For your consideration - stylus' 2005 singles list

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― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

yea for fiery furnaces, lcd, dangerdoom

ying yang twinz? they can't even spell their own name phonetically

― Robin Samples (Robin Samples), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

which is, after all, a crucial point in the enjoyment of music. fuk doz blaks

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

dangerdoom?

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

yeah, on the right side there

― Robin Samples (Robin Samples), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

why didnt they ask me

― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

There's no Z in the Ying Yang Twins' name, though

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

Robin, do you own a backpack?

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

It's a nice list so far. Though I suspect Sugababes, Ying Yang, Roll Deep and Franz are too low.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

hope sven brede places high

― calderdale in the 70s (gareth), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)

yea for fiery furnaces, lcd, dangerdoom

wtf, these aren't on the list!?

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

also, fiery furnaces are not good

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

they wouldn't let me vote for remixes :(

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

The comment box is the worst thing to happen to internet media since the pop-up ad.

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

my fave example of the week: If you, my critiquing friend, want to try an analyze baseless pop...

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

Lolz - I was too scared to read the Comments.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

why didnt they ask me

Dude, are you on the staff board? You probably should be. All the details are posted there.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

the staff board is impossible to find or get into though!

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

they wouldn't let me vote for remixes

What were you going to vote for, Alex? I was going to vote for DFA1979's "Black History Month (Alan Braxe/Fred Falke Remix)" but was discouraged from doing so.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

the staff board is impossible to find or get into though!

I don't even know what this means. It's a website. You register by signing up. After tat, it's easy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

it didn't work for me the first 3938323 times i tried, so now i don't bother.

remixes i would have voted for - tiga rmx of 'washing up', trentemoller rmx of 'what else is there?', lindstrom rmx of 'tribulations', maybe dj marlboro rmx of 'bucky done gun' - any singles list feels woefully incomplete without them. i like that dfa1979 rmx too.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

ooh you know what the best remix of "bucky done gone" is? and i say this without having heard dj marlboro, or really even knowing who he is. BUT the best remix is by mike barthel! a/k/a eppy. you know: your fellow uk singles jukebox contributor. so good. better than the original.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

are remixes actually singles, though?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

Not really. They're often b-sides of singles.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know that half the things on that list were singles. Animal Collective releasing singles seems pointless, somehow.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

'singles' are outdated though. i mean, '10 dollar' was never a single but it was undeniably the MIA song of 05. and i've never heard the original 'washing up' played in a club but the tiga rmx was basically this year's 'rocker'.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

i would have thought, then, that u shdn't vote remixes for singles.

xpost -- exactly, singles are a bit outdated as a form. but they still exist.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

At least you guys actually have SINGLES, though! More so than here, at least. When I want to find out if something has been released as a single, first place I check is amazon.co.uk.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

I would like to see a remixes list next year. A remix isn't usually a single (tho it can be), and the way I see it is that voting for 'em in the singles list would split the vote for some of these songs. When you vote for a single, you vote for the individual song as an artifact, which can encompass a physical single, a video, a collection of remixes, whatever, which, admittedly, is only SLIGHTLY less outdated notion than that of a single just being a single but enh.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

My favorite remixes of 2005:

M83 - Don't Save Us From the Flames (Superpitcher Remix)
Mary J. Blige - MVP (remix of "Hate It or Love It")
Futureheads - Decent Days and Nights (Max Tundra Remix)
MIA - Bucky Done Gun (The ClapsNoMeansMaybe Remix)
DFA1979 - Black History Month (Alan Braxe/Fred Falke Remix)
Robyn - Be Mine! (Meatboys Remix)
Spoon - I Turn My Camera On (John McEntire Remix)
Amerie - 1 Thing (Siik Remix)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

I like your thinking, in that it sort of justifies ignoring the useless piece of shit edit version of the Hawley song.

Top 10 Remixes of 2005 would be a useful Staff Top 10, I think, it seems a shame not acknowledge stuff like the JLC Mr Brightside remix.

(x-post - that's the spirit)

― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

I almost mentioned the JLC Mr. Brightside Remix, too!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah the jlc killers remix is definitely a case in point, i wouldn't want to put a vote anywhere near the original but the remix was awesome.

i mean, i see the point that if you don't put some sort of embargo on the list then people would end up voting for ridiculously esoteric and obscure stuff, but some remixes were pretty major defining moments of the year.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

I like the pictures of the artists peeking at you. It humanizes the list.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

some remixes were pretty major defining moments of the year.

for serious.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

OK, I just suggested something...

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

The balance on the photos today is great: Missy on the right, Sway on the left, 2D on the left, Leslie Feist on the right, Lindstrom devours the box, and then the Backstreet Boys pass the torch onto Bloc Party in full-span.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

i totally forgot about 'inside and out'! i'm surprised 'incomplete' made it ahead of 'just want you to know'.

'my friend dario' waaaaaay too low.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

I've not heard:

The Mountain Goats – This Year
Lee Ann Womack – Twenty Years and Two Husbands Ago
Young Jeezy feat. Fat Joe and Jay-Z – Go Crazy
Spoon – I Turn My Camera On
Imogen Heap – Hide and Seek
Helen Love – Debbie Loves Joey
Juelz Santana – Mic Check
Paul Wall feat. Big Pokey – Sittin' Sidewayz
Richard Hawley – The Ocean
Feist – Inside and Out
Lindstrøm – I Feel Space

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

oh you have have have to hear 'i feel space' stevem, you would love it. 'inside and out' is also great, as is 'hide and seek' (though emphatically not the rest of the imogen heap album).

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

"Inside and Out" is like having the most wonderful pins slid delicately into your flesh for four minutes, it was my single of the year.

I can't see you really going for Helen Love STM. Do you fondly recall their Shed Seven-baiting "Long Live The UK Music Scene" from the mid 90s?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

every time I played it at trendy London night Forget About The Sugar

lol macpherson

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

I probably have heard the Feist and Lindstrom I just can't remember them at all.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

The Lee Ann Womack is great, pretty much as good a token country song as you could hope to include (though I'd have rathered "That's Why I Hate Pontiacs" or "Fast Cars And Freedom").

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

i was going for the 'completely up myself' angle, dom

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

oh god i remember helen love. it's profoundly depressing that she still exists.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

"Why I Hate Pontiacs" just missed my ballot by one place.

And I forgot completely about "Walking With A Ghost" as well, which would have been top 5.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

yes, how the fuck did that get more votes than sugababes?! xp

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Because it's a better song! Plus sugar-fuelled fun plus pathos-fuelled paean to small-town kids being suffocated by not being in the big city = classic.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

dom it's terrible. your description belongs to the first girls aloud album, not a half-dead britpop leftover trying to crawl through the pop catflap again.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Describing Helen Love as Britpop = you've just had your music critic card revoked.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

"pathos-fuelled paean to small-town kids being suffocated by not being in the big city = classic."

oh BOO FUCKING HOO, get one train ticket.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

britindie then. even worse.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

HL worse than britpop: ACTUAL INDIE

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

crosspost

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

also tolerating small-town kids singing about small-town life is a dangerous step towards the kaiser chiefs.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

SWINGING LONDON TOWN

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

oh BOO FUCKING HOO, get one train ticket.

"Whoever was in charge of planning was so detached from the realities of inner city life in New Orleans ... that they couldn't conceive of the notion that they couldn't load up their SUV's, put $100 worth of gas in there, put some sparkling water and drive off to a hotel and check in with a credit card."

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

also tolerating small-town kids singing about small-town life is a dangerous step towards the kaiser chiefs.

Only a Londoner could describe Leeds as a "small town".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

I note that the blurb on Helen Love was done by possibly the only contributor who hates indie more than The Lex!

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

But she does like the Kaisers!

But Lex likes Nine Black Alps!

Circles within circles.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

H-Lo must be so OLD.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

jessica p is one of the indiest people i have ever encountered.

I GAVE NINE BLACK ALPS SIX! SIX! EVEN 'BIOLOGY' IS BETTER

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

leeds is small, anyway. what is in leeds?

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Nine Black Alps are way more indie than the Kaiser Chiefs.

(Lex, I read your posts and sometimes think I'm staring into bizarro world. In the best possible way, you are irreplacable, DO NOT CHANGE EVER.)

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

(also, if I'd submitted my ballot to the right address, My Friend Dario probably would have made top 20, so sorry sorry sorry, Lex)

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

but - i cannot stress this enough - i don't like nine black alps anyway. and i like joanna newsom who is way more indie than either of them, though she is acceptable indie rather than unacceptable dreadfulness.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Leeds wishes it was London. I think they're both shite.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Helen Love is a band (and "Debbie Loves Joey" is BRILLIANT. It's possible that someone is thinking of Mary Love and getting confused.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

yeah i got a bit confuse, but HL was/were/are/is DEFINITELY shit.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

no, i have definitely heard 'debbie loves joey' and it is definitely appalling

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

i googled the lyrics, and rational science says it cannot be good.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

"The Avenue" is shit. Some of the other stuff in the list I liked a lot, though.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

But when it comes to music (especially a Spector-gone-punk-bubblegum-pop song), I find listening to trump rational science.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

it just read like something a fanzine writer from 1995 might write.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

i was about to say, it is wrong in exactly the same way that fan fic is wrong.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

'the avenue' is there because liking obviously shit takes on grime is the new laughing at grime for some people, dom.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Look, just tell me. Should I listen to the Helen Love thing or does it sound like The Darling Fucking Buds?

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

You should, it is a lovely, catchy little pop song.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

It sounds like "New York City" by Cub, if that helps.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

I saw it compared to Kenickie. I think the odds are against me enjoying it.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

More like The Primitives or Shampoo or The Raveonettes, perhaps, except speeded up to within an inch of its life.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

Go on, then. It'll only be three mins out of your life.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

I've lived through 1989 once already, thank you.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

It's not as good as the darling buds, but it's ok. ish.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Ed could you Gmail me the Helen Love tune please? My g/f used to like them/her/it and wants to hear it.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

if they have kayne west as #1 then it will be usual stylus shit

if they have girls aloud as #1 then stylus will officially be nothing but a parody

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

i think 'Dare' might win.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

"Dare" blew my head up in the pub last night. Whoever said Shaun ruins it wants to lay off the PCP for a bit.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

"Dare" is great!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Check your gmail in about 5, Nick.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

ah yes the weird gorillaz love, 2005's greatest mystery to me

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

all collective singles of the year lists are surely a two-horse race between two REALLY OBVIOUS ~~MARES~~HORSES

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

There's nothing weird about Gorillaz love: SHAUN RYDER + DE LA SOUL + MONKEYS

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

"Dare" sounds amazing when heard indistinctly, blaring out of a nearby building, or out of a radio in the next room, but I don't like it that much when I hear it and pay attention.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

just because he has taken the form of a cartoon monkey IT IS STILL DAMON ALBARN RUNNING THAT GORILLAZ SHIT AND DAMON ALBARN NEVER DESERVES YOUR PRAISE OR TIME

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

esteban buttez otm

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

and shaun ryder's a twat too

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

B-b-b-b-b-but MONKEYS!

Shaun's twattery does not stop him being super-entertaining.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

dare is great.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

i think '1 thing' and 'since u been gone' are the likely trakcs, although i guess you have to factor in the indieness.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

(I am amazed at how quickly some threads shoot up into triple digits...)

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

"biology" and "hollaback girl" have to factor in there too. Other predictions: R. Kelly, Three Six Mafia, Mylo and maybe Damian Marley sneak in there although its tough to see a couple of those in the top 20.

― jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Four of those six tracks are in the top 20. Which ones? Tune in tomorrow!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

what did mylo release this year?

'stay high' is ace but three six mafia have zero uk profile.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

So does grime, and I'm sure RTR2 will be in our top 50 albums list.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

(zing)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

RTR2 isn't even in MY albums list.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

I think "drop the pressure" came out this year but it could have come out two years ago for all i know about mylo.

― jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

i have no idea whether RTR1 was this year or last year.

the grime mix to vote for is clearly bossman's street anthems vol 2, anyway

'drop the pressure' feels like it's been around for about a decade

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

(dom what are the albums rules? will i be getting an email?)

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Drop The Pressure came out last year and this year.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

If you went to the message board, you'd know these rules!

(But, yeah, check your inbox in about ten minutes)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Dom (or whoever), is your top list compiled from the results of the weekly pop playground polls, or do you come up with the list through a separate process?

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Nah, it's done in the standard way, all the staff submit their top 20 singles and we tabulate. If it was just taken from the UK jukebox list, two of the top three spots would be The Stevens.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Hey stylus writers, we have our own board to post about this stuff you know!

(Honestly, how DID that backstreet boys song get so high?)

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

(Meaning I want to see what some non-writers have to say about the list)

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

The minute I saw this thread I knew exactly what was gonna be going on. Anyway why didn't you just go ahead and vote for remixes Lex? i voted for stufff that I knew didn't have a chance getting in like Helen Love ha ha ha and that's not indie anyway it's schmindie which y'know is completely different...

― jive session (elwisty), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Who the fuck are deej. and jive session?!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Cos, like, I remember hiring Dom but I have no idea who the fuck anyone else is.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

hiring

hahahaha

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

"Yo Dom do you fancy talkign shit on my dude Todd's website?"

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

you know who i am nick.

i threw a minor hissy fit after learning of the remixes embargo and just chucked the first things i could think of on to the bottom of the list.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I know who YOU are, obv. Lex.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

SELL HIM YOUR SOUL SELL HIM YOUR SOUL SELL HIM YOUR SOUL SELL HIM YOUR SOUL

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

NEVER LOOK LOOK BACK

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

yo nick southall i am paul scott. hello. i er sorta bypassed you on the stylus thing, i guess...

― jive session = styluses Paul Scott amirite? (elwisty), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Have you written me a Soulseeking yet, Henry?

Paul Scott?? Are you nu?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Go Crazy is weak.

― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

er I have been doing the jukebox for 40 weeks and one album review... did the 'box by myself this week er anyway i guess obscure rather then new, cos no one has told me how to get on the message board. Does anyone else get the feeling that the jukebox is in it's own little world slightly outside Stylus? Anyway i was gonna msn u awhile back nick, i live with wbs, but you don't have any idea who i am ha ha. i met lex thou! TWICE!!!

― -- jive session = styluses Paul Scott amirite? (elwisty), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

deej = drake

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

i'm on the motherfucker, nick.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Things are making sense now. The Jukebox is indeed a world of mystery to me.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

yes i remember paul, you came to sugar! and another time, maybe poptimism? was i v drunk?

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

(Honestly, how DID that backstreet boys song get so high?)

I know! When I learned that it was in the top 40, I was like "whoa, I guess Barthel likes it enough that it just barely cracked the top 40 on his votes alone" -- and then I wake up this morning and find it's like #24! It's not that good, people.

Do you remember me, Nick?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you're the dude with the beard, right?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Should Passantino be allowed to know that Ryan Pitchfork has a beard now?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Backstreet fans on the Stylus voting panel, at a guess: Barthel, Miccio, Popper, Burns, Unterburger?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

"Incomplete" is only OK, in the bottom third of BSB singles. Now, if "Climbing The Walls" had been the single, I could understand it being #24, even HIGHER.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Should Passantino be allowed to know that Ryan Pitchfork has a beard now?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/259038~Katie-Holmes.jpg

amirite?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

lol passantino

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, is it what Viz magazine helpfully termed a "bloatee", as worn by Messrs Moyles and Vegas?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

x post

yeh the first time we met our conversation was cut short by you shouting "omg britney! sorry I have to dance!" and then doing just that which was sort of brilliant. i was probably wearing a cardigan so it was the like the jukebox dynamic but REAL or something.

you have ventured into the jukebox once Nick, as I remember, to say something like; Embrace? Great 10/10 ktnxbye! (this is true)

this is like the stylus x mas party with senior staffers getting all confused about who exactly works there.

― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Bold prediction: "Debbie Loves Joey" will not feature in the Pitchfork list.

IT'S A SHOOT TONY!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Dom: no. Dude's skinny.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

(xpost obv)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Will gets me in for contractual obligation stuff.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

brilliant. ur a legend, lex.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

(Meaning I want to see what some non-writers have to say about the list)

haha deej you gotta post this on a board other than ILM if you want that.

And Backstreet Boys only made my top 30 - though I think its awesome it made this list!

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Backstreet fans on the Stylus voting panel, at a guess: Barthel, Miccio, Popper, Burns, Unterburger?

And Brown.

― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

I was going to say.

No, I was surprised it got so high, too, but it's one of the "no doy" singles of the year for me. There were some I put on my list I was kinda meh about, but that was an automatic. I don't even see a case against it, really, except for "it's by the Backstreet Boys."

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

I am going to listen to it now and prove you wrong.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Wait, for some reason, I only have a minute and a half of the song on my iPod. The strings are too gloopy and make the whole thing sound overcooked.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

some moments I especially dig

1. "empty spaces fill me up with holes"
2. the way they ALMOST become Nickelback on the chorus
3. the violins careening down after the title phrase
4. "oh baby, my baby"
5. "I'm awake, but my world is half asleep" - much of the power of this song comes from the earnest declarations of the trippy macabre - very Bee Gees!

the video, which makes me shit things I never ate, also deserves mention.

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

It's a power ballad that isn't about how much a girl has hurt them, so it wins.

Also, Debbie Loves Joey is about bopping around to pop-punk and wearing sunglasses and hugging.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

neither made it onto my Stylus ballot, but on my top 100 singles list I dismissed "Incomplete" as too Coldplay and opted for "I Just Want You To Know".

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

It'd be better if it was MORE like Coldplay!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Coldplay _wish_ they had the giant energy of BSB. (Except they don't.)

― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

you know what would be really interesting? a stylus READERS poll... look at those comments, maximo park in the top 20 omg wtf etc

― jive session (elwisty), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Wait, what, who the fuck are Al and eppy? Is there anyone on this thread who DOESN'T write for Stylus?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Al Shipley. I did today's Sheek Louch review.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

I COME HERE TO GET AWAY FROM STYLUS.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

eppy = the dude who wrote the "Incomplete" blurb.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

This is worse than that time I found Derek Miller under my bed.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

"Sometimes I have a feeling the only people who read Stylus are the people who write for Stylus." -- some dude

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

the comments box disproves that.

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

sadly

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

eppy = the dude who wrote the "Incomplete" blurb

But his name's NOTHING LIKE "eppy"?!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

The comments box is the only reason I'm still writing for Stylus. I fucking love them.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

A co-worker at my old job asked me if I wrote reviews for Stylus. Acc. to him Stylus has much better metal reviews than Pitchfork. SO PEOPLE DO READ IT YESSIREE

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

yay.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3565

Best comments ever.

(If anyone touches them, I'll fucking kill you.)

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm still waiting for the reader who snapped a photo of me dancing like a loon at Lollapalooza ("wait, John, were you the guy wearing a yellow shirt and brown corduroys?") to send me the picture.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Nick OTM about those Underwood comments. They're perfect.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Is there anyone on this thread who DOESN'T write for Stylus?
You should hire Noodle Vague :) complete the circle!

also, I haven't read this yet (though it will surely be gruelling & frustrating, but better than Pitchfork's) but am highly amused by the Helen Love sidethread & will return for any YSI's later.

byeeee!

― fandango (not here) (fandango), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Top 3 Stylus comments boxes:

3) Carrie Underwood
2) Muse
1) Tori Amos

0) Eminem

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

The best part about that Muse comments box is Mathers popping in with a comment that's apparently directed to a completely different article.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Will someone argue to me that Tori Alamaze > Mariah?

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, Tori's Doncha > We Belong Together

is craaaazy to me.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Mariah shouldn't release songs that don't have Fatman Scoop shouting over them anymore.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

For a few months it couldn't be avoided, but who would want to? The biggest song of the year with no competitors for miles, Mariah's comeback was so perfect PR gurus couldn't have manufactured it; this was a performance so evocative that there wasn't a soul alive who didn't sing along with the radio when (in its most memorable moment) a distraught Ms. Carey sings along with the radio (how meta!) and we all know how she feels. Only difference was, none of us dared to change the station.

― Dan (#35) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

I think Drake means in terms of popularity: it was #1 for 14 weeks.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Well, it was the only song this year to hit #1 on the Hot 100 for 14 weeks, so that's something (whether "Gold Digger"'s 10 week streak is within miles is up for debate). (xpost)

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

I am pointing out the complete and total discongruity between the placement of "We Belong Together" on the list and the blurb that describes it.

― Dan (Clearly The Best Song Of The Year (Except For These 34 Other Songs)!) Perry, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

B(igg)est

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

There is more to the blurb beyond the line I bolded, you know.

― Dan (But, You Know, Feel Free To Ignore That) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

All of the blurbs are going to be pretty effusive, since you know, it's a list of the best singles of the year. The 35th-best single is still pretty good.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

yes, it says that the song is very good. does it say it's the best? (xp)

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

It should obviously have had the opening line "Mariah Carey may be no LCD Soundsystem, but she sure has a thing or two over Helen Love, amirite?"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

“Switch It On” came from nowhere and surprised everyone who heard it—a schizophrenically eclectic barrage of Dolly Parton, Talk Talk-style apocalyptic harmonica breakdowns in the chorus, “Faith” by George Michael and some Bo Diddley too, all as re-imagined by Basement Jaxx. It was Will Young’s very own psychotherapeutic primal scream, and we couldn’t believe it was him when it first hit the airwaves. Also factor in a psychedelic-rock guitar solo, some punishing beats and the opening melody from “Footloose,” by the way. Will Young is the guy from Pop Idol, remember—and “Switch It On” was the wildest, most unexpectedly brilliant single of the year.

― Dan (#34) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Editing is for chumps!

― Dan (My Takeaway From This List) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Yes, because the list is "50 Wildest Singles of the Year" and "Top 50 Singles By Artists You Wouldn't Have Expected To Release A Single As Good As This", well spotted Dan.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

it bears mentioning that aside from what's in the top 10 and what isn't, the blurb writers have no idea what numbers the songs place at when writing the blurbs.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Using up all of your superlatives halfway through a ranked list: C/D?

(xpost: Hence the editing comment, Al.)

― Dan (This Was The Most Entertaining, Involving Thing I Heard All Year, Which Is , Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Nick has at least five adjectives he knows, he's not even used half of them yet.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Also: individual-writers-having-subjective-opinions-that-don't-always-jibe-with-the-collective-results shocker.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

(i.e., you'd maaaaaybe have a point if the writers' names were omitted)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

ILMer in defensive point-missing reaction non-shocker.

(IE, you'd maaaaaaaaaaaybe have a point if the placement on the individual blurb-writers' lists was included.)

― Dan (THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE EDITORS) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

(It is, on the Friday)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I can't be the only one who reads Drake's Mariah blurb and thinks, "Oh, okay, he must really like that song, and it was probably higher on his list than on other people's lists, but enough people liked it well enough for it to get in the top 50." I really don't see any incongruity.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

actually the words 'biggest' and 'wildest' don't actually mean the same thing as 'best' or 'greatest' so what's the problem?

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

if somebody says #15 is the wildest then yeah, its a little incongruous.

That said if Stylus writers are going to link to their works here they should expect worse criticisms than this.

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

if somebody says #15 is the wildest then yeah, its a little incongruous.

their #15 or the site's #15?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

either, dude. The blurb is for the site and if you want to pretend folks are reading this from top to bottom there's no reason to contradict yourself.

I wrote a rather irreverent blurb about the Strokes (or rather the Knack) for the Best Albums Of The Last Five Years deal last year, assuming it was #34 or something. It was #4. Had I known I would have given it a superlative.

