commendation for outstanding service to human race: resident advisor

The Simon Baker one is painfully good, especially the first half to two thirds - the My My remixes are amazing! So slippery and squirmy. The second half is a fair bit dryer but still good - love the vocal on Ambivalent's "R U OK?," a totally sinister robo-sleaze who first helps out someone off their heads on drugs at a party, and then seduces them. It's like Aaron Carl doing a version of "One In Night in NYC",

The whole thing is very shapely and totally devoted to exploring a particular point where minimal and house converge - it's almost more like Jay Haze, My My and Tobi Neumann making a live set together than a DJ mix.

Tracklisting:

1/ Dj Cocoe - Webale feat Mukwanda(Fuckpony Dub)(Immigrant)
2/ Ludwig Coenen – Curtain Gap (Immigrant)
3/ Motor City Soul – Kazan (MyMy Mix) (Aus Music)
4/ Luna City Express – Absent Minded6 (Aerobic Studio)
5/ Simon Baker – The Fly (MyMy Mix) (Connaiseur)
6/ Jamie Jones – Harajuka (Cocoon)
7/ Onur Ozur – Orion (Vacant)
8/ Martin Eyerer/Toni Rios – Liberacion(Kickboxer)
9/ Elon – Tamingo (Infant)
10/ Reagen – Bugbite (Marcin Czubala Mix) (Leftroom)
12/ Ambivalent – R U OK (M_nus)
13/ Brett Johnson/Dj Heather – Everythings Electric(Mike Shannon dub) (2020 Vision)
14/ Simon Baker – Jitters (Playhouse)
15/ Kerri Chandler – The Invaders (The Panic) (Deeply Rooted House)

"Motor City Soul - Kazan (MyMy Mix) (Aus Music)"

This is now officially the best piece of music ever made.

??

it's........ALRIGHT. I was a little disappointed by it to be honest, sounds like 20/20 Vision style UK house.

Er, it is the track with all the insane synths in, right?

I dunno, I'm just trying to guess from what sounds like the order of tracks on the podcast.

Or are you talking about the podcast as a whole?

i'm not really sure what ronan likes these days ... it's been a while since 've seen him write anything positive on ILM!

i think the mix is sorta dry too but i felt the same way about ripperton and i think he *liked* that one.

i guess i just can't deal w/o vocals anymore.

I thought it was pretty dry as well and got tired of it fairly quickly. Funny he ends it with that Kerry Chandler track - it's such a partystarter.

I'm surprised! This stuff sounds very wet and fluid to me.

I didn't mean the mix, I meant the My My track specifically, which I don't think is crap or anything (played it last night to see, very early on), just found it weird Tim thought it was so good.

i'm not really sure what ronan likes these days ... it's been a while since 've seen him write anything positive on ILM!

that's not quite true, but I praise lots of stuff on the minimal threads. I do save a bit of praise for my blog so I have stuff to write about but I am pretty sure I have praised lots of stuff recently.

anyway things are pretty bad mostly so maybe my criticism is more jaded than usual!

Things = life or things = music?

If the latter, what developments have annoyed you Ronan?

Ronan does my description match the My My remix, it's sort of this glass cathedral of synth chords around a restless Tuning Spork-ish beat.

Actually what I like about the first forty minutes or so of this mix is that it's like a more melodic version of a Jay Haze mix.

Oh, life! Music is the one escape!

The last month in particular has been really good. I played for 3 hours last night and it was mostly stuff from the last couple of weeks eg the new Misstress Barbara is absolutely brilliant, Kiki's new Bpitch Control is the best thing he's ever done IMO, those Ink and Needle records, Feuervogel, Redshape's "Steam", Audion's "Noiser" obviously, the new Plasmik on Connaisseur.

As for that My My remix, it's very very "disco" to me, really kind of stomping and funky. I thought it was pretty cool but strayed a bit too close to Spirit Catcher or that sort of electronic disco house vibe for me.

Stomping and funky is good of course, it's a good track just not exactly like what my favourite stuff is at the moment.

sebo K ... yessssssssssss

Downloading now. Also: Sebo K is hot.

this has Josh One-Contemplation (King Britt Funk Mix) on it! haha whoa...was thinking that track was due a comeback.

this is good :)

I really like the third track, heard it on another set recently.

Woah... deep...

Esp. this section:

10. Kevin Gorman – Black & White (Alex Under Remix)
11. Dennis Ferrer - Transitions
12. Matthias Tanzmann - Nip Slip
13. Marco Resmann - Gouache

I like how Tanzmann and Resmann (both Moon Harbour/Mobilee folx) have both gone all detroit synth pattern whore, and sebo k plays them together just to make the point. It's like he's calling them out, but in a good way. It was sort of his idea in the beginning anyways.

This mix is pretty the Bible for deep/minimal.

pretty much I mean

lots of "wtf this suxx why he get paid to dj ever" on the RA messageboard about it, but the riton one is fun. yes, the orgasmic woman bit is a bit of a groaner, but the rest is a trip. it passed the walking-around-the-woods-in-the-early-morn-whilst-stoned test while camping recently and passed with flying colors. i'd love to know what some of the krautrocky stuff is on there. only tunes i really recognize are vangelis and telex.

anyone else heard? i'll post a link if anyone cares to have a listen.

http://mnmlbeats.wordpress.com/tag/ra-mixe/

Archive ^^^

The Amé one is yoga flame for all time and is making me wish they were playing off-Sónar rather than at the shitty thing that I'm not going to :'-(

riton RA

jim, it's only Frank that's playing the main sonar. The RA mix is Kristian. He refused to play at Sonar because they were getting paid peanuts, even though they're getting 20,000 people through the door. fair enough too.

The new Stefan Goldmann track, "Aurora", on the Stefan Goldmann mix, is so great - really shimmery. I love his sound, it's like if deep house took all its cues from Isolee and Joakim and James Holden. And it's so distinct and immediately recognisable too! Or is that just because this track is like the perfect midpoint between "Sleepy Hollow" and his remix of "Women In Toilet"?? Could he become the classy housey Bodzin?

The Amé is whoa

can someone up the ame mix plz? it doesn't seem to be on that site anymore

i think there are way too many mindless minimal bobbins mixes in this series, though.

is there anything even worth listening to twice out of the first 20? it didn't really get good until around #40 (except for maurice #21) and even then, it's been around 50/50 so far. not quite as good as fabric, in my estimation.

oh well, it's free.

whats the song 47-48 mins into the Ame

can someone up the ame mix plz? it doesn't seem to be on that site anymore

-- creme1, Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:09 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

its still up

has no one else listened to the efdemin? is vry vry gooood.

I downloaded it but did no work today so listened to no Efdemin.

it is super sweet hre is tracklisting (i is drnk):

1. KSoul + Ra.H - Turning Poing (sistrum)
2. DJ Jus Ed - Don´t stop Da Da (jus-ed recordings)
3. Manoo - Kodjo (Deeply Rooted House)
4. Raw Artistic Soul ft. Ursula Rucker - The Light (Karizma Deepa 1Ne Dub, Raw Artistic Soul)
5. Cassy - Somelightuntothenight (Beatstreet)
6. Sascha Dive - Deep In Rhythm (Deep Vibes Recordings)
7. DJ Dennis - I love to watch U dance (DJ Buck Remix) (force of nature)
8. Eddie Fowlkes - Save Message Remix (Cityboymusic)
9. Rennie Foster - Monochasm (xplormusic)
10. G-Man - Sparticus (Styrax Leaves)
11. Djinxx - No color man (F...U! Fcom)
12. Tobias - Dial (logistic)
13. Minimal Man - Make a move pt.1 (trelik)
14. Disko 3000 - Sabu Sabu Rugged Mix (body to body)
15. Shakleton - Blood on my hands, Ricardo Villalobos Apocalypso Now Mix (Skull Disco)
16. Petre Inspirescu - de bou (a:rpia:r)
17. Keith Worthy - Deep For Dayz (Sistrum)
18. Brendon Moeller - Pink Noise (Third ear)
19. Ferrer& Sydenham Inc. - The Back Door (Ibadan)
20. Tiger Stripes - Hooked (Liebe*Detail)
21. DJ Koze - All The Time (Philpot)
22. Andy Stott - Massacre (Modern Love)

i mean fuckin christ, it's like one of the best bridges between new deep house and new techno i've heard yet, in a mix.

I left my ipod in Spain, but 50 euros later (!) it arrived in the post yesterday and I now have 6 of these to listen to. Where to start?

The last one I heard was the Riton one, which I really liked too, (apart from the spoken word bit about musique concrete, which struck me as pretentious in a really bad way - he's not really in that league!)

Anyone got a tracklist for the first half of that?

yeah i'd love a tracklist of that one, too. I recognize some (La Düsseldorf, Telex, Eno & Byrne) but most I don't. I'd really like to know that first track's ID - a brilliant motorik-driven glam song.

the first track's gotta be neu! or harmonia, right? i don't have those at hand to ID the track but it sounds an awful lot like "fur immer" period neu!

Don't think so, I'd definately recognize Neu! And I don't think it's Harmonia either, not unless they released more than the two albums I know... Like I said, this track has a touch of glamrock (Roxy meets Neu! in a way) that I've never heard from them (though it could be argued that Dinger injected a bit of it on Viva).

is there anything even worth listening to twice out of the first 20?

ive listened to #2 (pig & dan) and #10 (serge santiago) a bunch of times!

my fave is probably #43 but then im a bit of a bodzin fanboy ^_^

Kiki's was #5 I think. Definately liked it a lot.

