henry rollins vs. hipsters

its a generational battle for the soul of the scene where old-school didactic preachy knowitallism battles 17 degrees of post-ironic nihilism and self-absorption

Henry Rollins hanging out with Shirin Neshat = 10,000 points to Henry.

well that's the point he's making too

I do find it rich that someone is pulling the "We're just trying to hang out and a camera crew showed up" in the East Village.

"Get in the Van, that's the title of a very famous book I wrote, the audio book won a Grammy..."

― No Means Yes. Yes Means Anal. (unperson), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 12:06 PM

r u a date rapist or what

thanks for making sure this thread never makes it onto 77

"and it's very well known."

(that's a xp to circa1916, continuing henry's crucial-to-the-plot explication of his resume.)

winner of the reality show -- this is a reality show, right? -- is shirin neshat for saying, "i didn't understand why she said 'get in the van.'"

No Means Yes. Yes Means Anal. (unperson)

I strongly recommend changing this display name immediately.

are you sure you're not going to yellowcard am0n for his "meta-snark" instead?

and you need to shut the fuck up

^more meta-snark... MODS! MODS!

goodbye

ffs guys

jar jar bank$ (Whiney G. Weingarten) has been temporarily banned. see you in 27 days, dumbass

http://erichuber.mightycreativestuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/28-days-later.jpg

tbh, this is only going to feed his righteous indignation over the whole thing

unless im missing something, i dont really see how whiney said anything itt that merits a 28-day temp ban

Its not this thread, its a culmination of a long running issue.

alright

bit harsh imo

Harsh or no, I think he was given quite a few warnings about dropping it and ignored them.

the 28 days would be a result of the number of days in temp bans increasing every time you get one + the number of times whiney has been temped - just fyi

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

this is kind of a side thing, but fwiw a lot of people have a problem with your display name and would really prefer if you changed it

tbh, this is only going to feed his righteous indignation over the whole thing

― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:36 (14 minutes ago)

^^^^

seriously dude, I'm only changing mine when you change yours

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

You did miss something.

You should still change your display name, since even knowing the context behind it still leaves it bordering on being a gross rape joke.

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

Just change your fucking username. Christ.

omg totally know that girl in "Sexual Aids" - her name is Meredith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEszTzdUMcY

So I guess that's Cake Shop in NYC, right?

Henry comes off like a colossal dick in this clip

um but I guess this thread is about something else now? lol

you guys and your silly bickering

Rollins comes off like a complete idiot full of the most ridiculous assumptions in this video. Those kids seem to like his music.

yeah I don't really understand why he immediately goes after them for being egotistical trust funder elitists and whatnot? because they recognized him and yelled "Get in the van" at him? wtf

The idea of ALL HIPSTERS ARE *THIS*, AND *THIS* IS DESPICABLE RAARHRRAHRAR is soooo fucking played. Because apparently you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension or something?

But at this point even saying ^^^^ that is soooo fucking played. Why is this shit even still going on?

i can see how "OMG HENRY ROLLINS LOL" would be irritating, but yeah, Rollins is a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead here. seem like he went into the place looking for a confrontation.

you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension

that sounds about right

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets, so the idea that he might be a little more guarded, and might perceive slights more quickly, than your average person isn't totally surprising to me.

he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygDMHnt-Lg

Das Sweatshirt vermisse ich.

not to mention crucified by dolph lundgren

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets

i don't know if i'd classify a guy who does spoken word, is a talking head on just about everything, had his own interview show, etc. as a genuinely socially awkward nerd. also re: Blak Flag, it's not like he was being picked on or anything. BF and Rollins had a certain reputation and he played to it.

xpsts

Those elitist assholes shouldn't bring up his grammy winning audiobook thankyouverymuch.

Really the only reasonable person here is the lady hanging with Henry. The Cakeshop women were off camera, so their claim of just wanting to hang out seems a little bogus. They acted out and pretty much asked for H. to confront them. Fairly easy to imagine that they knew he may be an easy mark.

As far as them being into his music and thus on his side (and undeserved of the "Rollins treatment"), it's hard to imagine many people saying on camera "Black Flag sucked" or some such thing. A general bad showing all around.

― new non-rapey display name (unperson), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:32 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this really any better? there must be a username you can think of that just doesn't reference rape at all.

smh

why do you guys even care

lex otm

well, i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one rape survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx

Those hipsters were probably just in the shop anyway, they see Rollins and they wanna talk to him. It's not like they were being explicitly elitist as Rollins had warned. They didn't 'act out', they didn't seem to have bad intentions and when Rollins comes over to greet them he is the one who looks like 'a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead'.

i can't believe anyone would try to defend Rollins' behavior in that video. felt really bad for the hipsters and for Shirin Neshat.

Not defending Henry, just saying that there is blame to go around. There are ways to decide to talk to someone that do not involve yelling things from off camera is all I'm saying. Of course Rollins was a pud about it, totally. What I am suggesting is that, just maybe, they knew he would be.

