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Did anyone else read their review of the new Kate Bush album?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/reviews/story/0,13875,1590547,00.html

They gave it 5 stars (out of five), yet only reviewed one of the 2 CD's (presumably because that's all Journalists were allowed to listen to). There was hardly any mention of there being a 2nd CD, and it also pointed out that there were 'weaknesses' to the CD that was heard.

My point is this:
1.) How can an album (or indeed anything reviewed) get a top rating if it has 'weaknesses'

2.) How can the OMM or whomever has written the review expect to be taken seriously when they've obviously only heard 1/2 an album yet not made that entirely clear in the review and given it full marks

(BTW I couldn't care less about either the OMM or Kate Bush, reading it just annoyed me)

AlfieNoakes, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

its like their review of the new kanye west album - they reviewed the actual listening party, rather than the actual music itself. there was hardly a mention of the songs in that review at all. mags will do anything to get an exclusive.

okok, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

there are threads on both KB and the OMM, but the answer is it's the fucking OMM and it's fucking jason cowley, so what do you expect?

N_RQ, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Fair enough,
I wasn't trying to make out I was suprised or anything, it just really fucked me off as to how blatently the review was of only 1/2 of the album, yet it was never explicitly mentioned

AlfieNoakes, Monday, 17 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

The half an album thing they should have come clean about.

"Weaknesses" tho needn't prevent a top mark. If the flaws in something don't actually impact on the things that make it amazing, and the amazing things are amazing enough, then sure it's '5 stars'. Top marks need not mean flawless - anyway a 5-point scale is tiny, surely it should mean "in the 81st-100th percentile of records"!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

its like their review of the new kanye west album - they reviewed the actual listening party, rather than the actual music itself. there was hardly a mention of the songs in that review at all. mags will do anything to get an exclusive.

this is getting to be a big problem for magazines, with labels refusing to furnish promos of albums until release dates (way past print deadlines) and offering playbacks instead. but many of the listening-party versions of albums i've reviewed have differed to the finished album, in terms of extra tracks and different takes...

foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

At my old place, we were told to five star anything that we imagined might be "one of the ten best albums/films/etc" of the year, regardless of whether it actually "deserved" five. So there you go. Anyway, Roger Ebert's the only person who uses a useful star system (because he makes up the rules as he goes along.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to be at an awards dinner with several members of OMM staff (i assume: they might not turn up, of course) next month. if ILMers pay me enough cash, i'll kick off at them about their magazine :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

i dont think reviews matter any more though, lets be real, people are jaded - i dont know the last time i really paid attention to a mag review. im more likely to go on the net and hit a message board or somewhere similar to gauge what an album is like. most music mag reviews these days are so predictable, safe, and/or filled with blatant PR puffery, i dont trust them anymore. it seems like most reviewers dont even know to review music anymore, or are simply just on the payroll or have been told what to write. the review of the new franz album in the nme was just pitiful.

anyway, the omm gave the kings of leon album 5/5 too. so that shows you how stringent they are with ratings. i thought 5/5 should be damn near unattainable, not given out a couple of times a year.

okoko, Monday, 17 October 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)


The OMM after a promising start has just evolved into Q magazine by any other name!

reverend merrick, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Bad music writing in the broadsheets!!! PANIC!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

TBH what the OMM has been MORE guilty of is giving non-feature albums a uniform three stars across the board no matter how much the writers rave over them. Because the non-feature albums tend to be the preverse of specialists you're likely to get more positive reviews which then get the compulsory 3-star rating to preserve the 'objectivity' of the rating system, which is idiotic. So you'd get reviews of jazz, world, reggae, country etc etc which would read "A beautiful album, best of his career so far, amazing playing and songs blah blah SORRY THREE STARS FUCKERS we have to make the top mark 'special' for Kate n Franz"

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Q is very funny with its 5-stars-must-be-rare edict, they virtually had to issue a public apology for giving 5 to Daft Punk!

Basically the point of the OMM is to have something to grumble at over your kippers, though.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

stars are crap anyway, marks out of ten at least allow for half marks (do the OMM allow for half-stars? i dunno). the ive always wanted to know - do labels buy the 'big review of the month' space each issue? is the space only ever open to major label, hype heavy, big names? actually every mag does this now dont they - you can bet on franz, strokes, white stripes, coldplay etc etc all getting great reviews no matter what they do.

okokok, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

should be a percentage out of 100 i.e. the percentage being equivalent to the number of good tracks

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

That is the method Heat! magazine uses Stevem and I've always liked it a lot.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

That's bizarre Tom, about Q, cos the same year they gave 5 to SEMISONIC!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I think the same 'editor's letter' was a bit sheepish about Semisonic too to be fair, but it did say most of the complaints had been about Discovery.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I will never forget them giving 5 stars to Simple Minds Streetfighting years, and I still to this day remember the quote that ended the review:
'Quietly, gently even, a Landmark arrives'
This was at the time when I still trused Q reviews, and of course I bought it.....

actionjackson, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Percentages are for 1990's computer games mags.

Doozer, Monday, 17 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

1.) How can an album (or indeed anything reviewed) get a top rating if it has 'weaknesses'

because every album has weaknesses.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Q is very funny with its 5-stars-must-be-rare edict, they virtually had to issue a public apology for giving 5 to Daft Punk!

Basically the point of the OMM is to have something to grumble at over your kippers, though.

Heh, I once brought this up with a Q bod, wondering why the Os Mutantes best of only got 3 stars. I didn't expect it to get 5 but 3?
His response was, yeah, but would you want every Q reader to hear it?
YES! I replied.
As the Q review style guide urges you not to hand out 5 stars willy nilly, it does make you wonder why they gave Semisonic 5 stars. I remember one issue from around 95-96 where, obviously sensing they'd been a little parsimonious in the past, they went batshit crazy and gave 5 stars to Van Morrison, Therapy? and Ali Campbell from UB40.
All that "not for everyone but good within its field" thing condemns anything that isn't mainstream pop rock to 3 stars.


Stew (stew s), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

as i've said a billion times before you only need two star ratings...five stars or no stars. either it's worth spending money on or it isn't.

time out has recently instituted a six-star rating system. six stars not to be given except in once-in-a-lifetime-type cases. we'll see how long that lasts. i gave sugababes five stars with the aim of testing this system immediately.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

Q magazine apologising to their readers for liking dance music lol when will the bnp be buying up ad space in there then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

what if an album is worth downloading/hearing but not buying?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

same applies. it's worth spending time and effort on to download or it isn't.

i note that rachel stevens doesn't even get a full review in this month's omm.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

i've never in my brief career had to give stars and i don't see how you seriously could. iirc the sunday times gives you ratings like 'wait for the dvd' and 'wait for it to come on tv', which is funny. ie, "pass me my 2007 diary, i think i'll want to watch 'domino'".
i am surprised that q did give 'discovery' five stars, though -- who was it?

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

probably someone who doesn't work there any more.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

god the shit i gave four and five stars to when i was on uncut...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

lots of mags have a 'what tracks to d/l' bit which i think is realistic. if an lp has 3 good tracks, you can d/l them for less than it'd cost to buy a single. and lots of lps are like that.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

actually even the word "download" just makes me wish there'd been a nuclear holocaust in 1986.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

Marking schemes are a really good way to provoke comment tho - there is no way my Popular blog would ever get as many comments as it does if people didn't care about me giving something a 7 when I only gave something else a 6. I bet 90% of OMM and Q's mailbags are people complaining about star ratings. Whether one should encourage those kind of comments is a good question tho!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

I haven't bought OMM (or the Observer, for that matter) in months. I haven't enjoyed it much when I have read it. It was no worse than "Q" or "Uncut", but I don't like those much either. It's all a bit boring and "mature", in the worst sense of the word. I agree with Marcello about the rating thing.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm against the wave perhaps in that I really don't like albums or films or other artefacts being subject to such a binary verdict (C/D!), when so many of them have a great bit here and a terrible bit there. It seems a really ineffective way of adjudication.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

Morley's column was pretty good this month, actually - some pertinent things to say about the Paul Anka album (even if I don't agree that it's a "joke") and he has rightfully bigged up the great Petra Haden Sings The Who Sell Out album.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

I think I have only ever given two 5 stars - one for 'Anniemal', and one as a collective score for the first 4 Brian Eno vocal albums. I was disappointed that there were no letters about the Annie score.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

No-one heard it so couldn't comment JtN :/

I don't mind the Stylus report card style. Pitchfork's system is just percentages decimalised, and would be tolerable if their descriptions for each level weren't so lame (what is the point of trying to put out the difference between 6.0-6.4 and 6.5-6.9???)

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

A new Kate Bush album gets a bad review - what are the chances of that happening?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

er, quite good?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

If it's anything like that first single (and that video!), it'll be getting a bad review from me.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't possibly comment.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

diud u have 2 sign something to that effect?

