Avril Lavigne: C/D?

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I downloaded the "Complicated" video and liked it, so I went and grabbed some more of her stuff -- and it's good! (Except for that Glenn Ballard-meets-Andrew W.K. production that seems fitted for the P.A. music at your local mall's T.J. Maxx.) Punchy pop vocals that are just dandy if you don't mind thick Canadian accents; cute-teenagerish lyrics that are a helluvalot more economical and less neurotic than those of Miz Barthburger (who's no longer a teen, but may as well be) or Miz Kalvin Klein Kiddie Porn (ditto); melodies that, well, people like Diane Warren and Desmond Child are paid MILLIONS to churn out, and isn't it hilarious that some teenage dipshit French-Canadian nobody is saving her label major bux by writing her Big Hit Song herself? Plus, she plays guitar, and that's nice to see... maybe she'll learn how to produce so she can shitcan the vacuous hack who worked her boards for this record.

― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

total fakee middle of ontario/quebec small town crap. now zany punkyness isn't even punk anymore.

― ddd, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Who said anything about punk?

― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*She* does, almost incessantly.

Every indication I've had from people who've 'interviewed' her (or rather, tried to) is that she's not exactly the dynamic, independent, free-thinking revolutionary that her bio would have you believe.

― Mark, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

.. which is to suggest that she's really quite the opposite. A dimwitted, painfully ordinary teen whose tenuous grasp of 'punk' is just 90s enough to know that it's probably a good thing to be.

― Mark, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't read her bio. I hardly even know who she is, except for the few songs I've heard and one Village Voice review that wasn't completely celebratory. She just seems like a typical suburban chick who probably gets stoned with her icky skater boyfriend. Which is why I'm surprised that I like her music -- I grew up HATING people like that.

― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, if she were really trying to be punk, don't you think she'd want her music to sound, like, A LITTLE BIT punk? Cuz it doesn't... not at all. It sounds like Canadian Top 40 music.

― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In fact, the more I think about the enormous chasm that seems to exist between Avril Lavigne, Media Construction (viz 'wild child,' 'punky', 'free spirit', 'independent thinker' and every other Woodstock buzz phrase you can think of without trying *too* hard) and Avril Lavigne, Actual Person (in every interview I've read, she seems to be completely unable to string together a meaningful sentence, much less do a reasonable job propping up the label's construct of her, image-wise), the more I'm likely to completely deride her as a totally poseable, Glen Ballard-channelling, right-place/right-time, no-talent hack.

― Mark, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can you link me to one of these interviews?

― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But isn't that the point? That she doesn't seem to have any idea what punk actually is (hell, *I* barely do anymore) and yet she still has no problems presenting her fluffy, Alanis-lite popisms off as the real deal? Moreover, I'm not entirely sure what "her music" means. As far as I'm aware (and I could be wrong on this), there are no songwriting credits listed on the inset.

Meh. Don't mean to seem bitter, but there's only so much one can be forced to swallow, before, well, one spits.

― Mark, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

blimey who is Miz Kalvin Klein Kiddie Porn? you wacky modern teens with yr hipping and yr hopping

― mark s, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's one a colleague at work did:

HMV.com

Here's a similar one from another Canadian music portal:

Canoe.ca

― Mark, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Let's try that first one again.

― Mark, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

OK, you're right, she doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the lamp, and her fake aloofness is pretty laughable. Time will tell, I guess.

― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kalvin Klein Kiddie Porn = Fiona Apple (as seen in the "Criminal" video).

― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Avril reminds me of how they have cartoons (both series and movies) with some sort of fantastic adventure, like space travel or being a rockstar or mountain trekking or whatever but there's that one character who is total CRAP but put there so that the kids can identify with someone? That's who she is.

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Thick Canadian accents"? "Canadian Top 40 music"? Optical (and/or aural) illusions. Trust me.

― s woods, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If you want to catch all the ramblings of this dimwit check out fametracker.com and their forum page on her. They have already accumulated articles and pictures that will tell about the horror of Avril. Actually you could also just check out the video for "Complicated."

