ALSO - what about harmelodics - who needs that as a justification for playing watchawant whenyawant ?
Accelerator - I think everyone loved it cause it wasn't total shite like the previous albums
― Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
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Bill
― Bill, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Mark, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
RTX will never be classic, but it certainly isn't dud. It's one of these cult footnotes in rockunroll history. Certainly not compulsory listening, but definitely worth investigating if hard drugs, dirty hair and space boogie usually interest you. Although I have "TI", "C&D" and weird live stuff, I confess I seldom listen to them. I mostly play their recent stuff, with "Thank You" remaining their highlight. Along with the now much-scorned "Give out but don't give up" by the Scream Team 94, "Thank You" is one of my alltime fave pastiche records, a proper pop record by a duo of brilliant songwriters who rarely before had released songs as straightforward. I think it's a good thing when a band reknowned for its "difficult listening material" comes out with a set of proper tunes with hooks and a high level of "hummability". The opening cut, "A Night To Remember", is in my mind comparable to such songs as the Stones' "Rocks Off!", the aforementioned Scream's "Jailbird" and "Rocks", Suede's "Metal Mickey" or Bowie's "Watch that Man". You know, songs you play before going out (a category of songs I love, I'll post a thread about that). And that's how I like my RTX: fast rockunroll with a blond cat on a hot tin roof's raspy growl telling me I'm gonna lose.
And if your girlfriend finds your Scruffy Jenny obsession suspicious and/or maddening, then she is not a woman for you, mate.
― Mr Herrema, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
My favorite moment of theirs is from that video of theirs where Jennifer acts sexy and semi-flashes the audience. It made no sense at all, it was the visual equivalent of "Pick 'em and Flick 'em" by the Melvins. *BOUM...BOUMMMMMMM...wheedlewheedlewheedle* Er, anyway.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Omar, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― james edmund L, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Omar, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Mark, Sunday, 30 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― joel, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta, Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 24 January 2003 00:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― harman, Friday, 24 January 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
I like it lots => pretty! Bunch of skeletal fragments put together to make into an incredibly coherent mess of a record.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link
If you arent feeling a certain album of theirs, there will be a point in your life when you will.
I think they are the only band who's catalog I've completly sold off...only to buy it back later.
CATS and DOGS OWNZ.
― ddb, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Did RTX create much of an impact in Britain? I really have no idea. It seems to me that most of their references and signifiers, not to mention their evocations, would be lost on a British audience. Or if RTX did in fact make an impression in the UK, I have a strong feeling that they were received and understood as far more exotic and inscrutable (or pretentious, if you like) than they actually were.
Anyway, at this stage I'm more convinced than ever that RTX were among the greatest bands in rock & roll history, and are gradually being recognized as such.
― kjoerup, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
More art, less rock thx!
When 'accelerator' came out I remember a 'wow they are back!'-type reaction from the press at the time, people seemed to be glad.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― a, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
Thank You is terrible, though.
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
(ok, wolf eyes or some shit, but then who cares?)
― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Editorial ReviewsAmazon.comAfter four (mostly unexceptional) releases on Chicago's hipper-than-thou indie Drag City, Haggerty and Herrema moved on up to Virgin in 1995, becoming label mates with what's left of their heroes, the Rolling Stones. Some might have considered the David Briggs-produced Thank You a sell-out, but it was as weird, sloppy, and attitudinal as ever. Only this time, there were bona fide pop songs that stuck in your craw, indicating for the first time that the Truckers might be more than just another Lower East Side art-rock rip-off. Sweet Sixteen is even better. To the extent that I care or can be bothered to decipher 'em, the lyrics tackle the same old concerns: sex, drugs, and rock & roll in-jokes. It's the musical settings that matter. Haggerty and lovingly reconstruct every '70s sound they ever smoked a bong or nodded off to: Sly Stone-style funk ("The Pick-Up"), Allman Brothers twin guitars meet prog-rock synths ("Don't Try to Hard"), stoner country-blues-jugband shuffling ("Roswell Seeds & Stems"), and even ultra-ironic Abbey Road-era Beatlemana ("Can't Have It Both Ways"). Of course, Redd Kross and Jellyfish/Imperial Drag (to name but two) have been building winning pop from this junkyard wreckage for quite some time now. But while the members of Royal Trux are coming to the party late, they're arriving with their arms full of treats.Jim Derogatis
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
i like "sweet 16" but i don't really know which one i like best. i used to listen to that singles comp (well, maybe 1/3 of it) all the time, but i don't think that one qualifies.
― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― russignonald's, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link
It's a hard one.
― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vic Funk, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link
What is Royal Trux?
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Song titles and a word or two on the tracks from the Howling Hex site:
"Now, We're Gonna Sing": Start out with a straightforward introduction to the people...
"Instilled With Mem'ry": Try to forget that name and date...
"Pair Back Up Mass With": Self delusion before action...
"Activity Risks": Committee in the brain disagree...
"To His Own Front Door": In and pulled out by the outside...
"What, Man? Who Are You?!": The final confrontation of mistaken identity...
"Cast Aside The False": Ghost of JonBenet Ramsey surveys the battlefield...
"Soft Enfolding Spreads": A final objection and farewell...
― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link
This is my most anticipated release of the year.
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― jon dale, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link
DC has it listed as LP/CD in there news section, so I guess we'll have to wait a few more weeks to find out. But most DC stuff comes out on vinyl, as you said, and it would just strike me as odd that someone would put out three vinyl only albums, then make the next proper record CD only. I mean, DC has concrete proof people will buy Howling Hex vinyl.
― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm listening to Veterans of Disorder at this moment and I'm fucking sad that I only saw 'em live one time ('97, the Bug Jar in Rochester, NY).
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link
(I heard that song used once over a sports highlight reel)
― Huk-L, Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 4 April 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link
best rock band ever
― Aaron A., Monday, 4 April 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
On their sixth underproduced album and second major-label release (yet another indie band signed in Nirvana's wake), singer Jennifer Herrema works hard at sounding trashy, slurring lyrics in a raspy tone a la Nazareth. She hisses ultranasty lines like "Sweet 16 and never been clean" alongside guitarist and vocalist Neil Hagerty's own thin warble. Indulgent wah-wah guitar solos bump into disjointed drum beats.
Every song on Sweet Sixteen eventually lapses into a meandering mess, even on tunes where the Trux attempt to mimic Zeppelin's repetitive rhythms or the Allman Brothers' jams. Instead of respecting the music they bastardize, the Trux treat it as low art, approaching '70s rock like a cocky adult playing a kids' game. By mid-album, you begin to wish Lynyrd Skynyrd had crashed this recording session and kicked the Trux's pretentious asses into some sort of cohesive groove. (RS 757)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 4 April 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link
And it's not like it got better after that either.
How in the world is that record better than Thank You or Cats and Dogs? The songs aren't as good and it's more of a fucking mess. I like messes, but they'd already made messes with GREAT records like Twin Infinitives. Their trajectory at the time was that they were getting tighter -- from the third album to Cats and Dogs to Thank You. Then, all of a sudden they stopped. Why? I really don't understand what the point of that album was (and the psuedo-cryptic stuff about "it's our seventies album in our sixties/seventies/eighties album trilogy" seemed like a bunch of gibberish).
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
I spent a good three years under the heavy sway of the trux. Twin Infinitives, s/t, Cats and Dogs and Thank You pulled me out of the grunge tarpit and made me ditch most of my AmRep records. That bluesy, classik rok swagger, that mystical druggy miasma, those voices. So fucking cool. I interviewed Hagerty around the time Thank You came out. It was great. He talked about the house they just bought in Virginia. How he hung bells on all the bushes on the property.
I have to admit, my exposure to their later albums is minimal. I'm going to have to rectify that.
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link
I first saw them in 92 or 3 opening for mudhoney and was all - what exactly is going on here? Needless to say, I've been a devotee ever since.
My point: pound for pound = best album. Where's the love, people?
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes. It's cosmic. Check it out. Check out it's cosmicness. Particularly deep country sorcerer. That song, in me, inspires awe and fear. Also this album has Dan Brown, which is a major plus. He is a ++ bassist and catcher. Small thief and sunshine and grease are so open and tender, platinum tips is titillating, call out the loins is triumphant; the whole album sounds like it was recorded really loud. It sounds good.
Because my geekiness has been peaked, I will now list their releases in order of greatness - eps, singles and (because I haven't heard them) the 3 NMH limited edition lps are excluded. Solo and collaborative works are included:
Pound for PoundRoyal Trux (3rd Album)Cats & DogsVeterans of DisorderThank YouNeil Michael Hagerty - The Howling HexSweet SixteenAcceleratorNeil Michael Hagerty - Plays That Good Old Rock n RollSingles, Live Unreleased (great songs, but the sequencing, ugh)Royal Trux (1st Album)Twin InfinitivesA Drag City Supersession - Tramps Traitors and Little DevilsNeil Michael Hagerty - Neil Michael HagertyThe Howling Hex - All-Night FoxWeird War - Weird WarRTX - TransmaniaconThe Drag City HourHand of Glory
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― The King's English (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― The King's English (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link
By the way, the label on the Introducing... record states that it is okay to digitally copy and distribute the album. I assume that the same permission is granted for the whole series.
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
Law manyou know you look to be a lot younger than me andI'd hate to shoot a babyyou've got a long way to go before you're old and slowand it could beit could be a good time if you change your mindwell I'm tired and sweet from making loveand it's just too lateyou'll have to waitbring your business around here in the morning
well I've heard your lineand you've heard mineand I'm just too tired to take a sidebring your business around here in the morningDon't you want to be easy look therelet some of the things you see go on by oryou can burn them into your brain go on homeDon't you see the children, they're just like youthey want everything to be fine but they let it slideand the laughing lets you know that smiling breaks the rules
Law breaker you know it could be meand if you had your way we'd all be downunder the face of a clock that's just too old to be woundand you can see now the old hands won't move aroundone way or the other,fool card brother this could be,this could be, the first time.
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
Does anyone have the 3rd one?
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link
1. "I'm Ready" - opening credits. As soon as the song abruptly explodes into existence, our hero is shown sitting straight up in bed in shock, facing the camera. As the song and credits continue, a sped-up montage shows him brushing his teeth, getting dressed, eating breakfast, walking out the front door, looking for a few seconds at an abused, dented dune buggy that sits in the family garage (foreshadowing), and riding his bike to school.2. "Yellow Kid" - Hero sits mournfully in bathroom stall, having just been confronted by school bullies for being the "weird new kid" in front of an attractive young girl. He slams the bathroom wall with his fist in desperation. He IS the eponymous "Yellow Kid."3. "The Banana Question" - Having gotten news that dune buggy racing is the hot teen activity in his new town, our hero decides to fix up his brother's old dune buggy, despite the fact that his brother was killed in a freak dune buggy accident. Another montage sequence ensues as he tightens bolts, polishes roll bars, gets squirted with oil, etc. Good wholesome teenage fun.4. "Another Year" - Plays behind slo-mo footage of the race, the camera whips around often so the footage is blurred and chaotic. Sand flies as the buggies leap over the dunes, hanging suspended in the air. Our hero thinks he has a grasp on first place, but in an accident eerily close to the one that killed his brother, he spins out and collides with a palm tree.5. "Juicy Juice" - Our hero, his arm now in a cast, has given up on dune buggy racing, has resigned himself to being unpopular for the rest of high school, and has taken a job working at an ice cream store in a mall. But who should walk in but the attractive girl from his school! As the camera slowly pans over her nubile young body, this song plays.6. "Liar" - Our hero is confronted by his parents, who are angry that he has been racing and are afraid that he will be killed like his brother. But our hero is starting to regain his confidence and needs a way to impress the girl, so he rebels and says he will race in the state championship that weekend, and there's nothing they can do about it. Doors are slammed, tears are shed.7. "New Bones" - Our hero and the girl have quickly fallen in love, he has confessed his fears of ever racing his dune buggy again, but she convinces him that he needs to race, and win, to honor his brother's memory. They kiss shyly, then passionately. Then they get really high on mushrooms and screw. This controversial scene earns "Accelerator" an NC-17 rating.8. "Follow the Winner" - The climactic race. Spurred on by new love and his fresh lack of virginity, our hero has grown into a virile, manly specimen who intimidates the other racers with his masculine charm, making this an easy win for him. The lesson learned: Dune buggy racing is a sport of confidence and mind games, not to be trifled with by the weak.9. "Stevie" - Following the award ceremony, the girl and the hero jump into the dune buggy and ride off into the sunset. Closing credits.
― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
They kiss shyly, then passionately. Then they get really high on mushrooms and screw.
Then add maybe: an apocalyptic meteor shower, return to cave-living, mutant politicians and a talking cat. Um, scuba diving, pirates, helpful dolphins, skate boarding with a sail attached to it across the desert, jesus freaks and Vermont.
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link
The Return of the Third Tower:http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19LHLBAHGED2U08QV8UKI6AM55
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 26 August 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ranking Rupert (Ranking Rupert), Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link
To me, Historia de la Musica Rock is like a Godz 2 kind of awesomeness!
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link
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― latebloomer: snakes, snails, and puppydog tails (latebloomer), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link
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― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link
A Night To RememberMorphic ResidentPlatinum TipsFirebase RipcordSmall TheifSecond SkinLaw ManLiarChicago CharlemagneShockwave RiderRay O VacDeep Country SorcererTexas Dogleg(Have You Met) Horror JamesSome People Are CrazyBack to SchoolSigned, ConfusedThe FlagMap Of The CityYo Se
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
the most kick ass rock record ever. the 80s entry in the production trilogy. i have no idea how someone could not love this record. don't be a liar
― resuscitated hanged man, Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lion-O (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.toliveandshaveinla.com/flemmas/vonbg.jpg
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link
And I didn't expect that from them and wondered why it happened. Every time they put out a record for a long time, it was something new.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link
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― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link
yes, just like the beatles.
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Veterans of DisorderSweet SixteenTwin InfinitivesSingles Live UnreleasedThank YouAcceleratorPound For PoundCats and DogsRoyal Trux (1992)Hand of GloryRoyal Trux (1988)
and I really like RTX 1988!
― gear (gear), Saturday, 15 October 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link
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― gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.rtxarchive.com/archive/articles/wire199.html
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 22 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 22 October 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link
can anyone send me those Drag City Supersessions tracks? i've been looking for those for ages!
― jointchief, Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― god body, Monday, 14 November 2005 09:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 14 November 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link
---I don't think it, you work it out
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
What's great is the short tape they released to promote Thank You. It's them hanging out at the house in Virginia making coffee!
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link
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― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 18 November 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link
that doesn't sound healthy. unless he thinks JSBX are so unabashedly atrocious and soul-less (which they are) that you've "got to love them" for wearing their inanity on their sleeve instead of hiding behind "art".
― jointchief, Sunday, 20 November 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link
isn't there a part where they get chased by government dudes in Nixon masks?
― jointchief, Sunday, 20 November 2005 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link
They're my favorite band, and I saw it once about five years ago, and have never had the desire to see it again.
it makes hagerty's tv show pilot look like What's Happenin' in comparison.
― roj, Sunday, 20 November 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 21 November 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link
-- n/a (nu...), August 25th, 2005 8:35 AM. (Nick A.)
Just have to comment that this is one of the greatest things ever written!
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Will (will), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― come to seee mom, Friday, 28 April 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
Trux doing station IDs. !
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link
ohmigod
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
LOLOLOLOL
― n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
i didn't realize crispin glover was in RTX
― n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
lolll
― sleep, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link
this is pretty lolwtf too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HM_0xuB-Ps&feature=related
― n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
plz excuse the name dropping here but this is really rather remarkable to me
i went over to my old friend andys who i never see cause hes always on tour w/some band or another the other nite after tripping balls at the boredoms and he showed me that last howling hex album cover was a photo of one of his tattoos and he wrote one of the songs
its far out as we were both totly obsessed w/royal trux in high school
anyway i made him sign one for me
http://i27.tinypic.com/14ty36h.jpg
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
rtxarchive.com is no longer :/
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
That's sweet, jho! <3
Those station IDs -- most layabout band ever?! They're draped on that furniture like melted cheese.
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
the eye <3 joe is a reference to my high school band eye love fun - california speedway was his band
http://i31.tinypic.com/f4phcn.jpg
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link
i was in a band called debaser!
― mizzell, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link
so this is "magic andy" right? doesn't he have funny stories about hanging out with sting's son? did you also know sting's son?
― mizzell, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yes and yes
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
i was unaware that "magic andy" was a real thing tho lol
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link
most layabout band ever?! They're draped on that furniture like melted cheese.
http://i28.tinypic.com/2qa60e9.jpg
neil haggerty lying ona floor
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
wow
― winston, Thursday, 3 April 2008 01:52 (sixteen years ago) link
that live clip is pretty sweet
― winston, Thursday, 3 April 2008 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link
way better than the studio version but maybe because of all the cyberflegm
In school I thought these guys were like supernatural heroes and their music magical filth. I don't think my perception has changed a whole lot. Can't stop listening to Veteran's of Destruction today, but Pound For Pound is the one I got first so the one that still makes me giddy.
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Disorder
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Sickazz Dog is Kickazz tho!!
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I just got the new TK Webb album and playing it made me want to pull out some Trux. I just listened to Pound for Pound. I pulled out Thank You as well.