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Saying 'but we don't know what comes next' means that you should probably avoid grandiose statements rather than your readers shouldn't complain about this stuff.

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Saying 'but we don't know what comes next' means that you should probably avoid grandiose statements rather than your readers shouldn't complain about this stuff.

Or, you know, your editors should have you rework your grandiose statements so that they fit in with the actual chart placement, seeing as this is being presented as a unified list and all.

― Dan (Harshest Criticism Ever!) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

You're so mean! *sniffle*

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

prediction: Sigur Ros - Glosoli - will be number 1 Stylus single

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Or, even better, everything could have been edited to conform to my blurb, so everything could have been in some way or another about my Thanksgiving vacation.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

either, dude. The blurb is for the site and if you want to pretend folks are reading this from top to bottom there's no reason to contradict yourself.

I just wanted some clarification, because while I disagree that the "wildest" single at #15 is incongruous (wildest!=best), I can see your point more if it was the writer's personal #15 -- because then it's like, "hey if you think it's so wild, shouldn't that count for something?" If it's the site's #15, I don't see the problem at all. The writer does not stand in for the site as a whole, nor should s/he.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Um, if the writer's blurb is representing the song for the amalgamated list, it absolutely DOES stand in for the site as a whole!

― Dan (ILM Focus Groups Have Ruined ILMers Reading Skills) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

jaymc, these blurbs are being put in a consecutive ranked order for the site. The reader is being told to read them this way - the least we can do is make it flow and non-contradictory, solipsism be damned.

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

The Mountain Goats – This Year

This year for Thanksgiving, we decided to aromatize our turkey breast by placing partially-cooked apples and onions underneath. This combination of acrid and sweet is a perfect description of this Mountain Goats song, which is not the best song of the year (neither was the turkey), but is a delicious treat nonetheless. (Ditto!)

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Lee Ann Womack – Twenty Years and Two Husbands Ago

Twenty years and two husbands ago this Thanksgiving, I was like 6 and probably really into Looney Toons. Ms. Womack's song, however, is none so childish, and the emotional range displayed here is one I would have been incapabale of, twenty years and really only like two servings of dressing ago, as I just started eating dressing recently.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Spoon – I Turn My Camera On

Upstate New York is no place for dancing, but dancing is just what Spoon wants us to do in this addictive little ditty that, while good, is no #39 or anything. The video could have used more distinct shots of hot chicks, as could have my Thanksgiving break. I was lonely, so lonely, and man it's hard to get drunk when you have to drive home and your parents can hear the garage door open. Suck. Unlike this song, which didn't.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Animal Collective – Grass

The grass was all covered up with snow. The GRASS was all covered up with SNOW! I CAN NEVER GO HOME AGAIN!

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Rachel Stevens – I Said Never Again (But Here We Are)

And yet I keep coming back. God I'm pathetic.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

save it for your blog, dude

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I was enjoying it. :D

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't have to save it for my blog because I can get Stylus to publish it! Score!

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

prediction: Sigur Ros - Glosoli - will be number 1 Stylus single

-- DJ Martian (altmartinu...), December 7th, 2005. (djmartian) (later)

is that a joke????? if not then lol x 673247328

― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

I didn't vote for "Incomplete," though I'm pretty happy it placed.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Shouldn't we confine these exclamations to our message board?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

You mean the other one?

― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Exclamations?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Which is where, again?

― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

say 'BOO-urns' into the mirror six times

― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I thought that was how you made the woman in white appear.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

“Switch It On” REALLY WAS the wildest, most unexpectedly brilliant single of the year though!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Who is Dan Perry anyway, does he write for Stylus?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

“Switch It On” REALLY WAS the wildest, most unexpectedly brilliant single of the year though!

I don't think anyone's arguing that! BUT can it be the wildest, most unexpectedly brilliant single of the year AND also be the 34th best?

...

Oh wait, you wrote that.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

Who is Dan Perry anyway, does he write for Stylus?

Dan Perry was asked; he asked the asker to point out which samples of his writing caught the asker's attention and never got a response, so he didn't pursue it any further.

― Dan (If I Still Have It, I Could Forward You The Email You Sent Me About It) Per, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

(hahahahahaha btw)

― Dan (Hahaha) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

"biggest" in my blurb referred to mariah's song's omnipresence and had nothing to do with the song's ranking. I was also aware that the song was not making the top ten. Not sure what the issue is.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

Top 10 prediction

Fischerspooner - Just let go

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

what else?

so...

1. Sigur Ros
2. Fischerspooner

anymore predictions?

― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

10. BRITISH GIRL BAND BULLSHIT
09. ANGULAR POPPY ROCK BAND WITH SHAG 'DO
08. R&B WITH FUNNY NOISES AND GUEST RAPPER
07. TOKEN DANCE RECORD
06. BRITISH GIRL BAND BULLSHIT
05. THROWBACK INDIE
04. GRIME/BAILE FUNK/DANCEHALL DELETE-AS-NECESSARILY
03. NOVELTY RECORD BASED ON CLARENCE THE COW RINGTONE
02. BRITISH GIRL BAND BULLSHIT
01. "SINCE U BEEN GONE"

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but what about the Stylus list?

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

outside bet: Kelly Osbourne

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

hahaha. oh jess.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

actually that's pitchforks, mea culpa

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

that list is maybe 30% correct but in spirit it's about 100% right on.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

that's pretty much the list you're gonna get anywhere this year, i think.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

Does pfork have something catchdubs-related in the top ten?

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

is there a joke in there somewhere?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

If you answer yes, there might be.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

bravo.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

oh i forgot about kelly clarkson

if she gets no. 1 that will be dumb but not nearly as dumb as girls aloud at no. 1 (and you know that is going to happen)

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

'Robin, do you own a backpack?'

hmmm, well..

'It's a nice list so far. Though I suspect Sugababes, Ying Yang, Roll Deep and Franz are too low.'

hehe i see someone in need of a backpack..

― Robin Samples (Robin Samples), Thursday, 8 December 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

Dan Perry was asked; he asked the asker to point out which samples of his writing caught the asker's attention and never got a response, so he didn't pursue it any further.

-- Dan (If I Still Have It, I Could Forward You The Email You Sent Me About It) Perry

I did? When? I always vaguelly meant to but didn't think I had...

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Or, you know, your editors should have you rework your grandiose statements so that they fit in with the actual chart placement, seeing as this is being presented as a unified list and all.

i am not reworking any grandiose statements to fit in with a list which places beardy indie folky crap like (whatever beardy indie folky crap gets in the top 20) above vitalic. no no no. i would stamp my feet and pout.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

what is british girl band bullshit?

― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 8 December 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

There's no beardy indie folky crap in the top 20 Lex. Me and Nick both offered to resign if Devandra finished in the list.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

devendra was the last of my worries. i'm sure there's a bunch of shit still to come.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

A Lex Friendly 20-11!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

no, that is not a lex-friendly 20-11, because while i unreservedly adore 9 of those 10 songs (and even then i heartily approve of antony's existence) i am now distressed that none of them are top 10 where they belong. what songs could possibly be better?!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

oh yes, my fucking chemical romance. anyone who believes that is a better song than any of nos 11-21 is out of their minds.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

no way 'negotiate with love' is better than 'biology' and i'm not even going to comment on madonna pulling a puff daddy putting her name on a disco sample and expecting respect for it.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

"Negotiate With Love" is better than "Biology" easy. Also, Madonna roxx, we are all gay... evidently.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

Stylus has a higher percentage of gay writers than fucking Boyz though, so that's not really surprising.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

there was a time when the jukebox seemed to be entirely comprised of gayers called alex.

'negotiate with love' > 'biology', yes.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

i guess it helps that madonna has gone for the tranny look this time round then

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

You would though, Esteban, admit it!

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

'negotiate with love' > 'biology', yes, but neither as good as 'I said never again (but here we are)'.

This list needs Geir to up the Macca/Coldplay factor.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

One of the reasons I'm only QUITE PLEASED with the new GA album is that the best song on the GA album is "Biology" or "Swinging London Town", but there are no less than six songs off "Come And Get It" that I think are easily better than either.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

I did? When? I always vaguelly meant to but didn't think I had...

I think it was two years ago? Something like that? I know it was before I switched to my gmail account, which is why I might not have the email anymore.

― Dan (So, Close Enough) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I think Jess secretly guessed our 11-20, + "Since U Been Gone"

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Offer's still open, Dan - I'd love you to write for us in pretty much any capacity.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Dan & Ned at Stylus:

http://images.zap2it.com/ltvimages/images/240/rogerebert_richardroeper_240_001.jpg

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I have no fucking clue who those people are, and I still find that photo funny. Are they like the American Trinny and Susannah or something?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ondarock.it/photo/Sigurros.jpg

Sigur Ros get ready for their #1 position tomorrow!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

dUDE ON THE LEFT IS ONE OF THE POST-OPS FROM pUSSYCAT dOLLS PRE-OP, RIGHT? Oops, caps.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Damn you Dom for fucking-up my funny.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/C.Talboom/muppets/gif/statwald.jpg

(PS Nick: Drop me a line.)

― Dan (Perhaps This Would Be More Accurate) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

"Besides, Madonna has a better voice than Frida or Agnetha, you know" pfft.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

She does!

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

You know, I STILL haven't heard "Hung Up" in its entirety. Is it even getting US airplay?

― Dan (And I Listen To Top-40 Radio Every Morning In The Shower) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

(xpost: Oh Alfred, please put the crack pipe down.)

― Dan (Seriously) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

That's not crack talking, that's a total crystal meth hallucination. He's gonna eat Madonna's lungs out on the sidewalk soon.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather hear Madonna sing "Live To Tell" than ABBA do "The Winner Takes It All."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

puff daddy didn't have a MAGIC FILTER.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather hear Madonna sing "Live To Tell" than ABBA do "The Winner Takes It All."

That kind of has absolutely nothing to do with innate singing ability.

You could also argue that Madonna is a better singer than Renee Fleming but that would be even more insane and bizarre; Madonna has never been known for her singing ability!

― Dan (Historical Fact) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Ah, so this is where that top ten list of Jess's is from.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Well, suffice it to say that I like the sound of Madonna's voice better than the Swedish sob sisters'.

(xpost)

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

aw man MCR! Now I can't wait for the rest of the list, I thought my favourites were all already covered.

― spontine (cis), Thursday, 8 December 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Madonna is a better rapper than Missy, y'all.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Yeah but so am I.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Those Russian squirrels that ate a dog are better rappers than Missy!

(xpost)

― Dan (Meaningless Criticisms Wahey) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Hahahah.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

the crack pipe...it enlarges so...

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

I like Missy a lot but let's not pretend like she's got mad linguistic skills!

― Dan (Eyes Open, Please) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

you're saying she's a bad rapper/MC linguistically? i don't quite follow.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Her bag of words from which she draws her lyrics is relatively small and, like many of her peers, she can hardly be bothered to write actual rhymes.

She's clever, she's funny, she's entertaining, she's repetitive and by most metrics used to measure one's ability to rhyme, she's not that good. She's also a total studio baby in that she's got all of these fantastic deliveries in the studio that somehow translate into a monotone bellow when she gets into a live performance.

― Dan (TRUTH) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, she's quite dull live.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Could you perhaps look up "monotone" in a dictionary?

― Dan (Is It World Dumbass Day Today?) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

you've just described the majority of popular MCs out there but hey ho.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) Or maybe Alfred meant the monotone contributes to the dullness. Or that he agreed with you ("yeah") and then wanted to add another point.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

i've never seen a live rap/rnb show ever but even on record u don't go to missy for the vocals, surely?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Missy's monotone bellow is quite dull live; I don't know how I can make that clearer, Dan. And I agree that by most standards she's not the best rapper.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

She's a better rapper than Madonna is a vocalist.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Wait, I was kidding, I didn't mean to spark an actual debate. Carry on, though.