[url=http://www.fametracker.com/ijsbb/forum.cgi?a=list&f=1&d=45&t=200797&n=195,1#n] Site[/url]

― C., Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I'm going to start liking this song. If I try hard enough I can do it. (im serious)

― Keiko, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That Fametracker link was total vindication. I had no idea that *so* many people had a hate on for her...

― Mark, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just saw the vid for this. She's certainly cute in a Jennifer Love Hewittt sorta way, if that's your bag, but any "Punkness" about her is strictly sartorial, and even that is painfully dated (c'mon, folks, it's 2002....when my seven-year old nephew can walk around the house with blue hair, it's no longer shocking or subversive!) Musically speaking, "Complicated" isn't any more offensive than, say, anything by equally faux-Punk Pink (who seems to try much harder to imply those roots than little moppett Avril does, which immediately makes Avril more credible). Avirl ultimately sorta reminds me of a female version of that New Radicals crap from a few years back.....which wasn't particularly "Punk" either, despite all visual evidence to the contrary (kids with DK's shirts and piercings running around a mall in the video, sticking it to 'the man.')

Who is "Miz Barthburger"?

― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoops, I didn't link the Fametracker page right. Well, you get the idea.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that "Complicated" and "Don't Let Me Get Me" have too similiar melodies. I get confused whenever one first comes on the radio. Blame L.A. Reid.

― C-, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think her britches are too big.

― Jeff, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

im guessing mz barthbuger is alanis morrisete. barthbuger being a refrence to a 'you cant do that on television' character.

― chaki, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I see she has a song called "Sk8er Boi". Come now, surely she must r0x0r? (BTW I haf never heard her)

― Norman Phay, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The New Radicals wre great pop, howerver!

― Sterling Clover, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love that New Radicals song. And who was it? Was it Patti Smith that raved about that song once in an interview? Of course it was probably in her "People Have the Power" days. Oh wait...those days aren't over.

I want to smack that burrito out of Avril's mouth.

― C-, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what's up with the way she pronounces "when you strike a POSE"..."put on all your preppy CLOTHES"

― geeg, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, if she were really trying to be punk, don't you think she'd want her music to sound, like, A LITTLE BIT punk? Cuz it doesn't... not at all.

Please see for reference to this trick of image the articles about Pink that have run in recent months, including the one which was illustrated by her posed in a Plasmatics album cover setting; the duct tape on her nipples in the "Just Like A Pill" video -- you know, the one where the guitar's mixed all the way down?; and the absolute Meredith Brooksness of her album save that one Peaches-ish track.

― maura, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That song is nice. And the bass is mixed up instead, and then the guitar comes on in these pretty layers.

Anyway, ditching an R&B career to kickstart a new "punk" trend is pretty punk if you ask me.

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, I was just going to post on that other thread that Avril seems like a teenage Meredith Brooks! Except I've never heard any of the songs or seen the video. It's something about the way she poses in the publicity shots, I guess.

― Arthur, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Maura, have you seen this?

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah! I did when you first posted it, but how can you expect me to remember something from so long ago? Isn't that rockist? (ha ha ha)

Anyway you're right about the post-teenpop casting about for image—see also the adjectives on the releases accompanying the Vanessa Carlton and Michelle Branch records and the heralding of J. Timberlake as the next Michael Jackson (and probably the gossip column items linking him to Janet as well). The wholesale buying into it by so-called critics is what rankles me, I guess.

And I still think that "Just Like A Pill" sounds crap; on the radio the mixing up of the bass makes the song sound like it's just her and drums made of crinkly paper, no matter how much graphic equalizer fiddling you do.

― maura, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha maura no matter how hard you want it soundgarden and liz phair will never be on the radio again

― Josh, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can't wait for Josh to start crying in 2008 wondering where his current heroes are, trampled under the weight of history. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha ned I am working around this by pre-selecting heroes with built-in obsolesence or ones that have already been swept away haha

― Josh, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

or that never had the chance!

― Josh, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have just found out that I am getting a free copy of Ms Lavigne's album, courtesy of a particularly sadistic editor of mine! Full report to follow.

ps where did i ever say i wanted liz phair on the radio? i just don't want drums that sound like their sound came from a present's being unwrapped.

― maura, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A most worthy approach, Mr. Kortbein. :-)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

is joke! laughing, etc

― Josh, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...

