Because it's such a Mojo/Q favourite, my dislike is also reacting against that awful smug rock classics thing, which means it's a prejudiced taste. Should I be challenging myself or is it really is as worthless and dull as I think?
― Guy, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― alex in nyc, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Having played it to death for the last 3 years or so, it's a little over-familiar now, but Classic for sure. The fact that it's so universally fawned over by the dad-rock mags doesn't make it AUTOMATICALLY crap, although I understand the suspicion.
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
then riding on a bus through Archway with a hangover one day, the string quartet on "Don't talk put your head on my shoulder" slid in on top of the vocal melody on my walkman and this was the strand that unlocked the album for me, an epiphany took place, and thenceforward I was captured by its beauty, which was a beauty of a different musical logic than I was used to, hence my initial blindness. For me it's a record for hangovers. It's better than the bitty, half-crap Revolver, but this is really beginning to resemble a giants of rock mojo argument so will desist...
enough to say that the acclaim it gets is OTT: it's not an unassailable classic: the instrumentals seem overly loungey and dated now, but the songs and the textures get me every time.
― Peter, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― scott bassett, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― james e l, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― scott, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
after repeated playings, the music -- in a way that only a few records can -- passed through my ears and connected with my soul, wherever it may be. it was one of those moments when you literally stop dead in your tracks and realize that an album, a book, a film is playing out your life, before your very eyes/ears. the music was charged with hope, anxiety, fear; it screamed, it sighed, it shed tears: it wasn't notes or chords or lyrics, it was the word made flesh.
when you reach that level of engagment with a work of art, as i hope everyone has at some point, how the melody compares to so-and-so or "are the lyrics really as sophisticated as blah blah?", questions like that, they cease to matter. pet sounds, for me, is about being young, stupid, and in love for the very first time and i hope it continues to bring me back to those times. 'til i die.
― fred solinger, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
if you want a friendly alternative to pet sounds at the very least say today!, the second side of which, if it were an album, probably tops pet sounds, "bull session with big daddy" notwithstanding.
but, as tom just proved to me, it needs to be reworked just a little: it's music for people who didn't get out enough as adolescents. because even if you're out partying every night now, your past is always with you like a scar, like the ghost of the person you'd like to believe you once were and are no longer.
Okay, so perhaps part of that is because it was released just before I was born. My understanding is that Pet Sounds played a big part in determining the direction for Sgt. Pepper, another album I don't get. I also think that Revolver was really the start of this direction, at least as far as pop/rock goes (admittedly, other artists were pushing the boundaries of recorded sound in other genres...Raymond Scott, to name one). I think Pet Sounds is pleasant enough, but hell, I even prefer to listen to the Heavy Blinkers' album, which uses it as an influence.
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Omar, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Except for Sloop John B, which gets a pass because of an injoke with my cousin involving hoisting my, erm, rather large grandmother's underwear in the air on laundry day and running around screaming "Hoist up the john b sails!" over and over. So, yeah. Anyhow.
― Ally, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Classic: the phrase "fawning pube head"
― mark s, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But I regress, this little tangent has more to do with the validity of deeming a record a 'classic' or not than it does 'Pet Sounds.' So I'll go ahead and bite and tell the world 'Pet Sounds' is a favorable record in my collection despite ANYTHING that has been said about it.
But what about 'Friends' or the brilliant 'Smile?' No one's talking about those? Right, Q or Mojo has yet to run coverage on either. Can you say "Manipulation by the Media?"
― JRL, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― K-reg, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
You only don’t like the Beach Boys because…you only don’t like the Beach Boys. It’s that simple my friend (where you got the ‘jealous’ bit is beyond me - I'm actually quite theoryless on why people don't like the Beach Boys).
Also, you're right I SHOULD calm down. I was having a fucking crazy caffinated day at work (Wall St. style!) and I went off...but today is TGIF!
Since when does opinion = token of angst? Reread the rest of the opinions on the thread mate! (Notice my previous message said nothing of blood and razor blades;)
I also don't think this thread is ENTIERLY about insecurties, but it did start with a lad wondering out loud if he should 'challenge' himself to give 'Pet Sounds' another chance as he fears his taste is predjudice (and even he agrees the 'rock classic thing is smug'). I say go with your insticts man!