I would be very disappointed if Rollins behaved like Neil Gaiman in public.

Of all the offensive display names I've seen over the years, I'm kinda surprised this is the one to ruffle so many feathers. Oh yeah, wait a minute, the offender isn't part of the 77 clique. That explains it all. I mean, come on, if Whiney or, say, deej, used that display name as a "joke" it wouldn't have been such an issue.

Not to say I condone "rape joke" display names, mind, but this is such a weird one for people like Whiney to draw a fine line around.

he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs

― omar little, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 1:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

That scene always bugged me! Pacino's so shrimpy, I didn't buy it for a second.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/1/27/1233078219288/Neil-Gaiman-001.jpg

yeah, seems like he has the self-awareness to know he is being a dick and know that he is going to be a dick, but not the self-control to stop himself. the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm. (xpost)

rollins' imdb bio says he's 5' 9 1/2" but i think they're being generous by a couple inches.

weird conflation of rollins and whiney behavior itt

lol

I thought Rollins was being funny like dumb stereotypes about music isn't he some jazz wanker or something? How can you take him seriously he is clearly being sarcastic or have you never heard his spoken word. Not like some band called Sexual Aids is some high minded art band....

where do you guys rate doucheyness of rollins versus jose canseco (another dude who, if he had practiced the neil gaiman school of social graces, would not have made the excellent "I trolled jose canseco" thread possible)?

the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm.

The way he was parading her around, like she was an anti-hipster human shield or something... christ.

just the sanctimony of "this is Shirin Neshat, you should know who she is" is like...I mean...I am a sanctimonious fuckin guy, so if I notice your sanctimony, you're doing something wrong

Rollins came off more as insecure rather than douchey
That was a panic move

the 77 clique!!!!!!!!!!

i miss whiney already

omg totally know that girl in "Sexual Aids" - her name is Meredith

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 4:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

I know that lady too! But she's a punk and yer a hippie!

Rollins came off more as insecure rather than douchey
That was a panic move

This was my read, too.

also this is an unrelated story, but i met keith morris last week and repressed the urge to tell him that i loved black flag, that they were my favorite psych band. cuz that would make me a jerk.

seriously what else is there to talk about with Keith Morris besides how rad black flag was

how he takes a shit in public restrooms without his dreads touching the floor?

dread maintenance techniques, what it's like to work with legendary skin-beater (industry term for drums) MARIO RUBALCABA, among other things

fyi he was a really sweet nice guy

But at this point even saying ^^^^ that is soooo fucking played. Why is this shit even still going on?

yeah otm...this vid is like a sort of perfect encapsulation of hipster hatred, rollins ensuring that he feels sneered at from minute one. i don't get how he says "when that girl started mouthing off", like she seemed sort of nice, and actually how fucking awkward and weird was his introduction for the iranian girl, who prob would have liked to just chat to some hipsters?

plus you know, so what even if she was a trustafarian, rollins is hardly living in central park.

and the sort of "i'm kind of a big deal" bit at the end...god, what a fool.

Is he pals with Allison Wolfe (had to check spelling) or something? He was pointing out one of her bands at the beginning.

seriously what else is there to talk about with Keith Morris besides how rad black flag was

― the Whiney G. Whinegarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 3:26 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Probably a lot, considering he was in Black Flag for about 15 minutes almost 35 years ago.

"'sup Keith! Hey wow the only reason I know you is from this thing you did for 15 minutes 35 years ago. So, um, whatcha been up to for the last 35 years anyway?"

seriously what else is there to talk about with Keith Morris besides how rad black flag was

His fantastic new band OFF!, how underrated the Circle Jerks' VI album was...lots of stuff.

Keith Morris is a (former?) ilxor's accountant!

Meredith runs in (former?) ilxor-affiliated band Excepter circles iirc.

Just connecting the dots here.

*palm*

I guess you guys follow Keith's activities a lot more closely than I do

*high five*

seriously though how does he keep his dreads from getting bathroom grime on them when he's taking a shit??

or does he not care??

is sexyDancer the dude from Excepter?

I know that lady too! But she's a punk and yer a hippie!

hippie?

i'm just teasin'

"group sex" by the circle jerks is at least as good as a lot of black flag stuff IMO

okay maybe she doesn't run in excepter circles so much as she was working at the venue where the show took place (Rockstar or Monkeytown).

not BRAGGIN 2010 but I met Keith M last month and he was just a swell dude, really pleasant to hang with

Probably a lot, considering he was in Black Flag for about 15 minutes almost 35 years ago.

also everyone that was in black flag is important. they are an important band, the last great american adventurers.

i don't even listen to black flag that much but they are really important to me, just the way they existed in the world

for realz^

am i missing something re: henry thinking shouting "get in the van"="mouthing off"? or is it just him being paranoid and primed for a confrontation?

probably equivalent of shouting "I drink your milkshake" to daniel day lewis. the gentlemanly thing to do is grin sheepishly and tip your hat, then go about your business, right? but wouldn't you rather have him suddenly walk up to you bug-eyed, shouting, "Drrraaaaaainaaage!" that's a story to take to the grave.