"I love that New Radicals song. And who was it? Was it Patti Smith that raved about that song once in an interview? Of course it was probably in her "People Have the Power" days. Oh wait...those days aren't over."

Joni Mitchell gave it props recently! I think Michelle Branch's "Game of Love" is the positive female counterpart to this song. They sound so similar, chordwise & vocally.

― Fivvy, Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...

Utter utter classic beyond disbelief. The footery harmonics below the main riff of "Sk8ter Boi", the intricately timed and overlapping intro to "I'm With You", the k-chk k-chk guitars in "Losing Grip", such a pretty pretty voice in places and the lonelinest peopled universe in the world trying to convince itself that there's more to love than life but falling and stumbling and hurtling and hurting itself into the revelation that, yes, that is true but there's not enough without it.

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 9 August 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"...loneliest..." & "...more to life than love..."

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 9 August 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked the typo better: "More to love than life".

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus, I've never understood the Avril hate on ILM.

I mean, what's to hate?

Her version of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" doesn't suck anywhere near as much as I though it would. And the proceeds go to War Child.

Some people just hate teenagers in a kind of irrational orgy of (their own) post-adolescent self-loathing, I guess.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I passed a couple of exact Avril clones in the mall tonight. the hair, the tie, the makeup, the expression - everything. it really creeped me out for some reason.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

this may be my favorite post ever.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I passed a couple of exact Avril clones in the mall tonight. the hair, the tie, the makeup, the expression - everything. it really creeped me out for some reason.

I saw Avril recently -- probably on MuchMusic -- and she said almost the same thing.

Then she said she's ditching the tie.

Priceless.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Some people just hate teenagers in a kind of irrational orgy of (their own) post-adolescent self-loathing, I guess.

As one, I think I can say sans the post-adolescent self-loathing (but with adolescent self-loathing to spare!) that a good majority of people hate teenagers, because they're dumb.

Especially in the Avril case, with Complicated and Sk8r Boi's incessent whining that preppies just don't get them, and they're tired of being outcasts. Nevermind the borderline racist (yes, I said it) mentality of putting people into such groups -- I'll let it slide, that's what teens do -- but c'mon, skaters aren't the outcasts? It's nerds.

That's why DEVO will always be the ultimate punks.

I think I was trying to make a point, but lost it when DEVO sprung to my mind. Damn. Well, I'll go listen to them now. Right.

― David Allen, Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

You see, I'm firmly of the belief that teenagers are absolutely not dumb.

Then again, maybe "mainstream" teenagers are, after all, as dumb as their adult counterparts.

But seriously, I've worked with damaged and hurt (street, abused, neglected) teens for a long time, and they never cease to surprise me (perhaps because I'm dumb?) with their intelligence and insights.

I have this theory that those of us who had crappy transitions into adulthood, if we haven't confronted and in some way "dealt" with them, we tend to view childhood -- and especially adolescence -- as something bad.

I've seen perfectly "nice" adults fuck up their kids royally, and usually over something trivial -- like "if you won't follow the rules of my house, get out!" People: do you ever stop and think what happens to kids out there when no-one but their equally lost friends are looking out for them?

Sorry. Something I got a lot of thoughts and surprising emotion about. I'm not necessarily defending Avril, per se, but just that sense that it's the feeling of being outcast that matters to many, whether it's objectively true or not.

Now back to our scheduled programming...

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

HEY (HEY) YOU (YOU) I DON'T LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND
HEY (HEY) YOU (YOU) I THINK YOU NEED A NEW ONE

i think that's the only part of her new obnoxious hyper-pawrp single i like but it's sumpin'

― blueski, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm loving this.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

AND HELL YEAH I'M THE MOTHERFUCKING PRINCESS

― lex pretend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

This reminds me how much I'm looking forward to Courtney Love's new album.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

"she's like, so, whatever"

loving this song.

― smash your phonograph in half, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I can't stop listening to it.

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

I was very emotional in 2003. Wow.

― Lostandfound, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

I wish the whole song were the chorus.

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ accurate

― A B C, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

Her new look is kinda awkward though

― A B C, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

she looks like veronica mars now

― s1ocki, Friday, 2 March 2007 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

That's a good thing.