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Most of my "five star" Uncut reviews were three or four star leads with extra stars added by the reviews editor of the day. Conversely, most of the albums I reviewed which I honestly felt did merit five stars (and apart from reissues, there weren't that many, if any) always had one or two stars subtracted by the reviews editor of the day.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

"Quite good" if we lived in a world where major artists on major labels were reviewed honestly

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

Kate Bush is probably seen by many as safe to slate though. It's not as if the Rolling Stones or Bowie were getting good reviews throughout the 90s is it (you could read between the lines if not hear the ear-bleeding obvious at least)?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Mind you she's not gonna sell out a world tour now like they did even then (regardless of bad reviews).

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

In fact the Stones and Bowie routinely got rave reviews for everything they put out in the '90s in the glossies in terms of Stunning Return To Form Following The Disappointing Previous Album Which We Also Gave Five Stars so no change there then.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't think Kate Bush is especially "safe to slate". The "Stunning Return To Form Following The Disappointing Previous Album Which We Also Gave Five Stars" thing sounds more like Dylan and Neil Young (and Lou Reed) to me.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

I blame Christgau.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

Respectable cult artists like Dylan and Kate Bush have entire armies of apologists willing to do their record company's bidding for them

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

I blame hstencil.

Also the last Kate Bush album wasn't all that, was it?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

As someone who bought a copy of Black Tie White Noise based on a glowing review I can confirm that Marcello is OTM :(

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

If it's anything like that first single (and that video!), it'll be getting a bad review from me.

I like the single, a definite slowburner, but 'that video' is one of the worst things I've ever seen. Not just the 6th form surrealism but the way they've distorted our Kate, presumably to make her look more appealing.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

I remember Julian Cope used to suffer from his new albums always getting bad reviews and always getting compared unfavourably with the "classic album" which had preceded it, of course the "classic alubm" itself had got bad reviews and was compared unfavourably with the "classic album" which had preceded it. Then all his albums were crap and that's when he started getting good reviews.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

or younger?

(xpost)

I mean I like the idea of people gasping, a tribute to Elvis, that's the last thing we expected from KB whereupon KB snarls "EXACTLY!" and winks, but the song's still rub and not nearly as good as the one the Manics did about the Elvis impersonator on Blackpool Pier, whatever that was called, and that shows how low this particular bar has been set.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

teh nice katie bush cannot get less than five stars you jerkoff

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

This is Britain. You don't get stars for being nice.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

Were NME and MM really giving 'Voodoo Lounge' or 'Outside' 8 out of 10 or higher?

I remember reading about these albums in things like The Sun's Bizarre column at the time - yes it turns out Piers Morgan actually had enough of a clue to criticise them where criticism was due, while the labels were presumably more concerned what the NME etc. thought. Which in turn begs the question 'why did they think it was more important what the 50,000 or however many who bought NME that week thought than the 3,000,000 or so who read The Sun that day - given that it was probably the latter who cared more about such 'has-beens'?'

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

do you really need mark s to relate the rattle and hum story to you again?

outside was given a 7 in nme and hailed as a "storming return to form." voodoo lounge was '86, before they gave marks out of 10, but steel wheels got 9.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

"Steel Wheels" got lots of great reviews

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

nme's 33rd best album of 1989!

mind you the colorblind james experience were at 25, so you can't exactly trust the list.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

i think voodoo lounge was '94 -- thass probably what steve means anyway.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

The whole tone of OMM always seems to me to be Hornbyish writing about liking music, rather than writing about music itself, if that makes sense.

It should probably be read as a piece about reviewing the new Kate Bush album.

bham, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

Voodoo Lounge was '94 so I was wondering if things hadn't moved on there since the 'Rattle & Hum' thing, but yes my assumption was based on tabloid columnist reaction to rock dinosaur albums at that time as opposed to the opinions of serious music journalists. Some sort of ironing here.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, dirty work was the '86 one. all those indifferent stones albums do cause some confusion in the uncommitted mind.

voodoo lounge ('94) - 5/10 in the nme but five stars in q, vox & select.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

xpost
But Outside was a sort of a return to form wasn't it? No masterpiece, but the first OK-ish thing he'd done in over a decade.

jz, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)

How do you have such information to hand so quickly, Marcello? Or do you just learn these things?

Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)

it's called "asperger's syndrome."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

You and me both then.

Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

I should've said 'Earthling' or 'hours' and not 'Outside'!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Both of these also got 7/10 in the NME. Heathen made number ten in Uncut's 2002 list because they wanted a Bowie interview, even though no one voted for it except Chris Roberts.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

Good grief. "Adult" music magazines in wretched cynicism shocker.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

I should've said Sting.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

Ten Summoner's Tales "the most profound expression of mid-life confusion in rock history" according to Q in 1993.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

Luckily I never even knew Q existed until about 1997.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

In 1991 Q did a special Philips Audio tie-in with the then-new Dire Straits album, which they were obliged to give five stars even though no one on the magazine thought it was much cop.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

You were very lucky then. My brother has got an almost complete collection going back to issue 2. It was a horrible rag to begin with. What's changed, you ask? Not a lot.

Q also tried to flog the DCC concept a lot to no avail, IIRC.

Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

And then, having shut off all future opportunities for creative music writing in the mainstream music press, David Hepworth writes an article in Media Guardian moaning about how there aren't any great music writers like Burchill and Parsons any more.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Hepworth has actually made a real difference to music in the UK over the years hasn't he? He made it worse.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

hepworth will also be at this awards dinner thing. for enough cash, i'll do some serious noising up :) :) :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

Nothing less than a swift knee to the goolies will be acceptable

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

if we win, i might just do this. "THIS ONE'S FOR ILM!" [wham]

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

Pitchfork's system is just percentages decimalised, and would be tolerable if their descriptions for each level weren't so lame (what is the point of trying to put out the difference between 6.0-6.4 and 6.5-6.9???)

I feel like an idiot chiming in on just this point, but to Pfork's credit, last time I went hunting for the 'legend' for their numeric reviews, I couldn't find it - I suspect it's been killed.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

mojo has a complaint in this month's letters pages, from a reader angry that Mojo gave the new stones album a dismissive downpager, and not a glowing two-pager like my morning jacket received in the same issue.

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Most of my "five star" Uncut reviews were three or four star leads with extra stars added by the reviews editor of the day. Conversely, most of the albums I reviewed which I honestly felt did merit five stars (and apart from reissues, there weren't that many, if any) always had one or two stars subtracted by the reviews editor of the day.
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), October 18th, 2005. (later)


Wow! Please do call me naïve but is this current procedure in the UK/US music press (I know Rolling Stone rates are decided by whoever’s in charge of the reviews section and not the writers; unfair/ highly debatable but at least they inform the reader about it)? Did the reviews editor (Lester? Peschek?) at least talk to you before changing the rates (not that it’d make much of a practical difference, but still…)?
In my brief time as editor-in-chief in a Portuguese weekly music paper, it never even crossed my mind to change anyone’s rates in record reviews.
I agree with you on this one Marcello: a record’s either worth buying + investing one’s precious time or not. And although I tend to detest the way most star and marks out of 5 or 10 are used in music reviews as a way not to read anything whatsoever, I quite liked the Recommended/ Absolutely Bloody Essential (or something to this effect) star system that Melody Maker used back in the mid-90s, because, since most of the reviews weren’t star-rated, you actually did have to read the bloody things, which weren’t even capsule reviews. The cheek of it, eh?

JML (JML), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

marcello is right about the five-or-nothing thing, but the logical end of this is not having any review at all. either buy or don't, why read about it. obviously stars are stupid.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

marcello is also right about writers having their star-ratings changed by editors on a regular basis. happens all the time. TO has already nixed at least one six star review.

i heard a story about a film writer who told the distributors of a big blockbuster that he was giving their film five stars, a fact that they subsequently plastered all over the posters. however, the reviews editor didn't know about this, and changed the review to four stars - hilarity ensued.

Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

it was 'domino', wasn't it pete?

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

i'm willing to bet the first TO six-starred film will be by abbas kiarostami, and that the adjective 'human' will appear in the review.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

i'll tell you when i've seen it in 2007.

Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

that was an x-post

could be the next haneke, same rules apply.

Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

"My idea of hell would be a diet of films recommended by Time Out" (Peter Cook, sometime in the '80s).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

well, the films section's golden years were still to come, back then.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
Not a great issue this month.

Lily Allen, unsurprisingly, gets the cover, and even less surprisingly is interviewed by that decrepit old derelict Miranda Sawyer.

The indications seem to point to 2006's M.I.A. but I'll reserve judgement until I've actually heard her music.

Nice to see Morley waxing enthusiastic about Paul Motian in his column.

Not so nice to see Morley revisiting his life 30 years ago for at least the 30th time (i.e. Pistols at Electric Circus, Devoto, Drones, wasn't it all great then, how many more times do we have to go through all this etc.).

