Shirley Collins. Classic. Dud is not an option here, I'm afraid.

I've never heard For as Many As Will. I remember seeing it when I worked in a record shop years ago; no-one bought it or played it much, and because I was a teenage idiot I never even bothered to check it - or any of her other stuff - out myself. I was totally wrong and foolish and am making up for it now. I think there are some musicians that you can't really appreciate until certain things have happened to you, and she is one of those. For me, anyways.

http://www.thebeesknees.com/bk-sc-box-set.htm

Incidentally, Shirley now has her own web site.

I don't know what may have primed me for Shirley Collins, perhaps some slight study into Child ballads and a lifelong affection for Jean Ritchie--whose two volumes of British Traditional Ballads in the Southern Mountains (on Folkways, sadly out of print) are extraordinary. Unaccompanied ballad singing so perhaps an acquired taste. I would also recommend Harry Cox and Texas Gladden *and* it's useful to pay attention to the folk motifs in RV Williams and Britten (Williams and Cox and Gladden are some of Shirley's heroes). Ii think these artists are more proximate to Shirley's aesthetic as any of the britfolk artists who are routinely namechecked here.

For As Many As Will is the last album the Collins sisters recorded. I think Shirley had actually announced her retirement prior to making the album, but something (temporarily) postponed that decision. I recognize that Anthems in Eden and The Power of the True Love Knot may be more important albums, but I treasure this one perhaps above the others for reasons I couldn't begin to explain. This is the only album on which Shirley sings a contemporary song, "Never Again" by R. Thompson. But that's not necessarily a highlight. "The Blacksmith Courted Me" and "The Moon Shines Bright" are remarkable, I like the unabashed "recital" quality of Shirley's singing here. "Gilderoy" is I think one of the sisters' major achievements.

I found the article in the Wire fascinating to learn of Shirley's roots in the CP's people's song movement, I could have guessed I suppose.

msphinx: Shirley's version of "Lord Gregory" is on Folk Roots, New Routes.

Then there is the Folkways LP of nothing but versions of The Unfortunate Rake/The Streets of Laredo/One Morning in May/When I was a Cowboy. You really don't need to hear folklorists sing, but the liner notes are ace.

Dolly's sea shanties project, "We Have Fed Our Seas," was a collaboration with Peter Bellamy of the Young Tradition. It hasn't been recorded yet to my knowledge. An earlier collaboration, "The Transports," is available on CD but I haven't heard it. I agree that Dolly's voice is charming; there's something ecstatic about the moment when Shirley takes over, their voices seem in such close accord.

One more thing: Anyone interested in Shirley and Dolly's music should try out the Voice of the People series on Topic Records. This was the major field recording/compiling projects of the English folk revival and made available something close to the full spectrum of folk music from the British Isles--somewhat akin to Alan Lomax's Southern Journey project. All of VotP has been reissued on CD. A wonderful English web site called Musical Traditions features very informed (you might say partisan) reviews of this sort of thing. They have a part of their site devoted to VotP with lots of information.

Shirley is I think my favorite singer and performer of all time. A better scholar than I should really take up the task of assessing her life's work. One fascinating thing about it is the way she combines an intense respect for and understanding of sundry traditional styles (ballad singing, "early music," art song) but combines these styles in such a way that is absolutely sui generis. It is a very selfconscious appropriation and mixture of different aspects of British musical heritage, but it works beautifully through the force of Shirley's taste and talent and that of her collaborators -- foremost among them Dolly Collins, but also including David Munrow (R.I.P.) and the London Early Music Consort, whose own records (there are many) are worth seeking out (=gross understatement).

I might have mentioned this above but one of Dolly's common arrangement techniques--setting a rich polyharmonic arrangment in counterpoint to an almost perversely uninflected ballad reading by Shirley--reminds me of some of Britten's folksong settings, including my favorite, "O Waly, Waly," where the piano part is basically continually unfolding variations on being several beats behind the very foursquare vocal line, resolving into a standard meter only after the singer has finished. it's devastating (i hope I described it OK, obviously it's not technically correct as I am musically illiterate but perhaps it conveys some sense of the music).

i always picture shirley standing stock-still, hands folded into one another, as if in a formal recital, framed against a wall with a rich cover of green vines, undulating in continually shifting patterns of shadow and reflected light. like shirley is maintaining a sort of tableau-like rigidity and dignity amidst an effusion of intense emotion. it's like all this history and heartbreak and tragedy (personal and political and both at once) is suggested but cannot quite be contained by the strictures of a great tradition.

ok i need to go to bed now.

*for a good example--and I do actually mean "good" as in worth hearing--of the sort of folksong presentation both were running from, see the records of Richard Dyer-Bennett.

One hates to be dreary and pedantic about these things but I neither liked nor disliked Shirley Collins straightaway. As it is, I love her albums but I find it difficult to listen to her voice over an entire album - I think it's the fact that she sings slightly out of tune all the time.

i think i've come around to thinking that the first side of "anthems in eden" is her best work overall. though there are things on "power of the true love knot," "adieu to old england" (this is the one that no one ever seems to mention), and "for as many as will" (and several others, though not the first two 59/60 lps) that are magnificent.

A heart-rending emotional journey into the cultural roots of traditional American Music with legendary archivist Alan Lomax. Highly respected English folk singer Shirley Collins describes her year long stint as Lomax's assistant and their diligent work uncovering the traditional music of America's heartland. They covered Virginia, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Georgia - along the way encountering Mississippi Fred McDowell, Muddy Waters and many others.

i wish she'd write about her own music and her relationship to traditional english music and its various revivals. that interests me as much if not more (if only because the america stuff has been covered so well by so many).

ok i have a noisy cat begging for my attention...be back later.

"dada is correct abt "rise up like the sun". "poor old horse" is probably worth the price of the album on its own.

did i say that? i dunno.

i don't like shirley with drums really. i don't like "amaranth" much, largely because of the echoey production.

i like shirley with dolly's arrangements, basically.

Amaranth is probably the worst (read least great) shirley collins music I have. I like the folk-rock arrangements on "no roses" tons, but I think it's probably enough of shirley w/that type of sound. Have you got the "etchingham steam band" cd amateurist? That's kind of...interesting, but not great.

you know i'm sort of suspicious of english folk-rock (i've really lost the taste for fairport/sandy denny/et al) in part because it's admirers don't seem to be critical at all; i've hardly read a bad review of a british folk-rock album. it doesn't seem like a world that encourages really serious musical experimentation, as opposed to kitschy "ambitious" stabs (like peter bellamy's "transports," arr. dolly collins, which i'm really NOT getting into).

all this to say that "no roses" sounds like a failure to me, in fact it almost pains me to listen to. but damned if i can find a single negative review of it.

i really don't think shirley has the audience she deserves.

Have you read the (rather lengthy) interview she did Johan @ perfect sound forever? real interesting read. i want to hear more of her albums. we had a copy of anthems in eden at the store and it was great. the only one i own is power of the true love knot. greaaat stuff. i wanna read her book, also.

ha, try criticizing Steely Dan or Tusk on here and let the hate roll down on you. Also, post thompson/denny Fairport gets lots of criticism, especially from the 80s on (and most of it is deserved)
I think part of the reason it gets a free pass to the extent that it does is because it's so small & insular a scene, I mean I don't care for polka, but I'm not going to spray hate on amazon reviews and such. If Brit folk-rock had ever broken in a big way, non-believers would go out of their way to take it down. This music really just appeals to a small section of the public, those who get it love it, those who don't pay it little mind.

it doesn't seem like a world that encourages really serious musical experimentation, as opposed to kitschy "ambitious" stabs (like peter bellamy's "transports," arr. dolly collins, which i'm really NOT getting into).

well it is FOLK music, to an extent, the "bold" experimentation was to deviate from the acoustic norm and dip into the "tainted" rock scene. Trad based things are rarely open to too much tinkering, part of the weakness, also part of the charm.

all this to say that "no roses" sounds like a failure to me, in fact it almost pains me to listen to. but damned if i can find a single negative review of it.

Well the Murder of Maria Marten is anything but a failure, it is just a MONSTER track. The rest doesn't quite excite as much, but it is certainly above average folk-rock.

Sounds like it's not that you're "suspicious" of English folk rock so much as you just don't like it!

you know i'm sort of suspicious of english folk-rock in part because it's admirers don't seem to be critical at all

I think a lot of people who discovered it (esp. outside the UK) and were just extremely enthusiastic about it and some of their critical faculties may have gone out the window temporarily

had never heard her, but picked up the new Harvest Years comp as an introduction...have to admit, took a little while to "adjust" my ears (some of this stuff is so archaic as to make Fairport Convention sound like dubstep..I know, I know: what did I expect?), but now that I'm into it, I'm into it!...(she was quite the looker, too)...

Yeah I don't know how that comp is sequenced (or what exactly is on it) but I could see some of her stuff being a bit "unadorned" for ears trained by folk rock. I have almost every album (not the boxed set though.) Love, Death & The Lady is my favorite, probably.

Happy birthday Shirley! 75 today.

Happy birthday Shirley!