― baaderonixx, Friday, 2 March 2007 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Why did I guess that The Lex would like this?

― kv_nol, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

because it's a really good song?

― lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

If you say so.

― kv_nol, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Avril Lavigne are among the better manufactured mainstream teenybopper acts from recent years. A bit like Bangles/Tranvision Vamp/Go-Go's. Which isn't a bad thing at all.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Generally, the more retro, the better.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

[i]Plus, I've never understood the Avril hate on ILM./[i]

1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I like your notion that Avril is a plural entity. It opens up a world of possibility

― DJ Mencap, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Geir you sound quite bitter sometimes.

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

"Girlfriend" pretty much rules.

― jaymc, Friday, 2 March 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

I was totally thinking Transvision Vamp when I heard this song too!!

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

This song is dreadful and the girl needs to sack a) her producer b) her songwriter c) her stylist.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

wanna segue this into ashlee's 'boyfriend' for a bratty high school double whammy

― lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

She may sack her stylist,

However, acts such as Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, Brandy and Missy Elliott are the ones who need to sack their producers and songwriters and replace them with Avril Lavigne's. Would improve their music considerably.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Don't you ever get tired of spouting the bullshit you do? It must be exhausting.

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

[i]1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way [i/]

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― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/images/300/headache_man2.jpg

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'M SO HAPPY.

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

THIS MADE MY DAY EXPONENTIALLY BETTER

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Have you heard the Cantonese and Japanese versions?

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

LOL

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

OMG SHE IS SHAKING HER TITS IN TEH VIDEO

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, she has like 20 different versions of the song - Cantonese, Japanese, Protuguese, French...

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

WAHT

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yes it is amazing. But they've been on to it for fucking ever in the teenpop rolling thread. Still the best thread on ilm.

― I know, right?, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Bleah.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

you ARE damn precious Avril...

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

hate the bouncy pop-punk bass, but other than that, nice

― milo z, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. The new Avril Lavigne single is dripping with attitude. In fact, it's the best song I've heard this year.
It's incredible - like she's finally ditched all the precious: I'm a little punk rocker - in favor of a much more teenpop approach to relationships. So where Sk8tr Boi was about how her relationships weren't conventional (they had emancipated themselves from the highschool set and were touring professionally) this is set in the standard context of boyfriend -girlfriends. But in doing so, it's the most punk song I've ever heard her sing. It reminds me of Blondie in terms of investing the mundane with attitude.

"Hey, hey, you, you, I don't like your girlfriend. Hey, hey, you, you, I think you need a new one," is far more aggressive. In contrast to Sk8r, where she steals the boy away from his old girlfriend is completely overlooking in favor of the larger tension (he's great, and you missed your chance), here she's actively stealing him. And the opening: Hey, hey, you, you, is almost like a faster: "Ai, Oh, Let's go," without the beat between the noise ("Hey" "Oh") and the narrative ("You, you" "Let's go"). So she's editing out the Ramone's pause in favor of thrusting herself forward. There's huge amounts of pose in here - down to the hand-clapping, which almost sounds as though she applauding herself as she sings. Or maybe even the Stones, singing: "Hey, hey, you, you get off of my cloud," which is probably the more obvious touchstone. Which is perfect! Because she's aggressively pulling you in like the Stone's song chases you away. It's the same attitude, but used to different means.

"Ok fine I want you mine you're so delicious. I think about you all the time you're so addictive. Don't you know what I can do to make you feel alright? (Alright, alright, alright)" Combining the speedy breathlessness of the first two statements, which the echoing 'alright' of the third, it's as though Avril is coming overwhelming the target (and us) by pounding us over and over with the Possibility of Her. By the time it gets to "alright, alright, alright," it sounds like we're responding to the song ourself (also through Avril's voice) agreeing to her. She's puppeting both the predator and the prey - so that she never has to fail.

