Sacred cows to the slaughter.
Mine was Odessey and Oracle, bought a few weeks back. I played it all day for a day or two and then it started sounded a little threadbare.... it's good and all, but I really don't see that its up there with even the first few Bee Gees records, never mind the run of 4 Kinks records from Face to Face -> I guess if I'd chanced on it untrumpeted I'd be bigging it up, but from being forgotten, I reckon it's gone to overrated....
*hides*
― sonofstan, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 01:26 (seventeen years ago)
Oh God this happens to me all the time. Most recently, Zappa's Freak Out!
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 01:39 (seventeen years ago)
I'm gonna get a slap for this, but Pet Sounds just left me cold. None of my favourite Beach Boys songs are on it, and there are heaps better albums from the same year.
― ecuador_with_a_c, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 01:58 (seventeen years ago)
lcd soundsystem - sound of silver
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 02:21 (seventeen years ago)
Odessy and Oracle is one of the greatest albums of all time. I agree about Pet Sounds, possibly most overrated 'classic' album this side of Layla.
My contribution here is If I Could Only Remember My Name - aside from that "Cowboy Movie" song, pretty bland, and nowhere near as good as the first Nash / Crosby album.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 02:27 (seventeen years ago)
Oh and that Dennis Wilson album too - Zzzzzzzzzzzz and not in a good way
joni mitchell - blue
― Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:40 (seventeen years ago)
You know, the Mandy Moore/Michael Stipe version of "God Only Knows" came up on the iPod today, and I realized that I wasn't minding it so much since it didn't have freakin' Mike Love coming in after the bridge going "bah-buh-bah-buh bah BAH" on it.
So yeah. I love Pet Sounds, but I don't defend it as much as other records.
― өөө (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 04:20 (seventeen years ago)
Mine was Odessey and Oracle, bought a few weeks back. I played it all day for a day or two and then it started sounded a little threadbare.... it's good and all, but I really don't see that its up there with even the first few Bee Gees records
Ouch, and I like those Bee Gees records.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 04:25 (seventeen years ago)
Village Green Preservation Society
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 09:41 (seventeen years ago)
Yeh, Pacific Ocean Blue - what the fuck? This is just really shit 70s AOR, right?
Still don't get Steely Dan. They manage to both annoy me AND bore me, which is quite a trick.
I was lied to about Orbs Adventures in the Underworld orwhatever. Ambient != monotonous.
― NotEnough, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 12:59 (seventeen years ago)
Oh God this happens to me all the time.
Ditto. Most of my record-buying these days is trying to sort out all of the canonical shit that I missed when I was growing up.
The most recent of these was This Nation's Saving Grace. I agree with O&O and Pacific Ocean Blue (both of which were in this year's haul).
― she is living in an auto tune (kingkongvsgodzilla), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 13:29 (seventeen years ago)
The Boredoms, Super Ae. People keep telling me it's funny but I don't get the joke!
― rjberry, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)
It was a compilation rather than a proper album, but I finally caught up with Syd Barrett this year and his stuff left me stone cold.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 15:13 (seventeen years ago)
Anything by the Animal Collective. I'm trying, I really am. But besides a few songs, they just don't do anything for me at all.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 15:41 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, Pacific Ocean Blue is some vile shit. If you're going to create seventies studio-rock, make sure you can sing first.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 15:45 (seventeen years ago)
Terry Riley's Reed Streams (1966). AFAIK, the first album released by minimalist composer. Its just not very palatable compared to Poppy Nogood (1968) or A Rainbow in Curved Air (1969).
I could mention the Bowie/Eno Berlin trilogy (Heroes, Low, & Lodger), not because they're not great, but because I got to them after a decade of listening to the bands these were a central inspiration for. So they didn't carry the astonishment at art music interacting with glam, as they must have to people who heard them upon release.
Bunches of New Wave/New Romantic albums that really are just as well dissected for the singles...
― derelict, Thursday, 1 January 2009 00:28 (seventeen years ago)
Fairport Convention's Liege and Lief. Lumpen, muddy, makes me think of soggy roll-ups, split ends, sour beer, smelly feet.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 9 January 2009 11:03 (seventeen years ago)
The Slits - Cut
― ilxor, Friday, 9 January 2009 13:52 (seventeen years ago)
never even saw this thread until now, but yeah Pacific Ocean Blue should have stayed unreleased.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 04:04 (fifteen years ago)
i like everything mentioned on this thread. except animal collective. i mean i really like everything except that.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 04:21 (fifteen years ago)
i tried again with mission of burma a couple weeks ago. i try every few years. just can't hang with them! i like fight song/revolver and that's about it. did like them live though when i saw them a few years back. meanwhile i played some gang of four for the first time in a long time and it sounded awesome!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 04:24 (fifteen years ago)
The Who: Tommy and Sell Out.
