Royal Trux : Classic or Dud ?

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or just an inbetweener ?

ALSO - what about harmelodics - who needs that as a justification for playing watchawant whenyawant ?

Accelerator - I think everyone loved it cause it wasn't total shite like the previous albums

Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used to like Cats n' Dogs. NEVER liked Twin Infinitives (also known as music for posers rockstar wannabe junkie art school drop outs) and, even though I thought the "aerosmithy" later album was listenable, I got bored of them. Now, I get nothing out of Cats N' Dogs except annoying attitude from self-absorbed, self-destructive, overgrown brats that think not taking showers is cool. That Aerosmithy one, though (with Ray-O-vac) is STILL okay, but rarely do I think to put it on. They annoy me. Yes.

, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

probably dud, but only because their albums are overlong - the last song on veterans of disorder (forget the name) is about 7 minutes of pretentious guitarwank which the world could have done without. i remember reading a press clipping sounding really impressed that this was neil hagerty's longest ever solo. however, at other times, they do sound on fire, it just never quite gets going enough. jennifer herrema (sp?) is, however, the coolest woman in rock. without a shadow of a doubt...

Bill

Bill, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

So very in between. I have only heard everything from Thank You and later, except for Twin Infinitives, which I didn't like at all and eventually sold (and it wasn't because it was too noisy.) They have a handful of really, really great songs ("I'm Ready," "Stevie," "Yo Se!") but all the records I have are about half tracks I skip. I get annoyed by Herrerma's singing, though I realize most people consider her some kind of rock goddess (could it be because she is beautiful?) But no way could I say either classic or dud, I'm afraid.

Mark, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

->> Erm, I love Neil Hagerty's guitar wankery, precisely on songs like "Blue is the frequency". He is a remarkable wanker.

RTX will never be classic, but it certainly isn't dud. It's one of these cult footnotes in rockunroll history. Certainly not compulsory listening, but definitely worth investigating if hard drugs, dirty hair and space boogie usually interest you. Although I have "TI", "C&D" and weird live stuff, I confess I seldom listen to them. I mostly play their recent stuff, with "Thank You" remaining their highlight. Along with the now much-scorned "Give out but don't give up" by the Scream Team 94, "Thank You" is one of my alltime fave pastiche records, a proper pop record by a duo of brilliant songwriters who rarely before had released songs as straightforward. I think it's a good thing when a band reknowned for its "difficult listening material" comes out with a set of proper tunes with hooks and a high level of "hummability". The opening cut, "A Night To Remember", is in my mind comparable to such songs as the Stones' "Rocks Off!", the aforementioned Scream's "Jailbird" and "Rocks", Suede's "Metal Mickey" or Bowie's "Watch that Man". You know, songs you play before going out (a category of songs I love, I'll post a thread about that). And that's how I like my RTX: fast rockunroll with a blond cat on a hot tin roof's raspy growl telling me I'm gonna lose.

And if your girlfriend finds your Scruffy Jenny obsession suspicious and/or maddening, then she is not a woman for you, mate.

Mr Herrema, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like them, but still have yet to get everything in my usual compulsive way. That's probably because right now I'm more interested in buying up every last No-Man related release, for instance.

My favorite moment of theirs is from that video of theirs where Jennifer acts sexy and semi-flashes the audience. It made no sense at all, it was the visual equivalent of "Pick 'em and Flick 'em" by the Melvins. *BOUM...BOUMMMMMMM...wheedlewheedlewheedle* Er, anyway.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Best rock band ever. But I've said that in almost every thread on ILM ;) 'Twin Infinitives', 'Royal Trux', 'Cats & Dogs' and 'Accelerator' are bona fide classics. And everyone probably loved Accelerator because 'Liar' has the greatest riff ever. Needless to say a typical love em or hate em band (never sing in sync, Neil plays too many notes, Jennifer is the strangest sex symbol in pop history, erratic live shows). So Supa CLASSIC!

Omar, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they are just slightly worse than a Yo-La Tengo live performance (ie the Garage 1998) so pretty noisy and tuneless.

james edmund L, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

God, that was short Omar ;). I was expecting an essay when I saw this thread. Classic anyway, although I only have "Thank You" which is fantastic. Great, great, guitar sound. Anyone heard Haggerty's solo album?

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha...well if you could collect all the words I've written on Royal Trux on ILM you would get that essay ;) I can't be arsed to climb on a soapbox anymore and start praising a band that obviously is not to everyone's taste. The negative outcome of this c-o-d comes as no surprise since I've only met 3 people in my life who love Royal Trux, 2 who worked at the same record-shop I'm a regular customer of (and not counting the ones who where at the blinding gig they once played in Amsterdam, probably all critics ;)

Omar, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I remember when I just didnt get Royal Trux. They were so way out and Jennifer usually just stood there and smoked and didnt say/sing a word while Neil shot his wad on guitar. It seemed all made up at the moment and straight out of a bong to boot. It was 1993 when I got to see them three nights in a row in Chicago at Lounge Ax for a Drag City festival. They played the same 'list' every night but in TOTALLY different ways. They were deconstructing their own music and songs with little to no effort. The songs remaned the same but the forms were totally different, as if there was a subconscience map they were following. It totally blew my mind. They were HUGE! The totally burned. They were Blue Cheer. It was amazing. I have seen them in the last few years and they seem to have locked into a loud boogie blues rock thing that seems pretty simular from night to night. Maybe the drugs DID keep them open ended and hungry.

Mark, Sunday, 30 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Official RTX lore says they were not on drugs in '93. More recent relatively-straight boogie rock phase was, I reckon, to do with the rhythm section who played on the final few tours and the 'Pound For Pound' LP. But Jen and Neil were still doing crazy shit!

joel, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
Yeah, I have recently seen Neil play with his solo band and he is defiantly back to the open-ended crazy shit. Two drummers, both almost totally unaware of each other.. And a stand up bass that never really cut through the mess (and by mess I mean 'good, crazy, wicked mess). It took effort to see his genius during the live show that is more evident on the LPs. Check out the Drag City Super Sessions LP where Neil takes the helm over his songs, Smog’s' and Edith Frost's. His vision shines bright over all the songs and the LP is arguably HIS recor

Mark, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Total Classic, or Total Dud, sometimes in the same song.
Their last three (real, not Hand of Glory) albums were some of the best rock albs of the 90s. Unless Pound For Pound was 2000, which I think it might have been. Come ON, "Sunshine & Grease", "Dr. Gone" fucking awesome and anyone who doesn't think so should be tied to a pillar of salt in Caribou Country.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Totally agree. The last three albums are a trilogy on the theme of Great Rock Music. Jennifer channeling Bob Dylan on Coming Out Party is a beautiful thing. But destroy beyond recognition Twin Infinitives and "harmelodics". Has anyone heard Weird War, what's that like?

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Weird War is far more Svenonius (sp?) than Hagerty (sp? jeez, I'm dopey today). It's cheap thrills, a touch more exciting than Ian's David Candy alb.
For Neil's post-RT work, I like his two (or three if you count the Sabbath cover) Drag City Supersession songs best. There's some good stuff on both his solo albs, but I think one of the big things with him is who he's playing with brings out different things in him.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

hah, dq to thread!!

geeta, Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

hand of glory is not a real album?

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Well...it's album *length* anyway. But it's only two "songs" that seem to be just a lot of unfinished meanderings spliced together. I think it's stuff recorded over a lot of years in the late 1980s, in other words not made as *an album* but patched together as something for them to sell post-breakup. Maybe its better than I make it out, I only heard someone else's copy of it. But it sounded like more Twin Infinitives crap.

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the SONG stuff.
The OTHER stuff, I can get into sometimes, but when they're doing rock songs, that's my favourite.
Hand of Glory is just OTHER stuff. No songs. Just stuff. Either you're into it or you aren't. Unless you're really not into, then you'll hate it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link

i have thankyou, and might i say that it sucks the shit out of a horses ass.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 24 January 2003 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Horace: the first Royal Trux album (self-titled, not the one with the skulls) is a flawless *synthesis* of "song" and "stuff". Check it out sometime.

harman, Friday, 24 January 2003 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link

classic except for "hand of glory". everything else owns, and as it happens, the ones i liked least when they came out ("sweet 16" and "veterans") are now my favorites.

mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:41 (sixteen years ago) link

'Veterans of Disorder' is one of the greatest albums ever made, like if Primal Scream (or any other UK band) were 'about' music-qua-music

dave q, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't Primal Scream dedicate an alb to the Trux?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I've heard a couple of things from 'veterans..' and 'accelerator...' and as nice as the riffs are, or as wasted as the singing sounds it kind of felt to me that I wouldn't really get into a full record of it. That feeling was enough to put me off until I got round to buying 'twin infinitives' last week after that royal trux vs afghan whigs thread.

I like it lots => pretty! Bunch of skeletal fragments put together to make into an incredibly coherent mess of a record.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've seen a lot of slagging of that album lately. I love Twin Infinitives.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link

SO CLASSIC.

If you arent feeling a certain album of theirs, there will be a point in your life when you will.

I think they are the only band who's catalog I've completly sold off...only to buy it back later.

CATS and DOGS OWNZ.

ddb, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been listening to the self titled recently. It's great!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link

duh. Greatest rock and roll band of all time. No contest.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link

i really don't like royal trux. thankyou is the only one i have. i only listened to it once, and realised that i would never ever enjoy it, no matter how hard i tried. i like the ballad "stevie" which is off accelerator, i think, but i'm still saying dud. i've always meant to pick up a copy of "twin infinitives" though, out of curiosity more than anything.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

If ever there was a group who ran 180-degrees against the prevailing ILM aesthetics (you know, Anglophilia; the people who accuse others of being "rockist" ... ), then RTX were/are it.

Did RTX create much of an impact in Britain? I really have no idea. It seems to me that most of their references and signifiers, not to mention their evocations, would be lost on a British audience. Or if RTX did in fact make an impression in the UK, I have a strong feeling that they were received and understood as far more exotic and inscrutable (or pretentious, if you like) than they actually were.

Anyway, at this stage I'm more convinced than ever that RTX were among the greatest bands in rock & roll history, and are gradually being recognized as such.

kjoerup, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

See the thing is its that rock n'roll-ness of the band that put me off. Twin Infinitives is more artful.

More art, less rock thx!

When 'accelerator' came out I remember a 'wow they are back!'-type reaction from the press at the time, people seemed to be glad.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:55 (fifteen years ago) link

simon reynolds loved royal trux. he wrote about them in the melody maker at least once.

a, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:22 (fifteen years ago) link

accelerator and veterand of disorder totally blew my mind when they came out. it was mad, unpredictable rock and roll at its best. and i still love those records (much more than thank you, btw, which is only ok to me). but accelerator... oh my...

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:41 (fifteen years ago) link

are their reference points really that inscrutable to UK audiences? The Stones seem to loom the largest in RTX's universe.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Royal Trux played the worst show I ever saw. We saw them out at the back of The Garage afterwards and my friend Ben shouted at them for it.

Thank You is terrible, though.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i got twin infinitives tonight because of this thread. cheap & used & FUCKING AWESOME. it's gonna take me weeks to make sense of this album.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:44 (fifteen years ago) link

it's a classic, but Thank You is the masterpiece.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (fifteen years ago) link

NO "ACCELERATOR" IS

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link

NO ACTUALLY IT'S "SINGLES, LIVE, UNRELEASED". That record just beats everything ever in the right mood.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I only have Thank You, but for faux-Stones with the weirdness cranked up a few notches there is none better. (I'll get the rest eventually when I find them at less extortionate prices!) I love that they could freely talk about harmolodics, and star in their own comic book.

Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I've purchased Pound for Pound, Veterans of Disorder, and Thank You within the past couple of weeks and now Royal Trux is the only music I want to listen to. What should I do?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Accelerator, my friend.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Accelerator is one of the best.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.dragcity.com/catalog/records/dc3.gif

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

they are good aren't they nick?!?!

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Is Royal Trux noize?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

if not, i don't know what noize is

(ok, wolf eyes or some shit, but then who cares?)

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, Neil Michael Hagerty & the Howling Hex double album (I haven't heard any of the ltd ed records, pity me!) kicks ass and is the best of his three wide-release (har har) post RTX albs. Though lately, I've been getting into the first one again. "Creature Catcher" is wonderful.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Who's heard the RTX? The other night I dreamed I was their roadie and we drove from festival to festival in a brown Camaro. The music they played in my dream was good.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

It's pretty okay. I haven't spent much time listening to it, but "Stoked" is pretty cool.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Sweet Sixteen is their best record, and one of the top ten rock records of the 1990s. But all of their stuff is great.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

You're just saying that because Sweet 16 is their hardest record to find and it's the one that got them bought out of their record deal with Virgin.
(I haven't heard it--since it's so damn hard to find--so I'm probably just being sour grapesy)

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

No, Diamond's right - it's their best, and one of THE best.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

oh crap.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey, d'ja all see: http://hhex.blogspot.com/

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it really that hard to find though? I mean, it was on a major label and sold jack, you'd think there'd be cut-outs galore (like those stories of people buying Thank You on a AMazon for a penny.) No, I just think it's their most intense, focused record; the songwriting and playing is amazing. It take a couple listens to pick up just how sculpted and crafted the whole thing is. The songs take these little twists that you didn't notice the first listen through. They have little bits of melodic fragments that stick in your head for days. It really sort of does fit in with the mythology that that it was their "70s tribute record"; it's like their re-write of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway or something. Read Justin Farrar's posts about it on the RTX thread; those were great. No man, it's got nothing to do with obscurity; I used to think Cats & Dogs was the best, but after listening obsessively to Sweet Sixteen over a period of a couple months earlier this year, I'm convinced it's their best...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess i've never really looked that hard for it.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

x-post; yeah, Morris -- I wasn't aware of those blogs until you linked to them yesterday... Thanks for that! Still haven't had a chance to read through the serial one yet.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I was all like wtf, until I saw the byline on this:

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
After four (mostly unexceptional) releases on Chicago's hipper-than-thou indie Drag City, Haggerty and Herrema moved on up to Virgin in 1995, becoming label mates with what's left of their heroes, the Rolling Stones. Some might have considered the David Briggs-produced Thank You a sell-out, but it was as weird, sloppy, and attitudinal as ever. Only this time, there were bona fide pop songs that stuck in your craw, indicating for the first time that the Truckers might be more than just another Lower East Side art-rock rip-off. Sweet Sixteen is even better. To the extent that I care or can be bothered to decipher 'em, the lyrics tackle the same old concerns: sex, drugs, and rock & roll in-jokes. It's the musical settings that matter. Haggerty and lovingly reconstruct every '70s sound they ever smoked a bong or nodded off to: Sly Stone-style funk ("The Pick-Up"), Allman Brothers twin guitars meet prog-rock synths ("Don't Try to Hard"), stoner country-blues-jugband shuffling ("Roswell Seeds & Stems"), and even ultra-ironic Abbey Road-era Beatlemana ("Can't Have It Both Ways"). Of course, Redd Kross and Jellyfish/Imperial Drag (to name but two) have been building winning pop from this junkyard wreckage for quite some time now. But while the members of Royal Trux are coming to the party late, they're arriving with their arms full of treats.Jim Derogatis

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link

They've had Sweet 16 in the bin over at Reckless every time I've been there in the past few weeks, but I hadn't picked it up because I had read mixed things about it. They also had the Singles collection a week or so ago and I didn't get it, which I'll probably regret eventually. Accelerator is the one that sounds best, but I've just been picking up what's easily available first. I'm curious about the RTX album because Herrema's voice is a large part of the appeal for me.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

n/a, the Singles has "Faca Amolada" on it, one of the most melodic songs they ever did. Nice stuff.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I really really like the song "Stop!".

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Sweet 16 is really dense and queasy, their most difficult lp outside Twin Infinitives.
If you like Accelerator, Transmaniacon is similar.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I'm eventually going to have to get them all. Right now I'm theoretically on a budget of only buying one cd a week, but I already cheated on that rule this past weekend.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm gonna play "stop" on the radio tomorrow. Or my "The Exception" yeah, I think I'll play "The Exception" and then something from Transmaniacon.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i wanna hear that RTX thing too, one of these days.

i like "sweet 16" but i don't really know which one i like best. i used to listen to that singles comp (well, maybe 1/3 of it) all the time, but i don't think that one qualifies.

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

SIngles comp qualifies! All their best stuff was reserved for singles and most of them didn't end up on lps.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

No love for Hand of Glory or whatever? I think I may have even given that one away. I've got a live bootleg with a wicked cover of "Suspicious Minds"

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

There are like 10 used copies of Hand of Glory at Reckless, and I'm sure there are a few more propping up tables in the back.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha I love 'Hand of Glory'

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

SHOCKWAVE RIDER!!

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

As featured on ONCE AGAIN "Singles, Live, Unreleased", were it a triple Lp ALBUM it'd be the best ALBUM ever made easily. As it is it's merely the best box thing ever, close enough. I wish everyone in the world would buy it.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Also all those NHagerty weird things, 'Hand of Glory' and the HHex records, they're just like long Dylan songs w/more funny noises and slightly less obv choruses, don't be shy (side two of HoG aside I guess)

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Andrew -- by 'box vs. ALBUM', I am assuming you mean that S/L/U is but a mere compilation? (cuz obviously there are 3lp thingies that are considered part of the canon, like Sandinista and Yessongs and so forth)

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah exactly, I mean if they'd gone into the studio for a few months and made SLU, well, shit. Better than those noble 3Lps even. For some reason that always seems a really lovely idea.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I got Sweet Sixteen this weekend. I like it, it's kind of murkier and more fucked up than the other ones I have, what with the weird keyboard noise and nonsequiter vocal samples and shit like that.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

the new one, TRANSMANIACON, is reasonable good.

russignonald's, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I checked, and I still have Hand of Glory. I may listen to it again tonight.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
In which country did Royal Trux allegedly start a riot with the announcement of their breakup in 2000?