And then the song launches into the greatest thing I've heard - certainly this year and possibly last as well. "Don't pretend I think you know I'm damn precious / And hell yeah, I'm the motherfucking princess / I can tell you like me too and you know I'm right. (alright, alright, alright)" She simultaneously needs this guy, and doesn't need him at all. She's fine without him - sneering: "You know I'm damn precious." - but she's only saying it because it'll let her get him. And when she sings "I'm the motherfucking princess," she completely slays the entire Paris Hilton album. Just the implicit contradiction of using the word "motherfucking" while describing herself as a "princess" is completely honest, jarring, confusing, and refreshing. It means that a "princess" can use the word "motherfucking." It also means she has a sense of humor about being a "princess." It also means that she's a "princess" /because/ she uses words like "motherfucking," which makes her "precious" which she also understands.

This is thus far my favorite song of 2007. And I predict it'll be in the top 5 if not at the top 1 by the end of the year. I can't imagine anything displacing it. It's much better than the Veronica's 4eva - which was near the top of my list last year.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy) on Monday, February 5, 2007 11:31 PM (3 weeks ago)

― I know, right?, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

spot on

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

she is so fucking CUTE

― chaki, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

I find her whole persona in that song completely repulsive. She's like some sort of nightmare version of a Leo female.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

YOU TAKE THHAT BACK

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure how I feel about her britches anymore, but I sure listened to Sk8erBoi a lot while playing Elite Beat Agents.

― Jeff, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like this song and her new image are both so incredibly cynical, but the song is AMAZING so it doesn't matter.

― The Brainwasher, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Check out the Mandarin version!

― pinder, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

the Veronica Mars resemblance in parts of the video is eerie.

― milo z, Saturday, 3 March 2007 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

I thought this thread had been way longer. (There was a good long one where someone said that "take off all your preppy clothes" sounds like something from Silver Spoons and Kim said no, craptown Ontario is really like that. What thread was that?)

I'm not sure what I think of this song. My first impression was close to RS' but it might change/be changing.

― Sundar, Saturday, 3 March 2007 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

I've only heard this song once. That entire time, I kept veering between "omg kill me" and "WOW THIS IS AMAZINGLY CONSTRUCTED WOW".

― HI DERE, Saturday, 3 March 2007 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

why did no one call this out for being "hey mickey"?

― tissp, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

('girlfriend', that is)

― tissp, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

Because it sounds more like the Rubinoos?

― jaymc, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

yikes.

it still sounds like hey mickey to me though.

Lavigne's Vancouver-based manager, Terry McBride, CEO of Nettwerk Music Group, claims the suit "has no basis. There's nothing similar (between the two songs)," he says. "Our musicologist says there is no similarities of melody, choral progression or meter."

haha "musicologist"

― tissp, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

some nice constructive comments on this fascinating bit of news here

http://www.hollyscoop.com/avril-lavigne/avril-lavigne-turns-the-tables_12783.aspx

― t(o_o)t (ENBB), Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:52 (sixteen years ago)

why are you reading 2 year old internet comments on a 3 year old story about avril lavigne tbh

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:54 (sixteen years ago)

Good question, my friend.
(was a link to it somewhere)

― t(o_o)t (ENBB), Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:59 (sixteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

Counting the days until the cast of Glee covers "What the Hell".

― James Mitchell, Monday, 3 January 2011 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

why did no one call this out for being "hey mickey"?

― tissp, Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:25 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
(~~'girlfriend'~~ WHAT THE HELL, that is)

― tissp, Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:25 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

fixed.

Great song though! Better than "Born This Way", better than "Party crasher, panty snatcher," better than "Hold It Against Me," SURE AS FUCK a hell of a lot better than "Firework." Why is ILM not loving it?? You fools!!

― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:45 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

any chance of "what the hell" hitting the ILM year-end list? that tune is huge.

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 23 July 2011 00:48 (fourteen years ago)

definitely not, but it will probably be on my ballot

― drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, 23 July 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)

:( It's the new "Since U Been Gone"

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 23 July 2011 01:31 (fourteen years ago)

lord what the hell rules

― markers, Saturday, 23 July 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)

i jam 'what the hell' & 'push' a lot tbqh

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:14 (fourteen years ago)

i don't really see the comparison to "since u been gone"

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)

it's not even the new "girlfriend"

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)

i like the follow-up "Smile" a lot too...kind of a shame that Avril's Max Martin singles are as good as almost anyone else's these days but she's totally getting lost in the crowd

― drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)

smile's the best

― markers, Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)

i don't really see the comparison to "since u been gone"

― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:15 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

the HUGE chorus

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:20 (fourteen years ago)

not any more HUGE than like 17 other Max Martin songs tbh

― drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

I mean, female pop rock wise.

