Your favourite TYPE of popular contemporary Dance Music out of these genres/styles

Where would I tick for nu rave?

see the Best Rock thread

OH NO DO NOT MAKE ME CHOOSE BETWEEN R&B AND HOUSE

though i don't understand these categories at all, really.

what's not to understand?

remember the 'House or Techno: choose one' thread? it's a bit like that, but with more choices.

is "hip pop" even a genre?

is hip hop dance music?

No dubstep :(

Yes, I know you said popular.

House.

Hip Pop is a more accurate description of R&B than R&B.

Trance, even though I can't stand listening to it anymore, I used to like it so much :( so I voted for it.

y no idm

"popular" "contemporary"

precisely arf

end of discussion

i'm calling all IDM 'Warptronic' these days.

i voted for trance

pashmina and strongo - what's your favourite trance track?

Speaking only as a part-time casual trance fan I don't see how it could be anything other than Gouryella by Gouryella.

went for house. not much of a cop nowadays but then that wasn't what your question was about.

i did want it to be 'vote based on which one you like best NOW' tho

"sandstorm" obviously

argh

or DJ SAMMY

is "cafe del mar" trance?

I don't get it... What has disco do with punk? Are "jazz-funk" and "disco-punk" meant to denote single genres, or is it "jazz/funk" and "disco /punk"?

man, dfa needs a better distribution deal in finland...

i was going to vote in this poll, but then i decided not to

thanks for keeping us abreast, as always

hah until strongo's post i was about to ask if 'sandstorm' is trance

in college that song got played at EVERY russian suite party

that's a shame 696, maybe you prefer the more cerebral 'best track on this album' or 'best album that came out THIS year according to the Daily Mail and some amazing pigeons' polls. scoff scoff.

is "cafe del mar" trance?

i'd lump it in there as the lighter side of trance - it's pizz strings breakdown is just too epic to be prog-house

i was going to vote in this poll, but then I decided not to

when good people stop caring democracy has failed. this poll may stave off another vital poll for minutes to come.

Is "dico-punk" the same as "dance-punk"? If so, I think the latter name is much better, or at least the tunes I've heard have had very little to do with disco. And why is "jazz-funk" listed as a "contemporary dance music genre"? Have I missed a revival?

you have missed many things apparently

Picked dancehall.

"What it is you feel elevates your choice above the others"

It's actually still good.

what makes it still good?

i think 'Sandstorm' is as close to Hard House as it is to Trance but few songs escape such overlapping.

So there is a jazz-funk revival?

i think 'Sandstorm' is as close to Hard House as it is to Trance

reason being 'Sandstorm's vague similarity to something like the Pump Panel mix of New Order's 'Confusion' which was the template a lot of Hard House from mid 90s onwards.

So there is a jazz-funk revival?

no there isn't. but there should be.

Jamiroquai is still popular.

it's all jazz-funk at the end of the day

esp. Herbert lol

I voted for hip hop because it's the only thing I ever hear at clubs or where-ever else you go to dance. But I live in America.

"what makes it still good?"

A 40+ year lineage of music to fall back when you run out of new ideas.

the lack of BLOG HOUSE on this list is an oversight

no it was a conscious decision based on sound judgement

A 40+ year lineage of music to fall back when you run out of new ideas.

so 40 is better than 25?

more hooks to recycle

for the benefit of Tuomas the archetypal popular contemporary Disco-Punk track is either 'Let's Make Love And Listen Death From Above' or 'House Of Jealous Lovers' depending on whether it's an odd or even hour of the day.

So disco-punk is the same as those indie tunes with a dance beat that were popular among hipsters a while ago? I still can't see any connection to actual disco...

what is a shoelace?

we dont have them in finland

omg next you'll be saying you don't see the connection between modern so-called R&B and actual Blues or Soul!

"so 40 is better than 25?"

15 years better, yes. Hip-hop would be my second choice obv. I just don't find it as exciting as dance music as dancehall is.

this 'the older a genre is the more chance it has of staying fresh' suggestion is intriguing.