The Feeling get album of the month. In his review the moron Mulholland dismisses Supertramp, ELO and Andrew Gold as "soulless," "corporate" and "lacking charm."

Must do better.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:15 (twenty years ago)

FUCK THAT THEY SHOULD PUBLISH MARCELLO CARLIN'S LEGENDARY BLOG PIECE ON GIRLS ALOUD!!1!!

The Notorious ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:20 (twenty years ago)

i don't know who russell brand is, but the interview with him seems to indicate that he is the worst person ever.

neesh bigs up the christina milian single, so that's a plus point! er i can't think of any other plus points.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:22 (twenty years ago)

I'm puzzled that people buy this.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:24 (twenty years ago)

My contact lenses clouded over briefly, and I read this as "The Feelies get album of the month.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm puzzled that people buy this.

Do people actually buy it for the magazine, though, or do they buy the paper, and the (largely useless in my experience) magazine happens to come free w/it that month?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:54 (twenty years ago)

that week, even.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Russell Brand is the worst person ever--and he is so, so much more of a cock than that piece made him seem.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:57 (twenty years ago)

Lily is a genuine, no PR, punters-love-it success -- miranda sawyer

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:08 (twenty years ago)

If there's anything as good as "Lonely Boy" on the Feeling album I'll eat my bathchair.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)

'People used to say: "You're taking the piss out of clubbers on pills".' He chuckles knowingly. 'But I'd been smoking crack.'

omm should be destroyed.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:15 (twenty years ago)

if i had my way i would force russell brand to listen to NOTHING BUT ciara, ellen allien, christina milian, jacques lu cont and gabriel ananda for the rest of his life.

it would make him a better person.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:26 (twenty years ago)

no it wouldn't.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:29 (twenty years ago)

i don't mind Brand (and LOVED him when he presenetd MTV Dancefloor Chart a few years back) but why was he being interviewed at all?

he's just a stand-up/presenter. why would his opinions on music warrant coverage/attention?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:29 (twenty years ago)

it warrants about as much attention as the opinions on music of the omm's writers.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

plus he knobbed kate moss, deserves a respeck fist at the very least.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

re: i don't mind Brand (and LOVED him when he presenetd MTV Dancefloor Chart a few years back) but why was he being interviewed at all?

The clown has a show on BBC 6 Music ! It's laughable that he got the "Record Doctor" treatment !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)

6music has a playlist and you cannot deviate from it. Friend of mine was one of the original DJs and was told he could play what he wanted by top brass. Then the playlists came in. He referred them back to his original terms, they said in effect 'so what'. Friend got cross and left, which is what friend is like in those situations.

So shagging Kate Moss wins a respeck fist? Meaning as long as it's a left hook and it connects with his face?

MS in tongue-in-cheek shocker. There's really no good way to say that your interview subject used to stuff envelopes at your ex's industry-leading PR firm.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:45 (twenty years ago)

The Music mag had a young, fiesty-up-and-coming-female-singer (Lily Allen) posing in vintage dresses on Hampstead Heath. the normal mag had a young, fiesty etc. female-singer (Corrinne Rae thingy) posing in vintage dresses in some fields in Yorkshire. Music mag had reviews of PSBs, Hot Chp, Tunng, so did Review section. I tend to forget which bits I've read.

bham (bham), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:48 (twenty years ago)

the morley piece is curious.

"Over a hundred years after the Industrial Revolution, which seemed destined to crush the area into dust and isolation as the world it inspired moved Manchester out of the way, an Emotional Revolution happened that would push Manchester into the 21st Century."

is this just subbing? or does morley think the industrial revolution in manchester took place c. 1876?

but more importantly, it's a lot less interesting than his reaction to '24 hour party people'.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:49 (twenty years ago)

i reckon suzy was referring to Mr Sean Hughes

also re: the 6 music playlist i am amazed at some of the generic tripe that makes the playlist.

I reckon the faceless backroom 6 Music management team are to blame. To think they actually select these awful tracks in weekly "playlist meetings".

6 Music duplicates too much of the radio 1/ radio 2 terrain, i call for a mutiny and a listeners leftfield revolution.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 22 May 2006 11:58 (twenty years ago)

uh-oh

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:00 (twenty years ago)

P. Morley on P. Motian = gd, tho calling a 'free' jazz drummer seems wide of the mark

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:02 (twenty years ago)

Morley also reviews the Hot Chip album, a copy of which latter currently resides in my "Thank Gawd I Didn't Have To Pay A Tenner For That" outbox.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)

6 Music duplicates too much of the radio 1/ radio 2 terrain, i call for a mutiny and a listeners leftfield revolution.

Sorry but Peel is dead and he's not coming back. Mainly because I don't think the BBC brass would even tolerate another version of him in the building these days.

Fuck 6 Music, listen to Resonance instead, Martian.

Venga (Venga), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)

MS in tongue-in-cheek shocker.

Lying & tongue in cheek are not one and the same.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)

yeah it's only 'tongue-in-cheek' if you're in on the personal life of the writer, ie not very.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:17 (twenty years ago)

Resonance is just as bad in its own way.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:32 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure how dj martian's listener's revolution will play out, but best of luck. if a commercial concern like nme doesn't respond, maybe a publically funded one will; on the other hand, perhaps not.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:37 (twenty years ago)

Everything is bad in it's own way.

(Cue Ray Stevens)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Resonance is publicly funded (Arts Council grant) and is manifestly a failure, largely because of its Arts Council-related obligations.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)

who needs commercial music radio anymore anyway?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)

men in vans

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:41 (twenty years ago)

the builders upstairs (fuckers)

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:41 (twenty years ago)

barbers

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:41 (twenty years ago)

cabbies

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:41 (twenty years ago)

advertisers

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:42 (twenty years ago)

office workers

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)

who's next on the sneer list?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:11 (twenty years ago)

the unemployed

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:19 (twenty years ago)

The unemployed don't need the radio, they have The Mint.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:33 (twenty years ago)

CHAVS.

There. I type so you don't have to.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Craig Charles plays what he wants.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:36 (twenty years ago)

how do i shot mint?

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)

mothers on the school run who like to listen to something familiar and bland so as not to distract them from their driving

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)

not the elite iconoclasts of ILM then.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:55 (twenty years ago)

my radio broke.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I think the school run itself is the blame. What happened to school buses?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

There was a funny letter about Bobby Gillespie getting to sleep on the settee while everyone else had to sleep on the floor.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Ten Summoner's Tales "the most profound expression of mid-life confusion in rock history" according to Q in 1993.
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), October 18th, 2005.


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still shocking that.

pisces (piscesx), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...
Not as shocking as this month's Top 50 Music Books.

Apparently Robbie Williams' biography is the third greatest music book ever written. I think that tells us all we need to know about this latest exercise in sorry idiocy.

Thom Yorke on the cover, beginning to look like John Mills. Denies turning into a Cameronite, not very convincingly. He really has become a crashing bore.

Article about Public Enemy falling on hard times. Slags off Fear Of A Black Planet in one sarcastic sentence, including one track which actually appeared on Apocalypse '91. Good old OMM Proper Journalists and researchers, earning their money and doing their jobs properly.

David Tennant has terrible taste in music.

Interesting comparison exercise: if you looked at this month's OMM review pages you'd think it was a dreary and dead month for new releases. If you look at this month's Plan B review pages you'd think it was a new golden age. Plan B (the rapper) gets a few lines and three stars for his album. Any editor with sense and foresight would have made it the lead review.

Morley talks about the new Stoppard play, much as he did on Newsnight Review.

Not a vintage issue.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)

Every month I think "What a wasted opportunity". A whole magazine devoted to music from perhaps the country's best newspaper (& with some great writers involved: Morley, Sean O'Hagan etc) & most of the time it's just crap to fill space: things like 50 best books that write themselves, & the usual jokey columns.

That could have been a brilliant article on PE, but it was just lazily done. The piece about the Robbie Williams book was by Lynn Barber: I mostly love her interviews, but she knows nothing about pop music (which shows whenever she has to interview someone involved in it)

bham (bham), Monday, 19 June 2006 08:58 (twenty years ago)

The cover strapline about this being Thom Yorke's "most revealing interview ever" was economical with the truth, wasn't it. I do now know the names of all of his children, but (a) I don't care and (b) I don't exactly think that's what they were trying to imply

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:21 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know he had children. I am impressed. I wonder if he is a Boring Dad, like the ones I bump into, or a Rock'n'Roll Dad*, like me.

I could not face the Observer yesterday. Paul Morley has a compilation out, called North By North-West.

* Sad, aren't I?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)

(& with some great writers involved: Morley, Sean O'Hagan etc)

lol 80s.

Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:54 (twenty years ago)

David Tennant has terrible taste in music.