Everyone in the entire world is a better rapper than Madonna. A developmentally disabled deaf-mute being clubbed to death is a better rapper than Madonna.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

I have developmentally disabled deaf-mute friends who were clubbed to death and I find that offensive.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

They COULD NOT RAP.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

But they could make noises, like Madonna did in "American Life."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Were your friends all actually Madonna?

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

I am not not, nor ever have been, Guy Richie's anal douche.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

ew ew ew ew ew @ "guy richie's anal douche"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Who said anything about Guy Richie's anal douche? I think someone just incriminated himself...

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

He must have to pump hard to get all the bits of his own beard out of his prostate.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

for anyone who hasn't yet heard 'Hung Up' or the golden voice of Madonna in it's full glory

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

2 references to Diplo in the 20-11 blurbs (and neither is in the M.I.A. blurb)!

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Sorry Alfred, I thought you were being sarastic! Mea culpa.

Stevem, I actually had a very long post that dissected everything wrong with "Lose Control" from a rhyme scheme standpoint that also pointed out that most rappers on the scene today can't rhyme their way out of a paper bag.

― Dan (Mmmm, Tasty Foot) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

(Also LOL at that video clip of Madonna! "Time goes by so slowly" but apparently the pitches are moving faster than the speed of light.)

― Dan (Warble Warble Oops) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

I like Missy a lot on 'Lose Control' - no humour this time sure but her tone and general demeanour reflects the sleek, mechanical, formalist of yer Cybotron backing track well enough. Of course she could've just said 'DO MA THING MUHVUHFUHKA' on a loop and I would've loved it still/more.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

She's uncomplicated I guess.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

20-11 is my least favorite section so far. On the other hand, in the other 10's i heard maybe half of each at most.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

50-41 was my least favorite, nothing I'd heard besides overrated "Go Crazy". Without giving too much away, I was surprised by how much stuff I like got into the top 10, but outside the top 10 there was very little.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Wow @ Madge's singing on that clip.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Agreed re: top ten. Looking again at 50-41, I've only heard three songs on the list and only two of them are ok with me, neither of which i voted for - go crazy and the mountain goats song. I guess it was just the utter similarity between jess' list and the actual 20-11 results that made me blargh.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Wow @ Madge's singing on that clip

I just saw it. I hereby retract what I've claimed on this thread.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Jess's list sounds like a fine batch of tracks from this year - no need to blargh.

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

I like Missy a lot on 'Lose Control'

SO DO I. I also love "Gold Digger" to itty-bitty pieces. This doesn't change the simple fact that apparently both Missy and Kanye are allergic to writing raps that actually rhyme.

― Dan (Etc etc) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

xp to anthony: assuming you really really like uk girl pop.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Geico rhymes with Miko rhymes with Tyco! And money rhymes with money rhymes with money (money) (money)

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

xp to anthony: assuming you really really like uk girl pop.

All two songs on the list!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

those are places that rightfully belong to some asshole with a baseball cap.

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

I'm not really sure if you're saying I like hip-hop or Jason mraz there, but really there are plenty of songs in plenty of house-rap-R&B genres I'd prefer to see. But that is of course the fun of the collective judgement.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Drake, there's like 13 R&B/hip-hop tracks on the list, and two tween pop ones. It's not like this is the great Stylus homo overthrow.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

I second the thanks on the Madge ciip. I am probably being hypocritical in that I would love the song if Rachel were singing it. I still think it's a last desperate gasp for Lady Ciccione.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Surely four UK girl-pop spots? Two Rachel Stevens, one Girls Aloud, one Sugababes. Unless you're only counting the groups.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

OK first off Dom, I have nothing against girl power popiness, I liked "The Show" ok and all, it's just that in the states, where a good number of the voters are from, they have zero profile, and its weird how out of all the world musics (haha) that we could choose to vote for, we choose UK girl-pop. I mean, if it connects with people great, I guess the UK folks just do a good job lobbying for their girl-pop.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

(i'm assuming that those 4 artists could only have gotten that high in the list with some American voter support. I know Erick is a fan and I think dr. bill is too. Also, I'm not complaining about a lack of R&B or hip-hop, just saying there were songs I like more etc. I mean dancehall had some good tracks, and reggaeton, and plenty of other musics that have a higher profile in the u.s.)

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't count Rachel Stevens as "girl pop" because she's not popular.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but those styles have zero profile outside the US.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

xp Haha how am I supposed to know? I assumed she was as big as the grimesters ;)

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

xp Right now they kind of do!

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

its weird how out of all the world musics (haha) that we could choose to vote for, we choose UK girl-pop

deej why are you being an idiot?

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't count Rachel Stevens as "girl pop" because she's not popular.

Haha, yeah, I had no idea, either.

"Negotiate with Love" was on my list, but the others weren't.

Also you will notice that American Nate DeYoung wrote the "Biology" blurb.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure how I'm being an idiot, but that might go along w being an idiot. Care to explain? namecalling is :(

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

I mean did you not read the conditional "I mean if it connects with people, great"?

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

I voted for "Negotiate with Love" because it's basically the closest thing we had to "Toxic" in 2005.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

The Stylus UK writers' apprecation of pop is far less a fetishism of foreign culture than your own tastes, deej.

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, burn!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

I remember liking that song when I heard it. But nothing really popped up reminding me to listen to it (i.e. radio, friends, TV, etc) so I forgot.

I even wrote an Annie blurb last year! It's not like I'm against europop. I just have trouble following all the various idol incarnations that don't exist in my country.

xp Haha oh that's cute anthony. White kid, know your place!

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

You're white?

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

How is rap music not all over the fucking place here? are you kidding me? I have friends who like rap, I have friends who think they are rappers, I sat in an electronic composition class in high school where kids tried to make beats.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

Rap is on the radio, rap is on TV, rap is played out of passing cars....yes fetishization of an 'other' give me a fucking break. (Never mind that I never accused anyone of 'fetishizing' uk girl pop)

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

Next you'll tell me that Swyggart knows British girls.

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Um, I think it's more "American, know you're voting in a poll with a ginormous number of pop-obsessed UK people voting in it" but that might just be crazy talk.

― Dan (Aren't Like 179% Of Editorial Britishes?) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

http://admissions.wooster.edu/traditions/images/tootsieroll2.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Dan I'm talking about all the American people who voted for it. Nate, Andrew, Erick, all of whom, by the way, I consider friends (well, andrew is an e-friend but i guess that counts) and I'm not telling them their votes suck.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

http://admissions.wooster.edu/traditions/images/pipers.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Next you'll tell me that Swyggart knows British girls.

That's blatantly not true though.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

(And John too!)

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wooster.edu/home/rotate/after_class3.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

what exactly are you saying than, deej?

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

http://admissions.wooster.edu/traditions/images/parade.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

its weird how that out of all the world musics (haha) that we could choose to vote for...

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

http://academics.wooster.edu/fys/classroom.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

are the bloc party world musics (haha)? MIA?

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Having fun John?

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Did you know that guy in the red sweater?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

The Bloc Party and MIA do have a profile here.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

Isolee?

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

MIA's is relatively small of course, but that didn't keep me from hearing some kid talk about her 'dope beats' at a cafe the other day.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

and since when did having a 'profile' in the U.S. matter?

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Its weird how many people are voting for isolee.

Are you making a point here?

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

WHY ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY READING AND THEN - YE GODS - ARGUING (=IMPLIES YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU READ) ABOUT A STYLUS LIST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD? HOW COME THE STYLUS THREADS ARE ALWAYS STARTED BY SOME HACK AT STYLUS BUT THE PFORK THREADS ARE NEVER STARTED BY SOME HACK AT PFORK? WHY ARE ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY READING STYLUS? YOU DO REALIZE YOU ONLY HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS PLANET RIGHT?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh teh ironeee

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't MEAN anything, except regarding exposure to artists. For me personally, i didn't come across girls aloud etc regularly (or very much at all, other than a random YSI on ILM) so when suddenly there's a bunch of girl-pop on the list, yes i thought it was WEIRD.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

that you're not?

x-post haha blount you're the last person who should throw stones when it comes to goading young sensitives. I do wish people would stop starting this 'article response' threads when they only reveal how poorly they take criticism.

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Dude I'm not the one who started talking shit because I said it was weird that obscure (to americans) girl pop was ranking so high on the list, thanks to votes from americans.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

you should have, though

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

John - didn't know the guy in the red sweater, I think I know the guy in the immediate foreground with the red hair.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

yeah I hope it's made you feel productive, anthony.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Deej, there's lots of UK girl-pop love all over message boards like ILM and SOMB -- which (surprise) a lot of U.S. Stylus writers also read and post on, including yourself! We hear about the stuff, it sounds interesting, we download it, it's on the list.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

who's goading young sensitives??? and how fucking emo rockcrit hack do you have to be to write the phrase 'goading young sensitives'? and why does anyone who doesn't write for stylus actually read stylus (note: theoretically, i've seen no actual evidence that anyone who doesn't write for stylus actually reads stylus)? if i'm wrong and it's not just dullard resume central oops i'm sorry but plz to point out five decent stylus pieces plz plz plz so i can understand whywhywhy or have a more generous reason to ascribe than 'careerism'.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

all i know is this guy at the library I used to work at thought Stylus had better metal reviews than pitchfork. beyond that, I have no idea.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

Yeah fair enough. I get the connection. It just struck me as odd reading through the list because I normally haven't paid attention to most of those threads.

I'm not sure why Anthony thought I was getting mad at people for liking europop. Or if that is what he thought. Or what he was saying really at all.

xp jblount, how about "for fun"? Or because "we are nerds about music"? Whats yr point? omg stylus is amateur omg.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

("yeah fair enough" - refers to john's comment)

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Stylus gets more hits than ILX, I know that for a start.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Yet Blount writes for us instead of Flagpole now.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Haha also blount you clearly haven't read our award-deserving comments sections.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

(which are pretty clearly not written by stylus writers.)

(unless it's all Dom playing a big practical joke.)

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

We also get more readers a week than the NME now, which, you know, worse things have happened.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

I don't fuck with the comments section at all, I just Google the guy's usernames and lol at their Myspaces.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

re: NME, for real or are you using Ott numbers?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

For real!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

At the very least, I'm glad that few people read the NME.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

We just need to get some of that haircare product sponsorship money now. Fuck Grey's Anatomy.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

plz to point me to something for the love of god! and hint: avoid custos passantino, nor that 'o gee i'm twentythree and a dling freak and music don't mean as much to me anymo' *cue 'landslide'*. i mean i understood why people actually read pfork - they nailed the demographic, made it must-see-tv (homepage for too many people i know i swear), 'broke' a few acts (arcade fire's their springsteen), cannily acquired heft (i always thought they shoulda gone after cmj harder and added college radio charts during cmj's payola scandal but i'm hardly one to crit pfork's marketing moxy). stylus - i don't know, it's pretty nondescript isn't it? what am i missing? if i list twenty working pop writers i love to read three of them regulary write for pfork (riffraff, jess, sherburne)(and stelfox's column is essential albeit too bad he writes like hugh beaumont)(and ethan used to write for them and hell nique and nitsuh might make the list too who knows), noone's coming to mind for stylus. i could be wrong though - show me where!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

No.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

are you ok, james?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

this lamb meat ain't sitting too well in my belly right now truth be told

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

i just assume that you bait when you're upset or something

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

i mean meltzer got paid by the word

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

toooooo muuuuuuccccccccccchhhh fetttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

who'm i baiting? besides the ladies of course

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh come on, you only use the word 'hack' when you think someone's paying attention. Remember that thread you thought Hopper was reading?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Though she is a lady.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Come on James, you know that whole "If you've not struck oil in fifteen minutes, stop digging" steez, right?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Maybe there's a woman writing music criticism somewhere, that's something you really need to focus your angst on.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

i'm totes cool with jhop (SEE?), though i still think the whole publicist racket is some eeky skeez, indie rock publicist in particular being like one notch below russian pornographer on the shadymeter. still she's down with jshep who's in my top three (and is another pfork writer o shit - i hate to admit but pfork's on the fucking ball nowadays), she's right alot more than she's wrong, she has actually written some things that are pretty good (see on that thread i asked 'someone show me something good' and someone showed me something good and now i'm admitting hey, she wrote something good - IT'S JUST THAT EASY STYLUS!), she strikes me as the type to rock out and dance at a party instead of blaring some fucking norah jones or bright eyes and sitting around tossing off borrowed charles aaron or klosterman quotes (not naming names). i don't mean to be 'baiting' here, just offering suggestions - be less generic, get good writers. not rocket science!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

custos let tone make yr case for you really. take the 5th.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

No.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

"Be less generic, be more like Pitchfork"

"Website solutions with James Blount"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

sorry if 'have more interesting articles written by better writers' was suggesting the unsuggestible there custos

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

i'd never say Blount has it in for female critics (though he's not above calling them names) - there's a thread somewhere he hits on one!

pitchfork is definitely in their Altamont phase - with Plangahoef as Marcus and Jess as Bangs. Just remember Jann is still there now and Marcus ain't.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

.3 zing.