Tomorrow is Shirley's birthday!!

Jul 5th * �7.00 * SHIRLEY COLLINS' BIRTHDAY PARTY

Now here is something really special!
In the first half, Shirley will be presenting a shortened version of her latest multi-media show, You Never Heard So Sweet.
In the second half she will introducing performances by friends including some of the best known names on the folk scene:-
THE COPPER FAMILY
MARTYN WYNDHAM-READ & IRIS BISHOP
RATTLE ON THE STOVEPIPE
NAOMI BEDFORD & PAUL SIMMONDS
IAN KEAREY & DAN QUINN (of DUCK SOUP)

Happy happy happy happy birthday, Shirley!

Oh shit, that's my friend Ian. Whereabouts is this thing happening?

ROYAL OAK
3 Station Street,
Lewes
BN7 2DA

If you go, please tell Shirley happy birthday for me!

listening to love, death & the lady: happy birthday shirley collins and may there be many more!

That venue is only about 3 miles away from where I'm sat right now, which makes me feel all the more lame for inevitably not going.

When I lived in Brighton I used to go there quite a lot for the folk nights with Shirley, the Copper Family, Martin Carthy and so on. Great little place.

Never been! The thought of bowling up by myself to that sort of cosy, intimate space gives me the willies.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~tinvic/intro.jpg

"Here, budge up a bit Norma would you..."

I only ever went on my own, primarily because no-one else would go with me...

Damn, you should've given me a shout.

Not going = not cool

If I had a zillion dollars, I would fly across the ocean to celebrate Shirley Collins' birthday with her and the Copper family in a tiny intimate venue.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SHIRLEY!

She's 77 today btw.

She looks about 10 years younger though! There were some nice birthday celebration photos of her online somewhere or other.

Her beauty always shines forth like a fountain of snow!

Oh yeah, her 70th birthday:
http://www.shirleycollins.co.uk/birthday.htm

happy b-day shirley!
reading electric eden made me angry at ashley hutchings for being a jerk to shirley.

reading electric eden made me angry at ashley hutchings for being a jerk to shirley.

I didn't know what but, uh, doesn't surprise me tbh

i'm still miffed that she doesn't get more credit for the alan lomax "sounds of the south" recordings. she gets one line in the box set liner notes, iirc. her book about that trip is great btw. it's sentimental, but i have no problem with that.

Seems like she could have made better choices when it came to men!

Who among us can claim a clean slate on that front?

When courting the boys, don't be easy and free.

precious booty from one of those Royal Oak evenings a few years back:

http://i.imgur.com/aej60.jpg

Cool

my face looks kinda weird in this picture and the room is messy, but you can see two of my framed & signed anthems in eden poster!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7246/7508668582_ca06eefb0f.jpg

haha!
i have no signed collins memorabilia, but listening to the shirley/dolly harvest years comp RIGHT NOW.
https://search.mog.com/v2/albums/15406939/image.jpeg?size=800

I got a Christmas card from her once. It resides in the boxed set to this day.

Tomorrow at Cecil Sharp House: http://www.spiralearth.co.uk/news/story.asp?nid=6503

At Cecil Sharp House on 1 November 2012 Shirley Collins, EFDSS President, who was herself a collector and whose voice has enchanted folk music audiences all over the world, will present an illustrated talk about Bob Copper's song collecting, to be followed by some songs and stories from the Copper Family themselves.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8176/8029993454_7b938b8883_z.jpg
shirley and nic jones awww

listening to the albion band - no roses! this is great, like whole nother awesome fairport convention record you haven't heard basically

great album!

my favorite yard sale find remains a NM vinyl copy (w/some acceptable front cover damage) of 'adieu to old england' for $1.

murder of the maria marten - wow!

not that shirley is involved bu the first steeleye span record, that's basically like another fairport record you haven't heard, too.

Yes and don't forget battle of the field by Albion Country Band

yeah is that hark the village wait? that's great too....been listening to a lot of this stuff...reading the book which you guys should read if you haven't:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ibTQpJa_o6s/TfO6Q7KQQlI/AAAAAAAACaI/JNvnyNDpM54/s1600/eden+1.jpg

it's kinda like the "this band could be your life" of UK folk/folk rock/witchy music

yeahhh, great book. guess he just put a sdtk out too http://www.amazon.com/Electric-Eden-Unearthing-Britains-Visionary/dp/B008KGWWKM/ref=pd_sim_b_2 -- though there was spotify playlist that had tons more stuff too.

yeah i was gonna say, spotify has pretty much revolutionized reading music books for me, that's all i've been reading lately, i just finished a history of the blues book too, it's so great to be able to go through the evolution step by step and actually hear all the songs that are reference while you're reading.

fuck, i just looked up that playlist! damn! i almost want to start this book over

ha, yeah, it is a great resource for that kind of thing. so many of those bands, 5-10 years ago, i'd be like, hmmm i wonder if i'll ever hear that. now you type in mr. fox or heron and you've got the whole discography. a little bit scary!

Trees aren't on Spotify, though (at least not last time I checked) (Trees the electric folkies not the more recent one).

Isn't there a David Keenan book along similar lines?

Did the CD companion to Electric Eden ever come out?

I found the book kinda dry myself.

I should have read above. Thanks for the link!

xxp yeah there are definitely holes. in fact, last time i looked, spotify was kind of short on davey graham records. don't know about the keenan book? electric eden is definitely one of the best music books i've read in a long while.

my favorite yard sale find remains a NM vinyl copy (w/some acceptable front cover damage) of 'adieu to old england' for $1.

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murder of the maria marten - wow!

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omar - no WAY -- you cannot be serious! that's just unfair.
UMS - are you familiar with the story of maria marten? i recommend reading about the red barn murder/looking at the broadsheet/losing at least a few hours to the saga of maria marten. it's one of my favorites!!

no, i have no idea about maria marten, just heard the song for the first time today....will google it

one reason i'm glad i read this book cuz i guess i always associated steeleye span with some lamer celtic woman/chieftans type bullshit for some reaons...but yeah this early shit is fucking killer

yeah i'm pretty into their guitar sound on those early records. so harsh!

you will enjoy, also i totally recommend this book if googling doesn't fully satisfy (i'd post a pic of the cover but the ones online suck and i don't feel like scanning mine atm)
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?keyword=curtis+mackenzie+maria+marten&mtype=B&hs.x=0&hs.y=0

Martin Carthy playing electric guitar is such an unlikely thing

another thing i learned from that book:

dave mattacks from fairport convention plays on EVERY RECORD recorded between 1969 and 1973 in the UK

speaking of books i couldn't resist -- this is the inside cover

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8198/8170675741_e294b122de_c.jpg

Isn't there a David Keenan book along similar lines?

He wrote a book about the Current 93/Coil/NWW nexus (England's Hidden Reverse), which may or may not contain some stuff on Shirley Collins (obviously there's links to C93 there). I do remember when I saw the Telstar Ponies in Brighton in 1995-ish, they played an old English folk song (can't remember what) and Keenan dedicated it to her so the guy was definitely ahead of the curve on the whole folk revival revival.

i couldn't believe it when i found that lp, LL. the guy had a few hundred records in boxes and i think they'd already been picked over, the only other one i left with was i think a bob james lp.

Telstar Ponies did a tune called Farewell, Farewell, but it's not the Richard Thompson tune from Liege & Lief (itself based on an old tune), but a reworking of various folk songs plus their own material. It builds to a coda which is pretty much a straight quote of Go From My Window which Shirley did a gorgeous version of, so maybe that emerged from their earlier live versions of that song... It's on that great Geographic compilation http://www.dominorecordco.com/uk/geographic/29-01-07/you-dont-need-darkness-to-do-what-you-think-is-right/

Shirley's talks are absolutely wonderful. If you ever get the chance to attend one don't pass it up. I'm sure this point has made on here before, but her book on America Over The Water is essential reading. Apparently she isn't interested in doing further books, which is a shame, considering what a good writer she is and her amazing life, but I have to respect her decision. We have the talks though...

seriously omar i would die -- if that happened to me i would pass out and then maybe die
that's just too much. i can't take it.

I'm sure this point has made on here before, but her book on America Over The Water is essential reading.
Agree 100%! It's a great book, and really illuminating wrt the Lomax recordings. I also respect her decision to stop whenever she pleases -- I admire a well-timed exit.

love the cover:

http://www.kingbeerecords.co.uk/pics/large/shirley_collins-lp-adieu_to_old_england.jpg

it was one of those moments that happens to me a couple times per year where i see a record and then sort of look around and hide it behind another record, and i don't know why i do it but it's instinct. then i have that moment when i hand the money over where i feel like i'm getting away with thievery and i'm about to get caught.

Listen, I'm just going to have to be ok being super envious of that but in the meantime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsyjbKm8DcU

that record sleeve is super-nice, especially compared to the horrid reissue

slightly OT but wtf at this cover

http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/guvnor/images/largerec/bygloucesterdocksisatdownandwept.jpg

haha, that's almost as wack as henry the human fly

i think the deeper you get into the britfolk wormhole the more terrible the covers get
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/2364155960a2feca63af289abce06bdf/42179.jpg
obviously they're trying to show that there's humor, it isn't all doom n gloom, or just pastoral grooves, but errr.