Hey K-Reg - you're right, I'm sure a lot of people who rate Pet Sounds highly where in other places and times than SoCal in the mid 60's. But some Beach Boys tunes are nostalgic for me as I grew up listening to them on the Gulf Coast (of Mexico) in the 80's and the aesthetic seemed to transfer well, but I was just a little kid of course. Also, I'm glad we made you laugh from our 'symphonoc angst.'
Cheers y'all!
― JRL, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
One of the better capsule descriptions of A Certain Album I Like is that it's _Pet Sounds_ meets _Metal Machine Music_. And frankly of the three I know which one I like listening to the most...
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
;)
loveless, for me, is like pet sounds but without the tunes. and the angst. and the deep, lasting connection. but with guitars. so, not really like pet sounds after all. ;)
― fred solinger, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Josh, Saturday, 5 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Sunday, 6 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'll give you an abridged/simplified rant, as opposed to one of my massive rampages that I've given in the past (so, this version will be shorter and sweeter than in the past, which also means less involved and less detailed).
Brian Wilson and lyricist (depending on which album) vs. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and George Martin. PLUS, The Beatles had the record label AND almost literally the rest of the entire (yes, entire) world on their side (very much unlike Brian). Put all that together and...you get one lopsided "battle". Nonetheless, Brian some-freakin-how managed to STILL win the "war" (until the breakdown, at least).
-Early Beach Boys (B.Wilson = "The Beach Boys") is better than early Beatles. I'll take songs about surf-n-turf (regardless of how fake they were, which they were fake, Brian was nearly afraid of the water) over "she loves you yea yea yea" n'sync bull. -'Pet Sounds' is better than 'Revolver' (the difference is that one must actually listen very closely to 'Pet Sounds' than to 'Revolver' to fully hear thus understand this - which is the case with B.Wilson to The Beatles, in general...one must listen more closely to how intricate Brian gets with his brilliant music, that The Beatles simply do not touch). -'Smile' was set to be better than 'Sgt. Peppers'. By most all accounts of those around that scene who saw and/or heard 'Smile' being recorded (months before 'Sgt.' I might add) has admitted to as much.
Brian was, basically, always one step ahead of The Beatles. Of course, until his impending breakdown (which would've happened to literally anyone else - including Lennon or McCartney, if the situations were reversed).
However, I certainly will say that:
The Beatles absolutely were better pure/standard/verse-chorus-verse songwriters than Brian and lyricist. I will give them that. But, as far as "the big picture" in terms of albums (of which only the early stuff onward to 'Smile' can be taken into account - in all fairness) or over-all finished products (including certain singular songs written by Brian after 'Smile' the ones that were truly on account of/written by Brian within his very much dimished role in The Beach Boys)...which would account for the mixture of actual basis of the song/composition/lyrics+arrangement+production...I just can't see The Beatles as equal (much less above) that of Brian Wilson. But, that deals (of course, as with everything in life) with ones own personal opinions. I mean, I'm alright with people calling it a draw, but. Most feel compelled to constantly view The Beatles as above (if not FAR above) Brian (The Beach Boys), which simply isn't based on reality. I find that many Beatles supporters go overboard and the rest of the world validates them doing so (sadly enough).
― michael g. breece, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tom, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But I still love it.
― Robin Carmody, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― michael g. breece, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
*there was a mistake in sending that message prematurely, by the way*
But, I would completely (though partially) agree with you about both bands lyrics being in the "crap n'sync" vein (as I already stated in my previous post, the Beach Boys, at least, mixed in some other variants than JUST "crap n'sync" simple love letters).
"over-indulged" - who's to say. Personally, I don't make such caps on art. Clearly, Parks was attempting a sort of "Picasso" of rock lyric. And...why not? Nothing wrong with that. Rock should have such freedoms (which both Brian Wilson and The Beatles were both quite important in freeing up pop/rock in numerous artistic ways - lyrically, musically, sonically, conceptually, etc). Especially seeing as Brian was doing the same with the music - a sort of "Picasso" of a rock album (was what the pieces of the 'Smile' puzzle had been).