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Do tell, Adam.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

no, I need you to answer this question so that i can win RTX tickets on Flavorpill!

It's a hard one.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Google is not giving up the secrets.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

bmp

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

The "press release" on Drag City's site back in the day (which was removed days later) said that the band announced their break-up during a Japanese press conference, and things went nuts.

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe they made the story up as part of the Yin Jim, W. Lester Duo, and the Bones of a Dead Coyote saga or something.

What is Royal Trux?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks, doctor funk. And now we wait.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Stories from the Yin Jim file, I'm telling you.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

New Howling Hex album out Feb 21 on Drag City. It's currently listed as coming out only on CD; that can't possibly be right, can it?

Song titles and a word or two on the tracks from the Howling Hex site:

"Now, We're Gonna Sing": Start out with a straightforward introduction to the people...

"Instilled With Mem'ry": Try to forget that name and date...

"Pair Back Up Mass With": Self delusion before action...

"Activity Risks": Committee in the brain disagree...

"To His Own Front Door": In and pulled out by the outside...

"What, Man? Who Are You?!": The final confrontation of mistaken identity...

"Cast Aside The False": Ghost of JonBenet Ramsey surveys the battlefield...

"Soft Enfolding Spreads": A final objection and farewell...

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Vic - feasibly, it COULD be CD only, since the Introducing...trilogy is complete. As in, back to the non-limited. Then again, Drag City usually issue most of their stuff on LP, too. Weird.

This is my most anticipated release of the year.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd like to catch up on what Neil is doing. I liked the first solo album, but thought the second one (that Plays That Good Ol' Rock and Roll one or whatever it was called) was kind of crap.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:46 (fourteen years ago) link

the third proper solo album was by far the best.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link

roger, the new howling hex NAILS it. it's great. very concise, the opposite of the sprawl of the previous four records or so. for me, the best neil's done since the first solo disc.

jon dale, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 11:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Vic - feasibly, it COULD be CD only, since the Introducing...trilogy is complete. As in, back to the non-limited. Then again, Drag City usually issue most of their stuff on LP, too. Weird.

DC has it listed as LP/CD in there news section, so I guess we'll have to wait a few more weeks to find out. But most DC stuff comes out on vinyl, as you said, and it would just strike me as odd that someone would put out three vinyl only albums, then make the next proper record CD only. I mean, DC has concrete proof people will buy Howling Hex vinyl.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link

And NMH seems to like the format enough

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyone hear anything about a new NMH book?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Never mind, I just checked the DrCi website.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

There's info on the HH site as well: http://www.howlinghex.com/

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha! I won those tickets! Thanks dr funk.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Roger is OTMFM

I'm listening to Veterans of Disorder at this moment and I'm fucking sad that I only saw 'em live one time ('97, the Bug Jar in Rochester, NY).

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

SICK ASS DOG

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link

STRAWBERRY SODAPOP

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I CALLED THE DOC AND HE'S IN SHOCK, THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FEDS

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

WITCH'S TIT

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link

did playing "sick ass dog" on the jukebox last night ruin it?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

CHANCES ARE THE COMETS IN OUR FUTURE

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I LIKE TO GO TO THE WATER PARK!

(I heard that song used once over a sports highlight reel)

Huk-L, Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link

SHOCKWAVE RIDDDEEERRRRRR

Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Sweet Sixteen is a pretty goddamn awesome record.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 4 April 2005 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

HOW CAN YOU BUST UP AN ACT LIKE THAT?

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

A SAILOR HAS TO MASTURBATE UNTIL THE SHEEEIP LAAANDS

best rock band ever

Aaron A., Monday, 4 April 2005 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Virginia's Royal Trux mix bad Company biker blues, Southern rock, synthesized AM drivel and arty college experimentation like an underage bar goer mixes drinks: slamming 'em down till they come back up as regurgitated sonic swill. Combine that with a trailer-trash-chic image – skintight bell-bottoms, cowboy boots and whiskey-warped expressions – and you have an underclass shtick that has made the Trux underground faves.

On their sixth underproduced album and second major-label release (yet another indie band signed in Nirvana's wake), singer Jennifer Herrema works hard at sounding trashy, slurring lyrics in a raspy tone a la Nazareth. She hisses ultranasty lines like "Sweet 16 and never been clean" alongside guitarist and vocalist Neil Hagerty's own thin warble. Indulgent wah-wah guitar solos bump into disjointed drum beats.

Every song on Sweet Sixteen eventually lapses into a meandering mess, even on tunes where the Trux attempt to mimic Zeppelin's repetitive rhythms or the Allman Brothers' jams. Instead of respecting the music they bastardize, the Trux treat it as low art, approaching '70s rock like a cocky adult playing a kids' game. By mid-album, you begin to wish Lynyrd Skynyrd had crashed this recording session and kicked the Trux's pretentious asses into some sort of cohesive groove. (RS 757)

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 4 April 2005 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think I entirely disagree with that review. I think the quality of their songs started to drop off on that record.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

That's where they started getting even better!

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Royal Trux were a great band. Every record they put out for a long time was interesting. That covered a span of five albums and a lot of singles. When Sweet Sixteen came out, it seemed to me like all of a sudden this was a band who were just treading water with no real discernible inspiration.

And it's not like it got better after that either.

How in the world is that record better than Thank You or Cats and Dogs? The songs aren't as good and it's more of a fucking mess. I like messes, but they'd already made messes with GREAT records like Twin Infinitives. Their trajectory at the time was that they were getting tighter -- from the third album to Cats and Dogs to Thank You. Then, all of a sudden they stopped. Why? I really don't understand what the point of that album was (and the psuedo-cryptic stuff about "it's our seventies album in our sixties/seventies/eighties album trilogy" seemed like a bunch of gibberish).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
you are wrong

gear (gear), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:16 (fourteen years ago) link

"Accelerator"'s pretty tight

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link

gear otm. Tim is so very wrong. Thank You is definitely one of my all time favorite albums, maybe in the top 3, but Sweet Sixteen is an absolute masterpiece. I can't think of a 'challenging' record that yields a greater reward after you do 'get' it.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I like all of their albums that I have heard (which is all of them except the two self-titled ones and Hand of Glory).

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I still haven't heard Sweet Sixteen!
But I've been reacquainting myself with Cats & Dogs (which I used to have ON CASSETTE!), and my new all-time favourite Royal Trux song is "The Spectre".

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

awww man, n/a, the second s/t record is one of their best!!

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll get to it eventually, it just seems to be harder to find. I'm not avoiding it or anything, I just tend to pick them up as I find them used or around town.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I will happily accept any Royal Trux music that anyone wants to send me.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm psyched for the Howling Hex DVD in November. Should be awesome

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

This website looks pretty good for Royal Trux info. If you click on Aesthetics they've got a lot of the Herrema fashion photo spreads.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link

MORPHIC RESIDEEENT

gear (gear), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

what a good band! i'm gonna listen to cats & dogs now! i think veterans of disorder is underrated! i think thank you might be the best! i love twin infinitives!

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Pound For Pound is the overlooked trux record!

gear (gear), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

So mega, massively classic.

I spent a good three years under the heavy sway of the trux. Twin Infinitives, s/t, Cats and Dogs and Thank You pulled me out of the grunge tarpit and made me ditch most of my AmRep records. That bluesy, classik rok swagger, that mystical druggy miasma, those voices. So fucking cool. I interviewed Hagerty around the time Thank You came out. It was great. He talked about the house they just bought in Virginia. How he hung bells on all the bushes on the property.

I have to admit, my exposure to their later albums is minimal. I'm going to have to rectify that.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Hagerty is indeed a really sweet guy in person

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link

The second s/t is the skulls, right? Domino had it in print on vinyl/Cd (I guess, seems likely) last time I checked. I ordered a copy. I have it. Ok I just checked for you, it's there, both formats. Off you go.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

It really is great btw

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I tried to listen to Twin Infinitives last night but my girlfriend got annoyed at it/me.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link

(Which I guess was kind of the (passive-aggressive) point.)

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Listen to it a few days solid

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

CLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSIC
CLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSIC
CLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSICCLASSIC

I first saw them in 92 or 3 opening for mudhoney and was all - what exactly is going on here? Needless to say, I've been a devotee ever since.

My point: pound for pound = best album. Where's the love, people?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, could someone please post the third album (w/skulls) to oink or ysi or something. My cd refuses to be ripped, for some unknown reason.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost You really like Pound for Pound best? I like that one, but I've never connected with it the way I did with, say, Thank You, or Accelerator...

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost You really like Pound for Pound best? I lkike taht one, but I've never connected with it the way I did with, say, Thank You, or Accelerator...

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Um, now that I think of it - the three NMH limited edition LPs too. That would be splendid. Sorry. Thanks.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

dogs of love ep! dogs of love ep!

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Dear Roger Fidelity,

Yes. It's cosmic. Check it out. Check out it's cosmicness. Particularly deep country sorcerer. That song, in me, inspires awe and fear. Also this album has Dan Brown, which is a major plus. He is a ++ bassist and catcher. Small thief and sunshine and grease are so open and tender, platinum tips is titillating, call out the loins is triumphant; the whole album sounds like it was recorded really loud. It sounds good.

Because my geekiness has been peaked, I will now list their releases in order of greatness - eps, singles and (because I haven't heard them) the 3 NMH limited edition lps are excluded. Solo and collaborative works are included:

Pound for Pound
Royal Trux (3rd Album)
Cats & Dogs
Veterans of Disorder
Thank You
Neil Michael Hagerty - The Howling Hex
Sweet Sixteen
Accelerator
Neil Michael Hagerty - Plays That Good Old Rock n Roll
Singles, Live Unreleased (great songs, but the sequencing, ugh)
Royal Trux (1st Album)
Twin Infinitives
A Drag City Supersession - Tramps Traitors and Little Devils
Neil Michael Hagerty - Neil Michael Hagerty
The Howling Hex - All-Night Fox
Weird War - Weird War
RTX - Transmaniacon
The Drag City Hour
Hand of Glory

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

you forgot "3 Song EP" !!!

The King's English (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link

oh, you excluded eps. mistake either way with th trux.

The King's English (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Um, now that I think of it - the three NMH limited edition LPs too. That would be splendid. Sorry. Thanks.
Okay, here's the first one:
http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3F9AE9Q71Z90Z2SSX0CXMYT7PH
I'll get them up on soulseek, where I'm known as MkDXN.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Mike Dixn you are my absolute hero.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Wheeee!
Here's the second one:
http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1E5PUEUJITW7E339XON5I9FTEW

By the way, the label on the Introducing... record states that it is okay to digitally copy and distribute the album. I assume that the same permission is granted for the whole series.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Downloading section 2 from soulseek - can I offer you anything? a foot massage, an oink invite perhaps?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

upload something perhaps?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I love all Royal Trux albums equally. THey are like my precious children. Except Hand of God, which I never really got into.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link

IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAILMAN!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Law man--I'm afraid you just walked in here at the wrong time
my old man's gun has never been fired
but there's a first time and this could be
this could be the first time

Law man
you know you look to be a lot younger than me and
I'd hate to shoot a baby
you've got a long way to go before you're old and slow
and it could be
it could be a good time if you change your mind
well I'm tired and sweet from making love
and it's just too late
you'll have to wait
bring your business around here in the morning

well I've heard your line
and you've heard mine
and I'm just too tired to take a side
bring your business around here in the morning
Don't you want to be easy look there
let some of the things you see go on by or
you can burn them into your brain go on home
Don't you see the children, they're just like you
they want everything to be fine but they let it slide
and the laughing lets you know that smiling breaks the rules

Law breaker you know it could be me
and if you had your way we'd all be down
under the face of a clock that's just too old to be wound
and you can see now the old hands won't move around
one way or the other,
fool card brother this could be,
this could be, the first time.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link

This song is unimpeachable - both versions.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link

hey thanks for the ysis, mike.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Mike thank you for the wonderfulness.

Does anyone have the 3rd one?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Accelerator: A film inspired and soundtracked by Royal Trux's album "Accelerator"
Plot synopsis

1. "I'm Ready" - opening credits. As soon as the song abruptly explodes into existence, our hero is shown sitting straight up in bed in shock, facing the camera. As the song and credits continue, a sped-up montage shows him brushing his teeth, getting dressed, eating breakfast, walking out the front door, looking for a few seconds at an abused, dented dune buggy that sits in the family garage (foreshadowing), and riding his bike to school.
2. "Yellow Kid" - Hero sits mournfully in bathroom stall, having just been confronted by school bullies for being the "weird new kid" in front of an attractive young girl. He slams the bathroom wall with his fist in desperation. He IS the eponymous "Yellow Kid."
3. "The Banana Question" - Having gotten news that dune buggy racing is the hot teen activity in his new town, our hero decides to fix up his brother's old dune buggy, despite the fact that his brother was killed in a freak dune buggy accident. Another montage sequence ensues as he tightens bolts, polishes roll bars, gets squirted with oil, etc. Good wholesome teenage fun.
4. "Another Year" - Plays behind slo-mo footage of the race, the camera whips around often so the footage is blurred and chaotic. Sand flies as the buggies leap over the dunes, hanging suspended in the air. Our hero thinks he has a grasp on first place, but in an accident eerily close to the one that killed his brother, he spins out and collides with a palm tree.
5. "Juicy Juice" - Our hero, his arm now in a cast, has given up on dune buggy racing, has resigned himself to being unpopular for the rest of high school, and has taken a job working at an ice cream store in a mall. But who should walk in but the attractive girl from his school! As the camera slowly pans over her nubile young body, this song plays.
6. "Liar" - Our hero is confronted by his parents, who are angry that he has been racing and are afraid that he will be killed like his brother. But our hero is starting to regain his confidence and needs a way to impress the girl, so he rebels and says he will race in the state championship that weekend, and there's nothing they can do about it. Doors are slammed, tears are shed.
7. "New Bones" - Our hero and the girl have quickly fallen in love, he has confessed his fears of ever racing his dune buggy again, but she convinces him that he needs to race, and win, to honor his brother's memory. They kiss shyly, then passionately. Then they get really high on mushrooms and screw. This controversial scene earns "Accelerator" an NC-17 rating.
8. "Follow the Winner" - The climactic race. Spurred on by new love and his fresh lack of virginity, our hero has grown into a virile, manly specimen who intimidates the other racers with his masculine charm, making this an easy win for him. The lesson learned: Dune buggy racing is a sport of confidence and mind games, not to be trifled with by the weak.
9. "Stevie" - Following the award ceremony, the girl and the hero jump into the dune buggy and ride off into the sunset. Closing credits.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm liking what I hear. Just a little suggestion. Maybe emphasize this part:

They kiss shyly, then passionately. Then they get really high on mushrooms and screw.

Then add maybe: an apocalyptic meteor shower, return to cave-living, mutant politicians and a talking cat. Um, scuba diving, pirates, helpful dolphins, skate boarding with a sail attached to it across the desert, jesus freaks and Vermont.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I love the Royal Trux. OK, so when you buy one of their records you never can tell whether it will be any good or not, but the good ones are soooooo good, despite sounding like they were recorded in a spare ten minutes they had between fixes. They were also great when I saw them live.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Does anyone have the 3rd one?

The Return of the Third Tower:
http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19LHLBAHGED2U08QV8UKI6AM55

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey will you look at that - didn't see it on your soulseek - thanks so much Mr. Dixn.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 26 August 2005 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link

"Pound for Pound" was playing when I walked into a record shop this afternooon and it was one of those "this is the best record in the world" sort of moments.

Ranking Rupert (Ranking Rupert), Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Royal Trux roolz.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link

this pussy galore record i'm listening to, historia de la musica rock, definitely has a proto-trux vibe. more hagerty, less spencer pls thx.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah that one's my favorite. "Don't Jones Me" is up there with Trux's all time best. Too bad it's not a Neil solo record though

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Spencer is pretty good on that!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

fuck a jon spencer! where is my copy of EXTRA WIDTH?

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Gotta be his best moment? I was really into Historia and disappointed when the first Blues Explosion record came out (though, of course, Trux were great for a long time) and did not follow Spencer after that.

To me, Historia de la Musica Rock is like a Godz 2 kind of awesomeness!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

i got into an argument once with a free jazz snob who derided ALL "modern rock music", except for JSBX.

gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

That sounds horrible.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link

the bro couldn't even argue about music. he was smart enough to namecheck some obscurities but he was one of the guys who couldn't formulate an argument for or against anything. he was just letting his taste do the talking for him, but couldn't even explain why this made him a better person than everyone else and not just some dull forty-something asshole with a beard and a couple of Peter Brotzmann CDs.

gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link

"free jazz snob" = junkie?

