BOWIE VS STEELY

Far and away, DB.

Psssh.

I should grab the popcorn now.

yeah tombot wants ILX's head to blow clean the fuck off

the sex toys win

or the sex toy wins?

Fun idea.

Steely Dan can turn "Station to Station" into something every bit as imperious as (and maybe nastier than) Bowie's. I can also hear Bowie singing "Third World Man." But he's utterly incapable of "Peg" – it would sound like "Blue Jean."

undoable

yeah tough, but I can say that SD hasn't ever done anything that outright sucked, so... there is that.

impossible

steely dan wins on consistency i guess but bowie has as many good albums as there are steely dan albums

I haven't even started reading the No Age thread. I hope this takes a day or two to start clusterfucking.

Fleetwood Mac in a heartbeat.

roxy music vs doobie bros.

http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/dre800/e823/e82310lph7b.jpg

Roxy's bros v. doobie music?

david bowie ---> real name david jones -->changed because of davy jones of the monkees-->was in the musical Oliver! as a boy -->musical has a character by the name of Fagin -->donald fagen

Steely Dan = always boring
David Bowie = only sometimes boring

uh I don't think anyone can rep for that Tin Machine nonsense so I'm saying: THE DAN

David Bowie has more flavors, and more songs that still surprise me, so Bowie.

Steely Dan = always boring
David Bowie = only sometimes boring

Is Fake Tuomas branching out into crustier realms of RONGness?

Steely Dan have always been awful, wine-bar, patches-on-the-elbows-of-your-corduroy-blazer CRAP. Bowie's had his rough moments, but he's capable of a brilliance that "the Dan" could never hope to attain in a thousand years.

OH MAN BUT WHEN THEY GET HOME FROM THE WINE BAR

Steely Dan, easy.

That scathing scare-quotation of "the Dan" is the moneyshot up there.

http://homepage.mac.com/alexinnyc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2007-09-28%2005.59.27%20-0700/Image-C30C58296DC111DC.jpg

No patches, but...

i've seen your picture...

(I always thought Alex tolerated - maybe even begrudgingly respected - "the Dan")

I begrudgingly respect the dan and even agree that CBAT is a pretty can't-miss album but up against the bowie they are some watered-down chardonnay

If Alex had ever been to a wine bar, he'd know that a jacket with elbow patches is the LAST thing you'd wear.

Knew that picture would come back to haunt me. Just out of shot, of course, it my BEER (I don't do wine well).

I respect the Dan, but that doesn't mean I have to like nor listen to them. And compared to Bowie? Give me a break. That don't stand a chance.

And that jacket's not corduroy, btw.

Seriously, though, Steely Dan never rocked. Never shocked. Never pushed the envelope. Never challenged. They just make jazzy muso sophisto-pop. Yawn.

you're drinking HEINEKEN in that picture though is the thing

All in fun, Alex. Just that your original comment gave me some deja vu.

TAKING SIDES: Steely Dan vs. The Circle Jerks

It was the only beer on offer (high school reunion held at restaurant of former classmate's father. Open bar. Wine or Heineken. I chose Heineken. And would again).

your original comment gave me some deja vu.

Clearly, I'm running out of tricks.

i was just kidding too. and i feel like i've made fun of that heineken before

I begrudgingly respect the danBowie and even agree that CBATChangesbowie is a pretty can't-miss album but up against the bowieSteely Dan they are some watered-down chardonnayhe is a soulless robot.

ok if you think david bowie is a soulless robot compared to Dan I'm really not sure how you listen to music
aja sounds like it was made with fucking pro tools, in a bad way

jazzy muso sophisto-pop

I feel like I'm repeating myself, too, but this sounds awesome.

aja sounds like it was made with fucking pro tools, in a bad way

slick =/= emotionless

actually in terms of sound quality it is very slick, but totally and analog album, not thin or grating sounding like bad pro tools stuff.

Bowie "pushed the boundaries"?

funny, they both look worse compared to the other, to me. against steely dan, bowie's working class intellectual theatre bs looks sort of grasping and desperate. against bowie, steely dan's perfectionism looks really paranoid and fearful. they're both... thin skinned? in a way.

tom i think the production technology SD used in the studio was just a small mountain of cocaine

i love steely dan to death. i unreservedly love every album they made in their original go-round. and i think "the rise and fall of ziggy..." and "low," to name just two, completely blow away anything they ever did. so. bowie.

