Kylie Minogue: Classic or Dud?

Hmm...maybe not a classic, but no dud. I mean, when it comes to vertically challenged Australians, better her than those Silverchair rugrats. Although maybe they're tall now.

She's definitely too small though.

I would say NOTADUD for 'Confide in me' and that video where she gets naked in a Barberella stylee.

But not classic

Here's a question: a lot of people I know who classify themselves as pop fans don't particularly care for Kylie, while a lot of indie fans I know overrate her. Did her Nick Cave/Manics collabs ruin her for the pop set with her annoying "realness"?

Next up has got to the Traci Lords: Classic or Dud, except I fear I'm the only person round here with her album ;)

And deservedly so, since Memento is much more fun than anything Kylie has done lately.

On the attractiveness front: I've always found her terribly UNattractive, actually. I never understood that. I like her for her music and NOWT ELSE. She just looks a bit...I don't know, nostrilly and she's very, very tiny.

Years ago she did not have big lips. Her right eyebrow did not touch her hairline like it does now, it was actually lower than the left one if you look at pics! Her boobs miraculously grew when she was seeing Micheal Hutchence, and her bum doesn't have a crease on it!!! Every bum has creases when you stand up. I dont rate her music either. I agree Better than the Devil you Know was OK, but her recent efforts such as at the Brit awards when she had her ar*e hanging out again, she wanted to be 'cool' by mixing her song with Blue Monday. SOoooo wasn't good.

She is an overrated, plastic, old tart who wants to get some clothes on and give women dignity, not make them look like they are gagging for it. Hopefully she'll go BACK out of fashion, AND SOON!!!!!!!

kylie's GREAT, CONSTANTLY OVERLOOKED single: what do i have to do?!

kylie overall: classic. since when has it been about 'artistry' and 'singing'? i'm shocked that this stuff has come up.

that's what i want - hologram pop stars.

YES!

It's amazing how Kylie jumped from my bad books into my good books with such a minute shift in style from the last album.

Both of their music style's is of course not their own, but Britney has this 'thing' about her that makes you want to watch her. She does actually look like what she does in the photos. And when people go on and on, criticising her about wearing skimpy stuff - we have to remember she is only 20 and has to entertain. However, Kylie is nearly 34 and is still prancing around like an old slut with her plastic, pinned up arse and nobody says a word!!! When are the papers gonna see sense and slate her for the old tart she is!!! She is revelling in all of this attention she is getting, and its about time it stopped! OK, Spears is rumoured to have had a boob-job (and propbably has), but when do you see them hanging out of her top, like the goofy- toothed dwarfs??? Those pics from her Fever tour are ridiculous. Her boobs are pushed up sooooooo much, you can see the plastic popping out of the flesh!!! And have you noticed that there's not a smile from the pop- pixie? She is just looking down on herself, revelling in her plasticness. I dont know, I think the country has been brainwashed. It was that song 'Cant get you out of my head' that done it. It must have had some kind of subliminal message saying "MEN: You will all adore Kylie - she is the perfect image of woman; and WOMEN: You will all not care that your men fantasise about Kylie every night in her hotpants, you must love her and want to be her".

Well, I think I must have been one of the few that escaped her propaganda tactics!

Is there anybody else out there??????????????????

Thank god she got rid of the bad perm and reinvented herself....

agree on that last point too.

http://www.cstrecords.com/img/godspeed/mapofevilinvert.jpg

To tell you the truth I put on Fever a ot more than say, Rooty or Under Construction.

Fever is inconsistent. Light Years is all bliss, except that horrid ballad thing in the middle. You skip that obv.

I mean, is her explosive commercial success of 2 years ago now eclipsed?

I finally downloaded it yesterday and I'm obsessed with it now.
It's even better than I remembered - that synth part, that bassline, the whispered backing vocals in the chorus...holy shit, it's the best song ever.

Any thoughts on 'Ultimate Kylie'? Mine are that the first disc is best used as a frisbee, but that the second is really pretty great. I'm surprised by how many of these I like. I can even cope with the Robbie duet and 'Spinning Around' in retrospect.

Otherwise, quite good.

The only Kylie thing I bought was "Some kind of bliss" the nice 7" single. It's not on this.

I am thinking 'I believe in you' might be my favourite single of the year. This is odd, really.

Her vocals sound great on it, and it's got that icy siren quality that made Fever so brilliant.

alter ego and riton .. i am somewhat excited. especially as the normal version is just soooooo .. good.

http://www.ireallylovemusic.co.uk/extras.html

The recent return-to-pop stuff has been weak, on a level with Geri and Emma Bunton, not even as good as Louise's comeback singles.

Or has Kylie listened to Tom's criticisms and returned with Can't Get You Out Of My Head, Come Into My World, Slow, I Believe In You, Lovin' You, Made Of Glass, etc?

Well done, Tom. GYBE never listened though, did they?

'chek out that tasty dactyl'

I'll take the latter. Till the Almighty.

Good show, esp. "Can't Get You Out Of My Head", "Your Disco Needs You", er one or two others. The best bit was this Back to 1990 italo house and rave rivalism sequence! Smily faces and "Step Back In Time" and "What Do I Have To Do", but best of all, a rollicking piano vamp early house version of "Spinning Around"! Which was awesome! Now keep in mind that I usually loathe "Spinning Around" as being only one rung above the absolute nadir of bad millenial disco-pop ("Make Luv") (obv. there is loads of great millenial disco pop) and you'll get a sense of how stunning this transformation is.

Needs to be recorded and released properly!

"Chocolate" is a really great song
is it true it was prod. by kurtis mantronik??

im googling around now, apparently cathy dennis did some writing on this

i guess 'obsession' was the mantronik joint

no homo but i was about to do a kylie singles poll

"What Do I Have to Do?" FTW

new single rules

The name of the album is a reference to a book of poetry written by Billy Childish titled Poems to Break the Hearts of Impossible Princesses. The book was given to Minogue as a gift by Nick Cave, and she has said that the poems summarized where she was at that time in her life.

http://www.gamehotties.com/images/kylie-minogue/kylie-minogue.jpg

Love the new single, it really improves on the demo version with the added piano track. Kylie fans aren't really into it though.

why are her latest videos so damn bad? what has happened?

She is Brave and Plucky and Tragic (c. every British tabloid ever), and therefore will sell shiteloads no matter what cack she throws out because she's the People's Pop Princess. emperor's new clothes, and that.

In Your Eyes was a good vid (if you like big light installations) - can't think of any other good 00s Kylie vids

guess i'm the only person who likes 'wow' (the original more than the remixes too - mstrkrft one is a real case of them milking a tired formula)

I didn't know that the far superior 'In My Arms' was only released on the European market, confusing as the UK & Ireland market seems to need to be separate from the rest of the continent. WOW was terrible in all respects. sounded like someone messing with the volume alot. And the videos....sigh.

That video where there were lots of Kylies was alright - Come into My World, I think.

Was "Hmmm, someone's been listening to Goldfrapp" anyone else's first reaction on hearing 2 Hearts?

mine was "hmmm, someone's been listening to Chungking listening to Goldfrapp listening to and so on..."

forgot about the Gondry CIMW vid, but she's never been an artist for particularly good videos generally.

I like Wow too steve. Lots. Still unconvinced by 60% of new album though.