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link

The beginning of this thread is amazing, by the way. We've got a very unenthusiastic original post, then replies of dud, probably dud, so very in between, never be classic but certainly isn't dud, I like them, best rock band ever, worse than Yo La Tengo/noisy and tuneless, classic, and then the thread died.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

in other words....ehh, very wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, right, extremely right, nonsense/moronic, OTM, time for revival

gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link

it's weird, because almost everyone i know (either in real life or on this board) LOVES teh trux. the haters must obviously be in a totally different social sphere.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I spend a great deal of time IRL trying to convince people of the Trux's greatness, and some of my attempts are successful.

gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Stupid people don't like them, ugly people too

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:58 (thirteen years ago) link

"Accelerator" remains tight as tight in a way I'd expect a fellow Beatles obsessive to mofucking get, frankly

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

You're referring to me, I guess. I only heard it once and was just not so into the Trux direction at the time. They had already done Thank You - do you really think it's tight on that level?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

WAY WAY WAY tighter. A thousand times superior. I don't get the Thank You love so much tho, it's OK, a vvv good Lp, but Accelerator's the one. It's like UM Revolver, Thank You's like Rubber Soul.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

accelerator = \m/

latebloomer: snakes, snails, and puppydog tails (latebloomer), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I just realised, "Accelerator" and "Revolver" are maybe my two fav recs ever. MEANWHILE I believe some types try to say rtx aren't rock. We sit asstumed.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't know - I only heard it once. I remember that stupid "Banana Question" thing and remember thinking WTF - Trux on autopilot reverting to doing "Strawberry Soda" after all this time. Royal Trux were an INSPIRED GROUP, man. For a while, anyway. In the beginning, it wasn't just some "keepin' on keepin' on" with your indie rock career on Drag City Records trip.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link

That's the secondbest song on it! LISTEN, BROTHER, etc. Really.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Three dollar bin or less and I'm there, man. Just for you.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

oh that's brit prices though. hmm

gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got most of the Royal Trux albums (though I don't know where the self-titled one disappeared to), and while I haven't listened to them lately, it's definitely a special body of work. At some point (perhaps near future cuz of this thread) I'll immerse myself in all of them again. Hard to say they're classic. Alongside JSBX, Shellac, Grifters, Red Red Meat, Mule, Big Chief, Afghan Whigs, Jesus Lizard, Polvo, etc., their live shows are part of my fond memories of shows being a big EVENT amongst friends in our early 20s. Every couple years I listen to their albums when I get in a phase. Classic to me and some people here, but not in the sense of a larger cultural zeitgeist.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link

That list is like evidence of why they're so good, actually. If you can't hear what takes them far and high above those jobsworth workaday civilians, sure. Oh Tim "Accelerator" is by no means as tight bandwise as "Thank You", its tightness is conceptual, it comes out in the arrangements and so on. The finished version. It's a postproduction record, lent my fingers to Beatles suggestions.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Can you describe what you think is great about the arrangements and post-production?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link

My sister asked me to make her a "workout" mix CD on the weekend.
Tracklisting:
1. Waterpark
2. The Exception
3. I'm Ready
4. Juicy Juicy Juice
5. The Banana Question
6. Another Year
7. Platinum Tips
8. Sunshine & Grease
9. Fire Hill
10. The United States Vs. One 1974 Cadillac el Dorado Sedan
11. Joint Chief
12. Low Ass Mountain Song
13. Stoked
14. Heavy Gator
15. What Man, Who Are You?
16. Pair Back Up Mass With
17. Chicago Charlemagne
18. Ray-O-Vac
19. Dr. Gone
20. Stop

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll say it again: this was a band where every move they made was interesting for a long time. Then, they just seemed to go flat. Sweet Sixteen was not an improvement on Thank You. The songs were less well-written and the thing was just sloppy all around. I don't know what the fuck Accelerator was supposed to be. Then, with Veterans of Disorder (what a fucking stupid title!) and Pound for Pound it was like Thank You again, but not as good. Big fucking deal!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
wrong

gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link

When is the new Howling Hex out?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Sometime in November.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh hey it's this thread - here's another work out mix for your sister.

A Night To Remember
Morphic Resident
Platinum Tips
Firebase Ripcord
Small Theif
Second Skin
Law Man
Liar
Chicago Charlemagne
Shockwave Rider
Ray O Vac
Deep Country Sorcerer
Texas Dogleg
(Have You Met) Horror James
Some People Are Crazy
Back to School
Signed, Confused
The Flag
Map Of The City
Yo Se

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

"I don't know what the fuck Accelerator was supposed to be."

the most kick ass rock record ever. the 80s entry in the production trilogy. i have no idea how someone could not love this record. don't be a liar

resuscitated hanged man, Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Holy Shit. I can't believe it took me until this week, and buying "Pound for Pound" in the used bin for $5, to realize I had slept on such an amazing band for so long. Moremoremore.

Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

That remark makes me realize why people say Tim is crazy!

Lion-O (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

"the 80s entry in the production trilogy" - roffl.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link

crazy!

gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

WE'RE NOT CRAZY!

http://www.toliveandshaveinla.com/flemmas/vonbg.jpg

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyway ... guys ... I'm not saying those records are bad. Even Sweet Sixteen! (Actually, I think that second NMH solo album is something that you might call a genuinely bad album, even if there are a couple of good songs.) But the later Royal Trux records did just strike me as being more of the same and I lost interest in them.

And I didn't expect that from them and wondered why it happened. Every time they put out a record for a long time, it was something new.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Seriously, they were my favorite band! There was a visionary quality to them for a while.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link

what's wrong with the title of veterans of disorder?!

gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I suppose if they had been DOING SOMETHING and not just treading water, it wouldn't have seemed as pathetic. I mean, what, I'm supposed to give them their propers because they're VETERANS???

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, what, I'm supposed to give them their propers because they're VETERANS???

yes, just like the beatles.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

dunno what that's supposed to mean

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

just a bit of fun, let's be cool.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link

ok

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link

preferred order:

Veterans of Disorder
Sweet Sixteen
Twin Infinitives
Singles Live Unreleased
Thank You
Accelerator
Pound For Pound
Cats and Dogs
Royal Trux (1992)
Hand of Glory
Royal Trux (1988)

and I really like RTX 1988!

gear (gear), Saturday, 15 October 2005 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Neil Michael Hagerty Band live from May 30th, 2001:
http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=01KJ7NBVYPPXC08U0W05K9HFCH

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

hey Tim do you like RTX/Hagerty solo?

gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I kinda liked the first album, but thought the second one (that NMH Plays That Good Ol' Rock 'n' Roll (!!!) one) was not so good. I haven't followed him since. I have some curiousity about what he's been doing.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I like that 1st song on the 1st solo album - the one that has that silly "Rock the Boat" allusion.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

The third album is astoundingly good, especially the first half.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Did they ever really work with post-Kenickie scamps Chicks, or was that just a vicious rumour?

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link

You'd probably dig All Night Fox.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Did they ever really work with post-Kenickie scamps Chicks, or was that just a vicious rumour?
Neil and Jennifer supposedly produced a "major label pop record", but I've never been able to figure out what record, or if it's even true.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

it's true

http://www.rtxarchive.com/archive/articles/wire199.html

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link

"We had this Grateful Dead CD case," he says, "and it has the Steal Your Face skull flash logo on it. One of The Chick's said, "What is that, Pepsi?'. We said, 'No it's The Grateful Dead!' She's like, 'Who?'."

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link

damn good article

gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Mike Dixn - Thanks!!

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"They wanted to be part of what we did," adds Jennifer. "They wanted their input but there was nothing to talk about with them. I got on the phone with Virgin's vice-president for the last time and it was all about the demographic. We're talking 17 and under, that's all they cared about. Personally I wouldn't talk to anybody under the age of 17, much less make music for them."

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link

That quote is kind of annoying. What, you gotta be at least eighteen to appreciate the fact that although they didn't come up with a set of songs that were as good as the songs they did on the three albums prior to Sweet Sixteen, they at least made some kind of stoner friendly mess/head music album?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link

"Pound for pound, the trailer park noise symphonies of Royal Trux out-weird everything this side of Ornette Coleman and The Grateful Dead."- Gawd.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link

you're like 35, right?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link

What's it to you?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

nothin', just asking.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link

37

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link

ah ok.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Hagerty's description of Sweet Sixteen in that Wire article is interesting: "Take every bad idea that rock's ever produced, put it all into songs and then use a contemporary rock producer from 1996 to mix it in a complete middle-of-the-road rock way"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 22 October 2005 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Not to say that it's an interesting concept for a record because I don't think that record is very good. But interesting with regard to the question of the degree to which his music is satire.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 22 October 2005 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
hey, i found this site by search engine.

can anyone send me those Drag City Supersessions tracks? i've been looking for those for ages!

jointchief, Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link

$2.25

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link

they're not so hot. cally's red sovine cover is worth a listen though.

god body, Monday, 14 November 2005 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't like them

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 14 November 2005 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I like the Hag songs.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Can you describe what you think is great about the arrangements and post-production?

---I don't think it, you work it out

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

You'll thank me one day, maybe, it'd be sweet if you dug it

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

detoxes are evil

sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone have an idea where I could get the "What is Royal Trux?" video, other than Ebay?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I guess not. :(

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

You could come over to my house, get lit and watch half of it before getting bored or something.
"Wow, they really are fucked up on drugs" is a big part of it.

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

BUT I WANT IT

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I haven't watched it yet, but the best thing about the new Howling Hex DVD is that it's only half-an-hour long.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link

You get to see them drive in a van to Dan Koretzky's house where they all proceed to sit on a couch .. it's great!

What's great is the short tape they released to promote Thank You. It's them hanging out at the house in Virginia making coffee!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I kind of want to see that too, because I think they were very near where my gf's dad lives out in central VA.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

There was an article in the Reader a while ago about Drag City's book publishing exploits that mentioned a DVD release of What Is ROyal Trux and Live at Gettysburg coming next year.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Thank you for some actually useful information. I shall peruse the Drag City site now.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link

There was talk about Herrema putting together a DVD of that and other stuff, but I wouldn't bet your skull ring on it happening soon or ever.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link

The Thank You EPK is great! lotsa laffs.

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I want another RTX album. I know it's only been like a year, but I'm greedy.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link

"Please hold your applause until I'm in the taxi going back to the hotel."

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link

The best was when the phone rings and Hagerty sprays it for germs

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link

"i got into an argument once with a free jazz snob who derided ALL "modern rock music", except for JSBX."

that doesn't sound healthy.
unless he thinks JSBX are so unabashedly atrocious and soul-less (which they are) that you've "got to love them" for wearing their inanity on their sleeve instead of hiding behind "art".

jointchief, Sunday, 20 November 2005 07:25 (thirteen years ago) link

damn, i really wanna see those Trux videos now.

isn't there a part where they get chased by government dudes in Nixon masks?

jointchief, Sunday, 20 November 2005 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, that's the gist of it.

They're my favorite band, and I saw it once about five years ago, and have never had the desire to see it again.

it makes hagerty's tv show pilot look like What's Happenin' in comparison.

roj, Sunday, 20 November 2005 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Is this where we talk about You Can't Beat Tomorrow, or is there a Howling Hex thread?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

You Can't Beat Tomorrow discussion is happening here

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 21 November 2005 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Accelerator: A film inspired and soundtracked by Royal Trux's album "Accelerator".......

-- n/a (nu...), August 25th, 2005 8:35 AM. (Nick A.)

Just have to comment that this is one of the greatest things ever written!

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got Pound For Pound (along with 1-2-3 and a bunch of rap) on my Mp3 player and everytime a P4P song comes on I turn that motherfucker up. It's such an awesome springtime Friday album. "Sunshine & Grease" might be the greatest thing ever, except for maybe "Small Thief", "Dr. Gone", and "Platinum Tips". I JUST WANT TO JUMP UP ON MY DESK AND BOOGIE.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link

classic beyond words.

Will (will), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link

"veterans of disorder" is one og the best albums ever.
very underrrated.

come to seee mom, Friday, 28 April 2006 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Trux doing station IDs. !

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 04:09 (eleven years ago) link

ohmigod

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

LOLOLOLOL

n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:43 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't realize crispin glover was in RTX

n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:46 (eleven years ago) link

lolll

sleep, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

this is pretty lolwtf too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HM_0xuB-Ps&feature=related

n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:52 (eleven years ago) link

plz excuse the name dropping here but this is really rather remarkable to me

i went over to my old friend andys who i never see cause hes always on tour w/some band or another the other nite after tripping balls at the boredoms and he showed me that last howling hex album cover was a photo of one of his tattoos and he wrote one of the songs

its far out as we were both totly obsessed w/royal trux in high school

anyway i made him sign one for me

http://i27.tinypic.com/14ty36h.jpg

jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

rtxarchive.com is no longer :/

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

That's sweet, jho! <3

Those station IDs -- most layabout band ever?! They're draped on that furniture like melted cheese.

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

the eye <3 joe is a reference to my high school band eye love fun - california speedway was his band

http://i31.tinypic.com/f4phcn.jpg

jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

i was in a band called debaser!

mizzell, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:29 (eleven years ago) link

so this is "magic andy" right? doesn't he have funny stories about hanging out with sting's son? did you also know sting's son?

mizzell, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

yes and yes

jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

i was unaware that "magic andy" was a real thing tho lol

jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:41 (eleven years ago) link

most layabout band ever?! They're draped on that furniture like melted cheese.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2qa60e9.jpg

neil haggerty lying ona floor

jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

wow

winston, Thursday, 3 April 2008 01:52 (eleven years ago) link

that live clip is pretty sweet

winston, Thursday, 3 April 2008 01:53 (eleven years ago) link

way better than the studio version but maybe because of all the cyberflegm

winston, Thursday, 3 April 2008 01:53 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

In school I thought these guys were like supernatural heroes and their music magical filth. I don't think my perception has changed a whole lot. Can't stop listening to Veteran's of Destruction today, but Pound For Pound is the one I got first so the one that still makes me giddy.

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:35 (ten years ago) link

Disorder

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:36 (ten years ago) link

Sickazz Dog is Kickazz tho!!

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:38 (ten years ago) link

I just got the new TK Webb album and playing it made me want to pull out some Trux. I just listened to Pound for Pound. I pulled out Thank You as well.

QuantumNoise, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:39 (ten years ago) link

SMALL THIEF THEN!

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:40 (ten years ago) link

Veterans might be my favourite record by them, though lately i'm listening to "singles live unreleased" and it's awesome.
don't like pound so much i must say

Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:40 (ten years ago) link

I never really like Veterans before but it's really kicking my ass today

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:43 (ten years ago) link

it's their most accessible after Thank You, but it works fine.

Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:46 (ten years ago) link

Still, I don't remember Sickazz Dog being so weird! Who else actually sounds like this?

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:55 (ten years ago) link

Holy Shit! What is this?

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:58 (ten years ago) link

how is the Radio Video EP btw?

Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:00 (ten years ago) link

i don;t know but i want it xpost

Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:01 (ten years ago) link

its a comic book, I've thumbed through it. It has a lot of um, rambling word balloons about art theory from what I recall, pretty boring actually.

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:04 (ten years ago) link

That sounds so great!

tbh I'm nowhere near complete on this band. Largely due to me falling in love with them as a fifteen year old far far far from good record shops. It took about two months for my local to order accelerator for me, and I've never heard a note of Sweet Sixteen (why I was on amazon just there)

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:04 (ten years ago) link

In my head Sweet Sixteen sounds so amazing by the way!

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:06 (ten years ago) link

If I could record that album, oh man!

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:06 (ten years ago) link

"This giant 64 page comic features the crazed adventures of Royal Trux. "Like night janitors in the Temple of the Most High, they carouse through the psychic refuse of an unsuspecting nation. Whether playing rock and roll or fighting for justice in the realm of the unseen, they are known by one name: Royal Trux."

Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:12 (ten years ago) link

awesome!

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:13 (ten years ago) link

i think ive got that comic kicking around somewhere

ice crӕm, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:14 (ten years ago) link

scan please?

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:14 (ten years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71M5HNFTNQL._SL500_AA240_.gif

what about that sf book by hagerty?

Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:15 (ten years ago) link

Also Lick My Boots

I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 17:06 (ten years ago) link

xp whoa!! what is that?

winston, Saturday, 23 August 2008 18:32 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Touch & Go is going to be letting all the Royal Trux action out of print.

ian, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:31 (ten years ago) link

shit i'm still hoping for a sweet sixteen reissue >: (

that's major label though so nm

omar little, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:33 (ten years ago) link

touch n go? you mean drag city?

mizzell, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:46 (ten years ago) link

yeah, drag city, my bad.
we got the e-mail from T&G cuz that's who we get our DC stock from.

ian, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:46 (ten years ago) link

is that a fucking question

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:39 (ten years ago) link

!! glad I got the good shit already then

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:41 (ten years ago) link

thanks for the heads-up ian, just snagged the radio/video 12"!

69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:44 (ten years ago) link

i have have 'Accelerator' and i absolutely hate it. I imagine i'm a little too young to have got this band, coupled with a bunch of hyperbole regarding their preceding me actually hearing them. I do have the track 'the spectre' on a comp somewhere tho which i absolutely adore. Which direction do i head to hear more like that?

siskin/skulls, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:48 (ten years ago) link

thank you and cats and dogs are less cranked-up than accelerator, and "the spectre" comes from C&D

69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:55 (ten years ago) link

but dude really no love for accel?

