GROUPER "Way Their Crept" --- CONTACT

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Please, i'm looking for a link or an e-mail address in order to contact Liz Harris (aka Grouper) for an interview. Indeed, i'd like to write a portait of this artist and her wonderful album published by the label Free Porcupine Society... First, i contacted this label but no reply...

Thanks.
Bests

Matt B (aerial1), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 11:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I really love this album. Liz' personal e-mail is right there in the liner notes, though (you downloader)

ysi for 'black out' I posted last week to noise ysi is still up

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Uh, a friend of mine is sending me a mixtape song by song and "Disengaged" by Grouper just came on, obliterating all songs of this year before it. What is known of this "GROUPER"?

http://www.typerecords.com/artists/full.php?id=48

Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

Friends description: "Liz Harris is from Poland, and she's got a few musical projects that run the gamut from spacey Hope Sandoval type music to this, a combination of drone soundscapes and lo-fi broken east-european folk. That description is a misnomer - think folk and you imagine exactly what Grouper is not. This music has more in common with the Microphones than Devendra Banhart, and her real draw isn't her mastery of narrative po-dunk lyrics - it's her soul-melting, beautiful ethereal voice and her ear for incredibly moody - albeit lo-fi - recording aesthetics. Imagine one of the Deheza twins becoming obsessed with fuzz pedals and dark psychedelia. As Grouper, she's begun to manipulate her voice in the same manner that she does every other recorded instrument on her projects. On this first song from her newest album, her voice follows hand in hand the melody of the rhodes-come-blown-out-leslie. I can't tell what she's saying, and it truely does not make a difference to me. The atmosphere is beautiful, her voice is beautiful, and the emotions she is conveying - terrible though they must be - are beautiful as well."

Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

she's from Portland, not Poland

resolved, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

Here you go:

http://www.myspace.com/grouperrepuorg

Looks like she logged in today.

We are so lucky to have her here. I've seen some really great (and always unassuming) sets from her in coffee shops, in the park...

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

Love Grouper. New album is ace. Can't wait to get the vinyl.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

New album is brilliant. Up there with Inca Ore's release, my best release of the year so far (I think).

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

YES! I'm really digging the new one. I loved it so much that I bought a couple of her previous releases. Can't wait to get them in the mail.

Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

high praise from this review:

foxy digitalis : reviews: Grouper "Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill"
http://www.foxydigitalis.com/foxyd/reviews.php?which=3440

"This is an amazing album that will most likely remain a highlight release for the year. " 10/10

djmartian, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

'grouper' CDR EP - (heavier noiser mixes of her first recordings, most of these were remixed for the first album)
'way their crept' LP - still my favorite, her harmonies & the absurd levels of tape delay bury the songs but the songs are still there
'he knows he knows he knows' EP - like the 1st LP, just as great
'wide' LP - follows on from the first LP, heavier & spacier and more intense, maybe a less instantly memorable group of songs but I need to go back and check
'flashlights: eckords' - collaboration with violinist jorge boehringer, very very very spaced
xiu xiu vs. grouper - 'creepshow' - haven't heard
'cover the windows and walls' EP - only have mp3s of this so haven't spent as much time with it -- never even saw this in stores, but it's songs
'dragging a dead deer up a hill' LP - this is going to do very well for her, she's pulled back on the delays but everything still sounds covered in silt and her songwriting has taken a jump forward

she's one to watch

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ok, I finally listened to the rest of the songs for the first time, and yes, they're all great. Not enough have just straight up said "What a graceful voice", and they should. This is peaceful death music, I love it.

I predict I will post about this again on August 3rd of this year, because that's the day I finally get back home. And when I arrive, there's going to be a small pile of her records because I'm going to have to drunkenly order a good half of those LPs and EPs Milton just mentioned. Not the Xiu Xiu one, though.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm going to save the S-word too - Slowdive. This wouldn't be out of place on Pygmalion.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

I will also say it.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

Well, at least I still get to care about something, which is a nice consolation prize.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Yeah, still fucking awesome.
This is off the newest one:

Heavy Water/I'd Rather be Sleeping

and I have two other (better) songs from Dragging a Dead Deer up a Hill here:
http://headofstate.muxtape.com/

And this is a little older.
HERE

Z S, Saturday, 19 July 2008 07:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

got new lp in the other day

Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 19 July 2008 10:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

I missed buying that Dragging A Dead Deer album, can't find it anywhere. Any leads?

sleeve, Saturday, 19 July 2008 17:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.boomkat.com/search.cfm?q=grouper

Z S, Monday, 21 July 2008 06:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

There's a dude here in Portland who's just as good as Grouper. His project is called Dragging An Ox Through Water.

Nate Carson, Monday, 21 July 2008 09:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Finally got the new one today...So amazing. Like, one of the best things I've heard all year. Its been a long time since I've been able to just sit down and let an album wash over me, but this has done it. "Stuck" in particular just makes me swoon. The melodies on this are amazing! I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is very good, that new one.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

what is it called?

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill"

Best album title ever too!!!

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

Have you got it yet? Is it good? Did you order it from her website? How much was it?

Yeah, I'm still really, really into the new one. It only sounds better as it gets colder and more leaves fall off the trees.

Z S, Sunday, 5 October 2008 19:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

nice

czn (cozwn), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

vaguely recall a mention on ILX and an Inca Ore connection (blown away Ms. Saelens live recently, her LP one of few sweet spots of '08 for me)...

must investigate further!

also, this Grouper LP punching well above it's weight in obscurity here http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2008

fandango, Sunday, 14 December 2008 08:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

The inca ore and grouper split is from 2007. It's ok, sort of a bridge between her first records and the minimalistic approach of guitar/voice style that she used on 'dragging a dead dear'.

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/inca_ore___grouper/split/

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

Has anybody deciphered the lyrics to 'heavy water/I'd rather be sleeping'? - so far I can only make up: 'love is enormous / it's lifting me up / i'd rather be sleeping / i'd rather fall in your tidal waves / right where the deepest currents pull'

Moka, Monday, 22 December 2008 07:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

this album ! :-O

really really good.

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:43 AM

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 22:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

If she was a dude she would still be 1000x more interesting than Fleet Fuxxes

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

^^real talk. 'Dead Deer' is on my top ten list of the year, but I don't know what she looks like (if looks are what's implied). And well, imagining the vocals as coming from a he, well that's just silly.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

btw, I wasn't quoting that as in "I agree with this", I was quoting that as in http://i44.tinypic.com/2mhvo8j.jpg

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

I want to say something about how this album unfolds it's pleasures like a flower, at about the same speed, without it sounding dirty.

Possibly the most gorgously intimate and non "produced" sounding thing I've heard all year too. She might as well be in the room.

fandango, Sunday, 28 December 2008 23:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

This goes down well with a copy of Chris Ware's graphic novel The Smartest Kid on Earth and my Mom's fried boneless fish.

dreamsonvhs, Saturday, 11 April 2009 07:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

Plenty of us care about Sonic Boom!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 April 2009 09:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I picked this up on a whim today from amazon's mp3 store, where it's on sale for $1.99. It's remarkably gorgeous!

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

by "this" I mean the Dragging a Dead Deer album

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Deeply amused by "fart alert"

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 16:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's a damn good price (I paid $14.99 retail) and almost makes me want to switch over to buying in digital format... but not really. xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's exactly my sentiment, ilxor. But if a crazy low price like that leads to more people getting into her music, it's all for the better. She deserves it.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Baffling, pointless review on Tinymixtapes of the live show:

The show is sold out, but most fans are waiting to pile in after the opening act, Grouper — a one-woman showcase of bullshit. Imagine Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters. I try to salvage something from the fuzzy reverb and her long, lonely wails, but I can’t stop picturing her masturbating in front of a full-length mirror. Self-indulgence, indeed.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

...but you write for tinymixtapes.com

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

ugh.

original bgm, Friday, 12 June 2009 16:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

...but you write for tinymixtapes.com

Really? That's news to me!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

if you're going to choose such an ambiguous username...

suggestzybandias (jim), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason. I saw my comment this morning and wondered what the hell I was talking about, because I don't really have any beef with tinymixtapes.com.

That AOL sonned thread has me thinking about who I do and do not have beefs with today.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's kinda weird with reviews like that where you can't tell if the reviewer is trying to be funny... or if they're just trying to come up with the most awe-inspiring humorless zings to satisfy their explosive rage at the act in question.

guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 19:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't really mind Enya as a reference (Enya is pretty awesome imo tho) and I have been digging pretty heavily on Dead Deer for the last couple weeks.

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters is the kind of stuff my friends say about the downtempo balearic cheeze i listen to. it kind of goes hand in hand with "elevator music for grad students", a term which used to bug me but i think i'm ok with it know

guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason.

Ah, makes sense now. I laughed out loud. Nice one.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

WAY THEIR CREPT and DRAGGING A DEAD DEER are two of my favorite records right now. Is there any other stuff out there like this? Melodic, atmospheric, experimental, droning, and emotional?

dreamsonvhs, Friday, 12 June 2009 23:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

this album is kinda staggered by the one two punch of heavy water and stuck

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

dead deer obv

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

I really wish we could edit the title of this thread!

PIN number at the ATM Machine (Z S), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 22:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Video for HOLD THE WAY

http://www.thefader.com/2009/10/07/video-grouper-hold-the-way/

dreamsonvhs, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

Should have mentioned I saw her last month as the final act of the On Land festival. Entrancing, mesmerizing, etc -- if a band like School of Seven Bells is (mostly) about shoegaze as propulsion and pop, Grouper is (mostly) about it as immersion and flow.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

Gooooorgeous live set over at the free music archive http://freemusicarchive.org/curator/WFMU/blog/ATP-NY_2009_Grouper_MP3 From ATP last month ...

tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

saw her columbia university when she was in NY for ATP. was great. loved the swirls of white noise running through the whole set.

original bgm, Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I'm pretty sure I'm going to splash out and see her on Sunday, based on these last few comments. Anybody disagree with the decision?

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 30 October 2009 00:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Glasgow then? See you there!

krakow, Friday, 30 October 2009 09:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

Didn't know there were UK/Euro dates! Would love to see her live. Don't think I can make any of them, sadly, but I'll have to think about it.

I have fallen in love with (mp3s of) her tour split 7" from last year with City Center and it's totally out of print, alas. Anyone know if there is a tour release this time round, so I can act more promptly?

ein fisch schwimmt im wasser · fisch im wasser durstig (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 30 October 2009 12:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

Are the new myspace tracks "Hold The Way" and "Vessel" available to download anywhere?

plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

(just noticed Vessel EP coming out in Late 2009)

plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

she had this 7" when I saw her but not the city center split:

http://www.discogs.com/Grouper-He-Knows-He-Knows-He-Knows/release/1771400

original bgm, Friday, 30 October 2009 13:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

as a 7"? I bought that from her as a 3" CD.

sleeve, Friday, 30 October 2009 21:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

yep, as a 7"

original bgm, Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Went to see her play on Friday night. It was pleasant if unremarkable, she only played for 40 minutes too.

Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't get that complaint. Forty minutes is a perfectly reasonable amount of time for a set, imo.

Trip Maker, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

if you only have 1 album and only charge a fiver then maybe

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

Wasn't really a complaint, more of an observation. It was actually a double headline show with some noise dude, tickets were 12.50. It was BYOB though so worked out cheap enough.

Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

doesn't she have three albums?

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Sunday, 1 November 2009 16:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

Has a Grouper / Julianna Barwick tour happened yet? Seriously would be an awesome double bill.

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 1 November 2009 17:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Great live set from London in Nov 2009 available to download free here: http://milesofsmiles.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=548002

Barnaby, Hardly, Friday, 12 February 2010 12:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

i wonder if this dude ever interviewed grouper

tza tziki sauce (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 February 2010 14:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

I missed this news:

Grouper to release two new albums
http://www.factmag.com/2011/01/21/grouper-to-release-two-new-albums/

“The process of making these albums reacquainted me with what I want to explore in music,” she continues. “Friction, exploration of something large and outside of me, describing and traveling to intangible objects and places, unseen movements and connections between people and spaces. Songs that move on their own, that have an autonomous monstrous quality, songs from another world.”

seminal fuiud (NickB), Monday, 24 January 2011 10:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

A I A, TWO PART VINYL, SELF RELEASE, APRIL 11th, 2011. Vinyl can be ordered through Mississippi Records, digital downloads will be available as of the 4/11/2011. CONSISTS OF:
-DREAM LOSS, FULL LENGTH 12", GR-006A.
-ALIEN OBSERVER, FULL LENGTH 12", GR-006B.
**Mississippi is no longer taking orders for this. If folks are still wanting vinyl (digital will be widely available, I have a direct agreement with a distributor) this summer than will repress**

aw man. i hope this is gonna be in stores, and stuff, on wax.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Friday, 25 March 2011 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

ahhhhhhh annoying

69, Friday, 25 March 2011 22:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

sux

original bgm, Friday, 25 March 2011 23:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like that she's releasing the stuff on FLAC. I won't pay for mp3s, and the vinyl is just too hard to get a hold of.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 25 March 2011 23:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

she is actually really righteous about re-pressing her LPs, which seems kinda unusual now. like i saw her a while back and was psyched to pickup dragging a deer ..., which i'd figured was one of those things i'd never get because i slept on it in the first place. there's a note inside saying it's pressing three. so it's cool that the vinyl is gettable and isn't going to disappear. hopefully some of this has been ordered by stores, anyhow, i can't really tell.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Saturday, 26 March 2011 01:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Samples up on Amazon...

Dream Loss
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004TPTL0W/

Alien Observer
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004TPTNTG/

Barnaby, Hardly, Saturday, 26 March 2011 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is a funny group to listen to samples of.

j., Sunday, 27 March 2011 04:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

"group"

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Sunday, 27 March 2011 06:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

er...

larry buttz (Z S), Sunday, 27 March 2011 06:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

yknow. them all. with the name. the entity.

j., Sunday, 27 March 2011 06:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

FUCK. I have a decent amount of Grouper vinyl but failed to get paid in time.

the worst dong of the last ten years (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 27 March 2011 12:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

I emailed Mississippi a few weeks ago, and no fucking reply. Fuck them and their shadow way of doing things.

van smack, Sunday, 27 March 2011 14:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

another ltd release ive missed out on by grouper. At least I got the early ones i suppose but this is annoying

Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 27 March 2011 16:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

hoping this shows up on some distros

tyler 'scratch' perry (diamonddave85), Sunday, 27 March 2011 16:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

bummed that i can't order it, but...

can we talk about how awesome this release is going to be, musically?

larry buttz (Z S), Sunday, 27 March 2011 17:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ a good example of why buying vinyl sucks

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 28 March 2011 04:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

eh, same thing would happen if she pressed a stupidly limited amount of cds

original bgm, Monday, 28 March 2011 13:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

there is a newie that is up on pitchfork that i can't listen to because i'm at work; thought getting someone here to describe it would be a worthwhile exercise, what with her music lending itself to extravagant prose. would also like to hear reviews of what one can deduce about her new lp based on thirty second low quality samples.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 15:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Fuck you, Mississippi

van smack, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 22:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mailed mississippi to ask whether any of these were going out anywhere, and they said yes: small quantities going to Forced Exposure, Revolver, CTD, Thrill Jockey, Reckless, Fusetron, Aquarius and Boomkat. so hopefully there should be a shot at picking some up in stores or online in advance. see, they are cool guys.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

anyone seen her recently? she's playing here next saturday

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

There'll be a re-press in the summer.

plazzTT, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

anyone seen her recently? she's playing here next saturday

― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 17:19 (Yesterday) Bookmark

yeah, a couple of months back. it was great; i'd seen her a couple of times before but this was the best, which might've been the venue but, whatever. i can't really remember what she played but then i don't think that's the point, with her, live.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

You can pre-order AIA with Ed Hardy at Eclipse Records, btw. Each disc is twenty bucks.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, I've seen her over the last year or so. if you're a fan, definitely go. you'll be into it.\

xpost

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

also saw her do a long-form set once where she was working primarily with tapes. the weather was unbelievably humid and there was zero ventilation in the venue. it was crazy - felt like I was on the verge of hallucinating!