Whats he into then?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:03 (twenty years ago)

He has two Beverley Craven albums. Amongst other things.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:04 (twenty years ago)

Radio Clyde chart-toppers of the mid-'80s - Love and Money, Hipsway and, with grave inevitability, the Proclaimers.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:18 (twenty years ago)

I think that's sweeter than trying to pretend to like some "hip" shite. The Arctic Monkeys, for example.

Shadow of the Waxwing (noodle vague), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:21 (twenty years ago)

And at least he didn't say Deacon Blue then.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

I think he is around the same age as I am and his tastes don't sound that different to what people listened to at my school. All thats missing is U2, Inxs and Simple Minds.

Growing up in provincial Scotland in the 1980s was pretty dire.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)

christ, what age is he?

xpost really

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)

pfunk - that's exactly what my school was like too.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:27 (twenty years ago)

mine too.
omm is ok for a cheap pullout thingy.

zappi (joni), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:38 (twenty years ago)

He also likes Simple Minds - sadly, their later U3 manifestation.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:54 (twenty years ago)

christ, what age is he?

Well i'm 33 and according to imdb Tennant is 35.

I don't think any of us knew what indie was. It was either chart pop or pop-rock. Dance and Hip-Hop hadn't taken off yet and Stone Roses/Mondays didnt hit big til the summer we left school.
for the record my favourite band back then was U2. Most people who liked U2 also liked the aforementioned Simple Minds,Deacon Blue & Inxs (i didnt) and Bon Jovi -Slippery When Wet/def leppard - Hysteria (No comment).

There was one metal fan in my year. But never knew for years as it was strictly school uniform and short hair at my school and i didnt know the guy well for the 1st four years or so.
And one of my mates was into Whitesnake, Poison, Motley Crue and even after all this time he has bad taste and i'm sure he secretly still loves those bands though he denies it.

The joys of living in backwards Ayrshire between the ages of 11-18.

Thank christ for Nirvana when i was 18 and had just moved back to Lanarkshire.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)

He also likes Simple Minds - sadly, their later U3 manifestation.

he really is just like most people of my age group. Although I wonder how many still like what they did 20 years ago.

Marcello> what were most people into at your school?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)

old timey bicycle with the big wheel music.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:09 (twenty years ago)

(sorry marcello, i think yr only slighly older than me)

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:10 (twenty years ago)

What age are you jed_?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

My last year at Uddingston Grammar was 1980-81. The big things in my year were (a) Simple Minds, Empires And Dance period; (b) metal, especially Rush, particularly the then-new Moving Pictures; and (c) the Mod revival. And there was Colin A who was into the New Romantics but that was it.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:17 (twenty years ago)

Also, the band who became Friends Again, and eventually devolved into Love and Money and the Bathers, were in the year above me.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm 34. at my school the really big band was INXS for some reason. i remember people wearing INXS and U2 tshirts under their white school shirts so you could still see what band they liked. Love and Money and Hipsway and that period of glasgow MOR were quite big too. i liked the smiths, the sugarcubes and the pixies (at the very end) but i got to like iNXS through common room repitition/osmosis and i may still have some hipsway "honeythief" 2x12" pack i bought at that time.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Taking of 1987 era there was a Scottish music mag: Cut

Cut was similar to Ireland's Hot Press

They even had personals where teenagers listed their fav bands, this was pre-Select magazine.

These days teenagers have myspace profiles.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:34 (twenty years ago)

I remember everyone being into Lynyrd Skynyrd. A large contingient.

They were all looking forward to the new album "Street Survivors".

One day, 1979, there were more sad people than when J.Lennon died.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:36 (twenty years ago)

One day in 1980 everyone was considerably sadder about Bon Scott dying than they were about Ian Curtis - unsurprising as hardly anyone had heard of Joy Division in my year.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:37 (twenty years ago)

Bon Scott a bigger loss to the world of music than Ian Curtis. Although perhaps if Ian Curtis had lived Interpol would not exist now. In which case I might have to revise my opinion.

alext (alext), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:56 (twenty years ago)

Bon Scott Died, ACDC Carried on, much as before.
Ian Curtis died, New Order carried on, much different than before.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

You've never heard AC/DC, mark?

Shadow of the Waxwing (noodle vague), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:02 (twenty years ago)

Mark where are you from?
x-post

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Newcastle. Brian Johnson country.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:10 (twenty years ago)

what no Win in Davids list ? then again, they may have come later - the years are getting fuzzy now. as for my school - twas all van 'jump off a cliff' halen, bruce fucking springsteen (Born in the USA everywhere), and of course for an all boys school : sodding Marillion, and a pile of crap, i was the solitary shriekback/cabs/j&mc/run dmc fan. still am.

mark e (mark e), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)

phew yeah, 'ceremony', radical break.

Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Haha i had Born In the Usa.
x-post

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

No, I've never had "Born in the USA" thank everything.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:19 (twenty years ago)

I have to say I puzzled as to why you wondered where I was from. Now I follow. "6th form full of Lynyrd Skynyrd fans" would seem to be a "in the USA" as a given. Now I look back and think "Actually, that is kinda strange."

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:20 (twenty years ago)

"born in the USA" is great.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Win may have been a wee bit too avant-gardie for wee Davie, despite having Scotland's top-selling single with "You Got The Power" thanks to the McEwan's Lager advert.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Scotland's top-selling single of 1986, that is.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Marcello when did Clyde 1 appear? My gran used to listen to Radio Clyde in the early 80s and I cant remember when Clyde 1 and Clyde 2 became the stations.

Clyde 1 = worst station in the world.
Clyde 2 = What my parents listen to. My gran is 92 now and hard of hearing so she doesnt bother now.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 12:38 (twenty years ago)

Marillion were only 1/5th Scottish? Where is the love for Pallas?

Shadow of the Waxwing (noodle vague), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Pallas fucking Rock/ed "The Sentinel" pwnz anything marillion ever recorded.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:03 (twenty years ago)

IIRC it divided up sometime in the late '80s/early '90s (xpost x 2).

Actually the biggest band in Glasgow throughout the 1980s - bigger even than Deacon Blue or Wet Wet Wet, I'd say - were:

(adopts Tom Russell voice)

SCHEME!!!!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:04 (twenty years ago)

one of my relatives was in hipsway, i remeber my dad talking about it. i actually didnt realise they were in anyway well known.

ladyintheradiator (ladyinradiator), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:10 (twenty years ago)

i'll give you the record!!!!

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah i just googled them, and im not making it up. pim jones the guitarist. were you a fan then jed

ladyintheradiator (ladyinradiator), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:21 (twenty years ago)

i dunno really. i bought the record!

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:24 (twenty years ago)

One of those Billy Sloan scottish bands he wrote about but i never ever heard.
I think a friend of mine has a Hipsway cd he got real cheap years and years ago.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)

A friend of mine turned 40 last month, so I went down the Soho vintage mags store and sourced publications from May 1966 (Life, Jackie Kennedy cover), May 1976 (Sounds, Elton John cover) and May 1986... Record Mirror.... with a HIPSWAY cover! So, yes, they were well known, if only for a month or so.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Superstars in Scotland! Even if only for six months or so.

And how can we have come this far in the thread without mentioning the anti-Simon Reynolds (his words), Patrick Kane's Hue and Cry?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe theres no thread on Billy Sloan on ILM. So i've made one

Why isn't There A Thread For Scotlands Top Music Journalist ..... BILLY SLOAN?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Marcello, do you rememeber a scottish post-punk(?) band called The Mackenzies? I loved their A-A "dogs breakfast"/"new breed" & still play it.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

The Proclaimers are great, btw.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

The best Mackenzies song is their second single, "Mealy Mouths", when they went all technical.

everything (everything), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

i've got that too! the 7" is the one i still listen to though.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Oops, meant to put on other thread sorry lolz

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 02:52 (twenty years ago)

Marcello, do you rememeber a scottish post-punk(?) band called The Mackenzies?

I do indeed. One of them used to work in the original Fopp shop in Renfield Street.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 06:36 (twenty years ago)

i loved the Mackenzies. they did two peel sessions that are better than the singles - such a shame they never got round to recording an LP.

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1821230,00.html

lock and load

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

That Without this... bit at the end of each review of the album, how much do I not like that?

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

To quote Anna Friel: "Why bother?"

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

chic --> destiny's child is my favourite.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

Patti Smith --> Razorlight. LOL.

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

Woebot already pwned this article nicely.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

"there would be no British urban music scene to speak of" without massive attack.

this strikes me as a leeeetle beeeet racist.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

ysi?

xpost

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

I see we've got Patti Smith to thank for Razorlight.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

David Bowie --> Bon Jovi
Brian Eno --> the echoey guitars of U2'S The Edge
The Byrds --> Willie Nelson (!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Augustus Pablo --> rave
Fairport Convention --> the Pogues (Ha ha ha!)

Pure comedy gold

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

37 Massive AttackBlue Lines (1991)

Without this ... no Roots Manuva, no Dizzee. In fact, there would be no British urban music scene to speak of.
EJS

JesusJazzie B/Carl Mackintosh/Leee John etc. wept...