And yes, come into my world was a GREAT video, and I think can't get you out of my head had a fairly ace one too. Also, the barbarella pastiche for put yourself in my place. I mean yeah, she turns out plenty of very average promos, but she has flashes of greatness now and again.

RIP big popism.

What about the video for "Chocolate" with her dancers dancing on a hat she's wearing!? That was kind of fun.

I hope she releases "The One" as a single.

One can only hope. But if she keeps these four male dancers she's got lately, it might hurt our eyes no matter what.
I believe 'Slow' is the best in recent years, post Fever

I really like Slow as well.

Wow is the pick of this album.

Surprised people are so down on X; aside from the odd turd ("Nu-di-ty") I've found it pretty listenable.

What Goldfrapp tracks should I check out along the lines of 2 Hearts? (have never really had any time for them bar their remixes)

Kylie Minogue is SO much better than Goldfrapp; the new one is particularly grueling.

x is really quite good

What Goldfrapp tracks should I check out along the lines of 2 Hearts?

On top of my head: "Ooh La La" (from Supernature) and maybe "Strict Machine" (from Black Cherry).

'love affair' was the shit

Of course every time I go to buy a Kylie Minogue CD I feel like I have to compensate in some way, so I also grabbed Ace of Spades.
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, May 31, 2004 12:31 AM (4 years ago)

Yeah, me too. I always pack a Kylie CD in with something credible, so people don't look down on me.
― Pack Yr Romantic Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Monday, May 31, 2004 12:37 AM (4 years ago)

Hah, I just picked up a couple Kylie discs this week that I'd been meaning to actually buy for a while. Also in my purchase? One of the new Joy Division remasters, some Roy Montgomery, a Godflesh EP, a maligned Cranes album (have a guess which!) and the new/posthumous UGK release.

"Love Affair" really was the shit, one of my favourites off Fever.

If I was Kylie I would be asking The Freemasons and/or Aeroplane to produce my next stuff. Sonics a la the "Paris" remix would be perfect for her.

"In My Arms" is at least in my top 3 Kylie singles.

'Slow', 'Can't get out out of my head' and 'Confide in me'

"Put Yourself in My Place", "What Do I Have to Do?", "In My Arms". Order varies.

Interviewed by Simon Price at the Quietus:

http://thequietus.com/articles/10473-kylie-minogue-interview

signs with Jay-Z

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/06/article-2274737-1764935D000005DC-106_634x632.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06/kylie-minogue-roc-nation-jay-z-label_n_2631861.html

Minogue told Yahoo! UK in November that she has started an upcoming album. "I have started work on the next album," she said.

http://ossohvonb.tumblr.com/post/73831152244/kylie-minogue-into-the-blue

Was disappointed that this song has an "oh-oh-oh-oh" part like every other popular song these days, but she blows shit up on the chorus.

This has some really great moments.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/mar/10/kylie-minogue-kiss-me-once-album-stream

Agreed, really enjoying this album. The Tom Aspaul cover/remake seem better-suited to her voice than the original.

Think the album is just alright but there's some really good stuff lodged in-between the dross and the album is short enough that the lowlights don't stick around long enough to really grate.

I like Kylie's vocals more than Aspaul's but prefer the production of the original.

Uhh, Kylie's song with Giorgio Moroder is so good: http://www.sopitas.com/site/433045-escucha-la-colaboracion-de-giorgio-moroder-y-kylie-minogue-right-here-right-now/

Alternate link with single cover:

http://www.josepvinaixa.com/blog/giorgio-moroder-kylie-minogue-right-here-right-now/

Also that collaborative EP she released with Fernando Garibay towards the end of last year was a nice change of pace for her.

The chorus makes this sound like it could've been on Rhythm of Love or Let's Get To It.

An entire Kylie/Giorgio album, por favor.

yea sounds p good

I just checked in to second the opinion that the Moroder feat. Kylie song is great. Has a video too https://youtu.be/6gZ-11-kOSQ. Also, it has a funny relation to this post:

Dear Giorgio Moroder,

Are you familiar with Kylie Minogue?

Yours,
Nate

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

New album in June, first single here, Sophie Muller video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDImdAfodA

i know there's not much to it but i love this song

I don't :(

this is alright, a bit by the numbers. but i have faith in the album being better even though the last one sort of ended her full-length winning streak for me.

you don't love anything alfred

i'm probably slipping too deeply into kylie standom though tbf

you don't love anything alfred

― flamenco drop (BradNelson),

you want some more Taylor gifs

the song is nice if a bit slight - "I wanna go out dancing" feels a bit obvious in concept for Kylie and it's not exceptional enough to overcome that. The video is awful though, it looks so cheap.

I was in a nightclub last week doing a Kylie-themed night and I can confirm that "Slow", "Get Out Of My Way" and "Love At First Sight" still all sound incredible in different ways on the dancefloor.

i've been rising slow lately, the synths are incredible...

rinsing*

Slow sounds better to me as time goes by. I liked it at the time, but it always seemed too slight to really grip me. Now it sounds like a classic. I got the 12" last year and played it over and over. It's perfect.

The video for Dancing has really elevated the song even though it really doesn't look like there was much of a budget at all. The clapping/finger snap combo leading up to the chorus is so great. She really sells it well. Shame there's absolutely no chance of this becoming a hit.

I mentioned to VegGrrl on fb that deep at the heart of this song there's a bit of Olivia Newton John, which is neither here nor there, but it makes me like it just a smidge more.

Slow is one of the best pop songs ever, the new one isn't.
it pains me to say it as a kylie fanboy, but its rather generic.

i really like it!!!
that being said i do think it needs a bit more of...something for the chorus. the first verse feels like it’s building to something that never quite arrives
maybe a dance remix would help beef it up

yeah chorus doesn't deliver, verse sounds like Miley

but what is up with these over-compressed vocals, sounds terrible!

I was gonna mention the Olivia Newton-John lilt to her voice but I thought maybe I was just imaginging it myself, its definitely there though

dance remix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm_UEMNzDGA

^for VG

ooh i like!! the loop reminds me of Chaka Khan’s Aint Nobody (or maybe it is a direct sample?)
either way, here for it

thx omar!

lovely Live from Venice version of Music's Too Sad Without You https://open.spotify.com/track/4ncTji8BCiH4J0K3T5VNgm?si=fOu6alf7SdKBPnS319swrQ

Classic as fuck, this Glastonbury performance is dreamlike.

Was absolutely fantastic performance.

so cute with nick at glasto! omg!

Happy birthday! You rule!

been caning "love at first sight" recently

i love her voice gets goofy when she sings "the music they were playing really blew my mind"

ctrl+f "i believe in you"

ctrl+f(smashing my finger on the f key) "put yourself in my place"

brilliant post alfred!

search: “If You Were With Me Now”

Her guest spot on Tove Lo's "Really don’t like u" is fun. A favorite track from last year.

Studio's 2 Hearts >> Braxe's

“Speakerphone”!

So I'm probably the last person to learn this, but apparently she's not singing "shocked" here at 1'12, 2'00 and 2'46:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwYB-DVS27k

Nice list Alfred. Nice to see you mention the quality of some of her albums. Body Language, X and Aphrodite are all pretty underrated.

Would be great to see a Kylie poll on here one day.

i've been wanting to run one for ages

maybe in a few months

That would be awesome!