― QuantumNoise, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link
SMALL THIEF THEN!
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Veterans might be my favourite record by them, though lately i'm listening to "singles live unreleased" and it's awesome. don't like pound so much i must say
― Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I never really like Veterans before but it's really kicking my ass today
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
it's their most accessible after Thank You, but it works fine.
― Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Still, I don't remember Sickazz Dog being so weird! Who else actually sounds like this?
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Holy Shit! What is this?
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
how is the Radio Video EP btw?
― Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link
i don;t know but i want it xpost
― Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
its a comic book, I've thumbed through it. It has a lot of um, rambling word balloons about art theory from what I recall, pretty boring actually.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
That sounds so great!
tbh I'm nowhere near complete on this band. Largely due to me falling in love with them as a fifteen year old far far far from good record shops. It took about two months for my local to order accelerator for me, and I've never heard a note of Sweet Sixteen (why I was on amazon just there)
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
In my head Sweet Sixteen sounds so amazing by the way!
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
If I could record that album, oh man!
"This giant 64 page comic features the crazed adventures of Royal Trux. "Like night janitors in the Temple of the Most High, they carouse through the psychic refuse of an unsuspecting nation. Whether playing rock and roll or fighting for justice in the realm of the unseen, they are known by one name: Royal Trux."
― Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link
awesome!
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i think ive got that comic kicking around somewhere
― ice crӕm, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:14 (fifteen years ago) link
scan please?
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:14 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71M5HNFTNQL._SL500_AA240_.gif
what about that sf book by hagerty?
― Zeno, Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Also Lick My Boots
― I know, right?, Saturday, 23 August 2008 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
xp whoa!! what is that?
― winston, Saturday, 23 August 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Touch & Go is going to be letting all the Royal Trux action out of print.
― ian, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link
shit i'm still hoping for a sweet sixteen reissue >: (
that's major label though so nm
― omar little, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link
touch n go? you mean drag city?
― mizzell, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, drag city, my bad.we got the e-mail from T&G cuz that's who we get our DC stock from.
― ian, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link
is that a fucking question
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
!! glad I got the good shit already then
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks for the heads-up ian, just snagged the radio/video 12"!
― 69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
i have have 'Accelerator' and i absolutely hate it. I imagine i'm a little too young to have got this band, coupled with a bunch of hyperbole regarding their preceding me actually hearing them. I do have the track 'the spectre' on a comp somewhere tho which i absolutely adore. Which direction do i head to hear more like that?
― siskin/skulls, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
thank you and cats and dogs are less cranked-up than accelerator, and "the spectre" comes from C&D
― 69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
but dude really no love for accel?
― 69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
craziness
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 October 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
accel was the first RTX i ever heard, and it was super-immediate, and still is my favorite. probably it goes like this for me:
accelthank youveteranspound for poundsingles boxsweet 16 (tied w) cats and dogsroyal truxuntitledtwin infhand of glory
― 69, Thursday, 23 October 2008 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
tbh accelerator, while good, is not top tier trux IMHO
― ian, Thursday, 23 October 2008 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
69's list is probably about how i would rank them
― metametadata (n/a), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link
not me - I'm not really into Thank You (BASS SOLO! = urgh no plz), the sound of it is just too clean n thumpy. which is weird coming from David Briggs. Accelerator is good. My favorites are actually Veterans and Pound for Pound.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, if i'm going to get all ILM about it, my rank would actually be like:
accelveterans (tied w) pound for pound (these albums kind of bleed together for me due to getting them at the same time)thank yousingles boxsweet 16cats and dogstwin infroyal truxuntitledhand of glory
― metametadata (n/a), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
shit I was pretty much going to post the same list
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link
accelerator not being top tier trux is kinda madness,but since they have such a varied sound I can understand clinging to one rather than anotherwhich is pretty much what I did I think
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Cats & DogsThank Youfirst s/tVeteranstwin infinitives.
the rest move around, but that top 5 seems pretty constant for me.
― ian, Friday, 24 October 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Singles for me, then C&D, then TI, then the rest. Don't really like the rawk action records all that much.
― sleeve, Friday, 24 October 2008 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link
choosing the singles is cheating! that's like 2 and a half hours long!
― ian, Friday, 24 October 2008 02:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmm, one of these bands I've been wanting to check out for so long and now it seems time is running out... Could somebody break down their different phases/sounds?
― baaderonixx, Friday, 24 October 2008 07:32 (fifteen years ago) link
No love for pound for pound?
― I know, right?, Friday, 24 October 2008 08:04 (fifteen years ago) link
New RTX album JJ Got Live At RaTX is out soon. It's not much different to the rest of their stuff, but it's y'know, it's RTX.
― the next grozart, Friday, 24 October 2008 08:39 (fifteen years ago) link
This is pretty schematic, Baaderonix, but this is how I view their evolution:
Early Trux: very lo-fi, similar to Pussy Galore.
Thank You: more classic rock sounding, think Exile on Main Street.
Accelerator: like Thank You, but more so. Beefed up sound, with a lot of repetition.
Post-Accelerator: back to the Thanks You sound, with more rambling jams than the focus of Accelerator. Admittedly I haven't heard their last record.
Accelerator is my fave, but the others I've heard all have loads going for them too.
― Neil S, Friday, 24 October 2008 09:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks!
― baaderonixx, Friday, 24 October 2008 09:21 (fifteen years ago) link
― the next grozart, Friday, October 24, 2008 3:39 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it came out this week ... waiting for drag city to get my vinyl copy to me
― metametadata (n/a), Friday, 24 October 2008 12:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't think trux sound much like pussy galore, except for maybe neil's odd song ('walk' off corpse love). i'm not crazy about acclerator either - its brash and winningly 'pop', but i miss the languid slithering mush of Cats & Dogs/Dogs Of Love era, and the gonzoid excesses of Sweet Sixteen.
― MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Friday, 24 October 2008 13:17 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't know how this relates to the above but dc are reissuing the first two trux lps come january.
i say pound for pound and thank you for top trux. radio video's great, too, and the liar single with phenomenal dire straits cover. it always kills me how great the musicianship is, considering they've a rep for messy, hastily arranged records.
― schlump, Friday, 24 October 2008 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, Hagerty is a great guitarist. I'd like to put a word in for the 3 Song EP as well, which features the excellently named "The United States vs One 1974 Cadillac El Dorado Sedan".
― Neil S, Friday, 24 October 2008 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link
oh holy crap that song is COLOSSAL. "faaaaamous laaaaand of nod!"
― MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Friday, 24 October 2008 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link
how apocryphal are most of the stories surrounding TRUX and drugs?
weird how addictive this band can be
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
accelerator's probably my fav, it was my perfect intro to their little world.
yeah i think i bought all of their albums within a one-year period
― metametadata (n/a), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
i've said it before, but 'back to school' off dogs of love ep is just wonderful.
― MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
the first time I heard the trux I had a panic attack
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 24 October 2008 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
i was like OH MAN WHAT IS THIS MUSIC???
plus I was in a car where the dude who was driving was on a ton of speed and I didn't even realize it until we hit the highway
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 24 October 2008 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
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― metametadata (n/a), Friday, October 24, 2008 7:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
so so true
― 69, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
oh also that panic attack thing is true in the best way abt accelerator, esp on 45rpm
I would go for:Three song ep.SinglesAcceleratorThank YouUntitled? (has Junkie nurse on it)Vetrans of Disorder
All of these are great not sure about the rest. When I got that 3 song ep I played it all the time. The Singles box set and Accelerator were the early phase of my relationship, the part where you have sex every day and every single moment is grand but the Three song ep was when I truly fell in love.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 24 October 2008 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link
god damn this thing on the Drag City Hour compilation, I had no idea. twenty-two minute freakout, full sonics, glorious '92-vintage shit. The tune is called "Fairy Godmother" and I always thought it was just some stray comp track but WHOAH.
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 August 2009 07:54 (fourteen years ago) link
is it on the 3cd comp from a few years back? i think i want to hear this!
― like i'm the fucking orange juice man (stevie), Thursday, 13 August 2009 09:01 (fourteen years ago) link
no, it isn't! that's why I tracked it down. It is described in the liner notes as a "chimp opera". the CD is sequenced as one long track which is a drag, but I chopped it out.
― sleeve, Friday, 14 August 2009 07:14 (fourteen years ago) link
why es eye?
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 14 August 2009 07:23 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^^OTM
― She's big on the mental illness scene (stevie), Friday, 14 August 2009 07:30 (fourteen years ago) link
AOK
Leonardo Music Journal -- Awesome!!
― sleeve, Friday, 14 August 2009 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
you, sleeve, are a star...
― She's big on the mental illness scene (stevie), Saturday, 15 August 2009 10:27 (fourteen years ago) link
why are a number of their albums OOP? i thought drag city kept everything in print? maybe the artistes have reclaimed the rights? deluxxxe reissues in the works? hmmm..
― amateurist, Saturday, 15 August 2009 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
thank u & sweet 16 released by virgin
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 15 August 2009 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, but there are some originally on drag city that are also OOP, like accelerator.
― amateurist, Saturday, 15 August 2009 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously? i'm sure the domino pressings are still in print though...
― 'dude, hydroponic uterus' (stevie), Saturday, 15 August 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsWfrupQ6jU&feature=related
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
fckk A++++
― hobbes, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Singles, Live, Unreleased out, anyone heard it? Strangely enough, the CD version is actually sold out but not the LP. Usually the other way 'round for Drag City.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i found it used on cd during the height of my royal trux fandom a few years ago, it's got some really good stuff on it
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
it's a reissue, isn't it?
― nostormo, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
my favorite record of theirs, so glad they repressed it.
― sleeve, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, it is just titanic... and there's tons of stuff that wasn't actually on singles, so even if you have like a half dozen of their 45s it is still totally worth it.
― sleeve, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
Oh I gotta get that.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
it's great, and gives a taste of every aspect of their sound, from fucked up lo fi to hard rocking jams to spacey synthy stuff. Cool cover too!
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah originally released in 1997
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
still fuckin love these dudes, probably one of the best american rock bands. was thinking today that i want to learn how to play "stevie" and "stop." their fucked-up slow soul jams.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
the mere fact they wrote a song about fat greasy Buddhist Steven Seagal makes them grade A awesome IMO.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
so good:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91MivHQRIAk"people think that the united states are a sweet bowl of plastic flowers"
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
or "sweet ol' plastic flower" ?
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
Royal Trux succeeded in the rare combination of making music that sounds familiar and unique at the same time
― nostormo, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
Got this when it came out all those years ago and it kind of cemented my view of RT as makers of astounding music. It seemks weird to say that a box set of rarities, b sides and unreleased stuff is all essesntial and also a good place to start for a beginner but thst what I would say about this set. Brilliant. Brilliant. So much stuff and just a great wild time to get to know all these tunes and non tunes.
― Hinklepicker, Thursday, 10 November 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
A-sides too!
― sleeve, Thursday, 10 November 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yes asides. A good way to keep secrets.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 11 November 2011 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
Royal Trux (and Hagerty more generally) are totally going to be more widely recognized for their awesomeness somewhere down the line, I'm convinced. Probably in fifteen years or so, when some Tarantino analogue uses one of their songs in a movie.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 11 November 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Wait, the Singles, Live reissue is sold out on CD? I don't even see it listed on the Drag City website as having a CD version, just LP or mp3....grrr!
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://pl.ayli.st/Royal+Trux/Faca+Amolada
― Mariusz Smiley (admrl), Thursday, 17 November 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the SLU has been OOP on CD for a while. why? i don't know.
i've been fans of these guys forever and i've seen them live twice but i still have no idea what jennifer herrema looks like. i can't find a single photo where her hair isn't over at least 2/3 of her face.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 November 2011 07:28 (twelve years ago) link
Well y'know, that's the point
― Teeth, Thursday, 17 November 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link
Fringes are so hot
― Teeth, Thursday, 17 November 2011 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
i know it's the point, but it's bizarre that she's sustained it so long.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 November 2011 08:00 (twelve years ago) link
One of the best gigs I've been to was Royal Trux and the Make Up in a very small venue in Bristol. Both bands were on fire.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 17 November 2011 09:01 (twelve years ago) link
never been to a Trux gig (shame) but from what ive seen on youtube - isn't the "fire" came mainky from Jennifer?Neil looks kinda indifferent.
― nostormo, Thursday, 17 November 2011 10:02 (twelve years ago) link
he's kind of second fiddle to Jennifer, yes. She's the real deal though, I think she was wearing a kaftan at the show I was at, proper Marianne Faithful rock star cool.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 17 November 2011 10:22 (twelve years ago) link
accelerator on vinyl was one of my better finds this year. definitely their best record if just for i'm ready and stevie
― bluelips, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
he's kind of second fiddle to Jennifer, yes
lol I guess in terms of enthusiasm/stage presence maybe but musically? gtfo
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
well yes, my answer was to the previous post, about the gig I went to. I don't think anyone would argue contrary to what you say on Hagerty being the compositional/ musical force.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
Announcing First Object from FEATHERED FISH: A New Collaboration between Jennifer Herrema and Pamela Love
FEATHERED FISH WEBSITE
http://cdn.e2ma.net/userdata/1702443/images/xlarge/e1360775181.jpg
It all started when artist and musician Jennifer Herrema approached her favorite jewelry designer Pamela Love about collaborating on a remake of the iconic Royal Trux skull ring. Pamela, a longtime fan of Jennifer’s and a musician herself, immediately said yes. The two quickly hit it off and realized that they had way more in common than just skull rings. The ideas started flowing between the two and they were just too good not to see through. Thanks to a collaborative partnership with record label Drag City, Feathered Fish took flight. The name honors Jennifer and Pamela's shared Pisces status and owes inspiration to a 1966 song by Arthur Lee of the psychedelic LA band, Love. Feathered Fish combines Pamela’s experience and vision, finely honed through running her eponymous jewelry line, with Jennifer’s prowess not only as rock royalty but also as a clothing and jewelry designer in her own right.
The debut object from Feathered Fish is a reimagining of that Royal Trux skull ring that brought Jennifer and Pamela's heads together in the beginning. They retained the skull from the original design, added a fitting traditional tribal motif and replaced the crossbones with crossed arrows. Made from sterling silver, the ring is limited to 40 pieces. Herrema and Love have way more than just jewelry up their sleeves. Feathered Fish will produce roughly four American-made artifacts each year, ranging from jewelry to art objects to clothing, each of a similarly limited edition. What they come out with is limited only by their imaginations and what’s legal to cross state lines. Tune in every few months to see what they come up with next. Expect a proliferation of good vibes.
PLACE SKULL RING ORDERS HERE
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
Only $200 postpaid!
hot n cold skulls?
― OutdoorFish, Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
So, for $200, is that all you get?
― Mike Dixn, Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
Or you get nothing at all.
― InternationalWaters, Sunday, 17 February 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
Does someone have scans of the mag appearance where they interviewed Keith Richards?
― OG requiem head (Call the Cops), Sunday, 17 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
Not a scan, but here's the text:http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1196890
― Mike Dixn, Sunday, 17 February 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
― OG requiem head (Call the Cops), Sunday, 17 February 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpzmoBniw_I
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
mesmerizing
Jennifer Herrema just said on Facebook that the next Black Bananas album will have two songs cowritten with NMH
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 30 May 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
whoa!i wonder if that means they are unearthing historical trux jams tho
― daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
either way
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
Killer!
― Drugs A. Money, Monday, 3 June 2013 10:35 (ten years ago) link
it is interesting to wonder if they'll sound like old royal trux songs or if they'll sound like some ungodly mashup of RTX and the howling hex, like blaring hair-metal guitars in polka rhythm
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:19 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if that means they are unearthing historical trux jams tho
this is my guess
― Mr. Scarf Ace is Back (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
i read a thing (on p4k?) that said new, so i can believe new until i hear otherwise. some of the stuff about neil playing twin infinitives in brooklyn talked about him & jennifer talking about it so maybe stuff went from there.
also props to n/a for writing this meta-referential faux-trux lyric: blaring hair-metal guitars in polka rhythm
― daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
Classic.
― chromecassettes, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:52 (ten years ago) link
OK i finally just got the singles comp and whaaaat @ this milton nascimento cover
― bentelec, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 02:23 (ten years ago) link
it's great!
― twerking for obvious reasons (contenderizer), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 04:38 (ten years ago) link
that's what
Still amazing. So many of their records are perfect for me and this is is one of only box sets that I love almost everything on. Also for a singles and odds and sods collection is also surprisingly a good place to start for introductions.I miss Neil and Jennifer togethor thats for sure. Apart from sporadic intervention I have lost track of both artists solo careers though - seems a little tricky to know where to dip in.
― Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 09:50 (ten years ago) link
I just re-bought Pound For Pound which I kind of disliked as a water-treading, phoning it in effort when it came out. Maybe true, but it's great too. No bad albums from this band.
And check this out:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a16igonZo20
― Mike Dixn, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link
neil wearing a tottenham jersey!
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link
wow, great video, thanks for posting.