(x-post)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry James, but does your argument boil down to "I don't know what's on Stylus, but I know that I don't like it"?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

Haha you called me a hack specifically. If you want to take down my writing, go for it. Although stuff more than a few months old would just be mean :(

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

I really don't read Pitchfork or Stylus in full but Stylus had a week where they just went apeshit about ELO and I like the chance to do stuff like that.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

You're writing for an internet website: you're a hack. Anything less than editor of, I dunno, Company magazine is a hack.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

I mean, fuck, I can't be bothered defending a website to US funnyman James Blount, but the whole point of Stylus is that it _isn't_ Pitchfork Jnr (unlike certain "peers" of ours). It's more loose, more throwaway, more, yes boss, pop. Plus PFM has never shown ELO love. ELOve.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

I really do wish people from Stylus would stop bringing it up here, though. ILX is where you get criticized by critic-critics and I haven't seen somebody yet post an 'article response' thread who actually seems to want that.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't much care who reads stylus, its a place for me to have fun writing about music I love, and I get to be a nerd about it. And it has led to better things for me (i.e. getting p-a-i-d), and I've gotten to learn about music from interesting people and Anthony Miccio (haha cheap dig, just having fun) and yeah they've had some great pieces.

Actually if you want some specific pieces, anything where andrew/dr. bill goes crazy about the pop charts is enjoyable/awesome.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

I think John is the only person making sense in this thread.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

i.e. his look at the 90s boxset, his top ten on xm sattelite radio from the other day, his 'stagnation on the pop charts' piece, etc.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

! Andrew, after I paid you all these nice compliments!

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

o yeah i'm not pretending that pfork's anywhere near being all that historically or anything but i'm enough of a cfi to admire that a lil indie rock site has gone from a well known secret to a pretty big fucking deal and a 'viable business model', even when i was freaked out by indiekids that heeded it's call like limbaugh listeners i still begrudgingly admired it (indie's sense of community is probably it's most attractive aspect to me even if it is at the root of its reactionary provincialism or self-quarantine), now i do more than begrudgingly admire it - i actually read it! sorta! well the sherburne column mainly but i'll glance at other stuff! a worthier goal to aspire to than 'what if spizzazz read like it was written by skip bayless' to be sure!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Well thank God that's all sorted out, we can go on with our loves now.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

lives, even.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

Apart from Jess, Sherburne & Nitsuh I don't trust Pitchforks dance/techno/electronic reviews for shit lately. As for Stylus, Dom brings the contempt well on the right targets. I like a bit of that. MF Gill is good too. Pitchfork's writers have a way of making themselves well known, it's tedious, intrusive and not at all a pleasure to parse. I prefer a less attitudinal & adolescent approach. I feel like both have a fairly equal amount of 'writers' and hacks tbh.

I think Dusted has more cred than either site sometimes, or maybe I just get that impression 'cos they don't seem to run reviews based so much on popularity/potential page views (another wording: I don't know so much of the music so it seems as if it could be better, I really aren't sure). They certainly seem to have a real depth to them I'm never more than 50% sure of in the competition (going by a rough % idea of the staff (PF/STY) make-up, backgrounds, preferences, training blah blah).

Also nondescript = some has thought gone into a logical layout, it's not just ever-evolving in an ugly way. Doesn't hurt my eyeballs, I can be bothered to linger on the page without feeling physically attacked by flash (I close Pitchfork's window as fast as I possibly can these days).

The Jukebox jury thing is a fuck-load more honest and revealing than Pforks tune-of-the-day. The opinion pieces (soulseeking etc) often suck a bit, and maybe shouldn't be as prominent as the actual 'features'.

Why the fuck I care about any of this is beyond me. All of these sites embarras the Britich Print Media, then again my used toilet paper embarrases some of that.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Dom's one of the few Stylus writers I really enjoy reading. Blount, you'd like his stuff too, though you can use the search engine yourself if you really give a shit.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Can we return to arguing about whether Madonna can sing?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

you people were DEBATING that?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

ok show me stylus goes apeshit over elo cuz that might be worth reading. the whole reason i'm (masterly) baiting you haxxx is so for once one of these threads will lead me to something interesting instead of this lame list or 'o gee i'm not as big a music geek as i was when i was 13 go figure' or some other lameness that makes me wonder 'why the hell would anyone care enough about that article after reading it to start a thread about it unless they themselves actually wrote the article...o wait'. i think that radio on/focus group ripoff you guys do would be a great idea if you had more writers like tom ewing and less writers like everyone else.

- o goddamit tone the whole point of this is i'm too lazy to really give a shit

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

i ONLY know about stylus through the ilm threads. (lord knows i dont read it unless miccio links something from his blog, so i guess that's place two i know it from.) i contributed to some "three songs" thing todd asked me to last year. (i do think todd is a nice dude, a really nice dude actually. probably too nice. i do wish the juvenalia from me that he has lurking in the archives from before stylus was stylus he'd purge tho - ha ha.) and i briefly talked to southall about doing something for the 12-step mediaholic thing but i dropped it when i realized my piece would essentially say "i used to download too much and it made me sad and so i stopped and now i'm better." (so, uh, sorry nick.) and i really have no opinion on its relative merits or quality, except for this (which both blount and miccio have pointed out): STOP FUCKING SELF-PROMOTING SO GODDAMN MUCH. it's incredibly bad form. if people want to fucking talk about your work they will, on their own, in their own time, good or bad. if it escapes into the interether with no comment, so be it. otherwise it just looks fucking pathetic. thank u.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

nb: i dont read pitchfork either, before anyone gets their shorts in a knot.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

i remember dom's tori amos review as being "controversial"!

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

Blount, I know you can use punctuation.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Contrived is a better word.

(x-post)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

But, come on, Pitchforkers know better than anyone the joys of writing flamebait reviews!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

the other thing is that i think if any thread about a publication consists of a majority of posters who write for said publication, the thread should be on a publication's fucking message board.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

stylus, pfm, vice...it's all a matter of degrees!

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

If a writer could find a way to have Meltzerian content without Meltzerian sentence construction that writer would be a GOD.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

I now write for the same publication as one of Vice's editors! Circles with circles, man.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

: o

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

i must admit i am still confused as to how blount sees stylus as some sort of breeding ground for careerism. i had no idea it was such a fast track.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

reverse 'content' and 'sentence construction' and you're otm tone!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

dude stylus is like the cato institute of interweb musicwrite

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

What self-promotion? The only time I've seen someone promote their own shit on ILM was Ned's regular column, but it never seemed annoying. (ALthough I may have missed some threads.

Here's one I like, Blount. I hope Andrew doesn't mind me posting this. But remember it's not him posting his own shit so if you hate it no need to be rude about it, I'm not posting this to get people tearing him down. (Though I think they'd be wrong if they did, obv)
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1632

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

(Note that endorsement of the article's quality =/ agreement with all of its conclusions)

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

blount sees careerism in everything, jess. that's why he doesn't do anything (except pazz'n'jop - same place I was in back in '01).

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

“IT! MUST! BE THE AAAAAASSSSSSSS!!!!!!!” The song’s all downhill from there. Enough said.

insightful.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

Man this thread is really full of people treating other people like shit.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

Y'all got self-esteem issues how about you take it out on yr own families?

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

I mean way to skim, jess.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

don't talk to your father like that

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

tone otm, i'm basically ice cube in higher learning

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

don't start the thread or link the articles if you can't take it, bud.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

Dude its not my article. I did it because blount said he wanted something to read.

This thread was about people talking about music, not about bullshit internerd reviewing politics.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

deej is like kristy swanson now

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

discussions of writing, aesthetics, and self-promotion > stylus's singles list

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

re-check the thread title, deej

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

jess = laurence fishburne
tone = jennifer connelly
dom = michael rapaport
ned = omar epps
dan = tyra banks

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

Who's self-promotion? you still haven't answered that jess.

Anthony the thread title refers to the list. The list is for your consideration. As in, the list of songs. As in music.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

the only part of that movie that was any good was the smile Cube gave during his grad photo.

x-post fuck you, dude, I'm so not getting down with swanson.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

(Not that you have to name names if you have some wierd beef with self-promoting stylus writers i don't really care, I just don't know where you're coming from complaining about self-promo)

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

and tone i pitch jess and matos like crazy! EVERYBODY'S SCARED TO PUBLISH ME

xpost - is it the 'sheen's sloppy seconds' thing? cuz i'd be on that like it was potato salad.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

blount you havent pitched me shit, you big liar.

deej, i dont start threads every time i write something i think is good. the work will find a way or it wont.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

dan = tyra banks

Oh, FUCK YOU

― Dan (No Fivehead) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

there have been multiple stylus threads within the last four months. all started by stylus writers. just sayin.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Yet another blount reference I had to google.

Dude I didn't post this thread because i want people to read me. I wrote a fucking three sentence blurb about mariah carey.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

there have been multiple stylus threads within the last four months. all started by stylus writers. just sayin.

The one on I Love WWE concerning my article on the top 10 pro-wrestling theme tunes wasn't started by a Stylus writer. Fact-check, boy, fact-check.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/bestoflv/1998/photos/startrek-borg.jpghttp://www.reviewjournal.com/images/bestoflv/1998/photos/startrek-borg.jpg

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

the day i read ilw is the day i take my toenail clipper to my taint

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

dan = tyra banks

Oh, FUCK YOU

that really is a surprisngly off base meta-movie comparison. You should apologize, Blount.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

(I DID post it because its a list of music that is talked about a lot on ILM. And I figured people would have opinions about it)

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

Well then, you're missing this YSI of Booker T calling Hulk Hogan "nigga":

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2HF3WZ18WES913G55NSNOYYXE6

(x-post x 2)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

okay, fine, nothing but the best intentions, deej

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

dan plz to forgive me

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

Actually I was hoping someone would read my blurb and cast me in a film - and it appears this has come to pass! Thank you, blount.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

this whole thing feels way more School Daze anyhow.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

jess = larry fishburne

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

can i be denzel in training day?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

with deej as my ethan hawke

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

who's macy gray?

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

rumpie

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

hahaha

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

hee hee

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

Peter Greene is me, because i sort of look like him

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

and i've been shot

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

to cover for a crooked scheme

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

im snoop cuz i spit that crack

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

snoop in training day > dre in training day

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

as opposed to any other context? i mean, i haven't seen The Wash and all...

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

dre might be better in the wash, it's been a long time since i last saw it. i remember the role seemed more of a stretch for him.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

i always pictured you more as a lorne greene

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blast.net/hart/adama1980.jpg

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

hmm not far off, really

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

blount you still hate beards?!!