It's a close tie these days. At their best Bowie and SD are absolute triumphs of persona, sound, and vision (har har). For me both Low and Gaucho delineate a kind of urban malaise; the latter just happens to be the West Coast kind.

David Bowie has never made an album I could listen to all the way through. On the other hand, there are times when spending my whole life listening to Gaucho on a loop seems very appealing indeed.

this is easy because Bowie made plenty of genuinely shitty records, which SD never did

Bowie "pushed the boundaries"?

It may seem laughable today, but yes. Yes, he did.

bowie made a video referencing la jetee

bowie has portrayed both nikola tesla and pontius pilate in films

I can also hear Bowie singing "Third World Man."

I want this to exist. If only to pick it apart and decide it's nowhere near as goos as Dan.

Bowie "pushed the boundaries"?

It may seem laughable today, but yes. Yes, he did.

Low still sounds fresh, and inventive, today. (I like Steely Dan fine, though).

The Dan never had an album cover as unfortunate as "Diamond Dogs."

Steely Dan by a couple of lightyears. I never really got the appeal of Bowie except "Rebel Rebel" which is divine.

muso-imago-grammatically speaking: singular plural vs plural singular.
which, honestly speaking, in this particular case i don't give much of a toss at the moment. cannot recall when was the last time i listened to either of them with any eagerness.

the older I get, the less I give a whoop-de-doo about bowie, and the more I understand Steely Dan on a frightening, soul-sick level. :(

(esp. Gaucho.)

b-b-but did vote for bowie tho. for i remember liking some of his stuff a lot once a-ponzatime. never been much of a dan admirer, really.

Steely Dan never performed on "Soul Train".

but they so could have!

the older I get, the less I give a whoop-de-doo about bowie, and the more I understand Steely Dan on a frightening, soul-sick level. :(

It's called dementia.

Did Bowie ever have fans like these?

xpost Yes, it is.

The Dan never had an album cover as unfortunate as "Diamond Dogs."

The hell they didn't.

http://img.crocmusic.com/l/albums/50/steely_dan_countdown_to_ecstasy.jpg

As I get older, I find it difficult to appreciate pushing-the-boundaries for its own sake. Low is a great record without worrying about how fresh it sounds. Judging acts by innovative they are is self-defeating.

i like bowie and steely dan both very much.

i think gff is right they hit me as being more alike in a weird way than most of the ppl on this thread would admit

Steely Dan = always boring
David Bowie = only sometimes boring

Is Fake Tuomas branching out into crustier realms of RONGness?

-- David R., Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Steely Dan have always been awful, wine-bar, patches-on-the-elbows-of-your-corduroy-blazer CRAP. Bowie's had his rough moments, but he's capable of a brilliance that "the Dan" could never hope to attain in a thousand years.

-- Alex in NYC, Tuesday, May 6, 2008 7:09 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Is Fake bizarro-world burt stanton branching out into crustier realms of RONGness?

That could possibly sum up this thread in a nutshell

David Bowie is one of the most worthless pop stars EVER.

but seriously, i have been tempted to listen to steely dan several times in the past few weeks, but have been unable to consumate. i suspect this is largely b/c my copies of aja and gaucho are in storage at the moment, and i am not feeling the earlier stuff just at this moment.

in any case, based on comments upthread, i have to say that i appreciate the way that gershy's mind works.

Let's put it this way: Steely Dan did the smart thing by sitting out the eighties.

haha

i like 'low' and a couple of those early '70s albums but i don't really enjoy david bowie's music. i think i like his acting more.

enjoy his music aside from those exceptions

His music IS acting, which is a large part of its interest.

the thing is, the tin machine apologists are somehow gonna tip this thread over; wait and see. i would expect nothing less from the fabled ILX HIVE MIND blah blah blah

i find his stylistic changes more interesting aesthetically and visually than aurally.

when it comes to visual aesthetics*, i can't write today

If you ask me directly, yeah, sure, Bowie, sure of course, he's great, Low is excellent, I can sing along with the rest of the car, of course. But do I pull the records out much?...