Efdemin's mix is ace!

The Troy & Pierce one was actually the best minus-y thing I'd heard, but I haven't listened it to a while so I'd have to go back and check.

Efdemin was really great, over an hour and 45 minutes of it too :)

All podcasts are available atthis site and by the fact that theres #58 (accredited to Guy Gerber by the way) up before Resident Advisor makes it pretty consistent, hmmn.

This Joris Voorn mix is stupendous with its swirling emo summer love. And weird ambient breakdowns! So cool!

yeah I was about to revive this thread to say the same thing! It's totally my dream mix of spooky deep house non-stop!

i thought maurice fulton's mix from last year was bleeding amazing but because it wasn't techy it got unfairly ignored

couldnt get into voorn excpet for the ambient bits. pwog ftw!

the ben klock mix, on the other hand, is killing me. probably too chugging and monochrome (not -tone) for most people though.

the ben klock mix is incredible, maybe even the best of 07

(best resident advisor mix i mean)

the carl craig siobhán donaghy track as the third tune or whatever really bugged me about the ben klock. but that's a kneejerk complaint I know.

The fact that he looks just like the techno version Henry Rollins bothers me; And while I'm getting eager to listen to it, an am a Klock fan, I've become skeptical as to how much I can actually enjoy it. Because of that, and the rather intimidating description RA wrote that makes it sound like the mix is full of harsh, aggressive, banging techno (which only makes him seem more like Henry Rollins)- although the bits I've skimmed through make it seem more easy going, and uhhh pretty good.

it's not harsh - it's more loopy and repetitive I think. if you're a fan of that downstairs Berghain style it will suit.

this week's samim mix is fantastic!

indeed!!! konono no. 1!!! such a don

http://www.robidog.com/podcast/residentadvisor/

yup this samim mix is really nice

I'm with ☪ and creme1 here, the Klock mix is fantastic.

I'm not quite sure... you need some bloody stamina to get right through it in one go!

hi hector

no this Klock mix is damn good, wish it was a bit more pacier (a lot of highs, but a lot of slack periods too) or something, it's SO nice to hear a mix that really sounds like it's trying to make every thump & echo & reverberation count though. it must be hard to do 'cos I don't get that feeling from enough mixes really...

yeah, what you said.

the ron trent mix this week is sublime.

sounds like bog-standard deep house fare to me :\

lol like you know about any fare of it -but thanks for ending the unbearable suspense, I'll bet people were willing to give an arm to hear your pov on that one! And I'll be sure to come here & post about every upcoming minimal mix on RA ("sounds like bog-standard dub&drugs-influenced nerdy sound design to me")

wow ron trent!!

hmmm i wonder what "altered states" was influenced by ;-)

why did I even bother, his comment actually reads like a straightforward admission of ignorance at the expense of something he has no interest in.

the ron trent is fucking sublime. definitely RA's best podcast of the summer.

just got to 50' and the ...B-52's song? some bog-standard deep house band they were. sheesh people be making fools of theyself w/out even listening.

give em enough rope

And I'll be sure to come here & post about every upcoming minimal mix on RA

yeah youve never unfairly lambasted minimal on ilm before. im sorry if i besmirched your favourite dance music style dude

all minimal lambasting is thoroughly fair

ron trent1!!!!!!!!!!

anyway -- fezaffe likes stephen bodzin not minimal, get your target right (pretty big target too, hard to miss)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k75/Mike_Kamp/bodzin.jpg
"in the moog for love"

The Ron Trent is really nice. That Joris Voorn house / ambient mix a few RA's back really whetted my appetite for more house. And a few mixes (like the Jeremy Caulfield) really made me wonder where the quirkiness and fun that *can* inhabit minimal stuff (Marcus Nikolai style) had gone.

WOAH MINIMAL FITE.

stephan bodzin is not minimal-- but he has done some amazing stuff in the past year or two. sometimes his sound is so fucking huge and bombastic that i can't help but lose myself in it. HIS mix for RA is really good, even if a lot of it is his stuff. i remember not having heard 'liebe ist' before and shitting myself listening to its inclusion in that mix.

anyway, let's ignore the thread title here and talk about the stinkers. imo, tim sweeney (good tunes bad mixing), future loop (meh) and radioclit (perhaps the name turned me off enough, but i didn't like what i listened to).

Oh Ripperton mix, how could I have doubted you?

i thought the mixing on the sweeney one was pretty good, considering how it leapt around all over ths shop!

Tim Sweeney's mix was great! Holy Ghost! Colonel Abrams! Lee Douglas!

It's up there with Maurice Fulton and Efdemin (and Ron Trent, although I'm only on my first listen) as the best in the series for me.

My favourites are Dixon and Sebo K. I remember the Ewan Pearson one being awesome as well but I lost the CD I burnt of it.

My favourites are Redshape, Pearson and Dixon but I'm rather behind now.

I forgot Heidi!

Okay so POX:

Dixon
Sebo K
Heidi
Ewan Pearson (I think?)
My My
M.A.N.D.Y.
Redshape
Henrik Schwarz
Efdemin
Maurice Fulton

No Alex Smoke love?

The standout dissapointment for me so far is Ame. Totally boring and predictable mix.

The Alex Smoke is good yeah! I really like the early downtempo track with female vocals and the junglistic bass hits.

The Efdemin is the best by miles and miles...brilliant mix.

Deadbeat! My goodness, now you've done it resident advisor! I can't wait to listen to this.

btw, Mehlt, I've listened to your Frank Booth mix about 8 times at work, and it's terrific. That track with the pitched down voice talking about (erm, looking for Suzie or something - sorry, don't have it in front of me) is brilliant As is that Ewan Pearson remix towards the end. Thanks!

Wow, thanks a lot! (That track is "Lady Judy" by Fuckpony by the way)Glad you like it.

the deadbeat's great

prins thomas downloading right now. looks like it's a long one!

HA! Earlier today, bored in class or whatever I was thinking about Prins Thomas, and how I saw him like 3 and a half weeks ago, and how interesting it would be to get a recorded version of that set. Today, I check resident advisor, BAM! it's that very set.

It's a good one by the way.

yeah. i love how live it is, with the cheering and all

Oh God, you actually hear that asshole that was next to me yelling "Boh Boh Boh" Which is like the third time at that bar I've been forced to endure his Junglist hootings and hollerings which generally last the entire time.

fuck that guy

A bit of a quiet achiever podcast for me has been Dan Curtin's. His set and Luciano's Siloclub set really sum up the 2007 deep-house-from-minimal vibe for me.

The Brendon Moeller is excellent. Between that and that other mix of his recently released on the internet, the man is a very very good DJ.

that maurice fulton was good getting down music XD

Did any other RA mix come close to Dixon's this year? If so, spill.

My favourites were Dixon, Sebo K and Dan Curtin. All three of them then released inferior official mix-cds (although the Dixon especially is worth getting if you're not familiar with the amazing alternate tracks used - Chromatics' "In The City", the Henrik Schwarz remix of "Vuoi Vuoi Me" and the Stefan Goldmann remix of IT's "Women In Toilet")

really feeling this Brendon Moeller one. Underworld (080) is on the site but not iTunes yet, that'll be interesting once it comes through.

god dixon is shit.

Ha ha I bought that second hand! Yeah it's not very good for the most part. But that doesn't change how good is RA set is!

I got a promo of that when it came out. I was very amused by the press release, which detailed how the mix was officially sanctioned by yoga centers to be played during Yoga classes, and how the music complements the shapes your body makes, etc.

complements a squatting posture nicely

Rimjob

I mean rimshot

anyone listened to the UNDERWORLD podcast yet? it looks pretty tasty:

01. Martin Buttrich - Hunted - Cocoon
02. Etienne Jaumet - Repeat Again After Me (Ame Remix) - Versatile
03. Marlon D - Jesus Creates Sound - Strictly Rhythm
04. David K - Three Arches - Tsuba
05. Underworld - Lenne Penne (Darren Price Remix) - Underworldlive
06. Underworld - Crocodile (Oliver Huntemann Remix) - Underworldlive
07. Pan-Pot - Charly (Anja Remix) - Mobilee
08. Tiefschwarz - No More Trouble (Turntablerocker Remix) - Souvenir
09. Darren Price - Shake That Higher
10. Jim Peters - Lets Work
11. Underworld - Beautiful Burnout (Pig and Dan Remix) - Underworldlive
12. Compuphonic & Kolombo - Emotion - Turbo
13. David K - Three Arches (Remix) - Tsuba
14. Butch - On the Line (Oxia rmx) - Great Stuff
15. Underworld - Beautiful Burnout - (Mark Knight Remix) - Underworldlive

it gets the job done, yes.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/podcast/ra087-jd-twitch-optimo.jpg

01. Popol Vuh - Engel Der Luft - Metronome
02. Woolfy - The Growler - Mindless Boogie
03. Cage & Avairy - Television Train - Dissident
04. Invincible Scum - Shake It Up - Dissident
05. Artist Unknown - Do Ya Think I'm Sexy
06. Gamma Ray - Birth Control (Edit) - CBS Schallplatten GmbH
07. Guillaume & The Coutu Dumonts - Mederico - Oslo
08. Juzu presents Lugar Precioso - Drum De Fuego (Joaquin Joe Clausell mix) - Sacred Rhythm Music
09. Kalabrese - MakeLoveDisco
10. Petre Inspirescu - Sakadat - Vinylclub
11. Silicon Soul (Germany) - Who Needs Sleep Tonight (2004 Insanity remix) - Disko B
12. Jape - Floating (Prins Thomas Diskomiks) - Marine Parade
13. Artist Unknown - Zimbra Drums - Di Sisco Recordings
14. Blast Head - Soft Step - Lastrum Corporation
15. Lindstrom - The Contemporary Fix (EYE mix) - Smalltown Supersound
16. Hercules & Love Affair - Blind (Club mix) - DFA Records
17. Lou Reed - Satellite Of Love - NuLife

yase!!

the juan maclean mix wasn't too shabby either...

i'm just downloading the tobias freund podcast right now

83 to 87:

Tresher
Trickski
Freund (woah)
Juan Maclean (lots of smiles)
JD Twitch (just heard this on the commute back home - the way Satellite of Love comes in after Blind!!)