Henry would have been more irked if they hadn't recognized him.

So I guess that's Cake Shop in NYC, right?

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:01 (Yesterday)

Yeah I recognized it too and was going to ask the same, so I assume that's what it is. I think the record section since closed though.

I feel like there was something edited out or Rollins is just a little paranoid. Also weird that he was so clearly trying to avoid the word "hipster" even before the confrontation.

rollins comes off as a sexist creep several different times in that clip--hard to do, tbh.

like, that many different ways in 5 minutes

I think I sort of understand what mentality he was trying to complain about but Whiney summed it up in the second post like 10x better than Rollins did, plus his whole preemptive strike freakout was just insecure and weird.

I mean I think there are a lot of young people who would have a slightly condescending take on any music of the past that seems directly, sincerely confrontational and/or political -- enjoying it on some level while being above it and above everything else. But I feel like Rollins doesn't even fully get how that operates and just has this "WHY YOU MAKIN FUN OF ME!" attitude -- pretty undignified and immature for a man his age.

re: sexism, I dunno, he was about as creepy in the nardwuar interview as well. are you sure it's not just general pomposity?

wow, Ms Neshat is 53 yrs old???

u mad u old [/story]

Of all the offensive display names I've seen over the years, I'm kinda surprised this is the one to ruffle so many feathers. Oh yeah, wait a minute, the offender isn't part of the 77 clique. That explains it all. I mean, come on, if Whiney or, say, deej, used that display name as a "joke" it wouldn't have been such an issue.

lol not at all, if any of the "77 clique" had used it i prob would've gone in on them even sooner - obv that exists and i shun it tbh

henry rollins is a big cutie and sweetheart in this youtube video

& yeah, the original whiney post otm

I know how he comes off here, but I think in his way he was being self-conscious and trying to make fun of himself, even though he's all up in their faces. He's never, ever been good with adulation, he prefers confrontation...so even though they're being cool to him, he turns it into something he is defending himself from. It comes off as douchey, I can't exactly defend it but I've been a fan for a long time...Hank kind of defines secondhand embarrassment in social situations, imo

Henry Rollins comes off as unnecesarily aggressive and prickish. The hipsters were trying to be cool but never said anything particulary douche-y imho, au contraire they were trying to be nice to him.

I couldn't hear the name of the artists and records he thinks are 'hip'. Any help please?

don't think he's being prickish really. he's overly sensitive and he misreads the situation and acts awkwardly, but totally in the best of intentions. like, he thinks theyre making fun of him for being an old man, but really they just think wanna take advantage of the situation and score some hipster cred

man h.rollin's wite power tats in sons of anarchy are fukken n/j wouldve asked to see that shit irl

samosa otm. Henry needs hugs.

Lol lamp

yeah, HR just seems insecure to me here. probably no super bad intentions, but reading into things that aren't exactly there

I hear if you yell "squeal like a pig" at Ned Beatty he gets really upset.

If you yell Summer of 69 at Ryan Adams he gets super pissed

if u yell 'wheres my fukken child support money' @ john mayer hell give u $500

One time I yelled "What A Wonderful World!" at Louis Armstrong and he was like "You know, you're an ice-cream-eating motherfucker. That's what you are. That kind of shit you can't hide."

"get in the van" is kinda dumb i woulda yelled "you're a liiiiaarrrrrrrrrrrr"

xp HAHAHAHAHHA

Henry should go back to giving commentary on shit like Taco's "Puttin' on the Ritz" on one of those I Love the 80s shows or whatever

ugh, felt so bad for Shirin Neshat there, what a horrible, awkward situation.
man, what a dick

god Henry seems jacked up in that video

what a horribly formed "date"

Lighten up, Henry.

i don't think the trust fund comment was directed at that woman, fwiw

not that the thread needs a cap'n save-a-henry here but yknow.. folks (and esp in the les or brooklyn or cake shop) oughtta (and often do) have a pinch more tact (and uh, cool) enough maybe to not be shouting peoples names or work titles at em in what (video crew notwithstanding) is a mostly chill situation. yellin 'get in the van' and 'omg h rollins' is a straight heckle in this situtaion. a totally playful one, and not much warranting quite the response it gets, but i ain't surprised there was one

one 'response' that is. who cares if he handled it gracefully. dude gets to say something

atm this is the top comment on reddit and I'd say I agree:

I think this is a perfect example of someone expecting something to happen and in effect making it happen. He interpreted what the girl said to fit his expectation then went off on a diatribe that he was expecting to give. It didn't matter what the girl said or what anyone else said, the same thing would have happened because his expectation manufactured it. He has been doing this his entire life, if you watch any of his interviews you see him doing the exact same thing over and over again.