His music IS acting, which is a large part of its interest.

I'd say his *best* acting is music:)

(X-pst!)

xpost

yeah, that's why this thread is truly tombot's attempt to implode habitual posters' minds. we should pretty much hang our heads in defeat or else be prostrating towards oranges and apples into perpetuity.

i owned this double disc comp of bowie stuff and it was good but i could never get through it without getting a little bored. but i could sit down and listen to the first 7 SD albums + the nightfly one after the other without stopping.

um...i totally don't hate the first tin machine record.

it's no nightfly or 12 tracks of whack though

I am using this question on all of my friends.

For me, the remark above about consummation and the tired, muttered zing about dildos pretty much sum up my feelings about "The Dan"—it's like jerking off without the orgasm. Occasionally fun but rarely rewarding.

Jerking off without the orgasm doesn't count as jerking off, though. It's just moisturizing.

thin white lube.

Nobody did Steely Dan better than Steely Dan, but everyone who did Bowie did Bowie better, for pretty much every stage of his career - I'd much rather listen to the Associates, or glam Eno, or etc etc etc.

i think gff is right they hit me as being more alike in a weird way than most of the ppl on this thread would admit

yeah which is why this poll is not a troll

I would like to hear steely dan produce iggy pop

I personally would not.

um...i totally don't hate the first tin machine record.

i wasn't busting on that record; just acknowledging that there is love for tm here.

tombot, fwiw, i wasn't accusing you of trolling, just emphasizing the enormity of the conundrum that you have backed people into.

I would like to hear steely dan produce iggy pop

I would like to hear Nile Rodgers produce Steely Dan!

I would like to hear steely dan produce iggy pop

Chris Stein kinda gave him the Steely Dan treatment.

This thread title makes me think of knives

the connection is that becker fagen and bowie consumed by themselves like 60% of all cocaine sold in the 1970s

I prefer Steely Dan because lyrically they kill Bowie dead and their stuff has just always registered deeper w/me, but the Bowie-haters on this thread are really confusing. Not to be more of a dick than I am, but what the fuck is wrong with you people? Everybody knows David Bowie is awesome. This "oh no contest, Bowie sucks" shit is like saying "I am too young to remember when Bowie was loved by anybody with taste & am too lazy to actually do a little research."

goddamn kids gotta get the fuck off my lawn, is what

see I figure bowie is way better than steely dan because whenever I can understand wtf he's singing about it always sounds cooler than whatever uh.jpg love story steely dan are always going on about

lyrically speaking I mean

steely dan do not have many love songs at all, dude. their lyrics are super dark.

Tom I think we ask different things of our lyricists, what I love about Fagen's lyrics is 1) they're an object lesson on how to keep your sense of humor when shit is hopeless and 2) the stories, once you unpack them, are really compelling

I will refrain from engaging in the Danbot's native desire to type out trenchant couplets however

also I don't think Bowie has it in him to cap on SFJ

http://www.donaldfagen.com/writing_items.php?itemID=96

I just feel like the overall outlook of SD lyriscwise is akin to that one married dude who posted about stalking his crush who also happened to work at his kids' daycare center. I really hardly ever care about lyrics though so wvs pointless argument

yeah Tom it's safe to say that you haven't really understood anything about what SD are really about. that's cool and all, but really, your dislike of them seems rooted in having missed the point.

(not sayin' YOU MUST LIKE THEM or anything but it's like if I were saying "Bowie's lyrics suck because they fail to accurate describe the consequences of Vitamin B deficiency")

john is otm.

like I said, I don't get lyrics!! I don't know why I even bothered to say anything about it because I'm talking to guys who actually write their own and pay attention to this shit while I think T✧✧@K✧✧.E✧✧ and Karl Hyde are perfectly acceptable

Honestly, this debate about lyrics is stupid. If they're good/bad enough to pay attention to, you pay attention to them; and Bowie's got some whoppers. Not enough to discount him, but, whoa, that "Time gets a cigarette" bullshit is enough to make me hurl.

"Time TAKES a cigarette," sweetz. Sorry but it's my fave Bowie.

"Bowie's lyrics suck because they fail to accurate describe the consequences of Vitamin B deficiency")

Wait a minute. "Diamond Dogs" describes that affliction quite accurately.