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is awesome

Z S, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dude I met at a potluck this weekend is a total Grouper freak, kinda funny.

Trip Maker, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Make me a tape, Zach? I will return the favor. C'mon.

Trip Maker, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

webmailed ya sean

Z S, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_IHlhD_GV8

ridic beau (NickB), Monday, 11 April 2011 09:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

so great

ridic beau (NickB), Monday, 11 April 2011 09:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

what i did get to hear of liz last night was lovely . . . but, dearest brooklyn scenesters, why would you go to a grouper show . . . and talk the whole way through it? ugh

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 17 April 2011 13:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Heads up, Volcanic Tongue has the LPs in stock... https://www.volcanictongue.com/artists/browse_all/8947

Barnaby, Hardly, Sunday, 17 April 2011 14:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

at twice the price of everywhere else?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 April 2011 15:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i have been scanning for these non-stop but damn.

Turtle: No dancing (schlump), Sunday, 17 April 2011 15:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's VT. And you gotta add postage to that too.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 April 2011 15:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Was she selling the new album at the show last night? I'm going to see her tonight and I'm wondering if I should bring extra $$$ for the album...

jonathan - stl, Sunday, 17 April 2011 19:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

but, dearest brooklyn scenesters, why would you go to a grouper show . . . and talk the whole way through it? ugh

yeah, can't stand this shit.

original bgm, Sunday, 17 April 2011 20:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

look forward to hearing this...love grouper.

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Sunday, 17 April 2011 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Keenan's VT review is spot-on. These are both incredible albums. I think "Dream Loss" is my favorite of the two, but I'd be surprised if I hear anything else this year that tops either. Such desolate, haunting music...

Professor Respect, Sunday, 17 April 2011 21:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

they kind of feel like weird enya albums.

j., Sunday, 17 April 2011 23:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Was she selling the new album at the show last night?

nope. at the merch table they told me the only place that has them is Other Music

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 18 April 2011 03:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's lame. Touring off a new album(s) and not being able to sell it at your own show because it's so damn limited? I know it's available digitally but WTF

Z S, Monday, 18 April 2011 04:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

at twice the price of everywhere else?

― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, April 17, 2011 Bookmark

Yep, that is pretty pricey.

Before they stopped taking orders the records were £28 delivered to the UK direct from Mississippi.

Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 18 April 2011 12:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

damn. i think boomkat's waiting on some, so i neurotically re-visit the site; i wondered if the reason VT's were so expensive had to do with them somehow getting them before anyone else but, even still, y'know.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 18 April 2011 12:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you're feeling really neurotic you can subscribe to an RSS feed of Boomkat's new vinyl which they are extremely proficient at updating. They've added 15 new arrivals already today.

Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 18 April 2011 12:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Volcanic Tongue ALWAYS charge way more than everyone else. Why do you think david keenan is so hated?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 April 2011 13:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

that sounds more like an open subthread than a direct question. i don't really know.
thanks for the RSS tip; knew they were on top of tracking what was coming in but it's helpful. sorry i am making this thread so boring, i will talk about the records, provided i get hold of some.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 18 April 2011 13:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Listening to Dream Loss right now and I'm struck by the effortless flow of the songs, they just drift into each other.
This is very blurry and distant. I like it but I don't see myself listening to it compulsively. It's just so detached.

Trip Maker, Monday, 18 April 2011 15:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

up on forcedexposure fyi

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 18 April 2011 22:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, emailed aquarius records and they had copies as well.

original bgm, Monday, 18 April 2011 22:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

some copies around the corner from aquarius, too, at EXPLORIST INTERNATIONAL: http://www.exploristinternational.com/blog

theyll do mailorder!

69, Monday, 18 April 2011 23:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

I checked Forced Exposure, Aquarius and Explorist's websites now... are they all gone already? Because I can't find it.

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 06:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thank you!!! :-)

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 08:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Copies for sale up on Thrill Jockey too... http://www.thrilljockey.com/catalog/index.html?id=105356

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

wau, outta stock already at that link?
pretty sure this is worth picking up ASAP; boomkat are getting fifty e-mails a day about it

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wow, they were still in stock when I last looked.

This place has them, apparently: http://zum.bigcartel.com/

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

it is available to buy digitally tho right?

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

i wonder if limited mp3 release will become a thing/is a thing

y'huh though, via boomkat etc??

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

is there a "best of grouper" collection i could purchase also (nb, digitally)

x-post cool...

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alien Observer is up on Spotify as well fwiw

ridic beau (NickB), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wonder what the thinking was behind the decision to not press enough to meet demand? Cos it strikes me as being conscious rather than cautious.

I mean, DDD is now on its third repress.

Anyhow, Weird Forest will have some on sale tonight...

"WF HQ received a VERY LIMITED quantity of the new Grouper A I A LPs. So few that they would sell out before everyone on the mailing list received this message. In the interest of fairness, I will post them for sale on the Weird Forest website at 7pm (pacific time) tomorrow (Tues 4/19). I apologize in advance for any disappointment but there were not enough records to go around."

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp to ronan, ya, it's on itunes

caek, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

wonder what the thinking was behind the decision to not press enough to meet demand? Cos it strikes me as being conscious rather than cautious.

do you think? ehh. i kinda saw it more as an obliviousness. that there are also provisions for another press based on demand doesn't make it seem like a kinda fetishisation-of-the-limited thing.

one of the weird things that comes up re: this & mississippi is where the boundary lies between, a), pressing a bunch of records and selling them being a personal project, that one can take control of and do according to your own terms, versus b), there being an obligation to provide for the market and meet demand, etc. there are a lot of records that have come out (the first nite jewel & zola jesus LPs, say) in the past few years where the vinyl has disappeared & never come back, even while LPs go for crazy money on ebay. i sorta think that keeping stuff in circulation, repressing if there's enough demand, etc, means that you should be able to print something up according to your own specs without being called out for being small-scale or exclusive or whatever. i can see how doing it on a handmade basis, albeit in smaller numbers, and maintaining control, is worth some of the awkwardness of not necessarily meeting demand.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

like: there is always a lot of fuck mississippi etc, but why shouldn't you be able to open a store and do your best to make and distro some lps?

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

do you think? ehh. i kinda saw it more as an obliviousness. that there are also provisions for another press based on demand doesn't make it seem like a kinda fetishisation-of-the-limited thing.

I can totally see this side too.

I guess I was just angling at the fact that it felt to me like this (relative) level of demand could have been anticipated and that there must have been other factors at play. Perhaps financial ones relating to the size of the pressing they could afford for instance.

And being that this is a private press I want the money to get to her you know? I want her to be able to meet demands and sell and sell so she can afford to keep making music.

But as you say, there's another run coming so my conjecture is moot anyhow!

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ordered a copy from Forced Exposure but have doubts it will actually ship. Don't mind buying digital as long as it's FLAC.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ordered a copy from Forced Exposure and specified a zip code of a town I lived in a year ago, rather than where I am now. It still says "processing" so ideally they get my corrections (there's no way to specify it on their webstore) before they go out (if they go out at all). I will go ahead and say that this has been a bit of a hassle (and I'm not making things better by participating).

rope (lloydwabbitt), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

album doesn't turn up in forced exposure's search anymore, plus my account now shows no open or shipped orders. so that's the end of that adventure.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

hey hazel i do not really understand your posts but they are freaking me out, disrupting the serenity that descended after ordering a copy of this & stopping worrying about it all. doesn't your account just say being processed or whatever?, since that was the state it would've been in before? that it's disappeared from the site seems more like a good sign than a bad one.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

nope, my account shows no orders whatsoever, although I have an email from them with an order number. didn't mean to panic you. I'd like to hear it sooner rather than later, but if there's going to be a repress, I won't die.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

but what about the rest of us

but

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Weird FE stuff. I got an email saying it has shipped ups. I didn't use the beta site btw.

last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's a good point, the beta site is a beta site. some weirdness could be expected.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Weird Forest has them up right now for those who haven't got em yet

last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

they had them up for about six seconds.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

My FE order just says "ON HOLD / Awaiting Restocks" now. So I'm pretty sure that's the end of that.

rope (lloydwabbitt), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 06:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^ Same here, sadly.

I appreciate limited releases of an artist like Grouper, who controls her own output, but this is rather ridiculous. Scouring the internet, going to music websites where the records are up only a minute or so before they're all gone... Hugely frustrating.

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 08:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

The chase was thrilling but unsuccessful, so I torrented it. When it's easier to buy, I'll buy it. Boomkat has FLACs, but I'm not paying $26 for a download.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Are you kidding me? $26 for a fucking download?

last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's for two albums I assume, but still.

last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't hate Boomkat too much, the exchange rate is what makes it so high.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

the albums are a fiver each on itunes fwiw

caek, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Or two pounds something each on emusic.

ridic beau (NickB), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Do they have non-lossy formats?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

No, just cheap and cheerful 256kbps vbr MP3s iirc

ridic beau (NickB), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

A copy of each just showed up on Discogs. $30 though.

Barnaby, Hardly, Thursday, 21 April 2011 08:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

And some here too... http://www.reckless.com

Barnaby, Hardly, Thursday, 21 April 2011 08:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can't get that one to work, after clicking buy it just freezes (in both Firefox and Safari). This record is cursed. Thanks anyway.

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 21 April 2011 09:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

And some here too...

hey thank you
assuming my FE order is not happening also so trying these guys.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 09:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Gone from reckless.com now

plazzTT, Thursday, 21 April 2011 13:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha, yeah, i got that e-mail also. there's something on their FB from like Monday saying they got them in, so i guess it makes sense. i am hunting these lps so hard i am going to mount them like a moose-head when i get them fwiw.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 13:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't understanmd all this stress, they will be repressed for sure just like Dead Deer.

sleeve, Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

it is being excited to hear it, just. i am trying to be deliberate about the way i hear records first, because with leaks, sometimes things come out, and you hear them, and then the point at which you buy them - which shouldn't be the exciting thing about an album coming out, but which should be a thing that you do, if you like the record - becomes pretty much devoid of discovery or excitement and so laborious and unappealing, and then bam it's a record you've been playing around and around for two months but which actually buying is a drag, some perfunctory measure that you mean to get around to. with the smog record, i heard half of it when it leaked, and i'm still psyched to get the LP. with this, i'm excited for it; that i'll get the vinyl means i don't want to buy a download of it, and the idea of hearing it and then waiting just feels like it'll lead me into that zone where i don't get around to buying a thing or i just buy one of them and--. i don't know. it isn't possessiveness, it's just anticipation for her LP; that there is other music to listen to until it gets re-pressed doesn't diminish the excitement of a new record that people are enjoying.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

like, i'm trying to avoid that record-buying paralysis i sometimes get, when you feel like you're materialistically compiling objects that you already in some sense have, or know, out of this semi-nebulous sense of propriety & investment, getting into a conflict about whether i should be buying something more adventurous (having heard this specific thing), or one of her other records, or food, or eroding my debts, or whatever, instead. you eventually get reminded that records are good, useful, worthwhile objects to own, when you're broke and only have them for entertainment and they display their worth by modifying your living space, but buying something i've heard always feels like it's me being sorta possessive. where as trying to get it and so tying together the part where i hear it, & it is good, with the part where i reward grouper for excellent record-making efforts, just feels more convenient.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Got my copies in the mail yesterday, and damn these are great. But I think the reason these records were self released and not pressed in a large quantity is because it seems that they aren't really a proper follow up to dragging a dead deer up a hill. These songs seem like kind of an experimental departure for her. I could be wrong, but thats just my impression after a couple listens.

jonathan - stl, Friday, 22 April 2011 00:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'd say that these most recent two fit easily into her catalog...really the only departure was Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill. That was the first exposure of Grouper for a lot of people (including myself), so it's easy to view that as the baseline, but that was actually quite an unusual release for her in terms of accessibility. and while that accessibility brought her a lot of accolades and most people intrinsically think of it as "better", she may have a totally different view. more power to her!

ZERO TAXES (Z S), Friday, 22 April 2011 01:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill is by far my fav Grouper release, btw! :) i'm just saying that this new one is kind of a return to her older , pre DDD up a hill sound.

ZERO TAXES (Z S), Friday, 22 April 2011 01:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

the hold/sick 7" that was out a while ago felt like a step towards the more submersive old stuff, for sure

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Friday, 22 April 2011 01:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

My Forced Exposure order was cancelled today. Does anyone know if Dead Deer is getting any more represses?

The two albums very much feel like one is considerably older and one is newer. In my car Dream Loss sounded so blown out I couldn't even tell that it had vocals, while Alien Observer feels like it has songs but that the vocals and the lyrics are nowhere near as crucial to the structures as they were on Dragging a Dead Deer. It sounds to me like she's shifted her melodic instrument from acoustic guitar to electric piano, and I think this is the first time I've ever actually missed the presence of an acoustic guitar on someone's record. But yeah, these seem way more in line with Wide / Way Their Crept / Cover The Windows and the Walls than with Dead Deer. Will likely grow to love it regardless.

rope (lloydwabbitt), Friday, 22 April 2011 05:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was a sucker and ordered from Volcanic Tongue as soon as I saw the post above, even though they were like a billion dollars each. And even then, I just received this message:

Apologies for the delay getting back to you, we've been overwhelmed with Grouper orders. Sorry but the Grouper LPs have sold out, the demand far outweighed what Grouper could supply, we’re very sorry you missed out.

god is your co-god (Z S), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Same here, tried it at two places now (FE, Reckless) as in actually placing an order and a while later hearing the demand was too high. Does it even exist on vinyl?

My life with the thrill kill McNult (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 22 April 2011 18:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Tried FE, VT and Weird Forest, no luck. So i bought the ones on Discogs. Thankfully the exchange rate is in my favour...

bove, Friday, 22 April 2011 18:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

just fyi this is gone-gone, i think, now: sold out on fusetron, & at boomkat too, boomkat who were charging twenty-pounds-each for the lps.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I want to buy these records. Please make more of these records.

kraudive, Sunday, 1 May 2011 00:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, vinyl unavailability aside, Dream Loss is killing me. Haven't even spent any time with Alien Observer yet.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 1 May 2011 00:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

I prefer 'Alien Observer'..had a bit of an epiphany with the title track, on a still, sunny evening waiting for a train with blossom in the air. Need to spend more time with 'Dream Loss' tbh.

Craiger Lazer (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 1 May 2011 10:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Here's a little bit/interview with Liz. Her part starts around the 4:15 mark
http://www.wk.com/wke/show/dont_move_here/episode/3

last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Norman Records had some yesterday but all gone now:
http://twitter.com/#!/normanrecords/status/65078711191470080

plazzTT, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Listened to Alien Observer last night and it's astonishingly beautiful.

Matt DC, Friday, 6 May 2011 11:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^yeah, no kidding. I still haven't listened to dream loss yet, but wow, alien observer is a stunner.

original bgm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

and man, the gauzy, low-fi thing just works so well for her sound. the electric piano (is that what it is?) on here sounds gorgeous.

original bgm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think it's a wurlitzer

Number None, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

ah, that does sound like a better fit.

original bgm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

i kinda think alien obsrvr is formless garbage honestly /no whiney

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

^Been waiting for someone to say that, really.
I don't think it's garbage, necessarily, but there isn't much for me to hold onto.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

sure, I can see that. not necessarily a negative on a grouper record, tho. (imo)

original bgm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

hahaha, that's what everybody I have played any Grouper at all for says. "what is this crap? that's not even music."