The Beatles were better at FASHION, period. Which, unfortunately, is a part of the reason why they are so vastly more accepted and then respected in comparison to Brian Wilson (I could give a flying rats assed fuck about The Beach Boys, in case that wasn't already clear enough). The element of fashion ("hipness") clearly played a larger role than most would care to realize in their transition compared to Brian (and the Boys).
VDP's lyrics - yeah of course he was trying to do this and that. Saying it was "over-indulged" I don't think is trying to "set caps on art" - it's pointing out that whatever he was trying to do, I don't think he managed it. Compare especially his excellent lyrics on "Discover America". Points-for-effort is not a particularly sensible mode of criticism, I think.
― Tom, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tim, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dleone, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Terry Shannon, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andrew L, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 8 May 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 8 May 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't know. I thought you were being flip in reviving a thread about a pretty serious piece of work and just going, "Dud, can't get through it." So I thought I'd be flip right back atcha and imply that Pet Sounds is Ellingtonian in scope. Not so far off base, is it?
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link
As is, very near the top.
― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Sunday, 8 May 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Those are easily the best songs on "Sunflower".
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 8 May 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link
SNAP! Fucking Aussies.
― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
I thought it was a gunshot when I heard the sound ("Brian Wilson's finally lost it!")
― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amon (eman), Sunday, 8 May 2005 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 8 May 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Zed Szetlian (Finn.MacCoo...), May 8th, 2005.
I don't think it's a rock-and-roll album at all. I realize you may just be using the term as a catch-all, but I do think (in light of the recently resuscitated Rockism discussion) that there's a tendency for people who primarily like rock and roll to find this one "ok to like" because it gets grouped with rock. But to me it bears more similarity to elaborately arranged pop music, like maybe Roy Orbison.
― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 9 May 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 May 2005 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link
I've been listening to it on repeat for the last few days and one thing that's struck me is that 'I'm Waiting For The Day' is the album's unheralded masterpiece. Does anyone else agree?
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 July 2005 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link
and i agree on the strange demand the record makes for singing along...with lots of people...all mangling the various harmonies..especially after a few drinks. such a wonderful place.
i love Brians fluttertone rhythms used throughout and taken even further on smile
― b b, Friday, 8 July 2005 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm not sure if I will believe that tomorrow though...
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 8 July 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
I was hoping you said Rock Cannon.. as in an AC/DC prop or something.
"FOR THOSE ABOUT TO PET...."
"SOUNDS!" *BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST*
"BRIIIIIIIAN WIIIIIIIIIIIILSON!"
― donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― lyra (lyra), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joseph Cowart (Joseph Cowart), Saturday, 9 July 2005 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes, that's basically true. But then, I'll take as much LHRW as you got.
― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link
what do the ppl who heard it think of it?
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 17 May 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
― 2for25, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link
― dan selzer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
― dan selzer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
― dan selzer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
― Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
― Jon Lewis, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
― Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
― J.D., Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
― Steve Shasta, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link
― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link
― Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link
― darin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link
― abanana, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:36 (sixteen years ago) link
― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link
― Jamesy, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:19 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link
oh god reading this shit made me so depressed. does anyone around here likes this album? its so beautiful. all this hate seems so reactionary
― lukevalentine, Saturday, 24 October 2009 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
It is absolutely glorious and fantastic througout. Beautiful melodies, beautiful vocal harmonies.
The Beatles were better than Beach Boys generally, but they never made an album as fantastic as this one.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 24 October 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
yes i agree with this, i've always felt that the beatles are superior but never made a record as consistent as Pet Sounds which is way more consistent than say sgt. pepper's both sonically and songwise. it has that same solid gold feel throughout... presumably this is due to the fact that Beatles albums are compilations of the songs of three different songwriters and this album is Brian's vision alone. although it's not like any of the solo Beatle albums are as good as this either...