― we wanted lime (mike a), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 04:34 (fifteen years ago)
i heard the raincoats s/t for the first time today, it didn't do much for me.
― Mosquepanik at Ground Zero (abanana), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 05:05 (fifteen years ago)
This thread makes me sad. This in particular
made me cringe. I think I have appreciated all the albums listed here on some level, although some hit me on a gut level more than others. I recently listened to Afghan Whigs Gentleman and found it abhorrent. I know it's not a universally regarded classic like Pet Sounds but people have been telling me I should get into Greg Dulli for years, and now I know I never will. The entire tone of the album was both misogynistic and wimpy. I just did. not. get. it.
― FRESH MEAT (MFB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 09:44 (fifteen years ago)
Odessey and Oracle
cosign on both of these, especially the second. maybe you had to be there? like, getting high on pot for the first time ever?
i heard some other kinks tunes the other day and i liked them WAY better than vgps
― messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 09:58 (fifteen years ago)
Agree with posters above that Pacific Ocen Blue by Dennis Wilson is dull dull dull.
― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:07 (fifteen years ago)
The XX album - it's really bland!
― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:11 (fifteen years ago)
A recent one for me is Sad Wings of Destiny. Itmostly just sounds more like plodding post blues rock to me. I can see how some elements on their could be hugely influential on modern metal, and maybe that's interesting historically, but it wasn't very fun to listen to.
― meat by mistake (kkvgz), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:19 (fifteen years ago)
people nominating Pacific Ocean Blue in this thread are getting fecal treats in their stocking come Christmas time this year
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)
I mean rilly I have to be in the right mood for it but what other Beach Boy would we have gotten such a gloomy and dark album from? I think his unreleased album was even better.
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 11:44 (fifteen years ago)
BLACKsummersnight
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)
I prefer even things like Brian's '88 solo album to POB. It doesn't sound dark to me - just like a really boring JJ Cale album. I keep trying to get into it but it just washes over me and I forget I'm listening to it.
― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 11:54 (fifteen years ago)
i really dislike pacific ocean blue. boring songs and dennis' voice isn't great.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 12:03 (fifteen years ago)
his voice is perfect for the music, raw and rough around the edges. he was never the shimmering smooth-voiced member of the band.
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 12:09 (fifteen years ago)
The entire tone of the album was both misogynistic and wimpy. I just did. not. get. it.
its not to everyone's tastes, but i'd argue the album hardly celebrates misogyny, and is focused instead upon dissecting/presenting fucked up male sexuality, with criticism of said sexuality implied.
― Stevie is a bit lame, if you hate fun (stevie), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 12:12 (fifteen years ago)
i tried again with mission of burma a couple weeks ago. i try every few years. just can't hang with them! i like fight song/revolver and that's about it.
Have you listened to Vs.? It's their masterpiece, and much more interesting than Signals, Calls and Marches. Probably my favorite album from that early 80's post-punk/art-rock era.
― 'ello govna, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:23 (fifteen years ago)
Workingman's Dead - aside from the singles it's just kind of a sleepy, mopey album that doesn't stay with me.
― Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:25 (fifteen years ago)
gotta say Michael Jackson's Thriller. My father threw it at me but he missed.
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:26 (fifteen years ago)
its not to everyone's tastes,
Obviously not
― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)
xpost the album's awesome tho
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)
It's a pretty good album, it's not awesome. It's like "Tusk", it couldn't possibly live up to the hyperbole it receives on ILM and in other quarters, and that annoys people so much they dismiss out of hand.
― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)
lol that was an xpost to my MJ's Thriller post, sorry
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)
Oh, ha ha. Now that album is awesome!
― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:34 (fifteen years ago)
I keep giving Trout Mask Replica a chance, but every time I do I dislike it. I like a lot of noisy/experimental music, so I feel like this should be right up my alley. For whatever reason, it's not.
― 'ello govna, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)
The Slits - Cut― ilxor, Friday, January 9, 2009 7:52 AM (1 year ago)
― ilxor, Friday, January 9, 2009 7:52 AM (1 year ago)
A year and a half later I've come around v. nicely to this album, it's great!
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:46 (fifteen years ago)
Hotel California. Always loved the title track and wanted to hear the rest of the album to see if it matched up. Boy was I mistaken, what a load of crud.
― margana (anagram), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:48 (fifteen years ago)
wasted time is worth a listen just to hear were i believe i can fly comes from.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:50 (fifteen years ago)
where
I hate the Eagles.