Was listening to a bit of Malicorne earlier who were kind of like a french version of the Albion Band. Pretty good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob7HGfpUAxk

Picked up a nice copy of the 4 Men With Beards reissue of Folk Roots, New Routes

Great record! Nice to have a Davy Graham record without his singing, Shirley is great on this

oh man "hares on the mountain" is so good
the whole thing is good but that song always kills me

"love is pleasin'" too

yeah it is such a good record, didn't know there was a reish.
i was thinking about doing a britfolk lady poll, has that been done before? a no holds barred smackdown between shirley, sandy, anne, jacqui, maybe a couple of others.

i'm not even going to encourage that because i am so 400% on team shirley that you would have to prod me with an electric zapper in a buenos aires torture dungeon in order to change my mind.

no exaggeration

weird.. my friend recommended No Roses to me the other day and i've been jamming it since. poor murdered woman is my jam

"British" folk, folk rock, folk pop, trad, w/e female singers of the 1960s & 70s

aha, i thought it had been done...

I got th ehard back version of America Across The Water last week read 1/2 of it6 between last night nad this morning. Very enjoyable read. Wish there wasa further volume of her memoir, this one covers th erecording trip with Alan Lomax in the late 50s in alternating chapters with her growing up in wartime/postwar Hastings.
So woul dbe great to get somethng that covered the time from her return from the recording trip to her retiring from recording or later. I would love that in her own words.

I stress that i [picked up the hardback version since this seems to be the one version styill around. A softback was available initially but seems to have very rising price. Not sure if Book Depositary who I got it through just happen to have a backlogof hardbacks or what the story is.
In short if you want a copy I'd grab one sooner rather than later
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/America-Over-Water-Shirley-Collins/9780946719662

huh, is the paperback a valuable book? i got it at a local shop for $3 less than two yrs ago.

I have the first hardback edition. Dunno if it's valuable, but I enjoyed reading it!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/America-Over-Water-Shirley-Collins/dp/0946719918/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1363599514&sr=1-1
paperback.

Get the picture?

SAF seem to have ceased printing & several titles that they put out are becoming scarce. Shame since thye put out some very interesting stuff. Do wish some other label woul dreprint several of them.
The Soft Machine & INcredible String Band ones spring to mind immediately, but there are a few others.

This is old news I'm afraid but it was new to me - our Shirley does the voice of a snail making her way home in Nick Abrahams' short film Ekki Mukk:

http://www.nicholasabrahams.com/ekki-mukk.htm

Okay, you might not want to watch the scene of putrefaction that starts at about 7 minutes in.

Putrefaction of what?

I didn't want to say in case I ruined the film for you

I watched like 30 sec of it and it was too poignant so I decided to wait! It'll pass and I'll try again, I'm not worried about the putrefaction.

WOuldn't nomarlly bother me either but I'm a big fan of ________ :0

o no

uh huh :(

shirley collinses in the news

Union County man donates $50,000 to school in honor of late wife
Posted: May 06, 2013 3:13 PM CDT

The $50,000 donation will be used to build a new media center at the school. The $50,000 donation will be used to build a new media center at the school.

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MAYNARDVILLE (WATE) - A Union County school got a major boost Monday thanks to a donation in memory of a local woman.

Horace Maynard Middle School in Maynardville received a $50,000 donation in honor of Shirley Collins - a former student who attended classes in the building when it still housed the high school.

Freddie Brasfield said the money is to honor Shirley, the love of his life, and create a living memorial to her.

"This is a perpetual program. The Shirley Lynn Collins Media Center is perpetual. We do not ever see it ending, and we will do whatever it takes to keep it at the top of its game," said Brasfield.

The school's library will be converted into a state-of-the-art media center with the funds, including upgraded computers and iPads.

Brasfield says Shirley dedicated her life to helping children achieve their goals.

Good day for a thread revival - it's May 8, Helston Furry Dance Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Fm6cfdNSg

Summer is a coming
And winter is a gone-o

They should have called it the False True Learner's School.

Jolly rumble-o! I organized my Shirley Collins CD section today and also earlier this week hung my poster in my new home!

also lol @ False True Learner's School
hehehehe

The Etchingham College of Steam Technology

not sure if this will show up or not, but poster from 1976 albion country dance band featuring a funny little illustrated tree with a squeezebox
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/983654_10151976405632598_741147351_n.jpg

i would snuggle w/that cartoon tree

totally. sort of irritates me that there's not more cool shirley footage on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBxtQhql0N4

it's weird, i used to search for her all the time on youtube, find nothing, and one day i gave up and set up a google alert, thinking that it would tell me when there was anything shirley related!
and really it hasn't been particularly fruitful. i do find the odd thing, but maybe i have it set up wrong or something.
still, that makes it more beautiful when something does come up. scarcity can be good.

The spoken intro to this live "Poor Murdered Woman" is essential esp since Harking Back seems to be ridiculously hard to find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGfQ0EUgWk

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151972147412139&l=ff4a785c33

omg

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q84/s720x720/539793_10151972147412139_1532932372_n.jpg

awesome.

haha wow

she has the most beautiful hair of all hairs

wah!

wondering if they saw her copper-coloured hair as a good fit for their brand identity

Sellout! What year's that from?

HOLY SHIT EVERBODY. HOLY SHIT!

Just got back from seeing Current 93 in London and just before they took the stage, Shirl the Pearl came on and sang two songs!!!

Got an amazing reception, everyone was cheering and clapping like crazy even before she sang a note. She did All The Pretty Little Horses with Ian Kearey on some old stringed thing like a rebec or something, the she sang Death & The Lady with Ian switching to bluesy bottleneck guitar. Her voice was understandably a little rusty and she forgot the words to Death & The Lady bless her, but oh my, so great! And she was quite overcome by the reception too.

As a side note, Ian's a friend who I hadn't seen for a very long time and you could have knocked me down with a feather when he walked out on stage with her. He's had his ups and downs for the last few years so it was so fucking great to see him playing again.

Anyhow, FUCKING HELL!

Wow! That's awesome

I know! Beggining to wonder if it was even real!

btw i lied, it wasn't a rebec, it was more like an appalachian dulcimer, a very old looking long skinny plucked instrument.

Current 93 line itself was quite surreal too actually - James Blackshaw, Bobby from Comus, Jack Barnett from These New Puritans, TONY FUCKING MCPHEE from the Groundhogs...

A picture emerges

:-0 & :-) !!!

WOW!

omg

she sang Death & The Lady

i would have passed out, so happy i tangentially know someone who has heard her sing. amazing. so so so envious but also happy for everyone who saw her.

also i listened to "lovely joan" today and it sounded so great

Sorry to rain on this parade but I heard her sing at a folk club in Lewes around 2000 or so, she only sang one song though

Great post

I was there nick! That was amazing aye. She said she wouldn't have done it for anyone except Tibet.

No rain on my parade -- I hope maybe he can convince her to record again.

Mine neither, just saw a picture of her with Davy Graham in Electric Eden, which is almost as good, no?

I was there nick! That was amazing aye. She said she wouldn't have done it for anyone except Tibet.

wins! seemed to me like everyone in the place did this simultaneous collective gasp when she was introduced.

another picture: https://twitter.com/Neodop/status/432296281290342400/photo/1

hey anagram, maybe send this person a tweet? >>>

https://twitter.com/PollyTaplin/status/432514023519571969/photo/1

i would imagine there was a collective gasp! this news has made me so happy. do you think there's a chance that she'll record again?!

it's a nice thought but i would be amazed. stranger things have happened though!

la lechera i did think of you last night btw and wished i could have emergency teleported you into the building :(

if i was considered in absentia, that's the best i could've realistically hoped for. i know that even if she performs again, i will probably not get a chance to hear it, which is why i am very interested in the possibility of future recordings. also i really liked the way her voice aged from her early recordings/youth to the later death and the lady era, AND since i believe that singers are interpreters of song (rather than people with "beautiful voices") she could really make an interesting record at this point in her life. imagine that life experiences that would come through her voice -- it would be so beautiful! anyway, i'm also thrilled that she could experience a room full of love like that.

anyway, i'm also thrilled that she could experience a room full of love like that.

^ this was the best bit! i was quite far back but she was visibly moved.

oh look here's a review:

http://www.attnmagazine.co.uk/performance/7324

important twitter feed - ShirleyCollins Movie(!):

https://twitter.com/ShirleyCMovie

whoa
are those filmmakers a known entity?

they're the same people who did this thing:
http://www.wayofthemorris.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRV1mW35FlI

wonder how much the fact that they were shooting a film influenced shirley's decision to perform?

oh man that looks totally like the kind of movie i would like to see. (i also like morris dancing -- will try to find a way to watch it!) looks like she's in good hands?!
i was wondering the same thing about the possibility of influence, which is why my first question was "filmmakers are clowns y/n" and it looks like the answer is n, fortunately.