Well I wouldn't say it holds true for ALL genres, but dancehall's drive to continuously innovate combined with it's constant revisionism/recycling of Jamaica's musical past is a killer combination.

i heard some recent Wayne Wonder stuff (oh noes, The Wayne Wonder Stuff) the other week and it sounded well good.

omg next you'll be saying you don't see the connection between modern so-called R&B and actual Blues or Soul!

Lets put it this way: "disco-punk" sounds like it's actually a hybrid between disco and punk (like "jazz-funk"), which it clearly isn't. Plus I wouldn't want the good name of disco to be sullied by some awful indie hipsters.

which it clearly isn't.

i think you're dead wrong here. to me the connection is very clear.

I voted for trance, too. The psychedelic subgenres (goa, prog, psy ambient/chill) are probably the dance music styles I collect the most.

Just today I've been listening to Prana's Geomantik. "Alien Pets" and "Primal Orbit", wow.

Well, to me it sounds more like indie mixed with contemporary club beats (which of course are influenced by disco, but it's not the same thing) rather than punk mixed with disco.

I don't hear much punk in much disco-punk, tbh.

However, in terms of NOW (or the last few years), I would definitely vote for it.

take the vocals and punky twangs off 'Let's Make Love...' and it's debts to the likes of 'Do The Hustle' and 'Ma Quale Idea' become more apparent. take the vocals off 'HOJL' and slow it down a bit and you're just a hop and skip from Psycho Killer Lane. in both cases however the 'disco' prefix is recognition that this stuff is taking influence from both late 70s styles in equal measure. or at least that's the idea(l).

wtf have these songs got to do with 'indie' (which barely exists now in the way it did in the past) in comparison? very little apart from a possible parallel with Happy Mondays (theoretically if not quite in practice) in terms of drawing influence from disco via house

i don't hear much hall in dancehall, or Blues in So-Called R&B zzz

Yeah, why IS Jazz-Funk there, steve?

Are you having a sly pop at lindstrom et al?

damn i wish i had thought of that

Jazz-funk is there because Maroon 5 have a new album out, and because some people last week said they liked Mr Scruff.

as a folkie, i voted hip-hop

this thread is rhetorical self harm

"do you exshpect me to like it?"

"no Mr Bond i expect you to post anyway!"

this thread is rhetorical self harm.

are there any trance songs about self-harm?

someone post that news report on emo

i voted for gullytronica

Both "R&B" and "Hip-Hop" are revolting and fundamentally racist industry designations.

Hip-Hop is really "Rap".

Real Hip-Hop is a culture, originally involving DJing, MCing, Breakdance and Graffiti, an now includes other lifestyle things like clothes and language. When it became clear that you could only sell music and not graffiti or breakdancing, the industry appropriated the term to sell records. Every time you use the term to describe Rap music, you are disrespecting the breakdancers and graffiti artists that made the whole thing gel together in the first place.

I have discussed my take on the term "R&B" here before with mixed results, but the quick version is that it is basically just another code word for "Race Music".

I voted for House music because I still put out the occasional House 12" and I still remember when it excited me, which was actually long before it had a name.

Hip-Hop used to excite the absolute shit out of me but again, that was a long time ago. I still like some Rap music an awful lot and I always rep for the Arsonists, because that is TRUE hip-hop. Those guys are still out tagging trains and are off the chain old skool. Big up Bushwick!

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I went for drum n bass, but if there's been an oldskool hardcore option I would've ticked it without hesitation. I also love a fair ammount of hip hop/r&b, but hardly ever go out dancing to it. Breaks and dancehall are good too. Trance can go fuck itself.

if you were to ask which of the genres above are in the best shape at the movement compared to some median of its historical shape i would probably go for techno actually. with r&b peaking sometime in the early 00s, hip hop either in the early 90s (underground) or the early 00s (overground), house in the late 90s, hardcore in the early 90s, trance in the mid-to-late 90s, jungle/dnb in the mid 90s, disco-punk in the early 80s, jazz-funk in the late 70s, electro...eh...never, ditto with breaks, and, as said earlier, ragga/dancehall being in some weird state of constant greatness for the last 15 years or so.