The new song "Magic" reminded me of another recent song I couldn't put my finger on until I read the YouTube comments and realized it was Katy Perry's "Chained to the Rhythm"

anyway it's not bad or anything but the similarity is a bit too much for me tbh

guess it's for the best that i struggle to remember what "chained to the rhythm" was like

think this is another great one

definitely not too similar to 'chained to the rhythm' for me. one thing about that song is that the lyrics sucked while these lyrics are great. i love everything about the new song. i loved 'say something' too. lol i didn't expect to like new kylie especially this year but like she is so so good at the highest form of generic disco pop it makes me want to cry.

wrt the katie perry song it represents a type of major-hit pop song that wants to look like it 'has something to say' but really just makes a virtue out of submission to the powers that be - i gag at that sort of thing. with these new kylie songs she just sounds so refreshed and focused on this goal of achieving pure dance pop transcendence it bowls me over completely. i'm buying it all lol. i didn't like 'golden' much.

she looks SO GOOD in that blue dress

another good one!

Great album but I dunno if it's everything going on or what but it's going in one ear and out the other

on first listen it's all just fine. no real duds but there's nothing really to elevate it and make me want to come back to it either

the speed-up & solo in "dance floor darling" is quite cool though

This set of tracks seems super generic but I'll give them a few tries. Maybe a few of them will start to pop.

... whoa @ "real groove"

^^ yes.

Between this album, Dua Lipa, Jessie Ware, and Kylie Minogue's, it's been a banner year for post-disco awesomeness.

monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday it's the weekend

This is a really likeable album. I don't see it sticking and some of the production is a bit Hype Machine Remixes 2008, but she's so endearing and charismatic even when it feels a little bland.

^^ yes.

Between this album, Dua Lipa, Jessie Ware, and Kylie Minogue's, it's been a banner year for post-disco awesomeness.

I did, thanks.

Feel like Sophie Ellis-Bextor could get those Instagram living room disco covers into an album we would be living through a total renaissance

That unexpected tempo change on Dancefloor Darling is one of my favourite musical moments of the year.

Great album.

This album is nonstop. Such a fantastic return to form.

Love “Magic”, and the Infinite Disco version of “Say something” with the added choir is A+

i think this is probably better than future nostalgia as far as post-disco pop this year

definitely the best kylie album in a decade

I don't think it's a great album, certainly not as imaginatively produced as Roisin Murphy, Jessie Ware, and Dua Lipa's, say -- what a year! But I like half of it.

it's good-not-great but still incredibly solid. a lot of little great moments like the "get me to the weekend!" mini bass solo on "monday blues"

Between this album, Dua Lipa, Jessie Ware, and (Roisin)'s, it's been a banner year for post-disco awesomeness.

Also for consideration on the pile, Horse Meat Disco's debut album, including four Amy Douglas lead vocals, two Kathy Sledge leads, and one N'Dea Davenport.

oh god, i need to hear that - thanks for reminding me!

'falling deep in love again' is *chef's kiss*

after a few listens, i'm not hearing anything exciting here and it's bumming me out

how is "dancefloor darling" at least not exciting

tbh i have just replayed the first six tracks a number of times so i don't think i've gotten there yet. i will try DFD and check back.

Between this album, Dua Lipa, Jessie Ware, and Kylie Minogue's, it's been a banner year for post-disco awesomeness.

gonna assume you intended to write Roísín Murphy there.

I get grouping these four albums together as some mini-zeitgeist, but Kylie's is bringing up the rear by a considerable distance.

*at a considerable distance makes more sense. It's late.

Have been caning the HMD album the last two weeks - so good! xps

Playing all four records (plus Annie's) back-to-back this weekend and having the best time. xpost

Disagree that Kylie's is the worst - it's about on par with Future Nostalgia for me.

Ware > Murphy >>>> Dua Lipa >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kylie

The Annie is a different thing imo, and I would've loved it in 2014 more than I do now.

Disco LP debuted at #1 in the UK: she has now had #1 albums there in five calendar decades.

(she didn't get a #1 in Australia until the 2000s.)

Ware > Dua > Roisin > Kylie for me

Trust me, I’m more disappointed in myself for the order of the middle two than anyone in here could be

I hadn't noticed this was happening - a 24 hour Kylie channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t982j1D5V_o

currently playing one of my fave videos: "Did It Again" <3 <3

Dua’s is best, to me

alright, i tried dancefloor and it feels like it's trying way too hard for me.
i don't think i fuck with this at all.

idk if it's weird to talk about the songwriting on a dance-pop record but the real strength on this record for me is the way the melodies move. i get ppl's issues with the production, it's certainly broad, but i think the songs have really interesting and catchy interlocking parts

reviewing this has certainly renewed my faith in people being awful

were you in danger of losing it?

no

fwiw katherine if I were a reviewer I'd have written something almost identical to yours. You nailed it.

I agree. I can't swallow this lumpy album.

please tell this to the people telling me to die

the pre-click blurb they posted takes away from a great album write-up, regardless of having heard the album or liking/disliking it.

The Kylie vs Little Mix stuff on Twitter has been really grim on both sides and everyone involved should be embarrassed. Katherine I'm sorry this is happening to you, again, and I know it's easier said than done but you must remember that these people are entirely without merit and their performative hate is fandom theatre

sorry this is happening to you katherine :-(

people are fundamentally sadistic, it happens

"Kylie hasn’t been disco for twenty years" is certainly a hot take.

Sorry this is happening to you but think boxedjoy nailed it above with "performative hate"

jfc Katherine in case you weren't aware, they're going in on your review on the Keep It podcast today. Fucking disappointed in them all rn.

count me in on the "this is not a good album" crew
Ware > Dua > Roisin seems about right to me but, based on "Feed the Fire" and "Impact," I think SG Lewis is gonna break into the upper disco circle by the end of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m-J8KG8tBA

Would also argue that Selena Gomez and Azana and Ariana Grande and Simmy slot neatly and perfectly into this sound too but i'm sure i'd be outshouted

but yeah, stans gonna stan

please tell this to the people telling me to die

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:05 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i didn't realize, sorry you have to deal with this :(

Why isn't anyone mentioning Victoria Monét's Experience -- are her disco tracks too "trad" for this context?

i loved the singles from this. i think brad has a good point about the quality of the melodies. i also think the lyrics on those two singles are perfect magic-eye palimpsests that are either the most profound thing ever or generic claptrap depending on how you look at them. classic pop lyrics. not sure how i will feel about the album - i'm kind of deflated about buying anything right now after losing all my music - but i'm going to tune out all the stan bullshit if i can when i get around to listening to it, next month i guess. *sigh*

xp I loved Moment/Dive/Jaguar/Experience/Touch Me but that EP is like 17 minutes of great music, ten minutes of filler ("we take it fast like it's fortnite"?) and imo not really on the same level as Ware or Lipa

A few groaner lyrics aside, I think the whole EP is really tight -- and if you're looking for new disco in 2020...

on Kylie's Spotify page there's a disco playlist of stuff she (or at least, her team) has curated that features Roisin, Lipa, Ware and Monet alongside some classics and it makes me want to invite her to an afterparty

jfc Katherine in case you weren't aware, they're going in on your review on the Keep It podcast today. Fucking disappointed in them all rn.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:16 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know what that is but am not surprised; as I mentioned, people are fundamentally sadistic, and would stop at nothing to hurt others

I wish I knew what I did wrong besides existing

I already sent them an email apologizing but if it even gets read (the only contact was a general email address) the only outcome I expect is to be mocked even more

because that's what people do, because they are fundamentally sadistic

Why would you apologize to them? For what? For having an opinion, or for having the temerity to express it? Fuck those people and anyone who loves them.

because clearly I have done something grievously wrong? people generally don't get called out on major podcasts otherwise

There's no such thing as a "major podcast". Again I say, fuck those people and anyone who loves them.

it's hard to find details on listenership but this one seems to have a lot of it, so tens or hundreds of thousands of people now hate me, and I don't know who, and could encounter them at any time assuming they don't seek me out instead. plus, it also seems to be a political podcast, which suggests that I did something wrong that was also offensive

Well, I know how much I care about the opinions of strangers. YMMV, clearly.