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

YES

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

omg someone was telling me the other day that people with beards have to drink thru straws - how fucking disgusting is that?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blogtower.com/_photos/lorne.jpg

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

GUNK UP YOUR BEARD LIKE A MAN

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

In the movies dudes with beards drink from tankards and have to whipe their bears off with massive arms.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

i drink from a sippy cup

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

whipe their bears
whipe their bears
whipe their bears
whipe their bears
whipe their bears
whipe their bears
whipe their bears

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

i just smell [CONTROVERSIAL MOD RE-EDIT] all day

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

the worst job at the zoo

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

tone do you have a beard too????

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

high 5s homie

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

actually i shaved my beard off the last time i shaved the noggin. it just looks dumb otherwise.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

more like I haven't shaved in a couple weeks. I reserve the right to bother eventually.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kstp.com/kstpimages/saddam120505.jpg

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/indieb.jpg

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

As if I needed more proof that 2005 is the year every music fan lost their fucking mind.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

dj2xdee: wait what are you talking about i spelled beards right
dj2xdee: oh never mind

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5084253,00.jpg

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

Who shaved in '98?

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.whitwell.ndo.co.uk/musicthing/images/rick300.jpg

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

the other night i took off my shirt and this girl went 'ooooh, you got a belly beard'.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

dude stay away from foxz

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

then you got kicked out of the 7-11, right?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

blount, department store santas shouldnt take their shirts off

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHAHA O SHIT

yknow foxz moved, it's down in that shopping center with the winndixie and that bowling alley rem played at now.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

aight, head count - did we all get ours in

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

xpost no shit!! RIP normaltown

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

our stylus' singles ballots?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

anthony: the four of us should play poker if we're all ever in georgia
dabnis: strip poker

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

who's in?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

dude, I see enough belly beard in the mirror.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

8=========================================D

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

it'd be like our own est retreat

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

your own std retreat?

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

yeah lame whatever.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

lol @ deej

j/k

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

deej wtf

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

Midnight,
and I'm a-waiting
on the twelve-oh-five
Hoping it'll take me
just a little farther down the line

Moonlight,
you're just a heartache in disguise;
Won't you keep my heart from breaking
if it's only for a very short time

Chorus:
Playing with the queen of hearts,
knowing it ain't really smart
The joker ain't the only fool
who'll do anything for you

Laying out another lie,
thinking 'bout a life of crime
That's what I'll have to do
to keep me away from you

Honey, you know it makes you mad
Why is everybody telling everybody
what you have done
Baby, I know it makes you sad
But when they're handing out the heartaches
you know you got to have you some

Chorus:

Lovers, I know you've had a few
But hide your heart beneath the covers
and tell 'em they're the only one
And others, they know just
what I'm going through
And it's a-hard to be a lover
when you say you're only in it for fun
Playing with the queen of hearts,
knowing it ain't really smart
The joker ain't the only fool
who'll do anything for you

Chorus:

Playing with the queen of hearts

(repeat and fade)

― for ethan (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

http://www.trashcity.org/BLITZ/BLIT0844.JPG

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure why you're confused.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

can you believe some asshole registered "oooh" and o@o on ilx

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

i'm confused as to why you want to assume ethan's mantle

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm confused as to what that is referring to.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

discus

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

lyrics of furry

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

wow this thread goes weird if you look at it in the middle of the night

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

http://www.aquariumhobbyist.com/discus/strains/brown.jpg

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

ethan that was uncalled for

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

everyone needs a hug here

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

None of us can spell.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

miccio specifically called for it

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

(sic?)

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

rebel without a paws

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

Thats what they would have called it in 2005

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

i used to love f.u.r.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

hahahahahaha

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

I think "former cartoonist specializing in anthropomorphic animals" is a lot less shameful than "former heroin addict"

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

i don't think ned was an addict per se

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

who said i was former

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

Thread now extra confusing.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

nate at least you never asked nobody to call you 'deej'

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

woah woah woah - is nate 'disco violence'????

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

ouch! Not a full house fan?

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

why the fuck did I just hallucinate my name on this therad? christ I'm getting paranoid. this is what happens when you spend an entire shift dealing with people who don't know how loans work. (hint: NOT ALL OF YOUR PAYMENT GOES TO PRINCIPAL)

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

woah is nate a banker now? WTF IS GOING ON???

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

nate coyotm

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

The idea of a pseudonym is to prevent really, really, really stupid shit from coming back to haunt you when you try to make a living amongst normal peoples. I caught on to this idea kind of late.

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

fuck this thread! i have been stuck in traffic for the last three hours (snowstorm in chicago, yo) and i come home to this?!?!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

(next time I write a letter to Pitchfork bitching about a mainstream rap artist I actually haven't bothered listening to and will wind up really liking within about a year I will sign it "Fiorucci de Tomaso")

back on topic: more like "Style-less" am I rite?!

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

nate as long as you were smuggling blow in the stomachs of 11 year old viet prostitutes, i think yr cool

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

http://www.skaityta.lt/img/Regulators.jpg

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

that should be "weren't" obv. or should it?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

I think this is my Ben Hamper moment here

jess: technically they were "escorts" and some of them were Cambodian

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

i s'pose it's too late to link to good stylus articles for blount...

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

From: Silence Dogood
Subject: Jay-Z? What is this, the fuckin' Source?

Ferchrissakes, It's bad enough reading your reviewers' condescending begrudging praise of Blackalicious ("so unfunky that I can easily listen to it while knitting") and Handsome Boy Modeling School ("it seems like if anyone in "underground" hip-hop gave a shit, this might sound half as good as anything Cash Money's releasing"), but I found it impossible to stomach Ethan P (Diddy?)'s gushing praise of the latest Jay-Z turd. This guy chooses to cling to the jock of Mr. Jigga My Nigga- wow, he IS a lyrical genius with an inventive rhyme like that!- like a public bus' handstrap and hang on for dear life while burbling bullshit about him being "hip-hop's last great personality" (what, did KRS-One retire to pursue a career in IDM? Did Del die without anyone telling me? Does Kool Keith not actually exist?), as well as foisting the Suburban Whiteboy Myth that Biggie was a truly great MC (psst, ever hear of Rakim?). Jay-Z gets enough fellatio from the mainstream media, while a site such as yours is better served to inform people of great records they, you know, aren't constantly bombarded with in every single mainstream publication out there. Jay-Z's music is not art. It is a product.

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

ethan i big-upped your "eminem show" review on the pfork letters page as a preemptive strike against the inevitable haters!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

i hate that fuckin review

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

somewhere in the remnants of rockcritics.com there is a top five list where I call Daft Punk and Basement Jaxx overrated and bitch about how disco is for cokeheads. I really want to meet 2001 me and punch him in the eyeball.

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

ethan if you post any of my flagpole shit i will fucking kill you

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

Haha ethan has files on all of us, btw.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

blount only one of us has posted the others flagpole shit on ilm

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

I've read your Stereolab piece, Blount!

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

wesley willis... omg....

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

loled @ pseudonymous sigur ros thing tho and i have never even heard dudes before

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

anyway usedta always smile on that when nate tried to get me banned from ilm for hating on his favorite rappers

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

Just don't talk shit about Steely Dan and we're cool

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

what i've learned today:

georgia strip poker in ilx-talk = circle-jerk of sadism

― natedey (ndeyoung), Friday, 9 December 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

So yeah "any and ways" top ten tomorrow.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

weirdness:

i WORKED with this G@rdner L1nn two years ago. he "knows a lot about music"

http://gardnerlinn.com/flagpoleletter1.jpg

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

8-O

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 9 December 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)

and for real, Blount, an email every six months going "you should let me write for you" isn't really "pitching all the time."

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 9 December 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

I also enjoy Anthony Miccio and Alfred Soto's Stylus pieces, of which there are at least five in total.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 9 December 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

'Biology' is the best single of 2005. 'Negotiate With Love' is #2. But I agree that Come And Get it > Chemistry

― daavid (daavid), Friday, 9 December 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

This thread is kind of horrible, isn't it? As is "Negotiate With Love".

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

You must be joking Nick, this thread is gr8!!

blount's splurge-out writing style = super-likeable to me, someone shd employ the fucker more.

Hello Nate!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh I don't dispute it's greatness, Pash, but it's great because it's horrible?

Who the fuck is Kelly Clarkson?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's particularly horrible, really. A bit catty in places perhaps.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

Actually a lot of it just reads like one of the more enjoyable AIM exchanges.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

You mean bloodninja?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

This thread was better when we were talking about Helen Love, anyway.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

i always think of stylus as english, pfork as american -- but i've never met a reader of either so blount's criticisms on that score are all a bit academic (as well as uncharitable) (and stylus has better writers) (and better design) (a little bias there, but actually not much).

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHA STYLUS NOW OFFICIALLY SUCKS COCK (LITERALLY AS WELL AS FIGURATIVELY)

but at least it wasnt girls aloud at numbah one even through kelly clarkson is almost as bad BUT WHO DA FUCK but that chemical romance guff at numbah eight

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

the fact that esteban is a tolerated and/or beloved presence and I'm that dude who was an indie rap schmuck four years ago is pretty much proof that ILx should be completely fucking destroyed.

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 December 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

look here DICKHEAD i am telling it like it is and some people on da ILx actually find that refreshing and insightful

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

If Esteban could consistently write me a column of witty, weekly bile, I'd consider running it at Stylus.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

weekly? probably. witty? hell naw.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

More like weakly, amirite?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

teh pun lol

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

Nate, the fact that a small minority of people here find "esteban"s queer-baiting cute or funny does not indicate that he is "tolerated" or "beloved".

― teh f4gt0g, Friday, 9 December 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Nate, the fact that a small minority of people here find "esteban"s queer-baiting cute or funny does not indicate that he is "tolerated" or "beloved".

what

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh hahahaha they've published my Top 20 in full. Well, SOMEONE had to stick up for Hard Fi and The Arctic Monkeys. Also, no other votes for Saint Etienne "Side Streets"? That's a big surprise.

Esteban, you're gorgeous darling.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 9 December 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

Sweet Jesus fuck, you're one as well?!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

What, an Arctic Monkeys fan? (#19 eh? At least I'm not completely alone.)

Oh, that. Didn't you know? I actually wrote two blurbs, but mailed the wrong attachment. The other one's on my blog.

I'm still pissed off that no-one told me there was A SECRET BOARD.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

(I've come around to the Arctic Monkeys single. It's "quite decent", might even upgrade to "good" when I listen to it again).

Also, Esteban transcends trolldom because he's actually FUNNY, something your average troll doesn't get. Please don't change Esteban!

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

ILM raise your fucking standards.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

STM=OTM

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

since we seem to have deviated from talking about the list itself i would like to point out that the top 10 is fucking dreadful.

amerie and k clarkson, i agree with, but they were never not gonna be there. i like three 6 mafia and 'hate it or love it' fine but top 10??? mike jones and snoop dogg, also fair enough (though former is kinda trumped by nicole wray rmx).

HOWEVER. futureheads 'hounds of love' = atrocity, this is 2005 equiv of travis's 'baby one more time'. 'mr brightside'? i don't see the words "jacques lu cont remix" after it, which are the only words which can redeem it. my chemical romance? you must be fucking joking.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

i'm also a little surprised that all the house heads appear to have voted for 'mandarine girl' above 'body language'.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Hah, Lex, you're just bitter that MIA was pwned by MCR.

Also, "Hounds of Love" is tremendous.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

i'm an official Helen Love fan, yeah so beat me up, and i can authoritatively say that that HL track is pretty rub. i'd not put it in my top 50 of the year :-(

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

the 'hounds of love' cover is a fucking violation of all that is right and true in the world (ie kate bush).

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

The Futureheads did an AWESOME job of that cover. AWESOME. AWE-SOME. AWE-SO-ME.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

wo ist ladytron??? bah

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

enrique otm.

it's THE FUTUREHEADS COVERING KATE BUSH. its defenders are going to have to do a bit better is justifying that.