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just play them some Stars Of The Lid and tell them to STFU

Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was similarly somewhat disappointed. It's not like she screwed up or anything, either. She just wasn't aiming for the same kind of sound as on dragging a dead deer up a hill. But that for me is her standout release, so while I enjoy this new material for what it is, i've ended up listening through these about as much as I listened to her earliest releases - 3-4 times each - rather than the many dozens of timed I've listened to DDD.

Z S, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love SotL more than just about anything on this shitty planet, btw!

Z S, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can't decide whether it's crap or beautiful. there's something about 'dead deer' that's really moving.

i think with the excess of shitwavegazebrochillwitchhouse or whatever the fuck it is you kids do these days, its hard to tell whether stuff in this circle of drone music has been well crafted, or is just plain no-effort-let-the-pedals-do-the-work garbage

jumpskins, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

actually no it's not hard to tell at all, it's either shit or not, but uh, it's changed the way people approach and appreciate stuff.

jumpskins, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

The early stuff esp 'Wide' and 'Way Their Crept' is still awesome to me.. 'DDD' was shocking to hear at first, and is less of a straight ambient record than the others.. 'AIA' seems halfway, but less dense than the pre-'DDD' material.

think with the excess of shitwavegazebrochillwitchhouse or whatever the fuck it is you kids do these days, its hard to tell whether stuff in this circle of drone music has been well crafted, or is just plain no-effort-let-the-pedals-do-the-work garbage

It doesn't matter if it sounds good

Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

The early stuff esp 'Wide' and 'Way Their Crept' is still awesome to me.. 'DDD' was shocking to hear at first, and is less of a straight ambient record than the others.. 'AIA' seems halfway, but less dense than the pre-'DDD' material.

think with the excess of shitwavegazebrochillwitchhouse or whatever the fuck it is you kids do these days, its hard to tell whether stuff in this circle of drone music has been well crafted, or is just plain no-effort-let-the-pedals-do-the-work garbage

It doesn't matter if it sounds good

Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

'dead deer' is ok, ive never been all that impressed w/ her music but im really not sure what the point of her 'music' even is, it seem p bereft of any ideas, also its not really enjoyable to listen to so

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a shame

Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

you can post that twice

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think the idea here is taking a lo-fi, indie sound as a starting point and then blur the edges and stretch everything out (in some cases more radically than others). not exactly novel but I think she pulls it off and I wouldn't say the music is bereft of ideas even if it isn't heavily conceptual.

original bgm, Friday, 13 May 2011 13:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just wait until her MTV Unplugged CD comes out.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

backed by the roots

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

"Slow Walkers is a new collaborative project between Australian sound artist Lawrence English and ambient pop artist Liz Harris, aka Grouper. It's a multi-media project about zombies that will take the form of an album, video installations and a live audio-visual concert." (http://p4k.in/trPvwA)

http://vimeo.com/30846604

Pretty stoked for this. Lawrence English's The Peregrine LP is one of my highlights of the year.

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Monday, 31 October 2011 22:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lawrence English's The Peregrine LP is one of my highlights of the year.

oh really? what's it like? i think he's real interesting but haven't really heard any of his solo stuff. the tenniscoats lp he recorded is special.

Local Christian Blues (schlump), Monday, 31 October 2011 23:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Here's a sample http://bit.ly/sbtPOM and a great piece on The Liminal http://bit.ly/ulpeYw.

I've been a fan since the two Digitalis vinyl reissues of A Colour For Autumn and Kiri No Oto so was primed for a new one.

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 08:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

A Colour For Autumn is fantastic, pretty excited to hear this news.

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 09:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Great interview with Liz in the new Wire, I was totally clueless on the biographical stuff. Mostly about her upbringing as a member of a cult-ish commune called The Group and the influence of that on her music.

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 22:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

the peregrine is indeed beautiful

sisilafami, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 23:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

OOH tell me more about the cult

the MMMM cult (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 November 2011 04:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Okay, from what I can remember, it was a commune based at a large estate in the Sonoran mountains that was into Fourth Way spirituality. Children were encouraged to think of the group as one big family and consequently were persistenly moved around between different sets of parents. They were given a lot of freedom to roam around the estate and so spent a lot of time outdoors, but apparently Liz Harris didn't mix with anyone from outside the community until she was eleven when she got sent off to public school, where obviously she was a complete outsider. This was when I think the commune was collapsing anyway.

Meanwhile, her father had left the commune previous to this and as a result Liz didn't feel wholly a part of the group but was instead was in this limbo between that and the outside world. The article then goes on to talk about this theme of inbetween states as a central part of her work. It was useful!

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 10 November 2011 11:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

(also Manuel Göttsching is on the cover, it's a nice issue!)

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 10 November 2011 11:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i wish that magazine weren't so expensive! is the Göttsching article long? worth reading?

also wow, what a mess of words here:

is never without some task around which and in connection with which it can alone exist. When this work is finished, that is to say, when the aim set before it has been accomplished, the fourth way disappears, that is, it disappears from the given place, disappears in its given form, continuing perhaps in another place in another form. Schools of the fourth way exist for the needs of the work which is being carried out in connection with the proposed undertaking. They never exist by themselves as schools for the purpose of education and instruction.

cults are so interesting

the MMMM cult (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm not sure I completely understand that wiki entry, it's still about as clear as mud to me.

The Göttsching piece is pretty much focussed entirely on E2-E4 btw. Haven't read it yet though.

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^ That makes me want to buy it even more

Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's also a piece about sandwell district

sisilafami, Thursday, 10 November 2011 16:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

The Visitor 12" by Grouper & Ilyas Ahmed is available from http://littleaxerecords.com, under distributed titles.

I'd been looking for it for a while.

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 09:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

“Spent the last two weeks writing sketches/demos for forthcoming collaboration between me and Grouper for the upcoming Ninja Tune Bug album.”

http://www.factmag.com/2012/01/11/the-bug-working-with-grouper-on-new-album/

Rapper rejoins fat man's co-op (NickB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, very interested in how that's going to turn out

Chris S, Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Me too! Maybe like a droney lo-fi, dubbed out version of Liz Frasier with Massive Attack?

Rapper rejoins fat man's co-op (NickB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

err, Liz Fraser obv

Rapper rejoins fat man's co-op (NickB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

totally, in a general sense, although hopefully very much its own thing as well

it's nice seeing this new Ethereal/Witchy Girls + Beats sound happening in a lot of places, as that's prob one of my fav combinations ever

Chris S, Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y46RQCMGjZU

Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Friday, 2 March 2012 12:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ಠ﹏ಠ (diamonddave85), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

THIS IS LIKE A DREAM COLLAB

ಠ﹏ಠ (diamonddave85), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Albums out in a couple of weeks time on Kranky (which makes sense cos the sound of that song is 100% pure essence of Kranky tbh).

Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

anyone hear this yet?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:29 (six years ago) Permalink

I've only given it a couple of cursory listens on spotify while I've been doing other things so I've not really formed a full impression of it yet, but it seems to be nicely split between dronier ambient soundscapes and folkier tunes with acoustic guitar (which I guess is the Tiny Viper side of things? Don't really know her work very well).

This song is very, very lovely btw and the most immediate track on the record:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmERm-l2_uc

Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 09:30 (six years ago) Permalink

^ top ten track of the year sort of stuff for me i would say

Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 09:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Enjoying Jesy Fortino's voice on this, reminds me a bit of Marcy Mays from Scrawl. Definitely going to have to listen to more Tiny Vipers.

Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 11:51 (six years ago) Permalink

tiny vipers - life on earth is in my top 10 of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_kUEgu2edI

i like the mirrorring album quite a bit, but it's hard to separate it from my overwhelming expectations and desires for a new tiny vipers album

grimes - (the elder scrolls iv:) oblivion (diamonddave85), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:24 (six years ago) Permalink

tiny vipers - life on earth is in my top 10 of all time

Am listening to this album right now btw. It's good!

Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:32 (six years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

folkier tunes with acoustic guitar (which I guess is the Tiny Viper side of things? Don't really know her work very well).

yep, the song-oriented stuff is straight from Tiny Vipers' two Sub Pop albums, both gorgeous, but way more straightforward and tuneful than Liz' work as Grouper. the Mirrorring album is lovely and strikes pretty much an exact midpoint between their two styles. i wrote about it here in detail.

ilxor, Sunday, 8 April 2012 02:46 (six years ago) Permalink

Looks like the AIA double album is getting a CD release on Kranky at some point in the near future. That'll be nice.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:12 (six years ago) Permalink

yesssssss!!

ilxor, Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:16 (six years ago) Permalink

oh that's cool.

the mirroring record is nice. liz quietly harmonising with/echoing tiny vipers is gorgeous.

& i went to see grouper's tape loop thing a couple of weeks ago, & only caught the end. swirly.

john-claude van donne (schlump), Sunday, 8 April 2012 15:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Looks like the AIA double album is getting a CD release on Kranky at some point in the near future. That'll be nice.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, April 7, 2012 8:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

and probably cheaper than buying the FLAC files, this is good news.

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:09 (six years ago) Permalink

goodness me this mirroring album is beautiful.

michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 04:26 (six years ago) Permalink

finally got my finances sorted and ordered a copy. I will read it with my copy of the Diablo III art book since they are coming in the same package.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 April 2012 16:26 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

got the A I A two CD set on Kranky, just now hearing Dream Loss for the first time, awesome & immersive... "Atone" is gorgeous.. haven't even gotten to Alien Observer yet.

ilxor, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:08 (six years ago) Permalink

anyone heard Violet Replacement?

ilxor, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:08 (six years ago) Permalink

that is literally the ONE grouper release i wasn't able to get. such a bummer...i've heard its beautiful. going for a lot of money on discogs now, obv.

jonathan - stl, Sunday, 20 May 2012 03:24 (six years ago) Permalink

I predict an LP pressing of Violet Replacement down the road.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:15 (six years ago) Permalink

wait isn't violet replacement like 2hrs+

blossom smulch (schlump), Sunday, 20 May 2012 17:47 (six years ago) Permalink

I predict a $46 pressing limited to only 300 special edition LPs that sell out before I can figure out that they're even on sale somewhere

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:29 (six years ago) Permalink

otm

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:33 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Hello,

A curation non-profit from Vancouver BC called Filip is putting out a fragment from a tape collage piece called SLEEP. One-sided vinyl 12". They're on a low budget, made 800.

They have a pre-order button on their website. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?c ... BVH52CGL7W
Otherwise Little Axe/Mississippi will take orders soon. Everyone has agreed not to charge more than 15$ for this record (it's a little high due to production cost.) If enough people want it I will repress it again later as a YELLOWELECTRIC release.

Thanks, be well

Liz

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 09:38 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Hey, thanks for posting this. Always meant to listen to this record, and that link has it streaming. Listening right now and it truly is lovely stuff. I like the guitar playing a lot.

grandavis, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 18:43 (six years ago) Permalink

^ so nice to read this. it's such a special record. the last place I lived I would listen to it most nights, playing the first side or putting the whole thing on through my ipod & falling asleep to it. the harmonising is so saintly & the guitar playing so affecting. it is so playable a record. i remember walking around a city on a really bright day, feeling ill & with it playing in my headphones, not attentive enough to squint away the sun & feeling like my brain was cotton wool and honey.

http://cdn04.cdn.gorillavsbear.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/GROUPER-THE-MAN-WHO-DIED-IN-HIS-BOAT1-575x575.jpg

http://archive.org/details/unreleased_Grouper_mp3-218

kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Sunday, 16 December 2012 06:42 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm going to start signing credit slips by writing Grouper in cursive like that.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 December 2012 07:48 (six years ago) Permalink

https://soundcloud.com/kranky/grouper-vital

i almost can't believe we get another grouper album from this time; in its mood & place it feels like unearthing a new gospel or a lost painting. i don't know how this is different from awaiting another of her records, but there's something so specific about the feeling, it feels lucky to hear it.

kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:09 (six years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Really enjoying this new-not-new album.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 00:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I listened to it not knowing it was unreleased from 2008 stuff and felt disappointed. Less so now I know! But am chomping at the bit to hear what she does next.

Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Getting lots of play around my house

Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:33 (six years ago) Permalink

i love the new-not-new one! much more than the dual A I A releases tbh

Z S, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 02:25 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah those left me cold compared to Dead Deer, haven't heard this "new" one. Are there Soundcloud samples or anything?

sleeve, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 02:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I think there are. I'm on the phone so I can't really search. But if you liked D a D D up the hill you'll definitely like it.

Z S, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 03:12 (six years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

i like this one a lot!

caek, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 13:29 (six years ago) Permalink

Can't wait to pick it up, as well as that reissue.

Evan, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:31 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I received this e-mail from Mississippi/Little Axe distro about two hours ago. Of interest to those who do not want to be eBay gouged...they are all still there now.

Hi there - I discovered a few boxes of several Grouper titles that are currently out of print. There is a limit of 1 of each item for this stuff and please don't just buy it to flip on ebay or discogs. They will be added to the website this afternoon and come down as soon as the copies are gone.

The available titles will be:

Grouper - Sleep $15
Grouper - Visitor $14
Grouper - Dragging a Dead Deer (self-released 3rd Pressing) $15

http://littleaxerecords.weebly.com/distributed-titles.html

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 14 March 2013 01:47 (six years ago) Permalink

thanks for the head's up. just ordered sleep + visitor. also listened to the sample from the Barna Howard on the same page and it sounds great. threw that one in the basket as well.

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:01 (six years ago) Permalink

I can't really justify picking these up right now, & there is a bunch of grouper stuff I still haven't got (never had that connective moment with the first record, seeing it in the store makes me want it), but buying grouper records is totally sensible behaviour; I play them way more often than probably anything else I own because they're just such a good environmental contribution to a living space. I don't even mean, wow, nice background music; just that I want to hear them more & more flexibly than I want to put on other lps.

schlump, Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:13 (six years ago) Permalink

ooh, there's an interesting roy montgomery album up there as well! thanks!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:17 (six years ago) Permalink

her sparse, rhodesy work on her side of her montgomery split is really special

schlump, Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:23 (six years ago) Permalink

jeez I need to get on that mailing list! I kinda know the Little Axe folks. Thanks for the heads up, I ordered a bunch of that stuff.

sleeve, Thursday, 14 March 2013 14:03 (six years ago) Permalink

this is an incredible song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnejbIBLGTg

you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 14 March 2013 15:43 (six years ago) Permalink

man, mirroring are playing a show in london in a couple of weeks. i would like to see those guys.

schlump, Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:58 (six years ago) Permalink

whoa, been avoiding this stuff for some reason but that track is gorgeous. Whole album like that? The stuff I heard from that Dead Deer album was a tad droney / aimless for my tastes, and I can only take so much of that post-4AD, post-Fursaxa type stuff. But that Youtube clip has me wanting to hear this new-not-new one.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 17 March 2013 02:37 (six years ago) Permalink

sort of, lots of droney stuff but at least half of the record is acoustic songs like Living Room. all excellent

yellow jacket (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 17 March 2013 08:58 (six years ago) Permalink

Can't find a copy of The Man Who Died In His Boat anywhere :(

Evan, Sunday, 17 March 2013 15:03 (six years ago) Permalink

kranky's mail order is nicely affordable, fwiw

schlump, Sunday, 17 March 2013 15:13 (six years ago) Permalink

they're outta the vinyl though

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:08 (six years ago) Permalink

Try discogs. There's two sealed copies on sale right now, one for $13.99, the other for $16.99

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:11 (six years ago) Permalink

oh, shit, those were CDs. sorry! there's a few LPs on sale through discogs too, but at a higher price.