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:09 (ten years ago) link
Ian Svenonius wrote a short oral history of "Veterans of Disorder"
http://www.fvckthemedia.com/issue23/out-of-order
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/59555-royal-trux-reunite/
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
I never saw them live. have seen hagerty at least
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
This is the one reunion I had assumed would never ever happen.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
well there's still the Smiths
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
and Spacemen 3
This is the one reunion of a good band I had assumed would never ever happen.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
haha ok
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
Holy. Shit. That's awesome. I reeeeeally hope they tour.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link
whaaat
― sleeve, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
:OOOOOO
― you can now get married in a church of bacon (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
!!!!! hyped for possible tour, i wonder if they will make it to the east coast before prob inevitable implosion
― adam, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
Saw them once - so ramshackle and fantastic. I also hope to get to see them again. great news!
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
Cool I saw RTX years ago and it was great.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
saw them play with the Make Up in a c200 venue, great show!
― Keith Moom (Neil S), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
Weren't they a notoriously awful live band? I mean, I'd still go see them if I could but...
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
Best-case scenario is that them leads to writing/recording new Royal Trux music.
i saw them twice in the mid 90s, hated them both times, but i was a stupid kid back then
― mizzell, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
yeah i saw them opening for pavement when i was 15 or 16 and had no fucking idea what was happening.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
I wonder whose rhythm section they'll borrow
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
I was looking for the Puncture article about Royal Trux where Neil is all paranoid in their rural Virginia house and I found this: http://www.royaltrux.wolfzen.com/rtx_ints_needs_formatting.txt A whole bunch of Royal Trux interviews/articles on a long unformatted page
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
"Why'd you get 90-minute tapes?" Hagerty groans."That's all they had.""But the 60-minute ones are better.""That's what they had,'' Herrema repeats. "Neil, I've had a bad day. I was loading the groceries into the van, and when I turned around there was a guy in a pick-up truck looking at me. He was jacking off.""Fuck! Did you see his plates?""No. He followed me but I blew a light and lost him.""Jesus, Jennifer, why didn't you get his plate number? How many lights did he follow you for? ... Three? He got your plates. He's probably a fuckin' serial killer."Hagerty walks to the front window and stares out, past the white propane tank, past the swampy lump of grass, past the van, the Jag, the Woody, and my own car. There's no killer visible, but Hagerty's not satisfied. "I should get the gun. Did you call the police? We should call the police.""Neil, I lost him.""You had a fuckin' killer and you let him slip out of your net. What if he goes and molests a kid?""I was not going to stop and take down his license-plate number.""I'm just saying he was behind you. You could've just looked back," Hagerty moans, stalking the room as if John Wayne Gacy is about to crawl from under the sofa cushions."You're paranoid," says Herrema.For the next few hours Hagerty will sporadically pop up from his seat and peek out the window, continually returning to the subject to retread his original argument.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
\m/
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link
lol I want to read that whole thing but I feel like I should stop myself
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
I did the thing to send that whole page to my Kindle for later reading.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
I got as far as the part where they're arguing about the Reducers lol - the scenester minutiae is hilar
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
No way, reunions are much better in general if they don't have any new material and just play the old stuff.
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
sometimes I think there is no better song title than "Martyr Lectures Comedian"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link
thanks for that link, NA!
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link
Weren't they a notoriously awful live band? I mean, I'd still go see them if I could but... --Immediate Follower (NA)
They were great when I saw them but I imagine their performances could be uh varied.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 May 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link
i saw them in 1998 and it was one of the greatest shows I've ever seen. Hagerty is an insanely glorious guitar player, on a good night. They played Back To School.
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 14 May 2015 08:17 (eight years ago) link
watching Hagerty play guitar is truly a gift - whatever his faults as a cantankerous contrarian trickster asshole the guy has chops for days, so inventive.
altho tbh I wouldn't be surprised if he opts to not play guitar at all for this (I did see him play 6-string bass for almost an entire show once, for instance)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
I'd love it if they got Ken Nasta back on percussion. Is he up to anything these days?
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
I'll be surprised if they do anything that's a concession to their past (ie play with previous band members, play "the hits" or maybe even old Royal Trux songs at all), it seems out of character for NMH in particular.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
I'd be cool with all-new stuff. They've both kept it going at an admirably high level.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
the first time these two actually see each other again should be as they walk out on stage
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
yeah of all the reunions that have happened, this is one that I think will be genuinely unpredictable
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
would be cool with 40-minute version of Juicy Juicy Juice tbh
Hell, I'd outright request a 40-minute version of 'Juicy Juicy Juice'. Would be amazing.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
lol I was talking about this with my wife in a "how do we get to this" way and my daughter asked who Royal Trux were and my wife said "they do that song you like about Juice"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
That's great! I always figured (some language aside) that kids would be way into a lot of the Trux songs from that era.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
hey who doesn't wanna go to the waterpark amirite
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
I'm going to go see Hagerty later on this month. I have a feeling it will either be terrible or amazing.
― kwhitehead, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
i dont care i want to see the full world tour royal trux extravaganza
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 15 May 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
beautiful post
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:40 (eight years ago) link
actually really lovely & interesting to know that rtx collaboration & now this are a thing, though
http://bombmagazine.org/article/6931428/neil-michael-hagerty
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Friday, 22 May 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
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― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:56 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I highly recommend doing this. One of the best books I've read this year.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 22 May 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link
that bomb interview is great, thanks schlump
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Friday, 22 May 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
Saw one tweet indicating that Jennifer and Neil have yet to meet face-to-face about the reunion, saw another tweet that there's a special Royal Trux t-shirt only for sale at the festival
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
gonna be a weird trainwreck, that's for sure. which is appropriate.
― tylerw, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
Saw one tweet indicating that Jennifer and Neil have yet to meet face-to-face about the reunion― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, August 6, 2015 12:24 PM (9 minutes ago)
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, August 6, 2015 12:24 PM (9 minutes ago)
lolllllll! link?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
Here: http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/cult-rockers-royal-trux-on-gearing-up-for-their-first-show-in-15-years
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
doesn't seem like a crazy problem imo
& otoh i am hyped for the tshirt
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link
they've known each other since they were kids. should be easy to get steezy on stage
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
that long text file is amazing
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 7 August 2015 05:31 (eight years ago) link
Neil: Did you read the Royal Trux thing in The Voice? Lisa: No. Neil: The Voice is just one of those things, like Karl Marx or the Don't Tread On Me flag. The Village Voice staff from 1970. The way I see it, there's a certain force operating underneath social life. To me. Royal Trux is like the trip, like the word life. It's like, I'm on a Royal Trux.[A conversation here about communism and its connection to the Don't Tread On Me flag too confusing to transcribe.]
"Herrema has plenty going on – as well a new Black Bananas LP, she's starring in the new series of the Judd Apatow-produced Netflix romcom Love"
Wait what!
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 August 2015 07:46 (eight years ago) link
lol yes
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Friday, 7 August 2015 08:31 (eight years ago) link
Of course that wasn't going to be it. NYC show in December - http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2015/10/royal_trux_play.html
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 October 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link
ugh webster hall. tix on sale friday 10am
― adam, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 11:27 (eight years ago) link
highly considering going, though now it's a bit more likely that more shows could happen...
related/semi-self-hype: I did a piece on Twin Infinitives for PSF that sort of fits in with a lot of the conversation in this thread:
http://www.furious.com/perfect/royaltrux3.html
― whitehallunity, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
https://royaltrux2016.bandcamp.com/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:03 (eight years ago) link
haha awesome
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:15 (eight years ago) link
yess!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link
I was at the Chicago reunion show, it was pretty much what I expected (a weird/awesome mess).
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:01 (eight years ago) link
I don't think there's a bad (or at least boring) Trux LP, but I love Cats & Dogs - Dogs of Love - Thank You - Sweet 16 so much more than the breathrough stuff that followed
― someone who just gets annoyed at bad tweets (stevie), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:05 (eight years ago) link
have never been able to hear Sweet 16, annoys the shit out of me
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:10 (eight years ago) link
JH is doing a DJ/podcast thing:http://dublab.com/labrat/labrat-jennifer-herrema/
Playlists look pretty good. Just fired up the latest episode with Rian Murphy.
― Mike Dixn, Thursday, 3 November 2016 22:11 (seven years ago) link
Playing in Manchester next year with The Fall, Loop and others - http://www.dragcity.com/tours#royal-trux
― Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Thursday, 17 November 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
i've been listening to accelerator and 3-song ep a bunch lately but i don't know much else other than some random songs on youtube. what should i check out next? cats and dogs? does anything else sound like 3 song ep?
― dynamicinterface, Sunday, 26 February 2017 23:35 (seven years ago) link
Yeah "Cats and Dogs", definitely
― pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Sunday, 26 February 2017 23:48 (seven years ago) link
If you like Accelerator get Veterans of Disorder and Pound For Pound
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 February 2017 02:29 (seven years ago) link
My first RT was an impulse buy of the triple vinyl Singles, Live, Unreleased and I'd recommend that, as well as everything already mentioned
― albvivertine, Monday, 27 February 2017 10:10 (seven years ago) link
Cats & Dogs is their best imho
― Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Monday, 27 February 2017 11:07 (seven years ago) link
The odds & ends comp is the one I keep going back to:https://www.discogs.com/Royal-Trux-Singles-Live-Unreleased/release/1269891
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
this is one of those questions where everyone's going to give you a different answer
― na (NA), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
I still have never gotten that into any of the pre-Cats & Dogs albums but my general recommendation wrt RT is to just get everything they recorded from that point on plus the singles compilation because it's almost all great. Top three albums after Accelerator would be Cats & Dogs, Veterans, and Thank You.
― The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
Cats and Dogs is my go-to, but the preceding self-titled (with the gold pile of skulls) was my first and it made a big impression on my tender young brain almost 25 years ago (shit).
Singles/Live/Unreleased is a goldmine of killer Trux tunes, covers a lot of stylistic ground. Worth it for "Shockwave Rider" and "Back to School" alone.
― Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
knock five years off that timescale and this is me also
― Vlogs from other credible bands such as Shed Seven (DJ Mencap), Monday, 27 February 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
To echo the posts above... start with Cats and Dogs, then work forward/backward from there.
still have never gotten that into any of the pre-Cats & Dogs albums
Same here, the early looser stuff doesn't appeal to me much. Sweet Sixteen is my favorite.
― new noise, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
Yes. Junkie Nurse and Sun On The Run and Air and a bunch of others make this a must.
― Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
Junkie Nurse is so spooky. Love the guitar-playing on that one.
― Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 27 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
https://www.thewire.co.uk/issues/399
https://www.thewire.co.uk/img/scale/1240/1528/2017/04/04/May-OFC-01.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link
well well
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 23:04 (seven years ago) link
noooo even the haggmeister has a beard now :(
― a but (brimstead), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 23:09 (seven years ago) link
new vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BneR3bjueI
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
or not. duh.
don't get my hopes up like that
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
my bad.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
GTFOH with that 20 year old "new vid" revive...
http://www.dragcity.com/products/platinum-tips-ice-cream
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 April 2017 05:01 (seven years ago) link
http://imgur.com/a/QQB2s
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Then someone in the comments posts a link to the drone-jam 2nd part of "Half A Canyon", to which Jen replies:
"Their Royal Trux homage to Spike Cyclone at @ 2:22-2:45 is the best part" which is OTM!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
New vid:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mlVzN4wbG8
― Mike Dixn, Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:23 (seven years ago) link
wow this album's gonna be weird
― Wimmels, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:38 (seven years ago) link
Awwww I didn't know Kid Millions was playing drums for 'em! I was already crushed to find out I'd missed them in Detroit, this makes it like 100x worse
― the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 29 May 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
live album is streaming on npr: http://www.npr.org/2017/06/08/530279358/first-listen-royal-trux-platinum-tips-ice-cream
― na (NA), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
I haven't listened yet but is that the most platonically perfect RT album title ever??
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
Anyone else considering flying out to SF:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba7-dd_hz4-/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link
seeing them tonight at the Chapel
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
Great show! Rhythm section was killing it, played a lot of my faves incl opening w The Spectre. Platinum Tips, I'm Ready, Hot and Cold Skulls, Juicy Juicy Juice, Waterpark, Banana Question (the highlight imo).
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
Lights of the Levee too
My wife thought they got "kinda free jazz". Def wild and wooly.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
wo jealous
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
sounds awesome, great news, hope they continue working together
― sleeve, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
who was the rhythm section? when i saw them last year it was hagerty's drummer and herrema's guitarist but i see a reference to kid millions upthread
― na (NA), Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure who the bassist was but yeah I think the drummer was Kid Millions and he was in full-on Keith Moon mode the whole time, it was great. Hagerty fiddled with his pedals a lot and occasionally his guitar got lost in a haze of mud but that would be my only complaint sound-wise. Herrema had a little synth and a couple pedals and random things, I think she was also triggering samples or something because there were multiple points throughout the set where I couldn't tell where certain non-bass/guitar/drum sounds were coming from.
Trying to remember what else they did, there were a couple songs I didn't recognize. Something called "Sunsine" too, I think? I laughed when Hagerty said "this next one is from our last studio album" and then went into "Platinum Tips"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbRvLZKTwg0
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 November 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
JUICY JUICY JUICE
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
It was really good. Turn out was weak. Busy season in the Bay and Halloween hangover I guess. Kid Millions is really such a good fit.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
I was in the balcony, looked like a pretty full house from up there...? Def a bigger crowd than when I saw Howling Hex at the Hemlock years back lol.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
Right on!!
― brimstead, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
Okay, big news:
http://fatpossum.com/royal-trux-announce-signing-to-fat-possum-catalog-going-digital/
American rock & roll band Royal Trux (Jennifer Herrema and Neil Hagerty) have signed with Mississippi label Fat Possum Records which will re-release the entire digital catalog from the duo’s 1988 self titled debut up to 2000’s pre-hiatus gem Pound for Pound.You can pre-save the bands catalog on Spotify by clicking here. Expect the first slate of re-releases from Fat Possum on all streaming sites in March 2018.Herrema and Hagerty have also confirmed plans to enter the studio this Summer to record a new album for Fat Possum. The band have performed spontaneous secret shows across the USA and Europe since picking back up where they left off in 2015. But 2018 will prove to be their busiest year with strategic headlining shows across the US and festival dates across Europe going in to 2019.
You can pre-save the bands catalog on Spotify by clicking here. Expect the first slate of re-releases from Fat Possum on all streaming sites in March 2018.
Herrema and Hagerty have also confirmed plans to enter the studio this Summer to record a new album for Fat Possum. The band have performed spontaneous secret shows across the USA and Europe since picking back up where they left off in 2015. But 2018 will prove to be their busiest year with strategic headlining shows across the US and festival dates across Europe going in to 2019.
Strategic, you see.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
if there's one word you'd associate with royal trux it'd def be 'strategic'
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
Is this due to digital intransigence on the part of Drag City or something?
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
xpost Man, you just conjured a vivid image of Neil & Jen interviews where they engage in hardcore corporatespeak about branding and synergy and it's killing me.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Weirdly enough ever since that article a few weeks ago talking about how they invested their 90s major label money in real estate and say they've still earned money off their back catalog all this time, yes, I would associate 'strategic' with them now!
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
Basically they just seemed like utter wastrel burnouts from the outside but they have it more together than we'd realized.
And related to that:
Unlikely -- they've been putting up a lot of material last I checked -- but again, I could just as easily see them negotiating a better deal in general.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
i wonder if drag city had to approve the digital distribution of the back catalog aspect?
― na (NA), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
This is overall great news, though it's slightly disappointing that "Sweet Sixteen" is not one of the albums being reissued.
― Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
Wait, whaaaat? That's stupid. I mean, I understand that it's probably logistically more difficult, but still stupid. Especially considering that Sweet Sixteen is the album is the one I'd most like to own in a form that had no packaging.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
I always figured that people's problems with the cover art were due to the smallness of the cd format. I'll need to see it blown up to 12"x12" to really appreciate it.
― Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
We need a special edition package which features a note-perfect three-dimensional sculpture of the cover art which you have to reach into in order to retrieve the fetid, dripping disc.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
Trux of the past is not Trux of the now- which in similar yet completely different terms- Trux of the past IS Trux of the now.
Uhh
They have no affinity for any one label. They're master negotiators and they're gonna either A: Swindle some big bux or B: Do whatever gives them the exact freedoms they desire. I wonder how much they kept of their old studio. I wonder how much of the new record will be completely new material or old stuff they never got to? Brian seems to be turning Neil on to the crazed Midi guitar shit he's been doing in Black Bananas. Also is it true Jen is bfgf with Kurt Midness? If Midness is in the mix too like, this could be some huge crash of Black Bananas + Royal Trux. This could be yuge or a big trainwreck. Here's to hoping they stick this out.
Trux died 15 years ago (iirc) when Jen's father passed away and she nosedived back into drugs. Neil couldn't take it. It was a premature death solely due to some lifeshit happening. Not even band related. They were meant to stay together. No disrespect to what they accomplished on their own. Hex is a pet project of absurdities and hidden genius. Bananas is sick af and should have been the biggest band of the 80s. I guess since Pound For Pound was mostly a retread of used ideas it's probably best how things went. Now they can come back with new inspirations and less fux to give.