Forgot to link. loads of discussion on the matter over here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/e0mdi/henry_rollins_vs_hipsters/

rollins has always been kinda overly defensive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R2Z-QmRqrg

He interpreted what the girl said to fit his expectation then went off on a diatribe that he was expecting to give. It didn't matter what the girl said or what anyone else said, the same thing would have happened because his expectation manufactured it. He has been doing this his entire life, if you watch any of his interviews you see him doing the exact same thing over and over again.

this, HR carries these confrontations with him

seriously what else is there to talk about with Keith Morris besides how rad black flag was

― the Whiney G. Whinegarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 3:26 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Probably a lot, considering he was in Black Flag for about 15 minutes almost 35 years ago.

― So it seems for peace we can thank the bomb (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:37 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he was their singer for their first couple of years (dating back to panic) and has done countless cool shit since, and is about the nicest and most enthusiastic and interesting guy to talk to about music, including that which is not his.

One time I yelled "What A Wonderful World!" at Louis Armstrong and he was like "You know, you're an ice-cream-eating motherfucker. That's what you are. That kind of shit you can't hide."

― Kinect: The Body Is Good Business™ (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 November 2010 03:20 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Did he do this to the tune of "Unforgettable" ?

(awes tale, obv)

iirc Louis was hanging upside down from a basketball hoop when he said this as well, one to tell the grandkids round the hearth I'd say

He interpreted what the girl said to fit his expectation then went off on a diatribe that he was expecting to give.

OTM. That "Here we go" was such a tell. He brought her to that record store fully intending to tell some hipsters that their lives were worthless and to show them Shirin Neshat as proof of that.

wearin' mesh hat >>> Shirin Neshat

Keith Morris ∞> Henry Rollins.

God I hate watching him intentionally be a dick to that kid under the guise of "fucking with him." guess what Hank, lots of people can't fucking stand being interviewed just like you, but one option is instead of trying to make the interviewer eat that, bite your lower lip & be grateful that you have a job where you're more or less your own boss and maybe try and let other people have fun and not just you. Dick.

I didn't get further than 30 seconds in, I find Rollins' manner unbearably annoying and grating.

holy fuck though everybody check the other videos that guy's uploaded, incredible midwestern bands footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjVa3KTTmyc

What would Steve Albini have done if the girls yelled out "RAPEMAN"?

rhde?

suggest albani

Jesus, that interview with the kid is so, so painful to watch.

All I could think of was the student-television Fugazi interview from Instrument with the shy girl, where Ian and Guy are incredibly patient, gracious, etc. - i.e. the complete opposite of Hank there. What an unbelievable prick.

I think there's some kind of weird sexual tension in that video with the kid, a domination thing going on. The way he is touching the kid is molest-y.

3xc3pt3r knows all these white girls ... copy of "Sunbomber" right in Henry's face at 0:42

I'm just amazed at how much Rollins projects his own punkdom on everyone else. It's sort of self-involved! He's being all self-conscious and self-deprecating about being older -- as if he assumes he must be an issue to younger people, or controversial, or perceived as a "sellout." Whereas for most people who go to Cakeshop he's surely just "that guy that was in that beloved old punk band and was painted red on MTV when I was a child and talks a lot." It takes a weird ego for him to even worry that he's seen as "old and in the way." It'd be like Betty White worrying that young people resent and are gunning for her. (And I don't mean that as an insult about getting older -- it's just, like, a point comes where you're just some fixture in the world and nobody's that worked up about it.)

^you are the secret Excepter person...!!!
(xpost damn you nabisco)

also Rollins has elephant-in-room-sized-issues SHOCKAH

I have someplace, the audiobook version of "Get in the van"

It ends with 5 50 mins of self and everyone else loathing "Someone gives me a book, I throw it into the trash" moanmoanmoan, then he postscripts it with a "things are different thesedays, but hey these kids now are missing out on a lot of fun"

the best part about get in the van is "The Shed" where henry goes to stare into the darkness and cut himself with broken mirrors and eat coffee grounds and write in his journal.

being in "The Shed" is heavy.

actually all of get in the van rules....October 3rd...outside of Phoenix...why do these punks have to fuck with us? Who do they think I am? What do they think I can tell them? Do they think I care about their lives?

Today, I realized I belong only to myself...I can't even talk to Greg anymore...I ride in the back of the truck with the gear and stare at the ceiling....Before the show in Phoenix some skinhead threw a cup of piss on me. He got knifed by a Mexican bouncer. I didn't care. Fuck him.

I don't even know how long I've been out here. I don't even know what to do when we get off tour. I have no one. Only me.

the audiobook version of "Get in the van"

oh fuck the audio book is even BETTER!

it's like if you understand how to enjoy the whole rollinishness of rollins, it's fucking hilarious, silly, inspiring, ridiculous, admirable, contemtpible... everthing i swear

I also want to mention that if I got to hang out with Shirin Neshat I would show her a MUCH NICER TIME than getting in chest-puffing matches at Cakeshop.