I have that Morris film, but haven't got round to watching it yet.

thought it might be along the same lines as the recent nic jones documentary which ended with him doing his first live performance for something like 32 years, but the style of that morris trailer seems to be a little more dreamlike and fantastical.

xp now's yr cue!

same director also did this which sounds pretty interesting:
Epilogue - 2012 sci-fi TV series

talking of nic jones:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/efdss/8029993946/in/photostream/

damn ur eyes flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/efdss/8029993946/in/photostream/

^ nic'n'shirl

oops: http://www.flickr.com/photos/efdss/8029993454/in/photostream/

TONY FUCKING MCPHEE from the Groundhogs...

... blimey. I often approach revived threads of, ahem, more senior artists with some dread in case they're dead (Holger Czukay has given me a couple of near heart attacks) so I'm glad to see Shirl alive and kicking it.

The one sad thing about Tony McPhee's appearance was that he was so low in the mix you could hardly hear what he was doing. They did finish the performance with a version of Sad Go Round though.

let's see if this shows up…

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1009961_10152214704407139_263710273_n.jpg

can we be shown weirdos + Shirley Collins?

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2707/4053921604_1bf5b1a28e_z.jpg

Did anyone link to the following before? It's a talk that Shirley gave last year at the Southbank...

https://soundcloud.com/southbankcentre/shirley-collins-on-the

Alasdair Roberts on the right I think, but who's on the left?

guy on the left is ned oldham, will's brother

i was wondering the same thing
their expressions are priceless

zomg http://twitter.com/shirleyecollins

Oh geez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2rx9mmzLXA

^ London performance on Youtube at last

wow super intense! i started crying during all the pretty horses, and then felt an actual chill in my bones when she sang in death's voice (lords, dukes, and ladies bow down to me). amazing!!
amaaaaaaaazzzzziiiiiiinnnnnnnggggggg

ty for posting

not the jolliest choice of song eh?

oh that's true but i loved it!

double thanks for posting that, just knowing it happened makes me glad and seeing shirley's face always makes me smile :-)

wow that was great

vid's gone already!

shirley collins google alert

http://olatheedge.com/news/2014/02/20/7781-overland-park-therapist-safehome-organization-volunteer-receive-statewide-honors

TOPEKA, KAN. — An Overland Park, Kan., therapist and volunteer with an organization working on behalf of victims of domestic violence have been recognized by the Kansas Coalition Against Sexual and Domestic Violence (KCSDV).

Shirley Collins was presented with the Outstanding Advocate of the Year Award and Helen LaValley was presented with the Volunteer of the Year Award during KCSDV’s 11th Annual Safe Homes, Safe Streets Awareness Day and Sunflower Safety Breakfast event in Topeka in February.

Since 1995, KCSDV has been recognizing outstanding advocates and allies who are working to enhance victim safety, to increase perpetrator accountability, and to prevent and eliminate sexual and domestic violence, dating violence, and stalking in Kansas.

“We honor both Shirley Collins and Helen LaValley for their tireless efforts on behalf of victims of sexual and domestic violence,” said Joyce Grover, executive director of KCSDV. “Their work is transformative and life-saving in many cases.”

Collins has been in the violence against women movement for almost three decades. She has worked one-on-one with victims and for ten years led SAFEHOME’s Clinical Counseling Program which, in 2013, served over 1,000 women, children and men.

“Shirley Collins has dedicated her life to supporting and improving the lives of victims of domestic violence. From her early service as the director of a domestic violence agency, to providing state of the art therapy to victims and their children, she never stops looking for new ways to help survivors find the strength, faith, courage, and hope that they don’t even realize they have,” said Janee’ Hanzlick, executive director of SAFEHOME, Inc., an agency serving victims of domestic violence in Johnson and Miami Counties. SAFEHOME nominated Collins and LaValley for the awards.

“Shirley Collins represents everything that the Juliene Maska Advocate of the Year is intended to be: victim-centered, compassionate, and caring,” says Joyce Grover, executive director of KCSDV. Collins has also championed efforts to train and mentor counseling staff and interns, advancing their skills through training on modalities that are particularly successful for working with trauma survivors. As a result, there are at least 50 therapists in Johnson County who are well-trained on working with victims of domestic violence and trauma.

Sounds like at least two great women share the same name. It's nice to hear an inspiring story about a non-famous person making the world a better place, even if it is because of a random internet coincidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h-D3QCwirI
did we talk about this? matt sweeney and emily sundblad are doing an album of shirley collins songs? sounds kinda lovely in this live recording.

once again, matt sweeney has the strangest/best career going.

He really seems to have a good time

omg
he is trying to kill me y/n
i love his face

what does "shirley collins songs" mean -- she almost exclusively recorded traditional tunes, albeit sometimes in new arrangements by her/dolly.

drawing from the shirley collins repertoire i believe

yeah also i have a mild beef with that as well -- that toad from the decemberists did the same thing

i don't have a beef. i'd probably get this album. collins was always very careful to explain where a song (or indeed different parts/aspects of a song) came from, and i hope these folks can follow suit. alasdair roberts' album of traditional tunes was also careful in this regard--and it's an amazing album IMO. (speaking of "the crook of my arm")

yeah but i wouldn't sing those same tunes and call it an album alasdair roberts songs
they're traditional songs

sort of more mysterious -- i'd never heard of sundblad, but i guess she's some kinda mixed media artist:
http://www.contemporaryartdaily.com/2014/04/emily-sundblad-at-house-of-gaga/
On Display:
15 drawings made at the Santa Barbara Zoo, mounted on pleather, leather and card. 3 illustrations made in New York. adapted loosely from Rembrandt and Delacroix.
A white wedding dress and a veil that mimics a cage and makes the dress suitable for both a wedding and a funeral made by Proenza Schouler, based on a concept by Emily Sundblad.
One belt and one set of horse’s reins. One peep-hole into the dining room.
8 old English folk songs played in the gallery and displayed each on it’s own USB stick with hardware. The songs are adapted from early recordings by Shirley Collins and performed by Emily Sundblad and Matt Sweeney. Recorded in January 2014 by Justin Smith at Pink Duck studios in Burbank. Produced by Matt Sweeney.
1 Rib eye steak, frozen.
1 Piece of goat meat in a ziploc bag, frozen.
1 Assemblage/ visual EP consisting of a drawing titled “Lobster Dinner”, cutlery, four USB sticks with one song on each attached to various hardware, one plastic snake, a belt buckle and a glass of red wine.
The show is an attempt to explore how two antiquated institutions- the zoo and marriage- and one institution that will always be a jour- death- illustrate a feeling of imprisonment by love.

album OF
oops
sorry -- i'm running to a meeting and thinking about matt sweeney's teeth

xp

oh man that was a GREAT episode of macgyver

"The Teeth of Sweeney" kind of sounds like it could be song on a Shirley Collins album

yeah but i wouldn't sing those same tunes and call it an album alasdair roberts songs
they're traditional songs

― Mayor Manuel (La Lechera), Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we're making the same point bro

thanks bro

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/10253906_10152397333486410_2764838862421813363_n.jpg

love dolly's face
clearly from the "for as many as will" photo shoot
apparently shirley's dress is an annabelinda dress, learned that too! (http://www.annabelinda.com/about/)

Ill at Ease is on And Now the Rain, right? I need to give that more listens. Besides Scenes, my go-to Roy is the 2nd Dissolve album (about which I have also talked to LL)

Oops rong thread

haha

podcast with shirley talking about her southern journey with alan lomax! http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/r4music

Southern Journeys
Wed, 21 May 14
Duration:
59 mins
It's not an exaggeration to say that without the work of Alan Lomax, American music might have sounded very different. Lomax's field recordings of the music of the poor and disposessed, made in fields, churches and prisons, made a big impression on the likes of Bob Dylan and paved the way for the 1960s Blues revival. In this programme British folk singer Shirley Collins (who was both Lomax's lover and assistant) tells the story of his trips to the Southern States and in particular one made in 1959. where the pair discovered the great bluesman Mississippi Fred McDowell. This programme contains language which may offend.

nice!

oh my gosh thanks!

warning! moby content! (but 4 real, it is a good listen)

you mean TRIGGER WARNING

i'm glad there's moby on there - considering how much $ he (probably?) made from using those samples
he might as well chime in

also i can't wait to listen to this over the weekend!

yeah i kid moby, but i get the feeling moby would be a nice guy.

i'm glad there's moby on there - considering how much $ he (probably?) made from using those samples
he might as well chime in

― funch dressing (La Lechera), Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:43 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would be pretty funny if his interview was reduced to the line, "i'm moby, and i made millions of dollars sampling the music that lomax recorded."

thanks for the link btw.

i got her book on the subject, "america over the water," it was a decent read but surprisingly un-literary i thought.

it was a memoir! i read it on my honeymoon.

yeah, i guess i mean it wasn't esp. well-written or vivid. you can have "literary memoirs," in fact that's kind of a recognized genre.

i finished it thinking that she was a bit reserved about her personal deets, but i appreciate that in a person.

yeah, no james salter-like extended descriptions of making love to alan lomax

would love to read it but it's a tad pricey on amazon

lol, gross

i got impression that she enjoyed the experience of assisting in the field recordings way more than she enjoyed being his companion.