69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:57 (ten years ago) link

craziness

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 October 2008 21:07 (ten years ago) link

accel was the first RTX i ever heard, and it was super-immediate, and still is my favorite. probably it goes like this for me:

accel
thank you
veterans
pound for pound
singles box
sweet 16 (tied w) cats and dogs
royal trux
untitled
twin inf
hand of glory

69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 21:32 (ten years ago) link

tbh accelerator, while good, is not top tier trux IMHO

ian, Thursday, 23 October 2008 21:55 (ten years ago) link

69's list is probably about how i would rank them

metametadata (n/a), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:00 (ten years ago) link

not me - I'm not really into Thank You (BASS SOLO! = urgh no plz), the sound of it is just too clean n thumpy. which is weird coming from David Briggs. Accelerator is good. My favorites are actually Veterans and Pound for Pound.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:06 (ten years ago) link

yeah, if i'm going to get all ILM about it, my rank would actually be like:

accel
veterans (tied w) pound for pound (these albums kind of bleed together for me due to getting them at the same time)
thank you
singles box
sweet 16
cats and dogs
twin inf
royal trux
untitled
hand of glory

metametadata (n/a), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:10 (ten years ago) link

shit I was pretty much going to post the same list

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:11 (ten years ago) link

accelerator not being top tier trux is kinda madness,
but since they have such a varied sound I can understand clinging to one rather than another
which is pretty much what I did I think

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:13 (ten years ago) link

Cats & Dogs
Thank You
first s/t
Veterans
twin infinitives.

the rest move around, but that top 5 seems pretty constant for me.

ian, Friday, 24 October 2008 01:06 (ten years ago) link

Singles for me, then C&D, then TI, then the rest. Don't really like the rawk action records all that much.

sleeve, Friday, 24 October 2008 02:06 (ten years ago) link

choosing the singles is cheating! that's like 2 and a half hours long!

ian, Friday, 24 October 2008 02:18 (ten years ago) link

Hmm, one of these bands I've been wanting to check out for so long and now it seems time is running out... Could somebody break down their different phases/sounds?

baaderonixx, Friday, 24 October 2008 07:32 (ten years ago) link

No love for pound for pound?

I know, right?, Friday, 24 October 2008 08:04 (ten years ago) link

New RTX album JJ Got Live At RaTX is out soon. It's not much different to the rest of their stuff, but it's y'know, it's RTX.

the next grozart, Friday, 24 October 2008 08:39 (ten years ago) link

This is pretty schematic, Baaderonix, but this is how I view their evolution:

Early Trux: very lo-fi, similar to Pussy Galore.

Thank You: more classic rock sounding, think Exile on Main Street.

Accelerator: like Thank You, but more so. Beefed up sound, with a lot of repetition.

Post-Accelerator: back to the Thanks You sound, with more rambling jams than the focus of Accelerator. Admittedly I haven't heard their last record.

Accelerator is my fave, but the others I've heard all have loads going for them too.

Neil S, Friday, 24 October 2008 09:14 (ten years ago) link

Thanks!

baaderonixx, Friday, 24 October 2008 09:21 (ten years ago) link

New RTX album JJ Got Live At RaTX is out soon. It's not much different to the rest of their stuff, but it's y'know, it's RTX.

― the next grozart, Friday, October 24, 2008 3:39 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it came out this week ... waiting for drag city to get my vinyl copy to me

metametadata (n/a), Friday, 24 October 2008 12:12 (ten years ago) link

i don't think trux sound much like pussy galore, except for maybe neil's odd song ('walk' off corpse love). i'm not crazy about acclerator either - its brash and winningly 'pop', but i miss the languid slithering mush of Cats & Dogs/Dogs Of Love era, and the gonzoid excesses of Sweet Sixteen.

MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Friday, 24 October 2008 13:17 (ten years ago) link

i don't know how this relates to the above but dc are reissuing the first two trux lps come january.

i say pound for pound and thank you for top trux. radio video's great, too, and the liar single with phenomenal dire straits cover. it always kills me how great the musicianship is, considering they've a rep for messy, hastily arranged records.

schlump, Friday, 24 October 2008 13:23 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, Hagerty is a great guitarist. I'd like to put a word in for the 3 Song EP as well, which features the excellently named "The United States vs One 1974 Cadillac El Dorado Sedan".

Neil S, Friday, 24 October 2008 13:30 (ten years ago) link

oh holy crap that song is COLOSSAL. "faaaaamous laaaaand of nod!"

MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Friday, 24 October 2008 13:57 (ten years ago) link

how apocryphal are most of the stories surrounding TRUX and drugs?

MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Friday, 24 October 2008 13:57 (ten years ago) link

weird how addictive this band can be

I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:04 (ten years ago) link

accelerator's probably my fav, it was my perfect intro to their little world.

I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:04 (ten years ago) link

yeah i think i bought all of their albums within a one-year period

metametadata (n/a), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:05 (ten years ago) link

i've said it before, but 'back to school' off dogs of love ep is just wonderful.

MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:10 (ten years ago) link

the first time I heard the trux I had a panic attack

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 24 October 2008 21:32 (ten years ago) link

i was like OH MAN WHAT IS THIS MUSIC???

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 24 October 2008 21:32 (ten years ago) link

plus I was in a car where the dude who was driving was on a ton of speed and I didn't even realize it until we hit the highway

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 24 October 2008 21:33 (ten years ago) link

weird how addictive this band can be

― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Friday, October 24, 2008 7:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah i think i bought all of their albums within a one-year period

― metametadata (n/a), Friday, October 24, 2008 7:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

so so true

69, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:34 (ten years ago) link

oh also that panic attack thing is true in the best way abt accelerator, esp on 45rpm

69, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:34 (ten years ago) link

I would go for:
Three song ep.
Singles
Accelerator
Thank You
Untitled? (has Junkie nurse on it)
Vetrans of Disorder

All of these are great not sure about the rest. When I got that 3 song ep I played it all the time. The Singles box set and Accelerator were the early phase of my relationship, the part where you have sex every day and every single moment is grand but the Three song ep was when I truly fell in love.

Hinklepicker, Friday, 24 October 2008 23:35 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

god damn this thing on the Drag City Hour compilation, I had no idea. twenty-two minute freakout, full sonics, glorious '92-vintage shit. The tune is called "Fairy Godmother" and I always thought it was just some stray comp track but WHOAH.

sleeve, Thursday, 13 August 2009 07:54 (ten years ago) link

is it on the 3cd comp from a few years back? i think i want to hear this!

like i'm the fucking orange juice man (stevie), Thursday, 13 August 2009 09:01 (ten years ago) link

no, it isn't! that's why I tracked it down. It is described in the liner notes as a "chimp opera". the CD is sequenced as one long track which is a drag, but I chopped it out.

sleeve, Friday, 14 August 2009 07:14 (ten years ago) link

why es eye?

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 14 August 2009 07:23 (ten years ago) link

^^^^^^^^OTM

She's big on the mental illness scene (stevie), Friday, 14 August 2009 07:30 (ten years ago) link

AOK

Leonardo Music Journal -- Awesome!!

sleeve, Friday, 14 August 2009 20:05 (ten years ago) link

you, sleeve, are a star...

She's big on the mental illness scene (stevie), Saturday, 15 August 2009 10:27 (ten years ago) link

why are a number of their albums OOP? i thought drag city kept everything in print? maybe the artistes have reclaimed the rights? deluxxxe reissues in the works? hmmm..

amateurist, Saturday, 15 August 2009 18:57 (ten years ago) link

thank u & sweet 16 released by virgin

ice cr?m, Saturday, 15 August 2009 19:05 (ten years ago) link

yeah, but there are some originally on drag city that are also OOP, like accelerator.

amateurist, Saturday, 15 August 2009 19:53 (ten years ago) link

seriously? i'm sure the domino pressings are still in print though...

'dude, hydroponic uterus' (stevie), Saturday, 15 August 2009 22:55 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

fckk A++++

hobbes, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:12 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Singles, Live, Unreleased out, anyone heard it? Strangely enough, the CD version is actually sold out but not the LP. Usually the other way 'round for Drag City.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:05 (seven years ago) link

yeah i found it used on cd during the height of my royal trux fandom a few years ago, it's got some really good stuff on it

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:06 (seven years ago) link

it's a reissue, isn't it?

nostormo, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:09 (seven years ago) link

my favorite record of theirs, so glad they repressed it.

sleeve, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:10 (seven years ago) link

I mean, it is just titanic... and there's tons of stuff that wasn't actually on singles, so even if you have like a half dozen of their 45s it is still totally worth it.

sleeve, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:12 (seven years ago) link

Oh I gotta get that.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:15 (seven years ago) link

it's great, and gives a taste of every aspect of their sound, from fucked up lo fi to hard rocking jams to spacey synthy stuff. Cool cover too!

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:17 (seven years ago) link

yeah originally released in 1997

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:19 (seven years ago) link

still fuckin love these dudes, probably one of the best american rock bands. was thinking today that i want to learn how to play "stevie" and "stop." their fucked-up slow soul jams.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:23 (seven years ago) link

the mere fact they wrote a song about fat greasy Buddhist Steven Seagal makes them grade A awesome IMO.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:24 (seven years ago) link

so good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91MivHQRIAk
"people think that the united states are a sweet bowl of plastic flowers"

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:25 (seven years ago) link

or "sweet ol' plastic flower" ?

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:29 (seven years ago) link

Royal Trux succeeded in the rare combination of making music that sounds familiar and unique at the same time

nostormo, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:39 (seven years ago) link

Got this when it came out all those years ago and it kind of cemented my view of RT as makers of astounding music. It seemks weird to say that a box set of rarities, b sides and unreleased stuff is all essesntial and also a good place to start for a beginner but thst what I would say about this set. Brilliant. Brilliant. So much stuff and just a great wild time to get to know all these tunes and non tunes.

Hinklepicker, Thursday, 10 November 2011 23:16 (seven years ago) link

A-sides too!

sleeve, Thursday, 10 November 2011 23:22 (seven years ago) link

Yes asides. A good way to keep secrets.

Hinklepicker, Friday, 11 November 2011 04:32 (seven years ago) link

Royal Trux (and Hagerty more generally) are totally going to be more widely recognized for their awesomeness somewhere down the line, I'm convinced. Probably in fifteen years or so, when some Tarantino analogue uses one of their songs in a movie.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 11 November 2011 21:42 (seven years ago) link

Wait, the Singles, Live reissue is sold out on CD? I don't even see it listed on the Drag City website as having a CD version, just LP or mp3....grrr!

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:40 (seven years ago) link

http://pl.ayli.st/Royal+Trux/Faca+Amolada

Mariusz Smiley (admrl), Thursday, 17 November 2011 06:00 (seven years ago) link

yeah the SLU has been OOP on CD for a while. why? i don't know.

i've been fans of these guys forever and i've seen them live twice but i still have no idea what jennifer herrema looks like. i can't find a single photo where her hair isn't over at least 2/3 of her face.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 November 2011 07:28 (seven years ago) link

Well y'know, that's the point

Teeth, Thursday, 17 November 2011 07:43 (seven years ago) link

Fringes are so hot

Teeth, Thursday, 17 November 2011 07:44 (seven years ago) link

i know it's the point, but it's bizarre that she's sustained it so long.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 November 2011 08:00 (seven years ago) link

One of the best gigs I've been to was Royal Trux and the Make Up in a very small venue in Bristol. Both bands were on fire.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 17 November 2011 09:01 (seven years ago) link

never been to a Trux gig (shame) but from what ive seen on youtube - isn't the "fire" came mainky from Jennifer?
Neil looks kinda indifferent.

nostormo, Thursday, 17 November 2011 10:02 (seven years ago) link

he's kind of second fiddle to Jennifer, yes. She's the real deal though, I think she was wearing a kaftan at the show I was at, proper Marianne Faithful rock star cool.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 17 November 2011 10:22 (seven years ago) link

accelerator on vinyl was one of my better finds this year. definitely their best record if just for i'm ready and stevie

bluelips, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:11 (seven years ago) link

he's kind of second fiddle to Jennifer, yes

lol I guess in terms of enthusiasm/stage presence maybe but musically? gtfo

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:43 (seven years ago) link

well yes, my answer was to the previous post, about the gig I went to. I don't think anyone would argue contrary to what you say on Hagerty being the compositional/ musical force.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:46 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Announcing First Object from FEATHERED FISH: A New Collaboration between Jennifer Herrema and Pamela Love

FEATHERED FISH WEBSITE

http://cdn.e2ma.net/userdata/1702443/images/xlarge/e1360775181.jpg

It all started when artist and musician Jennifer Herrema approached her favorite jewelry designer Pamela Love about collaborating on a remake of the iconic Royal Trux skull ring. Pamela, a longtime fan of Jennifer’s and a musician herself, immediately said yes. The two quickly hit it off and realized that they had way more in common than just skull rings. The ideas started flowing between the two and they were just too good not to see through. Thanks to a collaborative partnership with record label Drag City, Feathered Fish took flight. The name honors Jennifer and Pamela's shared Pisces status and owes inspiration to a 1966 song by Arthur Lee of the psychedelic LA band, Love. Feathered Fish combines Pamela’s experience and vision, finely honed through running her eponymous jewelry line, with Jennifer’s prowess not only as rock royalty but also as a clothing and jewelry designer in her own right.

The debut object from Feathered Fish is a reimagining of that Royal Trux skull ring that brought Jennifer and Pamela's heads together in the beginning. They retained the skull from the original design, added a fitting traditional tribal motif and replaced the crossbones with crossed arrows. Made from sterling silver, the ring is limited to 40 pieces. Herrema and Love have way more than just jewelry up their sleeves. Feathered Fish will produce roughly four American-made artifacts each year, ranging from jewelry to art objects to clothing, each of a similarly limited edition. What they come out with is limited only by their imaginations and what’s legal to cross state lines. Tune in every few months to see what they come up with next. Expect a proliferation of good vibes.

PLACE SKULL RING ORDERS HERE

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 19:43 (six years ago) link

Only $200 postpaid!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 19:43 (six years ago) link

hot n cold skulls?

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:03 (six years ago) link

So, for $200, is that all you get?

Mike Dixn, Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:28 (six years ago) link

Or you get nothing at all.

InternationalWaters, Sunday, 17 February 2013 17:51 (six years ago) link

Does someone have scans of the mag appearance where they interviewed Keith Richards?

OG requiem head (Call the Cops), Sunday, 17 February 2013 19:45 (six years ago) link

Not a scan, but here's the text:
http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1196890

Mike Dixn, Sunday, 17 February 2013 20:15 (six years ago) link

Thanks!

OG requiem head (Call the Cops), Sunday, 17 February 2013 21:58 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpzmoBniw_I

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:33 (six years ago) link

mesmerizing

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:33 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

Jennifer Herrema just said on Facebook that the next Black Bananas album will have two songs cowritten with NMH

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 30 May 2013 15:48 (six years ago) link

whoa!
i wonder if that means they are unearthing historical trux jams tho

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:13 (six years ago) link

either way

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:22 (six years ago) link

Killer!

Drugs A. Money, Monday, 3 June 2013 10:35 (six years ago) link

it is interesting to wonder if they'll sound like old royal trux songs or if they'll sound like some ungodly mashup of RTX and the howling hex, like blaring hair-metal guitars in polka rhythm

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:19 (six years ago) link

i wonder if that means they are unearthing historical trux jams tho

this is my guess

Mr. Scarf Ace is Back (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:00 (six years ago) link

i read a thing (on p4k?) that said new, so i can believe new until i hear otherwise. some of the stuff about neil playing twin infinitives in brooklyn talked about him & jennifer talking about it so maybe stuff went from there.

also props to n/a for writing this meta-referential faux-trux lyric: blaring hair-metal guitars in polka rhythm

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:04 (six years ago) link

Classic.

chromecassettes, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:52 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

OK i finally just got the singles comp and whaaaat @ this milton nascimento cover

bentelec, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 02:23 (six years ago) link

it's great!

twerking for obvious reasons (contenderizer), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 04:38 (six years ago) link

that's what

twerking for obvious reasons (contenderizer), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 04:38 (six years ago) link

Still amazing. So many of their records are perfect for me and this is is one of only box sets that I love almost everything on. Also for a singles and odds and sods collection is also surprisingly a good place to start for introductions.
I miss Neil and Jennifer togethor thats for sure. Apart from sporadic intervention I have lost track of both artists solo careers though - seems a little tricky to know where to dip in.

Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 09:50 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I just re-bought Pound For Pound which I kind of disliked as a water-treading, phoning it in effort when it came out. Maybe true, but it's great too.
No bad albums from this band.

And check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a16igonZo20

Mike Dixn, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 22:53 (six years ago) link

neil wearing a tottenham jersey!

fit and working again, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 23:41 (six years ago) link

wow, great video, thanks for posting.

sleeve, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:09 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

Ian Svenonius wrote a short oral history of "Veterans of Disorder"

http://www.fvckthemedia.com/issue23/out-of-order

Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:26 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:47 (four years ago) link

aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

I never saw them live. have seen hagerty at least

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:49 (four years ago) link

This is the one reunion I had assumed would never ever happen.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:50 (four years ago) link

well there's still the Smiths

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:50 (four years ago) link

and Spacemen 3

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:50 (four years ago) link

This is the one reunion of a good band I had assumed would never ever happen.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:53 (four years ago) link

haha ok

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:56 (four years ago) link

Holy. Shit. That's awesome. I reeeeeally hope they tour.

Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:58 (four years ago) link

whaaat

sleeve, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:06 (four years ago) link

:OOOOOO

you can now get married in a church of bacon (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:23 (four years ago) link

!!!!! hyped for possible tour, i wonder if they will make it to the east coast before prob inevitable implosion

adam, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:37 (four years ago) link

Saw them once - so ramshackle and fantastic. I also hope to get to see them again. great news!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:51 (four years ago) link

Cool I saw RTX years ago and it was great.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:53 (four years ago) link

saw them play with the Make Up in a c200 venue, great show!

Keith Moom (Neil S), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:56 (four years ago) link

Weren't they a notoriously awful live band? I mean, I'd still go see them if I could but...

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:15 (four years ago) link

Best-case scenario is that them leads to writing/recording new Royal Trux music.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:15 (four years ago) link

i saw them twice in the mid 90s, hated them both times, but i was a stupid kid back then

mizzell, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:17 (four years ago) link

yeah i saw them opening for pavement when i was 15 or 16 and had no fucking idea what was happening.