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 24 July 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weeluzD_hxk

― markers, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:41 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFSaNmZyPQo

― markers, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:41 (thirteen years ago)

what's a bimbox

― polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:42 (thirteen years ago)

Can artists be banned from mentioning Radiohead in their songs?

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:48 (thirteen years ago)

wow i threw my headphones out of my ears at that first lyric

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

maybe she meant the talking heads song

― how's life, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:50 (thirteen years ago)

Who the heck sings Radiohead at the top of their lungs?

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:00 (thirteen years ago)

song is p good

― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:01 (thirteen years ago)

it's pretty catchy

― polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:09 (thirteen years ago)

Here's To Never Ever Ever Growing Up Together

― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:15 (thirteen years ago)

it just makes me wanna turn it off and listen to "complicated"

― teddy dominatrix (dyl), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:16 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/Gg2ieRP.jpg

― markers, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:29 (thirteen years ago)

four months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/uIlv5uW.jpg

― markers, Saturday, 10 August 2013 16:06 (twelve years ago)

i love "rock n roll"

― uberweiss, Saturday, 10 August 2013 16:50 (twelve years ago)

that cover is great

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:03 (twelve years ago)

"Rock and Roll" is pretty great. It's not game-changing, but I think it stands among her better entries.

― how's life, Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:22 (twelve years ago)

Sk8er Boi and Complicated are guilty pleasures of mine and I don't care who knows it

― paolo, Sunday, 11 August 2013 17:23 (twelve years ago)

amy poehler's lurching, oddly simian impression of avril makes me crack up forever.

― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 11 August 2013 17:35 (twelve years ago)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmdf9vBEmh1qcyuhro1_500.gif

― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 11 August 2013 17:48 (twelve years ago)

this video haaaaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuNTO31FlY8

― monotony, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 11:51 (twelve years ago)

That video needs a poll thread. Tank Girl? Billy Zane? The math genius girl from The Wonder Years? November Rain? Shark vs. Bear? Copping another Taylor Swift single?

― Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 12:30 (twelve years ago)

lol @ "oh, my new sony phone is ringing!"

― markers, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:25 (twelve years ago)

i am the motherfucking princess

― markers, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:28 (twelve years ago)

you are.

― how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:36 (twelve years ago)

wow

― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:53 (twelve years ago)

MY. NAME. IS. AVRILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL - AVRIL LAVIGNE!!

― Kissin' Cloacas (Viceroy), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:23 (twelve years ago)

Love the November Rain nod

― Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:24 (twelve years ago)

Switchblade lobster ftw, in my opinion.

http://www.aux.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/avril-lobster.png

― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:39 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

this album is going to rule

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaKy1JhzqeI

― johnny crunch, Sunday, 8 September 2013 17:03 (twelve years ago)

that's really good, but it's one of the only songs on the album w/o a Kroeger writing credit and the new single is pretty bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuNTO31FlY8

― suggest ban & threadban method man & redman (some dude), Sunday, 8 September 2013 17:29 (twelve years ago)

i wanted to like "rock n roll" b/c i thought the sony phone bit was funny in the video but alas :\

― dyl, Sunday, 8 September 2013 17:30 (twelve years ago)

oh that was already posted itt n/m (xp)

― suggest ban & threadban method man & redman (some dude), Sunday, 8 September 2013 17:32 (twelve years ago)

"rock n roll" is pop cocaine! won't hear a bad word against it. the other two tracks are blaaaaaaaaaaand

― uberweiss, Sunday, 8 September 2013 17:45 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

other than the dubstep hello kitty song theres a lot to like here, i even have good initial feelings abt the kroeger duet ballad and (to a lesser extent) the manson song

― johnny crunch, Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:06 (twelve years ago)

and overall this is miles better than the new katy perry

― johnny crunch, Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:08 (twelve years ago)

Dubstep hello kitty song?

*listens*

Oh dear.

― MarkoP, Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:31 (twelve years ago)

there's a new avril lavigne??

― Mordy , Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:32 (twelve years ago)