Hype
― edges, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
Email just now -- the last paragraph is of particular interest:
Royal Trux (Neil Hagerty/Jennifer Herrema) are making their entire cumulative catalog (40 lps including Royal Trux, NMH, RTX, Howling Hex, and Black Bananas) available via their new home at Fat Possum. The releases will be made available to the public via streaming for the first time and the scheduled roll out has the first 3 chosen albums arriving on all streaming outlets including Spotify, TIDAL, Amazon, Google Play and Deezer this Friday, March 9th.1993's Cats and Dogs, 1998’s Accelerator and 1999’s Veterans of Disorder are the first 3 albums the duo have chosen to roll out. Since picking up where they left off, Jennifer Herrema and Neil Hagerty have gone back to work on their first studio LP in nearly 18 years. The band will self-produce, but will include an impressive roster of unexpected co-producers and collaborators on the new record's rumored 15 new tracks. Stay tuned for the announcement coming via Instagram launching Royal Trux TV which will unleash a vault of previously unseen films, videos and live footage as well as the band's long out-of-print scripted films What Is Royal Trux? and Live At Gettysburg along with newly created content for the forthcoming new record created by Herrema and Hagerty.
1993's Cats and Dogs, 1998’s Accelerator and 1999’s Veterans of Disorder
are the first 3 albums the duo have chosen to roll out. Since picking up where they left off, Jennifer Herrema and Neil Hagerty have gone back to work on their first studio LP in nearly 18 years. The band will self-produce, but will include an impressive roster of unexpected co-producers and collaborators on the new record's rumored 15 new tracks.
Stay tuned for the announcement coming via Instagram launching Royal Trux TV which will unleash a vault of previously unseen films, videos and live footage as well as the band's long out-of-print scripted films What Is Royal Trux? and Live At Gettysburg along with newly created content for the forthcoming new record created by Herrema and Hagerty.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
oh nice, i don't really know the nmh/howling hex stuff that well so it'll be nice to be able to browse it
― na (NA), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
search the 1st one under the name "NMH & The Howling HEx", with the killer live version of "Rockslide"
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
i still maintain that "transmaniacon" by rtx is an unheralded classic
― na (NA), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
40 LPs???
― brimstead, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
I was wondering that myself
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
Given all the sideprojects? Sure.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
lol I already counted and only got 29 - maybe if they are including singles, or there are live recordings or something
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
yeah thinking about it, neil's been pretty prolific post-trux
― brimstead, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
oh I forgot the albums under just the HH name, yeah looks about right!
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
ran into my 1st guitar teacher pic.twitter.com/iHDAHer0nd— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) June 18, 2018
― Mike Dixn, Monday, 18 June 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
Saw that last nite... I checked his feed at a good time ;)
Royal Trux (Neil Hagerty/Jennifer Herrema) are making their entire cumulative catalog (40 lps including Royal Trux, NMH, RTX, Howling Hex, and Black Bananas) available via their new home at Fat Possum. The releases will be made available to the public via streaming for the first time and the scheduled roll out has the first 3 chosen albums arriving on all streaming outlets including Spotify, TIDAL, Amazon, Google Play and Deezer this Friday, March 9th.
Wow - I missed the fact that all the NMH/Hex stuff is also coming to Fat Possum / digital.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link
nu Trux, on first listen pretty damn cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbtt5jEjjkg
― Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
Awesome, I’ve been waiting for this
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
Kool Keith on the other new track!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJTDvozyrko
― Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
a lot going on with that one, will need a few listens I think
― Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link
my dream team-up circa 1997 has now come to pass
― Neil S, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
Yessssssss
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
Definitely not feeling the Judgment Night vibes of that Kool Keith track but it's definitely consistent with the wtfness of Royal Trux
Other song is cool. More RTX than Howling Hex, to my ears. Is there a release date for this yet?
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
Yeah, these traxx sound like Jennifer had a few ideas, and Neil said — “Ok”
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 00:47 (five years ago) link
Will there be an album?
― nostormo, Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
Yeah - https://www.stereogum.com/1981691/royal-trux-reissuing-catalog-recording-new-album-for-fat-possum/news/
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
Great Thanks
― nostormo, Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
These songs have grown on me a bit... They have a “Trux-by-numbers” element to them, I’m not gonna lie; but they do hit that groove. (I feel like this band is the grown-up version of the kids in “High Fidelity” whose demo tape was the Radio Video EP, lol)
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Saturday, 27 October 2018 00:46 (five years ago) link
hmm
so as far as i can tell the new royal trux is jennifer, her husband, alexis from hot chip, andy from white magic???? kool keith just a guests on that 1 track— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 5, 2018
― tylerw, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
Nice catch... Right when I'm about to buy tix too.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
is neil saying he's not in RT or is neil saying kool keith is not in rt don't get it twisted?
― Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
I'm inferring the former based on his 2 follow ups:
updates as they occur— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 5, 2018
what a wrong, strange trip it has been— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 6, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
wtf
― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
my guess is that neil handed over the completion of the new record to jennifer and isn't too psyched about the results?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
Wut
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
If this is what it sounds like, wouldn't it be better for all involved if they just rebranded it as a Black Bananas album?
― John MILF Mellencamp (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
Didn't he make some cryptic comment about being fired or being an "unemployed" guitar player right around the time they were posting photos of recording?
But yeah I think...wut is correct statement regarding this whole sitch
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
I think the run from Cats & Dogs - Thank You is faultless, but tbh did not enjoy the live album and am not excited about a new Trux album, and don't think much of the new trax
― Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
it isn't really clear that any of those tweets are related to each other, they're all several hours apart
― na (NA), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
but just that one tweet raises questions about nmh's involvement in new royal trux yeah
― na (NA), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
I think the run from Cats & Dogs - Thank You is faultless,Is this meant to be shade? Lol
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
ha, not meant as shade - I'm including the dogs of love ep there too!
― Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
I mean, I'd expand the range a bit myself, but on its face that is a true statement.
― John MILF Mellencamp (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
The one with the toilet on the cover def has its moments, as do the albums and EPs before the split, but those three records are just sublime to me.
― Jacob Lohl (stevie), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
WTF is Hot Chip even doing in this equation ?!?
― An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
Yeah, that def gave me pause.
― Extreme - 'Bron-Yr-Aur' (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
imagine getting fired from being yourself?— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 27, 2018
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link
haha very weird. who knows what is really going on, but I would think that royal trux couldn't actually exist without Neil?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
I mean, Jennifer sort of tried it before (with “RTX”). I would think “reunion show” $$ would depend on Neil’s involvement, though.
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
I take it there's been no mention of this outside of his Twitter?
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
i don't think so! if i see him around town i'll have to ask. don't think there's been a howling hex show in a while. they've been getting noisy/abstract this year.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
Tyler - you live in Denver? Did you go to any of those "afternoon tea" (or whatever) concert happenings they were doing at that dispensary?
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link
yea unsure exactly what all these barbs and snark means exactly for what has gone on and the future of royal trux - wasn't there supposed to be a new album? -but it sure as hell does not sound anything like promising
― clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 04:05 (five years ago) link
There is a new album, and I've not spent too long with it but it's pretty weird/good?
― Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:01 (five years ago) link
Even weirder:
Just FYI Yall 🤡🧐 pic.twitter.com/X77dGMQ9AR— ROYAL TRUX (@realroyaltrux) November 28, 2018
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:28 (five years ago) link
Oh.
Sheesh, we got played.
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
sub 600 follower account @realroyaltrux questioning credentials
― ogmor, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:22 (five years ago) link
The Howling Hex acct. is definitely Neil.
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link
Is anyone here in a position to make inquiries w/the label, publicity, etc.?
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
You mean that "live" Platinum Tips record? It was better than I expected. Disappointed if this isn't going to have Neil involved though. Got enuff RTX and Black Bananas records as it is.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
No, there's a new studio album due in the new year. It *sounds like Neil's on it, but I haven't listened v closely yet. It's definitely more fun than the live album, which I found a bit of a drag.
― Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
yeah, the howling hex twitter acct is definitely neil. royal trux — sowing seeds of confusion! who woulda thunk it.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
Oh! I didn't know the full album was floating around out there yet, thanks. I though it was just those few tracks so far. Interesting to see how this plays out.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
Interesting to see how this plays out.
part of me hopes this is a fake-out for media attention - that would be pretty hilarious tbh
― Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
Hagerty is the original steev mike
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
Don’t know what the “punchline” would be — a show here in L.A. was cancelled at last minute, earlier this year, due to some weird drama. The $$ was refunded; but that experience plus these tweets by Neil = me for sure not buying tix to upcoming show in advance.
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
not sure why anyone who knows anything about the history of royal trux would think they would need to fake drama
― na (NA), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
It's all leading up to the announcement of a Kinky Wizards tour.
― Welcome to Gropelord, TX (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link
Bad blood, it's gonna fall on you...
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
Has anyone even picked up on this outside of this thread though
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link
thanks for the feedback ive got someone looking over the notifics for me because i am too thin-skinned— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 28, 2018
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link
Whew, glad that clears everything up then.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
hagerty's twitter feed is golden.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link
gotta figure neil would either be Not Online or Extremely Online
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link
For years, he ran this "collaborative blog" thing at a site called Soapblox -- it was the main Howling Hex webpage -- and it was pretty cool. He would do most the main posts, and users could comment; but you could also submit articles/posts that he would approve for publication if he liked them enough. But he shut it down suddenly at some point in the early 2010s.
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:11 (five years ago) link
Point:https://royal-trux.com
Counterpoint:
Dennis DeYoung Says He Had No Prospects After He Got Fired From Styx https://t.co/P9BAqFL8sK via @YouTube— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) November 29, 2018
― Mike Dixn, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 06:06 (five years ago) link
https://fatpossum.com/royal-trux-announce-white-stuff/
― na (NA), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link
title track is ok but definitely sounds like a jennifer song
― na (NA), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
That PR blurb sure makes me miss Drag City’s writing!
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
(It’s also “funny” how only Jennifer is quoted, lol)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
to be clear i like jennifer's songs but there had been theorizing above that she is the one driving the new royal trux but nmh being less active, and this press release/new song seem to point that way
― na (NA), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
I don't have a problem with that tbh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
Haven’t listened to the new track yet; but I wouldn’t be surprised if Neil had less involvement in this LP than he did in, like, the first Weird War album.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
If that is the case, I only have a problem with it inasmuch as it's being labeled a Royal Trux album. Like I'd be cool if they each guested on the other's albums but don't tease.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
The new song kinda sounds like Trux-pastiche (like the other two). And the "coke mirror" aesthetic... I dunno.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
Big Trux fan here. Got my pre-order goin. Y'all are right about Jen runnin the show.I get the vibe Neil has custody of Live Trux and Jennifer has the studio end of it.Jen was getting blasted drunk thru the last tour.Really hope there's some Neil songwriting intelligence on the new LP
― edges, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:24 (five years ago) link
As tour cancellation announcements go, you could do worse than Royal Trux: "Jennifer is incredibly grateful that she will not be spending any time in jail, and in her own words, states: "Shit could definitely be worse." Rock'n'roll.— Kevin Williams (@TribuneKevin) January 15, 2019
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link
What happened??
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:37 (five years ago) link
Maybe I'm bad at googling today, but I can't find anything about a tour cancellation or what happened.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
this was posted on the Facebook Event page for the Philly show
"Due to some unresolved issues arising from a past arrest, Royal Trux will be rescheduling their North American Tour. Jennifer is incredibly grateful that she will not be spending any time in jail, and in her own words, states: "Shit could definitely be worse.”
She regrets that her inconvenience may affect the fans' and ticket buyers but is looking forward to the shows being rescheduled for later this Spring.
New dates will be announced shortly, tickets purchased in advance will be honored for the new dates."
― circa1916, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:49 (five years ago) link
Royal Trux postpone tour due to issues from a past arrest https://t.co/xiDwcO1qXq pic.twitter.com/5q9GTUaV40— ALARM Magazine (@ALARMmag) January 15, 2019
― Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
xps
― Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
Thanks.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
haha, this overall messiness and confusion in Truxland is very appropriate I guess.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
It really is, I wish I was more excited about the new album, tbh. Nothing has really jumped out at me yet, it all def seems more fitting for Black Bananas or whatever.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
I’m just here giving it all the side-eye... 👀
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
In our current era of well organized, smoothly run heritage rock revivals I appreciate this confusing bit of chaos if I am bummed about the date getting moved.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
ha this is actually convenient for me bc i had a conflict for the chicago show
― na (NA), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
don't even try to tell me what that announcement was-- i haven't had anything to do w/ it since june last year apart from some screaming yelling emails & txts— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) January 15, 2019
― tylerw, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:58 (five years ago) link
looool, this bodes well for the tour.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:08 (five years ago) link
are they cleaned up? hag seems to have it together, idk as much about jen
― GarugBand (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link
Hag's been clean for years afaik
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:29 (five years ago) link
tbh a RTX w out controversy and shenanigans and arguments would not be a true RTX reunion
I dunno, my p.o.v. is that this was probably not meant to work out
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:35 (five years ago) link
yeah i thought the original royal trux breakup was because hagerty got clean and herrema didn't and he got sick of dealing with it, but that might be an oversimplification
― na (NA), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:36 (five years ago) link
Exactly - and it makes me wonder about some of the circumstances surrounding the reunion (and other things that aren't really my business).
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:41 (five years ago) link
somebody needs money, duh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:45 (five years ago) link
Well, yes - guess there was a sort of risk/benefit analysis involved.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:52 (five years ago) link
i know it's real because i have done 3 records in 18 months for 3 different entities w/ 3 different groups & all either did not come out &/or were redone and i got paid in $$, identity theft & calumny-- such is the life of a natural heel, it's everything i'd hoped it could be— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) January 17, 2019
― na (NA), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
hmmmmmmmmmmm
love the use of the word calumny as opposed to libel or slander
― GarugBand (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link
one of his many tweets that reads like it's responding to something specific but it's unclear what (he knows what's real?)
― na (NA), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:54 (five years ago) link
Suxx if true. Maybe should've hung w/Drag City.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link
(Unless DC is one of those "entities"... I don't know whether Neil & the Hex actually left DC, or just RTX.)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
I feel bad for Fat Possum as they're probably going to feel the repercussions of all this.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
investors jumping from windows
― calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
I've been thinking for a while I hope Neil didn't burn his bridges at Drag City. I don't think it'd be very easy to convince a label to put out Howling Hex records right now.
― Mike Dixn, Friday, 18 January 2019 00:11 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfKblFXTh6s&feature=youtu.be
new video, with no neil (though not much jennifer either tbf)
― na (NA), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link
love it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 25 January 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
new MOJO has an awesome Trux feature with lots of infighting during and after the interview
― whoa is me (stevie), Friday, 25 January 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
Another new song... feelin' it even less than the others, TBH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NONE3HlzhkM
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link
It all feels like such a weak facsimile of the late-'90s Trux concept.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:18 (five years ago) link
(plus, y'know, they're not very good songs)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:25 (five years ago) link
everyone probably loved Accelerator because 'Liar' has the greatest riff ever.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:53 (five years ago) link
"Mouth Breather" sounds like the "Dancing Days" riff, transmitted into 1990 Chicago via a scuzz-rock fax machine (this is not a value judgment, btw)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 4 February 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link
I've been seeing promos of "White Stuff" all over social media for the past three weeks but I finally listened to the full song just now, and it don't sound bad to me at all
I'm down with "Every Day Swan" too
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link
and mark this for following this dumb b.s. but they put out a record that i hadn't heard and still haven't heard and then lied and said I had approved it— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) February 22, 2019
he was tweeting other stuff that seemed related to the new album this morning
― na (NA), Friday, 22 February 2019 15:38 (five years ago) link
"basically a debtors' prison situation" yeesh
― tylerw, Friday, 22 February 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
The “tour” is back on, new dates announced y’day... but who would buy tix now?
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
dunno, literally the only place there's any indication of this stuff is hagerty's twitter! kind of surprised someone hasn't dug deeper into it (possible I've missed an article, not sure)
― tylerw, Friday, 22 February 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
haw
TOUR TALK..... best believe. pic.twitter.com/e4XLIYJtcm— ROYAL TRUX (@realroyaltrux) February 22, 2019
(of course this is from last november)
― tylerw, Friday, 22 February 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
Wonder if he’s cool w/his email addy getting out there (remember in the ‘90s when it was something like “karlmar✧✧✧@a✧✧.c✧✧”?)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
(weird, that censorship was some ILX auto thing)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
neil hagerty has the weirdest range of interests of any 'celebrity' i can think of. just a strange dude.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
i mean for long stretches he seems almost painfully 'normie' and then he posts about some truly strange shit and you remember he was (is?) in royal trux.
he's also incredibly online, which i would not have predicted had you asked me a decade or two ago.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
he seems like a chill guy who likes cool stuff
― na (NA), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
that's another way to put it.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
i guess you might expect something edgier
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
he doesn't seem very chill about the economics of touring w/ trux, tbf
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
He’s a pretty intelligent dude. He’s written v good essays on a variety of general interest subjects (many of which collected in a book, “Public Works”).