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:58 (fifteen years ago)
Here's my current addition to this thread (sorry, Gary):
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BR-l63C-2iA/R-ZYBRjA4GI/AAAAAAAAB2k/SDsMhTmIRJ4/s320/Gary+Numan+ThePleasurePrinciple1.jpg
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)
I love "Hotel California" and "Take It To The Limit" but otherwise I'm with you on that one.
xp
― margana (anagram), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)
You've gotta be kidding ilxor, TPP is a masterpiece.
― margana (anagram), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 14:06 (fifteen years ago)
Trans-Europe Express. I love Kraftwerk lots, but this is the opposite of Radioactivity in that all the songs are long and lumpen.
― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 14:08 (fifteen years ago)
LOL, it's uncanny how we don't agree about anything.
Going back a bit now, but "What Goes On", always struck me as a bit prissy and pretentious.
― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)
I would second that. Scott, iirc you're a Throwing Muses fan - have a listen to 'Mica' cos it's sort of a blueprint for their early stuff as far as my ears can tell.
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:32 (fifteen years ago)
I didn't read it as an endorsement of misogyny, I just thought it was a very trite treatment of the subject. In some ways it's certainly a subjective/taste thing as lyrics that deal directly with sex/sexual frustration never really do much for me, except for, like, Prince. I was really surprised how whiny Dulli's voice was considering he's spawned his own subgenre/cottage industry. There is some nice, moody guitar work, etc. going on but the whole thing comes off as a humorless bore of self-loathing. I'm sure the exact same criticism, with a few modifications, could be made of Mark Kozelek's work, but I adore the man. So yeah, subjectivity.
As far as classic albums: anything by Pink Floyd except Piper. I don't even know where to begin. This is a piece of the classic rock canon I will never understand.
― FRESH MEAT (MFB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)
I was really surprised how whiny Dulli's voice was considering he's spawned his own subgenre/cottage industry. There is some nice, moody guitar work, etc. going on but the whole thing comes off as a humorless bore of self-loathing.
Really? I'd describe Dulli's work as a lot of things but "humorless" is definitely NOT one of them!
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)
the whole thing comes off as a humorless bore of self-loathing.
Oh man, seriously Dulli can be the funniest fucker in the world sometimes imo. xp
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:39 (fifteen years ago)
Well like I said, I'm not getting it. Keep in mind Gentlemen is my only exposure.
― FRESH MEAT (MFB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:39 (fifteen years ago)
i dunno how anyone can hear "what jail is like" and not hear a dumptruck-sized dose of self-loathing. i'm not saying dulli's *not* a misogynist -- getting a woman to sing the album's most self-debasing song? -- but he is more complex than being *just* a misogynist.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:44 (fifteen years ago)
I wouldn't say Dulli's a misogynist at all. There's a mean humorous streak running through a ton of his work. Everything from "Be Sweet" to "John the Baptist" to his cover of Mary J. Blige's "Real Love" is filled with it.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:54 (fifteen years ago)
He does do a lot of the obnoxious tough-guy asshole act, but underneath you can tell that he's really secretly an obnoxious weak-guy asshole. I do love him though.
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 20:09 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.kalamu.com/bol/wp-content/content/images/maggot%20brain%20cover.jpg
I have to confess I never understood why "Maggot Brain" was considered such a classic. It starts with a nice enough guitar solo, and ends with a decent groove and some funny sound effects, and between them are several vignettes of funk songs which haven't got the time to develop properly, and which have some bland group vocals. Didn't this band a have proper vocalist, or why does it sound like the whole band is shouting (pretty discordantly) on every tune with vocals?
Okay, I do understand why the guitar solo is considered great by those people who care a lot about guitar solos, but is one solo plus the funny noises enough to make an album classic?
― Tuomas, Monday, 17 January 2011 16:05 (fifteen years ago)
one solo plus the funny noises
Most hilarious reduction of an entire album I've ever read.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:08 (fifteen years ago)
Well, that's pretty much all I remember of the album (I haven't listened to it since I bought it). Nothing else on it was that memorable.
― Tuomas, Monday, 17 January 2011 16:10 (fifteen years ago)
i'm not like hugely crazy about the album but "can you get to that" is top ten songs ever.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 January 2011 17:34 (fifteen years ago)
joni mitchelltom waits
there must be an obvious classic album for each of these but the stuff ive heard is distinctly not knocking me out one jot. i like some tom waits but a whole album? oyyyy.
― piscesx, Monday, 17 January 2011 17:41 (fifteen years ago)
I would agree with you on Joni Mitchell's Blue but it clicked recently after 10 years of trying.