― lukevalentine, Saturday, 24 October 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
someone mentioned odessey and oracle upthread.... I think that record has the same consistent feel. I have never really compared that record with Pet Sounds though. I have no idea which is better
― lukevalentine, Saturday, 24 October 2009 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
second thought - "god only knows" probably gives this album an edge over other contenders in this category. it's just perfect
― lukevalentine, Saturday, 24 October 2009 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link
it is somewhat overrated, but its a great pop album and god only knows is perfect
― FACK, Sunday, 25 October 2009 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link
"Odessey & Oracle" is another album that I consider better than anything by The Beatles.
Their only other album, "Begin Here" is considerably weaker though.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 25 October 2009 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link
wait are we talking about the zombies?
― FACK, Sunday, 25 October 2009 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
it's always a good time to talk about the zombies IMO
― lukevalentine, Sunday, 25 October 2009 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I think one of the reasons Pet Sounds' reputation is so huge as opposed to similar LPs is because it supposedly influenced The Beatles, I mean McCartney has raved about it and many other pop stars. Radiohead have talked about it and referenced it as well
― lukevalentine, Sunday, 25 October 2009 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't loooooooooooove the Beach Boys from their heyday period like many others here do. But I agree with Geir about this album.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 25 October 2009 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
all this hate seems so reactionary
― PappaWheelie V, Sunday, 25 October 2009 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Weird album in that I both love it and think it's overrated.
― Mark, Sunday, 25 October 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
it's sort of "overrated", sure, but against what?
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 25 October 2009 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link
it's not as good as pet sounds
― iatee, Sunday, 25 October 2009 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
not asking to be a dick, but I think it's curious ... what are those rock albs that are so clearly superior to this second-tier 'Pet Sounds' ?
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 25 October 2009 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/119/119099_cda_f.jpg
― iatee, Sunday, 25 October 2009 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link
'Revolver', sure I could get that
actually I think the essence of 'Pet Sounds' diminishness lies in something like "Highway 61 Revisited"
because "Highway 61 Revisited" is clearly better than 'Pet Sounds'
:) but this obviously comes down to preconceptions about what "rock music" should "do"
i personally think it should "do" what Dylan did on 61, but I love and live 'Pet Sounds' until my dying day.....
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 25 October 2009 04:05 (fourteen years ago) link
god, somehow that post got all f'd up
oh well
every album in this thread rocks ... not sure about Ian's last gap BB rec though!!
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 25 October 2009 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link
er, iatee, i mean
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 25 October 2009 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link
"Odessey & Oracle" I like FAR better than Pet Sounds. Same with "Piper at the Gates of Dawn". Same with "Revolver" and "White Album". I need to hear Pet Sounds in stereo though, I have only ever heard it in mono. Also it's been a long time.
I remember the first time I heard it, it was so hyped up for me that it couldn't possibly live up to it. I still really loved it but in particular the instrumental tracks seemed like 101 Strings BS. Later when I heard them they were some of the trippiest and most fun parts of the record!
Never cared much for "O Caroline". Never got the huge love for that track. It's kind of boring and sappy.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 25 October 2009 07:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I like Brian Wilson's "Smile" better than "Pet Sounds" come to think of it.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 25 October 2009 07:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Neither.
― Moka, Sunday, 25 October 2009 08:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I love "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times." it's so plaintive in a really personal way. it's like a musical self-portrait of Brian
― lukevalentine, Sunday, 25 October 2009 08:47 (fourteen years ago) link
A lot of overrated albums are still classic. But this one is not even overrated.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 25 October 2009 13:12 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ally, Wednesday, May 2, 2001 8:00 PM (8 years ago) Bookmark
Figured this for an lj post.
― alexfromnycderpoolera (kingkongvsgodzilla), Sunday, 25 October 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
TWO instrumentals? This album did not need two instrumentals.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 25 October 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
i love the beach boys. i don't really have anything else to add. sorry
― gareth
^^^^this
― velko, Sunday, 25 October 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
"Wouldn't It Be Nice" came on oldies station today and I just imagined being in the room they recorded it and tried to picture all these people playing multiple pianos and jingle bells and tympanist and vibraphones and etc etc. Was it recorded live? Wow what an amazing sound Brian got!
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 26 October 2009 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Friday, July 8, 2005 11:46 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark
Yes
― chocolatepiekid, Monday, 26 October 2009 07:29 (fourteen years ago) link
If it had some ripping frazzled psyche guitar solos, it'd be a much better album.
― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 26 October 2009 11:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Certainly worked for the Zombies.
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 26 October 2009 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i pulled this thread up cuz i'm spending tonight in self loathing mode and listening t oPet Sounds and Smiley Smile era Beach Boys (just saw Mike Love and the band he calls the Beach Boys live a few weeks ago and they were pretty awesome)....
and this thread is clearly the biggest challopser I've ever read. Pet Sounds might be 'overrated' to some degree but there's little doubt in my mind that it's filled with fantastic songs. Hell, the first four tracks are pretty much flawless!
― Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 10 April 2010 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link
basically old-ILM was just a bunch of trolls who hated to get trolled and eventually got older, fatter, grayer in their safe haven corner of the blogosphere.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 April 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link
so presumably there's a thread from 2003 proclaiming Coda to be Led Zeppelin's best album.....
― Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 10 April 2010 04:14 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm when did Lord Soto Challops show up on ILM?
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 April 2010 04:24 (fourteen years ago) link
We're not as intent on fighting the Heartbreak of Rockism as we once were. I never gave a fuck about rockism, or popism, or Geirism, or whatever. I just liked what I liked, including Pet Sounds.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 10 April 2010 08:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Kind of a dud, for me, to be honest. http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/the-beach-boys-–-pet-sounds-–-round-14-–-nick’s-selection/
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 16 September 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
So while I find the rollicking drums of I’m Waiting For The Day exciting and pleasurable, I find Don’t Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) and You Still Believe In Me to be just a little… dull.
Aww really? I think 'You Still Believe In Me' is incredibly beautiful, the bit at the end (from 'I wanna cry' echoing the intro melody, before it dies down and builds up into those harmonies) is incredible.
"Pet Sounds" is a classic for me, but on a personal level I get the most enjoyment from "Sunflower" of all the Beach Boys albums.
― Turrican, Friday, 16 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
Someone in my neighborhood is jamming this pretty loud for 11:30pm on a Monday night.
"I'm Waiting For The Day" at the moment.
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 07:25 (twelve years ago) link
your neighbours OTM
― The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 10:48 (twelve years ago) link
Just got the Pet Sounds Sessions box in the mail and I skipped straight ahead to the a capella version of the album at the start of disc three. Boy, what a revelation. I mean, it's obviously their thing to do those gorgeous perfect harmonies, but to hear them isolated like that just brings out something so pure in it. Really hypnotizing and wonderful. I don't know why I waited so long to get the box.
― austinato (Austin), Thursday, 29 October 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link
Thanks to a Rick Astley-related link, just learned that this is currently #26 on the British album charts.
― clemenza, Saturday, 18 June 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link
The sessions box is wonderful. Night and day between this and the Beatles anthologies !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 18 June 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
WANT.i love this album so so much.
― brimstead, Saturday, 18 June 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link
listening to the instrumental tracks and you can sort of see why mike love was freaked out. otherworldly chord changes.
― brimstead, Saturday, 18 June 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
This is like a master class in pop. Anyone who wants to make songs should listen to this box !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 18 June 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
BBC Classic Albums show tomorrow night on bbc 4
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07ljcxf
― piscesx, Saturday, 23 July 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link
Did anyone happen to catch this? And how was it? Should I try to watch it somehow from across the pond? Does David Fricke show up intermittently to tell me why Pet Sounds is so good?
― it's sort of a layered stunt (sheesh), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:49 PM (6 years ago)
it totally did btw, the instrumentals on this album are both wonderful
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
Yup. And as I mentioned previously, listening to the instrumentals of the other songs is a trip.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
At least for me, it really brought out the "strangeness" and "complexity" of the chord changes and stuff.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
Does David Fricke show up intermittently to tell me why Pet Sounds is so good?