got *the* impression

what is wrong with me today!? geez.

it's ok, when you leave out the article i just imagine you speaking in some eastern-european accent

This is fun to flick through and read in your best inner Shirley voice:

A Dictionary of the Sussex Dialect (1875)

(written by a vicar so alas no saucy language)

this is superb. there is a meal called beever?! highlights from skimming through:

'bishop-barnaby' for a ladybird
'blobtit' (tell-tale)
'grummut' (an awkward boy)
'foundle' for anything you find
'january butter' (mud)
'oration' for fuss
'peter-grievous' (fretful)
'radical' for tiresome
'snudge' (walking with head down)

my favourite thing though was this idea of 'the sheeres' which is everywhere that's not kent or sussex, so hampshire & wiltshire but also china & australia.

also:

Bodger. [Corruption of Badger.]

what a charming look!
1957

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10392318_10203046383911895_6314538899765499742_n.jpg

foxy

Chanced upon this poster of a 1979 Irish folk festival w/Shirley and Dolly on the bill:

http://i.imgur.com/PpTIHxU.jpg

so cool!!

looks like a good time. curious to know what tipsy sailor sounded like.

http://mainlynorfolk.info/shirley.collins/images/largerec/heroesinlove_top95.jpg

Shirley Collins ‏@shirleyeCollins 13m

News from @TopicRecords Coming soon - ltd edition 7” vinyl facsimile of this early recording from @shirleyeCollins

Shirley Collins - Heroes in Love (1963) EP Topic Records TOP95
Side A 1. The False Bride (Roud 154) 2. Locks and Bolts (Roud 406 / Laws M13)
Side B 3. Rambleaway (Roud 171) 4. A Blacksmith Courted Me (Roud 816)
All songs Traditional

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o8xEQUMYkUA/TMbnLoR37ZI/AAAAAAAAEqQ/Hq2FNAfarAE/s1600/vic+smith%27s+photo+of+shirley+collins.jpg

awesome! the reissue of anne briggs' hazards of love ep topic put out recently was very nicely done.

Anyone kicked on on this yet?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shirleycollins/the-ballad-of-shirley-collins

"...special edition of a new book Shirley is currently writing. Part songbook, part travelogue, part psychogeography, By the Mark On His Hand will explore her relationship with the English countryside she so dearly loves."

um! still need to track down a copy of ameica over the water.

Anyone kicked on on this yet?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shirleycollins/the-ballad-of-shirley-ppcollins

Anyone kicked on on this yet?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shirleycollins/the-ballad-of-shirley-collins

Oops, sorry.

totally looking forward to the new book!
will pre-order!

13 days left on this Kickstarter and not even halfway to goal! Whatta bummer! Cmon people! I'm pledging 50 - lotsa great stuff in that tier

Shirley O)))

America Across The Water was a great read so would love another volume of memoir.

Hadn't heard about this new thing until I just saw updates on this thread

Yeah, I'm in for 50 too. Personally I'm not sure the rewards are properly described or pitched correctly tbh - 50 is a fair bit for the first really worthwhile tier, noting the 30 tier was added quite recently, which feels too high for a generic entry cost.

(See also the GBP-O Vodun film KS, which has ridiculous tiers.)

I wanted to get a tier for my dad as a present but explaining to him that the present I just bought him, means he gets a book in 2015 that I paid £30 for and he doesn't even get a copy of the film he has backed would derail any inclination I might have of backing this

I agree that the rewards, how they are communicated and the reason for the money is fuzzy as all hell.

If they want backing for the film, the rewards need to be tied to the film, not books/compilation CDs/ 7" repressings.

do a download of the compilation for £5, an ebook for £10 and a blu ray of the doc for £15.

I had to unfollow the movie on twitter because I was starting to feel really irritated with the persistent requests/retweeted requests
shirley is one of my favorite singers in the whole world ever and seeing her name over and over and over and over with a request for money was bumming me out

they've added a new £15 tier for a d/l of the film, but yeah the reward structure is a bit of a mess. I backed at £30 for the book a few days back… but I have no recollection of how I decided that was the tier for me. I like books I guess.

I see Tibet's weighed in today on his mailing list with a plea for more backers.

They're getting closer, ~£5k to go. I backed for £30 too, would have been nice to get the film download included with that but oh well a book may or may not appear through my door long after I've forgotten about it.

They made it.

And have said the first stretch goal is at £50k. This is a really badly run KS.

I never thought they would make it. Did loads of people pile in or was it a minority who paid the bulk?

I only just got my first taste (aside from Current 93 guest star stuff) a week ago with the Shirley & Dolly Harvest 2-disc collection. Really loving Anthems In Eden.

Sold two £1000 pledges and a £2500 one. A couple of days ago someone paid £800 or thereabouts for a £200 reward.

i too am fatigued by the kickstarter folks' constant stream of email and facebook updates. i still gave them money because why not.

but why are they still soliciting money after having reached their goal?

Shirley en español!!

http://cultura.elpais.com/cultura/2015/02/17/actualidad/1424198534_860391.html

track listing for that shirley tribute

Track Listing

SIDE A
Bitchin Bonnie Billy Bajas - Pretty Saro
Trembling Bells - Richie's Story
Stewart Lee & Stuart Estell - Polly On The Shore
Johnny Flynn - Rambleaway
Lee Ranaldo - The Plains Of Waterloo

SIDE B
Alasdair Roberts and David McGuinness - A Blacksmith Courted Me
Graham Coxon - Cruel Mother
Meg Baird - Locks And Bolts
Angel Olsen - The Blacksmith
Ela Stiles - The Murder Of Maria Marten

SIDE C
Stuart Estell - Just As The Tide Was Flowing
Bonnie Dobson and The Lords of Thyme - Hares On The Mountain
Rachael Dadd - Polly Vaughan
Josephine Foster - Love Is Pleasing
The Owl Service and Laura Cannell - Edi Beo
Jackie Oates - Banks Of The Bann

SIDE D
Crying Lion - Shepherd's Arise
Ned Oldham - The Blacksmith
Ulver - Poor Murdered Woman
Sally Timms With The Mini Mekons - Go From My Window
C Joynes - It Was Pleasant And Delightful
Sharron Kraus - Gilderoy (Heart's Delight)

SIDE E
Joe Murphy - Adieu To All Judges And Juries
Slate Islands - Proud Maisrie
Sophie Williams - Charlie
Rozi Plain - Long Years Ago
Paul Smith - Geordie
Olivia Chaney - Oxford Girl

SIDE F
Orlando and Tom Furse - My False True Love
Barbarossa - Dearest Dear
Belbury Poly - Cambridgeshire May Carol
Eric Chenaux - Just As The Tide Was Flowing
Tunng and Farao - Never Again
Findlay Brown - Sweet England

& the details:

An album of Shirley Collins covers featuring contributions from Graham Coxon, Lee Ranaldo, Bitchin Bonnie Billy Bajas (Bonnie Prince Billy), Stewart Lee, Eric Chenaux, Josephine Foster, Johnny Flynn, Stuart Estell, Trembling Bells and many more..

"Her music did kick off for me a whole sort of... renewed passion or interest or love of my own country's music. Thank you Shirley!" - Graham Coxon

"Shirley has kept us in the loops of unexpired lyric power, sibling collaboration, and musical continuance and heritage. And what a smile." - Will Oldham

"Even though I am a folk fan, I like lots of different music and Shirley's in the top ten of all artists for me, irrespective of what they're supposed to be classified as.”- Stewart Lee

"Shirley is deserving of every accolade that's thrown at her... she's the best."- Linda Thompson

"There are these unique voices, these unique songs that would not have survived if it were not for Shirley... she has kept that entire tradition alive." - Alan Moore

Earth Recordings are extremely proud to announce the release of ‘Shirley Inspired’. July 2015 will see Shirley Collins celebrate her 80th year - an age that would seem frankly ridiculous for a woman as spritely as her, had it not been for all she's achieved. From her seminal field-recording trip to America to her lauded musical career; from her role as historian and protector of the folk tradition, to the very fact that this record can exist - more than half a century after her career began - all of these things are testament to the breadth of her influence.

And so we arrive at 'Shirley Inspired'. It would be almost lazy to the talk about the resurgence of folk music or the 'new folk' sound - the recordings found here are so much more than that. This is the very essence of folk - songs handed down from person to person, interpreted by modern musicians - as a way of keeping these songs alive.

Make no mistake these are modern versions; we've the soulful dirge of Bitchin Bonnie Billy Bajas' 'Pretty Saro'; the rabble-rousing minimalism of Stewart Lee (yes him) and Stuart Estell's 'Polly On The Shore'; the prism-like vocals of Ela Stiles' 'Murder of Maria Marten'... even Graham Coxon's traditional affair evokes something altogether more rebellious, his clawing, feral style is much in evidence here. This compilation was an inheritance of sorts: borne to us from the kickstarter appeal that funded 'The Ballad of Shirley Collins' - a film that is currently being made about the First Lady of Folk Music's life. We here at Earth now have the privilege of giving these songs a tangible existence in the shape of this special recording.