― 전승 Complete Victory (in Battle) (NotEnough), Monday, 17 January 2011 17:48 (fifteen years ago)
if at first you don't succeed...
― Gukbe, Monday, 17 January 2011 18:01 (fifteen years ago)
― difficult listening hour, Monday, January 17, 2011 11:34 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
^yes.
Tom Waits though. Still haven't managed to get to that.
― ________ (will), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
I don't want to derail the thread (as mentioning this album often does) but I don't see what seperates In the Aeroplane over the Sea from like a dozen other indie/folk/pop/whatever albums. To me it's a solid album with some great tracks ("Holland 1945", "Ghost", and "Untitled") but as a whole I don't get the whole aethestic of acoustic guitar over VERY LOUD SINGING.
― frogbs, Monday, 17 January 2011 18:40 (fifteen years ago)
dude i know aerosmith is banned but have a heart
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
i don't get My Bloody Valentine, Neutral Milk Hotel, or Pavement -- basically the 90s indie canon is totally unremarkable to me
― Mordy, Monday, 17 January 2011 18:44 (fifteen years ago)
Whoa, aerosmith is banned? How come?
― original bgm, Monday, 17 January 2011 19:08 (fifteen years ago)
The Geffen Records years
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Monday, 17 January 2011 19:13 (fifteen years ago)
self-banned iirc
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 19:15 (fifteen years ago)
Ah.
And major lolz at that x-post.
― original bgm, Monday, 17 January 2011 19:19 (fifteen years ago)
You can add me to the NMH-not-getters tbh. I even like a few other E6 bands, but not them.
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 17 January 2011 20:16 (fifteen years ago)
is there a 'What happened to ________?' thread?
― some hills are never seen (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 17 January 2011 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
Count me in the not getting the NMH cult camp too. I mean, both albums are pretty solid (though I think the first one is slightly better), but I don't understand how especially that second record garners all this "OMG Jeff Mangum is a GENIUS and AEROPLANE is the BEST RECORD EVER" gushing.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 January 2011 23:40 (fifteen years ago)
i'm usually always knocked out by classic records when i hear them
i respect the canon more than anyone i think
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 23:41 (fifteen years ago)
xpost in my experience, once you accept the love for Jesus K.Rist it's all gold
and Tom Waits - Rain Dogs ftw imo
PS im Nick Canon too. totally respect the context/history along with the sound and feel like it's a personal challenge to expand my taste if I don't 'get' something that's considered classic. not so much w/ other mediums but def music
― Mangrove Earthshoe (herb albert), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:00 (fifteen years ago)
what I hate is the moment you admit you don't like an album in the canon to someone who is a huge fan, and they go "wtf? you need to listen to it again!"
thanks, never considered that was the problem all along, not listening to an album I don't like enough.
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:01 (fifteen years ago)
I like NMH but I am curious as to how Aeroplane took off into this massive cult classic 5+ years after release - I know it was pretty well thought of among US indie fans in the late 90s but they were never even the most known E6 band in my gang of UK indie friends (Olivia Tremor Control and Apples In Stereo got a lot more press over here, by which I mean "still not that much really")
so I was pretty baffled in around 2006 when I was at a festival and they played it over the PA in one of the smaller tents and a big group of people younger than me were making a big show of singing and swaying along, because I had apparently totally missed it becoming canonised while OTC were gently forgotten about
― agrarian gamekeeper (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:03 (fifteen years ago)
there's shit i totally love that took me, jeez, probably 10 years to like...
i couldn't stand bitches brew by miles when i heard it in college, just didn't get it at all, tons of stuff i love now...actually jazz in general, so glad i have some sorta weird sense of obligation cuz i would have just given up and missed so much beauty
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:03 (fifteen years ago)
I just don't like it when people take it as a personal challenge to MAKE you like their canonical favorite.Because if history is any indicator, I'll come around to liking it on my own, eventually. Or not.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:05 (fifteen years ago)
yeah that sux
but i guess i always figure -- to a point -- if ppl whose opinions i respect like stuff there must be something to it...even like non-canon stuff like the goons on ilx have made me check out way more no-nyc rap than i ever would have and a lot of it has been great
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:06 (fifteen years ago)
for sure there's a few like that for me as well, but sometimes an album just won't ever click with me, too. I just dislike that someone won't accept that someone disliking an album is an invalid opinion!
xxpost -- lol dammit
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:06 (fifteen years ago)
well rap IS a good example of where that has happened for me, 3 years ago I couldn't stand slow southern club rap, but it's more or less because I'd barely heard any of it and hadn't listened real closely.
compared with like the eagles, whom I know I'll never like, regardless of what you put in my baloney sandwich
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:07 (fifteen years ago)
I didn't like so many of my favorite albums on first listen (Aeroplane included for same reasons, Magnum's whiny nasal yawlp was the worst). by now I figure if something really affects me it's at least worth further exploration.
but everyone's different
― Mangrove Earthshoe (herb albert), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:15 (fifteen years ago)
Pitchfork put in Aeroplane in the top ten of their Top Albums of the 1990s feature that they compiled in 2003. I have heard that Pitchfork are quite the tastemakers so maybe that had an impact in its seeming canoniztion in the 2000s? Along with Bee Thousand and I See a Darkness, it was one of the three albums in their 1990s top ten that I never really "got".