How you feel about categorisation these days as a dj of dance music

i only categorize by bpm and softness/hardness. i.e. "let's make love and listen to death from above" works fine with uptempo dancehall but Kompakt-ish techno in the same bpm does not even though the bpm happens to be the same. i try to categorize as little as possible, "free you mind" and all that jazz. as a general rule i find that people who don't know jack about music tend to be obsessed with genre tags while those in the know tend to not give a fuck.

Where is blog house??

If only Hi-NRG were a "contemporary" genre.

i voted for gullytronica

Yeah why is this not listed? Thanks, that shit made me laugh.

cause gully's not a genre, it's a feeling, a vibe. it's that vibe you get when you're getting freaky in a safe environment.

it should be Blog Dance, not Blog House

but you can't build a genre on nu-rave remixes alone

Both "R&B" and "Hip-Hop" are revolting and fundamentally racist industry designations.

this seems quite absurd

fern gullytronica

getting freaky in a safe environmentalism

Both "R&B" and "Hip-Hop" are revolting and fundamentally racist industry designations.

this seems quite absurd

Care to elaborate? Maybe you just don't understand.

i voted for gullytronica

Yeah why is this not listed? Thanks, that shit made me laugh.

-- Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:30 PM

cause gully's not a genre, it's a feeling, a vibe. it's that vibe you get when you're getting freaky in a safe environment.

-- moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:37 PM

Note to self, stay out of the dance threads, the people are thick.

Dumbass, I get the joke! I was just showing my appreciation (in a very obvious way I might add) for someone making me laugh during a particularly trying day.

I should thank you too because your earnest effort to define "gully" also made me laugh.

:O

weird poll options, so 'ragga-related' i guess.

but you can't build a genre on nu-rave remixes alone

argh! that's not all there is to it.

This thread needs pictures of cats doing funny things.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/222/493914579_ef03a3e787_o.gif

Yo this one is my avatar so don't bite my shit:

http://i.mynicespace.com/11/1141.gif

nice use of "rap" lingo, my man

it was meant with loving irony...

nonono... I know that avatar anyway... and that ain't irony, loving or otherwise. Suckah!

Saxby currently has a bigger hole in the ground than any poster on ILM for at least the last several months.

There'll be no way to know but I wonder how many people who would otherwise choose "minimal" or "electro-house" will chose "house" and how many will choose "techno".

whoa whoa whoa, saxby D! what's with the hostility? sounds like you need to learn about getting nasty with your friends in a nonsexual way.

kill the whiteness inside homey, then hit me back.

Saxby currently has a bigger hole in the ground than any poster on ILM for at least the last several months.

What does this mean?! Why you trackin me like that anyway? I don't give a fuck about who you are and what bullshit you write.

I was just kidding around about "biting my avatar", doesn't take a genius to figure that out, does it? I mean it's just some tinyurls shit or something, that was a joke.

And one thing I know is I ain't no suckah, sucka. I been at all this shit longer than mosta your bitch asses. I don't know why you bringing "sexual" into this, I am a 45 year-old straight man with kids. What have I said that is "sexual"? I find this part fascinating.

Yo, moonship, keep it gully!

poll does not compute

techno

house

no, techno

no, house

"If only Hi-NRG were a "contemporary" genre."

it is!

i think my vote would go for low energy though.

http://www.fredschoeneman.com/archives/catsup.bmp

If it were, we would have an "Evelyn Thomas C/D" thread going on.

Gotta give it up to the Hi-NRG shit of the day.

Problem is, and I hate to be for real about this, but a lot of the fans of that genre have passed on. RIP to some of my friends who would stay out at the Saint until Sunday at 5PM. They were the soldiers of many a genre.

hey where did the sup cat go?

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8875/47014526kx8.th.jpg

dammit

That would be electro. Particularly the electro pop of the likes of Madonna, Kylie Minogue, Annie etc, where the dance beats doen't get in the way of the tunes.