Phenomenal.

Juzu presents Lugar Precioso - Drum De Fuego (Joaquin Joe Clausell mix) - Sacred Rhythm Music

excellent! will check this one

the tobias freund was one of the weirdest ones i've heard. kinda great, but super fucking weird.

also, if anyone is interested, a lot of these are available on Hypnotic Breaks. pretty sure they don't take them down, so if ya missed one, there ya go.

Resident Advisor podcasts:

hxxp://rapidshare.com/users/HXVU13

Change xx to tt

16. Hercules & Love Affair - Blind (Club mix) - DFA Records

And featuring Antony Hegarty on vocals. This is a bit bloody fantastic, isn't it? Definitely my favourite RA podcast to date, but I've only been subscribed a couple of months.

I'd never heard of Trickski, and didn't know what to expect, but it's great. The first 25 mins or so, up until where he loops Marvin Gaye and it speeds up is fab.

I'd like to hear more mixes at that tempo (about 105bpm?). It reminds me of all those Quiet Village remixes (esp that Gorrillaz bootleg).

Like the Tobias Freund one as well. Haven't heard the Optimo yet, but looks great.

I stupidly deleted the Dixon one earlier in the year, but they put it up again as one of their best of the year and I've been listening to it loads. I don't know why I didn't take to it before. Having got some of the tracks in the meantime (esp Alice Smith) helps. I'd second Kevin John Bozelka's request from the thread on it for more mixes like this.

mike, you gotta hear the frankie knuckles mix

jamie, the marvin gaye bit is trusme - w.a.r. i think

Lindstrom - The Contemporary Fix (EYE mix) - Smalltown Supersound

i'm surprised this hasn't gotten more love, I think it's one of eye's best remixes

jamie, the marvin gaye bit is trusme - w.a.r. i think

Thanks.

I actually just checked the tracklist and you're right. (It also starts with a Quiet Village remix, which makes my comment above sound stupid, but I didn't know that one!)

OMG I had no idea there was a Twitch podcast! Will get onto this tonight.

Cheers for that, Macallan!

It reminds me of all those Quiet Village remixes (esp that Gorrillaz bootleg).

bootleg ?

totally official. included on the recent D-sides comp. or is this a different remix ?

I'm listening to the Twitch mix on headphones at work and this shit makes me want to dance in my cubicle. Is it really this fucking good ? The transition from Gamma Ray into Mederico, whoa.

i don't think i liked it but i listened to 20 minutes or so. The current one (Kalabrese) is doing it for me. nice warm creamy centre.

The JD Twitch one is in fact amazing.

i have not heard the twitch mix yet (need to remedy that asap), but i am listening to the pole mix right now and it is doing my head in in the nicest way.

havent't heard that pole yet. itching too though. right now im bumpin that ame mix and it is also doing my head in, in a nice way.

yeah the pole looks very tasty. has anyone heard the sasse mix? it was getting a lot of plugs in the comments section

dunno who this MARA TRAX is but i like her already

i don't know a single track on this mix!

52:00 is nice

actually all of 40:00 - 60:00 is rather choice

oh i see, one of these ladies is miss fitz

01 Chaton - Catch The Beat (Agnès - Limmat Luftmadratz Redive) - Sthmlaudio Recordings
02 Miss Fitz & Shaun Reeves - Bobby Lonesome - Unreleased
03 Stephan G & the Persuader - Kaos EP - Svek
04 Digitaline - Fenetre - Cadenza Records
05 Ricardo Villalobos - Farenzer House – Sei Es Drum
06 Klockworks - Klockworks 02 (Edit) - Klockworks
07 Scott Ferguson - Any Day Now (ElectroVox Remix) - Deep Vibes Recordings
08 Grant Dell - Sleeping Dub - Worship Recordings
09 Flow - Blue Skies - Low Pressings
10 Markus Fix - Midnight Frogger - Unreleased
11 Dimbiman - First Laki - Perlon
12 Andomat 3000 & Jan - Frost - Cadenza Records
13 Andy Vaz - You Got? - Yore Records

looks good. was into the Mara Trax, uh, track on Ronan's blog recently..

very sparse, very percussive

emphasis on VERY
xpost

their mixing is perfunctory at best. some good trax tho.

agree that the end of this mix is what makes it good. the first half a tad boring.

I meant to say Vahid, this stuff like Mara Trax and Oslo Records seems basically made for your tastes.

yeah, you should listen to some of the mixes on miss fitz's website, she tends to go alot deeper and leans towards more us style tracks than in the ra podcast. i think she's a great dj.

RA started out strong, but they've become a little too proggy for my taste. As someone from the US, who is this Mary Hobbs, I like her shows quite a bit.

Mary Anne Hobbs, I should say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radioassets/photos/2007/1/4/12438_2.jpg

she's a radio 1 dj, dubstep champ, used to go out with miles hunt (FACT!).

was married to Miles Hunt, went out with Clint Mansell (not in that order)

Mary Anne Hobbs does a great job championing some of the murkier echelons of electronic music but boy, i could really really do without her hyperbolic chatter. her introduction to that villalobos mix he did a few months back made me want to hurl my mp3 player into the river. "this mix is the stuff of legend..." my ass.

i thought she would look more goth for some reason

wait weren't those dudes in a band together?? what a tramp!

Derek Plaslaiko mix is really good.

It sure is...

RA started out strong, but they've become a little too proggy for my taste.

Not quite sure how recent podcasts (Freund, Maclean, Optimo, Claro Intelecto, Kalabrese, Pole, etc.) can be considered "proggy"...

i agree with that, especially given the list that is parenthesized there, but there's definitely an argument for minimal techno as the new (and newly mutated) progressive house.

"i agree with that, especially given the list that is parenthesized there, but there's definitely an argument for minimal techno as the new (and newly mutated) progressive house.

-- tricky"

i agree with that idea, mnml is definitely the new prog house.

though i will say that i think RA started out more proggy and has since moved into better territory, covering much more different kinds of stuff.

I thought the Mara Trax one was a snoozer. It was cut from an eight hour set, so there's more than a chance that we got them at their most spare and percussive (seriously, though, 30 odd minutes of drum tracks without much else is hard to get excited about, especially in a non-club setting) from an otherwise lively set.

That being said, I saw Miss Fitz DJ recently and I ended up feeling more or less the same about her set.

"i agree with that, especially given the list that is parenthesized there, but there's definitely an argument for minimal techno as the new (and newly mutated) progressive house.

-- tricky"

i agree with that idea, mnml is definitely the new prog house.

-- pipecock, Thursday, 13 March 2008

about when it (mnml-whatever) began to lose me really, perhaps getting on for a couple of years now?

but honestly pipecock has doubtless been saying that since 1999 to begin with! not sure there's really 'agreement' going on here....

the Mara Trax has bored me so far. maybe i need to give it a deeper listen.

playing the jd twitch one right now and man is it awesome!

yeah fandango i wouldn't necessarily consider progressive to be pejorative.

me either, really!

I didn't mean to mention that (my own disappointment & creeping sense of deja-vu post-Get Physical) as if there was a direct link. It's probably as much that 'minimal techno' is pretty much just mainstream 'techno' (or whatever classier house isn't electro or big room boshbosh) out there these days.

yup, that's kind of what i mean, too.

x-post - taking into account fandango's disclaimer...

The problem with the whole "minimal is the new progressive" argument (as I've said several times so forgive me for boring some of you) is that the aspects of the two styles are similar are not usually the ones which would make a useful stick with which to be beat either style.

When we look at what people who disliked prog house used to say, their complaints were:

1) Its general apparent lack of any relationship to "warm" house proper (with some exceptions) and a general overreliance on a more subtle version of trance synth melodies.
2) Its rhythmic unadventurousness.
3) The way DJs seemed to focus excessively on merging between tracks indistinguishably rather than setting up contrasts between tracks.
3) The extreme polarisation of identity-factor w/r/t DJs and producers (i.e. superstar status for Sasha, Warren etc. but relative anonymity for even big producers like Tilt or Quivver).

Certainly we can identify individual minimal tracks that have some of these qualities but rarely if ever all of them; and the scene as a whole doesn't fit any of the above characteristics consistently.

agree upthread about the mara being for the most part kinda eh. the letter end of the mix is nice. the twitch mix is one of the best i've heard in a while.

3) The way DJs seemed to focus excessively on merging between tracks indistinguishably rather than setting up contrasts between tracks.

this happens a lot in minimal

but i can't think of any logical explanation for this bizarre minimal=prog belief. there have been a fair amount of successful proggish minimal tracks in the past couple of years, but that seems to have kind of petered out (correct me if i'm wrong). are you people talking about some "meta" connection that i'm not seeing?

Mary Anne Hobbs does a great job championing some of the murkier echelons of electronic music but boy, i could really really do without her hyperbolic chatter. her introduction to that villalobos mix he did a few months back made me want to hurl my mp3 player into the river. "this mix is the stuff of legend..." my ass.