(mia wins in real world with real people) (emo children don't count as real people)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

I'll say that again. MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE MAKE BETTER POP SONGS THAN MIA.

Who's the real people? The people in the comment box? I think MIA is only listened to by the people who live inside my computer!

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

Also, there's something puritanical about your MIA zest, Alex. It's very similar to the indie zeal of the comment-boxers, bless them.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

computer people don't count either. mia is listened to by the people who come to my club nights and go to the other club nights i go to!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

One day, ONE DAY, it will finally dawn on me why people rate "Since U Been Gone" so highly. Until then, I shall remain completely mystified. I mean, I can usually work out why stuff I'm not bothered about gets raved about in other quarters, but this? Nuh-uh.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

it's THE FUTUREHEADS COVERING KATE BUSH. its defenders are going to have to do a bit better is justifying that.

it's THE FUTUREHEADS COVERING KATE BUSH

what else do you want?

KATE BUSH COVERING THE FUTUREHEADS?

that could be done

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Since U Been Gone would have been just inside my top 30, but it IS 2005, really. The first half of the year, it WAS 2005, much like "Take Me Out" was. Consensus rather than EVERYONE rating it the best, but it has a point.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

I can't wait to review the Arctic Monkeys album.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

[did 'can i have it like that' make the list? my guilty pleasure. and helltime better than the futureheads, even if it is a bit shitty, objectively]

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Isn't "Can I have it like that" actually a few years old, though?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

not to my knowledge...

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I'm getting it mixed up w/summat else, then.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

And now, for Lex, a list of critically maligned artists who are better than MIA:

1. Cliff Richard.

Oh come on, "Galang" vs "Wired for SOund", it's not even fucking close. Also: "Bucky" vs "What Car", another victory for the ugly virginal guy!

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

diplo?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

oooh lex you will never never never understand the greatness of Hounds of Wuvv but put it this way y'know these "club night" you like, well there are other "club nights" where when they play Hounds Of Love and the reaction is rather like i dunno the vitalic remix of britney vs mia or something at yr "club nights".

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

The comments on the list just got really really really great.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

pscott -- yeah, INDIE CLUBS.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

This thread is like panto, fittingly.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

INDIE CLUBS YEH INDIE CLUBS They still exist and people you know still have fun at them sometimes. Hounds Of Wuvv made me throw my shoe, it was orgasmic, I felt quite silly afterwards.

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

I liked plenty of records on the list, but nothing that was in the top ten.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Dancing to "Hounds Of Love" is no better or worse than dancing to MIA and anyone who says any different is a fascist and wants to bum David Cameron.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

'Hate It Or Love It's pleasant backing track cancelled out by most boring rap ever. I would much rather have seen Ashanti's 'Only U' in the list - although maybe the same criticism applies there (except replace rap with singing).

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

i went to an indie club, and they played 'hounds of love'. i went off to the small room, where the tru ballas could frug to the stooges and, you know, actual rock music.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

i never said Hounds Of Wuvv is rock dude. it's about as Rock as Talulah Gosh and that's why it's brilliant.

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

it's a rock song that doesn't rock?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

*skims thread* Good lord, it's too early.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

x post

ROCKIST

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

'Decent Days And Nights' is better.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

also, 'somebody told me' is JUST FINE, but what's all this love for 'brightside' all about? does it have 'meaningful lyrics' or something?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

It's a better song.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

it's a wetter song.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

yes

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

It definitely makes me wet, yes.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

jesus, this thread exploded. i'm so glad i wasn't around to participate.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.stevefeldman.com/archive/ar_jpgs/a051_100/ar_0073.jpg

― ooooh, Friday, 9 December 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

if only

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

It definitely makes me wet, yes.

Yes, but does it give you a hard-on, one so engorged that it could open a tin can?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

I can't listen to "Mr Brightside" without thinking of the David Blunkett/Kimberley Quinn scandal. (Blunkett being the Member of Parliament for Sheffield Brightside.) This is my curse. So, no hard-ons from these quarters.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Gives a whole new meaning to "I just can't look, it's killing me."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

10-1 is my favorite, although I am disappointed that Kelly Clarkson took number one. I do wish "Only U" had made it but I didn't vote for it so don't have much room to stand.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

haha vindication

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Really good popular record mentioned many times by many of the voters on the site in getting #1 shocker, I know, you couldn't have SEEN it coming.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Did you ever wonder what happened to those theater kids in your high school? You know, the ones who weren't annoying and didn't usually command attention in the plays, but were dark and artistic in a compelling sort of way without ever being too ridiculous.

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

They are now in Kelly Clarkson's band.

― Dan (You Know It's True) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

trick question: all theater kids are ridiculous!

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

I realize that "complicated" != "better" but good God, "Somebody Told Me" is put together SO MUCH BETTER than "Mr. Brightside" it isn't even funny.

― Dan (Also Songs In Minor Are Always Better Than Songs In Major) Perry (Dan Perry, Friday, 9 December 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

You can't leave that as a paranthetical! I sense why you make the minor/major distinction, but explain it a bit more.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

x post

I dunno, "Somebody Told Me" has always been meh to me, whereas the triumphant "I'm Mr Brightside" end of the chorus is the only The Killers thing I really love.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Well, the vocal melody of "Mr Brightside" is all one-note which, in the single's original version, gets monotonous. The Jacques Lu Cont remix's trance-like groove makes the melody more attractive.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

"Somebody Told Me" is so much better it's not even funny.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

10-1 is my favorite, although I am disappointed that Kelly Clarkson took number one. I do wish "Only U" had made it but I didn't vote for it so don't have much room to stand.
-- deej.. (clublonel...), December 9th, 2005.

I think "Only U" is even more 2004-not-2005 than "Since U Been Gone", dude. Came out about the same time but didn't have legs to nearly the same extent as "Since".

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

However both my girlfriend and my brother shout me down on this.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

xxx post

It's not one note, is it? It's one note da-da-da-da-da-daa, da-da-da-da-da-daa, etc..."I'm Mr BrightsidE!" and that little melodic release after the build up of one note one note is why it works and is great.

"Somebody Told Me" is weak Duran Duran.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

NastyNasir > Blount

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

the angular riffs of mr brightside are what make it work, the insistent, fast-chugging rhythm, the tension of the melody which doesn't let up until a couple of key points, it makes the whole song rather exhilirating in a manner that is most wonderful

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Time to sign you up for AMG freelance writing, Gear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

note: i have not knowingly heard mr brightside

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

hey guys have u heard about this new music site called pandora???

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

the insistent, angular rhythm, the tense riffs, the wonderful, exhilirating chorus are all crucial, but the key to 'since u been gone' is clarkson's raging lead vocal, which takes it from very good to great.

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Mia Chemical Romance!

Am I late with that one?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Continuing this infrequent series of maligned recording artists who have put out more good records than MIA:

2. Texas

http://www.ilikemusic.com/images/article_images/full/sharleen200.jpg
SHARLEEN SPITERI SAY "MIA? MISSING IN ACTION! FROM THE CHARTS! AMIRITE?"

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

If 'Helena' is getting on lists I don't see why Backstreet Boys 'Incomplete' shouldn't be.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

3. John Cena

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

You can't leave that as a paranthetical! I sense why you make the minor/major distinction, but explain it a bit more.

Major keys generally denote happiness and lightheartedness.

Minor keys generally denote pathos and angst.

In general (largely because of my personality), songs that go the darker, minor route sound more musically satisfying and "genuine" to me; also, songs that navigate through several related minor and major keys in chord progressions commonly found in sacred/symphonic music are more impressive to me because of the music I perform and my overarching equality-of-music philosophy.

In the specific Killers example, "Mr. Brightside" is a monotone melody over a pretty standard major-based chord progression that doesn't get interesting until the lead-in into the refrain, whereas "Somebody Told Me" shifts through a great minor-based progression all through the verses combined with an arpeggieated melody line.

Basically, "Mr. Brightside" tries to do same thing as Depeche Mode's "Never Let Me Down Again" but does so in a major key with a much less interesting chord progression, without another instrument taking over the role of active melodic lead (the interplay between the guitar riff and the recurring synth riff in "NLMDA") and without incorporating any of the other hallmarks of minimalism; something like "It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)", which falls under broadly the same description (major key song with a monotone melody), works because there are other minimalist things at work there as well (simple alternating two-chord progression arranged as alternating block chords and arpeggios) and, when the vocal line gets more active in the chorus, the chord progression does as well. "Mr. Brightside" basically comes across as The Killers not being clever enough musicians to figure out that they could have written a melody that relied on more than one note given the progression and arrangement they wrote.

― Dan (Easy Peasy) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

"Helena" is way better than "Incomplete."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

(Also My Chemical Romance is beyond wretched, WTF?)

― Dan (Emperor's New Thong) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

And "The Ghost fo you" and "I'm Not OK" are better STILL!

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

3. John Cena

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2004/06/01/cena.jpg

John Cena is a known fan of Onyx and The Demigodz. MIA is a known fan of the Kaiser Chiefs. "Bad Bad Man" is also a better single than "Galang".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I thought you'd appreciate the "Ode to Joy" riff in "Brightside."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

4. Arctic Monkeys
http://217.204.10.75/img_bg/21356.jpg
"Hey, at least our rabid internet fans actually BUY our records!"

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Dan please never reference MCR and thongs in the same post again.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Dear music website, please stop bothering to do end of year collab. writers polls (I'm happy to read the writer's individual lists though).

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

dan perry in completely batshit opinions about pop music shocker

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

";-)"

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

x post to Sororah T Massacre

it is though! Number 24 amirite?

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

STEAK IS BETTER THAN HAM AND SHOULD BE AT LEAST THREE SPOTS HIGHER. FACT.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

no pork on my fork

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I thought you'd appreciate the "Ode to Joy" riff in "Brightside."

That's the best part of the song, yes, but one bright spot does not make an entire song unless said spot is incandescent; even though "Ode To Joy" was the recessional music at my wedding (perhaps BECAUSE it was and because of the fondness I feel for that piece), I am not knocked out by every half-assed quoting of it I encounter in the musical world. Actually, the last musical quote I encountered that really impressed me was in one of the anthems we sang at church last Sunday, which basically was an extended variation of the "Lacrymosa" from the Verdi Requiem, and that impressed me because that line is just begging to be stolen and it's amazing that more people haven't done so.

― Dan (Familiarity Breeds Contempt) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

it all tastes like chicken

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

700!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

you have befouled these pipes with your popular music

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Not bad for a trainwreck.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

trainwrecks are the only threads that get 700 posts

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

and YSI requests

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Next time you guys make a 'rate the superhunks' list I suggest you take some time to look at their personal lives, at which point you'll discover that David Schwimmer has donated years of his life to promoting the fight against diabetes and that Pierce Brosnan has been arrested for child abuse three times. If you can still find them 'a dud' and 'dreamy' respectively, then I would suggest you are in no position to determine who is sexually attractive among today's top male celebrities.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Dan, would like a YSI of Bright Eyes song that quotes "Ode To Joy"?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Good point Jess.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

I don't remember last years Stylus list being the official version of the ILM charts tbh. Hmmm.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Pierce Brosnan > lead singer of My Chemical Romance in a thong

on that I am sure we can all agree at least

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

HMMMM.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

why u all hate gerard?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

they don't know that he's a painter. A painter!

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

he's an inspiration to portly retards everywhere

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I am a sucker for teh eyeliner.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

when i think about all the barely legal pussy that cat is enjoying right now, i know i should have persued the emo band thing further

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

HMMMM.

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/410397_busta_200x200.jpg

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

MMMMMM?

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/03-97/03-05-97/arsenio.jpg

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

This thread broke my workday.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

Also, Dom, I love you, but:

"The opening line ("It's a good thing tears never show in the pouring rain") tells more stories than your three favourite bands have managed in their careers combined."