I'd also avoid using her as a prop

I've not heard the audiobook of GITV for like 12 years but my favourite bit was how excited he got when describing how Black Flag overfilled their bowls at all you can eat salad bars and got away with it

Hey, I used to do that. I could have been in Black Flag!

(you'd arrange bits of celery around the bowl like an upside-down straw boater, etc)

yeah salad bars! they loved salad bars.

honestly though the book is striking, like honestly i can't imagine dragging yourself through those depths of disgusting conditions, horrible ppl, bitter cold, unbearable heat, senseless violence, etc for that long at a time...just sounds so awful

Blind date w/Jello Biafra vs. blind date w/Henry Rollins. Should be a game show.

the kid holds himself together pretty well considering...tho he is obv a fool.

He's just an inexperienced kid. Rollins looks like a bully.

lol tho i didnt recognise neshat and i was all who is this lady who doesnt know what "hip" means also arte must be a hella weird station also shirin neshat is only okay imo but damaged is awesome. rollins is prolly the bourgeoisie and we should send him to the gulag come the revolution

also u call her ness-hat in my head

is that weird ferret head-turn look that Rollins gives when he hears his master's voice the same "hey youse kids, stop moshing" stare that MacKaye has?

Another big takeaway from that clip for me was a reminder of how short Rollins is, 'cause I met Neshat at one of her gallery openings a few years back and she is tiny.

LOL just watched that video. So Rollins brings a camera crew in there, spends a few minutes pontificating on youth culture, labeling himself as an outsider, schooling the camera crew on 'hip music', etc., and as soon as a kid bursts his self-importance bubble, he jumps into her face and starts with the hipster bashing.

Think we all know who the real hipster is.

he acts as though if henry rollins is in yr store with a camera crew it's somehow not ok to say "oh, weird, it's henry rollins"

Then he immediately puts his arm around this poor girl and goes on and on about how awesome he is for chillin with a muslim exile. While all these hipsters are sitting around drinking he's MAKING A DIFFERENCE!

He's like Bill O'Reilly or something.

i'd feel awesome chilling with exiles, too, to be honest.

omg totally know that girl in "Sexual Aids" - her name is Meredith

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 4:56 PM (6 days ago)

Hey, if she's single...

This is just like a scene from Louie, except that we don't Shirin Neshat tell him at the end that she really just wants to take a cab home alone and not to call her again.

http://dramaticchipmunk.org/chipmunks/846EMEJIc2SV3112893419959x03Rc15.gif

Yeah, that's Rollins alright.

Since he isn't tooting his own horn, I'd like to point out this article about that nabisco wrote about the whole Rollins kerfuffle.

wkiw Tony the Tiger

You know how older Americans get absurdly aggrieved at the idea that they’ve done something racially insensitive — as if this is the most profound and dehumanizing suggestion that can ever be made about a person? A lot of younger urbanites are reaching this point with the phrase “trust fund.”

not sure about this - I mean it might well be true, I don't live in the US, but one of these things is open to interpretation and the other is something you basically either do or don't have. So I feel like it's pretty reasonable for ppl to find it lame and tiresome that it's passed/passing into the lexicon of 'generic insult available to level at total strangers'

i find the entire trust fund thing idiotic.

the still shot on that article is hilarious

But it’s possible that calling out “GET IN THE VAN” at Henry Rollins is more like if you saw Tony the Tiger filming something at your local bar and called out “THEY’RE GRRREAT!”

<3 this

imo a lot of the people flinging the term "trust fund" around would be at a loss to really tell you what a trust fund is or how one works - the point of the term is to accuse somebody of being rich. which I think is why some people who're perceived as rich get pissed -- they're like "I don't actually know what a trust fund is and you're calling me a 'trust fund kid,' fuck, I'll bet you don't actually know what one is, either, you poseur, fuck you" & this applies to Rollins - five bucks says his def. of "trust fund" wouldn't go very far in explaining how the word "trust" works there

nb if I lose that bet I will have to withdraw the five bucks from my trust fund which can take weeks so be ready for that if you take the bet

wait what?

no i get it
it mostly comes down to being told "you're not so special i bet you had HELP to get where you're at you didn't get it by HARD WORK like i did"
which is nonsense, rags to riches stories don't prove anything and many if not most of the world's most important, intelligent, creative, charitable people came from backgrounds wealthy enough to elevate their opportunities to act
but the accusation is 1/2 you are the bourgeois enemy and 1/2 you didn't earn your life it was given to you
would like to see rollins try that nonsense with, to pick two dumbass reference points out of the ether, angelina jolie or willow smith who would likely respond with YEAH motherfucker i'm RICH AS HELL

I am pretty sure that Willow Smith would never say that for fear of getting her mouth washed out with soap

i find the entire trust fund thing idiotic.