I liked your review. (I couldn't make it through the album, and I wanted to, mostly due to vestigial love of Fever.)

the worst response to a callout is to dig in one's heels and assume one is right

If you surrender your aesthetic principles at the first complaint from some fucking nobody, you have none.

clearly thousands of people don't agree with that statement

also, I don't believe anyone deserves to be dismissed as "some fucking nobody," but even if I did, the hosts of a major podcast with huge listenership certainly wouldn't fit that description

it's all a game, now you're kind of notorious, try the hat on, have fun! mass media does not equate to a real relationship with a person

that's my two cents but good luck

I don't fucking want to be notorious, that is the literal opposite of what I want

You appear to be reacting to someone on a message board telling you that unnamed people disagreed with your review, on a podcast that you have not listened to; that is not anyone "calling [anyone] out", let alone anything that means you shoudl reconsider your opinion about a pop record, and a long way from anything to apologise about. To whom? For what?

it's all a game, now you're kind of notorious, try the hat on, have fun! mass media does not equate to a real relationship with a person

Exactly. You're a writer; you share your thoughts with strangers. When one of them objects, your first response should be, "Well, who the fuck are you? And who asked you?"

that is not anyone "calling (anyone) out", let alone anything that means you shoudl reconsider your opinion about a pop record, and a long way from anything to apologise about. To whom? For what?

― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:04 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the podcast interviews figures like Ronan Farrow and Kimberlé Crenshaw, which suggests that it might be that, but I'm afraid to listen

Pod Save Music Criticism

I just skimmed thru it; the Pitchfork/Kylie discussion begins at 1:28.30. The discussion is really dumb, but katherine - I suggest you don't listen.

and now it's there forever

the episode description:

Ira, Louis, and Aida discuss the conservative fervor over Harry Styles wearing a dress on the cover of Vogue, the COVID season of The Bachelorette, Billie Eilish and Lil Nas X’s new videos, Twitter’s new “Fleets” feature, the Grammys, Pitchfork’s Kylie Minogue review, Obama’s A Promised Land playlist, and more. Plus, Rachel Bloom joins to discuss depicting mental health on television and her new memoir I Want to Be Where the Normal People Are.

Sounds like people riffing on pop culture that they have had exactly zero time to give any thought to, and are reacting in the moment to fill minutes.

That pretty much sums it up. Now they're going in on Obama for putting Beyoncé's "Halo" on his playlist ("real Beyoncé fans don't fuck with it... she doesn't even perform it anymore!")

this is inane shit

and now it's there forever

nobody is going to be listening to it later than this week, and the hosts have probably forgotten whatever they said already.

tbh i enjoyed Ira's MTV News podcast with Doreen St. Felix but Louis Virtel is dumb as nails so i'm not shocked by any of this (still disappointed obv)

the hosts may have forgotten it but I'll remember it for the rest of my life, and the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me

i enjoy podcasts as much as the next person but i hope that if the podcast bubble bursts, that Crooked Media goes down with it - few things would make me happier tbh

the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me

If you say so. But that brings us back to who gives a shit? If they can be made to dislike you (which I doubt) so easily, they can be made to like you just as easily. Without ever remembering that they once disliked you. These are people with the brains of parakeets.

the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me

Without listening, there's a 70% chance that none of the three hosts even mention your name, and just say "Pitchfork's review." If they do say your name, the number of people who remember it by the next sentence will be minimal. Of that contingent, the number who care about Kylie Minogue will be a much smaller subset. Of them, the number who give a shit at all whether someone gives an alright-not-great Kylie album an "alright, not great" review might be greater than 50%. Within that remaining chunk, the number who not only receive, but also hold onto, their opinions from some pop culture podcast hosts who have in all likelihood not listened to the album and read the review in full will be the square root of bugger all.

emphasis on "square" and "root" (rude)

Genuinely sorry you are going through this katherine, stan culture has a lot to fucking answer for. Those guys crank out a metric ton of podcast content and it will be buried in the noise in no time at all. I'm sure that's small comfort for you now, but 99% of the people who heard it have already moved on. I really wish you wouldn't second guess your opinion though, you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for.

yes, it's a well-written (and well-reasoned) review!

i like your writing katherine. you've mentioned similar issues of feeling persecuted and punched down to on this board before and i can't imagine that feels good but you're writing for public consumption and that necessarily comes with criticism of your criticism, often from people who don't know how to string together a cohesive paragraph. short of a threat that seems plausible, you have got to let that shit go or it's going to fuck with you continually and make you miserable in a way you neither deserve nor that will benefit you. you could literally walk into a plaza with a solid gold baby that shits money and say "I MADE THIS" and some asshole is going to tweet death threats at you, if for no other reason than you have a platform that they don't have. there's no winning that battle. listen to discern if there's something worth learning in the response you're getting but otherwise, fuck em.

the difference is that I don't aim to hurt people, I try to be evenhanded, I try to stick to the work, and not the individual, I don't track people down across every medium to hurt people, or track them down years after the fact, I don't tell people they're fat and ugly and disgusting (all of which I'm sure happened on the podcast), I don't spam subscribe them to hateful newsletters, I don't send death threats, and if someone was inadvertently hurt by something I said I would apologize and try my best not to do so again.

the difference is also that presumably they have plenty of people praising them to counterbalance, and I don't; the ratio at this point is maybe a handful to tens or hundreds of thousands. how does one exist under those circumstances without just never interacting with a human being again?

I don't tell people they're fat and ugly and disgusting (all of which I'm sure happened on the podcast)

It doesn't - they say you're not qualified to review the album because you're not in the right demographic. I wouldn't worry about it - sic is right, no one (half-)listening is likely to click over to Pitchfork to even see who you are.

that would seem to be an argument necessarily dependent on seeing who I am

that would seem to be an argument necessarily dependent on seeing who I am

You would think, but this is the internet, founded on and sustained by the uninformed, passionately held, fleeting opinion.

Kat, all the points you bring up are exactly why you shouldn't be validating that response by letting it effect your sense of self or make you feel less inclined to produce. best revenge is to lead by example.

I don't tell people they're fat and ugly and disgusting (all of which I'm sure happened on the podcast)

Obv there's a lot you can't help about the way your brain reacts to / amplifies perceived attacks, but if it helps to centre you rn, remind yourself that your brain also knows that this is absolutely not the case, and is something it has made up to fuck with you.