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:16 (fifteen years ago)
bee thousand is just awesome catchy garage pop tunes, what's to get?
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:24 (fifteen years ago)
yeah was gonna say I was like 30 when that album came out and it was immediately taken to by the indiesphere of the day.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:30 (fifteen years ago)
oh wait I was 28, how the time flies
Ummm, Night Beat by Sam Cooke.
I LOVE Live at the Harlem Square Club, and I by no means think Night Beat is in any way 'bad' - but aside from the killer guitar playing and "Lost and Lookin,'" this just sounds like a pretty good soul album - not the life changing 40 minutes I was told it would be.
also, Slowdive in general. I like 'em just OK. What's the big deal?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:42 (fifteen years ago)
I'm pretty into the canon too, but the more expanded view--where there's like 100 canonical albums from 1972 and you're not required to love all of them.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:43 (fifteen years ago)
I guess it weren't that catchy to me. Chacun à son goût and all that.
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:49 (fifteen years ago)
Bee Thousand is much easier to grasp as a bunch of catchy mini-songs, than as a work of genius of whatever.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:54 (fifteen years ago)
Jeff Buckley's Grace. I still think, to this day, that a large part of the album's success is purely because of the guy's ravishing good looks.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 02:22 (fifteen years ago)
i think jeff buckley had a beautiful voice and people forgive him for having never ever written an interesting song because there was always the potential that he might have done something great eventually just because of his voice. and also maybe he has that martyr's aura surrounding him, though i suppose classic rock types were enthralled even when he was alive so maybe i am wrong.
― keythhtyek, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 03:27 (fifteen years ago)
Grace is amazing. idk hwo one can think he didn't write anything interesting, the songs are gorgeous!
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 03:31 (fifteen years ago)
Bonnie Raitt - Give It Up
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 03:32 (fifteen years ago)
Live at Leeds.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 05:03 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, WTF at Jeff Buckley criticism - there are some fantastic self-penned songs on Grace; "Last Goodbye" being a good example. The only reason I could see people hating on it is because of its ostensible "classic-rockness", which is a foregone dismissal as there's quite more to the record than AOR hoariness. And yes, his voice is pretty special.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 11:53 (fifteen years ago)
i feel like woody allen in manhattan, and you are all diane keaton after the trip to the museum, talking about yr academy of the overrated.
― chev rivera (stevie), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:11 (fifteen years ago)
oh, bloody Astral Weeks. don't get it.
― sometimes all it takes is a healthy dose of continental indiepop (tomofthenest), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:23 (fifteen years ago)
stevie: isn't that the point?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:36 (fifteen years ago)
This thread is just a ruse to isolate those who are not one with the canon and ridicule them...I'm onto it!
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:39 (fifteen years ago)
Roni Size - New Forms — Don't get it at all.
― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:40 (fifteen years ago)
this is the only jeff buckley song i know. but i don't know his version. i've always liked it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BThMWI25qg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:40 (fifteen years ago)
i figure if he's okay with katatonia he's okay with me.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:42 (fifteen years ago)
alf: i'm guessing, but that's still my response. i guess i feel that way about other records too. i just find that whole "can't believe the TASTEMAKERS and HIPSTERS think this is cool lol" undercurrent to, say, kids building a cult around ITAOTS.
― chev rivera (stevie), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:44 (fifteen years ago)
i find it tiresome, is what i mean. i am horrifically jetlagged right now.
but tbh i probs feel the same way about radiohead, etc. narcicism of small differences, etc.
― chev rivera (stevie), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:45 (fifteen years ago)
Scott - look up Everybody Here Wants You! That's one of my favs of his
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:49 (fifteen years ago)
i like plenty of 'classic rock' canon fodder - van morrison, the band, bob dylan, scott walker blahdiblah - and have always thought that jeff buckley was the most ghastly rub - pretentious, overwrought, ugly-sounding. his dad ain't all that, either.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 14:13 (fifteen years ago)
i like pretentious music. i'm a big beethoven fan. scott walker is classic rock can fodder?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 14:53 (fifteen years ago)
er, "canon"
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 14:54 (fifteen years ago)
Scott 4 is canon, definitely.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 14:56 (fifteen years ago)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, January 18, 2011 12:03 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Wow. Hard to see that and Maggot Brain on here, but each to his/her own.