Funny thing is, back when I first listened to teh Breezeblock in about 1998, i actually found her breathless 'enthusiasm' genuinely exciting... maybe i just didn't have enough confidence in my own tastes? – anyway nowadays i find it grates...

"are you people talking about some "meta" connection that i'm not seeing?"

it's not the sound so much as the popular aspect that i am talking about. it's just the big thing and now it seems to be in the process of being superceded by a more traditional house or techno (take your pick) sound.

"but honestly pipecock has doubtless been saying that since 1999 to begin with! not sure there's really 'agreement' going on here....

-- fandango"

nah, there was kind of a movement from "glitch" or whatever you wanna call it style techno in the early 00's (when it was wildly popular) into the more mnml sounding stuff, even though some of the players (hawtin obviously a big one in that transition, taking it from closer to the edit into mnml) stayed the same. it was somewhere in that transition that the attitude associated with the music changed, and the kind of people who listened to it changed as well. that mix comp with richie and sven vath editing in bits of conversation from their ibiza trip or whatever was pretty much in stark contrast to the kind of air that "techno" had before then and signalled the change into nu-prog attitude. it was only a matter of time after that before the sound fell more into place and you started seeing "prog" deejays playing Kompakt records and the like.

the kind of people who listened to it changed as well.

always important

"x-post - taking into account fandango's disclaimer...

The problem with the whole "minimal is the new progressive" argument (as I've said several times so forgive me for boring some of you) is that the aspects of the two styles are similar are not usually the ones which would make a useful stick with which to be beat either style.

When we look at what people who disliked prog house used to say, their complaints were:

1) Its general apparent lack of any relationship to "warm" house proper (with some exceptions) and a general overreliance on a more subtle version of trance synth melodies.
2) Its rhythmic unadventurousness.
3) The way DJs seemed to focus excessively on merging between tracks indistinguishably rather than setting up contrasts between tracks.
3) The extreme polarisation of identity-factor w/r/t DJs and producers (i.e. superstar status for Sasha, Warren etc. but relative anonymity for even big producers like Tilt or Quivver).

Certainly we can identify individual minimal tracks that have some of these qualities but rarely if ever all of them; and the scene as a whole doesn't fit any of the above characteristics consistently.

-- Tim F"

i'm not sure those are the entire set of criticisms against prog house. here is my comparison: both prog and mnml are both white washed versions of their respective black dance musics. most of the main players in each are white guys from europe and england. each seems more interested in taking influence from within their own genre (though now that mnml is stealing from "deep house" that could change) than looking outside of it. both attained popularity with a relatively new to dance music crowd. each style was focused on the "new" music, and heavily on particular superstar type deejays.

aside from those, the first 3 of your points are present in mnml as well. im not sure your 4th point really makes any real difference, does it matter how popular a producer is vs. a deejay?

"the kind of people who listened to it changed as well.

always important

-- deej"

i'm not sure i would say that it is important, but it definitely signals an overall change in style.

so did bambaataa blackwash kraftwerk?

snarkiness aside, i am all for giving credit where it's due, but i think the issue of race and musical heritage is much more complex than white or black wash.

also, some of the very best minimal records of the past few years are those that use ideas and sounds from outside of minimal, but the difficulty here is that minimal/mnml is too broad a term.

that brings it back to what i think is your and fandango's point about minimal being assimilated into/becoming the mainstream of dance music..

ok i am feeling this argument now but one big difference (and this sort of ties into tim's popularity of djs vs. producers thing) is that minimal seems to have sort of intellectual/high art connotations for a lot of people (villalobos on cover of the wire, the still-lingering echoes of the glitch era, uhhhh more examples plz) that never existed with prog.

and yeah we whities put the white wash on and it always comes out trancey

each style was focused on the "new" music, and heavily on particular superstar type deejays.

just like everything else, right???

Anders Ilar! I love you RA!

Plus, the pole mix is sounding very nice right now.

I think I might buy a huge pack of CDR's and try and get all of these in physical form, well, maybe just 50-70 or so.

I'm hoping they're going to get someone big for #100, my bet is Luciano or something.

yeah the Ilar's great, very minimal rainy morning, which is perfect for me right now

where can i get a copy of henrik schwarz?

both prog and mnml are both white washed versions of their respective black dance musics. most of the main players in each are white guys from europe and england

proved

moonship i put that henrik schwarz up on leonardo

thx bro

listening to the ilar now, sounds terrific

A cursory skim through Kevin Saunderson's mix is really making it sounds very promising.

yeah...saunderson is playing a lot of whitewashed music though...shame on him.

OMG he's wearing a bluetooth headset in the promo picture

I once saw Anders Ilar and there were about ten people there. He uses Fruity Loops. Music was great.

i like that track at 55:00. what is that?

taht was an xpost. 55:00 in the KS mix

anders ilar mildly boring / uncreative i thought.

I haven't listened to any of his records. I remember that night a really fat girl came up to me and asked me if I had a girlfriend and I lied and said yes and she said "oh it's just that my pal thought you were cute" and her friend was hot. Who the hell gets their friends to approach people after the age of 12 or so?!

Sorry for the blog post.

never lie to fat people

hell, never lie to anyone

kevin saunderson is possibly my all time favourite techno producer. i've always thought he should stick to producing and looking at that tracklisting, i don't think i'm going to change my mind about that anytime soon.

anders ilarthe last month and a half or so mildly boring / uncreative i thought

mostly the boring part; i don't follow releases like, at all so it's not like djs have to cratedig to impress me. make me move or something.

"kevin saunderson is possibly my all time favourite techno producer. i've always thought he should stick to producing and looking at that tracklisting, i don't think i'm going to change my mind about that anytime soon.

-- stirmonster"

saunderson is horrible at deejaying. he plays a ton of absolute garbage. it makes me really irritated, given how good his releases and label has been. i guess getting paid is the bomb.

i like this sequence a lot

16. Kevin Saunderson - World Of Deep (Jesse Rose Remix)
17. Hatiras - Rock Da House
18. Haruki Matsuo - Side Step Test
19. Kevin Saunderson - Pump Da Move (Samuel L Session Remix)
20. ? - Da Umba (?)
21. Korioto & Ivan Gomez - Work My Beats
22. Kevin Saunderson - Bassline (Joris Voorn Remix)

22. Kevin Saunderson - Bassline (Joris Voorn Remix)

this remix is mega - it never leaves my box. i never thought the original could be beaten but i think i actually prefer this version.

yeah...saunderson is playing a lot of whitewashed music though...shame on him.

-- Ronan, Monday, 24 March 2008 21:38 (1 hour ago) Link

if this was a joke it was a good one!

what's funny to me is that the "credible" stuff strikes me as the worst-sounding part of his mix. the vincenzo / italoboyz / nazca nonsense. ok, it sounds a little bit like basic channel because the synths billow and echo. but you know what? it's also really, really boring. does it do anything? no, it just sits there. it's not that there's anything wrong with filtering the same few notes up and down. carl craig is a genius at doing exactly that. but these guys aren't - it's like they're convinced that if they just follow the maurizio & carl craig cookbook (throwing a few elements from each) they'll end up master chefs. NOPE, sorry, it doesn't work like that. not actively bad, just sort of uninspired and completely useless at getting my pulse up.

at least guetta and fedde le grand get your pulse up.

i'm talking about the long middle stretch from around 30:00 to 50:00, if anybody cares

that stuff isn't that credible really...more...as you say, middlebrow.

macallan, that was a joke!

actually i find all of the bile directed at guetta and fedde le grand pretty laughable. what did people want? that he'd play an hour of deepchord and omar s records? isn't that just the flipside of being that boring angry guy who just graduated from high school and spends his time sneering at anything that's not underground metal. hell, that's just the flipside of being alex in nyc!

you're gonna need a bit more than cargo shorts & a fruit of the loom w/ a famous black musician screened on the front to compete with that

I agree...also "Big Fun" and "Good Life" were probably dismissed back then for the exact same reasons people dismiss Fedde and Guetta now.

"I agree...also "Big Fun" and "Good Life" were probably dismissed back then for the exact same reasons people dismiss Fedde and Guetta now.

-- Ronan"

incorrect.

Fedde's "Let Me Think About It" was one of the best tunes from last year, if only all 2007 electro-house tracks were so fun!

I haven't listened to any of his records. I remember that night a really fat girl came up to me and asked me if I had a girlfriend and I lied and said yes and she said "oh it's just that my pal thought you were cute" and her friend was hot. Who the hell gets their friends to approach people after the age of 12 or so?!

hot chicks who dont want to hook up with shallow dudes

For Energy Flash, I was interviewed by Robert Elms on his GLR show, and during a desultory interrogation, with one eye kept on the Test Match playing on a little TV above the studio console, the former doyen of the style bibles opined that as far as he was concerned, house and techno had been the death of the British working class's love affair with black dance music. Like everybody else from a certain mid-Eighties moment in style culture/London clubland, Elms seemed to have imagined that rare groove/"the jazz revival"/go-go should have just have extended itself in perpetuity: a Thousand Year Reich of refinement and righteousness.