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:12 (six years ago) Permalink

little ax maybs worth a shot too ida thought

schlump, Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:20 (six years ago) Permalink

Nah I don't see it there either. Worried it went out of print, but I'm hoping they're just trying to catch back up to demand on production.

Evan, Sunday, 17 March 2013 19:52 (six years ago) Permalink

they'll make more re best new music

yellow jacket (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:14 (six years ago) Permalink

from the Kranky website:

just to be clear, these two releases will NOT be limited on vinyl and they will remain in print, so please remain calm and you will get as many copies as you like in short order.

sleeve, Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:22 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm looking for the place the spirit meets the skin
can't figure out why that places feels so hard to be in
we're all of us at this ill-fitting party
busy pretending to relate
and it's getting harder and harder to fake
acting like everything's in its place

yellow jacket (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:22 (six years ago) Permalink

from the Kranky website:

just to be clear, these two releases will NOT be limited on vinyl and they will remain in print, so please remain calm and you will get as many copies as you like in short order.

― sleeve, Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:22 PM (1 hour ago)

Oh I missed that bit, thanks!

Evan, Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:26 (six years ago) Permalink

just got my records in from little axe. i ordered the "Sleep (fragment)" one-sided 12", plus the Visitor collaboration with Ilyas Ahmed.

"Sleep (Fragment)" is a long drone piece.

The Visitor record is pretty great! apparently they collaborated on all four of the tracks, but side A is definitely more Grouper-y and side B sounds more like Ilyas Ahmed is taking the lead.

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I got the "Sleep" record from them too, I like it.

btw I have also seen restocked LP copies of The Man Who Died In His Boat appear on an update or two.

the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:27 (five years ago) Permalink

Through Kranky you mean?

Evan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:44 (five years ago) Permalink

I assume so, my Wall Of Sound update said "back in stock"

the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Sunday, 31 March 2013 16:03 (five years ago) Permalink

i have been listening back to alien observer lately. such a strange record. so pretty but so swampy. like it has such weight to it. the guitars are like those folk tale tree limbs that are grabbing at everything else on the record. i feel like one day i will be in the perfect mood for it & it will blow me away.

schlump, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:02 (five years ago) Permalink

For me, the only time for those AIA records is after 1am. When everyone else is quiet. And they are lovely then.

kraudive, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:14 (five years ago) Permalink

that sounds like the right way to listen, I have not clicked with those yet.

the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 21:32 (five years ago) Permalink

Really wish Grouper wasn't onstage at 5.30pm at the Swans London gig tonight.

Barnaby, Hardly, Thursday, 4 April 2013 10:37 (five years ago) Permalink

it's a helluva time for a thursday, i'm wondering if anyone but me will be there.

i saw mirrorring live last week, exactly what you'd expect and utterly gorgeous.

a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:23 (five years ago) Permalink

Early start is probably a good thing, get up there before the noisy chatterboxes arrive

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:32 (five years ago) Permalink

aw man, i saw a picture of the mirroring show. what was it like? they just played some album songs w/some drones goin on?

schlump, Thursday, 4 April 2013 16:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I've had Way Their Crept since its release but didn't know what to make it exactly. Now listening to her entire oeuvre on Spotify, I like it in part because I probably prefer her at her most echo-laden and abstract.

Despite liking Dragging a Deer Head, to me the song structures feel a bit less unique. Still, I like that she explores a few different sides to her thing.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:13 (five years ago) Permalink

it would be so awesome if we could get this thread title changed

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:16 (five years ago) Permalink

it's the little things, sometimes, and i truly feel that if i could convince someone to change the title of the thread, the terrible rating of the world would decrease by at least 1

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Did that help?

Meantime, there's a new mix from her up at FACT

http://www.factmag.com/2013/04/22/fact-mix-379-grouper/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 April 2013 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I like the cryptic thread title!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:30 (five years ago) Permalink

Can't please everyone.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 April 2013 17:31 (five years ago) Permalink

I wish Grouper had been on 3-2-1 Contact.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

oh wow she is playing in austin soon! in a church!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:31 (five years ago) Permalink

her music is so beautiful it feels like god's joke

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:30 (five years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

saw her play tonight! it was dreamy and spooky and out of this world

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2013 06:37 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

http://elbo.ws/video/30846604/

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 16 August 2013 19:38 (five years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/felt-this-way-dying-all-time/id703325022

if anybody knows if this exists physically i would like to buy it

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 18:29 (five years ago) Permalink

hmmm, looks like it's also a 7" and it should be out very soon. i'd keep checking https://sites.google.com/site/yellowelectric/ and http://www.exiledrecords.com/

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 18:32 (five years ago) Permalink

can't wait to listen to it! HELEN

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 18:32 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah i am all over yellowelectric, i guess i was just waiting to see if there was anything concrete. i know people get bummed out by her records becoming unavailable, cyclically, sometimes, but she is reliably great w/production & distribution i think. psyched for HELEN.

http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music/v4/15/af/e4/15afe482-1e13-7d9d-7da1-488a581ac3d1/888003109841.170x170-75.jpghttp://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music/v4/15/af/e4/15afe482-1e13-7d9d-7da1-488a581ac3d1/888003109841.170x170-75.jpghttp://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music/v4/15/af/e4/15afe482-1e13-7d9d-7da1-488a581ac3d1/888003109841.170x170-75.jpg

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 18:37 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm going to keep checking it too, but if you find out more info can you post it here? i wwwaaaant it

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 18:38 (five years ago) Permalink

z s let's make a pact

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 18:39 (five years ago) Permalink

you have to promise

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 18:39 (five years ago) Permalink

let's synchronise watches & transnationally headbang once it is in both our hands

i am listening to this now & it slays, btw, DYING ALL THE TIME kills

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 18:40 (five years ago) Permalink

i promise!

and if there is only one left, then whoever gets it has to agree to very carefully slice the 7 inch in half so that we each get a song/side. i'm sure it's very easy to do!

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 18:48 (five years ago) Permalink

...i hope that i receive the 7" so i can do the cutting.

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 19:00 (five years ago) Permalink

oh man, that is an expensive mistake xp

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Friday, 13 September 2013 19:29 (five years ago) Permalink

YES, this is GOOD! want full album now, want want want.

very different from her other stuff - people interested in her earlier stuff or in fuzz rock in general would do good to check it out

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 23:03 (five years ago) Permalink

like her dead moon cover but louder & with someone playing drums over it

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 23:10 (five years ago) Permalink

wait, she has a dead moon cover?!

this is the best day

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 23:13 (five years ago) Permalink

i'll have to check it out. but yeah, helen (so far) sounds sorta in the vein of bands like belong (a high compliment imo) - i could see them doing something pretty amazing given the space of a full length

Z S, Friday, 13 September 2013 23:16 (five years ago) Permalink

ha I kinda wrote that dreaming that I could be breaking it to you; yeah, a kinda echoed-out DEMONA on a split seven inch inside YETI magazine a few issues back, probably still gettable online at yetipublishing.com. it's really good.

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 23:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I forget where but I remember reading Liz talk about her affection for that Stephen lp on flying nun, & it feels kinda not a million miles away from her playing with those kinda skewed pop structures

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, 13 September 2013 23:18 (five years ago) Permalink

so this is really great, huh. it is funny, she played here, a few months ago, & i have seen her on & off for awhile now, & before, when the last two records came out, but i remember this time her finishing with moon is sharp & this long kinda burnt-out coda of her just running the chord progression of it into the ground, like some kind of disastrously malfunctioning engine, & at the same time as it was as kind of mellow & not-hard-edged as any of her stuff, it was simultaneously so heavy & vicious. we left & got to have that discussion where someone is like it's actually really punk & somebody else agrees, cause it really was. & it's funny hearing this now - the grouper dna, that she's slowly stretching these lines out over the fast guitars - but it feels of a piece with where she was at, kinda.

also i feel like underratedaerosmith would vibe with this.

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Sunday, 15 September 2013 18:31 (five years ago) Permalink

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/felt-this-way-dying-all-time/id703325022

if anybody knows if this exists physically i would like to buy it

― @twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Friday, September 13, 2013

I asked http://www.volcanictongue.com and they replied to say...
We'll have it in 1-2 weeks, keep an eye on the updates as we'll announce it there when they're in!

Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 16 September 2013 10:19 (five years ago) Permalink

hey thank you man
what a fun excuse to go to volcanic tongue

@twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Monday, 16 September 2013 14:45 (five years ago) Permalink

No problem.

I just got a copy from these guys...
http://www.discogs.com/seller/time-lag-records

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 03:27 (five years ago) Permalink

ugh, this is SO GOOD

Z S, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 03:03 (five years ago) Permalink

i am still looking for somewhere to buy this & searched twitter for "dying all the time" & just found people complaining about ios7

schlump, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 15:47 (five years ago) Permalink

dropping a wild & indulgent $10 on this inc shipping from @steadysounds in richmond, if anyone is still hurtin'

schlump, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:35 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't see it listed on the steadysounds website! i'm hurtin'!

Z S, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:38 (five years ago) Permalink

nuh UH!, z S!, you gotta twit them up! if you check their account you will see me liaising with their Social Media Accounts & Branding Manager about such a transaction within the last five minutes. i paypal'd.

schlump, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Include message to retailer:
please send 3.5" of this release to my buddy z s, thank you

schlump, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:40 (five years ago) Permalink

awesome, i just sent them a twit!

Z S, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:59 (five years ago) Permalink

got it! (plus Cover the Windows) for $27 including shipping. thanks for the pro tip schlump!

Z S, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 21:01 (five years ago) Permalink

really glad you got hooked up

feeling this:

ugh, this is SO GOOD

― Z S, Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:03 AM (18 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bass playing totally has that one-too-many-cups-of-coffee vibe, it's so fun

schlump, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 21:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Just spotted that Time Lag are selling their last copy on Discogs for $25.

The copy they sold me two days ago was $12.

Barnaby, Hardly, Thursday, 26 September 2013 07:06 (five years ago) Permalink

60 bucks on discogs now. ugh. really wanted this

illegalblues, Thursday, 26 September 2013 15:58 (five years ago) Permalink

gross

i remember when a i a came out, boomkat making them £20 each; this isn't even necessarily an example of the most explosive upselling or anything but at the same time it's such a bummer considering that her records seem to be produced according to this awkward but idealistic ecosystem in which they're small-run but reliably re-pressed affordable lps

schlump, Thursday, 26 September 2013 16:01 (five years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Just in at Volcanic Tongue, have tried to order. They said it was on on their Instagram 4 hours ago so am hopefulish. £10.99 for a 7" but fuck it.

ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 25 October 2013 18:20 (five years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Really liking the Raum record - Liz Harris with Jefre Cantu-Ledesma who used to be in Tarantel and who also runs the Root Strata label iirc

but my heart is full of woah (NickB), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 13:49 (five years ago) Permalink

That sounds cool, have seen people here and there saying that the record is good but didn't know who was behind it. May try to track that down.

grandavis, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 14:18 (five years ago) Permalink

It's on Spotify if that helps?
http://open.spotify.com/album/0u9EF2bbsELJvn9ibBzUm7

Also I obviously meant Tarentel not Tarantel

but my heart is full of woah (NickB), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 14:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Cool, I will take a listen. Thanks!

grandavis, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 14:24 (five years ago) Permalink

http://vimeo.com/77818746

love mike love (ko komo) (schlump), Wednesday, 20 November 2013 02:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Is Raum on iTunes?

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 November 2013 11:43 (five years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

i think i read a mirroring interview where they talk about listening to a lot of julee cruise before making the record. & it is such a totally crazy lens to look at the record through! like it sorta sounds a lot like it while being just so not.

schlump, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:21 (four years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

latest grouper thing-----
https://vimeo.com/94267838

schlump, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:40 (four years ago) Permalink

i got t hat roy montgomery compilation released by liz harris's lable. it's phenomenal.

espring (amateurist), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:45 (four years ago) Permalink

label

espring (amateurist), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:45 (four years ago) Permalink

oh cool. i never really cracked him, i know a bunch of people here are big fans. maybe i should get it.

schlump, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:45 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Yeah, still fucking awesome.
This is off the newest one:

Heavy Water/I'd Rather be Sleeping

I adore this song.

Cover pic of Dead Deer really unnerves me.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 12 June 2014 20:42 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/the-bug-void-feat-liz-harris

^ dunno if this has been posted elsewhere already

john wahey (NickB), Monday, 21 July 2014 09:14 (four years ago) Permalink

kind of a massive attack with liz fraser move by kevin martin, good track though

john wahey (NickB), Monday, 21 July 2014 09:17 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

New album announced. Another new/old album... but newer/old than than last new/older one.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 14 August 2014 15:56 (four years ago) Permalink

a friend at ZDB played me a few moments from it last year. definitely not more of the same. very beautiful.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 August 2014 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

(not like I would even complain even if it were more of the same -- I loved 'AIA')

Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 August 2014 17:28 (four years ago) Permalink

This is exactly the sort of thing I am hoping for every time this thread gets bumped. Excellent.

mirostones, Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:35 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Gorgeous song from the new album premiering on Vogue (!)

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:40 (four years ago) Permalink

i now think of grouper every time i see spurs play

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:53 (four years ago) Permalink

sometimes read this thread title and think it says GROUPER "Under Rug Swept"

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:37 (four years ago) Permalink

thanks lbi, really beautiful

schlump, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i got the man who died in his boat recently, good stuff

am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

I think the Mirrorring album is my favorite thing I've heard from Liz Harris.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 17:46 (four years ago) Permalink

^ me too!

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 19:07 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Ruins is hitting the spot for me at the moment. The little details like the restarting of the track on Clearing, or keeping the stove beeeeeeep (which I almost always think is my own) near the end of Labyrinth add lovely touches to the album.

afroslack, Thursday, 2 October 2014 04:06 (four years ago) Permalink

it's out already?

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 October 2014 04:18 (four years ago) Permalink

OMG

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 2 October 2014 04:20 (four years ago) Permalink

holy fuck it's been on pirate bay for two weeks

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 2 October 2014 04:21 (four years ago) Permalink

pre-ordered my LP - so far this is as great as i expected, very great. much very great

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 2 October 2014 04:36 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm going to wait until the record comes so I can listen to it with the field recording of the thunderstorm.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:55 (four years ago) Permalink

grouper music is proof that the universe isn't completely indifferent to the human condition

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 5 October 2014 05:15 (four years ago) Permalink

i feel like harris is constantly searching and yet has all the answers has the same time

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 5 October 2014 05:16 (four years ago) Permalink

*at the

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 5 October 2014 05:17 (four years ago) Permalink

"Disengaged" came up on our shuffle yesterday and my wife's old friend (who is visiting) was immediately enthralled, it sounded esp. great out of context.

sleeve, Sunday, 5 October 2014 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to hearing the new one with vinyl crackles after 1 am. Her music just isn't the same to me without those two things. Is that silly? Listening to AIA all through tonight and it sounds incredible.

kraudive, Monday, 6 October 2014 00:26 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

p4k review was spot on

Pentenema Karten, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:14 (four years ago) Permalink

just took a minute to reread the first bit of this thread, and

1) god can we change the title of this thread some day soon
2) i miss that magical 3 hours or so where i thought she was from Poland
3) If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:43 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:19 (four years ago) Permalink

dammit, that's confusing. parts 1 and 2 are my own deep analysis of the beginning of the thread while part 3 is a really dumb thing that IACFTPWBAA said

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:20 (four years ago) Permalink

after a few listens, I'm on the hook now. 'Lighthouse' is beautiful.