Always dnb. House and Techno also on the podium but miles behind.

if you were to ask which of the genres above are in the best shape at the movement compared to some median of its historical shape i would probably go for techno actually. with r&b peaking sometime in the early 00s, hip hop either in the early 90s (underground) or the early 00s (overground), house in the late 90s, hardcore in the early 90s, trance in the mid-to-late 90s, jungle/dnb in the mid 90s,

Disagree regarding dnb - now is the time! The last 18 months or so have seen a staggering quality of music coming out (and also a staggering quantity of dross, but that's always been the way). This is a better period that the halcyon days of 1995 and I never thought I would say that...

can u recommend me an unmixed recent dnb comp? praise be upon you

Well it depends what you like - to me there's a lot of anonymous "liquid" or overpowering funkless fuckstep. But I'd recommend:

Metalheadz Drum'n'Bass Headhunterz - "Decibel Ridge" by D-Bridge is a master.

MDZ.05 ( from late 2005) - Check Drifter "Sunseeker" and D.Kay "Tuning"

Marcus Intalex presents Dat: Music Vol 1 - Calibre is unstoppable

Mistical presents Eleventh Hour

or harder things:

Renegade Hardware presents "Above the Game"
Horsemen present "Revelations"

and loads of indivdual tracks (quite a lot of dubplate action creeping around on slsk - search anyone Brazilian!!) - try Marky and Makoto - Love Again, Vicious Circle - Welcome to Shanktown EP, anything by Spirt.

My problem (after not listening to any dnb for a period) was checking for people I knew before - sadly if you're checking for people like Photek or J Majik nowadays you'll be sorely disappointed. Try some newer producers like Noisia, Deep Inc, Break, Survival, State of Mind and you'll find plenty to keep you occupied...

erm, that's "masterpiece"

bump

dont bump

but i put in jazz-funk just for you

I voted 'techno' because I think Orbital and Plaid are techno.

i voted gabba because my hand slipped when i was reaching for a spring onion

i prefer 1930s spring onions

i have a feeling gabba is gonna make a comeback any time soon.

also if you thought breaks had no edge anymore, i suggest you check out far too loud - shredder (funkatech). that track destroys me every time!

i have to be honest with you guys, there was no spring onion.

also, the chemical brothers. they're techno.

i mean, house would've had a shout if I knew any of the artists, but to be honest I enjoy house purely as something to dance to and absorb on a night out. further enthusiasm will have to wait.

i voted breaks, whatever they may be.

waht is your favorite Breaks track?

christ what do you want from this thread blueski

is it just "hey could everyone make me a comp of everything they like in their genre and send it to my house" yet again

cos if so don't act like ur provoking "discourse"

ha ha, no...

what i want here is pretty straightfoward - to see which idea of dance music (out of these) is most popular on ILM, because i'd like to get a better sense of ILM tastes these days. this is a v basic and not entirely conclusive way of doing that of course but it's a start. my suggestions above the poll options are worth considering also tho, no?

and it's interesting* to see reactions to the choices. people seem reluctant to pigeonhole Dance Music (altho there was more confusion/disdain on the rock version) or at least would rather consider a hundred styles rather than just ten or less.

*relatively - like more interesting than voting for albums within years, or music writers spending more time talking about other music writers views than music itself etc.

you forgot freak folk, did you not see yesterdays daily mail or sommething?

you're losing me ILM, you're losing me...

Techno is what I regard as good, electronic-based music that relies upon simple rhythmic repetitions, great synth harmonies, and the occasional sonic surprise in order to induce dancing. Such music is, I find, the best for such inductions. It is distinct from house because I can compartmentalise it into 'albums' and 'songs', and thus treat a techno record much like a rock record.

I realise that as I mature, this attitude will probably disperse, and the wonders of a good house set will overcome such slavish adhesions to rank and file. Nonetheless, when it comes to music that I can not only enjoy but also define and analyse, techno is the winner.

Answered your question OK?

Kinda wish you hadn't tho because that perspective of what differentiates Techno from House is quite silly.

I don't think he really needs to be schooled tho. The idea of LJ getting on a house kick and wanking over Theo Parrish is perhaps quite amusing but I don't know if my mind is ready for it yet.

ffs ILM you are so secure in your knowledge of ultimate truth, where's the tolerance for those who wish to learn?

first we tell you you are wrong
then we explain why

we should make a House comp for Louis (and a Techno one for that matter) - not on this thread tho.

awesome. currently my knowledge of both is limited but enthusiastic, so i'm all ears.