I don't actually know that, because it's been a running theme in the hate mail I've gotten, and they've tracked down pictures of me to say it on

presumably they have plenty of people praising them to counterbalance

Ira was banned from twitter during the election for changing his DN to Beto O'Rourke and tweeting "I'll send nudes if Texas goes blue". Virtel has nobody tweeting at him about the review at all, but did post this ten years ago (no likes, no replies):

Someone asked me about the new Kylie single, and I haven't heard it yet. It was pouty, retro, and winking, right? I pass?

— Louis Virtel (@louisvirtel) May 18, 2010

And the sole response on Crooked Media's tweet promoting the episode reads:

Fuck y'all for dogpiling on a GOOD music writer who accurately read the Kylie album as a big misfire. I've listened since ep 1, but that shit was beneath you. Act right.

we should inundate them like k-pop stans but for katherine

a running theme in the hate mail I've gotten

These stan idiots (for any fandom) should, of course, have their access to the internet removed forever, and probably their freedom to raise children. But the review is on the internet, and if they're brigading from anywhere collective, it'll be a Kylie message board or facebook group.

KATHERINE HIVE ASSEMBLE

could probably get one or two of them suspended on twitter if we put our mind to it (look at their pre-woke period tweets and find something dodgy and report)

which is something stans do

btw the hosts may have forgotten it but I'll remember it for the rest of my life,

You are insisting that the hosts said things which the one person here who has listened to it has directly assured you that they don't. For sure you shouldn't bother listening, but if possible, you also shouldn't remember something that didn't happen for the rest of your life. These are three random people chatting shit to each other about something they haven't actually engaged with, and as such inherently hold less weight and authority than the average ilx post.

(look at their pre-woke period tweets and find something dodgy and report)

we should get ira suspended for saying he'll send nudes imo

(It totally sucks that idiots write hate mail that is able to reach you, but also remember, if you can, that bothering to write hate mail to a stranger automatically makes the author's opinion beneath consideration.)

oops, put the xpost in the wrong place obv

dude I know (I hope) that's a joke but don't do that

I'm not saying anything new here, but the limit does not exist when it comes to the lows pop stans will stoop to in terms of harrassing people that say or write things they don't like about their idols. It doesn't help that occasionally these idols themselves fan the flames (I'm thinking of the Lana Del Rey / Ann Powers incident last year or when Lizzo tweeted that only musicians should be allowed to write music reviews, etc), or that for some reason Metacritic scores have come to mean almost as much as commercial chart positions to stanbases. And in some cases there's just no way of pleasing them. folklore received an 8.0 on Pitchfork and the writer still ended up getting doxxed.

I'm sorry this is happening Katherine and for what it's worth your review was fair, thorough and certainly nothing to be ashamed of.

Also, I think publications owe a duty of care to their staff in situations like this where the result of posting a review of a high-profile act is death threats towards the writer.

I'm sorry I even pointed it out. I'd just finished listening to the segment when I came over here and wrote about it, mainly because I was shocked that it even happened (also, that one "fuck y'all" twitter reply to the Crooked Media post was mine). I think Keep It has a large audience, but other people here are right that almost no listeners will hear that and then click over to Pitchfork and find out what they're going on about.

Stan culture is absolutely repulsive to me, and it only seems to be getting worse. I don't even know if there's a way to put it back in the bottle at this point, and it infuriates me.

I listened to the Keep It segment and it's even worse/worthless than I expected and the bar was low

1. v telling that Ira declines to go into detail on criticizing Scooter Braun beforehand and then immediately decides to punch down at Katherine

2. didn't even address a single point in the review other than the score

"the score is low and white women aren't allowed to listen to this album by a white woman"

lol

that one "fuck y'all" twitter reply to the Crooked Media post was mine

(suspected this but didn't want to doxx you :) )

I doubt they actually read the review.

I'm so sorry this happened katherine. I can assure you that you did nothing wrong and the people attacking you are completely out of bounds.

It’s worth remembering that even if you do everything right, some internet rando will still senselessly hate you for it. There’s no such thing as being universally liked, and that’s ok (this is what stans refuse to accept btw). Anyway, Kylie’s music has never been my cup of tea but that was a good and informative review.

have listened to the podcast (1st time ever), they mention nothing but the rating itself... I assume @katherine you are a serious pop music critic, while this podcast is some pulp, immediate blah blah blah content to listen to when jogging or cleaning, so honestly - even if one can find it amusing - this is like apples & oranges. hence do ignore this shit and keep up the good work!

and getting back to the review itself - i agree with sooo many points and arguments of katherine's review, but this won't change the fact that I'm spinning this record to death and yes, on paper it could be (and potentially is) 'worse' than roisin, jessie or dua, but its only kylie who can pull off a song with such a corny intro as supernova, making me tremble with embarrassment at the beginning, and then hijack with her delivery or chorus that im singing while writing now and leaving me breathless in the end. just like any great party that I came late to, i.e. everybody is drunk already, im thinking: what is wrong with these awful people?! and in 30 mins im sweating with the rest on the dance floor.
(plus some of these songs like 'real groove' are objectively a-mah-zing!)

this struck me during the Folklore fiasco but pop stans getting mad at pitchfork reviews will never not be mindboggling to me. and they get mad when pitchfork doesn't review their faves' records too! there's no pleasing them.

like, your faves will do just fine without p4k's validation, guys. 

I’m surprised to learn that Kylie even has these sort of stans. I wasn’t aware she had that sort of rep.

Same.

fever is one of the greatest pop albums of all time, of course she is going to have the same cult of stans as every other pop star, even if 'cult' needs to be emphasised a little more for her than some

Fever came out 19 years ago, and the new audience it brought in was, speaking broadly, gay American males (compared to her previous moderately-gay-male-leaning UK and .au general public). It seems counterintuitive that a feverish hate-mail writing stan culture is made up of 40-something blokes.

there are plenty of younger, mostly gay male, fans who make up those stans because she's really that much of an icon. it was only 2010 that she really last had hits in the uk and australia. madonna still has stans! it doesn't seem that weird as far as stan culture goes to me.

I also thought most of her stans would be gay which is why I was surprised to see one of the ones tweeting at katherine has also tweeted homophobic slurs and has a link to a "reparative therapy" site on their profile (possibly another Briscoe Cain type I guess)

One of my teenage students asked me if I had heard her latest album. I guess she's still picking up fans

I actually had the "don't worry, I don't think she has stans, you'll be fine" / "yes, she does" argument before it went up (not with an editor)

It seems counterintuitive that a feverish hate-mail writing stan culture is made up of 40-something blokes.

can i introduce you to "men"

like... have you never been on reddit

actually it's about ethics in disco revisionism journalism

I'm coming around to this album a little bit. It does sound pretty same-y along with the other recent releases listed above (Horse Meat Disco, Dua Lipa, etc). A lot of different acts that used to sound different seem to have converged to this style.

my experience of going on reddit is: aspie-adjacent podcast listeners politely apologising to each other if anyone misunderstands someone else & downvoting sexism; and Am I The Asshole? readers telling people that they absolutely are the asshole, and they don't deserve their girlfriends, mothers' love, or to have a cat.

can i introduce you to "men"

point absolutely taken on my wording. but in my head, the sort of stans who brigade with hate mail were primarily teens-to-22ish with the combo of too much energy, and insecurity. 44-year-old gay men who loved Kylie when they were 12 or 25 have had plenty of experience of her putting out 6/10 albums with a few generous 8/10 tracks in the five calendar decades that she's had UK #1s!

gonna have to repeat Maura's "like... have you never been on reddit" here

You guys talk like going on Reddit is something that healthy-minded people do. Been on Parler lately?

a good number of people on this site go on RYM, which is basically /mu/

All ILXors should sign an exclusive contract that forbids you from visiting other websites.