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:34 (four years ago) Permalink

polish vibe can't be shrugged

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:34 (four years ago) Permalink

pierogi vibes

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:36 (four years ago) Permalink

drone : shredded cabbage

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:38 (four years ago) Permalink

*microwave beeps bc cucumber soup is ready*

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:41 (four years ago) Permalink

quintessential chilled soup imo

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:44 (four years ago) Permalink

so wait...if the microwave beeped because of a power outtage, wouldn't her 4 track power off/stop recording as well?... ... .. . .. . .

Pentenema Karten, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:45 (four years ago) Permalink

prbly battery operated

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:48 (four years ago) Permalink

grouper albums are basically this mookieproof post from the 'me irl' thread
https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/2d6f2dc2a5e1b515203905140236bf75/tumblr_ndrs5ytC1B1r2rj8po1_500.jpg

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:56 (four years ago) Permalink

yup. rediscovering all the shows she played after DDD, it's all AIA material:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQj9fF66xU

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 07:51 (four years ago) Permalink

seeing her on Saturday night in this venue:

http://www.albertaabbey.org/s/cc_images/cache_4206279675.jpg?t=1404070353

sleeve, Friday, 31 October 2014 16:16 (four years ago) Permalink

Most of the time I put Grouper on I'm left with a "is that all there is?" feeling, but man does this music ever destroy me when I'm sick in bed

fgti, Friday, 31 October 2014 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

she would've been a great sponsor for TASCAM. a lot of that grouper magic is pitch control

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 17:56 (four years ago) Permalink

Most of the time I put Grouper on I'm left with a "is that all there is?" feeling, but man does this music ever destroy me when I'm sick in bed

― fgti, Friday, October 31, 2014 2:29 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ this is super surprising to me! they are the ultimate slow-burn records for me; even the ones i can't unravel feel like there's some unplumbable more i can't reach, rather than any kind of limit

schlump, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:00 (four years ago) Permalink

it's the only music that still feels of another world to me. i'm not thinking about chords, notes, equipment, effects, even structure - though her songs have it. Aided by the fact that she doesn't tour, plays live very selectively, and doesn't do a ton of press...Harris has so much mystery because she's pretty much just there in the music, not on twitter, all over the world, getting interviewed backstage at bonnaroo, etc...

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 18:11 (four years ago) Permalink

"Clearing" is one of the most beautiful songs I know rn

fgti, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:49 (four years ago) Permalink

saw her play in a church and man it was like no other show I've ever attended, magical

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 31 October 2014 23:51 (four years ago) Permalink

this is in an abbey! so excited.

sleeve, Friday, 31 October 2014 23:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah there was a Swedish American Hall show in SF I saw as part of the On Land festivals that was BEYOND great. Catching her live is special.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 October 2014 23:56 (four years ago) Permalink

after a few listens, I'm on the hook now. 'Lighthouse' is beautiful.

― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:34 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, for sure - the albums (this new one especially) sneaks up on you.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 2 November 2014 02:16 (four years ago) Permalink

jesus christ i just found this song from 2008...another treasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgSTG6z-KtE

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 7 November 2014 13:43 (four years ago) Permalink

show was amazing, natch. killer version of "Clearing" from Ruins, also I think the last one off the new one as well? something long and drawn-out at the end.

I love how invisible she is, in her black stocking cap, crosslegged on the floor, you could barely see her but the sound was huge and the whole wall behind her was covered with video projection.

sleeve, Sunday, 9 November 2014 03:11 (four years ago) Permalink

also, I cannot believe how great the full length version of "Sleep" is, I had only heard the LP-side excerpt

sleeve, Sunday, 9 November 2014 03:13 (four years ago) Permalink

what was the rest of the setlist like?

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 9 November 2014 07:01 (four years ago) Permalink

no idea but I loved it. looked like she switched from a small keyboard to guitar and back a couple of times? hard to see.

sleeve, Monday, 10 November 2014 02:41 (four years ago) Permalink

to be a bit more clear, there were a lot of effects and nothing sounded much like the piano tracks on Ruins, in fact I could swear that she played "Clearing" on guitar

sleeve, Monday, 10 November 2014 02:42 (four years ago) Permalink

got the new record in the mail today, and have been listening tonight! wow it is different. I like it! and I liked the effect of the thunderstorm CD behind the album so much I am playing it over some other records too. right now roy montgomery's scenes from the south island.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:11 (four years ago) Permalink

oh that's so lovely; it hadn't occurred to me it was intended as a pairing. just out of curiosity, is that inferred anywhere or are you just freestyling?

schlump, Friday, 14 November 2014 05:29 (four years ago) Permalink

when I ordered it I said I was super-excited about the thunderstorm field recording CD and ms. harris suggested the idea!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:48 (four years ago) Permalink

so neat!
& thanks for passing that on.

schlump, Friday, 14 November 2014 06:55 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Grouper announced a short European tour! http://www.factmag.com/2014/12/16/grouper-european-tour/

maarten, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 13:38 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.splicetoday.com/music/grouper-artist-of-the-decade

"Grouper music is something that is tapped into, not created. Harris’ gift in capturing the in-between states of our natural cycle is what puts her in rarefied air—it goes far beyond the relatively simple joys of being in love with a band, song or an artist’s persona. Grouper music is like peeking into the afterlife, or a parallel spiritual world that only affects us subliminally. The subliminal force of Grouper music has me convinced that Harris is merely a conduit for the voice of the universe; that the sound coming out of her pedals and tapes and guitars and keyboards is only passing through like the wind, waiting for her touch."

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 21:58 (four years ago) Permalink

wow, simultaneously hyperbolic and condescending

maybe... she's just a good songwriter?

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 22:37 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah would not be flattered to be called a conduit.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 04:36 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah but could be for worse things than the voice of the universe.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 25 December 2014 04:31 (four years ago) Permalink

This remains the worst titled thread

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 25 December 2014 04:53 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Heavy Water sounds like Benoit Pioulard

calstars, Sunday, 22 February 2015 17:09 (four years ago) Permalink

wow, simultaneously hyperbolic and condescending

maybe... she's just a good songwriter?

― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:37 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm fairly sure that this is Spazz's way of saying she's a great songwriter.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 22 February 2015 17:16 (four years ago) Permalink

i need to listen to the new benoit pioulard - didn't he go full on ambient/instrumental with the new one? BP was always really frustrating for me. i have a couple of his records (the Precis and Temper collected 2LP thing that Kranky put out a while back), and saw him play once with Windy & Carl (some of the audience actually fell asleep!), but somehow it always felt like things never completely came together in his recorded output. his music is almost singularly in between spaces for me, and although i love the idea of that, in practice i end up turning the stereo and off and sitting in silence.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 February 2015 17:39 (four years ago) Permalink

None of BP's albums are dramatically different from each other, but for the record Lasted is the best iteration of his sound. So if you like what he does generally speaking but feel like his records haven't clicked, that might be the one to try.

The new one is full ambient, apparently, but it's not out yet. Comes out in March I think.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 22 February 2015 21:30 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i finally dug into ruins and it leveled me. "clearing" is a tidal force. that song will be with me for the rest of my life.

also recently discovered julie byrne's 2014 album "rooms with walls and windows" which i would strongly recommend to grouper fans. it's a bit less, idk, spectral compared to grouper, but i've been really enjoying it. it puts me in an headspace that's adjacent to what harris' stuff does for me.

Clay, Monday, 27 April 2015 05:46 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah that julie byrne album is great, you might want to check out Broken Twin's May as well

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Monday, 27 April 2015 06:21 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

YES

http://pitchfork.com/news/60270-groupers-liz-harris-announces-debut-album-from-dream-pop-band-helen-shares-motorcycle/

A couple years ago, Grouper's Liz Harris released one single by her dream-pop band, Helen. The band, also featuring Jed Bindeman (of Eternal Tapestry) and Scott Simmons (and someone named Helen credited with "back up vocals"), have now announced their debut album. The Original Faces is out September 4 via Kranky. Listen to "Motorcycle" above.

01 Ryder
02 Motorcycle
03 Covered in Shade
04 Felt This Way
05 Pass Me By
06 Right Outcome
07 Allison
08 Dying All the Time
09 Grace
10 City Breathing
11 Violet
12 The Original Faces

i'm at work so haven't had the chance to listen to the new song. but man, i really REALLY loved that little 7 inch they put out a couple years ago. can't wait to hear the full length

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:56 (three years ago) Permalink

ohhhhhhhh swooooooooooooooooooooon!

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:30 (three years ago) Permalink

this sounds great!
w/ organ & tangled guitar grouper dna not so present in the first two songs.
hey maybe we get to go see helen shows

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

http://cdn3.pitchfork.com/news/60270/8700513c.jpg

best band foto

feargal czukay (NickB), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:40 (three years ago) Permalink

awesome, that track sounds like an early sarah records 7"

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Love it!!!!

Evan, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 16:54 (three years ago) Permalink

YES! "Dying All the Time" was fantastico.

List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

another song is streaming!

http://www.thefourohfive.com/music/article/jump-into-the-gently-swaying-noise-of-violet-by-helen-143

plus it's not available for pre-order at http://www.kranky.net/

1993 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 13 August 2015 19:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I think you meant "now"

Evan, Thursday, 13 August 2015 19:43 (three years ago) Permalink

mistakes were made, the zs story

1993 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 13 August 2015 19:46 (three years ago) Permalink

this is so good

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 13 August 2015 20:54 (three years ago) Permalink

ty karl, this is hardchoral

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 13 August 2015 20:55 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Enjoying the lost classic from ~1990 vibe of the Helen record. Could imagine discovering it via a Forced Exposure review that references Kendra Smith and Crystalized Movements.

feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 4 September 2015 08:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Happier times when i was lonely, scared and miserable in my bedroom.

feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 4 September 2015 08:05 (three years ago) Permalink

just discovering pale saints

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 4 September 2015 17:37 (three years ago) Permalink

The Helen album sounds very 90s liberal arts college band-y. Not a bad thing.

calstars, Sunday, 6 September 2015 02:15 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't like how her vox are drenched in so much reverb. It's not like she has a bad voice...I understand it's the aesthetic but...

calstars, Sunday, 6 September 2015 02:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Drummer demonstrates that perpetual behind the beat, just learned to play a month ago vibe

calstars, Sunday, 6 September 2015 02:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Bad Calstars Posts Copyright 2015

crime breeze (schlump), Monday, 7 September 2015 01:11 (three years ago) Permalink

this is so great
the grouperness of it is so satisfying, & then there's this whole other dimension to the really pop pop songs
like allison is like early best coast
i remember reading grouper & tiny vipers talking about the mirroring record & how they spent forever choosing song titles
& this is in that same lyrical zone sometimes
like i am walking around thinking city breathing

crime breeze (schlump), Monday, 7 September 2015 01:14 (three years ago) Permalink

i still haven't heard it! i got a download link via twitter dm but couldn't get it to work without malware. i'm going to go old school and buy a physical copy though, so it will work out. can't wait.

1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 03:32 (three years ago) Permalink

get the malware version

crime breeze (schlump), Monday, 7 September 2015 03:53 (three years ago) Permalink

ltd ed DELUXE malware version ft KoolSearch Browser Toolbar

crime breeze (schlump), Monday, 7 September 2015 03:54 (three years ago) Permalink

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1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 04:25 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1O9O21TXqc

1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 04:28 (three years ago) Permalink

guh <3

instrumentally 'covered in shade' sorta sounds like early clean. so good.

the galaxie 500/new order higher register bass thing is happening throughout the record. the two songs from the 2013 single (felt this way and dying all the time) still rule just as hard. i don't know how many people heard it so they'll probably still be new to most. 'dying all the time' appears in remixed form and is even more woozier and fuzzier than the original version. a keyboard is added to the mix, and the guitar is moved to a more abstract siderole. i loved the 2013 song with a burning passion so to hear a new version of it that is somehow even better is a blessing. #blessthismess 'violet' is another standout.myeah, the vocals are reverbed out. i like reverb, so cool with me. but if you're not a fan of it you should probably listen to real life instead, particularly in soundproofed small-medium sized rooms.

1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 05:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Grace is fucking great, keep replaying that one

flappy bird, Monday, 7 September 2015 22:19 (three years ago) Permalink

the bass is the best part of this lp

flappy bird, Monday, 7 September 2015 22:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Loving Ruins tonight. Its so great. Everything she does is gold.

kraudive, Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:00 (three years ago) Permalink

someone asked me if helen would tour. i laughed and then became very sad

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

"Allison" and "Violet" FTW

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 01:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Why wouldn't they tour? Seem to be getting some heat on this LP, hell even Eternal Tapestry gets to Europe every couple years.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 07:38 (three years ago) Permalink

pretty sure that liz harris hates touring, she hasn't done it since 2009. she does a run of gigs here and there, but never more than half a dozen at a time.

flappy bird, Friday, 25 September 2015 17:48 (three years ago) Permalink

really like the HELEN album but listening to "wind return" right now thinking she could make 1000 more songs like this and i'd be happy

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 September 2015 17:59 (three years ago) Permalink

i dunno if/how she'll ever top 'Alien Observer'... every second of that record is perfect... honestly makes me cry just thinking about it

flappy bird, Friday, 25 September 2015 18:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I've seen her live like...seven, eight times? She seemed to play New York a ton and I've seen her twice in the bay area now, only been here about a year. Not sure if Helen live at Budoakan is imminent but an east coast run, a west coast run, why not? Some other thing she's doing: http://hollywoodforever.ticketfly.com/event/964063-bug-earth-liz-harris-los-angeles/

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 03:48 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

fao karl malone
http://momaps1.org/sundaysessions/grouper-and-william-basinski-live/

i saw her do hypnosis display a couple months back but this mentions an entirely new set of material

bloat laureate (schlump), Saturday, 12 March 2016 10:45 (three years ago) Permalink

i forgot to reply to that, schlump, but i went! and it was great! first time seeing grouper, and basinksi was amazing as well, although his set hewed a lot closer to the recorded material (cascade, and he also did one of the disintegration loops as an encore)

the whole thing is looping here: https://boilerroom.tv/session/grouper-william-basinski-live-at-moma-ps1/
(looping meaning you can't skip forward or backward in the set)

Karl Malone, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:39 (two years ago) Permalink

i saw basinski a little while ago in london - he was great, and his fashion was extremely bold.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 21 March 2016 15:50 (two years ago) Permalink

as for grouper, she played for about an hour, and although there wasn't any silence at any point (iirc) there were definitely 3 main arcs to it. i thought i heard elements of her released music in there, but a lot of it seemed new as well, and of course there were improvised live vocals and keyboards over the top.

it was an interesting space as well, the geodesic dome in the courtyard. i didn't think it could hold so many people, but it did. everyone just kind of naturally found their spot and sat down on the carpet upon entry, but just before grouper played the organizers told everyone to stand up, but also that they could sit down later if they wanted to. i think the reasoning behind this was to have everyone stand and move in closer to take up less space so everyone could get inside, but it confused some people into thinking they weren't allowed to sit. despite this, a movement to sit down started spreading through the crowd, beginning at the left edge and creeping toward the middle-back like a welcome contagious disease. unfortunately it didn't hit our section until just before she finished playing. then she finished, and everyone stood up again. then during the wait between sets, everyone sat down again. as soon as basinski walked on stage, all the people on the front row immediately stood up (????) but then a courageous sitter in the back yelled 'HEY! SIT DOWN! EVERYBODY SIT DOWN!' whoever that person wins the Pontiac Real Driving Excitement Attendee of the Show award, because then everyone sat down for the rest of the show and it was just blissful.