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

LFO --> orbital is pretty funny

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

Observer Music Monthly --> big yucks

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

could've had 808 State's '90' in place of 'Frequencies'.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

Without What's Going On, no Innervisions (Stevie Wonder) or Superfly (Curtis Mayfield).

Presumably to avoid confusion with, say, Innervisions by Bloc Party or Superfly by Katie Melua.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

it would still read like '808 state invented dancing'.

xpost

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

WHEEL: about 3500 BC proto-Aryan people or Sumerians

Without this: No techno, no dance music; eg Orbital, Chemical Brothers.


BALL BEARING 1794 Philip Vaughan England

Without this: No jazz/funk, jazzfunk, jazz, funk.


Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

Without Songs In The Key Of Life "contemporary R&B would be lifeless."

Er, you mean it isn't?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh you.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

Without Ziggy Stardust "we'd be lost. No Sex Pistols, no Prince, no Madonna, no Duran Duran, no Boy George, no Kiss, no Bon Jovi, no 'Bohemian Rhapsody' ..."

With the exception of the Pistols (which is wrong anyway), I would say that was no great loss.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

jeans 1873 Levi Strauss, Jacob Davis US
sunglasses 1752 James Ayscough UK
tampon, cotton 1931 Earle Cleveland Haas US
tank, military 1915 Admiralty Landships Committee UK
tea bag early 1900s Thomas Sullivan US


Without these: No Modern Day Festivals.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Do other people get annoyed at being spoonfed like a bunch of dribbling infants or is it just us?

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

What makes it worse is that this wasn't even in Obs Mus Monthly, it was actually from the Observer Review section. These aren't music writers, they're people scratching their arse in between waiting for the next Stoppard play to review. And Kitty Empire. lol.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't even get annoyed by the list when I read it - it's just tiresome.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know. I just can't believe an intelligent adult could read "without this no:" and think the world actually worked like this.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Without this ... no lad culture - it was no accident that a mag founded in 1994 shared its name with Screamadelica's defining single, 'Loaded'.

Knuckles...turning...white...

Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's all those Thatcherkid Observer readers whose lives are so packed they haven't got time to know about anything before 1994.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a thatcherkid who *doesn't even have time to read the observer*.

only with me i know very little about things *since* 1994.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

don't worry, nothing much has happened of note since then.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

there was an electroclash?

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

It's all those Thatcherkid Observer readers whose lives are so packed they haven't got time to know about anything before 1994.

Too busy worrying about that first step on the property ladder rather than whether Robert Rental or The Normal got top billing on the "Live At West Runton Pavilion" LP - get your priorities right!

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

But what are they going to do once they've moved into that compact two-bedroomed terrace house in an up-and-coming area of the city?

Oh yes, they'll spend all their time doing it up and then selling it as a profit because that's what matters in Thatcherkid World!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

when they could be filling the coffers of their friendly local multinational entertainment corporation. for shame!

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

Funny how you never see any book or CD collections in any of those C4 property programmes. I mean, what do they do in their leisure, assuming that 24/7 Thatcherkids on the go have any leisure time? Play hockey or cribbage? Listen to Marian Keyes audiobooks as read by Helen Lederer?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Read brochures on exploiting people from other countries buying property abroad

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

the people on those shows aren't thatcherkids are they? they're kind of staunch new labour, buy-to-let types. older than anyone who can be called a kid.

xpost

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

thatcherkids...staunch new labour

In which universe are these terms mutually exclusive?

Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

they're not in the way you mean, but i think of 'thatcherkids' as people my age -- never lived under a labour govt before 1997, were kids under thatcher. too young to buy property, mostly.

the people on those shows i think of as the kind of '90s, caring yuppies', on board with blair from the off, but not natural labour voters. now they will vote cameron, like that kirsty woman.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say they were indivisible. She was elected in 1979, so you could be a Thatcherkid and be in your 30s... obviously

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm an Alec Douglas Homekid, so you can see the problem there already.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

A Homeboy?

Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Kelis, Kelis Was Here
The usual roster of A-list producers shape the soul sisters' slick new efforts. Too slick, perhaps, reckons Peter Robinson.
Beyonce, B'Day
The usual roster of A-list producers shape the soul sisters' slick new efforts. Too slick, perhaps, reckons Peter Robinson.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

racistjustice?

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

"Black music is sometimes crap" shock horror.

What baffles me (or doesn't) about this month's issue is how four stars were appended to what was clearly a two-star Scissor Sisters review.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

Girls Aloud, Some Balls
The usual roster of Z-list aesthete div producers shape the gobby sisters' slick new efforts. Too slick, perhaps, reckons World.

rtccc (mwah), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

I really hope 'Some Balls' is the actual title.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

'(you got) some balls'

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently the Girls Aloud greatest hits album is going to be called Punctum.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Punked 'em.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

punc·tum (pngktm)
n. pl. punc·ta (-t)

1. The tip of a sharp anatomical process.
2. A minute round spot differing in color or appearance from the surrounding tissues; a point.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Observer Music Mag v. boring and barely worth reading yesterday, even when stuck on an three hour train journey surrounded by people I wanted to avoid.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Bought the Sunday Times instead.

Free Johnny Cash CD.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

racistjustice?

you got it!

done this already today anyway

What baffles me (or doesn't) about this month's issue is how four stars were appended to what was clearly a two-star Scissor Sisters review.

that was a bit befuddling, yes.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

Dunno, Lex - for my fifteen quid I want innovation, futuristic and weird every time.

Three stars apiece was an inordinately generous rating.

The Kelis record is a stinker, following two-thirds of a mindblowing first album, a phenomenal second album for which no one spoke up at the time apart from me and Carmody and a curate's egg of a third album.

As for Beyonce, The Writing's On The Wall is the only start-to-finish listenable album with which she's ever been involved.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

Also, is it just me, or did that Bhundu Boys article appear, virtually word for word, in OMM about a year ago?

Morley, as usual, knows nothing about Nothing.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to buy it this week, but yet again, I couldn't be arsed. I put the money thus saved towards a big block of organically farmed salmon, which was delicious.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

There was quite a good article about Tiny Tim. I'm not paying £42.99 for that three-CD box set, though.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sure beyonce's album *is* bollocks, was just amused that the formatting made it look like herr robinson had used exactly the same review for two diff. albums.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

for my fifteen quid I want innovation, futuristic and weird every time.

no one pays £15 for an album any more! and marcello, you like the richard hawley album which is none of those things. why are they qualities you demand of r&b but not singer-songwriter snooze?

The Kelis record is a stinker, following two-thirds of a mindblowing first album, a phenomenal second album for which no one spoke up at the time apart from me and Carmody and a curate's egg of a third album.

kelis has never made a bad album, and i totally repped for wanderland at the time (in um my student paper).

As for Beyonce, The Writing's On The Wall is the only start-to-finish listenable album with which she's ever been involved.

i would also add survivor and bidet but again why the emphasis on start-to-finish listenable? i would rather have a dangerously in love with two killer singles than a 'start-to-finish listenable' of richard hawley-esque pleasantness which never scales the heights, and if ballad filler is the price i have to pay for it then i'm happy with that. i want GREATNESS! and 'baby boy' gives me it.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

the scissor sisters album is crap, as bad a second album as i've eveer heard and yet every single review is good-great from the mags that have them on their covers.

hmmmmmmmm...

pisces (piscesx), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's hard to write a dammning review, when they are standing behind you at your shoulder.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

I try to find a better price than £15 when buying albums, but if I can't then I just have to.

Coles Corner is futuristic and strange. Listen to how it starts and how it finishes and how he gets there. Just because the record doesn't flaunt these elements doesn't mean they're not there.

I would rather have two killer singles for four quid than a tedious album of coma-inducing, pimp-soundtracking ballads (track five onwards) for thrice that price.

"Baby Boy" is actually less great than Bob the Builder's version of "Mambo No 5."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

In fact, when Mr OMM reviewer left his desk after typing the review, who's to say Jake didn't stoop over his chair and add two more stars?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

£15 for an album? No wonder there's such bitterness...

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

'baby boy' is terrible. she's an awful pop star. sometimes she's been lucky with songwriters and producers.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

who's to say the editor of the Observer Music Monthly, scared of upsetting his demographic Jake didn't stoop over his chair and add two more stars?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of things are less great than Bob The Builder's version of "Mambo No.5"!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

There was quite a good article about Tiny Tim. I'm not paying £42.99 for that three-CD box set, though.

I was thinking about getting that. No more though. Rhino Handmade records are priced like they literally are handmade.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

I try to find a better price than £15 when buying albums, but if I can't then I just have to.

the combined resources of online retail, amazon marketplace, supermarkets and just about every shop i've been into recently mean that £15 is not a price i ever have to contemplate! seriously, a tenner is pretty much the upper limit i've had to pay for the past few years.