There's other websites?

So they say, and they’re *bad*.

i thought this was google

gonna have to repeat Maura's "like... have you never been on reddit" here

my answer will remain the same as in the post you're replaying to!

okay I looked at the Kylie reddit and the top threads are:

- Hi fellow kylie lovelies - I am loving Disco Tv on YouTube and thought you all might like it too - it’s a wonderful mix of all of Miss Minogue’s fabulous videos (including lyric videos for the Disco album) has really cheered me up and hope it makes someone else smile 🥰

- When she was on the Voice (photo)

- Kylie Minogue Breaks Down 17 Looks From 1988 to Now | Life in Looks | Vogue (youtube link, 1 reply)

- Disco debuts at 25 on the Billboard 200, her highest-charting U.S. album since Aphrodite (5 replies wishing she would tour)

- Kylie Minogue - Blame It On The Boogie [Mike Walsh Show 1987] (youtube link, no replies)

- Spotted in Sydney this morning (photo of a flyposter, 5 replies asking where the cassette is sold)



not an argument against there being absolutely horrible subreddits elsewhere but this is even less enthusiasm than I'd have expected, let alone any negativity

*tips fedora at maura*

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

Do Gaga fans go HAM over mixed reviews? I think of the Little Monsters as peaceful.

this critically-acclaimed nu disco thing reminds me of griselda

endless RIYL slots enabled by genre specific playlisting

members of all 'stanbases' are fully capable of stooping to horrific lows, and indeed do so somewhat regularly. while yes the contingent overall skews gay, male and young, plenty of these folks are supposedly grown up too! pretty horrifying

I don't see why people are surprised grownups can do this, has anyone ever met a republican, or one of the adults who sneers at people online for morally neutral things they find embarrassing

basically, have you ever met a human being

I can honestly say I’ve never known anyone IRL whom I thought had the capacity to launch personal attacks at a writer over a music review.

pretty sure critics are real and daft and mean

also i dunno what's the problem are you worreid the world will misevaluate a Kylie record>?

also lol keeping a score keeping a score

I can honestly say I’ve never known anyone IRL whom I thought had the capacity to launch personal attacks at a writer over a music review.

― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Saturday, November 21, 2020 7:45 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no offense but you're on this board, so you do

maybe that doesn't qualify as IRL but there are many people here who have personally attacked me over my opinions about bands or my "insane" way of listening to music

I might say Noodle Vague is insane for laboriously relistening to alternate mixes so many times that it's slightly dragging out the results of the MC Tunes poll, but it's just out of admiration for his process

this was specifically saying that my preferring to not listen to music that makes me feel bad is an "insane" way of listening

what kind of music makes you feel bad?

generally it involves lyric

as in the lyrics make you feel bad because they're offensive?

I think this album is good and I'm sorry people are terrible, it's just a review. :(

PS Supernova is def the best track here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYLeTJEvWY
Kylie ft. Dua Lipa, Róisín Murphy & Jessie Ware - Real Groove (Studio 2054 Remix)

well, not quite, but still...

Lol. I like this but it needs a better chorus

she's re-releasing Disco with new tracks, most notably "Kiss of Life" with Jessie Ware

ehhhhhhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ6Ig8Pz_Z4

“A second to midnight” w/years and years is pretty nice

"magic" is good

Besides “A Second To Midnight”, I also came around to liking “Kiss of Life” a lot. I think both tracks are as good (or better) than anything on Disco.

omg this rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkJfZFpsJ6Y

gloria sounds SO GOOD

I still like disco

Also, this might be better on an Underworld thread, but one of my favorite things is that you can, using remixes/alternate mixes, re-imagine the self-tilted Kylie Minogue album to sound way more like dubnobasswithmyheadman than you'd ever expect. Thanks Brothers in Rhythm.

Confide in Me (Big Brothers mix)
Where Is the Feeling (BIR Dolphin Mix)
Surrender (Talking Soul Mix)
Where Has The Love Gone? (Fire Island Mix)
Falling (Original Mix)
Where Is The Feeling (BIR soundtrack)
Put Yourself In My Place (Driza-Bone Mix)

this one also p great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZucxtSFe2s

this Infinite Disco live album is incredible

ok i need to hear that.

i'm very late to kylie beyond a few big singles. does anyone want to rep a few of their favorite house remixes? there have to be a few, right? i can't find anything obvious on the music purchasing sites i frequent and i don't have the attention span to comb through discogs.

it’s not really house and I’m not sure if this is in your wheelhouse but one of my favorites tracks of the 00s is the Fisherspooner remix of “Come into my world”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee8RzKjzEHo

that's a jam, thanks

there is this cheap and cheerful comp of quite a few decent remixes :

https://www.discogs.com/release/1605088-Kylie-Boombox-The-Remix-Album-2000-2008

👍👍

surprisingly excellent stuff, ty!

impossible princess vinyl reissue is out and sounds pretty dope. Its rep as an alt-rock album is probably slightly overstated, there’s also a fair amount of trip-hop and glistening dance-pop on here. Those rock songs tho they really don’t hide the presence of manic street preachers; ‘i don’t need anyone’ especially sounds very much like a lost cut from

everything must go

as mentioned upthread

infinite disco

disco

side note met a guy awhile back who had interacted w/kylie and he reported that out of all the celebs he’s dealt with she was just the best, super kind and chill.

Whoops forgot how to tag properly obv let me fix that for legibility

impossible princess vinyl reissue is out and sounds pretty dope. Its rep as an alt-rock album is probably slightly overstated, there’s also a fair amount of trip-hop and glistening dance-pop on here. Those rock songs tho they really don’t hide the presence of manic street preachers; ‘i don’t need anyone’ especially sounds very much like a lost cut from everything must go. i think it’s very much in line with other unexpected detours of that decade and one that’s one of the more successful. ‘some kind of bliss’ and ‘breathe’ remain in the top tier of her career

as mentioned upthread infinite disco is absolutely great, it feels almost like a definitive statement in some ways. also the extended mixes version of disco improves on the original. there are so many versions of that album.

side note met a guy awhile back who had interacted w/kylie and he reported that out of all the celebs he’s dealt with she was just the best, super kind and chill.

side note met a guy awhile back who had interacted w/kylie and he reported that out of all the celebs he’s dealt with she was just the best, super kind and chill.

― omar little

Not the first time I've heard something like this. I think it was Simon Price who said she was one of the nicest celebrities he'd ever interviewed. Kylie and Phil Oakey.

Really enjoying the vinyl reissue of Impossible Princess. It sounds great. Nice to see it improving on its original chart placing and now becoming a top five album in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8IxEHEo0bM

this is one of the most endearing, likeable things I've ever watched - it doesn't surprise me her personal reputation is so high

I saw the Robbie one a while ago and was surprised that I liked the format a lot. Good for an interviewee to use as signposts to talk about relatively niche aspects of certain eras.

That was great. So touching to see her get so emotional talking about Glastonbury at the end there.

