NI, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:21 (seventeen years ago)
Spectactularly unreadable on Sunday actually. An article about session musicians, woo.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:43 (seventeen years ago)
Just googled to find this piece online and erroneously clicked on a 49-page thread about the article at mikafanclub.com :/
― DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:46 (seventeen years ago)
nothing wrong with articles about session musicians as long as they are interesting and well written; unfortunately this was neither.
given that mika had a number one album and single in 2007 and has new stuff coming out you have to grit your teeth and deal with the fact that omm readers will be interested in him.
but then omm isn't really "our" universe is it? it's written by old people for old people (hmmm...), it is what it is, we're never going to get on there. maybe i'm just mellowing out of late but really there are bigger fish to fry. not a coin flip, just moving on.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:48 (seventeen years ago)
It can on occasions still be worth reading - not last month though. I'm sort of glad it's there even when I don't care about it.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:50 (seventeen years ago)
Did any of youse get "Sleeve Notes" in yr inbox today?
Basically, a 'digest' of Guard/Obvser Music columns via Tim Jonze....
― Mark G, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:52 (seventeen years ago)
to be fair i didn't know about the major lazer album and i was intrigued by mulholland's review.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:52 (seventeen years ago)
If Mika is actually going to go above and beyond his first-album status, which was some way short of 'pop superstar', when a new thing comes out, then fine... OMM just seems to be out there on a limb with that one is all
― DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:59 (seventeen years ago)
this mag seems more and more pointless. the reviews are so tame.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 15:32 (seventeen years ago)
i've seen some pretty scathing three star reviews in this
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 15:35 (seventeen years ago)
So there hasn't been an OMM since last month. In fact, there hasn't been any monthly supplements in The Observer recently, after all those stories about closure and cost-cutting started going around. RIP?
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 15 August 2009 23:27 (sixteen years ago)
I'm sure I read that the all the various monthly magazines had been put on hold during August due to some rubbish about people going on summer holidays and therefore not having time to sit around reading on the weekend, and not at all to do with the fact the Observer's head of magazines has left to join The Times?
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 16 August 2009 05:54 (sixteen years ago)
Am pretty sure the next food mag is due for mid-september.
(didn't like the way popstars were shoe-horned into today's gardening special).
― djh, Sunday, 16 August 2009 20:15 (sixteen years ago)
RIP: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/10/observer-sections-redesign
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:07 (sixteen years ago)
I have to say I never really rated The Observer Music Monthly; I disagreed with their opinion an awful lot. But what I did like was it was probably the best coverage a national paper was offering, and the writing often was of a great standard, I just happened to disagree a lot.
Its another sad blow for British music journalism.
― Josh L, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:34 (sixteen years ago)
It had a lot wrong with it but what doesn't i guess. The first press piece ever written about Xenomania was in the Observer Music Monthly, well certainly the first proper long article. Must have been a good 5 years ago now. God the rest of the uk music coverage in the national dailies sucks so hard.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 09:49 (sixteen years ago)
I saw a copy of The Sun (on a train, yeah I know etcet), and was surprised by it's coverage.
Maybe coloured by the fact I was more expecting it to be on the level of "Katie Price is making a new album about her life over the past 6 months" standard, I dunno.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:08 (sixteen years ago)
The Sun's pop coverage is nuts. They'll make Six Organs of Admittance their lead story and give Dead Moon albums 5 stars and stuff.
― Disco Stfu (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:50 (sixteen years ago)
If you have to appear in a specific music page buried in the middle of the Sun then you are de facto not pop music. The Sun's pop coverage is X Factor and pictures of Amy Winehouse falling out of nightclubs, not reviews of the hobbyhorse indie bands of the editor of a section that is probably even less read than the City pages.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:56 (sixteen years ago)
You have to admit it's pretty weird how someone gets free rein to just casually drop stuff like that in there though - I mean they don't have a comparable situation in any other area of the paper AFAICT
― The Execution Of Garu G (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:09 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah it's because no one gives a shit. They probably have to fill it with jobbing indie bands because any pop star of status gets bumped forward to the news section or Bizarre.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:30 (sixteen years ago)
The Sun covers that stuff because Simon Cosyns, who edits the SFTW section, is an assistant editor of the paper and therefore senior enough not to have other people fucking with his commissioning. The fact that the Sun thinks its worthwhile lies in the fact that he is given a staff to run it with.
Whether it actually makes much difference or not ... Well, the PR firms are all happy to go with a paper that sells 3m copies, but they don't expect to sell many Black Mountain albums on the back of it. However, readers to read those pages. In Jan 06 I had the misfortune to be in a pub with Dan Treacey. A couple of weeks earlier the Sun had tipped the TVPs as one of their "six for 06". Which was obviously madness. Anyway, Treacey said the previous couple of weeks had been a nightmare of white van drivers shouting at him: "You was in the Sun, fella."
― ithappens, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 14:48 (sixteen years ago)
Good god!
Still, dammmed if you do...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 15:49 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.rocksbackpagesblogs.com/2009/11/music-magazine-malaise-another-one-bites-the-dust/
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 November 2009 14:30 (sixteen years ago)
OMM did a decade issue on November 29th, so will there be a final OMM end of year issue on Sunday: December 27th?
as from January 3rd 2010 should see a new look Observer
Observer makes raft of appointments
Paper gears up for relaunch with four weekly sections next yearhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/11/observer-appointments
Guardian News & Media's Sunday title will have four weekly sections – news, sport, an expanded Review section and the Observer Magazine.
― djmartian, Sunday, 20 December 2009 12:29 (sixteen years ago)