It is distinct from house because I can compartmentalise it into 'albums' and 'songs', and thus treat a techno record much like a rock record.

albums? i dunno any techno albums

i cant really tell the difference between techno and house it all sounds like stacey pullen to me

orbital, 'in sides', 'middle of nowhere', plaid, 'double figure', any one of 2 or 3 by the chemical brothers, are these not techno?

we should make a House comp for Louis (and a Techno one for that matter) - not on this thread tho.

nah someone should just give him some drugz, he'll get it

(not volunteering)

the least interesting part of this thread is the poll

good that's how all poll threads should be.

orbital, 'in sides', 'middle of nowhere', plaid, 'double figure', any one of 2 or 3 by the chemical brothers, are these not techno?

-- Just got offed, Monday, May 28, 2007 5:35 P

no

lex, i 'get' techno and house, i just don't know what the songs are called so i have no point of reference.

what are they then, gar3th?

shit?

oh they didnt spell like that did they? i think the correct spelling was 'electronica'

i'm off for a bite to eat, hopefully stevem will have settled your hash by the time i return

Techno is what I regard as good, electronic-based music that relies upon simple rhythmic repetitions, great synth harmonies, and the occasional sonic surprise in order to induce dancing. Such music is, I find, the best for such inductions. It is distinct from house because I can compartmentalise it into 'albums' and 'songs', and thus treat a techno record much like a rock record.

oops

orbital, 'in sides', 'middle of nowhere', plaid, 'double figure', any one of 2 or 3 by the chemical brothers, are these not techno?

you're talking about artists who've co-opted ideas behind Techno with other ideas (esp. with the Chems who are have been just as influenced by funk, indie-rock, psychedelia, electro, acid house, trance, hip hop and other things as much as techno and this reflects in their work) and all represent more the 'home listening' side of Techno rather than the strictly dancefloor-orientated side of it that emanated from the States and then continental Europe before the UK. just search Techno and House on ILM for countless threads/recommendations of 'the real deal'.

Electronica was excluded from the poll for being too nebulous (but I still like and defend the term...and often the music...)

^^^ be wary of this persons posts, LJ

options for a 2007 poll should have been more like

beardo/spacedisco
minimal
nurave
bloghouse LOL
drum'n'bass
whatever that post-streets 'im in the ldn' shit is

i'm still not sure what 'beardo/spacedisco' is meant to be

could've done a House-only version of this poll:

Electrohouse
Tech-House
Microhouse/Minimal
'Fidget'
the style of music affectionately referred to by some press office wags as Blog House
Classic/Oldskool (inc. Piano-hook, Italo-House)
Deep
Progressive
Funky US
Funky UK/Euro
Filter-Disco
French-Disco
Jazzy
SMASH

orbital are blatantly techno, they never 'co-opted ideas' from it, just went as you say into a more home-listeningy kind of direction. chemical brothers are not techno.

orbital are blatantly techno, they never 'co-opted ideas' from it, just went as you say into a more home-listeningy kind of direction.

Satan
Quality Seconds
Planet Of The Shapes
The Box
Times Fly
Style
Waving Not Drowning
Tootled
Meltdown
Dwr Budr
I Wish I Had Duck Feet

and on and on

this is all relative really. i mean, house music these days (not funky house and that shit with scantily-clad blondes miming on Bubble Hits) has so much in common with electro and techno it may as well be one of those. I'd call Justice, Gabriel Ananda and Michael Mayer House, but really they're not very House at all.

Techno to me means the colder, darker shit. An aversion to wailing divas, piano triads and general flounciness. Stuff like Jeff Mills, Richie Hawtin, early Aphex Twin etc is pure Techno. But then Orbital are also Techno in my mind and they can be quite pretty.

Plaid used to be black dog who were ambient techno but i'd call them IDM*. chems started out being lumped into big beat and trip hop but then got labelled "electronica" by the US press (i don't like the term "electronica" unless it is used to mean any electronic music in general).