Come on now.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

'Be Mine' vs 'Since U Been Gone' is an 'interesting' TS potentially.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Difficult! That was my #2 and #1, respectively.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I've yet to hear the Robyn song on the radio.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

alfred otm

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

you never will because your country sucks (as does mine)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if we play "Be Mine" eventually.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

would take some serious $$$ on the label's part.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I heard she got a US deal - if it was with a major I see no problem with this getting on the radio.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

you never will because your country sucks (as does mine)

Am I the only one imagining this being sung as the chorus of the song?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

heh mia's on interscope duder

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

and yeah i know robyn's "more pop" but so are plenty of pop bands signed to majors that never make it near a chart either

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

and there are plenty that do. what's your point?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

that this

I heard she got a US deal - if it was with a major I see no problem with this getting on the radio.

hardly makes it a done deal.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

got it?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

ok then.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

who said it was a 'done deal'? I'm just saying musically I don't hear anything that could hold it back (something I can't say about 99% of europop - though the swedes always do it better). i mean what song that isn't an absurd album cut about fucking by previously established stars doesn't require $$$ to be a hit?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

none. what's your point?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

FIRST BASE!

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

I see what Miccio's saying. I think it could fit in more ro less comfortably alongside Natasha Bedingfield on the radio.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

I've yet to hear the Robyn song on the radio.

-- Alfred Soto

Unless you live in Sweden how is this noteworthy??

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

pop songs you can sing along with when they come on the radio with yr pals (or alone) = better pop songs

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

That would explain M.I.A. being rubbish then ;)

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

better /= everything else without merit

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

though yeah, i fell off the mia boat sometime back in the summer

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

I still need to re-listen to it as Eno-type perversity rather than "OMG WHY IS SHE NOT FAMOUS YET???"

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

people arguing over MIA's fame may have been the moment i firmly resisted the fluxblog kool-aid

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

"no...no...something's...just not right here."

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha ha ha ha.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Also, Dom, I love you, but:
"The opening line ("It's a good thing tears never show in the pouring rain") tells more stories than your three favourite bands have managed in their careers combined."

Come on now.

I love "Be Mine!", but yeah, that line isn't that great, and close to being a cliche, really. It's practically sounds like it was written by Andie MacDowell.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

In a good way, but it's not exactly encapsulating some larger narrative or anything.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I can think of Bon Jovi lines that do this better.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

It's a very good opening line in that it sketches that specific moment really well and concisely, but it doesn't really speak volumes in the way that Dom hints that it does.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Only Neil Tennant could get away with singing that line.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

lyrics by bret michaels?

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

"Got a girl on the left of me
A girl on my right
I know damn well
I SLEPT WITH BOTH LAST NIGHT
OHMYGAWD LOOK WHAT THE CAT DRAGGED IN
Night after night, SIN AFTER SIN..."

― Dan's Worst Nightmare (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

large chunks of that list would be angling for a revived shinsblog

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

But now I hear you found somebody new
And that I never meant that much to you
To hear that tears me up inside
And to see you cuts me like a knife

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Gear you are a passionate angular man with your reverb-echoed lyrics that transcend their form into deep meaning.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Excuse me, I coughed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Poison wrote better songs than "Mr. Brightside". The main reason I hate those songs is because they were performed by Poison.

― Dan (Fucking Awful Bullshit Band) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

when i'm alone in my room
sometimes i stare at the wall
and in the back of my mind
i hear my conscience call

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Now if only the Killers were a tribute band called Roses Have Thorns.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

no sven brede then

― calderdale in the 70s (gareth), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

the cover of Every Rose Has Its Thorn by Rex Hobart and the Misery Boys is fantastic.

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

i used to cover every rose has its thorn in my (very good, i might add) louis armstrong impression

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

:-D Please tell me there's a recording of same.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

there is, yes.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

fatty arbuckle/cantankerous tumor's lone demo

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

?!?!?!

Please to YSI.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

haha not bloody likely nedward

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

:-(

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I can YSI my version of "Round The Way Girl."

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

HAHA MERRY CHRISTMAS

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

the world isn't ready for our drum machine/kazoo/washtub bass cover of "wannabe"

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Let the world decide!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

"A Fendi bag and a bad attitude."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Heh, I didn't vote for singles this year, DJ, you knew that. For the record my top 20 would have had some UK chartpop in it, but it was pretty balanced with other stuff. I can email it to you if you're curious.

― Erick Bieritz, Friday, 9 December 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

from what i remember that tape contains covers of:

1. wannabe
2. every rose has its thorn
3. that primitive radio gods song
4. right here (human nature)
5. british steel
6. something else im forgetting

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

as well as "originals"

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Truly this is the great lost recording session of our time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

from what i remember that tape contains covers of:
1. wannabe
2. every rose has its thorn
3. that primitive radio gods song
4. right here (human nature)
5. british steel
6. something else im forgetting

I think you only need 1-5, dude!

― Dan (Wow) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

oh i think the live performances were where it was at

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

somewhere there is footage of me vomiting on a cross in a robot costume

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

i pray daily that somewhere is "the bottom of the ocean"

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

?!?!!?!?!!!?!?

HOW DARE YOU NOT SHARE THIS WITH US.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

jess were you hating on 'i need love'? Cuz that would be sad.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

yes, yes that is what i was doing.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

along with poison and "mr. brightside."

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

I'd kiss you on the cheek and say 'ooh girl you're so sweet'

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

i'm glad dan and i at least have SOME things we agree on musically

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

clean and unsoiled, yet sweaty and wet

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Where the fuck is this thread going?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

(I totally want to hear Daver's rendition of "Around The Way Girl".)

― Dan (In The Worst Way) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Nick, you arch miserablist, you.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

i want to hear dan fronting my band doing a cover of "if i had a hammer"

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

This is reminding me that my work-based band has to rehearse some music for the holiday party in January. Eek.

― Dan ("Friday I'm In Love" B/W "Hazy Shade Of Winter") Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Smith wig and Hoffs dress is all I ask of you.

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

or Garfunkel wig and Smith eyeliner

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

If we knew what he wants...

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

The rest of our proposed playlist:

"Should I Stay Or Should I Go"
"Porch"
"When I Come Around"
"Straight To Hell"

― Dan (HAPPY HOLIDAYS!) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

*amazed*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

that's awesome

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Also we don't have a bass player! Two lead guitars, a rhythm guitar, a drummer and a singer!

We're gonna get bottled off the stage by our coworkers.

― Dan (Hooray) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

No "Last Christmas"?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Can't you get some guy to scat the bass parts?

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Pretty much any Christmas song is going to get vetoed as this is a work function. I was going to suggest we do some winter songs like "Let It Snow!" and "Winter Wonderland" but then I realized that that would completely fucking suck.

― Dan (Fuck Your "Sleigh Ride" With Bats) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

"Christmas in Hollis"!

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

"A Long December"

― 'Twan (miccio), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

that gabba version of hava nagila

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

We toyed with the idea of doing a death metal version of "Mary Had A Little Lamb".

― Dan (SNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

You could perform "Wonderful Christmastime" with Ned on Linda McCartney keys.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Like I could aspire to such greatness.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

apropos of nothing i just imagined ned dancing to 'linus and lucy'

― gear (gear), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cs.umass.edu/~bernier/snoopy.dancing.jpg

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

:-D :-D :-D

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

I was of course listening to the Vince Guaraldi album the other day.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

the 'somebody told me' vs 'mr brightside' debate was amusing. 'somebody told me' is better but both are dreadful plodding indie crap which is reminiscent of shed seven. jlc mix obv excepted.

do the people who like that futureheads cover prefer it to the original?

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 10 December 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Note to all internet-magazine dealies: Waiting a day or more to post the entirety of your list is annoying and makes your list look initially worse than it really is. This particular case is a good example of one which appears infinitely less horrendous with the entire top 50 intact.

That said, there is nothing particularly special about "Still Tippin," and there are only 10 seconds of "Hounds Of Love" that are actually worth listening to, which is the section between 2:25 and 2:35.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 10 December 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

I love killing threads.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 10 December 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

You really just poked the corpse with a stick.

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

i never thought i'd say this, but i really am glad i live in a world undefined by gay-ass europop dance mixes and pop-rap'n'b.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

the dj last night was like the stylus list strawman come to life. when the jukebox came back on afterwards it was like a call from the governor.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

(for "stylus" possibly read "fluxblog")

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

in a rateyourmusic.com list format:

stylusmagazine.com's top 50 best singles of 2005
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/ijkidd/stylusmagazine_coms_top_50_best_singles_of_2005

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 10 December 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

(for "stylus" possibly read "fluxblog")

Retract that statement before I come to your house and kill you.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 December 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

i never thought i'd say this, but i really am glad i live in a world undefined by gay-ass europop dance mixes and pop-rap'n'b.

lol pitchfork amirite?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 December 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

This thing of Stylus and Pitchfork both seeming to draw from an ever narrower sphere of influence (cough... ILM) in the music they cover/praise/hype/general taste bias still bothers me a little, I mean obviously it's only something I've become aware of since lurking here for a year+half, but I feel like it's getting slightly worse.

I may be imagining it but I remembered last years singles list actually containing some surprises?

And I still much prefer both sites to many others attempting to cover this ground. But I don't think it's healthy, and could end up looking like a kind of hipsterism no better, despite being circular & self-contained to the writers and this site, than Pfork (or worse, NME) indie-bots slavishly lapping up every next big thing and re-posting to a million livejournals.

― winter is scary (fandango), Saturday, 10 December 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Still not enough metal.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 December 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Only because I couldn't totally bring myself to vote for "Typical Me"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 December 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I will say that the comments box is absolutely hilarious this time round =)

― winter is scary (fandango), Saturday, 10 December 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

It really is the gift that keeps on giving, it puts this thread to fucking shame seven Sundays running. tintin1000 and NastyNasir are on some next level trolling shit, hats off to them.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 December 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Jess do you post about music on ILM these days?

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

haha yeah when was the last time you said 'this cd is good' huh? Zing!

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

You guys should really keep score on yr internet zingers.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

not until ILM starts paying me, deej, no.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

It's starting to feel like two years ago all over again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Cool. I actually haven't seen much of your paid writing lately - would you care to share some? Or direct me to the publication you write for these days. I'm interested to know what you've been writing about.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

no.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

ok.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

i dont have much time to write these days, actually.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

outside of work. it occasionally bums me out, but those are the breaks.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Dude, I'll handle the short list for you! 'love is the drug when my chemical romance plays the Goebbels Auditorium Jan. 7th...'

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

I just want a picture of me holding my chin in the upper left corner.

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

i would PAY YOU to do so.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

i have actually tried to start making the puns as lame as possible or as inscrutable.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

It's good to see Al getting some stuff up. Speaking of stylus writers worth reading, you employ one of them.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

al is graftin hard, and i respect that.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

but the big difference between al and the people pontificating about the cultural signifigance of ashlee behind their blogs is that he's actually out there, trying to make connections, and trying to give some shine to local people who he thinks deserve it. not saying one is necessarily better than the other, but just saying.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

frank kogan doesn't have a blog!

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

cue chuck: "my job is not to give local musicians an ego massage, its to waste hours posting to a message board saying that i havent heard william basinski but he may or may not be better than trixter."

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

GLASS HOUSES BITCH

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

but i have actually heard william basinski and i can honestly say he is better than trixter.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

when did you hear trixter?

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

circa 1991.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Please tell me they were opening for Nelson.

― 'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

i bought the cassette because they had ads in d.c. comics!

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

:-D

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

trixter was pop metal's waterloo

― gear (gear), Saturday, 10 December 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

haha yeah this thread makes me feel kinda bad about writing for Stylus! I got asked to write for them the same week that City Paper contacted me so I figured what the hell. honestly I think I do a lot of my best writing for Stylus, I guess it's indulgent but I don't really like to write album reviews if I can't go up to a thousand words, squeezing it down for print tends to make me unhappy with the end result.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 11 December 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

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― gear (gear), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 01:24 (twenty years ago)

ten years pass...

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