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:18 (four years ago) link

I wonder whose rhythm section they'll borrow

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:20 (four years ago) link

I was looking for the Puncture article about Royal Trux where Neil is all paranoid in their rural Virginia house and I found this: http://www.royaltrux.wolfzen.com/rtx_ints_needs_formatting.txt A whole bunch of Royal Trux interviews/articles on a long unformatted page

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:30 (four years ago) link

"Why'd you get 90-minute tapes?" Hagerty groans.
"That's all they had."
"But the 60-minute ones are better."
"That's what they had,'' Herrema repeats. "Neil, I've had a bad day. I was
loading the groceries into the van, and when I turned around there was a guy
in a pick-up truck looking at me. He was jacking off."
"Fuck! Did you see his plates?"
"No. He followed me but I blew a light and lost him."
"Jesus, Jennifer, why didn't you get his plate number? How many lights did he
follow you for? ... Three? He got your plates. He's probably a fuckin' serial
killer."
Hagerty walks to the front window and stares out, past the white propane tank,
past the swampy lump of grass, past the van, the Jag, the Woody, and my own
car. There's no killer visible, but Hagerty's not satisfied. "I should get the
gun. Did you call the police? We should call the police."
"Neil, I lost him."
"You had a fuckin' killer and you let him slip out of your net. What if he
goes and molests a kid?"
"I was not going to stop and take down his license-plate number."
"I'm just saying he was behind you. You could've just looked back," Hagerty
moans, stalking the room as if John Wayne Gacy is about to crawl from under
the sofa cushions.
"You're paranoid," says Herrema.
For the next few hours Hagerty will sporadically pop up from his seat and peek
out the window, continually returning to the subject to retread his original
argument.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:33 (four years ago) link

\m/

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:43 (four years ago) link

lol I want to read that whole thing but I feel like I should stop myself

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:49 (four years ago) link

I did the thing to send that whole page to my Kindle for later reading.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:56 (four years ago) link

I got as far as the part where they're arguing about the Reducers lol - the scenester minutiae is hilar

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:56 (four years ago) link

Best-case scenario is that them leads to writing/recording new Royal Trux music.

No way, reunions are much better in general if they don't have any new material and just play the old stuff.

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:58 (four years ago) link

sometimes I think there is no better song title than "Martyr Lectures Comedian"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 20:21 (four years ago) link

thanks for that link, NA!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 23:27 (four years ago) link

Weren't they a notoriously awful live band? I mean, I'd still go see them if I could but...
--Immediate Follower (NA)

They were great when I saw them but I imagine their performances could be uh varied.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 May 2015 00:34 (four years ago) link

i saw them in 1998 and it was one of the greatest shows I've ever seen. Hagerty is an insanely glorious guitar player, on a good night. They played Back To School.

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 14 May 2015 08:17 (four years ago) link

watching Hagerty play guitar is truly a gift - whatever his faults as a cantankerous contrarian trickster asshole the guy has chops for days, so inventive.

altho tbh I wouldn't be surprised if he opts to not play guitar at all for this (I did see him play 6-string bass for almost an entire show once, for instance)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:13 (four years ago) link

I'd love it if they got Ken Nasta back on percussion. Is he up to anything these days?

Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:18 (four years ago) link

I'll be surprised if they do anything that's a concession to their past (ie play with previous band members, play "the hits" or maybe even old Royal Trux songs at all), it seems out of character for NMH in particular.

Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:20 (four years ago) link

I'd be cool with all-new stuff. They've both kept it going at an admirably high level.

Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:22 (four years ago) link

the first time these two actually see each other again should be as they walk out on stage

tylerw, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:24 (four years ago) link

yeah of all the reunions that have happened, this is one that I think will be genuinely unpredictable

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:25 (four years ago) link

would be cool with 40-minute version of Juicy Juicy Juice tbh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:25 (four years ago) link

Hell, I'd outright request a 40-minute version of 'Juicy Juicy Juice'. Would be amazing.

Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:33 (four years ago) link

lol I was talking about this with my wife in a "how do we get to this" way and my daughter asked who Royal Trux were and my wife said "they do that song you like about Juice"

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:36 (four years ago) link

That's great! I always figured (some language aside) that kids would be way into a lot of the Trux songs from that era.

Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:39 (four years ago) link

hey who doesn't wanna go to the waterpark amirite

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:43 (four years ago) link

I'm going to go see Hagerty later on this month. I have a feeling it will either be terrible or amazing.

kwhitehead, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:17 (four years ago) link

i dont care i want to see the full world tour royal trux extravaganza

Hinklepicker, Friday, 15 May 2015 22:48 (four years ago) link

the first time these two actually see each other again should be as they walk out on stage

― tylerw, Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

beautiful post

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:40 (four years ago) link

actually really lovely & interesting to know that rtx collaboration & now this are a thing, though

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:40 (four years ago) link

I was looking for the Puncture article about Royal Trux where Neil is all paranoid in their rural Virginia house and I found this: http://www.royaltrux.wolfzen.com/rtx_ints_needs_formatting.txt A whole bunch of Royal Trux interviews/articles on a long unformatted page

― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:30 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I did the thing to send that whole page to my Kindle for later reading.

― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:56 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I highly recommend doing this. One of the best books I've read this year.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 22 May 2015 15:01 (four years ago) link

that bomb interview is great, thanks schlump

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Friday, 22 May 2015 18:17 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Saw one tweet indicating that Jennifer and Neil have yet to meet face-to-face about the reunion, saw another tweet that there's a special Royal Trux t-shirt only for sale at the festival

Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:24 (four years ago) link

gonna be a weird trainwreck, that's for sure. which is appropriate.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:29 (four years ago) link

Saw one tweet indicating that Jennifer and Neil have yet to meet face-to-face about the reunion

― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, August 6, 2015 12:24 PM (9 minutes ago)

lolllllll! link?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:34 (four years ago) link

doesn't seem like a crazy problem imo

& otoh i am hyped for the tshirt

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:42 (four years ago) link

they've known each other since they were kids. should be easy to get steezy on stage

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:51 (four years ago) link

that long text file is amazing

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 7 August 2015 05:31 (four years ago) link

Neil: Did you read the Royal Trux thing in The Voice?
Lisa: No.
Neil: The Voice is just one of those things, like Karl Marx or the Don't Tread
On Me flag. The Village Voice staff from 1970. The way I see it, there's a
certain force operating underneath social life. To me. Royal Trux is like the
trip, like the word life. It's like, I'm on a Royal Trux.
[A conversation here about communism and its connection to the Don't Tread On Me
flag too confusing to transcribe.]

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 7 August 2015 05:31 (four years ago) link

"Herrema has plenty going on – as well a new Black Bananas LP, she's starring in the new series of the Judd Apatow-produced Netflix romcom Love"

Wait what!

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 August 2015 07:46 (four years ago) link

lol yes

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Friday, 7 August 2015 08:31 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Of course that wasn't going to be it. NYC show in December - http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2015/10/royal_trux_play.html

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 October 2015 23:53 (three years ago) link

ugh webster hall. tix on sale friday 10am

adam, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 11:27 (three years ago) link

highly considering going, though now it's a bit more likely that more shows could happen...

related/semi-self-hype: I did a piece on Twin Infinitives for PSF that sort of fits in with a lot of the conversation in this thread:

http://www.furious.com/perfect/royaltrux3.html

whitehallunity, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:27 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

https://royaltrux2016.bandcamp.com/

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:03 (three years ago) link

haha awesome

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:15 (three years ago) link

yess!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:41 (three years ago) link

I was at the Chicago reunion show, it was pretty much what I expected (a weird/awesome mess).

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:01 (three years ago) link

I don't think there's a bad (or at least boring) Trux LP, but I love Cats & Dogs - Dogs of Love - Thank You - Sweet 16 so much more than the breathrough stuff that followed

someone who just gets annoyed at bad tweets (stevie), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:05 (three years ago) link

have never been able to hear Sweet 16, annoys the shit out of me

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:10 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

JH is doing a DJ/podcast thing:
http://dublab.com/labrat/labrat-jennifer-herrema/

Playlists look pretty good. Just fired up the latest episode with Rian Murphy.

Mike Dixn, Thursday, 3 November 2016 22:11 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Playing in Manchester next year with The Fall, Loop and others - http://www.dragcity.com/tours#royal-trux

Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Thursday, 17 November 2016 22:14 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

i've been listening to accelerator and 3-song ep a bunch lately but i don't know much else other than some random songs on youtube. what should i check out next? cats and dogs? does anything else sound like 3 song ep?

dynamicinterface, Sunday, 26 February 2017 23:35 (two years ago) link

Yeah "Cats and Dogs", definitely

pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Sunday, 26 February 2017 23:48 (two years ago) link

If you like Accelerator get Veterans of Disorder and Pound For Pound

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 February 2017 02:29 (two years ago) link

My first RT was an impulse buy of the triple vinyl Singles, Live, Unreleased and I'd recommend that, as well as everything already mentioned

albvivertine, Monday, 27 February 2017 10:10 (two years ago) link

Cats & Dogs is their best imho

Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Monday, 27 February 2017 11:07 (two years ago) link

The odds & ends comp is the one I keep going back to:
https://www.discogs.com/Royal-Trux-Singles-Live-Unreleased/release/1269891

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:15 (two years ago) link

this is one of those questions where everyone's going to give you a different answer

na (NA), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:15 (two years ago) link

I still have never gotten that into any of the pre-Cats & Dogs albums but my general recommendation wrt RT is to just get everything they recorded from that point on plus the singles compilation because it's almost all great. Top three albums after Accelerator would be Cats & Dogs, Veterans, and Thank You.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:22 (two years ago) link

Cats and Dogs is my go-to, but the preceding self-titled (with the gold pile of skulls) was my first and it made a big impression on my tender young brain almost 25 years ago (shit).

Singles/Live/Unreleased is a goldmine of killer Trux tunes, covers a lot of stylistic ground. Worth it for "Shockwave Rider" and "Back to School" alone.

Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:47 (two years ago) link

Cats and Dogs is my go-to, but the preceding self-titled (with the gold pile of skulls) was my first and it made a big impression on my tender young brain almost 25 years ago (shit).

knock five years off that timescale and this is me also

Vlogs from other credible bands such as Shed Seven (DJ Mencap), Monday, 27 February 2017 17:03 (two years ago) link

To echo the posts above... start with Cats and Dogs, then work forward/backward from there.

still have never gotten that into any of the pre-Cats & Dogs albums

Same here, the early looser stuff doesn't appeal to me much. Sweet Sixteen is my favorite.

new noise, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:00 (two years ago) link

Cats and Dogs is my go-to, but the preceding self-titled (with the gold pile of skulls) was my first and it made a big impression on my tender young brain almost 25 years ago (shit).

Yes. Junkie Nurse and Sun On The Run and Air and a bunch of others make this a must.

Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:55 (two years ago) link

Junkie Nurse is so spooky. Love the guitar-playing on that one.

Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 27 February 2017 19:25 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

well well

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 23:04 (two years ago) link

noooo even the haggmeister has a beard now :(

a but (brimstead), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 23:09 (two years ago) link

new vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BneR3bjueI

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:13 (two years ago) link

or not. duh.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:13 (two years ago) link

don't get my hopes up like that

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:17 (two years ago) link

my bad.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:26 (two years ago) link

GTFOH with that 20 year old "new vid" revive...

http://www.dragcity.com/products/platinum-tips-ice-cream

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 April 2017 05:01 (two years ago) link

http://imgur.com/a/QQB2s

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:45 (two years ago) link

Then someone in the comments posts a link to the drone-jam 2nd part of "Half A Canyon", to which Jen replies:

"Their Royal Trux homage to Spike Cyclone at @ 2:22-2:45 is the best part" which is OTM!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:47 (two years ago) link

New vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mlVzN4wbG8

Mike Dixn, Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:23 (two years ago) link

wow this album's gonna be weird

Wimmels, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:38 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Awwww I didn't know Kid Millions was playing drums for 'em! I was already crushed to find out I'd missed them in Detroit, this makes it like 100x worse

the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 29 May 2017 16:51 (two years ago) link

live album is streaming on npr: http://www.npr.org/2017/06/08/530279358/first-listen-royal-trux-platinum-tips-ice-cream

na (NA), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:38 (two years ago) link

I haven't listened yet but is that the most platonically perfect RT album title ever??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:57 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

Anyone else considering flying out to SF:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba7-dd_hz4-/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 13:58 (one year ago) link

seeing them tonight at the Chapel

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:00 (one year ago) link

Great show! Rhythm section was killing it, played a lot of my faves incl opening w The Spectre. Platinum Tips, I'm Ready, Hot and Cold Skulls, Juicy Juicy Juice, Waterpark, Banana Question (the highlight imo).

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:05 (one year ago) link

Lights of the Levee too

My wife thought they got "kinda free jazz". Def wild and wooly.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:07 (one year ago) link

wo jealous

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:17 (one year ago) link

sounds awesome, great news, hope they continue working together

sleeve, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:28 (one year ago) link

who was the rhythm section? when i saw them last year it was hagerty's drummer and herrema's guitarist but i see a reference to kid millions upthread

na (NA), Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:41 (one year ago) link

I'm not sure who the bassist was but yeah I think the drummer was Kid Millions and he was in full-on Keith Moon mode the whole time, it was great. Hagerty fiddled with his pedals a lot and occasionally his guitar got lost in a haze of mud but that would be my only complaint sound-wise. Herrema had a little synth and a couple pedals and random things, I think she was also triggering samples or something because there were multiple points throughout the set where I couldn't tell where certain non-bass/guitar/drum sounds were coming from.

Trying to remember what else they did, there were a couple songs I didn't recognize. Something called "Sunsine" too, I think? I laughed when Hagerty said "this next one is from our last studio album" and then went into "Platinum Tips"

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:53 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbRvLZKTwg0

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 November 2017 16:49 (one year ago) link

JUICY JUICY JUICE

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 16:59 (one year ago) link

It was really good. Turn out was weak. Busy season in the Bay and Halloween hangover I guess. Kid Millions is really such a good fit.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:19 (one year ago) link

I was in the balcony, looked like a pretty full house from up there...? Def a bigger crowd than when I saw Howling Hex at the Hemlock years back lol.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:21 (one year ago) link

Right on!!

brimstead, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:58 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Okay, big news:

http://fatpossum.com/royal-trux-announce-signing-to-fat-possum-catalog-going-digital/

American rock & roll band Royal Trux (Jennifer Herrema and Neil Hagerty) have signed with Mississippi label Fat Possum Records which will re-release the entire digital catalog from the duo’s 1988 self titled debut up to 2000’s pre-hiatus gem Pound for Pound.

You can pre-save the bands catalog on Spotify by clicking here. Expect the first slate of re-releases from Fat Possum on all streaming sites in March 2018.

Herrema and Hagerty have also confirmed plans to enter the studio this Summer to record a new album for Fat Possum. The band have performed spontaneous secret shows across the USA and Europe since picking back up where they left off in 2015. But 2018 will prove to be their busiest year with strategic headlining shows across the US and festival dates across Europe going in to 2019.

Strategic, you see.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link

if there's one word you'd associate with royal trux it'd def be 'strategic'

i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:56 (one year ago) link

Is this due to digital intransigence on the part of Drag City or something?

How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:58 (one year ago) link

xpost Man, you just conjured a vivid image of Neil & Jen interviews where they engage in hardcore corporatespeak about branding and synergy and it's killing me.

How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:59 (one year ago) link

Weirdly enough ever since that article a few weeks ago talking about how they invested their 90s major label money in real estate and say they've still earned money off their back catalog all this time, yes, I would associate 'strategic' with them now!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

Basically they just seemed like utter wastrel burnouts from the outside but they have it more together than we'd realized.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

And related to that:

Is this due to digital intransigence on the part of Drag City or something?

Unlikely -- they've been putting up a lot of material last I checked -- but again, I could just as easily see them negotiating a better deal in general.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

i wonder if drag city had to approve the digital distribution of the back catalog aspect?

na (NA), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:03 (one year ago) link

This is overall great news, though it's slightly disappointing that "Sweet Sixteen" is not one of the albums being reissued.

Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:38 (one year ago) link

Wait, whaaaat? That's stupid. I mean, I understand that it's probably logistically more difficult, but still stupid. Especially considering that Sweet Sixteen is the album is the one I'd most like to own in a form that had no packaging.

How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:42 (one year ago) link

I always figured that people's problems with the cover art were due to the smallness of the cd format. I'll need to see it blown up to 12"x12" to really appreciate it.

Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:52 (one year ago) link

We need a special edition package which features a note-perfect three-dimensional sculpture of the cover art which you have to reach into in order to retrieve the fetid, dripping disc.

How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:55 (one year ago) link

Trux of the past is not Trux of the now- which in similar yet completely different terms- Trux of the past IS Trux of the now.

Uhh

They have no affinity for any one label. They're master negotiators and they're gonna either A: Swindle some big bux or B: Do whatever gives them the exact freedoms they desire. I wonder how much they kept of their old studio. I wonder how much of the new record will be completely new material or old stuff they never got to? Brian seems to be turning Neil on to the crazed Midi guitar shit he's been doing in Black Bananas. Also is it true Jen is bfgf with Kurt Midness? If Midness is in the mix too like, this could be some huge crash of Black Bananas + Royal Trux. This could be yuge or a big trainwreck. Here's to hoping they stick this out.