Elms's inability to accept house and techno as "proper black music" (let alone all the things that followed like jungle and 2step), then gets weirdly echoed by your Terry Farley types who went a bit further than Elms, falling in love with deep house, but stops there. Read his house review column in Muzik and you sniff the tell-tale neo-mod whiff of "we are the custodians", signaled by phrases like "proper black dance music" and "this is real black house music for those who know". Then there's Kirk DeGiorgio with his historically confused insistence that Detroit techno came entirely out of black synth-exponents like Stevie Wonder, Herbie Hancock, and Bernie Worrell, and owed not one whit to Kraftwerk/New Order/Depeche. DeGiorgio operates some kind of web-site project dedicated to documenting early Seventies black music year by year down to every last record released---so far as he's barely got to 1971!.

it never ends.

incorrect

i'm not sure i can really get into fedde - aside from PYHUFD - but i'll rep for guetta. he's like the perfect compromise between near-perfect OTT US testosto-house (think subliminal or murk) and that really awesome euro stuff that toes the line between prog & electro house (guy gerber, steve angello, etc)

great debate

the worst thing about guetta is how he credits his creepy wife on each album and how she appears in press photos doing extra-creepy things like touching his bare chest with her press-on nails. they're stunningly ugly, too.

xpost incorrect

heh

guetta was on a loreal "because I'm worth it" ad over here.

dude looks like a naked mole rat.

accepting the award for BEST LO-FI DETROIT HOUSE ANTHEM 2007

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/david-guetta-2007-world-music-awards-arrivals-1tTHqx.jpg

http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2007/10/071015225336.jpg

the last month and a half or so mildly boring / uncreative i thought

I loved Derek Plaslaiko's mix. Was I the only one who did?

Vahid you never told me whether you liked AXWELL'S "I FOUND U"??!?

Also has anyone outside of Australia heard THE POTBELLEEZ'S "DON'T HOLD BACK"??!?

I'm half tempted to spend all my time championing stuff like this just to get away from all the dance music pietism that seems to be number one meme of 2008.

It is fairly popular in NZ Tim (The Potbelleez/Aussie Electro house imports). Please stop sending them over.

I thought Pole's RA was great. Tomorrow, on the bus, I will listen to Ilar.

"I loved Derek Plaslaiko's mix. Was I the only one who did?

-- NoTimeBeforeTime"

when derek was in Pittsburgh he played some Rob Hood, Moodymann, G-Man, etc. far better than that podcast.

I'm half tempted to spend all my time championing stuff like this just to get away from all the dance music pietism that seems to be number one meme of 2008.

glad someone else said it.

Also has anyone outside of Australia heard THE POTBELLEEZ'S "DON'T HOLD BACK"??!?

I like the original, but the Malente remix of that track is amazing - I'm very happy with most of the Malente productions I've heard.

I'm half tempted to spend all my time championing stuff like this just to get away from all the dance music pietism that seems to be number one meme of 2008.

This is why 'funky house' ftw in 2008. Have you heard Apple?

Apple's myspace

In fact, Ronan, now you live in London you should be all over this shit.

Well, listening to Anders Ilar now it's great. I love this kind of music, although the mixing isn't all it could be. Heh, and I'll point out that I only did a cursory skim of the saunderson mix, haven't listened to it yet.

weird but i'm not that into funky house. i thought "tropical" was awes but dj target etc not so much.

LOVE the kevin saunderson damn

http://www.wackyb.co.nz/hello/hello_heart.jpg DINKY http://www.wackyb.co.nz/hello/hello_heart.jpg

Also worthy of commendation are url=http://www.robert-johnson.de.htmlthese/url mentioned url=http://www.residentadvisor.net/feed.aspx?page=4.htmlhere/url

terrible.

but in between all my ineptitude are links!

the todd terje one might be my favourite this year. love the segue from sueno latino into bruce springsteen at the end.'i'm on fire' is one creepy song but i can't get enough of it right now, the remix is killer.

can't wait to hear the sascha dive mix, it looks delicious

fidget house on RA?? podcast 99 is herve & sinden:

01. The Count & Sinden - Dock Leaf - Domino
02. The Count & Sinden - Stinging Nettle - Domino
03. Toddla T - Inna Di Dancehall (The Count & Sinden Remix) - 1965
04. Detboi - Come Rest Up - CDR
05. Se:sa - I Like It Like This (The Count & Sinden Remix) - Positiva
06. T2 - Butterflies (The Count Remix) - All Around The World
07. Bjork - Innocence (Sinden Remix) - One Little Indian
08. Jay Stewart – Don’t Do It (Rico Tubbs VIP Remix) - Menu Music
09. Machines Don’t Care - Drop It To The Floor - Machines Don’t Care
10. Azzido Da Bass - Dooms Night (Switch Remix) - Frenetic
11. Dj Tamiel - Funky Dance - CDR
12. Voodoo Chilli - Streetplayers - Cheap Thrills
13. The Count & Sinden - Beeper - Domino
14. The Count & Sinden - Beeper (A Trak Remix) - Domino
15. Kudu - Lets Finish (Sinden Remix) - Nublu
16. Larry Tee feat. Princess Superstar - Licky (Herve Remix) - iO Records
16. Machines Don’t Care - Soundboy Massive - Machines Don’t Care
17. The Count - Dibby DJ - Cheap Thrills
18. South Rakkas Crew - Mad Again (Fake Blood Remix) - Mad Decent
19. Fake Blood - Fake Blood Theme - Counterfeet
20. Alan Braxe - Addicted - Kitsune
21. Armand Van Helden - J'Taime (Switch Remix) - Southern Fried
22. Solid Groove - This Is Sick (Herve Reshuffle) - CDR

Good to see I'm not the only person who loves the Dinky one.

i'm really skeptical of mixes featuring 90% of the artist own material.

(unless the artist is daft punk obv.)

any guesses for who's on deck for RA #100?

My guess is Luciano (and I wouldn't be surprised it it was a lifted live performance), then Carl Craig.
I have a feeling they asked Ricardo first, but he would turn it down.

I like Luciano's live mixes more than his mix albums so that would suit me just fine.

damn, there are like only two (maybe three?) tracks from that herve & sinden podcast that were on their january essential mix ... dudes are hardworking

so #100 = Ritchie H
.. just starting it off now.
anyone heard it yet ?

Put a patch on him in that RA pic and he'd look like Momus.

Hah!

The comments thread on RA for this one is likely to be a trial I think.

Starts off a bit slow (hello, Richie Hawtin set) but comes into its own after about fifteen minutes.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/podcast/ra100-richie-hawtin.jpg

Beard is pretty sweet.

four tet is well worth hearing. very "dance" for him. the mixing's ho-hum, but the selection!

i'll second that. very 'groovy' selection. his mixing has come in for a lot of analysis but i think these people are missing the point.

Great new podcast: it's Laurent Garnier.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=107

Dozzy's where it's at.

fuuuuuck garnier killed it!

absolutely killed it

i thought so. quiet village was very good.

What I've heard of the Appleblim mix so far is super great

these d-bags pulled a negative digweed review after protests from the record label and replaced it with a positive one, prompting the resignation of two editors

yeah, that's a shame. i got an email from that tami fenwick once and she seemed very nice

Appleblim mix is great.

That Digweed shit is pretty :/ but tbh never read resident advisor, just listen to the mixes which are generally all belters.

Yeah, really sucks. I guess this means I'll never receive the copy of Bionik that I won back in April and still don't knows the whereabouts about. :( And yes, Tami was nice in the email, as well. And from what I could tell, Jeremy Armitage seems like a standup individual nonetheless.

Wow, that's awful news. Tami was great to deal with back when I (briefly) wrote for RA, and I'm sure they'll miss her.

LOL @ this

i wonder how everyone would feel about this if a negative villalobos review got pulled down and replaced by the management

is that for real about them pulling a bad review and replacing it with a good one???? aren't people in uproar about it?

i wonder how everyone would feel about this if a negative villalobos review got pulled down and replaced by the management

just as ambivalent probably

There's an uproarious thread about it on the RA site.

Jeremy and Tami both resigned in protest - it was Jeremy's review that was pulled.

RA historically was much more of a prog publication than it is today - I get the impression that a lot of the shift towards minimal etc. was at Jeremy and Tami's behest. But the owners of the site and a lot of the readers are still total Rennaisance/Global Underground fans.

The Digweed review wasn't as negative and "biased" as a lot of the prog heads in the comments page make it sound - I've read much more critical reviews about Villalobos along the lines of "it's just the sound of flies and cicadas innit". But the sense of compulsory support for Villalobos one feels amongst these circles (and I definitely feel this) is more along the lines of a self-policing superego thing amongst critics. Negative Villalobos reviews don't need to be pulled because the critical hegemony in support of the guy does the job nicely.

Still, it's funny that the review very explicitly set up a Digweed vs Wighnomy Bros aesthetic choice - the fact that it was pulled and that Jeremy/Tami subsequently resigned makes the whole situation feel (fairly or otherwise) like a roundabout passing of judgment on the direction the site has gone in over the past three/four years or so.

how many villalobos reviews are there, anywhere? how many dance reviews?

it's barely even a discourse...

Well I don't know if there are that many more Digweed reviews than Villalobos reviews - both producers will usually get reviewed in almost all published dance music magazines and any dance music review website that hold themselves out as generalist.

I agree that it's barely a discourse, but within these circles I think there is definitely a tendency to succumb to Boomkat-style reviewing when it comes to Villalobos. By "Boomkat-style", I mean giving the producer the benefit of the doubt for every stylistic decision, with the only distinctions being between "must buy" and "must must buy".

It's a bit of a "voice of history" effect at work - until Villalobos releases something which ultimately is deemed to be not much cop by the critical consensus (e.g. a Be Here Now equivalent) it will be difficult not to second-guess any ambivalent critical reactions ("this track leaves me cold now but what about in six months' time?").

