Search and Destroy: Mariah Carey

Anyhow, if we must: Search: Fantasy Destroy: Mariah Carey.

Destroy: "Dream Lover". Oh, look. Everything detestable about Mariah in one handy package. How convenient.

like dan, i'd go with "vision of love" as my search pick. her vocalizing is quite fine on it, i must say, and even though it's in 12/8, it's still a good song. though i wonder if i liked it if it had been done by "mariah carey," if you get me. probably not because the mariah of today, with her millions of dollars, boy toys, and hoopties, has long forgotten what it was like to sing something like she meant it.

Destroy: Her boobs. You definitely don't need to SEARCH for those.

was that very harsh?

That Dog; haven't they ceased to exist? don't stalk alex, he's dangerous.

xx

She should be destroyed if only for showing those monstrosities she calls breasts off at every opportunity.... vile lollopy hanging beasts.

Remind me of my Gran's.......

wtf are you on about geir, joni mitchell is very attractive!!

Sounds like a good idea. Tell me when you find her, and I'll help you destroy her.

The first single didn't do much for me.

"With her last album, Mariah Carey has gone from awful (Adult Contemporary) to even worse (contemporary hip-hop-influenced R&B)"

Wasn't this true from Butterfly onwards though? I remember "Honey" being the decisive step towards "hip-hop-influenced R&B".

Dan Perry OTM in 2001.

search: Mariah Carey
when you find her: DESTROY! DESTROY! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

&, yeah, to piggyback SS's endorsement of Pope Dang, "Vision of Love" makes her first album.

May I direct you to "Knockin' Boots" by Candyman, in which he decides to "break off a bottle of Asti Spumanti, pop off the top, and rock with my posse."

Yeah, I pulled that "five year" thing out of the buttocks - I'd love to know when it ("Bacardi / party") first popped up, tho.

Destroy: "Hero," "The Beautiful Ones" cover w/ Sisqo

Most of these ballads I'm bitching about, now that I think about it, are more from R&B-influenced folks (cf. teenypop) than from actual R&B artists (though I'm not sure such a distinction means a damn thing).

Conclusion: I'm full of it; carry on.

Sorta on-topic (& I swear I've brought this up before): there's a bit during The Kings of Comedy where Steve Harvey goes off on how no one does love songs anymore, & it's all blustery dick-swinging bullshit (my words, not his). & then they put on some Teddy Pendergrass, & most of the people in the crowd stand up, & SH is yelling at people that haven't moved - "STAND THE F*CK UP!" (again, my words) - & he's kicking over the small endtable on stage & the mic stand & he's FEELING IT, lipsynching and swaying, and Spike Lee cuts to women in the audience, clutching their hands to their chest and singing & swaying along. &, yeah, he might have a point, but then love's changed a bit, too, Steve, so the woo you pitch isn't going to be the woo your son or daughter pitches (though it's coming from the same place).

Is "ballad" (musically speaking) a matter of tempo & sound or of subject matter?

Um, OK?

yeah the mary j version of "hate it or love it" came on the dancefloor at this hip hop club in Seattle while I was there with my newfound EMP pals and it was lush and pretty damn heart-tuggin' -- a great song . . .

I really wish that people would actually have some clue as to what they were talking about before uccumbing to the impluse to say stupid, ignorant bullshit.

also, going along with what i wrote on the blog about mimi, "it's like that" isn't even a mariah song -- it's such a mary j track! (the weirdest thing on the disc is jermaine dupri's nelly impersonation on "got your number").

the aversion to ballads among (GENERALIZATION ALERT!) white R&B/hip-hop listeners comes from being beholden to only the beat, and not considering the lyrics, tone, subject matter that those productions deliver. the bangers are where you lose yourself in a crowd, but the ballads are where you lose yourself in yourself...

I think this is a good explanation, Jams, but I also think it smacks of injunctions as to how to listen 'correctly' (your generalization point is noted, though!). I'll freely admit to preferring the beat straight up, but I would prefer this most of the time in just about ANYTHING, r'n'b or not. Reflective musical introspection from where I sit more often than not relies on music providing/enabling that mood rather than lyrics, tone etc. Not universally, sure, but consistently and much more often than not for me at least.

Oh, and Mariah Carey is viscous, foul-smelling stain on the already soiled underwear of vomitous popular culture.

Um, rather xpostish.

I don't understand what you mean at all. "It's Like That" has been all over radio and TV for months and "We Belong Together" is just now starting to get airplay. the latter may have been a teaser single before the former was released but it's currently being treated as the follow-up.

also I love how Eric Roberts has continued his streak of weird video cameos from "Mr. Brightside" into both of the new Mariah vids. she leaves him at the alter in "We Belong Together"!

Hi, Blount!

- MTV News, January 4th
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1495306/20050104/story.jhtml

Bingoboys - "How to Dance" maybe??

And yeah, she was fab at Live8 and the VMAs.

I like this whole album a lot. The first time I bought it and listened through I was disappointed, but its grown on me immensely. I just don't understand why the advance I downloaded ages ago had that awesome extra bonus cut "Secret Love" produced by Swizz Beats that was CRUELLY cut from the final tracklist! Damn you!