― The Curse of Dennis Stratton (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 14:58 (fifteen years ago)
maybe in the u.k. or japan, i guess.
x-post
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 14:59 (fifteen years ago)
99.3% of the u.s.a. has never heard a note of scott walker. and only 5% remember the walker brothers. if that.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:00 (fifteen years ago)
yeah scott walker prob isn't v 'rock' tho he is def canonical (maybe esp in britain/europe?) was just kinda reaching for someone good w a big voice and big ideas.
i like pretentious music too, maybe i just don't like the things that jeff buckley is pretending to be, or wanted to be, or was.
x-post!!
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:00 (fifteen years ago)
"Wow. Hard to see that and Maggot Brain on here, but each to his/her own."
says the guy who hates led zeppelin.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:03 (fifteen years ago)
wait you are the guy that hates led zep right?
I don't if it hits as immediately hard as some of Van's other albums, but "Madame George", the title track, "Sweet Thing" and "Cyprus Avenue" have a smoldering intensity to them that grows on repeated listens for me.
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:19 (fifteen years ago)
i couldn't stand bitches brew by miles when i heard it in college, just didn't get it at all
Yeah, this is such a good example of something that took me some time to grow into. I checked it out from the local library in high school because I'd been reading about how innovative Miles was, and I completely hated it. Just despised it. Came back to it about 8 years later and now I can't imagine living without it. Its one of the few albums that is ALWAYS on my iPod, no matter how much I reshuffle whats on it.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:26 (fifteen years ago)
I've never actually listened to Astral Weeks, but I do like Sweet Thing (only know it from Best Of)
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:28 (fifteen years ago)
I've listened to that album (AW) 20 times, and I couldn't tell you which of those songs are which.
All I hear is "BRAAA- LA LAA LAAA LA". I mean, it's beautiful in its own way, but that's it.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:30 (fifteen years ago)
You better not be a Scott Walker fan, then...
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:43 (fifteen years ago)
Who's he?
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:45 (fifteen years ago)
:-D
He's this lounge singer from Las Vegas who went to England and got crazy famous.
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:51 (fifteen years ago)
Then forgot to go home, and now punches beef.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:58 (fifteen years ago)
"pretentious" implies undeserved — i wouldn't say that about scott walker
― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:10 (fifteen years ago)
Black Monk Time
― busytits (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:15 (fifteen years ago)
the thing that irritates me about jeff buckley is that his dad is 10X more amazing and no one really rates him
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
i rate him. plenty of people like him.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:25 (fifteen years ago)
but, no, he hasn't sold as many records as his son.
Often remarked upon, that they died at the same age.
Not so often, that Tim had made a load of albums and had laid off of the prevarication...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:27 (fifteen years ago)
didn't he hire an elderly man to hit the meat for him?
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:28 (fifteen years ago)
say what?
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:28 (fifteen years ago)
― scott seward, Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:03 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yes. With qualifications, i like some of their stuff, like some of the funkier parts of Physical Graffiti and most of In Through the Out Door. The rest I cant stand.
― The Curse of Dennis Stratton (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:29 (fifteen years ago)
I got a couple of theirs recently.
2 was dull, zoso was alright if you skip Stairway.
As I'm with you on Phys, I'll have to checkout InThru at some point.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:31 (fifteen years ago)
Anyway, back to being meh about "Tusk" etc.
you might dig houses of the holy if u like physical graffiti
all led zep rules and pwns
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:32 (fifteen years ago)
If that's the one with Trampled, I have that single.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:33 (fifteen years ago)
Oh that's phys as well, innit?
just checked the track listing, Crunge and Jamaica etc.
Yeah, someone played it to me back when.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:35 (fifteen years ago)
I should say I like parts of III, pretty much all of that except that excruciating blues workout they do on it. God I hate that.
― The Curse of Dennis Stratton (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:35 (fifteen years ago)
I'm trying to think of a canonical album I really really don't like, but then I find I like most (what is generally considered) "good" music if I give it a chance.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:37 (fifteen years ago)
forever changes by love
i really really want to like it but i just don't.
― jumpskins, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:37 (fifteen years ago)
I could never see what everyone else sees in
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:38 (fifteen years ago)
nah, can't think of one.
I still like "Wow" more than "Moby Grape" the first one, but hey, that's just me...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:40 (fifteen years ago)
defending led zep is like defending pizza. or oral sex. there's just no point. the goodness is right there in front of you.
tusk though! man, just keep on trying. try for 20 years if you have too. it will be worth it in the end.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:43 (fifteen years ago)
Oh, I got one from Fopp for a fiver.