Coles Corner is futuristic and strange. Listen to how it starts and how it finishes and how he gets there. Just because the record doesn't flaunt these elements doesn't mean they're not there.

my point stands that music doesn't have to be futuristic or strange to be good (especially if you're applying those words to production values alone, as mr racistjustice does in his lazy reviews). i don't know if you ever heard nancy sinatra's 'baby's coming back to me' but that's what springs to mind for me - theer's nothing weird, or futuristic, or strange about it, but it's lovely and beautiful nonetheless.

I would rather have two killer singles for four quid than a tedious album of coma-inducing, pimp-soundtracking ballads (track five onwards) for thrice that price.

you can get dangerously in love for £4 in tesco at the moment.

'baby boy' is terrible.

it's incredible, it's taut and tense and jerky and perfect in a club.

POV beyoncé solo:

1 baby boy
2 in da club
3 irreplaceable
4 ring the alarm
5 work it out

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

I don't shop online and have no intention of starting. The kind of albums for which I pay £15 are not readily available in the racks of Tescos or Woolworths.

Agree about "Baby's Coming Back To Me."

I wouldn't have any problems with the new Kelis record not being futuristic or strange if it were any good.

I paid a tenner for Dangerously In Love out of Mister CD. But I reviewed it for Uncut so I claimed expenses; otherwise I would have had to go to a Special Listening which I never do because you have to listen to an album more than once when reviewing it and it has to be to hand for reference purposes.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

I don't shop online and have no intention of starting.

any particular reason?

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

TROJANS

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

Secure sites or not, I don't trust Amazon or anyone else to keep my card/account details to themselves.

Also it is silly to criticise OMM for being racist when they ran the only fair review for the Fun-Da-Mental album which I've seen anywhere in print.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't have any problems with the new Kelis record not being futuristic or strange if it were any good.

it is, though! am not going to expand because my review is on my blog and my thoughts are on the album thread here.

I would have had to go to a Special Listening which I never do because you have to listen to an album more than once when reviewing it and it has to be to hand for reference purposes.

special listenings >>>>>> getting sent shoddy 128 bitrate mp3s to download yourself.

(my one listening session was surprisingly enjoyable, though if i hadn't been left completely alone with the album for 4 hours - and was given the opportunity to listen as many times as i wanted, by which time i had taken 9 pages of notes for a 100-word review - this might not have been the case)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

"defiantly plastic horns and strings", says Garry Mulholland, of Ta-Dah (about which my jury is still out; high on technique and emotional integrity, but possibly low on charm and lasting enterainment value). Sorry, slag the album all you like, but the Uptown Horns, Joan "Policewoman" Wasser and Van Dyke Parks are NOT plastic. Other that, fair points made - and at least he was allowed to listen to the thing more than twice (something which Alex Needham in the NME was bold enough to 'fess up to, and which Alexis Petridis in the Guardian glossed over with even more irrelevant waffle than usual).

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

The Joan as PoliceWoman record is truly lovely and beautiful.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

It blooming well is and all! Her talents are a bit wasted on Ta-Dah, and cruelly usurped by the Van Dyke Parks arrangement which directly follows her own. (Also, why draft in Stuart Price for no reason other than to add "additional vocal production" to Ana Matronic's only lead vocal? You can take roping in "famous friends" too far.)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

really? i didn't like the single. (xp)

haven't made up my mind on scissor sisters album as have only listened to it once. i think the single is dreadful. the album is not as good as the last one - too few disco numbers! too many guitar solos! - but it might be a grower.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

The only Scissors-related track I have ever liked (well, I did quite like "Laura" the first dozen or so times I heard it) was the one New Order did with Ana Matronic last year. But then, it was New Order...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

oh i didn't like that at all. i like most of the first scissors album but only really LOVE 'return to oz', 'filthy/gorgeous' and 'comfortably numb'.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

Someone played "Comfortably Numb" to Robin Gibb on the radio, who immediately insisted he'd be consulting his lawyers, in a non-comedic/ironic way.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

(But everyone loved "I Believe In You", right? Er, right?)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

yes.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about the SS involvement in that one. Perhaps they should concentrate on writing/producing for others in an Eighth Wonder/Liza Minnelli sense?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

omg Lex has selected MY favourite 3 tracks from the SS' debut as his own. and there I was thinking our tastes were diametrically opposed.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

If you'll pay £3 for a pint but not £15 for an album there's something fucked in your financial priorities.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Where's this bargain basement London pub where you can pay £3 for a pint????

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

if i could order pints over the internet for half the price some people ask i might.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's been a LONG time since I had a pint in London.

But that just proves my point even more. How much does "a few with the lads after work" cost you know in London? £25? £40? And people will spend that willingly every week but can't find £12.99 for a CD? These people need to get fucked.

if i could order pints over the internet for half the price some people ask i might.

You can.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Know = now. Dur.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

These people need to get fucked.

Evidently.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, it's not a good comparison.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

If only that FAP beer money had gone towards BUYING the Annie From Norway album then perhaps she wouldn't be homeless and despondent now.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

How many plays does the average 45 minute album get? If its 5 or less then it's a worse investment than spending £15 on 5 pints, clearly.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Suppose it grows on you.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

i am so straight-edge.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Well then it's a better investment, money well spent!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

How many plays does the average 45 minute album get? If its 5 or less then it's a worse investment than spending £15 on 5 pints, clearly.

Period of time that you have your investment for though, Tom - maybe it wont get five plays in the first week or month or even year, but who's to say after that?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

there will be more music. very, very few albums are exceptional.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yes of course whenever you buy an album you HOPE it will end up in the 100 plays bracket and not in the 1 play and off to the charity shop one. Whereas with a pint you know what you're getting! (though yr £3 is also a 'stake' in a social event usually and who knows maybe THIS night out will be the one where you hatch an amazing idea/take part in the funniest conversation/meet yr soulmate etc etc. - albums can catalyse all those things too of course...)

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

most I ever spent on a CD was 15.99 on Tool's Aenima :/

and I don't go to the pub much in London, normally getting one pint at most if I do. it's not worth it.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

t's been a LONG time since I had a pint in London.
But that just proves my point even more. How much does "a few with the lads after work" cost you know in London? £25? £40? And people will spend that willingly every week but can't find £12.99 for a CD? These people need to get fucked.

-- Sick Mouthy (sickmouth...) (webmail), Today 2:57 PM. (later) (link)

How much is one of Those, in London now?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

If only that FAP beer money had gone towards BUYING the Annie From Norway album then perhaps she wouldn't be homeless and despondent now.

I've been banging my head over this sentiment for so long now. People don't understand why such-and-such and so-an-so aren't massive, yet they aren't actually willing to pay for it themselves. If you're not and you say you think they're great, why the hell would anyone else?

x-post - Yes of course whenever you buy an album you HOPE it will end up in the 100 plays bracket and not in the 1 play and off to the charity shop one. Whereas with a pint you know what you're getting! (though yr £3 is also a 'stake' in a social event usually and who knows maybe THIS night out will be the one where you hatch an amazing idea/take part in the funniest conversation/meet yr soulmate etc etc. - albums can catalyse all those things too of course...)

You most definitely do NOT always know what you're getting when your order a pint!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

or to put it another way, lots of music is great and there's no *need* to spend £15 on an album.

i DID buy 'anniemal' for more than a tenner though.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

I only drink about 3 pints a week in a pub on average (tho this last weekend has. The average price of a pint in London is still nearer £2.50 than £3 tho, I'm fairly sure. Unfortunately the places that tend to do the cheapest beer are 'coincidentally' the crappest places to drink.

11 years ago I paid between £17 and £22 for Goldie's 2 CD 'Timeless' - can't remember the exact price. Think that's the highest I've ever gone. I bought 'Anniemal' on vinyl for a tenenr in Selectadisc. Can't actually remember if I paid for my CD copy or not!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

or to put it another way, lots of music is great and there's no *need* to spend £15 on an album.

This is true, but essentially £15 is an arbitrary, strawman figure - it's the idea of being unwilling to pay at all that's the problem. "Here's this great MP3 I downloaded for free, she'll sell loads oif records!" Not if everyone downloads it, then she'll sell fuck all.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Well, if you hadn't, the alarm would have gone off when you walked out of the shop (xpost).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

In any case, even if a hundred people on ILM had bought 'Anniemal' and paid £13 for the privilege, it would not have made her any more of a success or failure.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

otm

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

I've made a conscious effort not to complain about the relative sales of things since I started freeloading music.

I only drink about 3 pints a week in a pub on average

Wow!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

i buy no pub pints per week!

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Chaos theory. It might have.

I can't remember the last time I had a pint in a pub.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

PROPER GIGS AND TV PROMOS NOT DJ SESSIONS IN SHOREDITCH TWAT BACK ROOMS
would have helped
(with Annie From Norway)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I got sent an unwanted radio copy of 'Anniemal', about six months after having downloaded it.