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link
ooh, i hadn't known about that, thank you
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link
Looks like the situation finally got a write-up/investigation:https://www.stereogum.com/2033256/royal-trux-twitter-drama/wheres-the-beef/
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 23 February 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
Now someone's spoken to Neil:
http://dustedmagazine.tumblr.com/post/183074880168/royal-trux-white-stuff-fat-possum
After tracking the record in June 2018, Hagerty split due to an unspecified disagreement. Herrema and a bundle of friends worked the tracks into their album versions — hence the Bitches Brew approach — and submitted the record to Fat Possum, along with assurance that Hagerty had approved. He had not. And when contacted for comment said he still hasn’t heard any of the music from the record. He did, however, say that Fat Possum has handled the situation “the best they could,” and noted he was “overjoyed” not to be working with the band’s previous label. [...]“The operative vision for me on this was Sunset Boulevard and I tried not to end up in the pool” Hagerty said when asked about the record. “If she had just told me it was going to be a solo thing I would have been fine with it but the way they are trying to drag me back into it now is degenerate stuff.”
He had not. And when contacted for comment said he still hasn’t heard any of the music from the record. He did, however, say that Fat Possum has handled the situation “the best they could,” and noted he was “overjoyed” not to be working with the band’s previous label.
[...]
“The operative vision for me on this was Sunset Boulevard and I tried not to end up in the pool” Hagerty said when asked about the record. “If she had just told me it was going to be a solo thing I would have been fine with it but the way they are trying to drag me back into it now is degenerate stuff.”
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link
That's interesting. I really don't think I've ever heard anything particularly awful about Drag City. Wonder what that's all about.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 20:18 (five years ago) link
Yeah, me too...
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link
This is "out there'. Gave it one listen and all i can say - as a longtime Trux fan --Summer Album! Instantly catchy.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 February 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
yeah i don't hate this on first listen. as expected, it's way more in jennifer's aesthetic than neil's, lots of processing and overlapping vocals and lyrics about rock and roll. one weird thing i noticed is that there are almost no moments with neil singing without jennifer doubling his vocals. it makes me wonder if he was singing along with her guide vocals. unexpectedly "suburban junky lady" might be the best song on here.
i hated the kool keith song when i heard it as an advance single. i liked it more this time but it doesn't belong on a "royal trux" album. should've saved it for judgement night 2.
― na (NA), Friday, 1 March 2019 20:01 (five years ago) link
Publicity photos of the duo (see above) were clearly photoshopped together;
lol
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 1 March 2019 21:30 (five years ago) link
I bought a ticket for the Toronto show late last year, and after it got postponed it was honoured for the new date, but who knows what'll happen. I have some doubts about their ability to make it across the border, haha.
In the meantime, I put up a few lesser-circulated live shows on a throwaway channel if anyone's interested, including this one, a Neil/Jen 'acoustic' esque set from 97 with a couple of rarities (Air!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_ubZRoN04
― whitehallunity, Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2019 15:31 (five years ago) link
xpost Excellent! Thanks ( and good luck with that Toronto show)!
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 March 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
This new album sucks hard :(
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Monday, 4 March 2019 21:38 (five years ago) link
whitehallunity -- that 1995 promotional film you posted on YT is awesome!
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Monday, 4 March 2019 22:08 (five years ago) link
(Oh, haha, I've seen this before... it's the one where Neil sprays the phone!)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Monday, 4 March 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
I don't even want to bother. "White Stuff" - give me a break already.
― timellison, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 02:06 (five years ago) link
Yeah, it’s the pits. The last few tracks are passable, but I don’t think I’ll ever queue it up again. A bad “Royal Trux” album — who thought we’d ever see it?
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 02:53 (five years ago) link
yeah, oof, it's not good. i almost wonder if neil getting all weird about it was partly due to his recognitiion that it isn't good and wanting to distance himself from it.
where's the link to the 1995 trux film?
has anyone ever watched the VHS what is royal trux? released by drag city in the early 1990s?
it's like a tour documentary slash very very flaky sci-fi thing. neil and jennifer in junkie phase.
https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/2/3/2/2/3/6/webimg/290328293_o.jpg
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:08 (five years ago) link
ok, of course, like everything else in the world, it's on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDo6aB_pXdk
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
hmm so should i not see them?
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:24 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/mar/05/im-out-man-royal-trux-reform-then-split-up-in-the-middle-of-this-interview
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 09:18 (five years ago) link
lol Petridish and all that, but that is a really good feature
― Neil S, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:01 (five years ago) link
I'd watch the shit out of a Royal Trux biopic.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:26 (five years ago) link
a royal trux biopic that faithfully represented the band's history would be an extremely strange and upsetting movie
― invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:35 (five years ago) link
Harmony Korine has already considered it (no citation needed).
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:41 (five years ago) link
movie material vmic
― invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:50 (five years ago) link
Wow they're really going to break up with every interview? This really is starting to feel like a stunt
― space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:48 (five years ago) link
yeah, I was gonna say, surely I'm not the only person wondering if this isn't some publicity stunt at this point
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:45 (five years ago) link
this one is sorta poignant (not a word I'd ever expect to use regarding the Trux)
“The thing is, the dynamic between us is exactly the same. Neil is still the same person. I’m still the same person. We’re just smarter, and we have more experiences under our belt. It’s complicated, but it’s the same. … He’s one of my best friends.”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jennifer-herrema-opens-gnarly-stupid-horrible-s-led-royal-truxs-unlikely-reconciliation-084842829.html?fbclid=IwAR3uXWQ75tatBptzt72NVxiBxucNgQulIzFDLqu61q0i2gU3E_Qy8_Xiy9M
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
When were these interviews conducted though?
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
Wondering that myself. As much as I don't doubt there's an element of performative promotion involved here, the Guardian interview is the only one where they've claimed to break up during the interview, no? Everything else just mentions that Neil seemed to have split during the recording, then been really distant and unengaged with the tour stuff.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
i probably said this on this thread but at one point someone compiled every interview royal trux ever did (before the reunion) into a PDF and i sent it to my kindle and read it like a book and it was fascinating seeing how their stories changed from interview to interview and to try and piece together the "truth" from the overlaps and contradictions
― na (NA), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
(I thought the MOJO interview was them not having spoken in months and having a huge argument in the middle of it)
― space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
I haven't read that MOJO one yet, thanks for the reminder.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
Neil tweeted this a couple hours ago:
these last real royal trux shows are truly happening and confirmed in the usa may/june, check local sources-- any press you see is coming from orange county/ newport beach, just a job to fuck me over by people w/ resources and 00% else— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) March 5, 2019
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:09 (five years ago) link
the guardian article is decent, but both of the articles listed above overstate how central royal trux was to the 90s.. herrema as "the heroin chic icon" or whatever. trux ,even during their time on virgin, were as i recall a very niche phenomenon.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:09 (five years ago) link
The quotes (from both Neil & Jen) in the Guardian piece are great. (I just skimmed the rest, I already know their backstory.)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:55 (five years ago) link
The Yahoo article is indeed sorta poignant (and contains some useful info re: the Sweet Sixteen cover art: “actually a bunch of oatmeal, Tabasco sauce, and chocolate sauce”).
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:59 (five years ago) link
I have no sales figures to back this up but I have always thought of them as a band whose audience was about 95% music critics.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:04 (five years ago) link
Trux were never exactly critical darlings (and the folks I knew who were heavily into the band were very far removed from the rockcrit scene).
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link
This accumulation of Trouser Press entries basically captures the "bemused, distanced half-appreciation" that was typical of even the band's "positive" reviews: http://trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=royal_trux
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
Accelerator was well-received in the UK, it got press attention in the NME and elsewhere IIRC
― Neil S, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:32 (five years ago) link
Good point, I’m coming at it from a U.S. perspective. (Didn’t Primal Scream pay tribute to that album somehow?)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link
If this is a publicity stunt, it's working like a charm. This is the most ILX has ever discussed Royal Trux
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link
accelerator was well-reviewed but by that point (turn of century) they were well consigned and probably resigned to being a minor indie phenomenon. the moment they had any buzz (and as noted, it was only ever a mild buzz, i remember even contemporaneous bands like urge overkill getting way more industry attention) was earlier, when they were signed to virgin.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
xp nah there were ~80 posts in the 9/4/2005 revive upthread :)
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:58 (five years ago) link
The recent Pavement vs. Royal Trux poll garnered tons of comments (and votes)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:06 (five years ago) link
(Trux lost, of course)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
Trux maybe peaked in terms of both mainstream and critical appeal w/Cats and Dogs, i remember a glowing review in Rolling Stone (during a time when that actually meant something). plus it was released at a peak era for alternative rock making more commercial waves, in the same month as Exile in Guyville, Saturation, Transmissions from the Satellite Heart, In on the Kill Taker, 14 Songs, and Souvlaki. I'd be willing to bet Trux sold less than any of them, and I actually doubt it was their biggest selling album, but I think they were at their most "respectable" during that moment.
― omar little, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
...or in Drag City's words, Do you remember the summer of '93? Our brief stay in Camelot.
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:27 (five years ago) link
i remember a glowing review in Rolling Stone
iirc that was SReynolds, who had already championed the previous couple/few records in the pages of Melody Maker.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link
I believe it was Jim Greer who had championed them (& pre-hype Pavement) much earlier in the mainstream press, the zines were all over the early Drag City catalog.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
Cats & Dogs is a brilliant, brilliant record
― my future think tank (stevie), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:15 (five years ago) link
"Alison Moyet, man." Graun interview worth it for that alone, but can't believe how bad the writing is at times, even resorting to the old "like x falling down a flight of stairs" cliche.
― Position Position, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:29 (five years ago) link
Sativa ftw
― ian, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:31 (five years ago) link
I'm on Team Neil, but he very well may "smoke too much weed" ;P
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:53 (five years ago) link
I've listened to White Stuff a good bit since Friday and it's steadily growing on me. Honestly just happy to hear those sloppily-intertwined voices together again on some new songs.
― InternationalWaters, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
funny, when I interviewed Neil via email for a PSF article back in 2015, I asked him about the 1990 tour when they were running drum loops behind live guitar/vox (as seen in the 'What Is Royal Trux' concert footage posted above), and he brought up Yaz as a reference point. Guess it had a bigger impact than I had assumed.
― whitehallunity, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
I'm trying to listen to White Stuff again... the drumming is, like, really bad.
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:49 (five years ago) link
The Trux concept c. "VOD" era was not supposed to extend to literally sounding like amateurish hair metal
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
Podcast interview with Jennifer. She explains leaving Drag City and a bit of personal history:http://vishkhanna.com/2019/03/06/ep-465-jennifer-herrema-of-royal-trux/
― Mike Dixn, Thursday, 7 March 2019 12:24 (five years ago) link
On first listen through this sounds fine to me; it's neither as good as Veterans of Disorder or Electric Brick Wall but it sits comfortably between the two, and I 100% have time for that kind of album
― space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:36 (five years ago) link
Amen
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
can't listen to that interview at work. what's the short version of her leaving drag city?
one thing notale about drag city is how much loyalty they seem to inspire. royal trux are exceptional in being long time or old time d.c. acts that have left the label not once but twice. cf. bill callahan and will oldham who have stuck with them for 25+ years despite surely getting lots of offers from bigger labels.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:26 (five years ago) link
*notable
Listening to the podcast now; Jennifer suggests that Drag City operates in some kind of groupthink fashion that was dragging them down (transcription is mine):
Neil and I have, like, all sorts of ideas[...] We don't want to be held down, we don't want to be told no, and we don't want to be on a label that's a collective mind. When we want to do something, we can't wait for the label to determine if everyone else wants to roll that way. We're autonomous, and always have been[...] They're the label, and we're the artist. It's more of a 'project' than a seriously functioning record label at this point.
She goes on to say that when she finally overcame her skepticism around streaming, and wanted Trux's stuff out there, she was frustrated by the politics around how Drag City was approaching it at the time.
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:29 (five years ago) link
huh. honestly it's hard to imagine any label satisfying her desire to roll with whatever they want to do.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
"they"
"our 2020 album will only be released on CD-ROM"
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:32 (five years ago) link
The specific incident she mentions is that she is/was pro-streaming and DC kept pushing back for months and then finally they acquiesced and let Royal Trux/RTX/Black Bananas be available on streaming sites and within a day or two the entire Drag City catalog started being available as well.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:33 (five years ago) link
The way I heard/understood it, it was only after they had left the label, and their catalog was made available by Fat Possum, that all the DC stuff also came online (which was the "irony" of the situation).
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:35 (five years ago) link
Haha, I def like the accuracy of your take better than my 1/2 of one ear semi-listening take.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:40 (five years ago) link
omg interviewer seriously just asked about "'white stuff' in terms of racism" I'm dying
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:01 (five years ago) link
Podcast interviews conducted via telephone are t-h-e W-O-R-S-T
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link
I don't know what the story is with Drag City; but when you consider that even Neil "noted he was 'overjoyed' not to be working with the band’s previous label" (per one of the interviews linked above) -- something definitely went bad there.
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
is your ejaculate racist y/n?
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:12 (five years ago) link
I'm kinda glad I heard this after all the Neil/Jennifer drama and read some of the negative reviews, since it set my expectations to a point where I really kinda liked it. It's not great, but not the Black Bananas redux I kinda feared. I still don't like the Kool Keith track and a few others, but "Suburban Junky Lady", "Every Day Swan" and "Whopper Dave" give me what I like.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 13:11 (five years ago) link
I agree, it's definitely a better album than what I / we had been led to believe
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 21:09 (five years ago) link
I think it's great fun. And it still feels like RT except for the Kool Keith track but I'm gonna guess that was Jennifer H's call so I'll give her that one weird outlier.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 23:38 (five years ago) link
THE 1987 ROYAL TRUX PINK CASSETTE HAS BEEN FOUND AND RIPPEDhttp://tinyurl.com/rtx1987
Just making my rounds passing this out. If you know anyone who's interested in hearing this pass it along.
― trux tracker (edges), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:00 (five years ago) link
/\ cassette rip credit goes to Concentric Circles on instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/concentric_circles_/
whoa
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:11 (five years ago) link
!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
Oh weird, vocal on "Gold Dust" almost sounds like Daniel Johnston. Wonder if this has been uploaded at the right speed. Can't really tell Neil and Jennifer apart! Nice find.
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link
Pretty sure it's ripped at the right speed. There was a 30 second clip released a year ago by another tape owner that sounds the same.
This is before Jennifer came into her rough vocal style. Just a kid at that point
― trux tracker (edges), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56462476_2039185006194155_3549618383689351168_n.jpg
― I am message board pro and respond when talked to (stevie), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link
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Priceless!
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link
Thanks for sharing the link to this demo; very cool.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:25 (five years ago) link
"Cut You Loose" and "Luminous Dolphin" sound like the same versions on Singles, Live, Unreleased -- yes?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:46 (five years ago) link
yes, and it seems like Bare Bones & Andersonville are the same as on the first LP.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:51 (five years ago) link
Just got to those (and agree).
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:56 (five years ago) link
This tape is really good... fills in the gaps without shattering any of the "mystique" (...we have White Stuff for that).
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:02 (five years ago) link
https://66.media.tumblr.com/3b75adfc25afacf8504374849a6cec6c/tumblr_pqqe78MU7T1rkya77o1_540.png
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
sounds like the NYC show has been canceled too
― tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
Looks like the whole tour has been axed.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
Ugh. Shouldn't be terribly surprised, but...
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
Definitely not surprised. Purchased the tix figuring that this would be the most likely conclusion TBH.
Still love that record tho.
― Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
hey they should have announced the tour was cancelled last june sorry they lied— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) April 29, 2019
― tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
Strange update. Facebook post by Jennifer
"So you wanna know....why? "TRUX BAND" Rehearsal ...waiting and on the huntfew day agohit this cover in 15....obv liberties were took"After the Fox" The Hollies / Peter Sellers"
https://www.stereogum.com/2041908/royal-trux-cancel-tour/news/
Permanent re-host of mp3: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aCaE-IRv7I6F_SnyCESMPQXKFY8pTQOb/view
― trux tracker (edges), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
I'm going to divert my Trux tix money toward the Flipper show.
I couldn't make it too far past "Is it the same guitarist on the Black Bananas album?" but if you want to hear Jennifer Herrema interviewed by Greg Gutfeld, here you gohttps://radio.foxnews.com/2019/04/03/royal-trux-black-bananas-with-jennifer-herrema/
― Mike Dixn, Friday, 3 May 2019 23:53 (four years ago) link
remember when they produced that make-up album? in mass mind? that record rules
― adam, Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
The interviewer there keeps the narrative about the '90s band's exemplary career path going. Who are we meant to compare them to, Motley Crue? There were tons of alternative aesthetic/indie bands who were in and out with major labels in the '90s; someone would have to explain to me how Royal Trux's arc was more admirable than another's
― timellison, Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
someone once said (or maybe wrote) that the Royal Trux major label deal was the only one in history in which you sympathized more in the end with the major label than with the band
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:46 (four years ago) link
wrong
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
(as usual)
wrong as in somebody didn't actually say that? I just mean I read that quote in a zine or something many years ago and it stuck with me. afaik the band were paid to not record a third album for Virgin and were subsequently able to buy a big house. Obviously it's probably a little more complicated than that but if you have any insider knowledge please do share, I'm just going by what I'd always heard. Seems like they did OK, even as far as ending up right back where they started on Drag City
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 May 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
Accelerator was the third album; Virgin declined it and Trux owned it under the deal, so were able to release it on DC.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Saturday, 4 May 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
Re: how successful they were or weren't back in the day, looks like their top-sellers were:Cats & Dogs - just north of 10KRoyal Trux and Thank You - a lil over 8KAccelerator - around 6500
Everything else under 5K.