Oh I pick The Dan even tho I heart Bowie.

btw "It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love" is more direct than Becker-Fagen ever wrote and is absolutely marvelous.

I note that you have placed an unusual value on "direct" which is usually not where yr heart lies Alfred

I'm not an idealogue about these things; besides, this is a very specific match-up.

yes, what are some of the other weird but maddening matchups that have happened on ILM...I'd like to read some more bickering!

Search any Dave Q thread from 2001 to 2003.

bowie vs. steely vs. nicky wire in a banana suit

Though I'll provide some help:

Taking Sides - Beatles vs Van Halen

Taking Sides: Punk vs. Hardcore

TS: Joy Division vs. Flipper (hint - FLIPPERFLIPPERFLIPPER!!!)

Taking Sides: Third Eye Blind vs. Sugar Ray

With all due respect, Ned, those suck...i'm lookin for thorny debates of the kind that seem to be hard for people to choose a side

Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

Jay-Z/Nas and other hip-hop throwdowns? Pt. 3: Still Going . . .

Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

truly a conundrum.

the Dan - lyrics, jazz, New Yorkers, kindness among the knife twists, made several good-to-great records. if you don't like them, you don't like beauty.

Bowie - some really great hair once he got to the third decade, but the various singles i've heard are typically guilty of one or more sins of being style-crampingly euro, shamelessly derivative, or merely boring. The only ones to really stand out to my ears are Fame, a great piece of art-rock; Rebel Rebel and maybe Young Americans, pretty good facsimiles of rock 'n roll and r&b songs; and Changes, which I'm not gonna deny even if it isn't really my style.* Those have been enough to keep him on my list for years, but never to compel me to dispose of $ on even a single long-player. I just heard Golden Years for the first time, tho, and that's way up there.

* I also like the Thursday's Child video, which at worst rips off Madonna fakes sentiment and self-knowledge well.

Great Steely Dan "love" songs: "Things I Miss the Most" and "Everything Must Go." Man, divorce sounds like a hoot and a half.

"or glam Eno"

Which is?

Gleno

Ha. Who followed Steely Dan, actually? China Crisis? Microdisney? As far as people doing them goes?

steely dan: loved by chaki, bozelka, gabbneb and that fuck from the mountain goats.

enjoy your tofu, douche parade

gree hee hee hee

I have never consciously listened to Steely Dan. This is probably down to being British and in my 20s. I own several Bowie records. Bowie wins for me.

You get to seem like you have more HIP WEIRD KNOWLEDGABLE taste if you like Steely Dan, I think. I like (love, even) both but shit, Bowie easy.

"It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love" is more direct

How is that line direct? It's Bowie at his most deluded! And in any case the whole song is full of obtuse Crowley references and the like. Hardly direct.

Steely Dan = great. Bowie wins.

This is actually a hard pick as both are amazing (or were in the 70s). But picked Bowie because he managed to do great stuff within so many different styles.

GONGRO'S ON MY TEAM!!!
EAT IT YACHT SQUAD

I've got loads more into Steely Dan over the last 5 years or so, and they're more consistently good I suppose & Bowie has made some far worse records for sure (I am not in any way a Tin M/c apologist, those are some rotten records), but "Man Who Sold the World" through to "Scary Monsters" - less the live albums - is a pretty unfuckable with run, and if you cut it down to "station to station" through to "scary monsters", I don't think anyone's made a better set of records than that, so Bowie = winnar for me.

the various singles i've heard are typically guilty of one or more sins of being style-crampingly euro, shamelessly derivative, or merely boring. The only ones to really stand out to my ears are Fame, a great piece of art-rock; Rebel Rebel and maybe Young Americans, pretty good facsimiles of rock 'n roll and r&b songs

(from gabbneb above)

i hate when euros get all euroey

Let's do an album by album compare and contrast:

Can't Buy A Thrill vs Ziggy Stardust
"Brooklyn Owes The Charmer" vs crap pantomime
DAN 1, DAVE 0

Countdown To Ecstasy vs Aladdin Sane
"Don't give a fuck" >>>>> "Time falls wanking to the floor"
DAN 2, DAVE 0

Pretzel Logic vs Diamond Dogs
DAN 3, DAVE 0

Katy Lied vs Young Americans
NO SCORE DRAW
DAN 3, DAVE 0

The Royal Scam vs Station To Station
LATE SURGE
DAN 3, DAVE 1

Aja vs Low
THE BOY'S FIGHTING BACK!
DAN 3, DAVE 2

Gaucho vs Scary Monsters
LAST MINUTE EQUALISER!!