*"i hate the term idm, it implies that other dance music is stupid and anyway you can't dance to it" - Everyone in the fucking world for the millionth time.
"no it doesn't, yes you can" - me :-)

srsly why do people hear Justice as House? have they even made a 4/4 track ever? it's not as if Daft Punk were 100% House ten years ago or on 'Discovery'.

woah, this is one of the weirdest discussions on dance music i've seen in a while. wherez yo headz?

also, it always astounds me that there are still lots of dnb freaks out there.

i voted techno. either that or deep house is what gets me excited.

why weird?

grozart, you don't follow today's techno, and it is obvious.

weird? because it sort of seems like people are talking as much about the past as right now, when the thread title reads "contemporary." that and some of these categories are a bit off-- jazz-funk should really be replaced with space/beardo (in my mind), and deep-house should really be up there. the number of people listening to Deep House in 2007 definitely beats the number of people who are still really into gabba.

i mean, just flip through the DJ Nights section of any paper, or even go into a dance record store, and there's tons more contemporary Deep House than contemporary Hardcore/Gabba.

hmm ... you must not live in the netherlands

that's sound advice

i think you have a point in that today there is so much fragmentation that the inclusive terms above do not mean so much today. critics and whoever can refer to increasingly narrow/marginal styles and scene names which operate like branches of the above terms.

i do not yet recognise "space/beardo" as an official subgenre - is it listed in any magazines? anything 4/4 in that vein i'd stick under House, anything else is Jazz-Funk ;) just keeping it simple you understand...

But Deep House is a subset of House obviously. I don't recall ever noticing anyone on ILM keener on Gabba/Hardcore stuff more than anything else but one lives in hope.

we need a Gabba Geir who tediously insists that if it's not 180bpm+, risks accusations of fascism and gives you a nosebleed just 4 seconds in then it's rubbish.

Steve seriously what crack pipe are you smoking on this thread?

But Deep House is a subset of House obviously

yeah so just fucking leave it out, as if within house there can be no opposing sounds.

i do not yet recognise "space/beardo" as an official subgenre - is it listed in any magazines? anything 4/4 in that vein i'd stick under House, anything else is Jazz-Funk ;) just keeping it simple you understand...

that's the right kind of thinking. i hate people who divide and and conquer. united we stand!

oh look an Angry Ronan

what about all the opposing sounds in Hip-Hop, Indie-Rock etc. - does it stop people referring to them as unified set of sounds/ideas? NOPE

what about all the opposing sounds in "music", or the many opposing factions under the umbrella of "things".

is it listed in any magazines?

well, no. usually in a magazine it's designated as disco/funk, or something dumbo like that.

they are totally irrelevant here imo (xp)

technically Deep House is not a subset of House. Deep House was the term that was used to describe pre-house music from the early 80s, and basically disco, for at least a few years before Deep House came to mean house music that draws from those sources. For instance, when I was first getting into the stuff, Let No Man Put Asunder, Touch and Go, Together Forever etc was all "Deep House".

ok

1. i'm not sure what any of these genres mean any more. they were invented up to two decades ago and have since shifted and changed and blended together it's impossible to discern them.

2. what the fucking fuck is beardo/space?

Beards cannot grow in space.

xpost. Don't be so Tuomas/Lexy. There's a whole Beardo thread on ILM if you really care.

it has about a billion answers on it though jim. also, what is tuomas/lexy?

Asking what something is or stating that you are unfamiliar with something when a quick search of ILX or even just a google could elucidate things for you.

Although I just realised that googling beard house is fairly futile.

yeah - i did try! is it really a genre or something that ilx has made up? is it like, amorphous androgynous or what?

grozart, beardo/space in the contemporary context is:
Lindstrom/Prins Thomas collabs, Idjut Boys, most anything from Whatever We Want Records (Quiet Village, Map of Africa), a lot of the stuff on Bear Funk (Lexx, Michoacan, etc).

space disco is quite old tho, so eh.

ok man, cheers for that. must say i've never heard a single thing by any of those apart from one idjut boys track that i really liked... "underwater" i think it was? or maybe it wasn't even by them.

a good summation of the beardo aesthetic can be found on the Beats in Space site...Nov. 3rd 2005 mix from Carlos and Quiet Village.

really a fantastic mix, imo..

much better then the dan selzer plays early industrial/post-punk synth stuff on beats in space. or at least I assume, as that doesn't happen untill tonight.