Todd Burns has taken over on editorial duties right? He should keep things on an even keel I would have thought... I would hate it if it went back to its Rennaisance/Global Underground beginnings (surely unlikely given the current climate).

I just wish Ricardo would go back to making poppier stuff again. I'd happily be part of a consensus opinion that stuff like 'Easy Lee' is super awesome and to be continuously applauded.

As for RA, this could well be an emotional response (to T&J's departure) rather than a critical one, but I find the site to be kind of joyless these days. The site may not be focused on prog anymore, but the bulk of the reviewers are mostly interested in the chewiest and most overbaked blog techno around so plus ca change really.

i wonder how everyone would feel about this if a negative villalobos review got pulled down and replaced by the management

just as ambivalent probably

-- Ronan

maybe i misread the vibe over in the RA comments box -- and i tuned out shortly after tim's post -- but it seemed to be setting it up as the soulless corporate entity vs the sound of underground house. i wonder how much of this elision had to do w/ a sense of minimal as underdog and prog/trance as "overdog". wasn't the tack of the pulled review sort of "minimalism is being co-opted by the mainstream!" boilerplate?

Presumably Resident Advisor is wholly reliant on advertisers to actually keep publishing so I'm kind of surprised this thing doesn't happen more often, on this site and elsewhere. Maybe it does and RA just dealt with this in a cackhanded way (ie spiking it after publication rather than before it).

I'd be a bit more worked up about being unable to trust any future reviews if I thought RA writers in general were very good at being able to crystallise why a record is good and bad, and with a few honourable exceptions they aren't.

I wouldn't agree really with that assessment Vahid, but Jeremy can probably explain his own review here I guess.

I think the most surprising/disappointing thing for me was how many people based their reaction to the idea that a review was pulled on whether they liked John Digweed or not.

I mean, the actual fact one was pulled seemed to be an afterthought as people debated the merits of JD.

Just goes to show how partisan it all is, to some people it's irrelevant what somebody writes, how it's treated, who's controlling a site, apart from 10/10 or 0/10 at the end to spew disagreement at.

That sounds quite pompous I guess but it is pretty sad.

Yeah exactly Ronan, I was astonished that so many people would immediately use the term "biased" just because they thought Jeremy didn't accept without question the reigning principles of prog.

If Jeremy's review had just blasted Digweed for being Digweed I'd maybe agree with Vahid's take, but Jeremy was pretty careful to note that Digweed's previous mixes were much more interesting, and that the specific problem with the new Digweed mix was how all the natural edges to the tracks had been smoothed out with ableton or whatever.

That accorded perfectly with my memory of Sasha's last big DJ mix so I understood perfectly what he meant. Really I'd be more interested in an honest to goodness mix of whatever prog producers are actually doing right now than a mix of minimal carefully edited to sound like prog.

What interests me is this idea that people aren't particularly respectful about the whole practise of reviewing things. Judging by RA that's the case.

I don't think it's right to just say "oh people have no respect for reviewers" blah blah blah, or to tell people what they should/shouldn't respect, I'm more interested in wondering if, for dance music, we're at a point where some new model for talking about it does more than the traditional review model. Or where some new way of using the net to discuss it is better, even say blogging or something.

Or I guess whether forums have just replaced the need for reviews entirely to the point that people don't actually have any respect for somebody doing a review, because why would they, everyone is literally a critic in that they sit down and type their opinions about stuff constantly.

Your last point is probably the key here Ronan - much in the same way that the democraticization of DJ mixing has made people less shy about micro-criticizing DJ mixes from name DJs ("I was disappointed that I knew all these tracks already"; "the mixing is only so-so" etc.)

What has surprised and disappointed me a bit lately (not connected to the whole RA incident) is how many people including established music critics seem to be very quick to dismiss out of hand the critical insight afforded by other critics e.g. "Oh, I find that writer to be very shallow / self-obsessed etc. etc."

Most of which seems to be an ad hominem strategy to avoid actually engaging with differences of opinion as they emerge. I mean, I think Pipecock's full of shit most of the time but I still can't resist trying to beat him point-by-point.

I think that's true, though probably a consequence of the sort of solidifying staleness of some of the rivalries/arguments if we're talking about just house/techno.

People think "I could disagree but I've done this already", that's how I feel a lot and other people too I think.

More than anything the RA stuff has made me think of some new ideas for dance writing and some that aren't writing at all that I am really looking forward to doing, I think the lack of conversations about clubs and clubnights is really kind of crazy.

Sometimes you read blogs (probably including mine lately!) and if you didn't know you might think that nobody actually played house/techno in clubs, that there were no clubs, no scene, no stupid parties etc.

Isn't that as much about the international nature of music writing though? Records are transferrable, club nights less so.

I feel it particularly being in a city which has not been the centre point of any interesting dance scene ever except mersh electro-house and Modular stuff, the club nights for which are kinda hard to write about positively (most dispiriting experience ever: seeing Booka Shade with a haircut house crowd).

I guess....but doesn't it seem weird sometimes when everything is so divorced from that culture? Maybe just things have been so serious and political of late that I want to read more gonzified takes...

can't be worse than seeing booka shade at ULU (the london students' union) at 9pm, finishing at 11pm, with a crowd of students treating it like an indie gig (ie stand still with pints in hands, act offended at people trying to dance)

xp

also 99% of critical conversations about dance music - and i include ilm in this with v few exceptions - are dispiriting exercises in dick-waving about how much you know/have heard. sick sick sick of seeing people reel off 100 names which might have influenced a record instead of talking about the thing itself

Club night reviews seem even harder than live show reviews to do well. And I've no real interest in reading live show reviews even.

Ronan u should be the gonzo Lester BAngs of dance writing. U can do it.

x-post responding to ronan: Oh totally, I'm so over the lineage handwringing that seems so in vogue at the moment.

I wish there was some sort of popular and good dance music at the moment that could totally escape this (e.g. the class of 2002 - "Take Me With You" etc. - that was the music that coincided with your own emergence as a dance music writer), that made these considerations seem utterly irrelevant.

But current commercial electro-house isn't good enough, and UK funky house isn't popular enough...

we don't need a lester bangs of dance writing ffs

well I am addicted to indigestion meds if that helps

I wish there was some sort of popular and good dance music at the moment that could totally escape this (e.g. the class of 2002 - "Take Me With You" etc. - that was the music that coincided with your own emergence as a dance music writer), that made these considerations seem utterly irrelevant.

yeah it's annoying! some vulgarity is needed, tho I do think this is where the clubbing comes into things.

btw ronan i was going to post on yr blog but i can't remember my blogger password, you still want to check out the dubstep scene? i'll let you know when i'm next going to a dubstep night if so

you don't need a blogger password! my blog is free for all to post on!

tbh i still haven't got to grips w/posting comments on blogs, it always seems to go a bit wrong

we don't need a lester bangs of dance writing ffs

-- lex pretend, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 11:24 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

It must happen!

Just a bit of background to mine and Tami's decision.

Renaissance didn't protest about the Digweed review. They had complained about the last three out of four reviews, and we were told that they were a annoyed that their records were not being reviewed "fairly" (they're an advertiser). The root problem was that over our two years editing RA we could never find a good progressive reviewer - we either had bitter ex-proggers railing against the genre or GU types who never had much to say.

So the review went through two drafts, both of which weren't publishable. Sales/management kept pressuring us with "Where's the Digweed review?" for like two months, and finally to relieve the pressure on Tami I decided to write the review myself. We put it up, it was taken down, and then sales commissioned, edited and published a new review without our knowledge and put it up.

Nothing to do with prog vs. minimal. It wouldn't have mattered if the new review was a masterpiece - we still would have resigned. It just goes against my sense of decency that sales dept should be able to dictate editorial. Whereas the big kick in the teeth for Tami was that sales got Todd Burns to edit the new review in secret. He didn't say boo to us - even when we met him in person. RA management had driven a wedge between us and Todd and Tami felt betrayed.

Which is to say: Nick in sales had been banging up against a brick wall of our editorial judgement for a long time, and then in Todd he found a way to bypass the system. Anyway, suddenly we had a situation where salespeople were commissioning reviews (and features) without our knowledge, and our new editor was taking direction from sales and not from us.

It was time to leave.

But anyway – I really shouldn’t be too hard on the parties involved - I imagine people are just doing their best. The bigger issue is what kind of system you have in place to separate sales & ed and whether all parties agree on that system. We couldn’t agree at RA. It’s a common problem though— Nick Hoppner said to us he struggled with the issue during his time at Groove, and then you’ve got PR people writing every day who seem to take it as a given that they can buy coverage. And yeah, I do think the lack of outcry about this incident speaks to how little readers care about the issue directly.

OTOH, it is a question of quality. The fact is that you can only get to a certain level when X% of your content is advertorial. And I do think readers care about quality.

I'm convinced a dance mag with a proper system in place can work, especially on the web. It's possible to be independent & also professional & profitable. But yes, the consensus to do it that way has be there among the people running the mag, which in the end wasn't really happening at RA. As I said, we couldn't agree on a system.

Just came to plug the Appleblim mix and read all this. Shit is pretty :/

Why didn't they just post one of those OTOH 2nd opinion reviews. Or have the two reviewers battle it out in a feature. Or have Digweed review the review, he could've complained about how all the paragraphs flowed too smoothly into each other.

mark e!!!

"so crucial" say vahid!
e for essential say me!

dl-ing now.