Trux died 15 years ago (iirc) when Jen's father passed away and she nosedived back into drugs. Neil couldn't take it. It was a premature death solely due to some lifeshit happening. Not even band related. They were meant to stay together. No disrespect to what they accomplished on their own. Hex is a pet project of absurdities and hidden genius. Bananas is sick af and should have been the biggest band of the 80s. I guess since Pound For Pound was mostly a retread of used ideas it's probably best how things went. Now they can come back with new inspirations and less fux to give.

Hype

edges, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:20 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Email just now -- the last paragraph is of particular interest:

Royal Trux (Neil Hagerty/Jennifer Herrema) are making their entire cumulative catalog (40 lps including Royal Trux, NMH, RTX, Howling Hex, and Black Bananas) available via their new home at Fat Possum. The releases will be made available to the public via streaming for the first time and the scheduled roll out has the first 3 chosen albums arriving on all streaming outlets including Spotify, TIDAL, Amazon, Google Play and Deezer this Friday, March 9th.

1993's Cats and Dogs, 1998’s Accelerator and 1999’s Veterans of Disorder

are the first 3 albums the duo have chosen to roll out. Since picking up where they left off, Jennifer Herrema and Neil Hagerty have gone back to work on their first studio LP in nearly 18 years. The band will self-produce, but will include an impressive roster of unexpected co-producers and collaborators on the new record's rumored 15 new tracks.

Stay tuned for the announcement coming via Instagram launching Royal Trux TV which will unleash a vault of previously unseen films, videos and live footage as well as the band's long out-of-print scripted films What Is Royal Trux? and Live At Gettysburg along with newly created content for the forthcoming new record created by Herrema and Hagerty.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:24 (one year ago) link

oh nice, i don't really know the nmh/howling hex stuff that well so it'll be nice to be able to browse it

na (NA), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:16 (one year ago) link

search the 1st one under the name "NMH & The Howling HEx", with the killer live version of "Rockslide"

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:19 (one year ago) link

i still maintain that "transmaniacon" by rtx is an unheralded classic

na (NA), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:21 (one year ago) link

40 LPs???

brimstead, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:45 (one year ago) link

I was wondering that myself

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:50 (one year ago) link

Given all the sideprojects? Sure.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:36 (one year ago) link

lol I already counted and only got 29 - maybe if they are including singles, or there are live recordings or something

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:50 (one year ago) link

yeah thinking about it, neil's been pretty prolific post-trux

brimstead, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:51 (one year ago) link

oh I forgot the albums under just the HH name, yeah looks about right!

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 22:10 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

ran into my 1st guitar teacher pic.twitter.com/iHDAHer0nd

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) June 18, 2018

Mike Dixn, Monday, 18 June 2018 23:54 (one year ago) link

Saw that last nite... I checked his feed at a good time ;)

Royal Trux (Neil Hagerty/Jennifer Herrema) are making their entire cumulative catalog (40 lps including Royal Trux, NMH, RTX, Howling Hex, and Black Bananas) available via their new home at Fat Possum. The releases will be made available to the public via streaming for the first time and the scheduled roll out has the first 3 chosen albums arriving on all streaming outlets including Spotify, TIDAL, Amazon, Google Play and Deezer this Friday, March 9th.

Wow - I missed the fact that all the NMH/Hex stuff is also coming to Fat Possum / digital.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 00:19 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

nu Trux, on first listen pretty damn cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbtt5jEjjkg

Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:07 (nine months ago) link

Awesome, I’ve been waiting for this

a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:14 (nine months ago) link

Kool Keith on the other new track!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJTDvozyrko

Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:16 (nine months ago) link

a lot going on with that one, will need a few listens I think

Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:18 (nine months ago) link

my dream team-up circa 1997 has now come to pass

Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:19 (nine months ago) link

Yessssssss

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:21 (nine months ago) link

Definitely not feeling the Judgment Night vibes of that Kool Keith track but it's definitely consistent with the wtfness of Royal Trux

Other song is cool. More RTX than Howling Hex, to my ears. Is there a release date for this yet?

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:37 (nine months ago) link

Yeah, these traxx sound like Jennifer had a few ideas, and Neil said — “Ok”

a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 00:47 (nine months ago) link

Will there be an album?

nostormo, Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:21 (nine months ago) link

Great
Thanks

nostormo, Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:35 (nine months ago) link

These songs have grown on me a bit... They have a “Trux-by-numbers” element to them, I’m not gonna lie; but they do hit that groove.

(I feel like this band is the grown-up version of the kids in “High Fidelity” whose demo tape was the Radio Video EP, lol)

greta van vliet (morrisp), Saturday, 27 October 2018 00:46 (nine months ago) link

hmm

so as far as i can tell the new royal trux is jennifer, her husband, alexis from hot chip, andy from white magic???? kool keith just a guests on that 1 track

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 5, 2018

tylerw, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:31 (nine months ago) link

Nice catch... Right when I'm about to buy tix too.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:37 (nine months ago) link

is neil saying he's not in RT or is neil saying kool keith is not in rt don't get it twisted?

Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:39 (nine months ago) link

I'm inferring the former based on his 2 follow ups:

updates as they occur

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 5, 2018

what a wrong, strange trip it has been

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 6, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:46 (nine months ago) link

wtf

sleeve, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:46 (nine months ago) link

my guess is that neil handed over the completion of the new record to jennifer and isn't too psyched about the results?

tylerw, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:48 (nine months ago) link

Wut

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:04 (nine months ago) link

If this is what it sounds like, wouldn't it be better for all involved if they just rebranded it as a Black Bananas album?

John MILF Mellencamp (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:16 (nine months ago) link

Didn't he make some cryptic comment about being fired or being an "unemployed" guitar player right around the time they were posting photos of recording?

But yeah I think...wut is correct statement regarding this whole sitch

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:19 (nine months ago) link

I think the run from Cats & Dogs - Thank You is faultless, but tbh did not enjoy the live album and am not excited about a new Trux album, and don't think much of the new trax

Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:22 (nine months ago) link

it isn't really clear that any of those tweets are related to each other, they're all several hours apart

na (NA), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:26 (nine months ago) link

but just that one tweet raises questions about nmh's involvement in new royal trux yeah

na (NA), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:27 (nine months ago) link

I think the run from Cats & Dogs - Thank You is faultless,

Is this meant to be shade? Lol

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:28 (nine months ago) link

ha, not meant as shade - I'm including the dogs of love ep there too!

Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:34 (nine months ago) link

I mean, I'd expand the range a bit myself, but on its face that is a true statement.

John MILF Mellencamp (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:36 (nine months ago) link

The one with the toilet on the cover def has its moments, as do the albums and EPs before the split, but those three records are just sublime to me.

Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:46 (nine months ago) link

WTF is Hot Chip even doing in this equation ?!?

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 19:31 (nine months ago) link

Yeah, that def gave me pause.

Extreme - 'Bron-Yr-Aur' (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 19:38 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

imagine getting fired from being yourself?

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 27, 2018

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 22:56 (eight months ago) link

haha very weird. who knows what is really going on, but I would think that royal trux couldn't actually exist without Neil?

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:37 (eight months ago) link

I mean, Jennifer sort of tried it before (with “RTX”). I would think “reunion show” $$ would depend on Neil’s involvement, though.

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:58 (eight months ago) link

I take it there's been no mention of this outside of his Twitter?

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:01 (eight months ago) link

i don't think so! if i see him around town i'll have to ask. don't think there's been a howling hex show in a while. they've been getting noisy/abstract this year.

tylerw, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:06 (eight months ago) link

Tyler - you live in Denver? Did you go to any of those "afternoon tea" (or whatever) concert happenings they were doing at that dispensary?

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:10 (eight months ago) link

yea unsure exactly what all these barbs and snark means exactly for what has gone on and the future of royal trux - wasn't there supposed to be a new album? -but it sure as hell does not sound anything like promising

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 04:05 (eight months ago) link

There is a new album, and I've not spent too long with it but it's pretty weird/good?

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:01 (eight months ago) link

Even weirder:

Just FYI Yall 🤡🧐 pic.twitter.com/X77dGMQ9AR

— ROYAL TRUX (@realroyaltrux) November 28, 2018

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:28 (eight months ago) link

Oh.

Sheesh, we got played.

Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 13:09 (eight months ago) link

sub 600 follower account @realroyaltrux questioning credentials

ogmor, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:22 (eight months ago) link

The Howling Hex acct. is definitely Neil.

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:45 (eight months ago) link

Is anyone here in a position to make inquiries w/the label, publicity, etc.?

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:24 (eight months ago) link

There is a new album, and I've not spent too long with it but it's pretty weird/good?

You mean that "live" Platinum Tips record? It was better than I expected. Disappointed if this isn't going to have Neil involved though. Got enuff RTX and Black Bananas records as it is.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:37 (eight months ago) link

No, there's a new studio album due in the new year. It *sounds like Neil's on it, but I haven't listened v closely yet. It's definitely more fun than the live album, which I found a bit of a drag.

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:03 (eight months ago) link

yeah, the howling hex twitter acct is definitely neil.
royal trux — sowing seeds of confusion! who woulda thunk it.

tylerw, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:23 (eight months ago) link

Oh! I didn't know the full album was floating around out there yet, thanks. I though it was just those few tracks so far. Interesting to see how this plays out.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:24 (eight months ago) link

Interesting to see how this plays out.

part of me hopes this is a fake-out for media attention - that would be pretty hilarious tbh

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:39 (eight months ago) link

Hagerty is the original steev mike

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:40 (eight months ago) link

Don’t know what the “punchline” would be — a show here in L.A. was cancelled at last minute, earlier this year, due to some weird drama. The $$ was refunded; but that experience plus these tweets by Neil = me for sure not buying tix to upcoming show in advance.

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:03 (eight months ago) link

not sure why anyone who knows anything about the history of royal trux would think they would need to fake drama

na (NA), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:28 (eight months ago) link

It's all leading up to the announcement of a Kinky Wizards tour.

Welcome to Gropelord, TX (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:57 (eight months ago) link

Bad blood, it's gonna fall on you...

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:30 (eight months ago) link

Has anyone even picked up on this outside of this thread though

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:23 (eight months ago) link

thanks for the feedback ive got someone looking over the notifics for me because i am too thin-skinned

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 28, 2018

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:27 (eight months ago) link

Whew, glad that clears everything up then.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:30 (eight months ago) link

hagerty's twitter feed is golden.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:07 (eight months ago) link

gotta figure neil would either be Not Online or Extremely Online

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:08 (eight months ago) link

For years, he ran this "collaborative blog" thing at a site called Soapblox -- it was the main Howling Hex webpage -- and it was pretty cool. He would do most the main posts, and users could comment; but you could also submit articles/posts that he would approve for publication if he liked them enough. But he shut it down suddenly at some point in the early 2010s.

plant a twee or die (morrisp), Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:11 (eight months ago) link

Point:
https://royal-trux.com

Counterpoint:

Dennis DeYoung Says He Had No Prospects After He Got Fired From Styx https://t.co/P9BAqFL8sK via @YouTube

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 29, 2018

Mike Dixn, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 06:06 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://fatpossum.com/royal-trux-announce-white-stuff/

na (NA), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:47 (seven months ago) link

title track is ok but definitely sounds like a jennifer song

na (NA), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:50 (seven months ago) link

That PR blurb sure makes me miss Drag City’s writing!

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:10 (seven months ago) link

(It’s also “funny” how only Jennifer is quoted, lol)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:12 (seven months ago) link

to be clear i like jennifer's songs but there had been theorizing above that she is the one driving the new royal trux but nmh being less active, and this press release/new song seem to point that way

na (NA), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:19 (seven months ago) link

I don't have a problem with that tbh

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 17:21 (seven months ago) link

Haven’t listened to the new track yet; but I wouldn’t be surprised if Neil had less involvement in this LP than he did in, like, the first Weird War album.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:23 (seven months ago) link

If that is the case, I only have a problem with it inasmuch as it's being labeled a Royal Trux album. Like I'd be cool if they each guested on the other's albums but don't tease.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:27 (seven months ago) link

The new song kinda sounds like Trux-pastiche (like the other two). And the "coke mirror" aesthetic... I dunno.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:40 (seven months ago) link

Big Trux fan here. Got my pre-order goin. Y'all are right about Jen runnin the show.
I get the vibe Neil has custody of Live Trux and Jennifer has the studio end of it.
Jen was getting blasted drunk thru the last tour.
Really hope there's some Neil songwriting intelligence on the new LP

edges, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:24 (seven months ago) link

As tour cancellation announcements go, you could do worse than Royal Trux: "Jennifer is incredibly grateful that she will not be spending any time in jail, and in her own words, states: "Shit could definitely be worse." Rock'n'roll.

— Kevin Williams (@TribuneKevin) January 15, 2019

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:21 (seven months ago) link

What happened??

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:37 (seven months ago) link

Maybe I'm bad at googling today, but I can't find anything about a tour cancellation or what happened.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

this was posted on the Facebook Event page for the Philly show

"Due to some unresolved issues arising from a past arrest, Royal Trux will be rescheduling their North American Tour. Jennifer is incredibly grateful that she will not be spending any time in jail, and in her own words, states: "Shit could definitely be worse.”

She regrets that her inconvenience may affect the fans' and ticket buyers but is looking forward to the shows being rescheduled for later this Spring.

New dates will be announced shortly, tickets purchased in advance will be honored for the new dates."

circa1916, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:49 (seven months ago) link

Royal Trux postpone tour due to issues from a past arrest https://t.co/xiDwcO1qXq pic.twitter.com/5q9GTUaV40

— ALARM Magazine (@ALARMmag) January 15, 2019

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:01 (seven months ago) link

xps

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:02 (seven months ago) link

Thanks.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:28 (seven months ago) link

haha, this overall messiness and confusion in Truxland is very appropriate I guess.

tylerw, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:29 (seven months ago) link

It really is, I wish I was more excited about the new album, tbh. Nothing has really jumped out at me yet, it all def seems more fitting for Black Bananas or whatever.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:32 (seven months ago) link

I’m just here giving it all the side-eye... 👀

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:33 (seven months ago) link

In our current era of well organized, smoothly run heritage rock revivals I appreciate this confusing bit of chaos if I am bummed about the date getting moved.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:38 (seven months ago) link

ha this is actually convenient for me bc i had a conflict for the chicago show

na (NA), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:44 (seven months ago) link

don't even try to tell me what that announcement was-- i haven't had anything to do w/ it since june last year apart from some screaming yelling emails & txts

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) January 15, 2019

tylerw, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:58 (seven months ago) link

looool, this bodes well for the tour.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:08 (seven months ago) link

are they cleaned up? hag seems to have it together, idk as much about jen

GarugBand (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:28 (seven months ago) link

Hag's been clean for years afaik

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:29 (seven months ago) link

tbh a RTX w out controversy and shenanigans and arguments would not be a true RTX reunion

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:29 (seven months ago) link

I dunno, my p.o.v. is that this was probably not meant to work out

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:35 (seven months ago) link

yeah i thought the original royal trux breakup was because hagerty got clean and herrema didn't and he got sick of dealing with it, but that might be an oversimplification

na (NA), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:36 (seven months ago) link

Exactly - and it makes me wonder about some of the circumstances surrounding the reunion (and other things that aren't really my business).

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:41 (seven months ago) link

somebody needs money, duh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:45 (seven months ago) link

Well, yes - guess there was a sort of risk/benefit analysis involved.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:52 (seven months ago) link

i know it's real because i have done 3 records in 18 months for 3 different entities w/ 3 different groups & all either did not come out &/or were redone and i got paid in $$, identity theft & calumny-- such is the life of a natural heel, it's everything i'd hoped it could be

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) January 17, 2019

na (NA), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:47 (seven months ago) link

hmmmmmmmmmmm

na (NA), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:47 (seven months ago) link

love the use of the word calumny as opposed to libel or slander

GarugBand (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:52 (seven months ago) link

one of his many tweets that reads like it's responding to something specific but it's unclear what (he knows what's real?)

na (NA), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:54 (seven months ago) link

Suxx if true. Maybe should've hung w/Drag City.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:14 (seven months ago) link

(Unless DC is one of those "entities"... I don't know whether Neil & the Hex actually left DC, or just RTX.)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:16 (seven months ago) link

I feel bad for Fat Possum as they're probably going to feel the repercussions of all this.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:19 (seven months ago) link

investors jumping from windows

calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:18 (seven months ago) link

I've been thinking for a while I hope Neil didn't burn his bridges at Drag City. I don't think it'd be very easy to convince a label to put out Howling Hex records right now.