FINAL SCORE: DAN 3, DAVE 3

RESULT: DRAW!!

(I did not feel it fair to compare late period crap Dan reunion albums with late period crap Bowie albums)

"or glam Eno"

Which is?

Apollo - Atmospheres & Soundtracks

I was with Dingbod but then Fagen went on to make Nightfly and Bowie did Let's Dance so "The Dan" win!

Sadly, cancelled out by Walter Becker's production of the second China Crisis album.

since i have 2 records of Dan on my ipod and non by bowie - Dan is my asnwer

Steely Dan, easy. What else would I listen to in the marina?

deicide

... OK then, I've deicided to vote for Bowie

I really can't fucking stand Bowie's voice - nails down blackboard really. Steely by default.

I quite like Phil Cornwell's impression of Bowie.

ledge, you left out the part where i said madonna came first

Xgau Xcerpts:

Ziggy Stardust
offering an unusually candid and detailed vantage on the rock star's world. Admittedly, for a long time I wondered who cared, besides lost kids for whom such access feels like privilege. The answer is, someone like Bowie--a middlebrow fascinated by the power of a highbrow-lowbrow form.

Aladdin Sane
asexuality--the affliction of a romantic for whom love turns nasty, awkward, and exploitative when touched by lust.

Pin-Ups
when Bowie screams he sounds arch. And that ain't rock and roll. Yet.

Diamond Dogs
Despite two good songs and some thoughtful (if unhummable) rock sonorities, this is doomsday purveyed from a pleasure dome. Message: eat, snort, and be pervy, for tomorrow we shall be peoploids--but tonight how about buying this piece of plastic?

Station to Station
All of the six cuts are too long, I suppose, including the one that originated with Johnny Mathis, and David sounds like he's singing to us via satellite. But spaceyness has always been part of his shtick, and anybody who can merge Lou Reed, disco, and Huey Smith--the best I can do with the irresistible "TVC 15"--deserves to keep doing it for 5:29.

Low
most of the movie music on side two is so far from hypnotic that I figure Bowie, rather than Eno, must deserve credit for it. I mean, is Eno really completely fascinated by banality?

Let's Dance
Rodgers & Bowie are a rich combo in the ways that count as well as the ways that don't, and this stays up throughout, though it's perfunctory professional surface does make one wonder whether Bowie-the-thespian really cares much about pop music these days. "Modern Love" is the only interesting new song, the remakes are pleasantly pointless, and rarely has such a lithe rhythm player been harnessed to such a flat groove. Which don't mean the world won't dance to it.

Tonight
What makes Bowie a worthy entertainer is his pretensions, his masks, the way he simulates meaning. He has no special gift for convincing emotions or good tunes--when he works at being "merely" functional he's merely dull, or worse.

Changesbowie
sometimes horrible vocals are all the stylistic unity you need

Heathen
The reason Englishmen have actually touted him as the greatest rock artiste of all time is that he's the least American major rock artiste of all time, which is one reason his careful brand maintenance isn't filling any arenas over here.

Dan version:

Can't Buy a Thrill
as you might expect of New York natives who reside in the City of the Angels, both brim with ambivalence: "Do It Again," a catchy modified mambo with homogenized vocals that divert one's attention from its tragic tale of a loser so compulsive he can't get himself hanged, and "Reelin' in the Years," a hate song to a professed genius. Think of the Dan as the first post-boogie band: the beat swings more than it blasts or blisters, the chord changes defy our primitive subconscious expectations, and the lyrics underline their own difficulty--as well as the difficulty of the reality to which they refer--with arbitrary personal allusions, most of which are ruses.

Countdown to Ecstasy
they achieve a deceptively agreeable studio slickness--perfect licks that crackle and buzz when you listen hard, Grass Roots harmonies applied to words that are usually twisted. Not only does "Bodhisattva" come on like a jazzed-up "Rock Around the Clock"--it shines like China and sparkles like Japan.