What do you do with all the CDs you get sent Marcello? Take 'em down to Music & Video Exchange? Assuming you buy the ones you do like.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I drink a lot of wine at home though.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

how much do you spend on a bottle?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

no 'fence but why does MC get promos? is it that economical to send free cds to bloggers/occasional reviewers?

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

spend? the gentle devon folk turn off the lighthouses and wait for merchant ships to founder on the rocks, before stealing the contents. southall gets all the wine.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

I would imagine no more or less economical to send free CDs to people like David Tennant who to my knowledge has never penned a music review in his life. Plus my blog's readership compares favourably with most print music magazines.

99% of the CDs I get sent are so useless and unsaleable that it's less hassle just to bin them than to drag them all the way to Berwick Street to get a fiver in return for the lot.

(xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Generally we spend between £4 and £8 on a bottle of wine.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

mm, us too.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

My "wow" wasn't implying that drinking pints in a pub was a universal, by the way, it was that I seem to be in the pub with mr Konal Doddz quite a lot.

xpost David Tennant's NAME is a music review! The guy is a walking billboard - presumably they're hoping it'll be David Annie next.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

Herald the new ILM, with its distinguished contributors including Tom I'm From Barcelona!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

hmm i wonder what you would all think of paying £15-20 to get into a club!

(i take the view that any money i waste or overspend on a cd/too many drinks/etc is offset by the amount i save by free cds/guestlist/not drinking in clubs.

i don't believe stevem's estimated pint consumption.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really do "clubs."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

all of this has convinced me that the downloaders and the crusties were RIGHT. fuck the leisure industry.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think you'll find it was "fuck the Levellers."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

the levellers were the corporate world's attempt to co-opt the crusties (probably).

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

cue 500 posts from disgruntled Levellers fans claiming that we're "scared" of them.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

basically if you pay for it, you have too much money that could be better spent helping the world's poor.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I go to the pub a couple of times a week, just not drinking PINTS much. But OK yes, paying nearly same price for even LESS liquid in the form of spirits+mixers. The last two weekends have been extravagant exceptions what with all the bleedin' (lovely) weddings and related.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

I pay £13.50 every week for a seven-day bus pass and I'm not at all sure I get anything approaching value for money.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

"99% of the CDs I get are so useless and unsaleable": yeah, if they'd send us something we could sell at the shop (for instance, not CDRs), somebody else could hear it, it might change hands and ears (via bins) dozens of times! So many of the CDRs etc. are useless, not only because unsaleable, but also my friends would say, "Why are you palming this shit off on meeee?!"

don (dow), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

"bins" as in "bargain," not "dust," although dumpster divers may go for some of the ones that have actually left my desk (not as many as should have been dumped)

don (dow), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
This month, it's a free DVD of "The Buena Vista Social Club" and a mag guest-edited by Jarvis.

Can't be bad!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

"She stayed with me until
She moved to Notting Hill
She said it was the place she needs to be
Where the cocaine is Fair Trade
And frequently displayed
Is the Buena Vista Social Club CD"

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not at all sure about that new Jarvis record. It might grow on me.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Take yr year in provence and shove it up yr asssss!!"

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
It hasn't really.

More pointless nostalgia this month: Top 25 Gigs compiled by Old Hacks.

And also plentiful free advertisements for 2007 corporate state pop - Jamie T, the View, Pop Levi, the Klaxons and everything else they haven't been able to sell for the last two years.

The feature on Icelandic folk music was quite interesting, though.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

The best thing about the OMM tends to be contrasting the frothing reviews in the mag with jaded Kitty Empire in the broadsheet proper - cf Jamie T this week.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

solid

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

Jamie T, Mika, Just Jack, The View, Klaxons - I can't remember the last time I felt such "So What, Can't Be Bothered" ennui. No, not even during the Bloc Party/Editors/Bravery "angular post-punk" coup of early 2005...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Nick Kohn on Elvis and Charlie Gillett on the Velvet Underground both interesting, though. Gawd, spot the jaded nearly-45-year-old...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Indeed. Though Savage on the Jubilee boat trip was basically just a recycling of what he wrote about it in England's Dreaming.

A question I've always been too timid to ask Jon Savage: in The Kenneth Williams Diaries circa 1964 he meets a young boy in the street who calls himself Johnny Savage and wants to be a rock & roll star ("I gave him ten bob and told him to take the train back home"). Surely not the same...?

three days off 43! (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

I also liked the Nik Cohn piece, a lot.

Are ALL OMM albums under review given four-out-of-five stars? I may have seen a couple with only three stars, and a couple with five, but it seems like QUITE a coincidence..

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Only the ones in each month's "top ten" and many of those are given the fifth star, especially when they involve other OMM contributors, and even when on reading them they are clearly two-star reviews (e.g. Scissor Sisters).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Golly, the Jamie T interview went on for AGES. I like long-form pieces but not long-form INTERVIEWS unless the person being interviewed really is very interesting. They could have used two of those pages to talk about somebody good!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

The best thing about the OMM tends to be contrasting the frothing reviews in the mag with jaded Kitty Empire in the broadsheet proper - cf Jamie T this week.
-- Tom (freakytrigge...), January 22nd, 2007.

haha! i just noticed that (re the good, the bad, and the queen) this very morning!

pisces (piscesx), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm playing the Good/Bad/Queen album just now. Sadly, so far I fear Norma Evans is more OTM here than the OMM.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Reasonable Morley piece on the Arcade Fire. He reckons they're nearly as good as Island recording artists U2.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 19 March 2007 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck. Forgot while I was reading it that it was Paul Morley. Reasonable in places but i resent his compulsion to make shit up to just join dots and be flowery.

Uptoeleven, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
this sunday:

http://f.chtah.com/i/43/393014865/omm_apr07_head.jpg

djmartian, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

omg dizzee is so fit

lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

he is HOTT in his new video too

lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

pity about the song

lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

i quite like it. maybe i will buy the OMM.

blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

WTF is the observer book of genius?

braveclub, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Dunno but it better have me in it.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Observer Music Magazine is proud to have brought together Harold Bloom and Geir Hongro to edit this special supplement...

Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

Dizzee Rascal on the cover four years too late. Hurrah for the up-to-the-minute OMM! Whom will they feature next month? The Dismemberment Plan?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

New album out in May Marcello.

Anna, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

I know, I've listened to it.

Maybe A Flock Of Seagulls have a new album coming out in May, also.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Reasonable Nik Cohn piece on Cambodian pop; though marred by the standard ageing music writer getting into world music and therefore needing to slag everything else off meme ("They cover 'Both Sides Now' and 'A Whiter Shade of Pale', and reimagine them in Khmer, transforming artsy posturings into agonised love plaints") it tells a story for which the adjectives "gruesome" and "vile" are nowhere near adequate. I must find that 4CD box set.

Reactionary rubbish - the concept of "over-intellectual" is one of which Pol Pot would have approved.

Otherwise, pages and PAGES on San Fran 40 years after the Summer Of Love, that fucking summer that no one will allow us to forget, keep hammering it into our heads - "You were BORN TOO LATE hahahah!" Morley also goes on in his column about Seven Ages Of Rock and how much longer etc. but of course by using his page to write about it he's adding to the problem. Also, an arselicking interview with Ozzy which reveals him as the world's most boring man, second only to Alan Sugar.

In the review pages, Justice not unreasonably get Album Of The Month, but badly rewritten press releases are not the way to persuade dubious outsiders.

Interesting perspectives in OMM's Candie Payne review where Emma Bunton's (actually rather good) last album is dismissed as "polo-neck wearing dreck" but Ms Payne is applauded and lauded because, well, her brother's in the Zutons and blah blah the Stands, the Stairs, Noonday Underground and other MVE bargain basement perennials - the clear inference being: "she's one of US." I looked her up on YouTube and she is hideously awful. Onward goes the Buggins' turn nepotism which is doing far more to kill British music than any amount of downloading.

Similarly, elsewhere in the review pages there are remarks which speak volumes to those in the know: "It may not be on the cutting edge, but..." "They won't win any points for originality, but..." Enough of the butitis which is doing far more to kill British print music writing than any amount of blogging; music is either worth spending time and money on or it isn't. I don't care who owes whom a favour or who's scared about not getting an interview. McCartney's new album is hailed as a stunning return to form. The White Stripes are another crass press release rewrite. Michael Brecker's great now that he's dead.

Let's bring it all down.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and the new Amerie album gets not a mention.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! I enjoyed reading Marcello's review of OMM far more than I enjoyed reading OMM. I think I might get that Amerie album today! Poss. also that MES/Mouse on Mars collab. if I can find it.

byebyepride, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

The letters about the Iron Maiden article in the previous issue were ok.

byebyepride, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

they gave the new dizzee album 5/5. something is not right. apart from the XL-OMM synergy i mean.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I have never read OMM

The Twisted Pollstarter, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

they'll balance it out by giving Kala 1

blueski, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

titchy the dizzee album is v good!

lex pretend, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

What's the point in reading and reviewing in depth a publication you have never enjoyed?

braveclub, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

lex plz give me a copy!