Haven't played it yet, so.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:45 (fifteen years ago)
Astral Weeks is ultra-classic for the bass playing alone, Morrison was backed by jazz Titans on that record
― Mangrove Earthshoe (herb albert), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:00 (fifteen years ago)
yeah idk how peeps can't love astral weeks, so beautiful and spiritual imo
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:02 (fifteen years ago)
i love all these musics, scott and van jimmy somewhere out there in "heaven" on their journey to the end of time
― enfuque (Matt P), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:10 (fifteen years ago)
except theyre all still alive
― enfuque (Matt P), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:11 (fifteen years ago)
:(
ilm used to despise van. or the brits on ilm did anyway. they were rebelling against their stepmums or something. if you check old van threads.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:17 (fifteen years ago)
I think I just ~got~ Tusk yesterday! I love the Mac & loved its singles but the album is long & at least superficially disjointed, so I could never see how to get inside the album. & now I do.
― Euler, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:19 (fifteen years ago)
vinyl helps. cuz when i play the vinyl i just play one side over and over and over. you sink into one side at a time.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:32 (fifteen years ago)
^ this is a good point. and if one side seems markedly better than the other(s), you can just stick with what's working. turn it over a few years down the line and get a surprise (for better or worse)
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:35 (fifteen years ago)
How can you not like Album X? It obviously deserves its classic status? I beg you to listen to it again and you will surely learn to appreciate its many charms.
On the other hand, I must add anything by The Spacemen 3 into this list. These guys are just not my cup of musical tea, it would seem.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:46 (fifteen years ago)
cecil taylor - silent tongues
haven't given up, but cecil is a tough nut
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
I'm always surprised how boring Can albums are.
― Darin, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
contenderizer you made me dig out my copy of silent tongues and it sounds p amazing to me, what's not to like/get - incredible speed of thought/deed, rhythmic intensity, beautiful moments, moments when he's taking the piss, jazzy bits, classical bits, all cecilized for yr pleasure - just so exciting! better than punk rock!
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:25 (fifteen years ago)
yeah actually, out of all the jazz legends, i've found cecil taylor the hardest to get into. love ornette, ayler, other free jazz bros, but I haven't had that moment with cecil. i kind of expect it'll happen sooner or later.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
this thread is terrible
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
I tried to get into Hounds of Love after the last big 80s poll and came up totally blank. I agree with Tuomas on Maggot Brain.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:36 (fifteen years ago)
there are tons of albums i didn't get at first but gradually grew into, and tons of them are among my favorites now -- the fall, 'astral weeks,' 'in a silent way,' 'village green preservation society.' i even like some mid-70s floyd now, which i never thought i'd come around to. i'm a lot less quick to dismiss anything than i used to be. i spent years dismissing zappa (with embarrassingly little exposure to his music), but finally hearing 'we're only in it for the money' was eye-opening.
don't think i will ever come around to jeff buckley, but do enjoy the albums of his dad's that i've heard.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:10 (fifteen years ago)
what's not to like/get - incredible speed of thought/deed, rhythmic intensity, beautiful moments, moments when he's taking the piss, jazzy bits, classical bits, all cecilized for yr pleasure - just so exciting! better than punk rock!
lol yeah, i get all that and do take a certain dizzied pleasure from the record, but most of the appeal is intellectual. i'm impressed by the speed, dexterity, density, etc., but i also struggle with a kind of harried frustration. suspect that this music is simply too hyper and fractured to grant the simple rewards i most appreciate: sustained and pleasing tune, beat, tone or mood. i have the same problem with arty spazz music like zorn & projects involving mike patton, most of your more "extreme" metal and punk, even some of the giants of spiritual free jazz (a genre i do often enjoy).
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:19 (fifteen years ago)
Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
I WANTED WANTED WANTED to like this but I find the actual melody of every song/the guitar & drum-work so utterly boring that it makes what joy I derive from at least the lyrics unbearable. I honestly listened to this 6-7 times hoping it would just "happen" (like it did with that new AC album after at least 12 full-on listenings b/c I kept being reminded by the collective press that they were such a great band) but so far it hasn't happened yet. Maybe it will, or maybe it really just is literate but boring music.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:22 (fifteen years ago)
The Moles - Untune the sky
Damn this is so great. CUUUUUUUUUUUUURDDDDDLLLLLLE
― yuoowemeone, Friday, 5 August 2011 09:49 (fourteen years ago)
it says "weren't". I was intrigued by the Moles as they were compared to the Boo Radleys (I think?) but they didn't sound anything like them so I instinctly switched em off. Should try it out again.