The woman herself had this to say: "I've been overwhelmed by the generosity of the singers and musicians who responded to the invitation to be part of the Shirley Inspired collection. Their choice of songs is fascinating, the interpretations of them fresh and various, beautiful and sometimes challenging! Listening to these recreations shows me again that English folk music has timeless power and significance."

Proceeds of this album go directly towards the production of 'The Ballad of Shirley Collins', a film by Fifth Column. Tracks kindly donated by the musicians involved.

As someone pointed out upthread these are not "Shirley Collins covers", they are new recordings of traditional English folk songs which Shirley Collins also happens to have recorded. No-one, least of all Shirley herself, would claim that these are "her" songs.

not a dig at you tylerw but at whoever wrote that blurb

finally we get bitchin bajas, ulver and the mekons on the same comp

hey that's fine by me.
and yeah, obviously not "covers" -- i guess "an album of traditional English folk songs inspired by the Shirley Collins repertoire" isn't catchy enough for a press release.

well presumably they'll be emulating collins et al's arrangements of these traditional songs which were not always the most strict trad interpretations

where's david tibet?!

also what are owl service like

For some reason (envy?) I can't stomach the thought of listening to this tribute album. I think it's also bc I'm emotionally attached to the original arrangements and I am too emotionally feeble to let new ppl perform those arrangements. "Love is Pleasin" is perfect for J Foster though, that's for sure.

listening to a promo of it -- it's good!
meg baird an early highlight. lee ranaldo a lowlight. and i love lee ranaldo.
graham coxon is pretty convincing in this mode, too. is his solo stuff along these lines?

Interview in today's Observer:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/31/shirley-collins-sing-past-generations-standing-folk-music

nice read, thanks.

from the comments: In the summer of 1961, as a favour Shirley typed the manuscript of Len Deighton's debut novel The Ipcress File for his agent Jonathan Clowes, whom she knew through sister Dolly and Austin John Marshall. 0_o

!!

she's been getting more press in the past two years, it seems, than in all the previous decades combined. and she doesn't even really sing anymore. weird.

& http://thequietus.com/articles/18060-shirley-collins-interview

yes, i need to sit down with that one. so great to see this sort of coverage!

just finished reading, really good. wotsit & sons!

this quote from the guardian interview is golden:

Collins then toured the country alone, catching overnight trains home to make the school run. “There were so many adventures,” she says. “I was picked up one night as I sat on Bradford station, just me and my banjo. Two really heavy Yorkshire policemen asked me what I was doing. They thought I was a prostitute!” Her next thought is classic Collins. “I thought, ‘How many banjo-playing prostitutes are there?’”

I like this from that Quietus interview
"SC: I've always had this feeling, you see, that the music is so wonderful that it deserves the best accompaniment it can get. You can't damage it. The songs are never at risk, either with Dolly or with Albion or with Fairport. It was just enhanced all the time, but given a new way of bringing it to other people who wouldn't listen to it if it was just sung as it had always been. It needed some freshness and youth and modernity to it, but without losing its essence, without losing its English soul. And that was just enhanced by those musicians. Because they got it as well, whereas some people just don't get it. "

which reminds me of a thing I heard from Gadamer about the continual reinvention of tradition keeping it fresh. It would always be of some level of relevance to the current generation and have some reflection of that rather than being monolithic and abstract.

can't agree with the pentangle dis, but given her aversion to jazz... makes sense.

that harvest showcase with the edgar broughton band, et al. must have been a sight/sound to behold.

happy 80th birthday, shirley! there's a big party in her honor at the southbank centre -- are any of you nearby that place?

LL i don't know if you saw this fb post from david tibet:

A truly and utterly astonishing birthday celebration for The Secret Queen Of England Shirley Collins last night at London's South Bank. Too much beauty to recount, but it was moving beyond my words to hear Shirley sing "Washed Ashore" and "Death And The Lady", accompanied by Ian Kearey at the afternoon discussion between Shirley and the lovely Stewart Lee—my favourite "comedian". And Trembling Bells were wonderful too...more about it all sooner or later.
I utterly recommend too the programme for the event, with so many beautiful photos of Shirley and friends, and a 7" too. It doesn't seem to be online yet, but email Fledg'ling for details

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jul/06/all-in-the-downs-review-a-memorable-shirley-collins-celebration

those early shirley collins 7" eps topic and fledg'ling have been putting out are really nicely done, btw.

(also belated hb to sc!)

wowowow she sang "death and the lady"?!
amazing

Thinking I should probably go to this: http://www.musicglue.com/cecilsharphouse/events/31-oct-15-shirley-collins-birthday-bash-cecil-sharp-house/

I forgot about this thread when this turned up on Dime
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=536363

All IN THe downs the 80th Birthday celebration compered by Stewart Lee with the 2nd half being a run through of No Roses featuring Trembling Bells and 2 members of Blur as the backing band.

First half of this is a set of individual Shirley related songs sung by various people including Stewart Lee and John Kirkpatrick who also appears in the No Roses set.

Have known about this for a while, but since it's now been mentioned in the new Mojo...

***NEW ALBUM ON ITS WAY SOON***

Yeah since that is the only mention about the Mojo feature so far, there is a several page feature on her in there tying in with the 80th birthday. NOt as good as the Ugly Things piece that first really turned me onto her but possibly a decent introduction.
Looking forward to the book anyway, so hope it happens. Maybe I need to buy the 3cd tribute to contribute to costs for that.

Have been wondering since reading the Mojo piece where I heard about Anthems In Eden first since I know I picked it up on lp in the late 80s for some reason. But thought the Ugly Things article was my main introduction to her. Could just be that Within Sound came out not that long afterwards so I suddenly became a lot more familiar with her.
I need to pick up another copy of that lp though.

Is she singing on the new album?

Saw her Lomax talk last year and she was just fucking brilliant company. It was a hot night and a tiny venue and towards the end she was clearly struggling until she eventually announced she was going to be sick. She disappeared for ten minutes then came back and did a Q&A. What a lady.

Is she singing on the new album?

I don't really know any great detail about it cos I only heard it secondhand, but I believe it's new recordings.

would be odd if she *wasn't* singing, wouldn't it? guess i'd take an instrumental banjo record from shirley.

She's not been able to sing for thirty years, which is why I asked. I can't remember the name but she has a particular syndrome which means she physically can't sing. It'd be great if she's recovered/conquered it, but like you say, a piano/banjo record would still be fantastic.

Yes she's finally conquered her dysphonia. So she's able to sing again to some extent but unlikely to do a full concert. She's singing with a group of other voices in that All Is Downs recording that's up on Dime.
She did a couple of songs live with Current 93 last year too. Not sure what the story is on the '99 recording of All The Pretty Little Horses, or is that spoken not sung?

Been finally catching up on listening to that massive Shirley Inspired tribute album that came out a while back. Some really terrific re-imaginings here, but I find the more traditional readings to be the best. A lot of unfamiliar (to me) names here, but a wealth of great tracks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06yjk03

happy birthday, shirley!!

first song off the new album :)))))))))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_QMW4mv6As

Shirley Collins - Cruel Lincoln (Official Audio) from the upcoming album Lodestar, out November 4.

My friend Ian playing the guitar

Hard to be objective about this, but she sounds, what am I trying to say, 'her age' I guess. Same lovely phrasing and that way she finishes a line - letting it stretch out into the soundfield. She's going to record in the ossuary at St Leonard's soon; a good friend is the Rev there. Can't wait to hear the results.

:-D

Her voice sounds a good bit stronger than it did when she opened for Current 93 a while back, but yes, there's a distinctly lived-in quality to it

Loved the guitar playing, too - liked the unadorned nature of it. Like 'here's Shirley!' which is more than enough.

http://i1.wp.com/thankfolkforthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/shirley_collins_lodestar_packshot.jpg?resize=768%2C768

http://www.dominorecordco.com/uk/albums/06-09-16/lodestar/

Sooooo excited about this! I love changing aging voices.

sounds GOOD

the guy who played guitar and produced that track is an old fahey-head from the 60s/70s, wouldn't be surprised if 'a raga called pat' etc is an influence on the use of the recorded bird song. not that it's a wildly leftfield thing to do in this day and age. think it works really nicely on that song though.

yeah i like the bird sounds ... what's the guy's name? Ian Kearey?

yeah that's right. was in the oysterband (uk folk rock thing - not really my cup of tea tbh) and also the blue aeroplanes (underrated arty indie band) among other stuff

Hard to be objective about this, but she sounds, what am I trying to say, 'her age' I guess.

not to put to fine a point on it, her singing voice is destroyed. she scarcely comes anywhere near pitch. and as much as i adore shirley collins i don't think her phrasing was ever expressive enough to stand on its own. but this track is more listenable than i would have expected.

this reminds me a bit of the latterday charlie louvin albums, where the drop quotes went on and on about the beautiful louvin harmonies (which indeed were their signature) even as it was obvious that his voice was (at best) a husk of what it once was.

er, TOO FINE not TO FINE

of course, if this music is meaningful/sustaining/beautiful to collins and/or to her fans then more power to all.

i guess i'm just skeptical of the journalistic cliché of old folks' destroyed voices being indicative of some kind of accumulated wisdom. sometimes the withering of the voice either calls up or reveals greatly expressive phrasing, as on some of bob dylan's stuff from the last 20 years (although he is often just way too phlegmy for me). but there's also plenty of cases where the voice is just shot, tout court (e.g. roger daltrey).

sorry i guess i'm just a habitual naysayer.

oh you didn't did you!

i'm not going to make any grand claims about her voice but i'm not really too fussed about what notes she hits, a knackered old voice can still carry personality - always found a charm and mischievousness in shirley's voice and i hear it here too. and there's that feeling of connection to the past - it's an embodiment of the historical sense of the song - so it works where younger contemporary voices might fail to convince

^^^ otm

Older voices do carry/convey wisdom & experience imo

Esp in the folk idiom!

yeah, and there's definitely something wonderful about hearing a voice change over the years -- it's different, perhaps less powerful, but it's still very much her. and I like that.

