i'm saaaaaaatanand imma take your ass to church now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hKP5ljDar8
this girl is the most exciting young rapper around right now. her new mixtape reservation (out next tues) has been blowing.my.mind this week - both for the tracks where she goes hard, like above, but also for the softer stuff: "gypsy letters" is perfect bittersweet summer-crush reminiscence, "smiles n hearts" is emotionally fucking draining ~srs thoughts~. some of you may remember that i was super high on her stuff last year, and she's seriously stepped her game up in terms of tightening her songwriting, hooks and flow. (reservation is her first mixtape of all original beats, i think.)
those other tracks aren't online yet but this cosmic love jam from last year's altered ego mixtape is still one of the best things i've ever heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEObhpJ18oo
[and because labels suck but are unavoidable to an extent: native american heritage, queer, childhood cult survivor.]
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 13 July 2012 11:21 (eleven years ago) link
In addition to the glorious Fall For Your Type (Remix), you should listen to 'Things Money Can Buy', her take on Drake's 'Dreams Money Can Buy' because she's somehow able to take Drake-penned numbers and while keeping much of their meter and rhythm turns them into contemplative philosophical based love and/or inspirational jamz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOfaTK8Sln4
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
Must hear this new mixtape.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
Her Yonkers is also pretty intense and maybe more disturbed than Tyler's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DezcgCwwRnc
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
Her first two mixtapes, Altered Ego and No Greater Love got "best of" compiled into one called KING and it's harder to track down the earlier versions, but Altered Ego especially has some necessary jamz that don't appear elsewhere.
Her Voice EP came out earlier this year, and despite the name was really a mixtape.
Oddly, Reservation is being called a mixtape, but is all original beats and getting put out on vinyl so it's really more of a debut LP.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
couple more tracks from reservation are out there -
werkin' girls http://soundcloud.com/pinboardblog/angel-haze-werkin-girlshot like fire (yes, as in the aaliyah song) http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/hot-like-fire-by-angel-haze-free-mp3-20120713
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
i think the thing that i was trying to get at in my review was that her confessional-cathartic stuff has the potential to resonate HARD with what could be a very, very loyal fanbase
this story from last year is good on her background - http://www.thefader.com/2011/05/24/feature-angel-haze-has-got-talent-and-a-whole-lot-of-issues/
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't really enjoy the Voice EP as much as I liked Altered Ego, but the tracks posted here from the new one sound great. I think she's super talented and hope this gets some shine.
― Regional Tug (irrational), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
Her old spoken word poetry from her YouTube channel is great, also.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
i think this is the Azealia Banks i actually like
― cuteforce, Friday, 13 July 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
I don't really get the comparison.
― Regional Tug (irrational), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWdlJlek0cI
― am0n, the road to nowhere (cozen), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I don't really get the Banks/Haze comparison besides the fact that they're queer female rappers.
Azealia's always been more hipster-dance adjacent and spits rapid fire syllable-play over 90s house etc. Her flow is more important than its content for enjoyment of her music, imo. (Although the content is fun too, although more party + sex raps)
Angel, even though she's capable of going hard, raps overtop more boom bap stuff and more 'traditional' hip hop beats, and (often but not always) her lyrics *are* clearly not just meticulously 'composed' but also intended to be listened to as self-expression.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 13 July 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
what cult did she survive?
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 July 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
In the fader piece I linked
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Saturday, 14 July 2012 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
alex, i think you compared quite well: haze feels more real
― cuteforce, Sunday, 15 July 2012 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
RT @NativeRaeen: Listen to Angel Haze's RESERVATION in its entirety NOW. CLICK THE LINK. http://bit.ly/MznLoE
^^do it
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
haha spin STILL auto-redirects me away from every page i try to visit
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
okay "New York" is fucking fantastic
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
Love that it opens with a music box playing 'Over the Rainbow'. How Haze is that. So many feelings. lol.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
approve of this aaliyah sample
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 July 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah. The Aaliyah sample is great.
Two tracks in and it already feels more cohesive than the previous mixtapes. There's real effort to present Angel in all her facets but less... ramshackle?
Wicked Moon is great, despite it kind of being horrorcore + dubstep + one verse of quasi-toasting + the return of Nicole Wray.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
the second verse of "new york" is so amazing
i am - zero past a hundredspittin like a dragon that went missing from a dungeony'all a bunch of n*ggas gettin trippy offa nothingtie a rope a round your neck and lemme kick you off a bungeei'm SAAATAN, and imma take your ass to church nowrunning my fields and you n*ggas on your first downi love it when these bitches know i'm better than emcuz i don't hear not a word nor a letter from em
i'm a fire in the midst of the forest round bitchesand i rap elliptical orbits round bitchesanaconda, i sit with an open mouth bitchesand you bitches are lyrically like some fuckin down's syndromeno offence, no shade and allbut y'all bitches on knees like babies crawlyou can catch me out in covert, chilling like a stoop kidyeah hate, don't talk bitch, do it
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
Wicked Moon is great, despiteBECAUSE it kind of being horrorcore + dubstep + one verse of quasi-toasting + the return of Nicole Wray.
corrected!