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

None of your business (xpost).

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

"What's the point in reading and reviewing in depth a publication you have never enjoyed?"

see also: ILX :-(

Alan, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

good question braveclub

blueski, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

i guess (maybe?) MC's point is that OMM *should* be readable and enjoyable

if so, its a good point, difficult to argue. but somehow...i dont feel it. it would take a lot for me to want to read something like the OMM, though it would be nice if it were better

696, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

And much less like Saga Radio attempting to rock.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

ffs, Schoenberg's 12-tone works actually have too much feeling within.

Maxwell Davies lecture ws a bit LOLz but what I've heard of his stuff for the Fires of London ensemble in the mid-70s is white-hot fury but also quite funny, better than anything the ppl in that list have written.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 May 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

April 2007:
"'Earth Intruders' is pretty good, too, its martial robo-stomp lent much-needed soul by experimental Congolese band Konono No 1 (no, me neither)."
(Bjork, Volta review, Craig Mclean)

July 2008:
"A gorgeous cover of Fleetwood Mac's 'Over & Over' (no, me neither)"
(Primal Scream, Beautiful future review, Caspar Llewellyn Smith)

Are these just examples of stunning ignorance, or is there some running gag that I've missed? I don't even know what he's trying to say in the second one.

ledge, Monday, 14 July 2008 12:58 (seventeen years ago)

No, me neither.

NickB, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

Now, alas, with Malc's departure, we're left with Jason 'J' Brown, 'formerly of the boy band Five' it says here (no, me neither); and... former Catatonia singer Cerys Matthews. (Casper Llewellyn Smith, November 2007)

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)

'no, me neither' is nearly as bad as '(x), anyone?'

blueski, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:12 (seventeen years ago)

"Heroes of rock like Farnham (no, me neither)" James Anthony, Guardian blog, March 2007 (having already mentioned Farnham twice so it doesn't even make sense)

"Dutch fashion label B-Young (no, me neither)" Tim Lusher, Guardian blog, Sept 2004

Looks like Caspar's just taking the piss though.

ledge, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)

For some reason (no, me neither) sounds about 8million times less smug when referring to Dutch fashion labels rather than African musicians. By all rights it shouldn't.

Matt DC, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:18 (seventeen years ago)

you need to stop hanging out with the lex

blueski, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)

PRIMAL SCREAM Beautiful Future (B-Unique) £11.99 *****

No, me neither. Worst album I've heard all year.

mike t-diva, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)

With OMM "writers," Paul Weller's song "Empty Ring" comes to mind.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:39 (seventeen years ago)

omm is all albums: FIVE STARS. because music is a must have lifestyle accessory.

schlump, Monday, 14 July 2008 18:35 (seventeen years ago)

eleven months pass...

MIKA on the cover w/ the strapline "pop's next superstar" WTFFFFFFF is this a real thing?

if you're a pizza-loving New Yorker, it was pretty hilarious. (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 14 June 2009 12:48 (seventeen years ago)

smells of payola. on what planet is mika a significant recording artist in 2009? the whole article is written like a giddy PR release: "it's worth saying, Mike is VERY strange" oh come on

NI, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:21 (seventeen years ago)

Spectactularly unreadable on Sunday actually. An article about session musicians, woo.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:43 (seventeen years ago)

Just googled to find this piece online and erroneously clicked on a 49-page thread about the article at mikafanclub.com :/

DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:46 (seventeen years ago)

nothing wrong with articles about session musicians as long as they are interesting and well written; unfortunately this was neither.

given that mika had a number one album and single in 2007 and has new stuff coming out you have to grit your teeth and deal with the fact that omm readers will be interested in him.

but then omm isn't really "our" universe is it? it's written by old people for old people (hmmm...), it is what it is, we're never going to get on there. maybe i'm just mellowing out of late but really there are bigger fish to fry. not a coin flip, just moving on.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

It can on occasions still be worth reading - not last month though. I'm sort of glad it's there even when I don't care about it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:50 (seventeen years ago)

Did any of youse get "Sleeve Notes" in yr inbox today?

Basically, a 'digest' of Guard/Obvser Music columns via Tim Jonze....

Mark G, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:52 (seventeen years ago)

to be fair i didn't know about the major lazer album and i was intrigued by mulholland's review.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:52 (seventeen years ago)

If Mika is actually going to go above and beyond his first-album status, which was some way short of 'pop superstar', when a new thing comes out, then fine... OMM just seems to be out there on a limb with that one is all

DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:59 (seventeen years ago)

this mag seems more and more pointless. the reviews are so tame.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 15:32 (seventeen years ago)

i've seen some pretty scathing three star reviews in this

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 15:35 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

So there hasn't been an OMM since last month. In fact, there hasn't been any monthly supplements in The Observer recently, after all those stories about closure and cost-cutting started going around. RIP?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 15 August 2009 23:27 (sixteen years ago)

I'm sure I read that the all the various monthly magazines had been put on hold during August due to some rubbish about people going on summer holidays and therefore not having time to sit around reading on the weekend, and not at all to do with the fact the Observer's head of magazines has left to join The Times?

James Mitchell, Sunday, 16 August 2009 05:54 (sixteen years ago)

Am pretty sure the next food mag is due for mid-september.

(didn't like the way popstars were shoe-horned into today's gardening special).

djh, Sunday, 16 August 2009 20:15 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

RIP: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/10/observer-sections-redesign

Stevie T, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:07 (sixteen years ago)

I have to say I never really rated The Observer Music Monthly; I disagreed with their opinion an awful lot. But what I did like was it was probably the best coverage a national paper was offering, and the writing often was of a great standard, I just happened to disagree a lot.

Its another sad blow for British music journalism.

Josh L, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:34 (sixteen years ago)

It had a lot wrong with it but what doesn't i guess. The first press piece ever written about Xenomania was in the Observer Music Monthly, well certainly the first proper long article. Must have been a good 5 years ago now. God the rest of the uk music coverage in the national dailies sucks so hard.

piscesx, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 09:49 (sixteen years ago)

I saw a copy of The Sun (on a train, yeah I know etcet), and was surprised by it's coverage.

Maybe coloured by the fact I was more expecting it to be on the level of "Katie Price is making a new album about her life over the past 6 months" standard, I dunno.

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:08 (sixteen years ago)

The Sun's pop coverage is nuts. They'll make Six Organs of Admittance their lead story and give Dead Moon albums 5 stars and stuff.

Disco Stfu (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:50 (sixteen years ago)

If you have to appear in a specific music page buried in the middle of the Sun then you are de facto not pop music. The Sun's pop coverage is X Factor and pictures of Amy Winehouse falling out of nightclubs, not reviews of the hobbyhorse indie bands of the editor of a section that is probably even less read than the City pages.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:56 (sixteen years ago)

You have to admit it's pretty weird how someone gets free rein to just casually drop stuff like that in there though - I mean they don't have a comparable situation in any other area of the paper AFAICT

The Execution Of Garu G (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:09 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah it's because no one gives a shit. They probably have to fill it with jobbing indie bands because any pop star of status gets bumped forward to the news section or Bizarre.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:30 (sixteen years ago)

The Sun covers that stuff because Simon Cosyns, who edits the SFTW section, is an assistant editor of the paper and therefore senior enough not to have other people fucking with his commissioning. The fact that the Sun thinks its worthwhile lies in the fact that he is given a staff to run it with.

Whether it actually makes much difference or not ... Well, the PR firms are all happy to go with a paper that sells 3m copies, but they don't expect to sell many Black Mountain albums on the back of it. However, readers to read those pages. In Jan 06 I had the misfortune to be in a pub with Dan Treacey. A couple of weeks earlier the Sun had tipped the TVPs as one of their "six for 06". Which was obviously madness. Anyway, Treacey said the previous couple of weeks had been a nightmare of white van drivers shouting at him: "You was in the Sun, fella."

ithappens, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 14:48 (sixteen years ago)

Good god!

Still, dammmed if you do...

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 15:49 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.rocksbackpagesblogs.com/2009/11/music-magazine-malaise-another-one-bites-the-dust/

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 November 2009 14:30 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

OMM did a decade issue on November 29th, so will there be a final OMM end of year issue on Sunday: December 27th?

as from January 3rd 2010 should see a new look Observer

Observer makes raft of appointments

Paper gears up for relaunch with four weekly sections next year
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/11/observer-appointments

Guardian News & Media's Sunday title will have four weekly sections – news, sport, an expanded Review section and the Observer Magazine.

djmartian, Sunday, 20 December 2009 12:29 (sixteen years ago)


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