I loooove that

I think it comes down to how much is 'loaded' onto the singer in question. Like Rubin seems to fetishise old age, somehow, as if it's always already wise. Arguably it worked with Cash because of who he was and what he did (and his old testament bearing), but not so much with Neil Diamond.

Maybe it comes down to 'having something to say'. I saw Shirley in a tiny upstairs space, giving a sort of performance lecture on her Lomax years, and by christ did she 'have something to say' - with her voice, obviously, but in her whole damn being and demeanour. It was a hot night and at one point she had to leave the stage to throw up, but she was back inside five minutes and continued to answer questions. What a lady.

Everyone who sings has something to say. Whether we want to hear it/are interested in it is another story but singing is self-expression regardless. imo

it's moving to hear a whole life in someone's voice

preordered!! i can't believe Death and the Lady is on it!! i feel dizzy with anticipation.

Several page article on her in the new Uncut thanks to this new lp.
Haven't read it yet, just looked through the mag in the shop today.

Shirley's cover star of the new Wire too.

I was at an SC instore tonight, with an interview followed by three and a half songs (the half was a reprise of "Death and the Lady" in full Mississippi blues style, picking up on the slide guitar on the new LP's arrangement (and complete with a sideswipe at Donald Trump). First time I've seen her, it was tremendous; she's amazing.

i am so envious!! i don't normally say that because i generally don't envy that much but to be able to see her perform in a casual setting? what a dream. i love so much about the new album -- the arrangements and instrumentation/general sound, song choices, the familiarity of a shirley collins record, her voice, i love it all. it's so intimate and it hits me right in my heart-area. i don't expect it to convert anyone unfamiliar with this type of folk music, but if you already like (or love) her stuff, you will not be disappointed.

I don't love Old Johnny Buckle as much as the rest, but it's short and there's always one or two goofy songs like that on any SC recording. I appreciate that the whole record isn't super serious to the point of seeming dire or gloomy.

http://thequietus.com/articles/21377-shirley-collins-interview-radio-podcast-favourite-songs-lodestar

so excited to see her at this: https://safeasmilkfestival.com/sam17

after that i think its just bill fay to tick off my list of 'people i will never see'

I'm looking forward to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/shows/mastertapes_26nov16

The programmes from the above are out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f9zq

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088fg44

It was a real pleasure to see these recorded. I had a question accepted but they ran out of time before my question came round. The good news was that I got an absolute plum seat in the front row as a result AND I didn't have to embarrass myself by asking my dumb question.

The question was: "Where do you get your ideas from?"

http://pitchfork.com/features/5-10-15-20/10020-british-folk-icon-shirley-collins-on-the-music-of-her-life/

The Band: “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”

Although this song by the Band was released in 1969, I hadn’t heard it then. But once I had, it became a lifelong favorite—it’s so powerful. This was well into my wilderness years and somehow this song and the Band gave me strength and comfort.

At this point I’d got this variety of jobs, from working in the bookshop at the British Museum to becoming public relations person at Cecil Sharp House, which I regretted within a week. I managed an Oxfam [charity] shop for three or four years, and then took a job at the job centre for the next five or six. And then, thank god, I got to be 60 and could retire and take my state pension.

Alan sent me a copy of the wonderful book he’d written, The Land Where the Blues Began, and I got one mention in it. He wrote, “Shirley Collins, the lovely young English singer who was along for the trip.” I won’t say “fuck,” but I was so angry! I thought, No, I’ve got to sort this out, this is disgraceful.

At the same time my mother said to me, “Would you like your letters from America back, Shirley?” She’d kept all the letters I’d written home, so I was able to start writing my own book. I did point out my role and that I deserved a bit more than “being along for the trip,” because it was really hard work and I think he did better with having me there. I had put a fairly harsh ending on the first edition of the book where I mention his quote and said, “We’ll see about that.” And then he died a couple of years later. For the second edition, I just couldn’t keep that line in. I had to make it a requiem about Alan. You can’t deny the man his absolute worth. I was just so cross that first time. It’s what blokes do, though—they just dismiss women’s roles in the work that’s done. I just couldn’t put up with it that time.

has anyone in London seen the movie? i wanna see it!!

also shirley collins otm
It’s what blokes do, though—they just dismiss women’s roles in the work that’s done. I just couldn’t put up with it that time.

She was involved with Alan Lomax and Ashley Hutchings, which calls into question her taste in men tbh.

would love to see that movie, hopefully it'll be accessible soon in some way!

i like this poster

https://media.vam.ac.uk/media/thira/collection_images/2006BC/2006BC7332_jpg_l.jpg

zip it Tom D! we all make mistakes

alan lomax was an artsy interesting sexist who flattered her and she was 19

love that poster
it looks a lot like the one i have right down to the huge illustrated shirley face surrounded by smaller illustrations of others

sorry for snapping at you Tom D :(

No worries but I didn't think you had!

anyone got this late 70s Dolly / Shirley live album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGfQ0EUgWk

out of print / pricey on discogs

I DO!!!

nm
i thought i had it but turns out i have just looked at that image a bunch because i think i have a file from that album on my computer :(

are some of the tunes from harking back on the within sound box set?

yeah i think at least a couple tunes from that set are from harking back ...

gah those Fledgling releases are so expensive!

that Harking Back disc was released on Current 93's Durtro label which explains why it's out of print and expensive, don't think any of that stuff has ever been repressed

yeah would love to get it — haven't ever tracked down the whole thing.

I recently splurged on one of those early 7" EP reissues, it was like ten bucks

For a recently digitized 1992 interview with Shirl, scroll down to April 1992 (vol 3 #2) -- http://terrascope.online/Archives/Archives.htm

Also it's a good time to listen to the Cherry Tree Carol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_EU1Tq9qEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2qFXIvxb-Q

^^^wow i had never heard about this album until i just decided to seek out other Shirley Collins Xmas deep cuts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holly_Bears_the_Crown

finally heard a couple of pieces from that on the new "introduction to..." comp topic have put out which i'd picked up for the sweet primeroses tracks (also as i discovered featuring yt!) also <3 the d&s/isb poster up there^

having a Lodestar type of morning
she always chooses interesting musicians to work with, it's never boring and always totally shirley <3

don't know if people saw the news of a new memoir:

We’ll soon be announcing details of Shirley Collins’ long-awaited memoir ‘All in the Downs: Reflections on Life, Landscape and Song’.
In the meantime please do see the wonderful 'The Ballad of Shirley Collins', which is on UK release this month. https://t.co/gSyVE0J5AT pic.twitter.com/aZvPH3GCJi

— Strange Attractor (@strangepress) January 5, 2018

also on the npr website today:

https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2018/01/09/575979719/hear-an-unreleased-shirley-collins-song-from-a-new-documentary

I did see it!!!

Cannot wait to read

yeah that'll be great ...
some info

‘The Ballad Of Shirley Collins’ film continues to screen across cinemas in the UK early next year and the film will be free-to stream on the Lush Player in the UK for 20 days only from January 20th 2018.

We will also shortly be announcing the official DVD release. This will come as a deluxe bookback that will feature a range of extras including deleted scenes, audio commentary, behind the scenes footage and an unreleased short film by the filmmakers along with CD of the soundtrack that will include bonus tracks.

Track list
Side A
1. “All I Ever Wanted”
2. Shirley Collins – Cavalry Hill
3. Ishman Williams & The Williams Singers – Got On My Travelling Shoes
4. “Do You Want Me To Start Again, Alan”
5. Texas Gladden – I Never Will Marry
6. Sid Hemphill and Lucius Smith – Come On Boys, Let’s Go To The Ball
7. Horton Barker – A Rich Irish Lady
8. Ian Kearey – The Poor Drowned Sailor
9. Sidney Hemphill Carter – Pharaoh
10. “I Used To Could Sing”
11. Outtake (London, 1959)

Side B
1. “There’s Never Been A Merry England”
2. Andy Hemsley and Hastings Jack In The Green – Seeds Of Love
3. N.J Brothers & The United Sacred Harp Musical Association – Cavalry
4. Lucius Smith – Make Lulu Behave Herself
5. Ruby Vass – Single Girl, Married Girl
6. “I Can’t Really Forget Them”
7. George Stoneman – Sally Anne
8. Michael J York & Ossian Brown – The Cloud House / Cyclobe – Sons Of Sons Of Light / George Collins - Dolly
9. Dolly Collins – Missa Humana (excerpt)
10. Shirley Collins – Wondrous Love

Pre-order link:
https://earthrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/the-ballad-of-shirley-collins

it's UK-only? :(

I think they mean the DVD is in PAL format, not that they won't let people in the US buy the DVD/CD set. Easy enough to rip a PAL DVD and watch it on a computer.

i've heard they're working on getting it to the states sometime soon-ish.