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
ha I read that description and was "oh is that the fucking fantastic song I'm listening to right now?" and... it was!
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah. Fair enough. I think I meant that the description does not sound appetizing and then it is. Mostly the horrorcore + dubstep parts sound iffy when described but it's so damn good.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
Also can we talk about how the beat for ‘New York’ sounds like a sample from that Gil Scott-Heron record mixed with the handclap jump-rope ‘No Music’ break in the middle of Lil Mama’s ‘Lipstick’ and the trunk-rattlin’ thump from Grindin’?
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 16 July 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
my reference point was the Diwali riddim with the synths stripped out, basically Lumidee on steroids
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 16 July 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
Oh shit. You're right. My bad.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 16 July 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
I want to play "Jungle Fever" on endless loop
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 16 July 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
did she dropped a video with rick ross last year or am i mistaking her for someone else ?
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 July 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
that was Reema Major
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah.
next question : how is this an ep ?
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 July 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
The same way Dawn Richard's 'Armor On' is.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 16 July 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, July 16, 2012 10:18 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― rob, Monday, 16 July 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
have to admit the opening of Sufferings First made me think I was on spotify and one of their shitty guitar-strumming ads had started
― rob, Monday, 16 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
New york, hot like fire, werkin girls & realest are the songs i like. The rest is pretty meh imo.
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 July 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, July 16, 2012 9:58 AM Bookmark
It is a sample from the GSH record
― chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Monday, 16 July 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
Jungle Fever 9Remix) the first trk I'm feeling so far.
― pandemic, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:20 (eleven years ago) link
And 'Castle On A Cloud' as well.
― pandemic, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:26 (eleven years ago) link
"castle on a cloud" is intense
to download:
http://www.djbooth.net/index/albums/review/angel-haze-reservation/
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
WOW at "Werkin' Girls".
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
like a cheetah in a jungle but i'm muthafuckin fasterlike a pre-teen boy in a church with a pastor
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 20 July 2012 09:36 (eleven years ago) link
i be on that other shit, got that from my other bitchshe come from an island or a desert or some TUNDRA SHIT
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 20 July 2012 09:37 (eleven years ago) link
Tundra shit is great yeah
― Number None, Friday, 20 July 2012 09:39 (eleven years ago) link
Best thing I've heard in a while I'm thinking. Real "R.P.M." vibes.
― Tim F, Sunday, 22 July 2012 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
I think I only like a few tracks from this. Too much DEEP THOUGHTS Angel Haze, which I've never had much use for.
― The Reverend, Monday, 23 July 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
― MikoMcha, Monday, 23 July 2012 10:28 (eleven years ago) link
DEEP THOUGHTS angel haze is what makes her special though imo - my favourite trax are also the bangers but without the DEEP THOUGHTS trax she's just another fast-tongued swag rapper with an ear for a simile.
― lex pretend, Monday, 23 July 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I agree with that - or, well, I haven't really thought about like the status of Angel Haze as a rapper, but certainly on this the tunes like "Gypsy Letters" and "Castle on a Cloud" really set off my actual favourites like "Workin' Girls" and "New York".
I'm having a very Lex phase at the moment - playing this and Melanie Fiona a lot.
― Tim F, Monday, 23 July 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
"at the moment"
I'm rather behind but really looking forward to this, Altered Ego was great.
― Matt DC, Monday, 23 July 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, but the DEEP THOUGHTS tracks completely bore the fuck out of me. She doesn't at all succeed in making me give a fuck about her deep thoughts.
― The Reverend, Monday, 23 July 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
If Fall for Your Type and Things Money Can Buy didn't give you feelings I don't know that any of the DEEP THOUGHTS Haze on Reservation will change your mind.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 23 July 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
lex, there's now a one month period before you're allowed to complain about people not paying enough attention to angel haze
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16883-reservation-ep/
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 July 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, July 23, 2012 3:20 PM Bookmark
ftr, they did not
― The Reverend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
― Tim F, Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:46 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this song is awesome. this tape is pretty hit or miss to me, was surprised to see jordan gave it an 8 on pfork
this is why caring about pfork scores is a lose lose, though; i want to see rap not suffer from deflation, but when that's corrected, it makes it look like this album is as good as flockaveli. lose-lose
― google deeznuts (D-40), Thursday, 26 July 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
It is as good as flockaveli (which I also love)
Really excellent write-up jordan
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
Also b/c it's jordan it's not really a "pfork score" is it (as with a select few other writers on that site)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
It's maybe a bit unbalanced (possibly too much emo, especially towards the end) but I really like 'Wicked Moon', 'New York', 'Werkin' Girls', 'Gypsy Letters' and the second half of 'Jungle Fever'. Not sure she really varies her flow as much as she could on the slower tracks and some of them feel kinda rote.
Really surprised that I actually like 'Wicked Moon' given that there are a load of signifiers in there that I usually can't stand but they're actually arranged in a way that feels atmospheric rather than just schlocky, and both Angel and Nicole sound great on it.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
someone please tell me what song the melody at the end of 'jungle fever' is quoting/biting please?