^This. Also, trust funders in NYC? Nooooo wayyyy!

willow can afford delicious soap iirc

Ha ha, doesn't every person born in the UK after 2002 have a Trust Fund (or at least until the Tories get (got) their way?) which will make "trust fund" as insult de jour pretty passe.

*packs gucci bags to go get some of that sweet sweet limey money*

When Henry joined Black Flag (according to GITV), he sold his icecream business, sublet his apt, and was off.

he quit his job at baskin & robbins, not quite the same thing?

no no he invented ice cream and sold the patent to baskin robbins

i missed the part where rollins called the kids "over-tattooed", kind of rich from the man that is probably as directly responsible as anyone for indie tattoo "culture"

I think the trust fund resentment is mostly directed toward people who spend a disproportionate amount of their time making bad art and complaining about how "broke" they are while living in huge Williamsburg lofts. It's quite staggering how many of those people populate NYC at present.

do you guys think maybe some of it was staged? first, rollins plugs the record store, then the lady plugs her band, then at the end rollins plugs his book, and in the middle they try to plug the exile but she doesn't really have anything to sell.

Suddenly the person who called Rollins “paranoid” about how he’s perceived is scrambling to assert that she doesn’t have nearly as much money as he does and respects Neshat “a whole lot.” In a few short moves, Rollins has turned things around: Instead of justifying himself to the young people, they’re justifying themselves to him.

TBF, Rollins actually made an assumption (if not an accusation) about the young woman that she was responding to. She wasn't just freaking out because someone shouted her name or yelled "Sexual Aids!" Not quite the same level of paranoia.

I'm with Nunez some def viral astroturfing goin on in the vid.

and right before the election hmm

The (lack of) respect thing is key I think. Explains why merely shouting "Get in the Van" equates to "mouthing off" in his view. You mouth off to authority figures you should be showing respect to. If you're not in awe of him and all he's done for the cause of Coolness, you're mouthing off.

rollins is a terrible actor, but his rollins in that video is note-perfect.

It was Haagen-Dazs!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0izy4ORGu1qah2r9.jpg

Two scoops of trust fund:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0izxuRyle1qah2r9.jpg

Hah, fun fact: that bass player was/is also in Flin Flon, who have a great drummer too! (addendum to nabiscos story ...)

Anyway, Philip prob OTM:

do you guys think maybe some of it was staged? first, rollins plugs the record store, then the lady plugs her band, then at the end rollins plugs his book, and in the middle they try to plug the exile but she doesn't really have anything to sell.

^^^i dont buy that. if it was going to be so elaborately staged how come theres nothing on the net about the girls band?

Isn't this clip like 2 years old also?

that bass player was/is also in Flin Flon, who have a great drummer too!

Ha, I had a Flin Flon mention in the first draft, but had to cut it! It's a lot easier to hear interesting bass playing in Flin Flon than in Bratmobile.

Or I mean Cold Cold Hearts, sorry

xp: clip is like years old

er, 4 years old

happy birthday clip.

For the first time, Los Angeles public radio station KCRW (89.9FM and KCRW.com) will shine a spotlight on our most well-known DJ Henry Rollins, in a one-of-a-kind live event.

On Thursday, December 9 at 8pm, KCRW will present an exclusive listening party at the Echoplex which will serve as a benefit for the station. Rollins has been searching his musical vaults and will come armed with top selections from his personal music collection – some of which have never been heard before -- to share with fans. In a living room-style setting, anecdotes in tow, he’ll share a night of unforgettable tunes and stories.

“I will play stuff that I am unable to on my regular show, due to the rare nature of the material. I have been planning the set for weeks and am so excited to be able to get some truly unique tracks to your ears,” said Rollins. “Basically, the Echoplex will be my living room, you are the guests and I am playing some of my coolest cuts from decades of gathering, complete with the story around the track and its acquisition.”

GET IN THE ECHOPLEX

lol, so hank needs a live audience for his radio show?

"– some of which have never been heard before -- "

never? by anyone? including him?

as much as he gets cunted on, he was behind some pretty epic re-releases and no doubt has a dope collection and ~possibly~ a wealth of unheard shit.

you can see one of them in the video when he's browsing cds ;-)

http://www.punknews.org/images/covers/negative_trend-ep.jpg

D-;

@ 0:38

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/33/m_0b4947de5f85884f22986221760933f7.jpg

didn't somebody (on ILX?) snoop him buying lots of crazy shit on eBay?

he had an acct for buying oop r@re lps i think (pretend forgetfulness)

Does Henry Rollins have a lot of money?

rollins' radio show tbh is a pretty good listen! he should post on ilm.

"hey look it's henry rollins!"

didn't somebody (on ILX?) snoop him buying lots of crazy shit on eBay?

― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 11 November 2010 20:27 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

think a lot of the time when you see ridicu-limited Wolf Eyes tapes and shit go for like $200, turns out it's him buying them

I looked at that link am0n just posted a while back and he was buying lots of signed copies of UK Subs, Lurkers & Ruts singles for like $100 each. I guess that makes sense since he did that gig singing for the Ruts a couple of years ago.

henry rollins is a closeted hipster

explains everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw3sFFd1ZVg

that's really endearing

nice superhero outfit

OMG OMG OMG

That's the version he did as a duet with RuPaul, that Dreamworks refused to be allowed to be released, because it would hurt his image! and still never has been!

<3 <3 <3

Looking at Rollins' "they think I'm old and bourgeoisie, while they're avant-garde proletariat" remark, it makes his later introduction of Shirin Neshat "as an exiled Iranian photographer" as some sort of gross trump card, like dating her qualifies as a great piece of outsider art that they can't equal.

Years and years ago there was a rumor that Rollins had recorded a version of "You Don't Have To Be A Star, Baby (To Be In My Show)" with Mary J. Blige. I always kinda hoped it was true.

Echoplex listeners will be treated to two hours of Think Tank remastered.

also that's the actual superhero outfit from the Liar video, aw

Would love to see Rollins do a Curb or Louie cameo, but the director would have to keep him in the dark about the scene's situation until the cameras rolled.

The dude is totally untouchable for his Infinite Zero re-releases (OOP Trouble Funk albums, the Iceberg Slim spoken word LPs on CD, etc. etc. etc.). I heard he supposedly stores the archives of tons and tons of Dischord stuff, too - master tapes and unreleased albums and stuff - in his vaults.

I was just thinking about how Henry Rollins was a prick. I imported the Volume 11 - Reading Special cd the other day and listened to the Rollins Tour Diary again. He comes off as a major asshole.

Looking at Rollins' "they think I'm old and bourgeoisie, while they're avant-garde proletariat" remark, it makes his later introduction of Shirin Neshat "as an exiled Iranian photographer" as some sort of gross trump card, like dating her qualifies as a great piece of outsider art that they can't equal.

― Cunga, Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

LOL yes there is definitely nothing as anti-hipster as a Video Artist!

BTW if that's correct upthread that this was shot in 2006, dude's diaries reveal that he was massively, massively, clinically depressed at the time; very unhappy with some then-current career decisions and unable (due to his pathology) to communicate his discomfort to his co-workers; bottling up resentment and getting angry at the situation, instead of attempting to solve it; and that by early the next year he was much healthier, and consciously aware of what a state he'd been in during the previous year (and relieved at the difference now he was out of it).

It's certainly good to hear that this doesn't reflect his current mental state. I had a good year or two idolizing the spoken word and would like to think he's at heart a cool guy.

there's also that phil was basically otm re: a socially awkward nerd , it's just that sometimes we handle these things better than others, and frame of mind affects our ability to respond

I liked "Think Tank" a lot, it did sort of end in a "Here's some hilarious stuff I wrote to someone.." but the rest was all good.

TBH I *like* Rollins because at heart he's the nerd-made-good, revenge fantasies and all that, but you know he's still human and unsure. I've seen him do standup a couple times in past years and he did this one where he went ON AND ON about turning 40 and how horrible it was and blah blah but then he segued into this awesome story about going to a KISS concert and how adorable and awesome KISS fans are which kind of redeemed his "wah I am an old fake" rant.

I DNGI why he is so obsessed with this "people dismiss me cos Im an old has been" thing. Why does he think this? He's the arbiter of true hardcore! He was the singer of Black Flag FFS. What is the matter with him?!

PS I read "get in the van" back in the day and it made me all aggresive and angry for some reason. Not at what I read, but in some weird sympathy?

seems plausible enough

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Wow, that 1984 clip brings back all my mixed feelings about Black Flag at the time.

I will say this: Not all social behavior on the other side of decent is equally bad, and that kind of confrontational narcissism is both very '84 punk and very sociable in its stunted way--the idea of putting it all out there (including prejudices), making people defend themselves, snapping them out of politeness, challenging received thinking, etc. If there are less healthy impulses mixed in (aggressiveness, asking questions so loaded you couldn't possibly want an answer), that only shows the risks of living too long on the other side.

The reason the kid isn't too shocked is he's used it. (Even Henry touching his hair is very slam-pit, somewhere between tenderness and a prelude to a fight.) He runs the interview in that same play-acting way until the tables get turned, and obviously doesn't know what to make of Kira, who's unacculturated enough to think she's being interviewed. And as if to confirm Henry's paranoia, he invokes the common, automated critique of Black Flag at the time--that they were playing "heavy metal," "selling out," not playing "TV Party" etc.