Wasn’t aware of these, not being a fashion icon, however will need to check these out. Though can’t imagine anyone being as charming as Kylie.

the mariah carey one is great but i should probably post that in a mariah carey thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JqHuOktd9I

new demo from 1994 has leaked, nothing special but still has that vintage '90s pop house charm

excellent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saL6s6OKgAc

New album Tension out Sept 22

really sick song

Psyched. Feels like it's hot on the heels of Disco but it'll be about three years? Good song!

does she sing "you look like someone who ate my dog"

Love this. Kylie really knows how to deliver a lead single.

I love how her new eras still feel like an event after all this time.

Her albums are imo typically so strong that I'm confident about this one. I need to revisit kiss me once and golden, because while those albums did have some highlights I felt at the time they weren't quite up to par with everything she's released from the 94 self-titled onward.

I could use a little less pitch-shifting / vocal manipulation but I like the new single. Already want a Bollywood style remix with strings to accentuate the chorus even more.

oh fuck yeah. that electro-edm-r3hab thing sounds good on her.

going for the us charts maybe? it could happen. i would love it if it happened.

does she sing "you look like someone who ate my dog"

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, May 18, 2023 9:09 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Pitch-shifting really is a psychedelic spice sometimes

Or auto tune, whatever

I dig this song

leave it to kylie to write a believable & still magic-sounding hookup song

would love it if she made the charts here. i do feel like her kate bush moment has gotta arrive at some point stateside, there are just too many killer songs in her back catalog and potentially more to come.

"Say Something" topped my '20 singles list -- what a blast of enthusiasm during peak COVID quarter! But in a rare thing I didn't much at all for the album (I played Róisín Murphy's to death though).

i had a dream a while ago that the kate bush thing happened with 'locomotion', there were zoomers on a see-saw on tik tok.

xp i still get a little choked up by some of the stuff on disco, "i can't stop writing songs about you" in particular

it's gonna be another roisin / kylie year!!!

i'm telling you, infinite disco is a *killer* album. think the disco extended mixes album might edge out the original slightly, though i still stick w/listening to the OG release since that's the one i physically possess.

The only tracks that I've had any genuine affection for on each Kylie album since Aphrodite have been their respective lead singles. "Say Something" in particular I just adored; I distinctly remember being brought to tears all of a sudden when watching the Infinite Disco version, which may have in part been a side effect of lockdown-induced mania.

This one feels slightly undercooked (I would like another rehash of the chorus at the end) and all in all is giving me Rita Ora x Imanbek or a lost Inna single. But the sound seems TikTok-friendly to me, so it wouldn't surprise me if it does end up doing something in the charts in the UK at least.

feels like it could use an extended mix or another section besides the verse/chorus—2:45 is too short, and that does give it a kind of undercooked feel.

i agree it's a little undercooked. the vocal production is also just odd - beyond whatever manipulation is going on it just sits in a weird place in the mix?

i still really like "dance floor darling" from disco

yeah I think the vocal production doesn’t let her personality/warmth seep through as much as it could, it’s a bit cold and robotic/robo-tuned. but i could live with it if there was a middle 8 or if the outro was extended into a longer instrumental section.

have we seen the video yet? it's just chefs kiss. i roared when she's getting the updraft of air on the junker car. it's soooooooo awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cnazi_Fi0

Love the cover art on the album. It's got galaxy brains convincing themselves she's part of the Illuminati based on some comments on her IG lol.

kylie roaming methed out california desert junkyards and motels from the 70s like a malevolent sex demon is exactly what i needed this weekend.

Yesss

Padam Padam becoming an actual hit single and getting Radio One to playlist Kylie for the first time in 13 years is so cool to see.

It's a real grower, and a sick video obv

first Beyonce invented house and now Kylie invents techno, what a time to be alive

sounds like r3hab to me but elevated of course

ah ok

Best known for their work on hits like Clean Bandit’s Rockabye, producer Lostboy and songwriter Ina Wroldsen have penned the lyrics for the song.

A pop star who seems like a decent human being also has an album dropping soon. New single tomorrow.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cwk6hIxoun7/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

this song is great

same hard discrete electro approach as "padam" but inflected with just a little feverish disco... it sounds so sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70z_YAcOD3E

love the piano

This album's gonna be fire

As with Padam Padam I can't help but feel this it's quite anonymous. But I don't really mind it.

(Also, as with PP, I can hear the perfect moment for a cool fade-out but then no one does something as playlist-unfriendly as that anymore.)

i actually hear some Grimes in this a bit, there's something about the airiness of it which hits the same sweet spot for me. minus the fascism.

Piano house resurgence example #12312415155153

Yeah no I'm being too kind really. I'm not feeling this if I'm being honest with myself. Which I initially wasn't with the last album either.

Not being honest that is.

this isn’t as immediate as Padam Padam was, but feels like it might grow on me (whereas I tired of PP pretty quickly). either way, it’s great - her consistency is incredible

the last one grew on me a lot, though i did like it on first pass. the extended mixes album and Infinite Disco might be the best incarnations of those tracks however. Padam Padam is another which sounds a bit better over time. this one really sounds to me like another possible hit, though who knows?

Among the reasons I admittedly like this is that it sounds like something that won't be a hit circa 2023

sounds good to me, liking that guitarish synth part near the end

I've been dancing in my office for the last hour.

someone get me water

Sending you a tropical storm, hold tight

When I first heard Padam I thought it sounded like recent (ish) Metric, for a little bit at least

Sending you a tropical storm, hold tight

― omar little

I need a storm surge

Feeling the warm urge

I feel our bodies merge

A bit old for this dirge

liking this a lot on first listen

I think this one is fantastic (most of the joy of "Padam" to me was in seeing it resonate beyond Kylie's core 2023 audience), but from what I hear, most of the album won't necessarily follow the same icy electro path as these singles. Still very excited for it though.

this is great. I agree about the grimes comparison, though the chorus makes me flash on "look what you made me do"

coolest Tardis ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-aEr4WRPYk

Maybe amaarae more than grimes ?

Anyway this is ok to me, I think I’m just not that interested in this sonic template at this point but I’m sure no one in her audience will be disappointed

Amazing MV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyk7_8x1SKc

The singles were a bit misleading for the album, but I'm really enjoying it. Vegas High, Story and especially Hold On To Now are my immediate favourites. I slightly prefer it to Disco. Feel like I'm into that album much more than most people on here though.

misremembered the title as Pressure since she is holding a diamond on the cover - last minute change do you think?

the album is cute, but yes the singles are the best songs on it. I like "One More Time" which feels like a Future Nostalgia leftover and "Hold On To Now" is that big sweeping electropop that she does so well (although admittedly when I hear it I do compulsively just want to put on Robyn's "Honey" instead)

yeah agree with that, a lot of this feels like Kylie by-the-numbers to me though it's a very breezy and enjoyable listen.

Apart from the singles, my favourite track is "Hands" - the rapped verses are just on the right side of silly, and the chorus is lovely

Quite taken with 'Hold On To Now' but never got round to checking out the previous two albums.

title track is one of my fave Kylie tracks ever at this point, just sublime stuff imo. the rest of the album is less unpredictable, but still stellar. i imagine this is going to be her biggest US album since Fever, riding the Padam Padam wave, and bolstered by the Vegas residency.

not as good as 'padam padam' but idk it's a jam, crazy catchy

kylie, bebe rexha, tove lo - my oh my

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr-khErZr_Q

You know I'm here for this.