^the most detailed recounting of the sitting down and standing up at the grouper/william basinski show on the entire internet^

bonus highlight: during basinksi's set, the guy next to me was snoring incredibly loudly and rhythmically, once every 4 or 5 seconds. as 'Cascade' continued its long fade and got more and more quiet, his snores became more audible to everyone in the area. The piece concluded and there was complete silence (it was a great crowd tbh, very respectful) and then ---**SNSNOOOOOORRREEEEEGGGhhhhhghhhHHhh___ghhhhhhhhhh---. it was really, really funny. a great juxtaposition of the beauty of basinski's music along with its practical effects

Karl Malone, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:53 (two years ago) Permalink

I really wish I could have made it to that!!

Evan, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:37 (two years ago) Permalink

photo from last spring's marfa myths show:

http://i.imgur.com/UzwQinS.png

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:06 (two years ago) Permalink

nice!

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:13 (two years ago) Permalink

that marfa myths set was one of the more devastating live shows i'd seen in a while

pre millennial tension (uptown churl), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:33 (two years ago) Permalink

rad pic f. hazel
+ so cool to read about + then hear this karl malone. & yeah she plays some older things with new things, alien observer & some piano from ruins on top of a new thing, i guess it was that it is a new set not a set exclusively consistent of new songs. i am so hyped that there will maybe be more grouper. it is sorta just so intriguing that she moved into such heavy territory w/ a i a & we haven't really heard where that goes next.

bloat laureate (schlump), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 02:49 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQj9fF66xU

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 September 2016 05:29 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

you guys, there is a new grouper 7" on spotify, and it is a MUST LISTEN

josh, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 06:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh damn, this is good. It's nice to hear Harris behind a guitar again.

josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 07:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh yes, this is great.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 08:40 (two years ago) Permalink

New songs are so beautiful, so glad she's back. Was worried about those retirement rumors. Grateful for Grouper

flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:35 (two years ago) Permalink

Get her some direct coin via Bandcamp, I sez:

https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/paradise-valley

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:36 (two years ago) Permalink

7" went really quick. Hope I made the cut...

Evan, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:37 (two years ago) Permalink

she'd get even more direct coin if she'd press more records! oh well, hopefully they'll repress at some point.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:09 (two years ago) Permalink

Can't believe I missed the 7". Sold out on my way to work.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:12 (two years ago) Permalink

Was looking at her bandcamp and noticed that Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill has been modified: it's just listed as "Dragging a Dead Deer," and the tracklist is in reverse order:

1. We've All Gone To Sleep
2. Tidal Wave
3. Wind And Snow
4. A Cover Over
5. I'm Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill
6. Invisible
7. Fishing Bird (Empty Gutted In The Evening Breeze)
8. Traveling Through a Sea
9. When We Fail
10. Stuck
11. Heavy Water / I'd Rather Be Sleeping
12. Disengaged

flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:51 (two years ago) Permalink

she'd get even more direct coin if she'd press more records! oh well, hopefully they'll repress at some point.

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:09 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ this is so otm. I appreciate the control artists want to have over their output, but with more and more artists it's a shame the first presses are so small. Every Grouper release sold out today is on discogs for the amount times five tomorrow. Same with so many more (Caretaker comes to mind). They've become investments for resellers.

(Yeah, I missed out on the 7" too..)

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:14 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't really understand the motivation for artists to do this. It looks like eventually most things get re-pressed, but its just this fake, tiny weird market bubble for some of these artists...does it really enhance their overall mystique/desirability/bookability as artists?

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:34 (two years ago) Permalink

pressing records is really expensive. i doubt Harris expected to sell 300 copies before noon. it might not have been possible for her to press anymore than that anyway. the logistics of pressing vinyl independently are so fucked, there are so few pressing plants and they're all backed up with major label releases and Pink Floyd reissues.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:52 (two years ago) Permalink

While the latter is certainly true, the former though.. Quite sure Harris is aware of the fact that her albums are being sold well over $100 a piece. It's simply a demand issue: way more people want her physical releases than the number she releases them in.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:02 (two years ago) Permalink

new goal: get someone to loan me $10 million, use 100K of that to hire someone who knows what they're doing and use the rest of the money to open a new record pressing plant, profit

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:03 (two years ago) Permalink

seems like they're putting vinyl up on bandcamp right now?

https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/ruins

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:03 (two years ago) Permalink

xps You're right, I'm sure she's aware of discogs gouging. But I wouldn't be surprised if she's simply pressing as many as she can due to the plants being clogged and prohibitively expensive for someone doing it herself.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:08 (two years ago) Permalink

That's a 2014 LP, not the new single in question

sleeve, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:08 (two years ago) Permalink

still, i am shocked that the 7" sold out so quickly. was sure i'd be able to get it. bummed bc i'm definitely not getting it second hand from discogs.

xp yeah she's been selling self-releases of most of her records through the yellowelectric site for a while now, that Ruins pressing isn't new.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:10 (two years ago) Permalink

no i get that, i'm just saying that afaict that 2014 vinyl reissue was literally just this second posted

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:16 (two years ago) Permalink

Are you talking about the "special edition" version of Ruins on there though because that certainly looks new.

Evan, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:43 (two years ago) Permalink

She sold an identical artist's edition of Ruins when it was released in 2014. Not sure if this is a new run or she is just selling her stuff through bandcamp exclusively now.

https://www.discogs.com/Grouper-Ruins/release/6237251

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 23:03 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah the special edition went up today afaict. it said "ships dec 21" earlier today, and now says "ships in 7 days" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 22 December 2016 01:23 (two years ago) Permalink

important information about new grouper release

GROUPER RULES

Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:25 (two years ago) Permalink

Maybe that should have been on the t-shirt that came with the 7"

Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:26 (two years ago) Permalink

it might be time for a custom t

Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:35 (two years ago) Permalink

i am not emotionally prepared to experience new grouper material, i'll need to take a few days

Clay, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:42 (two years ago) Permalink

Same. I need to be in the right headspace and environment

calstars, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I am there.
I am in the grouper zone, reporting out live

Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:38 (two years ago) Permalink

i've listened to "headache" way too many times in a row in the past 24 hours but how could i possibly stray away from something so unspeakably transcendent

josh, Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:05 (two years ago) Permalink

finally listening to this at night, it really does sound warmer and more present than any of the AIA. the Water People single is probably the most obvious precedent. there's a lot less reverb and the guitars & her voice sounds a lot closer.

flappy bird, Thursday, 22 December 2016 06:11 (two years ago) Permalink

For those that missed it, perhaps this'll work as a back up option:

https://boomkat.com/products/paradise-valley-d8ee21d6-5329-41f7-bb54-8411eaa412ab

Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:14 (two years ago) Permalink

that works for me

sleeve, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:27 (two years ago) Permalink

btw Discogs lists it as a pressing of 1000, see similar debate in the comments re: availability

https://www.discogs.com/Grouper-Paradise-Valley/release/9539659

sleeve, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:34 (two years ago) Permalink

Thanks Evan!

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:35 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah thanks for the heads up, glad I got this!

flappy bird, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:56 (two years ago) Permalink

You're welcome!

Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:58 (two years ago) Permalink

Gorgeous video for "Headache"

https://vimeo.com/195999938

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:58 (two years ago) Permalink

hey floks, if anybody is hip 2 remaining copies of this (generally not supra optimistic abt boomkat), pls honk @ me xxx

schlump, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:11 (two years ago) Permalink

i'm so psyched that that video finally came out, she projected it when I saw her play 2 years ago, w/o new song though.

flappy bird, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:24 (two years ago) Permalink

Fantastic video. Been listening to this single pretty much non stop for the last 24 hours. Transcendental.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 22 December 2016 21:08 (two years ago) Permalink

@schlump, '7" (sold out) BC copies --- distros and stores will have it: Forced Exposure, Reckless, Boomkat, Mississippi, Little Axe, Exiled.'

schlump, Friday, 23 December 2016 01:53 (two years ago) Permalink

rough shot at the lyrics to 'Headache'

My mother once told me,
'She walks into the ocean'
Didn't want it, just kidding 'til we're rising well
Wanted to the heaven closer to love
Why's this costume weighing me down?

And my head hurts
And their sails turn

Fire in me enormous
Try my best when I'm alone lock it
I realize it won't
Walking in the deep end
Flying lights on the back of my eyelid
Blood is lucky blood in me

And my head hurts
And their sails turn
Flying lights on the back of my eyelid
Blood is lucky blood in me turns

flappy bird, Friday, 23 December 2016 06:37 (two years ago) Permalink

lil starfire moment

schlump, Friday, 23 December 2016 16:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Why did you choose to self-release Paradise Valley, alongside a reprint of Ruins? Is there a freedom in the self-release that’s appealing to you?

I love the process; it makes me feel good to have a routine, some control, a craft. It must relate back to where I come from as a print maker and artist. Have always been more comfortable with sharing those skills than I am sharing sound. So, it’s a less stressful part of making music; that is one reason I cling to it.

Feels good to be protective of this music and my relationship to it. Freedom to go as slow as I want, meter the weight of it in hand, disregard the name and figure a little, focus on the resonance of the final object, choose to do less promotion. Self releasing does not allow big quantities to be made. And it takes more time. More attention is needed. I like that practice.

schlump, Friday, 23 December 2016 22:58 (two years ago) Permalink

^ I can respect that, but it's hard to believe there can't be some aspect of marketing (supply and demand) to this.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Friday, 23 December 2016 22:59 (two years ago) Permalink

Does this mean we can expect a new Grouper album in 2017?

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, 23 December 2016 23:40 (two years ago) Permalink

There are days where I think the AIA double album is my favorite ever.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, 23 December 2016 23:41 (two years ago) Permalink

Sorry for shitposting but the new one sounds like an abandoned liz phair demo from '92

calstars, Friday, 23 December 2016 23:43 (two years ago) Permalink

the interview i quoted mentions these songs are from 2012 !, + i think when albums come out has been similarly quantum. i saw her sometime this year & she played all new material + one song from ruins rearranged. it was rly beautiful.

i can't get w a marketing/supply & demand critique bc supply .......................... did not meet demand ................................................................................................................. lol

schlump, Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:01 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah schlump, i'm talking out of my ass, apologies

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:04 (two years ago) Permalink

sry 2 thread police guy
idk if it is q the same w 7"s but she is v diligent abt reissuing lps i think, so it is frustrating to miss out but eventually you get like a fourth pressing or w/e
i get way more bummed by boomkat taking veblen pricing strategies
tho maybe i'm wrong there too + it is a lot of work to answer all the enquiries &c
who knows
feels so nice to hear new grouper

schlump, Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Somehow I got one of the last ten she was selling on bandcamp, so I'm not complaining for once!

Evan, Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:37 (two years ago) Permalink

sweet interview, thanks for sharing schlump!

flappy bird, Saturday, 24 December 2016 03:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Fuck, I LOVE Headache. Just gorgeous.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 04:09 (two years ago) Permalink

Came here to drunkenly post about how great Alien Observer is. I didn't even know there was a new single people rated so much.

AIA is a great couple of records though. The sky here is bright with cold at midnight. I think that's what made me put them on.

kraudive, Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:23 (two years ago) Permalink

Perfect.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:38 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

new grouper single https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/water-people

if you're reading this on feb 3 i think grouper's proceeds go to NoDAPL and bandcamp proceeds go to the ACLU

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 February 2017 17:20 (two years ago) Permalink

Rerelease of an older single:

https://www.discogs.com/Grouper-Water-People/master/878532

But yes, nice to see!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 February 2017 17:23 (two years ago) Permalink

ah yes

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 February 2017 18:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Nice! Water People is a fantastic song.

flappy bird, Friday, 3 February 2017 18:19 (two years ago) Permalink

two older releases on Spotify that I hadn't previously noticed - Violet Replacement part 1 and 2

Both one album length track

I am using your worlds, Friday, 3 February 2017 23:03 (two years ago) Permalink

i fell asleep to both of those (along w/ alien observer) every night for a year

flappy bird, Friday, 3 February 2017 23:05 (two years ago) Permalink

part of that was released on vinyl:

https://www.discogs.com/Grouper-Sleep-Fragment/release/3808592

so good

sleeve, Friday, 3 February 2017 23:06 (two years ago) Permalink

man i'd ruin a needle so quick with that one

flappy bird, Friday, 3 February 2017 23:07 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLsutIhq3_o

flappy bird, Friday, 19 May 2017 07:20 (one year ago) Permalink

she is playing here next month which is something i never really expected to happen and i am beyond excited

ufo, Friday, 19 May 2017 08:51 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0iL_7avQA

flappy bird, Monday, 19 June 2017 06:43 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://grouper.bandcamp.com/track/children

New Grouper! It's a Ruins outtake. All proceeds in the next 24 hours go towards the Silvia Rivera Law Center, Transgender Law Center and Trans Assistance Project

josh az (2011nostalgia), Friday, 4 August 2017 07:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Beautiful song

flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 16:25 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

just got an email from yellowelectric, there's a bunch of old inventory up on her bandcamp. i got the Alien Observer LP for $30, only 8 left!

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Good new interview

https://www.emilyelhaj.com/lovelionmusic/2017/09/interview-with-liz-harris-of-grouper.html

And she's playing here in SF in a couple of weeks.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:11 (one year ago) Permalink

whoa, i wonder what this is:

I recently licensed a song to a television show [you guys are going to flip].

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:16 (one year ago) Permalink

great interview btw, thanks for sharing ned

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:17 (one year ago) Permalink

What is your dream job outside of playing music?

My dream job is not performing music. Most of my job ideas are more non-paying adventures than careers. I took a career test in my twenties and remember “related to the spirituality or the occult/religious leader” and “sailor." I’ve followed through on “sailor” --- I love very much being on the water. I do sailing races on my friend’s boat every summer in Astoria and am looking into getting a small boat with an electric outboard to toot around the Columbia River.

I’d like to get a shit job on a container ship or find a sailboat to crew on and do a trans-oceanic voyage at some point before I die. I volunteer at a National Park here in Astoria. Basically, I just pick up trash and kick rocks off the trails but I get to wear a uniform and use a walkie-talkie which is about 80% of the pleasure if I’m entirely honest. I’d really like to drive in a car race or demolition derby. I’d like to be paid to walk around or hike. My month-long hiking trip in New Zealand two years ago definitely cost me money though so still some work to be done there I guess. So far, as paying jobs go -- I spent my 20’s working with differently abled adults and I miss it every day. I love care-work, with children, elders, animals, whomever. It feels challenging and rewarding in a straightforward way that music doesn’t.

nomar, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 18:03 (one year ago) Permalink

And she's playing here in SF in a couple of weeks.

I will be at early show. :)

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Same here!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:56 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm still deciding whether i'm going to the early show or the late show depending on if i want to catch JEANNE DIELMAN showing at BAMPFA that same evening

joshywinty (josh), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 23:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Go to both shows

flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:34 (one year ago) Permalink

okay, i chose the early show -- say hello if you see someone roughly 5'6 with a buzzed head

joshywinty (josh), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:27 (one year ago) Permalink

old items getting restocked is great and all but shit i got two email notifications from bandcamp on my phone today saying "New Items from Grouper" and each time I got super excited thinking a new single from a possible upcoming album was on it's way, but no :(

josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:37 (one year ago) Permalink

nothing on a new single and/or album (though she's doing a project that will be performed during this year's Unsound), but a very nice interview: https://lovelionmusic.blogspot.com/2017/09/interview-with-liz-harris-of-grouper.html

willem, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:29 (one year ago) Permalink

what i did get to hear of liz last night was lovely . . . but, dearest brooklyn scenesters, why would you go to a grouper show . . . and talk the whole way through it? ugh

― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:03 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read this post and immediately knew which show this was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQO3iISbSqA

fucking crowd sucks

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 06:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Same thing happened at DARK MOFO in Hobart until someone a few rows from the front turned around and bawled SHUT THE FUCK UP. I love Grouper irrationally, but I often listen to the music at overwhelming volume for the sensory overload feeling, and I was looking forward to being able to lose myself in the live performance. It was beautiful but I kept getting distracted by fuckheads more interested in themselves than the music they'd paid to see, and I couldn't help wishing for a little help from the stage. I understand what's special about a room of hushed people listening to soft music, but if I'm completely honest it feels a little wilful to play that quietly.