To put this in perspective, all the early Smog records sold 10-15K... most Jesus Lizard records sold between 20-40K... Heck, Steven Jesse Bernstein's Prison sold 12K!
They were way more popular than Action Swingers and Helios Creed!
― mr.raffles, Monday, 6 May 2019 04:29 (four years ago) link
What are those, like, first-week numbers?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 6 May 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link
nope.
Total US Soundscan.
― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
As of what date? You’re telling me Accelerator has only sold 6500 copies in 20 years?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
sounds about right
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
Wikipedia sez there are 4,360 Title IV colleges/universities in the U.S.; so only 1.5 copies has sold per college since '99?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
not shocking, theyre like the definition of a band that's talked and written about disproportionately to their actual # of fans
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
i too find those numbers astonishing. i bought cats & dogs new, so i guess I'm included in that number! crazy.
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
How many copies has, like, Slanted & Enchanted sold?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
wikipedia says about S&E: As of 2007, the album has sold 150,000 copies.
sooo probably at least up to 200,000 by now? maybe more?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
As of 2015:
Studio albums/EPs:Slanted and Enchanted (1992, did not chart; 2002 reissue No. 152): 292,000Watery, Domestic EP (1992, did not chart): 38,000Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994, No. 121): 357,000Wowee Zowee (1995, No. 117): 179,000Brighten the Corners (1997, No. 70): 190,000Terror Twilight (1999, No. 95): 116,000
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
Compilations:Westing (By Musket & Sextant) (1993, did not chart): 71,000Quarantine the Past: The Best of Pavement (2010, No. 170): 30,000
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
source: https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/02/03/383507767/unfinished-business
(also includes Pixies & Sleater-Kinney)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
The numbers for those other bands are pretty much what I would have expected... it's startling to me that Trux's sales are so dramatically lower.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
I feel like Trux has always been way more niche than a lot of those other bands
― think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
Surprised to hear they were outsold that much by early Smog
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
What's astonishing to me is that anyone who's ever actually heard a Royal Trux "song" could be surprised at their sales figures.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
haha i love em but yeah
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
Seriously, we're in "Why didn't Boredoms' Pop Tatari go platinum?!? They were on a major label!" territory here.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
Royal Trux was always incredibly niche yeah, i mean even compared to some others mentioned upthread like Jesus Lizard (who appeared on some soundtracks and who certainly had a name that people were familiar with). i think their personalities are so strong and their image is so potent that they feel bigger than they actually ever were.
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
I never said I thought they should go platinum. I said I'm surprised that their albums only sold btw. 5k-10k copies.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
Love hearing these kinds of stats. It is a surprise to me that Accelerator isn't the biggest selling Trux. The other surprise (welcome in my case)is that Slanted and Enchanted has comfortably outsold Wowee Zowee and most other later period Pavement records. I think this is for one reason. It is better.
― Hinklepicker, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
My point was about their sales relative to early Smog. I would have assumed that Royal Trux had a higher media profile and visibility to what Bill Callahan was managing when he was putting out I Am Star Wars etc.
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
Does Soundscan track all sales? There may be indie store sales missing, which could be a decent additional percentage for Royal Trux but it’d be the same for other artists highlighted so all relative.
― michaellambert, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
Also mail order sales via Drag City (which is how I was buying DC product for a period, though I imagine it doesn't account for a massive % of sales)
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
And yes, I'm also surprised specifically that Bill Calla-who? outsells RTX
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
I'm amazed to see Bill Callahan is playing Edinburgh's Usher Hall this year, which holds 2,200.
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
Soundscan, like any sales tracking in this world, is imperfect. That said, we're comparing their Soundscan to other band's Soundscan #s, so, it's illuminating even if just in relation.
(Pop Tatari scanned around 11k btw)
― mr.raffles, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:15 (four years ago) link
For Pussy Galore related artists, they did way better than Action Swingers!Decimation Blvd. sold less than 750.
(that record is p cuckoo - every song sounds exactly alike and they mostly start off in the exact same way)
― mr.raffles, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:22 (four years ago) link
Please look up The Red Krayola’s Amor and Language (Drag City) and Run On’s Start Packing (Matador)
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:33 (four years ago) link
Haha, pretty sure I bought "Cats & Dogs" on cassette the week it came out, and to date it's the only Royal Trux I ever owned.
I saw a crazy Run On bill c. "Start Packing." It was Elliott Smith (solo) opening for Run On opening for Will Oldham (solo). I wonder how many records Palace, etc. has sold?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:53 (four years ago) link
I was just wondering about Palace, as a comparison point. I’m still flummoxed by those Trux numbers.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:56 (four years ago) link
It makes it all the more remarkable that Virgin signed them for a 3-album deal... their sales leading up to that were like a rounding error to a major label.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link
How many copies of Bleach did Nirvana sell before they were signed to DGC?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:59 (four years ago) link
40k acc. to SubPop
https://web.archive.org/web/20110606040005/http://www.subpop.com/channel/blog/20_year_old_bleach
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 May 2019 05:47 (four years ago) link
...and iirc, Nevermind initially shipped 50k (all without "Endless Nameless")
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 May 2019 06:01 (four years ago) link
I really don't think those Royal Trux numbers could possibly be correct.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:06 (four years ago) link
where is sic when we need him? surely he would have input here
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
any truxters here ever tried decrypting the song arrangements of Kool Down Wheels or Yin Jim? I'm a big Infinitives nerd and those songs bog my mind. No clue if there's like an obscured structure behind the haze or if it's intentionally drunk.
― trux tracker (edges), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link
They are correct. Via Soundscan. Just US though, not international.
Amor and Language is just over 600.Run On just over 1300.
Palace did 20-30K on their biggest, topping out at 29-32K with There Is No One... and Days In the Wake.
― mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 00:03 (four years ago) link
Maybe it's real! it is really strange to scroll through a bunch of Royal Trux tracks on Youtube and see about 100 views. It is crazy to think about the roster of early Drag City! I mean I guess it's not crazy, lots of labels started obtuse and stayed obtuse and just never became what Drag City became I guess
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 00:30 (four years ago) link
So did sales of Palace and Pavement CDs effectively subsidize the cost of releasing stuff that only sold a few hundred copies?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 00:36 (four years ago) link
Man, I haven't thought about Decimation Boulevard in forever. That was indeed an interesting record.
― timellison, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
I've brought this up on a few threads, but iirc it took 25 years for Never Mind the Bollocks to go platinum in the US. 25 years, for one of the most iconic, written-about bands and (major label!) albums of all time! I can only imagine what Big Star has sold, or Eno records, or the VU., or the Ramones, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:11 (four years ago) link
I don't really know how to type this in any tone that isn't an Eeyore voice but... I don't think that is what the future has in store for Royal Trux
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:28 (four years ago) link
Now I’m wondering how many copies were sold of the REALLY obscure-seeming records that I love.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 02:57 (four years ago) link
@morisp - ask!
So many of these records (Decimation Blvd. included) got played daily for months at the warehouse that I worked at back then that they all seemed like big hits to me. I hated a lot of them at the time, but now they're warm memories. haha Color me as surprised as anyone else with the low numbers!
Even Crunt (3.6K) was almost as popular as Royal Trux!All those Didjits records back then sold 1-3K.Looks like their popularity was most similar to Gastr Del Sol, who sold between 3-10K.
― mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:59 (four years ago) link
oops - morrisp
― mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:00 (four years ago) link
Yeah it’s always fascinating to see sales figures for bands like this.I think part of the thing that makes RT sales seem lower than you might think is how divisive they were/are. Like despite how much thy were written & talked about, even among the niche group of people who know them, doesn’t mean that they all actually them (& like them enough to buy records, at that)
― One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link
*”they all actually like them”, that is
― One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:11 (four years ago) link
Mr. Raffles — how about:Kissyfur, Frambuesa (Starlight Furniture Co., 1995)Chevy Heston, S/T (Cherrydisc, 1994)Lync, These Are Not Fall Colors (K Records, 1994)Btw, were most small record stores truly participating in SoundScan by the mid-‘90s? Could there be a whole strata of mom & pop, college-town sales not being captured by these numbers? Just curious...
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link
Other weird ones... Laughingstock looks like superstar sales compared to this, at +60K, while Bark Psychosis Hex sold 1/10th as well. Laughingstock even beat At Action Park by 10K... I'd bet that Shellac was in the lead there until at least the least 90s though. At least going by the record stores I was working at.
― mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:46 (four years ago) link
"Btw, were most small record stores truly participating in SoundScan by the mid-‘90s? Could there be a whole strata of mom & pop, college-town sales not being captured by these numbers? Just curious..."
100%. Soundscan was only ever an approximation. Since not everybody reported, certain stores would be weighted differently in the hopes that would get things closer to the actual number. Again though, the numbers certainly tell a tale in relation to other artists.
Kissyfur - around 100CH - over 150Lync - 3500 or so
The Frogs - It's Only Right and Natural to Starjob all did 5-10K.
― mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 04:10 (four years ago) link
yes! but the original idea as told to me by an early proto-Pavement band member was "they just want to sign bands they think are cool" (re: the two Dans) - so really they just lucked out with Pavement and later Palace.
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 10 May 2019 04:23 (four years ago) link
Someone said on another ILM thread that the 2 Dans were prescient in fostering artists who continue to make music today (Callahan, Jen Trux, Neil Trux, Malkmus, Oldham, Berman(?), Mantis (jk)...)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 May 2019 04:50 (four years ago) link
fwiw re Soundscan figures, this from an article from 1995:
Shalett makes one important concession: certain very small indie releases, albums that sell in the 15,000 to 20,000 range, might not get fairly counted in the system. "Something very, very street--like a rap record sold out of barbershops--we're not going to count fully, and we never will be able to." This may be why an album like Operation Ivy, from the Berkeley indie label Lookout (the original home of Green Day), has sold, according to Lookout's Molly Neuman, 100,000 copies over the last four years, while SoundScan has it down for only 5,000. Tiny labels that sell a disproportionate number of vinyl records, that don't use bar codes, or that do business by mail order escape SoundScan's radar as well.
also Never Mind The Bollocks took 15 years to go platinum not 25
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 10 May 2019 07:15 (four years ago) link
from a UK perspective i saw royal trux play a little while after cats and dogs came out and they half filled the upstairs room in a pub
At the same time fugazi or pavement could fill the local 850 capacity venue. thee headcoats, make up, jsbx or lois maffeo could fill the pub room i saw royal trux in. palace brothers on their first uk tour probably 2/3 filled a similar room
royal trux stunk when i saw them live. i don't mean they played bad i mean they literally smelled like they hadn't bathed for a month
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 10 May 2019 08:39 (four years ago) link
xpost 15 years, 25 years ... it took a while!
I wonder how stuff like, say, Labradford sold on Kranky? I assume Deerhunter is their top-seller? What does/did a band like Low sell?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 11:44 (four years ago) link
This news simultaneously makes no sense and makes total sense (inasmuch as I don't know anyone irl who likes or listens to Trux who didn't have the band foisted upon them by me).
― Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 11:49 (four years ago) link
(And I was under the mistaken impression that they were terrible for quite a long time.)
― Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 11:52 (four years ago) link
LOL
― One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link
I saw Trux fill good-sized clubs.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
Of all the bands of that era, Trux are the one I currently like the least. I honestly think my wearing-out on them was this seemingly arbitrary canonization of Twin Infinitives, which is a bad, bad, bad album. Maybe the worst album. It’s the aural equivalent of Harmony Korine making Gummo, and while Gummo was being edited, Harmony turned on a camcorder and spent a week kicking it around the parking lot of the editing suite, and called the resultant footage “More Gummo”
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
Never understood the Twin Infinitives pedestal. Pretty much everything they released subsequently blows it clear out of the water.
― Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
Or at least from Cats and Dogs on. Not crazy about the second s/t, either, myself.
― Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
In New York, Chicago, San Francisco or L.A.?
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:22 (four years ago) link
Yes, two of those cities. I don’t get the “Gummo” comparison at all...
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
idk I've felt like Gummo and early Royal Trux share an aesthetic thesis is all
― twink infinitives (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
I saw Pavement with Royal Trux in a (sold-out) 600-ish(?) capacity club at the height of both bands' live popularity (Wowee-Zowee/Brighten The Corners + Thank You/Sweet Sixteen):
https://i.imgur.com/Xzfqw22.jpg
You could move around pretty freely during the show, I took some great pics of Jen/Neil that I can't find anymore. It was about 90F+ in the club and Jen was wearing a puffy Raiders snow parka with matching Raiders snow beanie with a big pom-pom on top.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
Not sure how to account for my fondness for Twin Infinitives. It’s certainly unique. I like it sonically.
― timellison, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
yeah I'm a fan as well, there are some good tunes in there (i.e. side 4, and 'Chances Are The Comets') and as you note the sound is unique
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
I also think Twin Infinitives is a cool/unique album... and I'm particularly fond of the posthumous Trux release Hand of Glory, which draws from the same recordings.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
heyyyy i was at the hollywood palace pavement / trux show. fun times. wasn't really familiar with royal trux and they were scary!
― tylerw, Friday, 10 May 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
Pink x Trux
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
After several listens, "White Stuff" has gone from 'surprisingly decent comeback album' to 'top 5 material'
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
xp Pretty "funny" how the promo shot is just Jessica & AP.
― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 19:35 (four years ago) link
Also, I admit that White Stuff is somewhat better than I initially took it to be... It's still a self-derivative retread with thin songwriting, but other "reunited" bands have done worse, I guess.
― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
Hmm ok
http://larecord.com/interviews/2019/11/15/royal-trux-jennifer-herrema-interview-jed-maheu
― jaywbabcock, Saturday, 16 November 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
Wow, a lot of interesting stuff in there... thanx for posting.
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link
(Btw, Jay — Arthur Nights in 2006 was the coolest festival ever, I really enjoyed it!)
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
great interview!
― Book Doula (sleeve), Sunday, 17 November 2019 03:17 (four years ago) link
The guy mentioned not by name in the first long paragraph sounds awfully like a stylist I used to work with who dabbles in some label stuff...
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 17 November 2019 07:08 (four years ago) link
404 not found
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 17 November 2019 11:41 (four years ago) link
https://web.archive.org/web/20191116054134/http://larecord.com/interviews/2019/11/15/royal-trux-jennifer-herrema-interview-jed-maheu
― Kim Kimberly, Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:39 (four years ago) link
we’re not allowed to have a manager or anything at Drag City—you’re not allowed to have anybody work for you at Drag City.
?!
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
Never got into Royal True, but that's a great interview.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:50 (four years ago) link
Why was it taken down?
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
the site itself is down
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
Ah. Rock n roll
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
I feel like I have already read three different versions of that interview.
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
I really want to know more about their specific issues with Drag City. That's the second time they've thrown a pretty wild (and weird) accusation at them, which not only doesn't seem to jibe with the label's rep but also seems weird considering how many artists cultivate (seemingly) really solid long term relationships with them.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
we’re not allowed to have a manager or anything at Drag City—you’re not allowed to have anybody work for you at Drag City.?!
LOL yeah so weird. When I read that I wondered if that was something like she had expected Drag City to pay for their manager or something.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 18 November 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
I’ve done a real 180 on White Stuff... now I rate it above Pound for Pound (already my least favorite Trux LP), as well as — why not? — the 2nd half of VoD.
― hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:45 (four years ago) link
Love the bit where they're threatening Robert E Lee. Weird to see them kind of engaging with the world.
I was very skeptical of the album based on the videos/singles but the whole thing works very nicely. I even came around to the Kool Keith song which I couldn't stand initially.
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:58 (four years ago) link
I still skip that one after a minute or so 😬
― hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:16 (four years ago) link
Quantum Entanglement, the best-of comp that Fat Possum issued on vinyl for RSD, now seems to be generally available on other platforms.
― Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp), Sunday, 5 January 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
Interesting tracklist? Points off for starting off a comp with a song that’s also track 1 on the LP it’s taken from (that’s kind of a party foul, IMO):01. I’m Ready02. Waterpark03. Ray O Vac04. The Spectre05. Platinum Tips06. Stevie (For Steven S.)07. Sunshine and Grease08. Stop09. Liar10. The Flag11. Junkie Nurse12. Call Out The Lions13. White Stuff14. Shockwave Rider
― Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp), Sunday, 5 January 2020 22:55 (four years ago) link
no Back To School, no credibility
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 5 January 2020 23:13 (four years ago) link
It’s actually a pretty crummy tracklist IMO
― Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp), Sunday, 5 January 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
It's ok but a bit lol
― PLEB AF (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 6 January 2020 08:06 (four years ago) link
the whole idea of a RTX "greatest hits" is lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link
When I personally consider that this is their best release, maybe it's not so lol?:
https://www.discogs.com/Royal-Trux-Singles-Live-Unreleased/release/1063963
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
Has there ever been a thread for weakest/least-representative “best of” comps? This would be a contender imo
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
Admittedly a band to sum up in14 tracks but still
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link
*a hard band to sum up
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
at least it has "Ray O Vac", the closest they came to a would-be hit imo (had anyone cared)
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
My first exposure to Trux was via a mixtape that a friend loaned me (a friend of hers and made it for her). I remember it had “Ray-O-Vac,” “Strawberry Soda Pop,” etc. I was like — LOL, ok. Then I heard ”Morphic Resident“ on a CMJ mix; bought Sweet Sixteen as soon as it came out; and was obsessed with it.