― Why'd You Wanna Tweet Me So Bad? (dog latin), Friday, 5 August 2011 09:53 (fourteen years ago)
uggh oops. yeah it's a killer album
― yuoowemeone, Friday, 5 August 2011 10:18 (fourteen years ago)
Mary Margaret O'Hara, Miss America. Just not getting it at the moment.
― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 23 June 2016 17:54 (nine years ago)
luomo- vocalcity
i have such a hard time with house. the repetition grates on me. pure hypocrisy on my part because i can listen to, like, the stooges all day long, but for some reason when house does it i get really bored really quickly. :(
― hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:07 (nine years ago)
Annette Peacock - The Aura Years. It sounds like it was leftover from earlier in the seventies.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 24 June 2016 00:57 (nine years ago)
I wonder if the Groove is in the Heart band did anything else? *puts on World Clique* that's what I'm talking about...
― Closed Beta (NotEnough), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 13:40 (eight years ago)
but did it knock you out?
― the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 13:44 (eight years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3gTLXpXxtk
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 13:58 (eight years ago)
― Darin, Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:22 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 14:33 (eight years ago)
Deee-Lite sorta petered out but Towa Tei's had a pretty extensive career since then. Check out "GBI" which sounds like his own attempt to make a "Groove is in the Heart" type single, but with Kylie Minogue instead.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:46 (eight years ago)
Cheap Trick "Dream Police" rn
title track is like Sparks via Queen. "Gonna Raise Hell" is the lost Iron "No New York" track.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 July 2018 21:30 (seven years ago)
lost Iron Maiden.
or Judas Priest
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 July 2018 21:31 (seven years ago)
oh fuck this is the wrong thread
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 July 2018 21:32 (seven years ago)
this album rules. definitely not not knocked out by this
Not so much album since this was a standout track on a compilation surrounded by decent music but nothing that stood out as much to me. I heard the guitar on Skinhead Moonstomp by Symarip which is really surprising. I must have heard it before so surprised i is hitting me as a surprise but it isn't what I would have expected, though not sure what that is. It's noisy , quasi psychedelic possibly and more about creating distortion with a clean guitar without pedals though possibly with a slide. I think it may sound like guitar of its time in 1970 when I think I might be expecting something more linear or rhythm oriented. I haven't listened to the lp in a while so not sure if there is more of this style elsewhere. Also not checked if this is the standard version or not. But really struck me as a bit other for the song it was a part of.
Had me thinking of Syd Barret or Blixa Bargeld or something . Though more compressed timewise and fitting within the music played but still like totally abstract.
― Stevo, Monday, 10 July 2023 09:43 (two years ago)
yeah seeing somebody else mentioning they posted to the wrong thread further up the thread I thought this was were knocked out by but its weren't.Only noticed when it said that four years pass since last message.
― Stevo, Monday, 10 July 2023 09:45 (two years ago)
Most disappointing "classic" albums I first heard in 2023:
Aerosmith Honky Tonk Masquerade, Joe ElyYoshimi Battles the Pink Robots, Flaming LipsNext, Sensational Alex Harvey Band Terry Melcher Too Fast for Love, Mötley CrüeSommerabend, NovalisTen Years After
Maybe one good song apiece on each of these, at best.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 03:41 (two years ago)
maybe I should be paying about dsotm here?
― koogs, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 21:00 (two years ago)
...posting about...
I love DSOTM but don't care for 'Wish You Were Here'.
― you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Thursday, 18 January 2024 19:48 (two years ago)
I just recently found a CD of Animals on the curb and listened to that for the first time, and think I prefer it to Wish, maybe even Dark Side. But I guess that's for the other thread.
― henry s, Thursday, 18 January 2024 20:37 (two years ago)
Speaking of long crawls: daaamn that guitar in "Europe is Our Playground"
(I gotta get home and blast it)
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 January 2024 20:40 (two years ago)
wrong thread alfred
― ivy., Thursday, 18 January 2024 20:41 (two years ago)
oddly wish is the only one that does it for me
― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 18 January 2024 20:55 (two years ago)
wish you weren't here, last classic album that i got and wasn't knocked out by!!!
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:04 (two years ago)
The concept-era Pink Floyd records are all very different in terms of pacing and structure, and if that doesn't appeal to the listener they can feel torpid. I got bored of Dark Side for that reason, but Wish You Were Here and Animals especially build in very satisfying ways for me.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 19 January 2024 22:00 (two years ago)
"Animals" is my pick for this thread tbh
― Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Friday, 19 January 2024 22:04 (two years ago)