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thanks for reminding me to turn images off

cool

The results seem to match pretty well the amount these styles get talked about on ILM ratio-wise.

I voted Electro because of what I hear as it's distinct pervasive influence on House, Pop, Rap and indeed Rock music, whether by a slow burn process or specific period of revivalism, this decade. And because I like the vibes of it.

so.... house and techno are the most popular dance genres?

*takes notes*

grozart if you really want to get a handle on the beardo / space disco thing it's basically a continuation of cosmic disco as practiced in club cosmic in italy during the disco heyday.

everything goes in, dancing comes out

but isn't beardo/cosmic more to actual disco/proto-house what trip-hop/IDM is to actual hip-hop/techno, i.e. more chill-out/headphone music than the soundtrack to freaking out? i think so. it's great for what it is though.

i don't know, the beardo producers do some tight mixes

although yes it seems to all be -120 bpm

yeah it depends, I've seen people freak out to Prins Thomas "Fehrara" but there's some pot smokin' slo-mo jazz fusion stuff that falls under the umbrella too

you can also mix fehrara in with old chicago records and it fits really nice. 122bpm

I think there is a separation between the beardo/cosmic hipster stuff and the more functional track based nu-disco stuff. I have been enjoying 40 Thieves, Disques Sinthomme, Barfly on Rong, the environ/escort related material and a handful of good random edit records. I definitely think there is a line between this stuff that is modern dance music with retro window dressing and the "ironic" balearic throwback that seems to be gain ground at the moment.

It depends on who is doing and where they are coming from. I have a problem with a lot of this stuff because it just seems so steeped in obscurity and irony. I have far less patience for the hipster/record nerd aspect of beardo than I do for the DJ/producer angle. I just can't stand the intentional silliness of some of the mixes I've heard. I just get this feeling of closet indie snobs subconsciously thinking: haha I get dance music too, haha isn't it great to dabble in this fake music.

I think there is a separation between the beardo/cosmic hipster stuff and the more functional track based nu-disco stuff.

well yeah but a lot of times I don't know where it is. like the title of the thread is "not idjuts / lindstrom" but the latest lindstrom track is a cover of vangelis "let it happen" which is like nu-beardo canon.

I guess what you call the "hipster/record nerd aspect" I appreciate as crate digging, and I don't see that much irony in it .... then again I am a record nerd and I like Daniel Wang and some of the more e-z listening stuff about equally

I respect digging. What I don't respect is when music appreciation becomes the sonic equivalent of comic book collecting. I don't like it when I hear a set and I feel like I am listening to a DJ show off his sweet collection of Marvel obscurities. I respect people digging up great records that are rare but inherently great rather than records that are obscure for a reason but obscure from a fashionably correct time period.

I am thinking of people on myspace that go crazy for a shitty italo pop obscurity that isn't good at all. It isn't even the second rate stuff, it is just cheesy garbage. They go on about some mp3 like they have uncovered some lost holy italo grail. It produces zero visceral reaction, there isn't anything clever or funky about it. It just makes me wonder if these guys have ever really gotten off on a good dance gig.

I am sorry if you feel that I was taking a shot at you, I wasn't.

not at all, just discussing

I agree w/ your latest post

the previous one I interpreted as saying something along the lines of "no one could like Alan Parsons Project [insert other beardo revival names here] except ironically" ... which ain't the case

"inherently great" is kind of a weird measuring stick for records though. I know what yer saying but I guess I give a little benefit of the doubt and just think "some people are way too into italo"

display name...I agree with you most of the time, but I also feel like its to easy to say that when very often, people are just playing what they like and what turns them on. Everybody is more forgiving of their little pet genres and for every DJ who's just showing off some obscurity, there's another who genuinely likes it, even if you think it's cheesy garbage.

Noooo, DnB got shafted!

no contemporary dance as in MERCE CUNNINGHAM.

re-poll oh wait!

i voted for jazz funk