― BeerAdvocate in the streets, Wookiepedia in the sheets (morrisp), Monday, 6 January 2020 17:17 (four years ago) link
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, January 6, 2020 11:38 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
"faca amolada" should be on that greatest 'hits'
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 January 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link
Oh, I loved that. Think I had it on a 7" bootleg because it was actually a Peel Sessions recording.
― timellison, Monday, 6 January 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
If I had to pick one Trux release to accompany me on a desert island, it would be Singles/Live/Unreleased. It's the whole enchilada.
Anyone else take umbrage at that lame Quietus review of Quantum Entanglement a few weeks ago?
― InternationalWaters, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 14:17 (four years ago) link
Neil Hagerty, patreon post:
"sad anniversary
This marks two years since I had to pull the plug on Royal Trux again, may-be it was the 9th time. That year, I got an extra 10K to finish a session then I left the studio with what was supposed to be an entire LP of finished LP tracks sitting there to melt. Once the deal got started, April to June this time of year, every person who was around the last time I pulled the plug re-appeared from Orange County, Chicago & Mississippi and I was me against 21 dudes.
I said I’d do the record if we had a producer who had the final say on everything, band members only in the studio and the record was only the songs totally finished by a certain date. Nothing got worked out and it was a debacle the whole time. I left on the date we had agreed on.
So all them took it over and spiked me, then now the UK groups in publishing and marketing also get involved and they steamrolled the release without me hearing any of the tracks. They tried to do the band without me but that didn’t work then offered me money to do a tour. I ended up paying someone 3000$ to not have to speak to anyone involved again. Meanwhile they’re putting out old re-releases and I get nothing for that.
1 year ago, after they torpedoed the trux thing fat possum came back and said they'd let me do a record to come out in the fall of ’19 and they would back the record up with tour support and so on. They buried the record this may I think and still owe me 17K in unpaid invoices for travel, show expenses, sessions, musicians, artwork. The publishing company offered me 0$ for it. That’s 0$ I came away with for all the songs I wrote for the trux record and the solo record.
This is the work that I do and I don’t get to choose the 2 bosses who i work for but if things go bad they blame the musicians & listeners have no sympathy. Things get contorted.
All I know is to stay on the path my father set me on, keep working to get very good at a few things, don't listen to white lies, you can't go wrong with a song-- no one else ever had better advice for me."
― Mike Dixn, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:27 (three years ago) link
Came here to post this, lol
― Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 12 June 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
Clearly Neil was not happy with the way the Trux reunion was working out and was never really comfortable with it in the first place, so I'm not surprised that went to shit.
Interesting to hear him dog on Fat Possum now too. Wasn't part of the reason he was excited about Fat Possum was that he hated how Drag City treated him?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 June 2020 18:36 (three years ago) link
Considering how he did press for the recent Hex album, it was reviewed in Pitchfork, etc., I’m not sure how it was “buried” more than any random Drag City release.
― Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 12 June 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link
Obviously there is a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about and it's not like there is any reliable narrator in the Trux universe, but it reads a little bit like Neil has some unrealistic expectations of what a label might do for him given that he's starting to say the same things about Fat Possum that he said about Drag City (which still surprises me, because I can't remember hearing other artists with similar complaints).
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 June 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
It was convenient for Neil to blame the collapse of the industry on his label (who are basically saints imho).
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link
(that could be directed at either FP or DC)
I don't know much about Fat Possum, but Drag City always struck me as really supportive of their artists. Considering the, we'll go with eccentric (or finicky) artists that have stuck with them for decades in some cases, it's hard to take Neil's complaints about them too seriously.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link
He should re-sign with Virgin!
― Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
tbf it's hard to top a label that pays you not to make an album
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Friday, 12 June 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
i don't know if it's their best album but "pound for pound" probably has the most tasty riffs out of the rtx catalog. just in the first three songs, you've got the sweet lead part on "call out the lions," the little woody woodpecker riff on "fire hill," and basically all of the guitar parts in "platinum tips"
― na (NA), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
https://audius.co/therealroyaltrux/otr-edit-mix-428042"The Real Royal Trux" rehearsal jam sounds suspiciously like Black Bananas studio jams, but what do I know.Also, I think NMH might be done with music forever. Patreon output lately is mostly early morning snapshots of Denver sidewalk garbage and occasional plugs for the board games.
These two never stop being hard to figure.
― Mike Dixn, Sunday, 6 June 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link
I just quit (“paused”) my Pateon payments. Where/when is this jam from(?)
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 6 June 2021 22:43 (two years ago) link
I'm on-again off-again with Neil's patreon output. Confusing mess of unexplained scribble art, deep concept/no concept video essays, and 12 minute long noise floor recordings. All called 'Amusements' but I think he's fulfilled the literal form of "He could fart into a mic and I'd buy it". All said, I'm still obsessed with everything he does. I want good things for him. I hope the Virgin money is still paying his rent or something.
Side crud: I'm a lonely trux fan searching for buds. DM me with whatever service you're on and let's talk.
Food for convo: The Best Of record is a big source of inspiration for me. Multiple layers going on with it. The overall New Border Sound genre he concocted. The sense that he's simplified the songwriting down to (my words:) "Three Crayons" ie artistic restrictions: Every drum pattern is texmex Bom-chacha Bom-chacha, every guitar solo just fuzzy single note hammer-ons, etc. Don't have to ask himself what choice to make, it's predetermined.
I wish the White Stuff era didn't interrupt Hex and Bananas. Hex's Denver, along with the 7"s (Butterfly/Party Shoes are you kidding me) and Banana's expected next album after the SpyderBrain/Margaritas 7", -- Both bands were in their absolute best of times. I'm glad I got to see Trux live in 17, but the following White Stuff garbage just wrecked both parties.
― trux tracker (edges), Wednesday, 7 July 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link
I agree about Best Of (though not really about White Stuff; I feel like he had kind of played the Hex thing out by that point).
There's some related discussion here: new Howling Hex / Neil Hagerty brings the funk!
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 July 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
ASSASSINATION THREATSWON'T GET ME DOWN
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 12 August 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link
I don't think I can conceive of a better rock & roll recording than "Golden Rules." Also, the entirety of Sweet Sixteen!
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 12 August 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link
if it rocks, put it on the tableIf it rolls, put it in the hole
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 12 August 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
https://ibb.co/Pcp8Hkc
― Mike Dixn, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 03:07 (two years ago) link
proof of life
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 13:46 (two years ago) link
haha good to see — he's been MIA on the Denver scene for the past few years (even pre-pandemic). I assume he's still here, I think that's a rocky mountain chocolate factory bear.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/3-denver-police-officers-injured-suspect-neil-hagerty-arrested/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 15 April 2023 00:23 (one year ago) link
3 Denver police officers injured, suspect Neil Hagerty arrested https://t.co/bdCMqYr8cF pic.twitter.com/nmaZeVCYzS— CBSColorado (@CBSNewsColorado) April 14, 2023
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 15 April 2023 00:24 (one year ago) link
Holy shit
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 15 April 2023 00:26 (one year ago) link
More detailed report here
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 15 April 2023 00:30 (one year ago) link
"The suspect in this case has the same date of birth, full name and eye color as the famous musician."
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 15 April 2023 00:31 (one year ago) link
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 April 2023 02:10 (one year ago) link
feel bad for the dude but anyone who tries to slit a cop's throat with their own badge is a fucking hero in my book. they shoulda sent social workers.
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Saturday, 15 April 2023 02:11 (one year ago) link
Goddamn I got the sense he wasn't in great shape but this is heartbreaking
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 April 2023 02:17 (one year ago) link
It really has me shook. He cut the one cop on the throat, and tried to grab the other one’s weapon… I’m grateful he is alive tonight
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 15 April 2023 02:24 (one year ago) link
Yes, it's kind of amazing (and very fortunate) he wasn't killed. Hope he's OK
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 15 April 2023 02:28 (one year ago) link
yeah, it could be way worse. still, this is terribly sad news. i also began to worry after his socials disappeared, covid time, etc. ugh.
― sknybrg, Saturday, 15 April 2023 02:29 (one year ago) link
xxp again, cops should never ever be the first responders to a "wellness check", they don't know how to do anything other than escalate
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Saturday, 15 April 2023 02:50 (one year ago) link
and ofc the only reason dude is alive right now is because he's white, yeah
I mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QnPFfqVwT0
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Saturday, 15 April 2023 03:59 (one year ago) link
oh jeez.
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Saturday, 15 April 2023 08:10 (one year ago) link
was cranking Thank You in the car yesterday, the soloing on Shadow Of The Wasp is just majestic
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Saturday, 15 April 2023 08:11 (one year ago) link
So wild. And sad.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 15 April 2023 11:45 (one year ago) link
Glad he's uninjured, hope he's OK, and in awe of how good that mug shot looks tbh
― the banshees of ed sheeran (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 15 April 2023 12:58 (one year ago) link
JH on FB
― jaywbabcock, Saturday, 15 April 2023 14:49 (one year ago) link
idk if healing energy and posi vibes are gonna help as much as a good lawyer?
― sarahell, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:30 (one year ago) link
i am reminded now of the time I booked JH at my diy warehouse venue when we were basically one "complaint" away from being shut down by the City ... that was a tense night
― sarahell, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link
just based on that fb post alone jh seems like an awful person
― ꙮ (map), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link
Why?
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link
Yeah, why? I'm sure they're former business partners more than actual friends, but that post isn't shitty at all.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link
I mean they were married
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
given everything that went down over the years though I'd imagine it's more a deeply shared trauma which is better way to describe RT than a business
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link
true
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link
It's nice to read all the comments under her post (including a few names I recognize). I reached out to a few folks last nite, but I feel like the RT "fan community" is thinned out & atomized, so it's heartening to see ppl come together in one place like that (the few tweets I was seeing were snarky and unhelpful). I'm not on FB so don't usually see what happens there.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:31 (one year ago) link
I am hopeful that someone in a position to get money/help to him will set up a fund or other initiative to make that happen.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
listening to Accelerator right now, what an incredible album
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link
all time
― brimstead, Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
it's heartening to see ppl come together in one place like that (the few tweets I was seeing were snarky and unhelpful). I'm not on FB so don't usually see what happens there.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, April 15, 2023 11:31 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
For all of its drawbacks Facebook at least is less of a descent into hell competition to see who can be the most snarky about a terrible irl situation.
Bad news obv, really had no idea he was in a place that would have led to this.
― omar little, Saturday, 15 April 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link
I've been an on-off Patreon supporter of his and uh... man have y'all see his uploads from the past few years? He's always ridden the line between genius and insane but his patreon is really strange. Filming a bandaid on the wall and layering 5 rambling voice recordings on top. I don't know.
And there were some replies to the denver police twitter post saying 'he's been a nuisance to our neighbors'.
He needs to get off the legal weed and have someone who cares for him to support him. Doesn't he have a daughter? Just wild. I want good things for Neil.
― trux tracker (edges), Sunday, 16 April 2023 00:40 (one year ago) link
I was so close to seeing Denver album Hex in Dallas but it got cancelled for the new Trux album. Really beat up about that loss.
I'm sure I've already said once above I felt the new Trux record halted both Hex and Bananas at their strongest moments. I think Bananas is working on new shit, I saw them in Denton and they were fucking strong.
I hope Knuckleball isn't the last Neil offering. I hope the Trux catalog gets into the right label's hands and we finally get Outtakes, Alternates, & Practice Jams on a 3 vinyl set lol. And Sweet Sixteen. I'm gonna need a 4 terabyte large 'Twin Infinitives Sessions Uncut' pretty please.
― trux tracker (edges), Sunday, 16 April 2023 00:50 (one year ago) link
and those 3 mail-order tapes from 1997 too plz
again I'm sure the dude is having a hard time, but I wish that social workers had responded instead of cops. I know that Denver is trying: https://conversableeconomist.com/2022/06/10/cahoots-in-denver-experimenting-with-alternatives-to-police/
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Sunday, 16 April 2023 01:01 (one year ago) link
I want good things for Neil.
and this, yeah.
another recent anecdote from FB:
"Saw Neil Michael Hagerty open for Circuit Des Yeux in Denver in 2018, was a pretty out there performance. People were quite puzzled. Maybe a year before that though he played one of the stranger shows I've ever seen, on the second floor of a French wine bar on South Broadway in the middle of the afternoon with all the window blinds closed. With a small band that played a very peculiar style of almost Ranchera type instrumental music. Neil played hidden behind a Japanese screen, and then talked about brunch a lot in-between songs. But then, he talked about brunch in-between songs at the CDY show too. He was looking good though both times, sad to see this photo going around. The last few years have been hard on people, hope he is able to get it together."
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Sunday, 16 April 2023 01:03 (one year ago) link
I felt the new Trux record halted both Hex and Bananas at their strongest moments.Can’t speak to Jennifer, but by the time White Stuff came out, Neil had slowed down significantly – it had been 3 years since Denver, and the last Hex album was 3 years prior to that.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Sunday, 16 April 2023 04:16 (one year ago) link
(FWIW, I have a soft spot for White Stuff… due to recency, it’s the Trux album I’m most likely to reach for (including earlier today). Even retread Trux beats most bands at their prime… and I actually do like it a bit better, on its own merits, than P4P and the 2nd half of VoD.)
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Sunday, 16 April 2023 04:48 (one year ago) link
I dig White Stuff. A member of Royal Trux is probably pretty high up on the list of people you do not want as neighbors. Possible poll?
Sorry, I don’t mean to make light of the situation, I hope he gets help. That is an amazing beard tho.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 16 April 2023 11:54 (one year ago) link
It’s not totally clear if the guy on the DPD Twitter thread is in fact referring to Neil (some other dude thought he meant a guy named Joel).
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Sunday, 16 April 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link
Woof. I didn’t even recognize him from his mugshot.
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 16 April 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link
Denver DA Charges Neil Hagerty with Assaulting a Peace Officer
― jaywbabcock, Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link
Charges sound fairly serious. I wonder what kind of representation he has (public defender?)
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link
I don't think the dude's even on a record label anymore, and I have the impression (from a few places) that he's cut various personal ties over the past few years... I hope he has someone in his corner.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link
Yeah, hoping for the best for him, sounds like he's hit a really rough patch. Hard to read between the lines with the cops' version of events, seems weird that Hagerty would just seemingly come out of nowhere to rip the badge off, and I'm speculating here, but can't help but wonder what the outcome would have been had we lived in a country where trained mental health professionals responded to this instead of cops.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:36 (one year ago) link
The story is totally weird... but considering they apparently didn't end up shooting him or anything (thank god), I'm not sure what incentive they would have to tell a CYA-type story(?) Like even if the cops had initiated the contact (and did it poorly), wouldn't they at least say he was resisting arrest or something? I say this not b/c I'm Mr. Trust-a-Cop, but rather b/c (in trying to make sense of it) my fear is that the narrative may be accurate, and that it illustrates how seriously bad his state of mind may be.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:59 (one year ago) link
Yeah, you may be right. I'm just naturally distrustful of cop pushed narratives, it's just weird that it doesn't really explain whether the initial call even had anything to do with Hagerty or if he just burst out onto something else? Can't help but speculate a little since I'm concerned for him.
I will say I don't think he looks that great in his mugshot, he looks a little scared and confused to me.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:03 (one year ago) link
They said they were making a "welfare check." Not sure I'd ever want the police to come check on my welfare.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link
Not sure I'd ever want the police to come check on my welfare.
I am very certain I would not want the police to come check on my welfare, unless I was being held hostage by other men with guns, and then it would basically be a shitshow no matter what.
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:16 (one year ago) link
My mind keeps going (perhaps needlessly) to an old interview where NMH used the phrase "suicide by cop" – as a metaphor, to refer to a band member who purposefully got himself fired – and that increases my concern.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:19 (one year ago) link
also the charges are ridiculous ... like a cop, with a gun, "fearing for his life" because someone threw a bottle or a rock at him ... ugh, fuck cops.
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:21 (one year ago) link
like, if it were actually serious, there would be mention of the assaulted officer being hospitalized and to which hospital supportive members of the public can send flowers ...and how the department wishes Officer whatever a speedy recovery.
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:23 (one year ago) link
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Friday, April 14, 2023 7:50 PM (six days ago)
OTM
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link
all cops are liars and should never ever be believed for any reason
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:27 (one year ago) link
kind of blows my mind that I even have to reiterate this common knowledge
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:28 (one year ago) link
IM thread w/ sarahell, reposting for the lols
basically this is why legal aid is important
because this is total bullshit
i am sure the cops know it
it's like, "uh, we fucked up, but hey, we're cops!"
You sent"better make some shit up"
i mean, if it was a random person, and not a cop ... it would have been an unpleasant situation but they would have just walked away
You sentwell the wellness check was called in, but social services should have responded
like, say, it was a neighbor dude ...