STL - Foggy Beats - Something
Amp Fiddler - You - Genuine
Try to find me VOL 1 - Make Dance - Golf Channel
Cole Medina - Love You Inside Out (Pinches Mix) - House Arrest
Mark E - Untitled - Unreleased
Grace Jones - La Vie En Rose (Mark E edit) - Unreleased
Bogdan Irkuk - Carpice - Rollerboys Recordings
Rondenion - Precious Time - Parker Music Works
Mark E - Get Yourself Together - Unreleased
LTJ Experience - I Love You - Irma
Marvin Gaye - Heavy Love Affair (The Revenge Rework) - Unreleased
Birth Control - Plastic People (Medit) - Unreleased

oh god this bee gees edit could just go on and on and i'd keep smiling

So looking forward to this but not gonna be able to get it onto my iPod till next week.

I had overlooked Resident Advisor for a long time because of their constant harping on progressive, but after seeing this thread a while back I was motivated to go back and give it a second chance - just in time for the defection of the staff they had with any real scruples? Feh.

Anyway -

The Amé one is yoga flame for all time...

Anyone feeling overly generous and want to share this with me? I'd love to hear the Trickski mix too, and if you haven't heard his Beats In Space mix, it's well worth a listen. Nice slowed down throbbing dark and erotic techno with a touch of soul:

http://www.beatsinspace.net/audio/2008/jan22/bis012208part2.mp3

Thanks.

all the ra episodes are archived here shhh :

http://www.podfeed.net/episodes.asp?id=5782&ct=1

Thanks for the effort, but it looks like they just link to the RA archives, which for the most part are, you know, dead. They don't even provide a dead link to the Ame mix for some reason.

I can upload it the now if you want? Fact I'll just upload it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/131994981/2007-01-24_RA042_-_AME_.mp3.html

mark e is really great

Yer a helluva guy Jim.

I co-sign the above two statements.

I was listening to RA114 (Aeroplane) in the car this morning and didn't realize that I missed my exit by 10 or so miles.

^^^^^^great. whats the song @ about 36 mins or so where they keeping singing "had enough"?

Sorry Deej can't remember the answer to that but yeah how good is it!! Nice to see Aeroplane expanding into house music proper with their Shortwave Set remix, and the John Daly remix of Toby Tobias is just @_@

Don't know. The track listing for it is:

01. Fleet Foxes - White Winter Hymnal - Bella Union
02. Quixote Feat. Lisa Li-Lund - Before I Started to Dance (Prins Thomas Diskomiks) - Versatile
03. They Came From The Stars I Saw Them - Moon Song (Holy Ghost! Remix) - This Is Not An Exit
04. The Shortwave Set - Now Til 69 (Aeroplane Remix) - Wall Of Sound
05. Dolle Jolle - Balearic Incarnation (Todd Terje Mix) - Permanent Vacation
06. Eine Klein Nacht Muzik - La Serenissima - Modular Recordings
07. David Rubato - Circuit (Aeroplane Remix) - Institubes
08. Eddy Meets Yannah - Solid Ground (Crazy P Remix) - Solid Ground
09. Toby Tobias - The Feeling (John Daly Remix) - Rekids
10. Mugwump - Yajna - Disco 45/Kompakt
11. Bostro Pesopeo - Communquis - Permanent Vacation
12. Maelstrom - Enter The Cosmo (Sankt Goran & Erik Sidung Remix) - Solar Disco

the John Daly remix of Toby Tobias is just @_@

-- Tim F, Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:01 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

im guessing this is what it is? looks positioned right

deej, that's Eddy Meets Yannah - Solid Ground (Crazy P Remix).

aka crazy penis.

Can't wait to hear this one.

http://mnmlbeats.wordpress.com/tag/ra-mixe/

Archive ^^^

-- jim, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 19:43

gone:(

any leads on a new one? i've been looking without much luck

really loving the Portable/Bodycode one

New podcast is Black Dog doing an Underground Resistance mix! Tracklist:

01. Underground Resistance - Antimatter - Underground Resistance
02. Voice Of Electrifying Mojo
03. Underground Resistance - Afrogermanic - Underground Resistance
04. Underground Resistance - Mirage - Underground Resistance
05. Underground Resistance - Windchime - Underground Resistance
06. Underground Resistance - Talkin2Z - Underground Resistance
07. Underground Resistance - Final Frontier - Underground Resistance
08. Underground Resistance - In Or Out - Underground Resistance
09. Underground Resistance - Maroon - Underground Resistance
10. Underground Resistance - Death of My Neighbor - Underground Resistance
11. Underground Resistance - Baghdad Express - Underground Resistance
12. Underground Resistance - Inversions - Underground Resistance
13. Underground Resistance - Technology Gap - Underground Resistance
14. Underground Resistance - Antimatter - Underground Resistance
15. Underground Resistance - I Am UR - Underground Resistance
16. Underground Resistance - Tazumal - Underground Resistance
17. Underground Resistance - Hunting the Program - Underground Resistance
18. Underground Resistance - Toxic Broadcast - Underground Resistance
19. Underground Resistance - Detonate - Underground Resistance
20. Underground Resistance - Orbit (Black Dog edit) - Underground Resistance
21. Underground Resistance - Riot - Underground Resistance
22. Underground Resistance - Base Camp Alpha 808 - Underground Resistance
23. Underground Resistance - Entering Quadrant 5 - Underground Resistance
24. Underground Resistance - Adrenalin - Underground Resistance
25. Underground Resistance - Gamma Ray - Underground Resistance
26. Underground Resistance - Ambush - Underground Resistance
27. Underground Resistance - Sea Quake - Underground Resistance
28. Underground Resistance - Kill My Radio Station - Underground Resistance

!!!

That's what I thought!

best RA podcast in ages.
the fact its mix #123 for RA is not by chance i would suggest.

the numerological genius of ken downie

it's 123 = 100 + 23 which is the 10th sum of 10 plus the 10th prime number DO YOU SEE

1 + 2 + 3 = 6 DO YOU SEE?!?

mark e otm

they did a similar looking mix with rob hood tracks:

http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/tbd/?p=370

not sure i want to hear 21 hood bangers in a row but anyway!

sam500 fear not that hood mix is not all bangers ..

will check it out thanks. nighttime world was lushness.

derrick carter this week!

playing a bit of catch up for the past 2 months or so, but really diggin' the greg wilson one right now, which kind of surprised me.

holy crap MOTOR CITY SOOOOUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Yeah, that mix is lovely. Beautiful in fact. Best one for ages. Must listen again.

Anyone heard the Jus-Ed mix? Never heard of this guy but the tracklisting looks nice and chunky.

I'm up to the Mike Huckaby track on 'US deep house producer du jour' Jus Ed's podcast. Aside from the not entirely seamless mixes the selection is sweet (this doesn't bother me though). Prefering the more dubby side, the Benjamin Brunn track is WOW! It sounds like Porter Ricks. Motorcitysoul ain't doin' it for me.. maybe I will relisten because I am loving the Portable one a few weeks after.

motorcitysoul mix is a winner in my book

am I an insufferable snob for thinking that a "yacht rock" mix is a really bullshit thing to publish?

they need to "reissue" 1-50

am I an insufferable snob for thinking that a "yacht rock" mix is a really bullshit thing to publish

no.

insufferable snobs of the world, unite!

oh, i guess we already do, here on ilm.

i like me a bit of 'yacht rock' (hate that term) but a) not much point calling it a mix when there's no mixing and b) that's a pretty uninspired selection right there, yacht rock 101.

yes, weaksauce

I've seen the guy who mixed it in the pub near here more than once...therefore can't be good.

The RA thread for this new YR mix is hilarious. Some people have never heard the term before, are seemingly excited for "real" records as opposed to the faceless "deep house" rubbish that has been going the past few weeks. Here is my favorite quote: "Well, these tracks are still played and known some 20 years plus after they were penned. Doubt you will say that about a lot of the other music featured on the more recent podcasts."

I wonder why some of these people are ON RA at all!

sorry "rubbish" needs to be in quotes too.

heaven forbid even people who like techno actually have any respect for it

I WAS THERE ... when dj harvey dropped "how deep is your love" on a peak-time crowd

prins thomas played "love is in the air", in fact I think I've heard "love is in the air" a few times, todd terje and probably 2manydjs also.

yeah i don't care if you wanna forgo mixing, so long as the selections are strong. but there are some suuuuper obvious choices here.

i still must admit i enjoy listening to it

yacht rock is the soft serve space age rap of the beardo scene

yacht rock...
people have become so cynical that only the most cynical music can be perceived as authentic

i need to stop listening to these on my zen, they have seemed kinda dull and faceless(yeah yeah) lately. i've had a hard time getting through lee burridge's so i know it's me tripping. motorcitysoul was def. just boring, and i listened to it way more times than i wanted to

Aeroplane also played "Love Is In Air" when I saw them but I wasn't sure if they do that all the time or if it was just an Australian reference.