Pretzel Logic
"Rikki Don't Lose That Number" blends into AM radio with an intro appropriated from Horace Silver, while the other side-opener builds a joyous melody of Bird riffs underneath a lyric that invites one and all to "take a piece of Mr. Parker's band." The solos are functional rather than personal or expressive, locked into the workings of the music. And even when Donald Fagen's voice dominates as it comes out of the speakers it tends to sink into the mix in the mind's ear--recollected in tranquility, the vocals seem like the golden mean of pop ensemble singing, stripped of histrionics and displays of technique, almost . . . sincere, modest. Yeah, sure.

Katy Lied
Opening with an economic crash and closing with a smacked-out rumination about succor, betrayal, and Vietnam, the first side seems surprisingly sweet and lyrical--mostly by way of the Manhattan nostalgia of "Bad Sneakers" and the faithless passion of "Rose Darling," but also, and most tellingly, in the rumination. This is a matter of rhythm and timbre rather than verbal content--the music lets us know that their cynicism is no more a celebration of cynicism than their smack references are a celebration of smack, lets us know we can break the habit

Aja
by now they realize they'll never get out of El Lay, so they've elected to sing in their chains like the sea. After all, to a certain kind of reclusive aesthete, well-crafted West Coast studio jazz is as beautiful as anything else, right? Only I'm no recluse. I hated this record for quite a while before I realized that, unlike The Royal Scam, it was stretching me some; I still find the solo licks of Larry Carlton, Victor Feldman, et al. too fucking tasty, but at least in this context they mean something. I'm also grateful to find Fagen and Becker's collegiate cynicism in decline; not only is "Deacon Blues" one of their strongest songs ever, it's also one of their warmest.

Two Against Nature
Rocking past your prescribed time doesn't oblige you to feign "youth," especially if you weren't so crazy about either rock or youth to begin with. But for damn sure the possibility is going to occur to you. And now that Fagen and Becker have passed 50 it becomes clear that they have a unique solution to this problem. Thrown together, they're permanent college boys, tied to the roots of their relationship at small, arty, expensive Bard. The bull-session one-upsmanship of their synergy suggests nothing so much as a less slapstick version of National Lampoon, which was very much a reflection of the same '60s worldview (meaning early '60s worldview) the solo Fagen celebrated--rather more lyrically than he ever gets with Becker--in The Nightfly. And they're premature pseudosophisticates to this day. Their cynicism, their obscurantism, their compulsive cleverness, their devotion to agreed-upon totems of musical cool--all are hallmarks of the kind of bond that develops between too-smart sophomores who aren't as sure of themselves as they pretend to be, especially around women.
...
Though the songs are fictions, they're also revelations--glimpses of middle-aged sophomores looking for validation and the kind of excitement they always held at a distance in the end. Far removed classwise from the petty loserdom of Katy Lied and Can't Buy a Thrill, they're full of heady infatuations and random acts of cruelty, self-interest and self-hate, vicious cycles blowing hot and cold. Precise, hip, worried, waiting by the phone for a negative girl or brimming with pedophile delight at a runaway's cute sexy ways, Fagen always conveys the urgency of attraction. Whether the objects of desire are young or not, which is usually left unspecified, they got the juice, so that the metaphor is less being able to get it up than being unable to restrain yourself, which is the first thing fiftysomethings miss when their libidos begin to run down--and also the difference between a rote comeback and a near rebirth.

If the price of making a good record is looking like dirty old men, Fagen and Becker have no qualms about paying. Long ago they began their careers as staff songwriters, and for all their jazzy proclivities, song is their element. Imagine the incredibly skilled and through-composed music alone and it's pretty annoying--Medeski Martin & Wood without that band's showoff eccentricity, which in this context would come as a relief. Contemplate the lyrics just as writing and they're also pretty annoying--the superannuated sex fantasies of the rich and neurotic. Put the two together and you have the stuff of great rock and roll that no one has ever come close to duplicating--not even worthy inheritors like Tom Ze and Freedy Johnston. Male computer nerds who've mastered a culture of affluence without making sense of their sex lives should listen up. They won't learn a damn thing, that's not really the idea. But they'll feel a little less alone.