Same question
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
No, he doesn't. This wasn't long or in depth enough, they didn't talk about every track for a start. They interviewed all the right people though: all the remaining Beach Boys, Tony Asher, Hal Blaine, Don Randi. Don't know why Helen Shapiro was on it though and why she was given as much screen time as Mike Love or Al Jardine. Brian started off very lucid but seemed to be losing it a bit by the end.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 09:36 (seven years ago) link
yeah, the moments with Brian and Mark Linett in the studio, vaguely listening to some isolated tracks, are awkward (and quite useless).the documentary was ok but I guess not for big fans who already know a lot about all these stories and recordings.I don't think I have learned or heard anything new but it's always nice to go back to this fantastic album.a funny moment was when Jardine was seating in front of a piano for the interview. then next comment he's still seating there but with a guitar. I was wondering where they would stop and if he would have an extra instrument each time !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 10:46 (seven years ago) link
Pet Sounds good because the lyrics were largely written by Laura LaPlante's son. And that's fun.
The day Brian Wilson and Tony Asher met at Western Studios, Tony introduced Brian to "Stella By Starlight", perhaps during Asher's Bill Evans phase.
Of course, Brian's obsession with Dick Reynolds, the arranger for the Four Freshmen, culminated in the "Beach Boys" warbly bootleged version of the song (along with another standard performed just as warbly, "How Deep Is The Ocean"). Both are Brian, Reynolds, and Bones Howe in Studio A (where Spector recorded Ebb Tide a month earlier)
But I suspect all of these events happened on the same day, October 15, '65, just as Brian was recording this overlooked seed for Pet Sounds (generally misidentified as a Smile fragment)
https://youtu.be/iMDn-CQPyF8
How much Brian was dropping in on Gold Star during the fall of '65 just to hear other people's sessions remains debated, but some of those Spector proteges/throw-aways are fucking marvels -- so I can see where Brian felt a surge of ideas
https://youtu.be/28IkZ0okfcQ
And once the Beach Boys returned from Japan around Feb '66, Mike Love was greeted with Brian's solo Caroline No already in the can, and facing his role on "Let Go of Your Ego" being the first session.
https://youtu.be/X3f6ZKQ_ffo
I often speculate on the Sloop John B sessions, just before Mike Love got on that plane to Hawaii/Japan (wait; who's gettin' paid royalties on this traditional folk song, Brian?!)
― OPRAH WHEELIE! (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 29 July 2016 23:13 (seven years ago) link
this was lacking something. wished the had the in depth analysis of each track like they did with previous episodes of this
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Friday, 29 July 2016 23:19 (seven years ago) link
Still the best Brian interviews I've seen on it, and well combined with Wrecking Crew interciews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0vAL8dHBxA
― OPRAH WHEELIE! (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 29 July 2016 23:27 (seven years ago) link
missed you bro
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 July 2016 23:33 (seven years ago) link
thank you. seriously :-)
― OPRAH WHEELIE! (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 29 July 2016 23:33 (seven years ago) link
“I can’t help how I act when you’re not here with me”
― Random Shitposter (calstars), Friday, 29 December 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link
picked up the 4cd sessions this week, with acapella/miscellany/sax solo/dogs barking. "hey jack, is it possible we could bring a horse in here...?" "my horse would be so bitchin' in here!" no one will ever make a record as beautiful and pure as this. when traveling in california i saw brian & co play it from start to finish in san diego. i got told off for dancing.
― meaulnes, Sunday, 19 May 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link
oh, and my housemate made a very astute observation on a detail in 'don't talk. he remarked (while blind drunk i might add) how the kettle drum appearing around 2:07 is perhaps in anticipation of the following song, which of course has the big kettle drum intro.
― meaulnes, Sunday, 19 May 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link
for people who listen to records and who like the beach boys: i'm playing a non-fancy U.S. stereo reissue from 2016 put out by Capitol/UMe with the UPC code 6 02547 822289 1 and it is without a doubt the best version of this album that i've ever heard. and i've heard multiple versions from multiple years and yes i have heard the mono version that people love that comes with So Tough and this is really the one. Big, Bright, Tons of Detail. its a jaw-dropper.
played on a Music Hall Ikura table with a gold Viburg weight and resting on an Auralex Acoustics isolation platform and run through a Marantz 2230 into vintage Klipsch Heresy II speakers. just in case Steve Hoffman is reading this.
i know i know what about mono but whatever. and i know i know what about the 50th anniversary 200 gram analogue productions pressing from 2016??? well, that one is probably better? i've never heard it! what i have heard? TONS of crappy pressings of this record. and this is just such a treat to actually hear one that opens up and blooms like a rose instead of lying there in the mud with those goats at the pet sounds goat farm. no offense to the goats.
anyway, kudos to Mark Linett. it gives me hope for mixing old stuff in the 21st century.