Most of the mixes are excellent in capturing what it would be like to hear someone out, but I dont think most people spend the time going through 1000 records to create a really artistic mix. I am fine with that.

i liked the yacht rock mix

sorry i didnt even hear it i just wanted to disagree with someone

^^board description

"motor city drum ensemble"

first impression: keep it deep(ly boring)

or maybe just deeply predictable?

danny howells poodcast is great.
previously i've only heard his miami mix, which never really did much for me, but i'm loving this.
cabaret voltaire. marvin gaye. led zepp.
insanely all over the place, and hugely enjoyable.

i picked this up completely by coincidence the week before that came out, so i wasn't that surprised by his selection. you should look into that set, he totally kills it, esp on the first disc which has a great stretch of awesome wild pitch tracks in the middle.

that cd looks pretty great.i must investigate to see how he gets iron butterfly in there, something i have been trying to do for eons.

by only using the drum break

i have that on vinyl -- i enjoy playing 'fire island'

vinyl isnt mixed obv

i saw villalobos play the iron butterfly track. he didn't exactly work it in though.

i sense iron butterfly edits

i have done one. i've just never managed to fit it into a set. yet.

i bet there is some breaks potential in "inna gadda da vida"...

and it could be turned into a total freak out as well. (as if it isn't already, but hey)

that drum break always reminds me of the 'drum solo!!' bit in weird al yankovics 'polka yr eyes out'. would be nice if someone could make an edit without it.

weird .. i had associated howells with run of the mill house gubbins (a la miami), but the RA podcast is making me re-evaluate his status (bear in mind i have never seen the man play out, nor followed his career closely). the segue from rockit into duck rock is just fantastic, so can well believe that choice mix being of worth.
ta for the pointer, will be keeping an eye out for that.

Anyone heard the recent Orb one? If so, does anyone think it is anything other than boring?

Yeah. Agreed. I thought it started UK - with what sounded like Markus Guentner but just seemed to go on a bit. Don't remember any of funny/quirky samples that used to really add to The Orb. A good ambient mix is a tough thing to do but you would've thought those that were custodians of the Land of Oz chill out room back in the day could've handled it.

Fine line between boring and interesting in ambient stuff, agreed.

got 20 minutes into the orb podcast then gave up.
just boring.

"motor city drum ensemble"

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:01 PM (4 weeks ago)

I gave up about 2/3 through..

the Orb's 2CD mix set Art of Chill is pretty spectacular. i'd recommend that over the RA mix.

somehow, the breitbarth mix has gotten me into dance music again.

surgeon?

Brinkmann?

On a bit of a roll at the moment, RA.

brinkmann's was v. enjoyable. as was disco bloodbath's.

brikmann's was really great and made me wish it was 2002 again

does anyone have a copy of the danny howells podcast? i missed that boat for some reason

i'll put it up

can still get it here i think http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EQBBCPKM

or here, i guess

thx dudez.

is there some type of archive for these?

i tht the disco bloodbath one was esp ace

anyone have the mark e one?

yep, will upload

here you go

is there some type of archive for these?

used to be a few, ie. most of them, over on archive.org, but recently they've all been wiped out, so i guess the powers that be stepped in.
shame as i intended to catch up on a few, but have mised out now.

RA Charts: Classic or Dud? I think a lot of the tracks there are not too interesting and have short life time.

I view them as a last resort. In theory a great way for DJ's to get new names out there, in reality a lot of lip service, self promotion, and fetishization of contemporariness. My advice is just don't even bother to try and digest all these things, it's about conquest most of the time anyways.

On that note, I think it would be a raucous fun to make DJ's select mixes from 6-7 years ago ala Brinkmann (When he played here it was one of the best nights out in my entire life), just to see how that would play out.

FACT Magazine playing RA at their own game with a tasty looking mix from Ben Klock: here

Uh oh, I thought I had these set to auto-download but I might not have. I have probably 110 of them archived, if anyone's looking for a particular one, let me know and I'll check.

Would really love to hear the Brinkmann one as well, if it's nae bother

joakim just did a FACT mix too. (xxp)

ITunes somehow managed to eat all my old Podcasts. I was bummed about the losing Dixon one, but at least his Body Language cd was pretty similar. The Twitch, Aeroplane and Motorcitysoul ones I will be trying to hunt down again.

I have probably 110 of them archived, if anyone's looking for a particular one, let me know and I'll check

i've been wanting to get ahold of the quiet village one actually- did you save that one per chance?

quiet village

I can upload the Cassy or M. Fulton RA's if anyone fancies - both good.

thanx again moonship.

oooh maurice fulton would be awesome- planning on catching him at the paradise lounge on friday.

if any of you want anything leonardo-ed let me know, i feel like i'm taking a whole lot and maybe not giving as much in return

if you like RA mixes, check this: http://sound.modelfruit.com/

fulton would be good!

2 Maurice's for ya, both very nifty.

RA: http://www.sendspace.com/file/1s2snq

Mix Show: http://www.sendspace.com/file/00xm44

The latter was a Japan only release I picked up last year. Plus I can't get enough of that Randy Crawford tune in the RA mix (followed by the spacey mid-tempo house tune after it). I need to be signed up to his podcast.

hell yes this is wonderful

like what i've heard so far of the quiet village mix, tho i thought they'd be mixing a little more

quiet village one is really really good....it's my cooking mix

Celestine Okwu - Okwukwe Na Nchekwube - Soundway

LOVE this 'nigeria special' track from the qv mix, think i also used it in a mix of some type last year

what about the prins thomas and aeroplane mixes? are they good?

Yes

Also, unlike the people upthread, I loved the Orb one - really beautiful, if not unexpected, mix. Partial tracklist lifted from RA site below:

15:50 - 18:00: The Orb - Snow Bow
18:00 - 27:45: Gas - Gas 2
33:00 - 39:00: Justus Köhncke & Fred Heimermann - Albatros
43:00 - ?: Ulf Lohmann - Nicht Die Welt

aeroplane: http://www.sendspace.com/file/hywdb0

FACT's Ben klock mix a bit so so by his standard, his bodytonic one from last year is much better

does anyone have the steffi mix? i seem to have lost it. that one was a classic

I have, but got to go. Will upload tomorrow if no-one else has.

Steffi mix: http://www.sendspace.com/file/a6xtzb

thankign you

FACT Magazine playing RA at their own game with a tasty looking mix from Ben Klock: here

― sam500, Wednesday, 4 March 2009

they really need to make these actual Podcasts like RA though, and not this half-assed cheapskate YSI bullshit.

then I can then listen in my kitchen off t'wifi radio, with the bastard PC turned off for a bit you see....

everyone playing RA at that game by now...

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/images/stories/record/factmix32-tes-la-rok.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/g0opay

01. Benga & LD - 3 Phase (Dub)

02. The Others - 5 Knuckle (Dub)

03. Joker & Ginz - Purple City (Dub)

04. Distinction - Fly High (Dub)

05. Tes La Rok - Wah Do Dem (Dub)

06. Subscape - Lion Skank (Dub)

07. Mungos Hi-Fi - Wikidness [Tes La Rok Remix] (Dub)

08. LD - Yes Yes (Dub)

09. Tes La Rok - Bwooy (Forthcoming on Noppa)

10. Subeena - Perception (Dub)

11. Desto - untitled (Dub)

12. Tes La Rok - wormhole (Dub)

13. TRG - Brixton Project (Dub)

14. Unknown - Unknown (white)

15. Rico Tubbs - Gansters [Tes La Rok Remix] (Forthcoming on Menu Music)

16. Jack Murda & Junior Murvin [Tes La Rok Remix] (Dub)

17. Tes La Rok - We Nah Run (Dub)

everyone playing RA at that game by now...

― Local Garda, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 18:31 (4 hours ago) Bookmark

since Ronan's too shy, here's what he's talking about, a dope new Roman Flugel mix on his blog:

http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/03/04/hiaf-guest-mix-12-roman-flugel/

shit! that looks really good!

except for the krömer glasses.

"I tried to mix my first records around ´87 .."

looks like he should have been doing his homework in 87, that, or i need to use more moisturiser to smooth out my stress creases.

no I actually meant more that the whole podcast/mix thing is sort of ubiquitous. obv it's great but it no longer says much about the source. I feel this way about dance crit in general of late tho. thanks for the link all the same.

aeroplane: http://www.sendspace.com/file/hywdb0

― all-seeing eye of horus (psychgawsple), Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:26 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

thanks!

I think the Brinkmann is great - especially after repeated listens. But I could really do without the voice-over on the Jay Denham track.

would really like to hear the prins thomas one also, if possible. i've been loving his mystery mix to pieces as of late

think this link still works - http://depositfiles.com/en/files/2066740

Sigh, just when I think I'm at the edge of being able to manage RA podcasts I need to listen to they go ahead and pull something like this.

DJ KOZE

KOZE PEOPLE OH JESUS

ok so maybe i'm a little overexcited but I've been waiting for Koze to do a mix for them for ages

pretty good.

The Koze mix is as good as I'd hoped. NSI track is lovely.

Also enjoying the Pendle Coven offering over at FACT very much - especially when it turns a bit feisty at the end (sorry- not trying to turn this into the unofficial FACT mag thread but they have been mining a similar furrow of late, mix wise).

We need a totally unconstructive and pointless Resident Advisor vs FACT poll really.

playing halo 3 on xbox would win that poll

Maybe a 'winner takes all' poll of all the big mix podcasts is needed

the Culoe de Song is awesome, i think. but the rest of yall seem pretty boo on african house shit, so whatever.

resident advisor >>>> FACT mixes

the classic mix site was d-i-r-t-y.net, that site was so f'ing dope and way ahead of its time.

here's the new website: http://www.d-i-r-t-y.com/

but i can't find the "mixes archive" anywhere

They occasionally post a mix on their mp3 blog, http://www.alainfinkielkrautrock.com/. I've got a folder of 20 or so DIRTY mixes saved over the last few years, I can hook you up with them if you're interested.

I can't stop listening to Surgeon's mix! I think it's my favourite RA podcast ever ...

^^ditto

yo i kept on repping Surgeon a couple of years ago and all these people i knew were like, 'whuh?' and now the awesome podcast has provd my point valid.

I've been totally set on him since the glade festival liveset someone posted here a year ago. They are a thing of wonder.