I'll get me coat.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:08 (one year ago) Permalink

I know, she plays very quietly. I saw her in a chapel at UVA two years ago that held 250 people, & even with a completely silent & reverential crowd, it was remarkably quiet in the back. I felt like I was straining to hear during the set.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:39 (one year ago) Permalink

when i saw her it was a perfect volume, loud & encompassing without being uncomfortable

ufo, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Thankfully the show the other day here was 1) fantastic 2) had a deathly quiet audience and we were all the happier for it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Did you recognize any of the material she played? Or was it all one lovely gauzy blur?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:12 (one year ago) Permalink

I definitely recognised things - maybe 2-3 songs - but often radically rearranged (e.g. Ruins material played as guitar ostinatos, recognised them from lyrics).

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:30 (one year ago) Permalink

also continuous, beautiful projected images behind the stage - thematically matched to what I think about her music, which is like hazy memories of beautiful songs.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:11 (one year ago) Permalink

she played "holding" from RUINS and "fishing bird" from DRAGGING A DEAD DEER

joshywinty (josh), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Fishing Bird???? whoa. that's pretty remarkable. was Holding the guitar arrangement? when I saw her 2 years ago, she opened with Alien Observer and played mostly Ruins stuff like Holding and Labyrinth (complete with microwave beep).

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:25 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XyJB1qq9zw&

flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 06:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I’ve always wondered are the dark circle under her eyes makeup or she doesn’t sleep that much? In some pictures they look natural but they keep changing size and then in others she doesn’t seem to have them at all.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 30 September 2017 09:19 (one year ago) Permalink

she did say that the Sleep piece was performed/recorded after a long period of sleeplessness. but i had a friend that had a similar thing, it’s genetic.

flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:08 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

her collaborator Paul Clipson has died. they did a lot of amazing work together.

vimeo.com/109943175

flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Paul Clipson - a criminally unsung luminary of the moving image - has died. His images, layers upon layers of light and energy and feeling has been an inspiration.
Very sad news. pic.twitter.com/3721ZHdLUg

— Scott Barley (@ScottBarleyFilm) February 5, 2018

flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:10 (one year ago) Permalink

RIP

when I saw her last year his work was projected above her and it was rather incredible

ufo, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Likewise, I'm sad that it took this loss for me to find out who'd made those beautiful images.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 12:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Hoping for a new album this year.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 02:19 (one year ago) Permalink

🙏🙏🙏

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 04:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Every time I see this thread pop up I pray that it's new Grouper music getting announced. Ruins was all the way back in 2014!

josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 04:58 (one year ago) Permalink

this all fits in my with my theory that everything that is good has been frozen in time (see stars of the lid)

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Didn't she say something at one point about being finished with the Grouper project? (Though before last year's seven inch, I think)

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:04 (one year ago) Permalink

It was in one magazine interview that I heard more talk about than the interview or even quote itself... but I do remember reading the exact quote. It wasn't entirely clear and was probably taken out of context and blown out of proportion and the whole "she's retiring Grouper" bit went thru a game of telephone. having said that, yeah, since 2014 she's only put out 3 songs: the Paradise Valley 7" (recorded in 2012), and "Children," an outtake from Ruins (recorded in 2011). So we haven't even heard anything recorded past 2012.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:08 (one year ago) Permalink

What year was Helen?

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:20 (one year ago) Permalink

single in 2012, album in 2015. but Helen isn't Grouper.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:21 (one year ago) Permalink

(gets off ass and Googles it)
right of course flappy, but it might count as "done with Grouper" - so the album came out in 2015 and was recorded across "several years" prior, thus I guess Helen is the most recent Liz Harris work out there?

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:23 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm optimistic she'll come out with something pretty soon. she's played several shows since last june, so it's not like she isn't active

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:38 (one year ago) Permalink

do you all know about Hypnosis Display, from 2014? it barely rung a bell, but it's mentioned on her CV (http://www.repeatingpattern.com/cv.html):

Music Commission- Commissioned by Leeds Opera North to collaborate with film-maker Paul Clipson on a 75 minute film and soundtrack entitled Hypnosis Display to be performed live this Summer in the UK.

the only mention in this thread is by schlump, but here's some quick stuff i tracked down (ie the top 2 google results):

11 minute excerpt: https://vimeo.com/109943175
https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2015/04/07/interview-grouper-and-paul-clipson-discuss-hypnosis-display/

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:43 (one year ago) Permalink

somehow i just totally missed all of that, whenever it happened

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:43 (one year ago) Permalink

this is her mural in portland:

https://i.imgur.com/c15q8X9.jpg

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:45 (one year ago) Permalink

hey i know where that is! i pass it fairly often and never knew it was harris' work, thanks karl!

Clay, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Oooh I thought Hypnosis Display was in 2012. I got it mixed up with Violet Replacement.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 06:07 (one year ago) Permalink

xxp man that is cool, thanks

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 15:09 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

New album in late April, Grid of Points. Enjoy a song from same:

https://soundcloud.com/kranky/grouper-parking-lot/s-1V3kb

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:04 (one year ago) Permalink

At last.

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:10 (one year ago) Permalink

x-post to ned - posted within 15 minutes of that track being uploaded - damn you're quick

the piano sounds wonderful

willem, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:12 (one year ago) Permalink

I keep an eye on things

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Gorgeous. Wonder if this is another piano centric album.

Evan, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

From the promo guff, Liz herself:

Grid Of Points is a set of songs for piano and voice. I wrote these songs over a week and a half; they stopped abruptly when I was interrupted by a high fever. Though brief, it is complete. The intimacy and abbreviation of this music allude to an essence that the songs lyrics speak more directly of. The space left after matter has departed, a stage after the characters have gone, the hollow of some central column, missing.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I love Ruins so I'm not complaining

Evan, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Not long after recording her 10th album, Ruins, Liz Harris traveled to Wyoming to work on art and record music. She found herself drawn towards the pairing of skeletal piano phrasing with spare, rich bursts of vocal harmony. A series of stark songs emerged, minimal and vulnerable, woven with emotive silences. Inspired by "the idea that something is missing or cold," the pieces float and fade like vignettes, implying as much as they reveal. She describes them as "small texts hanging in space," impressions of mortality, melody, and the unseen – fleeting beauty, interrupted. Grid Of Points stands as a concise and potently poetic addition to the Grouper catalog.

from Liz Harris:
Grid Of Points is a set of songs for piano and voice. I wrote these songs over a week and a half; they stopped abruptly when I was interrupted by a high fever. Though brief, it is complete. The intimacy and abbreviation of this music allude to an essence that the songs lyrics speak more directly of. The space left after matter has departed, a stage after the characters have gone, the hollow of some central column, missing.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:07 (one year ago) Permalink

Now I did post the second half of that. :-D

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Ha, sorry Ned, don’t know how I missed that. I’m waiting til I get home tonight to pre-order. Hopefully it’s not a 500 copy limited edition that’s already sold out

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:59 (one year ago) Permalink

The special edition is already sold out

I discreetly hope that one day Grouper does a faceplant and releases a real turd and all of us are shaking our fists at the $30 trash we all pre-ordered

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:40 (one year ago) Permalink

So this was recorded years ago too? "Not long after recording Ruins"... 2011? 2012?

I've listened to the song once & need to listen again but first impression: the chord progression is really similar to something on Ruins (either Call Across Rooms or the outtake released last year Children), and the vocals are much clearer and sit really high in the mix.

Very excited though

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't care for the new song! still excited tho

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:15 (one year ago) Permalink

mt eerie's last LP aside, ruins is the most devastating record of the past decade or however long... wasnt expecting more piano work. im so ready to get blue again.

meaulnes, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:57 (one year ago) Permalink

me too. but i'm disappointed this song is so similar to 'Call Across Rooms' and 'Children.' the idea of Grouper treading water musically makes me.... very anxious

flappy bird, Friday, 9 March 2018 18:27 (one year ago) Permalink

There is something very predictable about the way it moves melodically, but haven't taken the time to compare it to previous tracks. Wasn't sure if it was just me.

Evan, Friday, 9 March 2018 18:31 (one year ago) Permalink

no it's not, i've seen the same comments elsewhere. when i first played it i immediately recognized the chord progression from Call Across Rooms, and last night, compared the major key change to Children and yeah, it's like a mashup of those two songs.

flappy bird, Friday, 9 March 2018 18:41 (one year ago) Permalink

and again if the press release is accurate and doesn't confuse the recording of Ruins (2011) and its release (2014), then this album is at least 5 years old.

flappy bird, Friday, 9 March 2018 18:42 (one year ago) Permalink

the idea of Grouper treading water

thing is, this latest release was recorded just after ruins (so late 2011/early 2012 i guess?), so this is the sound of her reaching us 6 years later.

just for fun, if she recorded this 6 years ago, way off in space, and it traveled at the speed of sound toward us and we're just now hearing it, then she was 64,901,088 km, or 40,327,666 miles away.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 18:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Right, which is not an issue itself- Ruins was 3+ years old when we heard it and it's amazing. What I'm saying is that this sounds like an outtake or B-side, that because the album was recorded so shortly after Ruins, and with the same setup, it could be an album of exhausted material... tho she wrote & recorded it after Ruins, it's following similar & already traveled melodic paths. I loved Children when she put it out last year, but I can't connect to this song because it's so glaringly similar to two Ruins era songs.

flappy bird, Friday, 9 March 2018 18:52 (one year ago) Permalink

we'll have to wait and see i guess. i had similar fears about The Man Who Died In His Boat, because i thought it would just be a lesser version of Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill. which...actually, i'd say it technically is, but slightly, and i love both of them. hopefully grid of points will be similarly rewarding despite the outtakes/b-sides danger

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 19:01 (one year ago) Permalink

good point about The Man Who Died in His Boat, again it's the difference between good b-sides that have similar sonic palettes and b-sides that are made up of previously used melodies and harmonies. i mean listening to this new song, it's like trying to access a burnt out circuit. sure you could put "vital" or "living room" (maybe) on DDD, but they're not melodically similar to anything on that record.

flappy bird, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:06 (one year ago) Permalink

That just seems to be her process of the last decade or so, doesn't it? She records something and lets it sit for many years before she decides to release it.

I have a friend who is a photographer who works similarly. He shoots and shoots, but he lets a year or more go by before he actually develops the film. I think it puts a distance between him and his work that helps him see it more clearly. I wonder if it's something similar for Harris.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:55 (one year ago) Permalink

while this is bumped, has anyone heard the Raum album? I mean, it might be on streaming, but I'm curious

sleeve, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:56 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't listened to the Raum album in awhile but I remember liking it a lot. I discovered Jefre Cantu-Ledesma because of it. He's great too!

Evan, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:26 (one year ago) Permalink

That just seems to be her process of the last decade or so, doesn't it? She records something and lets it sit for many years before she decides to release it.

I have a friend who is a photographer who works similarly. He shoots and shoots, but he lets a year or more go by before he actually develops the film. I think it puts a distance between him and his work that helps him see it more clearly. I wonder if it's something similar for Harris.


Yeah again that’s not the issue I have. It’s the very noticeable similarity to two songs that makes the new one sound like a rewrite.

flappy bird, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:28 (one year ago) Permalink

And it’s not similar in the same way DDD or A|A blend together- it’s specific chord sequences and melodies from other songs.

flappy bird, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:29 (one year ago) Permalink

this new song sucked the air out of my lungs.

I really only know Ruins. Does she have a consensus "this is the one you need to hear" album, or is she one of those "they're all pretty good" kind of artists?

Evan R, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:38 (one year ago) Permalink

There are many times you'll see artists explore a theme, with small variations on the same idea. She's not a pop or rock artist so we probably don't have to hold her to those standards. Her music is more fit for a gallery, a place where you might see examples of this a lot. Nobody ought to be giving Barnett Newman too much shit for having done essentially the same thing over and over.

xp

Evan, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Fellow Evan please check out Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill. If you're anything like me, it's because we have the same name (but also you'll love it).

Evan, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:42 (one year ago) Permalink

the only dud is the Wide album imo, everything else is worthwhile but DDD and AIA/Alien Observer are my personal faves

sleeve, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Are you the same Evan who also voted for the same top Los Campesinos! song in that feature about the band last year? If so, then were are indeed very, very (almost eerily) alike.

But I'll check out Dragging a Dead Deer either way, thanks!

Evan R, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Unless I've totally forgotten I did that, there must be a third Evan running around! Either way, enjoy!

Evan, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Does she have a consensus "this is the one you need to hear" album

i think DDD is probably the consensus pick, still, even though you could make arguments for others being better in different ways. but DDD is an outstanding gateway album to her work, and it's hard for me to imagine someone NOT liking it if they like the rest of her work (whereas i really like AIA but i could see someone not liking that while still liking DDD a lot)

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 22:41 (one year ago) Permalink

A|A Dream Loss / Alien Observer is her masterpiece imo, other than DDD that’s the one most highly regarded. Alien Observer in particular.

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 March 2018 01:41 (one year ago) Permalink

/ Does she have a consensus "this is the one you need to hear" album/

i think DDD is probably the consensus pick, still, even though you could make arguments for others being better in different ways. but DDD is an outstanding gateway album to her work, and it's hard for me to imagine someone NOT liking it if they like the rest of her work (whereas i really like AIA but i could see someone not liking that while still liking DDD a lot)


Yeah I think the dividing line is whether you prefer acoustic guitar or blitzed out organ / rhodes / wurlitzer. Alien Observer is the more song-y one of the two, I think anyone that likes DDD will like Alien Observer.

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 March 2018 01:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Me I'm trying to find reasons to keep anything prior to DDD on my hard drive.. I don't ever find a place for those records in my life

Also I think "Clearing" is her best song but Ruins is a very weak album

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 10 March 2018 14:33 (one year ago) Permalink

i think ruins is fine but it seems worse in the context of her work bc it really lacks the sense of drift she usually nails

lowercase (eric), Saturday, 10 March 2018 15:15 (one year ago) Permalink

I like the new song. I agree that it sounds similar to some of her other ones but this doesn't bother me. There's different stuff in there also. Sometimes I like artists that have a strong central focus to their work and then explore lots of subtle variations of those ideas. Grouper is a bit like this, William Basinski is like this also. In a completely different idiom, I think Howlin Wolf is like that as well, all are artists I like a lot.

mirostones, Saturday, 10 March 2018 18:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Imma rep for Way Their Crept here, too. I'd have it over Alien Observer and Ruins all day long.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Hear Grouper's stunning headlining set at @LEGUESSWHO last fall, featuring new songs and the late Paul Clipson. https://t.co/LqJmRILRfQ

— FACT (@FACTmag) March 14, 2018

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 18:13 (one year ago) Permalink

this really is stunning, and a great setlist:

thanksgiving song
field recording 1
cover the windows and the walls
field recording 2
no one (four of cups)
fishing bird (empty gutted in the evening breeze)
field recording 3
i saw a ray

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 18:17 (one year ago) Permalink

jesus, when the distortion comes in on 'i saw a ray'

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 18:20 (one year ago) Permalink

page not found?

sleeve, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 22:04 (one year ago) Permalink

shit it looks like it got pulled? i can't find the set on soundcloud either. it's gotta be a technical issue or something, Liz Harris was quoted in the brief piece saying that she doesn't usually like listening to her own live recordings but that this one was an exception. i'll post it if i find it or they update the page.