So I don't see a bully and a kid, I see a bunch of kids trying to figure out who they are in a radical situation. And there's a bit of punk culture-clash in the New York footage too, where, what, these women are surprised Henry Rollins is baiting them with whatever demons lurk in his head rather than asking them questions and getting to know them after they yell, "Get in the van!"?

I should say, punk was the first time I became aware of people using quotation marks around everything--speech, clothes, the tiniest behaviors. It was a pointed irony expressed at the expense of all kinds of conventions that truly needed tearing down--and I still see kids deconstructing things as they say them in the same way in alternative schools. But now obviously the attitude toward sexism is like night and day.

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High vote for Rollins here...

Right,I have actually got round to seeing the vid.

He comes over as not a douchebag at all. Someone shouts him, he goes up to them and engages. not in a threatening way.

He may come over as less than modest about his book, but at least she now knows what it was about.

Oh, and the people in the shop are also not douchebags. No-one was insulted or insulting.

So, there you go.

Oh, and the people in the shop are also not douchebags. No-one was insulted or insulting.

I think they were mocking him, but backed down when he came over, trying to make it appear that they were just fans.

so are we assuming that the average nyc hipster recognizes henry rollins on sight... but only in order to mock him?

Mocking is not exactly 'insulting', really.

He's maybe not a 'douchebag', but he is very intense and overbearing in a way that doesn't look at all fun to be around. Everyone else in the video is just a person doing normal stuff.

At the start of the video Rollins was just a person doing normal stuff, he was looking at records and talking about them... Its not like he burst through the doors and called them all fuckfaces.

is it normal to film yrself doing normal stuff

+ not that they could have possibly known it at the time unless they had super-keen hearing, but he was ALREADY being kind of a dick just talking about the records

those poor records!

uhhh i mean i don't know what the larger context of this trip to the record store is, but talking about how "elitist" a store is while you rifle through their shelves pulling out cool albums to show your friend is p.douchey

"here we are at my favorite sushi place — as you can see there is a lot of good sushi on the menu, and that is because only elitist sushi-obsessed snobs who hate me come here to eat"

some of the stuff he says is complete aids

Have Pomplamoose covered any Black Flag songs yet? I behind on ILX reading and want to collapse as many threads as possible.

(xp) there must be a post you can think of that just doesn't reference aids at all. i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one aids survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx

pretty prominent video, but the guy is a complete ass in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc

I mean here's this dude vehemently against hipsters and he accuses some 14 year old kid of not knowing enough about "good music".

^^^^^

Wow, that 1984 clip brings back all my mixed feelings about Black Flag at the time.

I will say this: Not all social behavior on the other side of decent is equally bad, and that kind of confrontational narcissism is both very '84 punk and very sociable in its stunted way--the idea of putting it all out there (including prejudices), making people defend themselves, snapping them out of politeness, challenging received thinking, etc. If there are less healthy impulses mixed in (aggressiveness, asking questions so loaded you couldn't possibly want an answer), that only shows the risks of living too long on the other side.

The reason the kid isn't too shocked is he's used it. (Even Henry touching his hair is very slam-pit, somewhere between tenderness and a prelude to a fight.) He runs the interview in that same play-acting way until the tables get turned, and obviously doesn't know what to make of Kira, who's unacculturated enough to think she's being interviewed. And as if to confirm Henry's paranoia, he invokes the common, automated critique of Black Flag at the time--that they were playing "heavy metal," "selling out," not playing "TV Party" etc.

So I don't see a bully and a kid, I see a bunch of kids trying to figure out who they are in a radical situation. And there's a bit of punk culture-clash in the New York footage too, where, what, these women are surprised Henry Rollins is baiting them with whatever demons lurk in his head rather than asking them questions and getting to know them after they yell, "Get in the van!"?

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, December 20, 2010 7:35 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.

being in black flag, for many people in the group (not least rollins, treated like a human ashtray by some in the audience), seemed to be about positioning yourself in opposition to everything, including your fans.

and a lot of their behaviour, imho, is down to being pretty damaged people in their own right, participating in a project that wasn't designed as a healing process, if that makes sense.

but talking about how "elitist" a store is

tbh, I thought he was being reasonably non-sarcastic here.

yeah sorry jeff that was my bad! stupid schoolyard slang

Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.

― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (12 hours ago)

don't get rollins at all, just seems awful, his obscure logic and weird emo roidhead persona

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xMkHgan0Y

thing abt fucking w rollins is if youre into his music u kno hes like a rattlesnake

those ladies and the kid above kno who theyre dealing w and probably anticipated some confrontation with their comments (ladies: ha u wrote that book man; boy: going heavy metal eh fellas?) which is probably how they got their kicks, the boy handled himself rly well and trolled him back good tho

so yes rollins is/was a douche but i mean why taunt the guy unless you want to put up w his dickish antics

taunting him even slightly knowing how easily u can wind him up also makes u a bit of a douche tho not as much as rollins sure

but people liked to push rollins' buttons

heres a fun one by my man nardwuar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8i4lStIxg