It's both absolutely crazy and truly excellent imo that she's having such a huge moment in the post pandemic era.

yeah she's in a golden era!

i'm a little bummed that like .. i couldn't really sell a 'kylie night' at the club i dj at, whereas a 'taylor swift night' is almost de rigueur. but idk, it wouldn't hurt to try, right? god i'd have a blast djing a kylie night sheesh.

bebe rexha had that infernally catchy track last summer that went 'i'm good and i'm feeling all right, gonna have the best fuckin night of my life' - this reminds me a little bit of that with its aggressive earworm chorus.

I mean jesus with the right crowd it would be probably the most excellent set one could ever hope to hear. She's got so many ill deep cuts too, feel like any Kylie set should include Fragile, her Moroder collaboration, and most recently Somebody to Love. You don't need my pro tips though I'm sure!

i do, my friend, i do. a big yasss to all of that.

🪩❤️

Sometimes I'll drive my kid crazy by listening to Kylie but he has admitted, "she is definitely a lot better than Taylor Swift"

high five

“I got a hot date with my mistakes”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTp23KDSBBI

also the live version of my oh my sounds better (less autotune)

this track is fucking fire, up there with her very best imo

oh wow this is great

i like this quite a bit more than "padam padam"

weird thing where the verse is much better than the chorus though

I like this LOADS more than "Padam Padam". Wow indeed.

Yeah, this is brilliant and so much better than My Oh My.

I know there was talk of doing a Kylie poll on here one day. That would be a blast.

ILM Ballot Polls for 2020 and beyond -- the ordering, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

had to check as was wondering if the next kylie album was going to be a full on blessed madonna production.
which would be great imho.
unfortunately turns out this collab track is for blessed madonnas album and a one off.
so far.

i'm not really sure but this sounds like either an orgy or a k hole on the dance floor, maybe it's both?

"I didn't come to hold up the walls
I’m going deeper, deeper
Six deep in the bathroom stalls
A different creature, yeah
Why walk when you can crawl?"

the lyrics in this are so evocative, just the right amount of darkness and dedication to partying, i feel blessed that she had this rolling around in her at 56 lol. and blessed madonna's production is sublime of course. they're perfect together. an album if it happened could be incredible. as it is i'm just glad we got this one. agree that "my oh my" was weak sauce.

i still like it mind

def one of Kylie's better collabs. absolutely wild that she's 56 btw it's a very difficult proposition to pull off being a pop star of a *certain age* and not look ridiculous but she manages it better than almost anyone else.

I'm not one of those people who obsessively plays new tracks over and over again within a short space of time, but DAMN I am OBSESSED with this. Everything about it - production, lyrics, vibe - feels precision-tooled to be my personal catnip, and the thought of playing it out tomorrow night is a serious thrill; I know exactly where it's going to sit within the set.

(Yeah, it's alright.)

11:59?

i had a vision of playing it right before midnight and then jumping into "100% pure love" by crystal waters

this is so good i love it

The penny's dropped with 100% Pure Love!

Really into it also. It’s a Raye joint, which you can really hear in the middle eight. I think there’s a version with her vocals on it that the Blessed Madonna was playing live. Not sure how Kylie ended up on it exactly but it’s fun to hear her doing something like this.

The lyrics are also very Raye

That one-note chuggy section immediately reminded me of Boris Brejcha: Up Down Jumper, which I always play with the acappella from Texas Hold 'Em on top (get the two together in the right place, and it just sounds wonderful).

Lo and behold, it's the same note, same key, same rhythm, just 5bpm apart. So it's a Beyonce > Kylie mix for me tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNe7OrleTlg

the verse sounds very gaga

there is a proper video now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8lPeWRBLvE

😎

they were in ibiza a few weeks back, i think that's where a lot of the footage is from?

Played it out tonight, and Oh My God it landed hard, epic scenes etc. The sonics at volume are exquisite.

awesome. yeah it sounds incredible. that sweet spot where it's loud but also deep and clear. i also played it out last night. most people didn't seem to know it yet but it went over well. kylie doesn't really register with my crowd. doja cat on the other hand... the little shits. i kid. kind of.

little tease of "lights camera action" on her insta has me EXCITED, brings to mind gaga x charli.. "tension ii" out 10/18!!!

oh dude i was coming here to post this just now

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAF8pUjN7zC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVqr8hwjVY

damn that rules

^^^

extended mix necessary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Oj7p0ZGPk

song of the year tbh

drag queens around the world are rejoicing

The run she’s on is absolutely insane tbh

massive

why in the world is an extended mix less than 4 mins long ;_;

Her last three albums have all been LP length with later Extended Mixes versions that are an hour long

https://i.imgur.com/M1f5ruX.png

This single is so good and it's one of her best videos in a long time.

Crazy to think this decade alone she's put out Say Something, Magic, Padam Padam, Tension, Hold On To Now, Edge Of Saturday Night and now this. All instant classic singles that would add to her already incredible back catalogue. I don't know how she does it.

https://i.imgur.com/WbqIDvP.png

Nice

The new album seems quite slight, especially with the songs being so short, but there's some great stuff here. It definitely works better as an album if you stop it after Edge Of Saturday Night.

should I go see her live next year? still quite a few seats available

Do it! I’m going.

I’m going too! I don’t think she has toured around the US in over a decade.

btw the new album is 13 songs in 36:47, so it does seem like there was an effort to keep all the songs extra short

On one listen “Hello” is a bit too much of a padam rewrite but the rest of the new tracks are fun

this album is *almost* all bangers, the Sia track is kinda generic and the Orville Peck collab is more just fun than it is really good. everything else is the good shit.

the sia track does sound written in 5 minutes but it fits the vibe and I think it works better as a Kylie featuring sia song than the other way around. has grown on me.

I kind of want to hear the Orville song with just Kylie doing all the parts

i don't think the Sia track is bad or anything, in fact it's better than i thought it would be considering the takes i read here and there.

i actually really like Hello a lot -- once it kicks in properly around the 30 second mark it starts killing it.

this is a really cohesive album, up thru EOSN. It does sound like a very skilled attempt at capturing the "Padam Padam" lightning in a bottle with almost every track being under 3 min and several of them having a *really* similar style, and it feels more like a bonus album than a real major statement, but in that capacity it's really impressive. There are plenty of people out there who seem to prefer this to Tension itself, and while I'm definitely not one of them, I can understand the perspective.

It’s definitely has a “mini-album” or “bonus album” vibes, and I can see how the previously released collab tracks at the end feels like further “bonus tracks”. But you are right the fact that it doesn’t take itself too seriously or try to do much is one of its strengths.

I'm underwhelmed by this, but I never got much enjoyment from Padam Padam so no surprise that what is essentially a Padam Padam-knockoff extended EP/mini LP is not rising to the top.

just heard the extended version of tension ii (was only available for a few days on her website, you can find it on YouTube at least for now) and a lot of the songs breathe better at 3-4 minutes with longer intros and breakdowns. Not sure they all need the extended touch, but it does make them slightly trackier/closer to classic extended disco tracks. There are random times where the instrumental breakdown happens in the middle of the second verse / before the second chorus, but otherwise worth checking out.