― scott seward, Friday, 1 March 2024 15:19 (one month ago) link
Some of the worst posts I've ever seen on the internet to start this thread. Truly gag-worthy takes.
Your set up sounds like a dream Scott, happy listening to you!
― H.P, Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:19 (one month ago) link
xp is there something about the Carl and the Passions version that sets it apart?
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:30 (one month ago) link
the tapes they used were supposed to be top notch/early master/etc. can't remember the details. i'm sure there is a very long internet story about it. i'm sure there are people here who can tell you more! some people swear by it as the go-to mono pressing. it sounds good from what i remember. i've sold a bunch of them.
― scott seward, Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:35 (one month ago) link
yeah, that's the one i have - i just remember buying that double-lp set and being pretty sure the shop had no clue it was included. just looked up the discogs prices and was shocked how much mid quality even goes for.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:43 (one month ago) link
i've had pristine early pressings that look unplayed and i think they are going to blow me away and they sound like mud. it happens. Capitol vinyl can be like that. which is why people prefer certain pressing plants from that era. and which is why it was so nice to hear this copy i was playing from 2016. they did a heck of a job with it. but it also doesn't sound...you know, digital. like a CD. too clean. too overdone as far as a new mix goes. people can go overboard with new tech to change the inherent qualities of a record. make it sound like what they THINK it should sound like. this just really sounds like what i imagine an actual reel-to-reel of the album sounded like in 1966. only louder probably.
― scott seward, Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:44 (one month ago) link
I truly wanted to love this album, but I just can't.
― BriefCandles, Sunday, 3 March 2024 00:34 (one month ago) link
its a weird one.
― scott seward, Sunday, 3 March 2024 00:51 (one month ago) link
in 2019 i got to listen to this album while riding the Pacific Surfliner and walking around the San Diego Zoo (the site of the cover shoot). Balboa park instantly struck me as the visual universe of Pet Sounds, also this music loves giraffes. It was 70F and sunny, and there are so many plants i've never seen anywhere else in the zoo.
I don't think Pet Sounds is overrated by the dad rags, if anything it was underrated by the wider public for so long. i'm sure it's pretty hard to have an original thought about Pet Sounds but one dimension the title takes on for me- it's an album about the vulnerable, dependent kind of love, like that of a pet for its owner.
the thing with the dad rag praise, calling Pet Sounds the best album ever made implies a lot of things that i've grown uneasy with, like that art should never be limited by practical constraints...
i'm happy with my cd versions (1990 mono with trombone dixie etc, 97 box set)
― A street taco cart named Des'ree (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 3 March 2024 03:28 (one month ago) link
I don't think Pet Sounds is overrated by the dad rags, if anything it was underrated by the wider public for so long.
I think so too. And also Rolling Stone (especially editor Dave Marsh) were actually pretty hard on it whenever I came across any mention of it published in the '70s or anything Marsh wrote in the '80s and '90s. They didn't hate it, but they constantly argued it was pretentious and beneath their earlier hits. Even Robert Christgau and I believe Greil Marcus maintain that argument.
They're older now, but the first newspaper critics I remember reading in the '90s were part of a later generation and really championed it. Everyone I knew back home who adored it was high school or college age at the turn of the millennium - Wilson's big revival (which began with that first Pet Sounds tour) probably fed off that and vice versa. I haven't heard as much about it now, but I think that's more reflective of changes in pop with the music most consciously influenced by Wilson having less of a mainstream presence now. I personally don't care - I never bought into the idea that musical trends defined "greatness" to the extent that a work is taken down a notch simply because other things have become trendy. Pet Sounds hasn't lost anything for me, it's still brilliant and beautiful for so many reasons - absolutely one of the great landmarks in rock history.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 3 March 2024 06:09 (one month ago) link