The documentary looks to be streaming on the Lush website: http://player.lush.com/channels/lush/tv/ballad-shirley-collins-film-tim-plester-rob-curry

Not a sentence I ever imagined typing.

Lush like the beauty products store?

I preordered her book!

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I am giving a short presentation about Shirley to my music appreciation class tonight. In addition to general excitement at talking about her music with a captive audience, I can't wait to show them the connection between the Lomax recordings and her recordings and listen to the two different versions of "Death and the Lady"

I feel like she is with me! <3

http://www.thebeesknees.com/wp-content/uploads/sc-3080-web.jpg

http://strangeattractor.co.uk/shoppe/all-in-the-downs/

Could have got free tickets for her appearance at the British Library but had to go back to Scotland for my sister's birthday ;_; Friggin' families, who needs 'em?

¡¡¡¡¡happy birthday shirley!!!!!

Christ, don't do that to me!

I'm just reading her memoir. Hadn't taken in what her Birthday is.
Book is really good as was America Over the Water.

83 years old, HBSC

i am allowed to wish shirley a happy birthday because she is still with us! celebrate, don't have a heart attack :)

she is a living treasure. i have been saving her new book for a special time to focus on it. i did the same thing with america over the water and read it on a trip. perfect!!!

her set in Birmingham a fortnight ago was my favourite musical performance of 2018 so far

i heard rumours there might be another album on the way btw

awweeeeesoooommmeeee

her set in Birmingham a fortnight ago was my favourite musical performance of 2018 so far
more details please!

who did she play with/who was in her band and what did they play
what songs did she sing
venue?

setlist is here https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/shirley-collins/2018/the-crossing-birmingham-england-1bea15b0.html

there were I think five musicians onstage inc the Cyclobe guys who produced Lodestar? or poss just Ossian. also a morris dancer who gamboled across the stage intermittently

there was also a live interview type thing earlier in the day which was good (esp the part where she named Ewan McColl as an historical sex pest) and wrt Nick's post did mention upcoming recording sessions for a new album!

sorry not as detailed as you wanted but yeah it was was wonderful

that is more than i had before, thank you!

Yeah it was a Lodestar run through, but the ?mandolin? couldn't get the right tuning for Sur le Borde de l'Eau despite it having had the full intro from Shirley. Thousands Or More was a nice easy sing-along to fill the gap.

I've just come to the part of All In The Downs where she says she loathes jazz. God, I guess everybody can't be perfect but did hope she might enjoy some of the decent stuff.
Oh well, she did look amazing in the 60s.
Sounded quite good too, but would have loved to hear some more jazz in her sound.
BUt I guess that goes against her singing style.

I finally decided it was time to start reading All in the Downs (I was saving it) and it is such a gigantic treat to hear/read/spend time with Shirley's voice again. I am loving every single minute of reading it. Her writing style reminds me so much of her singing style -- straightforward, unembellished, yet still very distinctively hers. I love her so much!!!

i heard a story about a jane doe ("mountain jane doe") whose body was never claimed the other day and it reminded me of this song. i had not realized the live version with intro was on youtube but here it is <3 <3 <3 to infinity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGfQ0EUgWk

who knows -- looks like it has been there since 2009? that was sort of past my prime shirley-obsessed years
i love the spare arrangement of this version

forgot to wish Shirley a happy birthday -- happy birthday Shirley! I <3 you always and forever!

Happy Birthday!!

This just snuck up on me at the end of a tough week and god alive it's extraordinary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaJw-ryhBB0

I think the album with Dolly (Anthems in Eden) is my favourite single record she's involved with.

Always scared of reviving this thread, for fear of giving people palpitations, but Lodestar is killing me this evening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIptsu_pFhI

Lodestar really is great.
Recently came across this, which is also great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNO836enS-8

I had another delightful time introducing my students to her music and I always play the Death & the Lady from Lodestar. One student declared it “heavy”. I also kept my audience captive for the short version of my Maria Marten spiel and we listened to the song at the end of class one day. 💕

That session is lovely, Tyler!

She is so funny -- right now she is "furious" and posting on facebook because the BBC isn't airing Paddington 2

Paddington 2 is the perfect antidote for this current situation. I really felt that I needed it.

I have never seen Paddington 2 but now I want to watch it because if Shirley loves it, it's gotta be good right?

It is.

I've not bought Lodestar because I worry her voice isn't up to it.

New album:

.@shirleyeCollins announces new album, Heart’s Ease – watch a video for the song, "Wondrous Love"https://t.co/rZSOIr0i9o

— Uncut Magazine (@uncutmagazine) May 27, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwLrUuGT288

Not wild about the video but lovely to hear her in fine fettle.

Yes, she sounds great! Looking forward to hearing her sing Canadee-i-o

love it — i think her voice sounds great now. obviously lower range, but it's still unmistakably Shirley.

So there's at least one song on the new album about Paddington then?

i thought this was fantastic, apparently written in the 60s by her first husband, rediscovered on some ancient tape of her and Davy Graham and rerecorded with Nathan Salsburg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2oIMUKIPM

interview / favourite albums thing in the quietus:

https://thequietus.com/articles/28545-shirley-collins-interview-favourite-music?page=1

Awesome.

One of the many awesome things about that interview is that a couple of the albums she picks have album covers so awful or generic yet I still want to hear them all right now. Can't judge a book, etc.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/quietus_production/images/articles/28545/i__1594058957_resize_460x400.jpg

lol i have that cd but i never added it to my collection in discogs because my god it's ugly (just like 95% of folk cds tbh). nic jones is super great though

She's a treasure <3

Can vouch for Lankum's Between The Earth And Sky being really great, dark and droney. As for the rest (apart from Vaughn Williams) I've no idea but am ready to be surprised.

her new 2020 song came up recently in Discovery and blew me away, now I forget the name of course

great interview!!! classic shirley <3 <3 <3
https://toneglow.substack.com/p/022-shirley-collins

really nice interview, still so classic. new album is great!

i liked the part about how she and her sister used to sleep in the metal box to protect themselves from air raids
poignant and gnarly, just like a good folk song!!

I was just totally bowled over by Heart's Ease, and I've never really listened to much Collins before. I think I've heard No Roses and maybe one Shirley & Dolly one? -- looking forward to exploring more. I suppose I was poised to be emotionally moved by the fact that on the cover she looks quite a bit like my late grandmother, but there's definitely something special about hearing an octogenarian sing these old songs right now, or any songs maybe (I also like the new Dylan much more than I expected to). Enjoying that interview now, thanks LL!

yes this is really really nice, RIYL other recent "nu-trad-folk" releases like Lankum (unsurprising but cool to learn she's a fan), BLH or some Unthanks. it's been said but she really does sound amazing for her age.

public service announcement - she's doing a concert at the barbican next weekend, which you can watch via a paid livestream:

https://www.barbican.org.uk/whats-on/2021/event/shirley-collins-the-lodestar-band-live-from-the-barbican

Ooooooh! Thanks for the alert!

Wowza

been rinsing this one lately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sn3ZgtIsFw

Usual stab of anxiety whenever this thread gets bumped? CHECK!

But aye, what a glorious album.

sorry Chinaski, but she has a new album coming out in May!

https://shirleycollins.bandcamp.com/album/archangel-hill

One of the most important voices in British folk music Shirley Collins returns with Archangel Hill, her third album for Domino. Due for release on May 26th, it showcases another peerless collection of songs chosen by Collins, some from traditional sources but others from favourite writers of hers.

Produced by Ian Kearey - Shirley Collins’ musical director - the arrangements were shared between Collins, Kearey, Pip Barnes, as well as Dave Arthur and Pete Cooper, players from The Lodestar Band.

All of the songs on Archangel Hill were recorded last year except for “Hand And Heart”, which was taken from a live performance at the Sydney Opera House in 1980 and features an arrangement by Shirley’s beloved and talented sister Dolly Collins.

Hooray! Go Shirley!

yay. had somehow not noticed dave arthur played on the last two albums.

also just learned that there's been a new & updated iteration of the electric muse book/comp including the circa folk roots/new routes track that i think only came as a bonus on the deluxe version of heart's ease.

https://www.discogs.com/release/19452991-Various-The-Electric-Muse-Revisited-The-Story-Of-Folk-Into-Rock-And-Beyond

Yaaaaay get it Shirley!!

https://shirleycollins.bandcamp.com/album/archangel-hill

nobody? very good record imho