Mike Dixn, Friday, 18 January 2019 00:11 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfKblFXTh6s&feature=youtu.be

new video, with no neil (though not much jennifer either tbf)

na (NA), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:25 (six months ago) link

love it

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 January 2019 17:00 (six months ago) link

new MOJO has an awesome Trux feature with lots of infighting during and after the interview

whoa is me (stevie), Friday, 25 January 2019 18:08 (six months ago) link

Another new song... feelin' it even less than the others, TBH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NONE3HlzhkM

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:16 (six months ago) link

It all feels like such a weak facsimile of the late-'90s Trux concept.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:18 (six months ago) link

(plus, y'know, they're not very good songs)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:25 (six months ago) link

everyone probably loved Accelerator because 'Liar' has the greatest riff ever.

that riff is quite good but lame compared to "mouth breather" by the jesus lizard.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:53 (six months ago) link

"Mouth Breather" sounds like the "Dancing Days" riff, transmitted into 1990 Chicago via a scuzz-rock fax machine (this is not a value judgment, btw)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 21:31 (six months ago) link

I've been seeing promos of "White Stuff" all over social media for the past three weeks but I finally listened to the full song just now, and it don't sound bad to me at all

I'm down with "Every Day Swan" too

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:18 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

and mark this for following this dumb b.s. but they put out a record that i hadn't heard and still haven't heard and then lied and said I had approved it

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) February 22, 2019

he was tweeting other stuff that seemed related to the new album this morning

na (NA), Friday, 22 February 2019 15:38 (six months ago) link

"basically a debtors' prison situation" yeesh

tylerw, Friday, 22 February 2019 15:42 (six months ago) link

The “tour” is back on, new dates announced y’day... but who would buy tix now?

yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 15:43 (six months ago) link

dunno, literally the only place there's any indication of this stuff is hagerty's twitter! kind of surprised someone hasn't dug deeper into it (possible I've missed an article, not sure)

tylerw, Friday, 22 February 2019 15:47 (six months ago) link

haw

TOUR TALK..... best believe. pic.twitter.com/e4XLIYJtcm

— ROYAL TRUX (@realroyaltrux) February 22, 2019

(of course this is from last november)

tylerw, Friday, 22 February 2019 17:00 (six months ago) link

Wonder if he’s cool w/his email addy getting out there (remember in the ‘90s when it was something like “karlmar✧✧✧@a✧✧.c✧✧”?)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:14 (six months ago) link

(weird, that censorship was some ILX auto thing)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:15 (six months ago) link

neil hagerty has the weirdest range of interests of any 'celebrity' i can think of. just a strange dude.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:34 (six months ago) link

i mean for long stretches he seems almost painfully 'normie' and then he posts about some truly strange shit and you remember he was (is?) in royal trux.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:34 (six months ago) link

he's also incredibly online, which i would not have predicted had you asked me a decade or two ago.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:36 (six months ago) link

he seems like a chill guy who likes cool stuff

na (NA), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:37 (six months ago) link

that's another way to put it.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:38 (six months ago) link

i guess you might expect something edgier

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:39 (six months ago) link

he doesn't seem very chill about the economics of touring w/ trux, tbf

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:42 (six months ago) link

He’s a pretty intelligent dude. He’s written v good essays on a variety of general interest subjects (many of which collected in a book, “Public Works”).

yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:43 (six months ago) link

ooh, i hadn't known about that, thank you

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:43 (six months ago) link

Looks like the situation finally got a write-up/investigation:

https://www.stereogum.com/2033256/royal-trux-twitter-drama/wheres-the-beef/

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 23 February 2019 20:14 (five months ago) link

Now someone's spoken to Neil:

http://dustedmagazine.tumblr.com/post/183074880168/royal-trux-white-stuff-fat-possum

After tracking the record in June 2018, Hagerty split due to an unspecified disagreement. Herrema and a bundle of friends worked the tracks into their album versions — hence the Bitches Brew approach — and submitted the record to Fat Possum, along with assurance that Hagerty had approved.

He had not. And when contacted for comment said he still hasn’t heard any of the music from the record. He did, however, say that Fat Possum has handled the situation “the best they could,” and noted he was “overjoyed” not to be working with the band’s previous label.

[...]

“The operative vision for me on this was Sunset Boulevard and I tried not to end up in the pool” Hagerty said when asked about the record. “If she had just told me it was going to be a solo thing I would have been fine with it but the way they are trying to drag me back into it now is degenerate stuff.”

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 19:46 (five months ago) link

That's interesting. I really don't think I've ever heard anything particularly awful about Drag City. Wonder what that's all about.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 20:18 (five months ago) link

Yeah, me too...

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 20:21 (five months ago) link

This is "out there'. Gave it one listen and all i can say - as a longtime Trux fan --Summer Album! Instantly catchy.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 February 2019 17:30 (five months ago) link

yeah i don't hate this on first listen. as expected, it's way more in jennifer's aesthetic than neil's, lots of processing and overlapping vocals and lyrics about rock and roll. one weird thing i noticed is that there are almost no moments with neil singing without jennifer doubling his vocals. it makes me wonder if he was singing along with her guide vocals. unexpectedly "suburban junky lady" might be the best song on here.

i hated the kool keith song when i heard it as an advance single. i liked it more this time but it doesn't belong on a "royal trux" album. should've saved it for judgement night 2.

na (NA), Friday, 1 March 2019 20:01 (five months ago) link

Publicity photos of the duo (see above) were clearly photoshopped together;

lol

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 1 March 2019 21:30 (five months ago) link

I bought a ticket for the Toronto show late last year, and after it got postponed it was honoured for the new date, but who knows what'll happen. I have some doubts about their ability to make it across the border, haha.

In the meantime, I put up a few lesser-circulated live shows on a throwaway channel if anyone's interested, including this one, a Neil/Jen 'acoustic' esque set from 97 with a couple of rarities (Air!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_ubZRoN04

whitehallunity, Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:32 (five months ago) link

Thanks!

yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 15:31 (five months ago) link

xpost Excellent! Thanks ( and good luck with that Toronto show)!

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 March 2019 16:17 (five months ago) link

This new album sucks hard :(

yuh yuh (morrisp), Monday, 4 March 2019 21:38 (five months ago) link

whitehallunity -- that 1995 promotional film you posted on YT is awesome!

yuh yuh (morrisp), Monday, 4 March 2019 22:08 (five months ago) link

(Oh, haha, I've seen this before... it's the one where Neil sprays the phone!)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Monday, 4 March 2019 22:13 (five months ago) link

I don't even want to bother. "White Stuff" - give me a break already.

timellison, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 02:06 (five months ago) link

Yeah, it’s the pits. The last few tracks are passable, but I don’t think I’ll ever queue it up again.

A bad “Royal Trux” album — who thought we’d ever see it?

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 02:53 (five months ago) link

yeah, oof, it's not good. i almost wonder if neil getting all weird about it was partly due to his recognitiion that it isn't good and wanting to distance himself from it.

where's the link to the 1995 trux film?

has anyone ever watched the VHS what is royal trux? released by drag city in the early 1990s?

it's like a tour documentary slash very very flaky sci-fi thing. neil and jennifer in junkie phase.

https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/2/3/2/2/3/6/webimg/290328293_o.jpg

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:08 (five months ago) link

ok, of course, like everything else in the world, it's on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDo6aB_pXdk

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:10 (five months ago) link

hmm so should i not see them?

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:24 (five months ago) link

lol Petridish and all that, but that is a really good feature

Neil S, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:01 (five months ago) link

I'd watch the shit out of a Royal Trux biopic.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:26 (five months ago) link

a royal trux biopic that faithfully represented the band's history would be an extremely strange and upsetting movie

invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:35 (five months ago) link

Harmony Korine has already considered it (no citation needed).

pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:41 (five months ago) link

movie material vmic

invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:50 (five months ago) link

Wow they're really going to break up with every interview? This really is starting to feel like a stunt

space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:48 (five months ago) link

yeah, I was gonna say, surely I'm not the only person wondering if this isn't some publicity stunt at this point

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:45 (five months ago) link

this one is sorta poignant (not a word I'd ever expect to use regarding the Trux)

“The thing is, the dynamic between us is exactly the same. Neil is still the same person. I’m still the same person. We’re just smarter, and we have more experiences under our belt. It’s complicated, but it’s the same. … He’s one of my best friends.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jennifer-herrema-opens-gnarly-stupid-horrible-s-led-royal-truxs-unlikely-reconciliation-084842829.html?fbclid=IwAR3uXWQ75tatBptzt72NVxiBxucNgQulIzFDLqu61q0i2gU3E_Qy8_Xiy9M

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:48 (five months ago) link

When were these interviews conducted though?

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:04 (five months ago) link

Wondering that myself. As much as I don't doubt there's an element of performative promotion involved here, the Guardian interview is the only one where they've claimed to break up during the interview, no? Everything else just mentions that Neil seemed to have split during the recording, then been really distant and unengaged with the tour stuff.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:14 (five months ago) link

i probably said this on this thread but at one point someone compiled every interview royal trux ever did (before the reunion) into a PDF and i sent it to my kindle and read it like a book and it was fascinating seeing how their stories changed from interview to interview and to try and piece together the "truth" from the overlaps and contradictions

na (NA), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:29 (five months ago) link

(I thought the MOJO interview was them not having spoken in months and having a huge argument in the middle of it)

space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:42 (five months ago) link

I haven't read that MOJO one yet, thanks for the reminder.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:55 (five months ago) link

Neil tweeted this a couple hours ago:

these last real royal trux shows are truly happening and confirmed in the usa may/june, check local sources-- any press you see is coming from orange county/ newport beach, just a job to fuck me over by people w/ resources and 00% else

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) March 5, 2019

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:03 (five months ago) link

lol

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:09 (five months ago) link

the guardian article is decent, but both of the articles listed above overstate how central royal trux was to the 90s.. herrema as "the heroin chic icon" or whatever. trux ,even during their time on virgin, were as i recall a very niche phenomenon.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:09 (five months ago) link

The quotes (from both Neil & Jen) in the Guardian piece are great. (I just skimmed the rest, I already know their backstory.)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:55 (five months ago) link

The Yahoo article is indeed sorta poignant (and contains some useful info re: the Sweet Sixteen cover art: “actually a bunch of oatmeal, Tabasco sauce, and chocolate sauce”).

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:59 (five months ago) link

the guardian article is decent, but both of the articles listed above overstate how central royal trux was to the 90s.. herrema as "the heroin chic icon" or whatever. trux ,even during their time on virgin, were as i recall a very niche phenomenon.

I have no sales figures to back this up but I have always thought of them as a band whose audience was about 95% music critics.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:04 (five months ago) link

Trux were never exactly critical darlings (and the folks I knew who were heavily into the band were very far removed from the rockcrit scene).

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:22 (five months ago) link

This accumulation of Trouser Press entries basically captures the "bemused, distanced half-appreciation" that was typical of even the band's "positive" reviews: http://trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=royal_trux

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:28 (five months ago) link

Accelerator was well-received in the UK, it got press attention in the NME and elsewhere IIRC

Neil S, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:32 (five months ago) link

Good point, I’m coming at it from a U.S. perspective. (Didn’t Primal Scream pay tribute to that album somehow?)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:44 (five months ago) link

If this is a publicity stunt, it's working like a charm. This is the most ILX has ever discussed Royal Trux

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:50 (five months ago) link

accelerator was well-reviewed but by that point (turn of century) they were well consigned and probably resigned to being a minor indie phenomenon. the moment they had any buzz (and as noted, it was only ever a mild buzz, i remember even contemporaneous bands like urge overkill getting way more industry attention) was earlier, when they were signed to virgin.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:57 (five months ago) link

xp nah there were ~80 posts in the 9/4/2005 revive upthread :)

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:58 (five months ago) link

The recent Pavement vs. Royal Trux poll garnered tons of comments (and votes)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:06 (five months ago) link

(Trux lost, of course)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:07 (five months ago) link

Trux maybe peaked in terms of both mainstream and critical appeal w/Cats and Dogs, i remember a glowing review in Rolling Stone (during a time when that actually meant something). plus it was released at a peak era for alternative rock making more commercial waves, in the same month as Exile in Guyville, Saturation, Transmissions from the Satellite Heart, In on the Kill Taker, 14 Songs, and Souvlaki. I'd be willing to bet Trux sold less than any of them, and I actually doubt it was their biggest selling album, but I think they were at their most "respectable" during that moment.

omar little, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:20 (five months ago) link

...or in Drag City's words, Do you remember the summer of '93? Our brief stay in Camelot.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:27 (five months ago) link

i remember a glowing review in Rolling Stone

iirc that was SReynolds, who had already championed the previous couple/few records in the pages of Melody Maker.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:28 (five months ago) link

I believe it was Jim Greer who had championed them (& pre-hype Pavement) much earlier in the mainstream press, the zines were all over the early Drag City catalog.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:31 (five months ago) link

Cats & Dogs is a brilliant, brilliant record

my future think tank (stevie), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:15 (five months ago) link

"Alison Moyet, man." Graun interview worth it for that alone, but can't believe how bad the writing is at times, even resorting to the old "like x falling down a flight of stairs" cliche.

Position Position, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:29 (five months ago) link

Sativa ftw

ian, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:31 (five months ago) link

I'm on Team Neil, but he very well may "smoke too much weed" ;P

yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:53 (five months ago) link

I've listened to White Stuff a good bit since Friday and it's steadily growing on me. Honestly just happy to hear those sloppily-intertwined voices together again on some new songs.

InternationalWaters, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:58 (five months ago) link

funny, when I interviewed Neil via email for a PSF article back in 2015, I asked him about the 1990 tour when they were running drum loops behind live guitar/vox (as seen in the 'What Is Royal Trux' concert footage posted above), and he brought up Yaz as a reference point. Guess it had a bigger impact than I had assumed.

whitehallunity, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:52 (five months ago) link

I'm trying to listen to White Stuff again... the drumming is, like, really bad.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:49 (five months ago) link

The Trux concept c. "VOD" era was not supposed to extend to literally sounding like amateurish hair metal

yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:53 (five months ago) link

Podcast interview with Jennifer. She explains leaving Drag City and a bit of personal history:
http://vishkhanna.com/2019/03/06/ep-465-jennifer-herrema-of-royal-trux/

Mike Dixn, Thursday, 7 March 2019 12:24 (five months ago) link

On first listen through this sounds fine to me; it's neither as good as Veterans of Disorder or Electric Brick Wall but it sits comfortably between the two, and I 100% have time for that kind of album

space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:36 (five months ago) link

Amen

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:48 (five months ago) link

can't listen to that interview at work. what's the short version of her leaving drag city?

one thing notale about drag city is how much loyalty they seem to inspire. royal trux are exceptional in being long time or old time d.c. acts that have left the label not once but twice. cf. bill callahan and will oldham who have stuck with them for 25+ years despite surely getting lots of offers from bigger labels.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:26 (five months ago) link

*notable

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:26 (five months ago) link

Listening to the podcast now; Jennifer suggests that Drag City operates in some kind of groupthink fashion that was dragging them down (transcription is mine):

Neil and I have, like, all sorts of ideas[...] We don't want to be held down, we don't want to be told no, and we don't want to be on a label that's a collective mind. When we want to do something, we can't wait for the label to determine if everyone else wants to roll that way. We're autonomous, and always have been[...] They're the label, and we're the artist. It's more of a 'project' than a seriously functioning record label at this point.

She goes on to say that when she finally overcame her skepticism around streaming, and wanted Trux's stuff out there, she was frustrated by the politics around how Drag City was approaching it at the time.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:29 (five months ago) link

huh. honestly it's hard to imagine any label satisfying her desire to roll with whatever they want to do.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:31 (five months ago) link

"they"

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:31 (five months ago) link

"our 2020 album will only be released on CD-ROM"

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:32 (five months ago) link

The specific incident she mentions is that she is/was pro-streaming and DC kept pushing back for months and then finally they acquiesced and let Royal Trux/RTX/Black Bananas be available on streaming sites and within a day or two the entire Drag City catalog started being available as well.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:33 (five months ago) link

The way I heard/understood it, it was only after they had left the label, and their catalog was made available by Fat Possum, that all the DC stuff also came online (which was the "irony" of the situation).

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:35 (five months ago) link

Haha, I def like the accuracy of your take better than my 1/2 of one ear semi-listening take.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:40 (five months ago) link

omg interviewer seriously just asked about "'white stuff' in terms of racism" I'm dying

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:01 (five months ago) link

Podcast interviews conducted via telephone are t-h-e W-O-R-S-T

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:03 (five months ago) link

I don't know what the story is with Drag City; but when you consider that even Neil "noted he was 'overjoyed' not to be working with the band’s previous label" (per one of the interviews linked above) -- something definitely went bad there.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:06 (five months ago) link

is your ejaculate racist y/n?

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:12 (five months ago) link

I'm kinda glad I heard this after all the Neil/Jennifer drama and read some of the negative reviews, since it set my expectations to a point where I really kinda liked it. It's not great, but not the Black Bananas redux I kinda feared. I still don't like the Kool Keith track and a few others, but "Suburban Junky Lady", "Every Day Swan" and "Whopper Dave" give me what I like.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 13:11 (five months ago) link

I agree, it's definitely a better album than what I / we had been led to believe

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 21:09 (five months ago) link

I think it's great fun. And it still feels like RT except for the Kool Keith track but I'm gonna guess that was Jennifer H's call so I'll give her that one weird outlier.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 23:38 (five months ago) link

THE 1987 ROYAL TRUX PINK CASSETTE HAS BEEN FOUND AND RIPPED
http://tinyurl.com/rtx1987

Just making my rounds passing this out. If you know anyone who's interested in hearing this pass it along.

trux tracker (edges), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:00 (four months ago) link

/\ cassette rip credit goes to Concentric Circles on instagram
https://www.instagram.com/concentric_circles_/

trux tracker (edges), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:00 (four months ago) link

whoa

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:11 (four months ago) link

!

tylerw, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:43 (four months ago) link

Oh weird, vocal on "Gold Dust" almost sounds like Daniel Johnston. Wonder if this has been uploaded at the right speed. Can't really tell Neil and Jennifer apart! Nice find.

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:24 (four months ago) link

Pretty sure it's ripped at the right speed. There was a 30 second clip released a year ago by another tape owner that sounds the same.

This is before Jennifer came into her rough vocal style. Just a kid at that point

trux tracker (edges), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:42 (four months ago) link

Priceless!

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 16:04 (four months ago) link

Thanks for sharing the link to this demo; very cool.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:25 (four months ago) link

"Cut You Loose" and "Luminous Dolphin" sound like the same versions on Singles, Live, Unreleased -- yes?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:46 (four months ago) link

yes, and it seems like Bare Bones & Andersonville are the same as on the first LP.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:51 (four months ago) link

Just got to those (and agree).