I also love how the Dupri-Nelly imitation song samples "Just an Illusion" which is my jam.

i like Rainbow

how bout that cover of Take a look at me now?

Rainbow and Glitter are the only two albums of hers I can listen to ... major portions of. I guess Butterfly has its moments too.

i did not know you liked rainbow :)

I met Mariah back stage one day and fucked her in her ass. She absolutely loved it and asked me to do it to her again after the show. She really does have a small, skinny ass and I wish she would clean it more often.

:(

http://photos.friendster.com/photos/59/84/904895/10935452240366l.jpg

"Liked" is going a little bit far, but I can corroborate The Rev's story.

haha pasted from upthread

Always be My Baby is the greatest song ever written.

I met Mariah back stage one day and fucked her in her ass. She absolutely loved it and asked me to do it to her again after the show. She really does have a small, skinny ass and I wish she would clean it more often.

― peace, love, and ban deeznuts (The Reverend), Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:55 AM (5 months ag

lolololz

yeah rev otm

i'm sorry but i have to say that i am saddened by that, rev.

the whole Butterfly album is worthwhile, very much so.

http://twitter.com/MariahCarey/status/19813217327

never change, mimi <3 <3 <3

Dear lord. I had to listen to that butchering of "Without You" the other day (that was her, wasn't it?). I shall pretend the question was not asked.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, May 2, 2001 1:00 AM (9 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a really unfortunate statement

Destroy: "Dream Lover". Oh, look. Everything detestable about Mariah in one handy package. How convenient.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, May 2, 2001 1:00 AM (9 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is also very troubling. one of the great classics.

i should stop now before i get too down on life.

the whole Butterfly album is worthwhile, very much so.

it's the only thing i really like by her but this. "the roof" (song & video) is just the most gorgeous thing eva.

OMG RIGHT

the roof... i can't even. one night i heard it drifting out of my bedroom when i didn't really know the album well and i was like WAHT IS THIS THING. her voice!!

:( @ top of this thread, :) @ bottom

i think the most perfect way to hear "the roof" would be drifting across summer night air from another room or flat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rV1qmXwmy8&feature=player_embedded

watch it now

I met Mariah back stage one day and fucked her in her ass. She absolutely loved it and asked me to do it to her again after the show. She really does have a small, skinny ass and I wish she would clean it more often.

― dave swade, Tuesday, September 4, 2001 7:00 PM (10 years ago)

http://static.wetpaint.me/network/ROOT/photos/Mariah-1650598034875288361.jpg

fuck yeah mariah carey

The Roof is such a jam.

The beat is totally Shook Ones...

Surprised I've never heard this before.

i don't like this woman's music at all, but every time i hear the high notes at the end of Emotions i laugh very hard.

i just noticed dave swade's post upthread. A+

can ppl post their fav mariah remixes? remixes of mariah songs. there was that awesome house one from last year but i can't remember what it was called... i'm trying to wade through youtubes of others and found this cool junior vasquez one but there's a lot can i get some help

New single: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1xoQFE7ts

jeez her voice sounds so strained in the chorus, dunno if i can get down with this one mariah gurl

It makes me laugh when she sings the word "infinity" for an infinite amount of time. And that's a ... good thing, I think?

i love the voice on the actual "infinity" trills, that head voice is fucking beyond

some of the other vocal production is admittedly kinda off tho

still think the song is kinda beautiful

Last "dream" is hysterical.

The scoop up. I'm in stitches here.

omg it is

i know, i actually really love this song even tho some of the vocals are like waht

i repeat tho that the trills are like no other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3KOowB4k_k

To anyone that wants to put Mariah Carey down: I will come to your house, and I will fucking kill you. Don't fuck with Mariah Carey, unless you wanna fuck with me (you don't)

Gay or straight (I believe it's all on a spectrum), agree with me here, that she was the most beautiful woman in the world in this video. Or, I will castrate you because you're useless anyway.

Everything she did down to 'Rainbow' is unfuckwithable. Don't fuck with me today. Today is a Mariah Carey day.

LEAVE MARIAH CAREY AND ME ALONE,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXQViqx6GMY

I love her so much. All of you guys are assholes for not loving her. I love her so much.

I can seriously talk about how much I lLOVE MARIAH CAREY all day, but, I'll not do that. I just wish Surmounter were here.

I want to be the ANTI-ALEX IN NYC, because Mariah Carey is wonderful, and I will fucking YELL at people who disagree.

Don't worry. I'm here for you. I'm here for Mariah.

damn dawg we all love Mariah in here, and I voted for "Ribbon" in that Pazz & Jop poll

my jam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjQZkt84zMs

She is, was and ever shall be ... fucking dreadful.

i'm here monster. nice think piece in the Times the other day.