You sentlol this gets into our ACAB corrolary (sp?) which is "never call them"
two dudes get in a fight, one gets a scratch and a button ripped off his shirt ... does anyone get arrested?
no, it's not worth the energy
but because it's a cop and his omg his badge!
You sentbadg is sacredbadg is greatif u touch badgwe get quite irate
it's like his ballsac
You sentlolol otm
the gun is the dick, the badge is the ballsac
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:46 (one year ago) link
in conclusion, ACAB and NMH is a hero
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:47 (one year ago) link
Maybe a year before that though he played one of the stranger shows I've ever seen, on the second floor of a French wine bar on South Broadway in the middle of the afternoon with all the window blinds closed. With a small band that played a very peculiar style of almost Ranchera type instrumental music. Neil played hidden behind a Japanese screen, and then talked about brunch a lot in-between songs.
i saw this show! was not what i expected at all but felt really special. i'd say there were 6-7 people there
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 20 April 2023 21:43 (one year ago) link
you were there? i was there, too! Or at least I was at the show referred to ... it was like a NMH afternoon residency for a little while. and yeah it was very weird.
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 April 2023 21:44 (one year ago) link
pee is stored in the badge
― the banshees of ed sheeran (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link
I'm fairly sure this was the last time he played L.A. (I was there, as usual). It was similar to the set seen here.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link
(I've always enjoyed these two semi-professional live clips from around the same time)
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:23 (one year ago) link
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:40 (one year ago) link
Kinda gross to be celebrating this event... I don't know the details but a welfare check at 12:30am is most likely noise and/or domestic violence. Friends mentioned he still lives with his wife & daughter, so I wouldn't rush to call Neil a hero, I'd rather hear the whole background first. Like others have said upthread, he's lucky he's white... many less privileged folks die everyday in this country over far less. He needs serious help.
TW, have you heard any details?
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 20 April 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link
my central point is that the cops should not have been the first responders and almost certainly made things worse, given that yes I find his actions inspiring although staggeringly reckless and tbh privileged as I already noted upthread
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Friday, 21 April 2023 00:09 (one year ago) link
xxp Policing isn't even in the top 25 most dangerous jobs in the United States, ffs.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 21 April 2023 00:52 (one year ago) link
The cops in this situation haven't claimed they "feared for their lives" (yet / as far as we know), or were seriously injured. This is all the DPD said in its statement (issued the same day as the arrest):
The three officers involved suffered cuts and abrasions during the struggle. All have been released from the hospital.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Friday, 21 April 2023 16:43 (one year ago) link
you were there? i was there, too! Or at least I was at the show referred to ... it was like a NMH afternoon residency for a little while. and yeah it was very weird.― tylerw, Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― tylerw, Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
well, i attended one of those shows, at least, perhaps not the same one
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 21 April 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
xp - okay, but the thing is ... like, dudes get in a fight and a few dudes get "cuts and abrasions" ... generally they walk away and go "fuck that dude" and that's that. But, because one of the dudes was a cop ... I mean, are we just talking past each other here? Or are there folks on this thread who are actually pro-cop?
― sarahell, Friday, 21 April 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link
This wasn't a "fight," I don't know what to tell you. My concern is his condition / state of mind, and how serious trouble he may be in. If we're going to talk about the charges, may as well be accurate.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Friday, 21 April 2023 20:48 (one year ago) link
(and ppl do get charged with assault in "fight" situations, fwiw)
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Friday, 21 April 2023 20:50 (one year ago) link
I wonder if we’ll see bodycam footage of the arrest?
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 22 April 2023 11:55 (one year ago) link
Is there a way to find out what happened at yesterday's advisement hearing? Apparently that's when bond is set.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link
Here is the Denver County Court case history, looks like bond was set for $500?
https://public.denvercountycourt.org/Case/CaseHistory?CaseNumber=23CR02253
― np (nphominoid), Saturday, 22 April 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link
Here's a GoFundMe for Neil's legal defence and mental health help: https://www.gofundme.com/f/suk3t-neil-hagerty-mental-health-legal-defense
― Murgatroid, Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:21 (one year ago) link
Thx, just saw Jennifer tweet that (Gerald Cosloy, First donation).$500 bond seems reassuringly low.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link
Looking through the names of folks donating, hard not to fantasize about what a kickass benefit EP they could record if they somehow got together in a studio.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 22:49 (one year ago) link
Bummer revive, I know, but I've listened to more Royal Trux in the last couple days than I have in decades. Gotta come up w/ a POX...
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 23 April 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link
really glad people are focusing on the legal defense/mental health support fundraising ... my instinct is that the bail was set so low because the charges are mostly bullshit, but we can save the ACAB discussion for another thread
― sarahell, Sunday, 23 April 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link
couple of good things if y'all haven't seen them yet — three lobed is donating all proceeds from the (great) hagerty-toth band record to the gofundme: http://threelobed.com/tlr/tlr115.html
same goes for this killer hagerty / ryley walker / ryan jewell collab: https://ryleywalker.bandcamp.com/album/fried-in-denver
― tylerw, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:27 (one year ago) link
and yeah, that $500 bail got my hopes up that maybe it won't be quite as bad for NMH as those charges looked (though I really don't know much about how all this works)
― tylerw, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link
thanks for sharing these Tyler, I've just picked up a copy of the Hagerty-Toth Band record, which I hadn't heard about, sounds like it should be great!
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 24 April 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
That one is great, I’ve never heard of the other thing, gonna pick it up now…
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Monday, 24 April 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link
Auction for Hagerty-Toth Band test pressing to raise funds for NH's GoFundMe:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166050120840
― High School Hospital, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 10:58 (eleven months ago) link
Here’s a question for those in the know: is there much out there (ie formally released, not bootleg) of live Neil solo stuff from any era?
If not, putting out the best of that might be a good way to raise money for him if a label could swing it.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:30 (eleven months ago) link
NMH is one of those totemic indie figures who I’ve just not gotten ‘round to in a meaningful way (including Pussy Galore and Royal Trux, and it’s embarrassing to admit that it’s only starting to happen now.
BUT:
That self-titled album of his from 2003 is the one I own and know inside and out. Brilliant and confounding, with tunes that pop up on the mental jukebox at random moments.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:33 (eleven months ago) link
Raymond: you might be interested in this--
https://www.discogs.com/master/594330-Neil-Michael-Hagerty-The-Howling-Hex-The-Hildreth-Tapes
― High School Hospital, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:35 (eleven months ago) link
Sorry, this is the record I meant
https://www.discogs.com/master/316960-Neil-Michael-Hagerty-The-Howling-Hex-The-Howling-Hex
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:36 (eleven months ago) link
Thanks HSH, will look into it!
I'm seeing a "campaign not found" msg re NMH from gofundme. Uh oh. I was wondering if this might happen given that gofundme "prohibits raising money for the legal defense of an alleged violent crime." I don't know if that's what is happening here — I hope not.
― jaywbabcock, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 13:52 (eleven months ago) link
xxp Raymond that is the best one imho
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:02 (eleven months ago) link
xp Oh shit
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:15 (eleven months ago) link
It was up to over $34K last night
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:18 (eleven months ago) link
JH says on her FB post linking to the gofundme campaign: "The LINK is being updated..... PLEASE CHECK BACK LATER"
― jaywbabcock, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 22:58 (eleven months ago) link
oh phew... fingers crossed it's all good
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 23:03 (eleven months ago) link
speaking to the concerns abt the charges, as one of the seemingly few ppl itt who has dealt with cops/system in adversarial circumstances as an activist, it is v common for prosecutors to overcharge so that defendants plea out rather than go to trial, this is a cheat tactic to make their conviction rates look good, everybody does it
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 01:02 (eleven months ago) link
also $35K is very encouraging
JH says on FB: "Terri (Neil's wife) has to change some of the language.... The lawyers are looking it over and should have updated link sooner than later 🙂 Thanks to Everybody xxx"
― jaywbabcock, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 15:04 (eleven months ago) link
good news!
another way to help out: https://www.ebay.com/itm/166050120840
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 15:06 (eleven months ago) link
That one jumped up out of my price range (a good thing!) but I did order a regular copy from Three Lobed to help out a little bit.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 15:08 (eleven months ago) link
― jaywbabcock, Wednesday, April 26, 2023 8:04 AM (one hour ago
what a relief!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 16:31 (eleven months ago) link
I attended Neil Hagerty's court hearing in Denver this morning. Not much info, but a few updates:- Neil was not present, but his wife+lawyers were- His attorneys say he is still not in a state to be advised/testify- Neil is still in custody- Preliminary trial is set for 5/8— Aaron Dooley (@Aye_Doolz) April 27, 2023
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 April 2023 16:50 (eleven months ago) link
Oh man, that's hard to hear
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 27 April 2023 16:59 (eleven months ago) link
:(
welp, this sucks on the NMH front. pic.twitter.com/DSSqg5c3tB— QueenCityJamz (@QueenCityJamz) May 4, 2023
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:02 (eleven months ago) link
Damn, that sucks. Hoping they get a new one up soon that focuses on the mental health help, guessing this is a result of the issue with not being able to raise funds for legal defense of a "violent" crime.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:10 (eleven months ago) link
Shit yeah just saw that in my inbox as well
― omar little, Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:13 (eleven months ago) link
New donation link: https://www.givesendgo.com/NeilHagertyAdditionally, Jennifer Herrema; Neil’s Royal Trux partner and family friend, has donated a free download of an audio track that combines 4 years of singular audio tracks Neil has posted to his Patreon subscribers. The combined tracks highlight Neil’s creativity while illuminating his disconnected mental state.
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 15:51 (eleven months ago) link
(I haven’t seen my GoFundMe donation refunded yet…)
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 15:56 (eleven months ago) link
FYI, I reached out to GoFundMe to ask about it; somewhat strangely, the chat agent asked me to confirm I wanted to refund my donation ("Keep in mind that if we issue a refund, this can not be reversed"). I said yes (so I can donate to the new fund)... not sure why some are being automatically refunded and not others.
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 16:36 (eleven months ago) link
some went through before it got pulled, apparently
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:16 (eleven months ago) link
from jennifer herrema on fbook
We want to thank everyone who donated to the GoFundMe for Neil. Unfortunately, the campaign has been removed by GoFundMe due to their term of service that prohibits raising funds for legal defense of certain ALLEGED crimes. The funds that were not transferred prior to the campaign being canceled will be reimbursed to those individuals. I want to thank everyone who donated and if you received a refund I want to apologize for the inconvenience. We are starting a new campaign with GiveSendGo to continue to raise money for Neil’s care. This is an extremely complicated case and raises many questions that will be addressed by the lawyers once Neil is safely at the hospital. We will keep you posted as much as we can but please understand that we are not at liberty to speak openly about the case. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR SUPPORTING & BELIEVING IN NEILLove & Kindness - T & JJ
― tylerw, Friday, 5 May 2023 17:18 (eleven months ago) link
(so i guess if you didn't get a refund, your money made it to Neil and his wife)
Oh nuts... well ok, I'll make up for it with the new fund.
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:23 (eleven months ago) link
Update & Message from Neil
Hello to all of you and I thank you for supporting us in this difficult time. I can't comment on the situation itself now, except to say: I have been kept strong by this uncommon outpouring of charity and concern. I don't know how long it will take to see this through but I do hope to be able to thank all of you individually & personally some day.
Thanks-- from my heart-- and please keep those kind and good thoughts headed our way.In gratitude, Neil
― Mike Dixn, Friday, 30 June 2023 05:37 (nine months ago) link
FYI, a substantial update was posted today. Sounds like Neil is doing well, and is hopeful that his legal situation will be resolved positively next year.
― In my Ram’s Horn era (morrisp), Saturday, 30 December 2023 19:21 (three months ago) link
Does seem like things are going in a (relatively) positive direction — hope it continues.
― tylerw, Saturday, 30 December 2023 20:15 (three months ago) link
New label for an “extensive reissue series” (beginning w/Twin Infinitives)
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:52 (two months ago) link
Huh. Fingers crossed, but wasn't Fat Possum allegedly going to do the same reissue campaign back in 2018? Or was that deal just for digital/streaming of the back catalog?
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:02 (two months ago) link
Dud! But, also, get well soon!
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:13 (two months ago) link
xp Yeah, maybe that was just for streaming? In true Trux fashion, it all seems a little scattered (and not sure what they gained by "leaving" Drag City)...
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link
I guess maybe DC wasn't streaming yet when they left
I have never heard of this label...
(to be fair, I'm pretty disconnected from the label scene)
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link
They've been around a fair old time tbh. Lately they've been reissuing Lemonheads' stuff. https://www.discogs.com/label/2051-Fire-Records
― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link
yeah that's Spacemen 3's old label (post-Glass) from the 80s
― Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link
I've mostly known them for putting out Bardo Pond stuff and, more recently, Vanishing Twin.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link
they also recently did those killer Bardo Pond "covers" EPs
lol xp
wasn't Fat Possum allegedly going to do the same reissue campaign back in 2018?
They did, putting out the albums on vinyl.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:22 (two months ago) link
Did they end up doing all of them? I don't remember seeing them all come out, though I didn't look that hard since I have everything on CD anyway.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:24 (two months ago) link
Discogs says all but the Virgin albums.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:25 (two months ago) link
Meant to say wikipedia not discogs there... and that seems to be wrong.Looks like they only reissued a few of the albums?
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:33 (two months ago) link
xps: Discogs tells me I own 6 releases on Fire lol
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:43 (two months ago) link
Thank You will always be one of my favorite albums of the nineties. So fricking good. They were a lot of fun.
― timellison, Thursday, 8 February 2024 18:41 (two months ago) link
Had forgotten David Briggs produced Thank You until I put on my old CD just now - still sounds gd to me.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 8 February 2024 19:28 (two months ago) link
Hoping this Fire reissues project will include a vinyl issue of Sweet Sixteen.
― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link
Interestingly, the release on Fire's website says "career spanning"
The duo who refused to comply with the rules on and off stage, leaving an incomparable legacy to admire in their wake, Royal Trux announce a career spanning catalogue deal with Fire Records.
https://www.firerecords.com/royal-trux-sign-to-fire-and-announce-extensive-reissue-series-beginning-with-twin-infinitives/
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:16 (two months ago) link
lol they aren't even doing the first album!
― Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:20 (two months ago) link
Well it does say “comprehensive reissue series”… maybe they plan to circle back?
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:22 (two months ago) link
I'll be impressed if they actually do get the Virgin albums tho. To Kim's point upthread, not even Fat Possum got to those.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:26 (two months ago) link
Yeah Fire's been around for decades. Kinda chug along but they do good work, and that includes reissue series -- did a huge set of Giant Sand stuff years back.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:27 (two months ago) link
Small print at the bottom of that link:
Reawakening their prolific output within a new monochrome vinyl series covering 1988-1993, they begin with their seminal deconstructed rock masterpiece Twin Infinitives.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:32 (two months ago) link
Ah, yeah, there you go. Assuming then the "career spanning" part is that they own the streaming rights now, which would include Virgin (and presumably the Fat Possum albums).
I mean, a fitting mess for this band tbh.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:34 (two months ago) link
Huh... at least "1988" seems to confirm that LP1 will eventually be included.
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 21:19 (two months ago) link
haha this wouldn't be proper RT news without confusing all of us
― Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 21:28 (two months ago) link
I saw what I think was a showcase show for them in LA when they got signed. Neil and Jennifer were touring as a duo at the time, but that show had the full band with Dan Brown, the two drummers, and maybe some rented amps? It was definitely different gear than what I'd seen in San Diego. That band was great!
― timellison, Friday, 9 February 2024 03:00 (two months ago) link
Hey, it's the debut after all!
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 15 February 2024 23:03 (two months ago) link
Fat Possum only managed to reissue Accelerator, Cats and Dogs and a cassette of Twin Infinitives.At the time the deal was announced, it also included the new Royal Trux album, White Stuff, as well as the back catalogs and new releases from Black Bananas and The Howling Hex. My assumption is that after Neil left the band, tour cancelled, etc. the label soon lost interest. The Howling Hex Fastball Express album they had announced is still digital-only, and nothing else ever came out.It's been five years, so the contract must have expired and this other label is going to hopefully do it right.I like White Stuff, but mostly for the thrill of hearing them sing together again. Now I can tell that it's kind of a rush job/ incomplete record.I wouldn't mind if they try to get back together again, assuming everyone is healthy.
― Mike Dixn, Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:18 (two months ago) link
Ahh, thanks for the clarification about what Fat Possum did reissue, I know it never seemed like all that much. That scenario feels pretty likely, let’s hope Fire does it right. Based on what I’ve gotten from them, it seems likely.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 18 February 2024 20:51 (two months ago) link
March 2024 Update
I was informed Thursday, March 14, 2024, that all the charges against me were dismissed. I want to thank you all for the part you played in this outcome. I'll try writing again once this news sinks in a little bit.PeAcE & LoVe - Neil Hagerty
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 18 March 2024 04:18 (one month ago) link
Quotes by Neil’s attorney: https://www.denverpost.com/2024/03/18/neil-hagerty-royal-trux-charges-dropped-police-denver/
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:32 (one month ago) link
just about as good an outcome as you could hope for, I think
― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:18 (one month ago) link
Yeah, sounds like a pretty good outcome. Hopefully the treatment he received will be a boon in general, not just wrt this case.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 16:31 (one month ago) link