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:56 (four months ago) link

This tape is really good... fills in the gaps without shattering any of the "mystique" (...we have White Stuff for that).

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:02 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

sounds like the NYC show has been canceled too

tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2019 16:44 (three months ago) link

Looks like the whole tour has been axed.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:45 (three months ago) link

Ugh. Shouldn't be terribly surprised, but...

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:51 (three months ago) link

Definitely not surprised. Purchased the tix figuring that this would be the most likely conclusion TBH.

Still love that record tho.

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:54 (three months ago) link

hey they should have announced the tour was cancelled last june sorry they lied

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) April 29, 2019

tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2019 19:19 (three months ago) link

Strange update. Facebook post by Jennifer

"So you wanna know....why? "TRUX BAND" Rehearsal ...waiting and on the hunt
few day ago
hit this cover in 15....obv liberties were took
"After the Fox" The Hollies / Peter Sellers"

https://www.stereogum.com/2041908/royal-trux-cancel-tour/news/

Permanent re-host of mp3: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aCaE-IRv7I6F_SnyCESMPQXKFY8pTQOb/view

trux tracker (edges), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:52 (three months ago) link

I'm going to divert my Trux tix money toward the Flipper show.

I couldn't make it too far past "Is it the same guitarist on the Black Bananas album?" but if you want to hear Jennifer Herrema interviewed by Greg Gutfeld, here you go
https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/04/03/royal-trux-black-bananas-with-jennifer-herrema/

Mike Dixn, Friday, 3 May 2019 23:53 (three months ago) link

remember when they produced that make-up album? in mass mind? that record rules

adam, Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:16 (three months ago) link

The interviewer there keeps the narrative about the '90s band's exemplary career path going. Who are we meant to compare them to, Motley Crue? There were tons of alternative aesthetic/indie bands who were in and out with major labels in the '90s; someone would have to explain to me how Royal Trux's arc was more admirable than another's

timellison, Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:40 (three months ago) link

someone once said (or maybe wrote) that the Royal Trux major label deal was the only one in history in which you sympathized more in the end with the major label than with the band

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:46 (three months ago) link

wrong

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:51 (three months ago) link

(as usual)

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:51 (three months ago) link

wrong as in somebody didn't actually say that? I just mean I read that quote in a zine or something many years ago and it stuck with me. afaik the band were paid to not record a third album for Virgin and were subsequently able to buy a big house. Obviously it's probably a little more complicated than that but if you have any insider knowledge please do share, I'm just going by what I'd always heard. Seems like they did OK, even as far as ending up right back where they started on Drag City

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 May 2019 21:08 (three months ago) link

Accelerator was the third album; Virgin declined it and Trux owned it under the deal, so were able to release it on DC.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Saturday, 4 May 2019 21:14 (three months ago) link

Re: how successful they were or weren't back in the day, looks like their top-sellers were:
Cats & Dogs - just north of 10K
Royal Trux and Thank You - a lil over 8K
Accelerator - around 6500

Everything else under 5K.

To put this in perspective, all the early Smog records sold 10-15K... most Jesus Lizard records sold between 20-40K...
Heck, Steven Jesse Bernstein's Prison sold 12K!

They were way more popular than Action Swingers and Helios Creed!

mr.raffles, Monday, 6 May 2019 04:29 (three months ago) link

What are those, like, first-week numbers?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 6 May 2019 13:51 (three months ago) link

nope.

Total US Soundscan.

mr.raffles, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 03:54 (three months ago) link

As of what date? You’re telling me Accelerator has only sold 6500 copies in 20 years?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:19 (three months ago) link

sounds about right

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:35 (three months ago) link

Wikipedia sez there are 4,360 Title IV colleges/universities in the U.S.; so only 1.5 copies has sold per college since '99?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:09 (three months ago) link

not shocking, theyre like the definition of a band that's talked and written about disproportionately to their actual # of fans

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:15 (three months ago) link

i too find those numbers astonishing. i bought cats & dogs new, so i guess I'm included in that number! crazy.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:19 (three months ago) link

How many copies has, like, Slanted & Enchanted sold?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:23 (three months ago) link

wikipedia says about S&E: As of 2007, the album has sold 150,000 copies.

sooo probably at least up to 200,000 by now? maybe more?

tylerw, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:30 (three months ago) link

As of 2015:

Studio albums/EPs:
Slanted and Enchanted (1992, did not chart; 2002 reissue No. 152): 292,000
Watery, Domestic EP (1992, did not chart): 38,000
Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994, No. 121): 357,000
Wowee Zowee (1995, No. 117): 179,000
Brighten the Corners (1997, No. 70): 190,000
Terror Twilight (1999, No. 95): 116,000

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:33 (three months ago) link

Compilations:
Westing (By Musket & Sextant) (1993, did not chart): 71,000
Quarantine the Past: The Best of Pavement (2010, No. 170): 30,000

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:34 (three months ago) link

source: https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/02/03/383507767/unfinished-business

(also includes Pixies & Sleater-Kinney)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:35 (three months ago) link

The numbers for those other bands are pretty much what I would have expected... it's startling to me that Trux's sales are so dramatically lower.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:46 (three months ago) link

I feel like Trux has always been way more niche than a lot of those other bands

think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:55 (three months ago) link

Surprised to hear they were outsold that much by early Smog

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:07 (three months ago) link

What's astonishing to me is that anyone who's ever actually heard a Royal Trux "song" could be surprised at their sales figures.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:11 (three months ago) link

haha i love em but yeah

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:14 (three months ago) link

Seriously, we're in "Why didn't Boredoms' Pop Tatari go platinum?!? They were on a major label!" territory here.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:55 (three months ago) link

Royal Trux was always incredibly niche yeah, i mean even compared to some others mentioned upthread like Jesus Lizard (who appeared on some soundtracks and who certainly had a name that people were familiar with). i think their personalities are so strong and their image is so potent that they feel bigger than they actually ever were.

omar little, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:04 (three months ago) link

I never said I thought they should go platinum. I said I'm surprised that their albums only sold btw. 5k-10k copies.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:08 (three months ago) link

Love hearing these kinds of stats. It is a surprise to me that Accelerator isn't the biggest selling Trux. The other surprise (welcome in my case)is that Slanted and Enchanted has comfortably outsold Wowee Zowee and most other later period Pavement records. I think this is for one reason. It is better.

Hinklepicker, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:15 (three months ago) link

My point was about their sales relative to early Smog. I would have assumed that Royal Trux had a higher media profile and visibility to what Bill Callahan was managing when he was putting out I Am Star Wars etc.

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:19 (three months ago) link

Does Soundscan track all sales? There may be indie store sales missing, which could be a decent additional percentage for Royal Trux but it’d be the same for other artists highlighted so all relative.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:20 (three months ago) link

Also mail order sales via Drag City (which is how I was buying DC product for a period, though I imagine it doesn't account for a massive % of sales)

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:26 (three months ago) link

And yes, I'm also surprised specifically that Bill Calla-who? outsells RTX

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:29 (three months ago) link

I'm amazed to see Bill Callahan is playing Edinburgh's Usher Hall this year, which holds 2,200.

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 22:14 (three months ago) link

Soundscan, like any sales tracking in this world, is imperfect.
That said, we're comparing their Soundscan to other band's Soundscan #s, so, it's illuminating even if just in relation.

(Pop Tatari scanned around 11k btw)

mr.raffles, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:15 (three months ago) link

For Pussy Galore related artists, they did way better than Action Swingers!
Decimation Blvd. sold less than 750.

(that record is p cuckoo - every song sounds exactly alike and they mostly start off in the exact same way)

mr.raffles, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:22 (three months ago) link

Please look up The Red Krayola’s Amor and Language (Drag City) and Run On’s Start Packing (Matador)

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:33 (three months ago) link

Haha, pretty sure I bought "Cats & Dogs" on cassette the week it came out, and to date it's the only Royal Trux I ever owned.

I saw a crazy Run On bill c. "Start Packing." It was Elliott Smith (solo) opening for Run On opening for Will Oldham (solo). I wonder how many records Palace, etc. has sold?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:53 (three months ago) link

I was just wondering about Palace, as a comparison point. I’m still flummoxed by those Trux numbers.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:56 (three months ago) link

It makes it all the more remarkable that Virgin signed them for a 3-album deal... their sales leading up to that were like a rounding error to a major label.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:58 (three months ago) link

How many copies of Bleach did Nirvana sell before they were signed to DGC?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:59 (three months ago) link

...and iirc, Nevermind initially shipped 50k (all without "Endless Nameless")

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 May 2019 06:01 (three months ago) link

I really don't think those Royal Trux numbers could possibly be correct.

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:06 (three months ago) link

where is sic when we need him? surely he would have input here

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:09 (three months ago) link

any truxters here ever tried decrypting the song arrangements of Kool Down Wheels or Yin Jim? I'm a big Infinitives nerd and those songs bog my mind. No clue if there's like an obscured structure behind the haze or if it's intentionally drunk.

trux tracker (edges), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:44 (three months ago) link

They are correct. Via Soundscan. Just US though, not international.

Amor and Language is just over 600.
Run On just over 1300.

Palace did 20-30K on their biggest, topping out at 29-32K with There Is No One... and Days In the Wake.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 00:03 (three months ago) link

Maybe it's real! it is really strange to scroll through a bunch of Royal Trux tracks on Youtube and see about 100 views. It is crazy to think about the roster of early Drag City! I mean I guess it's not crazy, lots of labels started obtuse and stayed obtuse and just never became what Drag City became I guess

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 00:30 (three months ago) link

So did sales of Palace and Pavement CDs effectively subsidize the cost of releasing stuff that only sold a few hundred copies?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 00:36 (three months ago) link

Man, I haven't thought about Decimation Boulevard in forever. That was indeed an interesting record.

timellison, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:08 (three months ago) link

I've brought this up on a few threads, but iirc it took 25 years for Never Mind the Bollocks to go platinum in the US. 25 years, for one of the most iconic, written-about bands and (major label!) albums of all time! I can only imagine what Big Star has sold, or Eno records, or the VU., or the Ramones, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:11 (three months ago) link

I don't really know how to type this in any tone that isn't an Eeyore voice but... I don't think that is what the future has in store for Royal Trux

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:28 (three months ago) link

Now I’m wondering how many copies were sold of the REALLY obscure-seeming records that I love.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 02:57 (three months ago) link

@morisp - ask!

So many of these records (Decimation Blvd. included) got played daily for months at the warehouse that I worked at back then that they all seemed like big hits to me. I hated a lot of them at the time, but now they're warm memories. haha Color me as surprised as anyone else with the low numbers!

Even Crunt (3.6K) was almost as popular as Royal Trux!
All those Didjits records back then sold 1-3K.
Looks like their popularity was most similar to Gastr Del Sol, who sold between 3-10K.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:59 (three months ago) link

oops - morrisp

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:00 (three months ago) link

Yeah it’s always fascinating to see sales figures for bands like this.

I think part of the thing that makes RT sales seem lower than you might think is how divisive they were/are. Like despite how much thy were written & talked about, even among the niche group of people who know them, doesn’t mean that they all actually them (& like them enough to buy records, at that)

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:10 (three months ago) link

*”they all actually like them”, that is

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:11 (three months ago) link

Mr. Raffles — how about:

Kissyfur, Frambuesa (Starlight Furniture Co., 1995)
Chevy Heston, S/T (Cherrydisc, 1994)
Lync, These Are Not Fall Colors (K Records, 1994)

Btw, were most small record stores truly participating in SoundScan by the mid-‘90s? Could there be a whole strata of mom & pop, college-town sales not being captured by these numbers? Just curious...

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 03:40 (three months ago) link

Other weird ones... Laughingstock looks like superstar sales compared to this, at +60K, while Bark Psychosis Hex sold 1/10th as well. Laughingstock even beat At Action Park by 10K... I'd bet that Shellac was in the lead there until at least the least 90s though. At least going by the record stores I was working at.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:46 (three months ago) link

"Btw, were most small record stores truly participating in SoundScan by the mid-‘90s? Could there be a whole strata of mom & pop, college-town sales not being captured by these numbers? Just curious..."

100%. Soundscan was only ever an approximation. Since not everybody reported, certain stores would be weighted differently in the hopes that would get things closer to the actual number. Again though, the numbers certainly tell a tale in relation to other artists.

Kissyfur - around 100
CH - over 150
Lync - 3500 or so

The Frogs - It's Only Right and Natural to Starjob all did 5-10K.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 04:10 (three months ago) link

So did sales of Palace and Pavement CDs effectively subsidize the cost of releasing stuff that only sold a few hundred copies?

yes! but the original idea as told to me by an early proto-Pavement band member was "they just want to sign bands they think are cool" (re: the two Dans) - so really they just lucked out with Pavement and later Palace.

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 10 May 2019 04:23 (three months ago) link

Someone said on another ILM thread that the 2 Dans were prescient in fostering artists who continue to make music today (Callahan, Jen Trux, Neil Trux, Malkmus, Oldham, Berman(?), Mantis (jk)...)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 May 2019 04:50 (three months ago) link

fwiw re Soundscan figures, this from an article from 1995:

Shalett makes one important concession: certain very small indie releases, albums that sell in the 15,000 to 20,000 range, might not get fairly counted in the system. "Something very, very street--like a rap record sold out of barbershops--we're not going to count fully, and we never will be able to." This may be why an album like Operation Ivy, from the Berkeley indie label Lookout (the original home of Green Day), has sold, according to Lookout's Molly Neuman, 100,000 copies over the last four years, while SoundScan has it down for only 5,000. Tiny labels that sell a disproportionate number of vinyl records, that don't use bar codes, or that do business by mail order escape SoundScan's radar as well.

also Never Mind The Bollocks took 15 years to go platinum not 25

Colonel Poo, Friday, 10 May 2019 07:15 (three months ago) link

from a UK perspective i saw royal trux play a little while after cats and dogs came out and they half filled the upstairs room in a pub

At the same time fugazi or pavement could fill the local 850 capacity venue. thee headcoats, make up, jsbx or lois maffeo could fill the pub room i saw royal trux in. palace brothers on their first uk tour probably 2/3 filled a similar room

royal trux stunk when i saw them live. i don't mean they played bad i mean they literally smelled like they hadn't bathed for a month

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 10 May 2019 08:39 (three months ago) link

xpost 15 years, 25 years ... it took a while!

I wonder how stuff like, say, Labradford sold on Kranky? I assume Deerhunter is their top-seller? What does/did a band like Low sell?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 11:44 (three months ago) link

This news simultaneously makes no sense and makes total sense (inasmuch as I don't know anyone irl who likes or listens to Trux who didn't have the band foisted upon them by me).

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 11:49 (three months ago) link

(And I was under the mistaken impression that they were terrible for quite a long time.)

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 11:52 (three months ago) link

royal trux stunk when i saw them live. i don't mean they played bad i mean they literally smelled like they hadn't bathed for a month

LOL

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 12:30 (three months ago) link

I saw Trux fill good-sized clubs.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:34 (three months ago) link

Of all the bands of that era, Trux are the one I currently like the least. I honestly think my wearing-out on them was this seemingly arbitrary canonization of Twin Infinitives, which is a bad, bad, bad album. Maybe the worst album. It’s the aural equivalent of Harmony Korine making Gummo, and while Gummo was being edited, Harmony turned on a camcorder and spent a week kicking it around the parking lot of the editing suite, and called the resultant footage “More Gummo”

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:10 (three months ago) link

Never understood the Twin Infinitives pedestal. Pretty much everything they released subsequently blows it clear out of the water.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:11 (three months ago) link

Or at least from Cats and Dogs on. Not crazy about the second s/t, either, myself.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:13 (three months ago) link

I saw Trux fill good-sized clubs.

In New York, Chicago, San Francisco or L.A.?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:22 (three months ago) link

Yes, two of those cities.

I don’t get the “Gummo” comparison at all...

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:34 (three months ago) link

idk I've felt like Gummo and early Royal Trux share an aesthetic thesis is all

twink infinitives (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:19 (three months ago) link

I saw Pavement with Royal Trux in a (sold-out) 600-ish(?) capacity club at the height of both bands' live popularity (Wowee-Zowee/Brighten The Corners + Thank You/Sweet Sixteen):

https://i.imgur.com/Xzfqw22.jpg

You could move around pretty freely during the show, I took some great pics of Jen/Neil that I can't find anymore. It was about 90F+ in the club and Jen was wearing a puffy Raiders snow parka with matching Raiders snow beanie with a big pom-pom on top.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:26 (three months ago) link

Not sure how to account for my fondness for Twin Infinitives. It’s certainly unique. I like it sonically.

timellison, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:21 (three months ago) link

yeah I'm a fan as well, there are some good tunes in there (i.e. side 4, and 'Chances Are The Comets') and as you note the sound is unique

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:25 (three months ago) link

I also think Twin Infinitives is a cool/unique album... and I'm particularly fond of the posthumous Trux release Hand of Glory, which draws from the same recordings.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 18:11 (three months ago) link

heyyyy i was at the hollywood palace pavement / trux show. fun times. wasn't really familiar with royal trux and they were scary!

tylerw, Friday, 10 May 2019 18:19 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Pink x Trux

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:39 (three weeks ago) link

After several listens, "White Stuff" has gone from 'surprisingly decent comeback album' to 'top 5 material'

The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 18:48 (three weeks ago) link

xp Pretty "funny" how the promo shot is just Jessica & AP.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 19:35 (three weeks ago) link

Also, I admit that White Stuff is somewhat better than I initially took it to be... It's still a self-derivative retread with thin songwriting, but other "reunited" bands have done worse, I guess.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 20:09 (three weeks ago) link


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