Destroy Hero imo.

ilm had the worst fucking taste I swear

she’s no annie

2020 ilm asked about 2001 ilm:

(gif didn’t load, put a nail in it)

she’s no annie

This is like saying Sally Rooney is no George Eliot.

it's fun to watch them come around on her when "we belong together" started smashing

big search: memoirs of an imperfect angel; caution

Caution still sounds marvelous.

otm, such a great album

"a no no" is so much fun

oh my god, i hadn't seen the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sap-GTtCiU

No one seems to have brought up the revelation that Mariah secretly wrote, recorded, and sang backing vocals on an alternative rock album in the midst of recording Daydream.

Fun fact: I did an alternative album while I was making Daydream 👀 Just for laughs, but it got me through some dark days. Here's a little of what I wrote about it in #TheMeaningOfMariahCarey 🤟 S/O to my friend Clarissa who performs the lead w/ me as a hidden layer #Chick #TMOMC pic.twitter.com/Re23t5whcd

— Mariah Carey (@MariahCarey) September 27, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aekQTU_pRaE

in the least surprising opinion in the history of time I think this rules

Mariah's now saying there are versions of these tracks where she sings lead.

this was on beavis and butthead. probably the best promotion it received.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1pCtaeo3_0

until today obviously

That video’s awful, but the song’s not bad. Has anyone here listened to the full album?

(Tried to find a contemporaneous review, but no dice.)

not to get all serious but this is a really good example of just how easily a lot of '90s pop-alternative albums fell into the memory hole, regardless of stature or major-label status

(that said, it is, uh, findable via the usual means)

I wonder how much the single copy on Discogs was going for, prior to Sunday's reveal (it's currently at $350.00).

I also wonder how fast that seller scrambled to the computer to adjust the price, LOL

That's a new listing but one sold a couple of days ago for a few quid.

I’ve listened to half of it so far on YouTube, with interest. 1995 alt-rock is dead center of my musical universe, so I’m very well-versed in the milieu. The songs are good, and well-written. Of course it has sort of a generic/anonymous feel, which isn’t surprising.

Man, I don't know. Mid-90's alt rock was also very much my cup of tea in those days and I feel like it's pretty unremarkable and not at all surprising that this feel by the wayside with everything else in this vein back then. Which doesn't minimize the "holy shit" factor of Mariah's involvement, but it's not doing a lot for me.

"fell"

I really wish I could find a CMJ review on Google books or something.

thought this was a really good piece:

https://www.theringer.com/music/2020/9/29/21493233/mariah-carey-unified-theory-the-meaning-of-mariah

this was on beavis and butthead. probably the best promotion it received.

Ahh, that's why this song and video seemed so familiar. Not because I necessarily saw it on Beavis and Butthead at the time, but because of my more recent experiences of going down the rabbit hole of watching forgotten music videos that were played on Beavis and Butthead, because "90s Videos Played on Beavis and Butthead" is totally my aesthetic.

I feel like that article is trying to make me feel old!

She has transformed from mousy girl-next-door (do you even recognize this version of her from 1993?)

xp I actually couldn't find B&B watching Chick on Youtube but it's probably deep in there somewhere.

There's so little about this album online (only 4 pages of Google hits if you search chick "someone's ugly daughter" -mariah), you would almost think it's a hoax, if not for the apparent authenticity of some of those hits!

Present-day Mariah Carey is in the same category as Bruce Springsteen for me: interviews are often very interesting, zero interest in hearing the music.

xp Like, Sony must have baaaarely released it. I wonder how much radio play "Malibu" got (if any).

The top Amazon review is interesting:

C. Hughes
5.0 out of 5 stars Chick was fun.
Reviewed in the United States on June 17, 2015
Verified Purchase
I loved making this CD- glad (a couple of) people are enjoying it. There is a secret ingredient ;) CDD

Can't find it, but wasn't there a thing that went around tumblr (inspired by the rumored existence of this album, I think) about how people who think Kurt Cobain wrote Live Through This are overlooking that it was actually Mariah?

I didn't find anything in Lexis Nexis from before this weekend.

If there had been any knowledge of Mariah's involvement in the Chick album prior to this weekend, the price for it would've gone up a long time ago. This was new news.

Find it impressive she managed to sit on this secret for 25 years.

Found it! (in this old tweet I liked)

this is mine pic.twitter.com/T0WSyfVxTx

— Peyton Thomas (@peytonology) August 6, 2018

Doesn't mention Chick specifically, but I wondered why this news seemed familiar. Not sure what interview is being cited, though.

lol @ that final point

My bff has ordered The Meaning Of Mariah and is listening to it as an audiobook rn and says it is completely amazing, that Mariah has gone through some unspeakably insane shit and she retells this stories with an "...awkward! lol" kind of off-handedness that is devastating. He's gonna lend me the hard copy when it arrives and I can't wait

I really wish I could find a CMJ review on Google books or something.

― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:54 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Billboard reviewed the single.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei8SjAHXcAAMrDs?format=png&name=small

Nice find!! (and pretty on-point blurb)

Nice work, jaymc!

I didn't find it! Annie Zaleski posted it on Twitter.

Those cultural refs are perfectly aligned with what bands like Bunnygrunt were singing about that same year ('70s kitsch, cheesy TV, etc.)

Pitchfork talked to a few people about the recording/release of the Chick album: https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/the-story-behind-mariah-careys-secret-90s-alt-rock-album/