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:04 (one year ago) Permalink

https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?visual=true&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Fplaylists%2F460766655&show_artwork=true&dnt=1&secret_token=s-tHR28

here it is. this seems like the same setlist she did when i saw her last year, nice to find out what most of the songs were

ufo, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Oooh sorry for my dumb opinion, I relistened and realized I just don't like "Way Their Crept" on earbuds

Which was how I last listened to it

It's OK, it's pretty good-- Wide is amazing tho, especially the last track-- Cover The Windows is so wild also-- renewed fandom

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 15 March 2018 14:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Close Cloak is the standout track for me.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 15 March 2018 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Btd9qL68A

flappy bird, Saturday, 24 March 2018 06:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

another new song, "driving": https://www.stereogum.com/1989713/grouper-driving/music/

flappy bird, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:21 (eleven months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Thanks for that link @ufo

Thanksgiving Song is amazing.

plazzTT, Friday, 20 April 2018 21:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

comparing track lengths on the Grid of Points iTunes page + the length of that live recording, Thanksgiving Song is likely half-mislabeled - the second half is a guitar arrangement of Holding from Ruins.

flappy bird, Friday, 20 April 2018 23:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

also I can't believe this record comes out in a week. I keep forgetting about it.

flappy bird, Friday, 20 April 2018 23:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

Today's resident advisor podcast is mixed by Grouper

https://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=621

I am using your worlds, Monday, 23 April 2018 05:10 (ten months ago) Permalink

just put on her boiler room set

flappy bird, Monday, 23 April 2018 05:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

Good timing thank you for the link

flappy bird, Monday, 23 April 2018 05:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

She was also on NTS a couple of weeks ago

https://www.nts.live/shows/kranky/episodes/kranky-w-grouper-12th-april-2018

toby, Monday, 23 April 2018 06:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

"Tae Keening" <3 <3 <3

sleeve, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 00:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

really great mix, thank you

sleeve, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 00:54 (ten months ago) Permalink

the new album is pleasant but very short - only 20 minutes. it's basically just Ruins 2 as expected. i hope she has more like Paradise Valley in the vault, Headache is the greatest

ufo, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 03:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

'Grid of Points' vinyl alert! Don't know how many lp's are pressed but I'm guessing not a lot, going off her previous lp's.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

first listen to GRID OF POINTS tonight from a soulseek leak. melodies seem neither here nor there, vague. midrange a little harsh at some points. the whole thing feels too brief to really settle into - not quite rushed, but not paced, either. i thought 'ruins' was grouper's best work, that record really stands alone for me -- the environment feels very immersive, like old erics trip records or something. whereas the piano is so animate and vocal on 'ruins', the recording of 'grid' just feels a little too distant, floaty, indefinite. the reverb almost feels like an obstruction at times. at any rate, i didn't want another 'ruins', and that it very much isn't. maybe it's a grower. standout track would have to be 'blouse'.

meaulnes, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

FTR, and contrarily: though i think that the hemming and hawing holds 'grid of points' back in places, i feel that ethereal, gossamer fragility/femininity is such a rare quality/sonic palette that very few contemporary artists exhibit. see also emily haines' two solo records for piano/vox. please more softness forever

meaulnes, Thursday, 26 April 2018 02:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ruins really is such a stunning work. so OTM about how immersive it is, the quality of the recording and how the piano, her voice, and the environment sound. I know I complained a lot about familiar melodies in the promo songs upthread, but I was also immediately put off by the way everything sounded. Whatever, any new Grouper music is good. But right now, in a sleep deprived daze, about to go to bed, Ruins is the best thing in the world.

flappy bird, Thursday, 26 April 2018 04:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

beep

flappy bird, Thursday, 26 April 2018 04:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

lol

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 April 2018 04:39 (ten months ago) Permalink

it's ALL about the microwave

startled macropod (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 April 2018 07:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

https://pitchfork.com/features/profile/groupers-liz-harris-explains-the-art-of-the-paradox-and-the-beauty-of-mistakes/

this is a great piece

interesting (but not surprising) that she has so many unrecorded songs and that she's learning lap-steel guitar

ufo, Friday, 27 April 2018 06:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

so, about 5 minutes into my first listen, i realized that perhaps i should be playing it at 45 instead of 33! starting over at normal speed now. :D

i have to say...i know the slowed-down thing is kind of gimmicky, but seriously - i was enjoying the slower, pitched-down version! knife-like vocals

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 April 2018 17:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

there's no sort of indication on the record or sleeve that it should be played at 45, so i'm guessing a lot of people are having a similar experience right around now

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 April 2018 17:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

playing it at 33 makes it a 28-minute album

i will need to give this more listens. at it's proper speed, it's 21 minutes and it does fly by rather quickly. 'birthday song' stuck out on first listen.

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 April 2018 17:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

y'all heard Quiet Eyes? from a 2008 ambient comp. never heard it before last night. so beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBk05B2JKBI

flappy bird, Monday, 30 April 2018 01:33 (ten months ago) Permalink

Wow, that's gorgeous.

Would love another Helen LP at some point...

J. Sam, Monday, 30 April 2018 01:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

https://www.allmusic.com/album/dragging-a-dead-deer-up-a-hill-mw0001233331

This might be old news but I just realized that Dragging a Dead Deer up a Hill got upgraded to a 5-star rating on Allmusic!

josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 30 April 2018 07:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

anyone else listening to grid of points?

still struggling to find a way into it, tbh.

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 April 2018 15:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

after a couple listens there are kinda bright spots in the murk but it might take a little while to really put it together. the length is part of the problem imo, as soon as i settle into the vibe the train sounds start and it's over.

adam, Monday, 30 April 2018 15:46 (ten months ago) Permalink

got Grid of Points and have listened all the way thru maybe a dozen times now. i love the bookends - acapella stacked harmonies / flanging train. i like the previously released songs much more in the context of the record. all of the songs are beautiful. but it isn't much more than a companion piece to Ruins, which is fine. it just isn't long enough, also while the songs are great none of them come close to anything on Ruins. if anything Grid of Points reinforces what a masterpiece Ruins is.

flappy bird, Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

anyone recognize the first song here? sounds new to me. similar to headache / i'm clean now but slightly faster. maybe from that batch of material. i saw her a month before this show and she definitely didn't play this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF32TA4WUJQ

flappy bird, Saturday, 23 June 2018 04:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

the yt comments claim it's an unreleased song titled California

ufo, Saturday, 23 June 2018 05:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Ok, I finally listened to the rest of the songs for the first time, and yes, they're all great. Not enough have just straight up said "What a graceful voice", and they should. This is peaceful death music, I love it.

I predict I will post about this again on August 3rd of this year, because that's the day I finally get back home. And when I arrive, there's going to be a small pile of her records because I'm going to have to drunkenly order a good half of those LPs and EPs Milton just mentioned. Not the Xiu Xiu one, though.

― Z S, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:26 AM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flappy bird, Friday, 3 August 2018 05:07 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Seeing her next week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgkmnOXc0g

flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 06:31 (six months ago) Permalink

NY folks please please please go to her 9/12 and 9/17 shows. I think only one of them is sold out. Show in Philly tonight was fantastic. Opened with The Races -> Alien Observer, lots of new stuff, some songs from Grid of Points, DDD, Ruins, and what I'm pretty sure was Cover the Windows and the Walls but with completely different lyrics. The train whistle is the new microwave beep.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 05:31 (six months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcp3H93CXVw

flappy bird, Saturday, 15 September 2018 05:22 (six months ago) Permalink

and what I'm pretty sure was Cover the Windows and the Walls but with completely different lyrics.

"One song to the tune of another"?

sbahnhof, Sunday, 23 September 2018 04:32 (five months ago) Permalink

Listening to the recording it is actually CTWATW

flappy bird, Sunday, 23 September 2018 04:45 (five months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Speaking from the other side of the world, Grid of Points is absolutely beautiful music for Christmas morning.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 24 December 2018 20:34 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

New album! Under a new project name -- Nivhek.

https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/after-its-own-death-walking-in-a-spiral-towards-the-house

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:02 (one month ago) Permalink

whaaa

sleeve, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:03 (one month ago) Permalink

“Crying Jar” features Michael Morley, Gabie Strong, and Christopher Reid Martin.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Per the PR guff:

Opaque assemblages of Mellotron, guitar, field recordings, tapes, and broken FX pedals by Pacific Northwest musician Liz Harris, created during and after two contrasting residencies in the Azores, Portugal and Murmansk, Russia, combined with pieces made at home in Astoria, Oregon.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:07 (one month ago) Permalink

can't waaaaaait to get home from work today!

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:13 (one month ago) Permalink

i love how the track lengths go down to milliseconds

0 - 7:48:544 Cloudmouth
7:48:544 - 8:19:489 blue room
8:17:503 - 11:27:011 Night-walking
11:27:011 -16:41:254 Funeral song
16:41:254 - 26:00:991 Thirteen (version)
26:00:991 - 28:39:125 Crying jar
28:39:125 - 29:29:394 Entry
29:29:394 - 37:33:056 Walking in a spiral towards the house
37:30:846 - end Weightless

Walking in a spiral towards the house

0 - 3:14:509 Night-walking
3:14:509 - 8:37:153 Funeral song
8:37:153 - 12:59:510 Thirteen
12:59:510 - end Walking in a spiral towards the house

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:14 (one month ago) Permalink

also very interesting how the "nightwalking>funeral song>thirteen" sequence is repeated twice (once per LP)

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:16 (one month ago) Permalink

Damn!

flappy bird, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:26 (one month ago) Permalink

can't waaaaaait to get home from work today!

― Karl Malone

otm, although I have a record show to hit first so this will have to wait a bit

sound amazing!

sleeve, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Ordered the double LP sight unseen / sound unheard. Can't wait.

flappy bird, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:49 (one month ago) Permalink

has no one else listened to it yet? of all days where i had to stay 3 hours late at work...

putting it on (aka 'clicking the bandcamp button') now!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:32 (one month ago) Permalink

also i just remembered that i'm seeing her play next week (for the first time), so hopefully i'll be able to pick this up at the show!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:36 (one month ago) Permalink

this is very ambient even by her standards, only "Cloudmouth" really resembles her usual work

not really sure what the intention is for Walking In A Spiral Towards the House to be mostly repeats of tracks from After Its Own Death, only track that isn't is the alternate version of "Thirteen"

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:41 (one month ago) Permalink

i haven't made it to the second LP yet, but i was assuming they'd be different versions of the tracks that appeared on the first LP? i'm really enjoying the vibraphones on 'night-walking' and 'funeral song' so far.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:43 (one month ago) Permalink

they're all the same except "thirteen" which swaps out the guitars on the first LP's version for more of the vibraphones that are everywhere else

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:49 (one month ago) Permalink

oh, bummer! well, i'll cross that road when i get to it (in about 20 minutes)

sounds like you weren't a fan of it, overall? i have to say, i'm really really enjoying the first side of LP1, but i also like super ambient stuff.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:54 (one month ago) Permalink

but yeah, i could understand the criticism that it's just a bunch of super reverbed out vibraphones. it is that, a lot of the time. i must admit that i played percussion in middle/high school, and i always really enjoyed my time after school, by myself, just holding down the vibraphone pedal and playing lots of chords in a row. i would do that for a really long time, just playing chords and listening to them slowly dissipate. a lot of this kind of brings me back into that happy zone, but it probably wouldn't have that effect on everyone

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:57 (one month ago) Permalink

i think it'll be pretty nice music to fall asleep to but nothing much more than that for me. the second LP being mostly a condensed version of the first is a weird choice but looking as it as "two slightly different versions of the same thing" rather than "one album across two LPs" is how i'm trying to understand it

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:04 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, i'm listening to the second LP now and i see what you mean. it's kinda weird, because even if i end up preferring the versions of the songs which appear on the second LP, they appear without the context of the other songs that appear on the first LP, which i also enjoy.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:19 (one month ago) Permalink

re: it being more ambient than her usual work - how close is it to Dream Loss? I ordered the record and am going to wait to listen.

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:33 (one month ago) Permalink

"Cloudmouth" is pretty similar to Dream Loss but a pretty significant part of the album is indeed a lot of super reverbed out vibraphones, without her usual vocals.

I think the "Thirteen" on the second LP might just be a fragment of the longer version on the first? the second LP seems to just collect all the echoey vibraphone tracks together in one place

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:49 (one month ago) Permalink

that's an interesting comparison to make...

it's less distorted than dream loss, more clear, less reverb and echo. the instrumentation is much more limited - most of it is just vibraphones, with occasional guitar. there's not much singing on it, other than the first track and a few seconds at the very end. the tracks run together, so it pretty much plays as one long piece (repeated in abridged form on the second LP). i think it's more ambient in the eno sense of blending into the background. i need to listen to it again, obviously, but i can already imagine that i will play it as music for writing or making stuff.

xp

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:52 (one month ago) Permalink

sounds cool! very curious about her working with vibraphones

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:52 (one month ago) Permalink

i guess, yeah, it is super reverbed out vibraphones. but dream loss (and so much of grouper's music) is SUPER reverbed out, so it seems more direct and clear to me in comparison.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:54 (one month ago) Permalink

anyone recognize this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBE08ybWZ_U

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:15 (one month ago) Permalink

new helen when

J. Sam, Saturday, 9 February 2019 22:19 (one month ago) Permalink

wow flappy, that song is gorgeous. sounds kind of like "Water People" but darker

J. Sam, Saturday, 9 February 2019 22:23 (one month ago) Permalink

I was at that (incredibly excellent) show. Not my video; glad someone got it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 February 2019 22:28 (one month ago) Permalink

I had to stop listening to Grouper when I realized how many creeps there are out there whose entire personality consists of “listens to Grouper”

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:51 (one month ago) Permalink

I have yet to meet a Grouper groupie

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:57 (one month ago) Permalink

You are fortunate

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:59 (one month ago) Permalink

lol. they can't all be bad

calumy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Only takes a couple to really spoil it! That said, this new album is refreshing in its pivot away from obscurantism-- "Grid Of Points" made me wonder if she was gradually moving toward entire albums of untouched, unprocessed single-take field recordings. Not the case! I don't know if I like this Nivhek thing more or less than the more clouded stuff but it's definitely good good good

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:12 (one month ago) Permalink

the Helen album is really good

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Love the Helen album as much as the late 80s early 90s indie pop it resembles

Evan, Monday, 11 February 2019 01:10 (one month ago) Permalink

always happy to have new music from Liz but i hope someday we get a new Mirrorring album

alpine static, Monday, 11 February 2019 02:18 (one month ago) Permalink

First listen and I'm IN in a big way.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

anyone know the set time for Friday’s show. billed as an afterparty, but doors at 7:30?

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:44 (one month ago) Permalink

oh this new one is excellent.

calzino, Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:51 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

....... this is tight
damn

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:08 (one week ago) Permalink

I keep forgetting I'm listening to Grouper because I'm not

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:08 (one week ago) Permalink

the show in chicago a few weeks ago, at the athletic association, was so, so good. first time i saw her play live. i went in expecting a great show and was still still unexpectedly blown away. she played a new song, an acoustic/reverb one in line with D a D D up a H, that i'm guessing flappy b referenced or posted above somewhere, that was on par with the best of her work

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:20 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm glad I listened to the black record first. the white record, the 45rpm one, feels like a bonus disc at best but is it the one that's sequenced first in the digital? there are no markings on the LP at all, not even in the runoff grooves (besides her usual aphorisms).

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 March 2019 22:07 (one week ago) Permalink

Hey the vinyl is back on the bandcamp for those that missed it:

https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/after-its-own-death-walking-in-a-spiral-towards-the-house

Evan, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:35 (five days ago) Permalink


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