Freedy Johnston!

lol Tom if you really wanna play dueling fanbases I got about a million Bowie fanboy links I'm sure you'll feel real great about being lumped in with

They both have clear strengths: Bowie has better hair than Becker or Fagen. But the Dan has Michael McDonald singing backup, and he's got better hair than Bowie, plus a beard.

he's got better hair than Bowie, plus a beard

you are insane

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I have about five dan tracks on my ipod and they all sound the same. i have about five bowie albums and they all sound different (and great). so, bowie.

(just joining in with the general fanboy/clueless theme of thread)

Every time I've heard any SD they've slid straight off my ears. Bowie X1,000,000.

i mean, i love the dan, but ppl are starting to talk shit about bowie's HAIR? that ain't right. that mane is top 10 of all time.

I have about five dan tracks on my ipod and they all sound the same. i have about five bowie albums and they all sound different (and great). so, bowie.

-- ledge, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 12:33 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

This is not a bad thing

that mane is top 10 of all time.

His hair can't hold a candle to Michael McDonald's!

omg KEEP MICHAEL MCDONALD'S HAIR AWAY FROM OPEN FLAME

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/94992/ghostrider_qjgenth.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/65/197232714_1a90298f64_o.png

michael mcD has a sweet silver session dude mullet, i ain't gonna lie, but c'mon bowie's hair can do it all...glam shag, proto-new wave slick, 80s big....bowie's hair is a complete player, can hit the outside shot, good post moves, rebounding, good passing and can run the offense...those locks go off for a triple double every night....

There's only one way to settle this, once and for all............

yeah that's why I made a poll on ILM about it

Top four American Idolers did "Reelin' in the Years" tonight in their typical Up With People style.

Um, and it was "500 Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll" week (the 500 songs courtesy of The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame). Where they usually medley The Beatles or whoever, "Reelin'" was the only song they performed which means it stood in for ALL 500 SONGS!

ergo bowie wins

too bad it wasn't "showbiz kids".

? bowie vs anyone --> bowie

steely dan: loved by chaki, bozelka, gabbneb and that fuck from the mountain goats.

enjoy your tofu, douche parade

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 12:44 AM (22 hours ago) Bookmark Link

me and john d vs

http://www.lifeishell.de/oldcontent/goths2.jpg

sorry but bowie easy

Bowie has had some truly crap low points, but the high points of his career have been great. You can't say he's had a boring career.

Whereas everything about Steely Dan is boring.

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you guys are going to be so aggravatingly ILM about this shit aren't you

And only you can divert the ILM Space Ark from its collision course with the asteroid.

ILM is so fuckin ILM sometimes

steely dan: loved by chaki, bozelka, gabbneb and that fuck from the mountain goats.

i agree with gabbneb on ILE somewhat frequently.

enjoy your tofu, douche parade
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somebody's got to pick up the slack

I was gonna refuse to vote on this cos it's impossible but instead I've reacted against the terrible negative campaigning on this thread.

niles is otm. It's like when you turn on MTV and you say "yup, that's exactly what I expected to see.." This thread made me say that.

I don't think there is a single artist or band that I would choose over Steely Dan.

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McCain vs Obama.

whatevs, amigos.

wow!!!

lurkertronics

haha wow, indeed. I'm pretty sure I didn't even vote.

http://i32.tinypic.com/11w9b48.gif

an example of the Politics of the Old.

you guys, people can vote once a day.

Hey, chaki's right! I never knew that before.

you guys, people can vote once a day.

Ah, that would explain why The Dan got as many votes.

There's no one who can hold a candle to the Dan. Pretzel Logic - what a masterpiece.

Wasn't there a "holding a candle to the Dan" scene in Naked Lunch? Come to think of it, wouldn't Burroughs be the pivot man in this whole circle jerk?

you guys, people can vote once a day.

-- chaki, Monday, May 12, 2008 7:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I haven't been able to do this lately. Not that I ever did in a serious poll such as this. I figured maybe they fixed then glitch

fuck!
"the glitch"

then is the new teh

Let's put it this way: Steely Dan did the smart thing by sitting out the eighties.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, May 6, 2008 9:27 PM (1 year ago)

That quote is beyond priceless.