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:10 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
get outta here
― google deeznuts (D-40), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
for once do you want to defend your position rather than acting like other people are talking like the earth is flat?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i don't agree w/ that and i'm not necessarily sure that it's a position that requires a defense
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
they're very different works that aren't directly comparable but they're as "accomplished" as each other and they'll probably both end up in my top 10 of the year
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
wait are you talking about the new flocka album?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
...no?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
i forgot that existed (and therefore to listen to it more than once) amidst all of my computer woes
oh
i'm confused by "they'll probably both end up in my top 10 of the year" then
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
as in, flockaveli did (i think?) and reservation probably will
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
ok i gotta listen to this then. i checker her out before but it sounded like atomsphere idk
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
atmosphere over drake beats
Also, y'know, the two reviews are by different writers with different opinions and not working to some empirical scale.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
the two writers are both posting in this thread! i was about to go into more detail but it prob violates something in my freelance contract so w/e its not important
― google deeznuts (D-40), Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
It probably wouldn't be so much of an issue if people didn't habitually assume that pitchfork was in fact a single mind carefully calibrating each of its numerical scores.
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
Great write up Jordan! Makes me appreciate this release a bit more. Certainly New York and Werkin Girls are awesome.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 27 July 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link
"It is as good as flockaveli"
lulz
― sisilafami, Friday, 27 July 2012 11:54 (eleven years ago) link
nobody? it's killing me.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
― google deeznuts (D-40), Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2012 15:38 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
flockaveli is like a 9 tho
― reductio ad burzum (flopson), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
You do realise you guys are coming across like those insufferable dicks who read a Rolling Stone review of, I dunno, The-Dream and go "this means you think it's as good as Dark Side Of The Moon oh the outrage!"
― Matt DC, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^
current rap criticism is largely THE WORST for assuming the existence of an objective and rigorously policed set of assumptions that determine whether an artist is any good
― lex pretend, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
eg "lol @ your opinion, but we don't need to justify or explain ours because EVERYONE KNOWS IT TO BE SO"
― Matt DC, Friday, July 27, 2012 10:44 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you really think that's the case when the two authors of both reviews are actually here, posting
― google deeznuts (D-40), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, July 27, 2012 10:46 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
current lex criticism is largely THE WORST for using the exact same 'u must be a rockist' argument always. i don't think anyone here is in favor of strict rigorous assumptions of artists' value.
― google deeznuts (D-40), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
at least i used an argument at all?
― lex pretend, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, July 27, 2012 8:24 AM Bookmark
the Stevie Wonder song of the same title
― The Reverend, Friday, 27 July 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
oh wait, nm
All im gonna say about angel haze v flockaveli is that at least waka never made me listen to a Kool AD verse
― mind your business lady (D-40), Friday, 27 July 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
oh duh, of course that's it, thx rev
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 27 July 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
"eg "lol @ your opinion, but we don't need to justify or explain ours because EVERYONE KNOWS IT TO BE SO"
― lex pretend"
well what you want me to say when you're comparing an half good mixtape from a promising rapper with a genre defining classic rap album dropped on a major label ?
― sisilafami, Saturday, 28 July 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ the idea that the major label bit matters
― lex pretend, Saturday, 28 July 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
ideally what i'd want you to say is WHY the mixtape is only "half good" rather than "genre defining classic" and WHY flockaveli is vice versa but i'm not hoping for that
Why should i explain things everyone knows ? I believe you're aware that a big part of today's rap music is based on the lex luger sound (and that flockavelli has some of the best representative songs of that sound).
& Why should i explain things already said before in this topic ? i think people here already explained what are the flaws of this mixtape (bad execution with deep songs & some bad productions)
― sisilafami, Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
i look at this way: flockaveli was waka cashing in all of his potential, reservation is not that 'moment' for angel haze. her flockaveli is in the distance.
― buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
is 'flockaveli' really the standard by which all other new rap albums are judged?
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 29 July 2012 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
no, deej just brought it up because they got the same scores on pitchfork
― buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
as i said at that point flockaveli and reservation are so different that direct comparisons are kind of pointless, so my argument isn't so much about pitting them against each other as against the primacy of "objective" metrics among rap listeners (over eg personal response), which sisilafami again exemplified there ("influence", "execution" et al). when i say that the two are on a par, it's pretty simple - these are two of the rap albums i've jammed most and return to again and again of their respective years.
i agree w/j0rdan about flockaveli representing an artist at his peak though, and it's certainly more "important", but "important" isn't the only metric to judge music by.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:39 (eleven years ago) link
...but we're talking about numerical scores bro
― mind your business lady (D-40), Sunday, 29 July 2012 08:50 (eleven years ago) link
obsessing over numerical scores is even worse?
― lex pretend, Sunday, 29 July 2012 09:05 (eleven years ago) link
the primacy of "objective" metrics among rap listeners (over eg personal response), which sisilafami again exemplified there ("influence", "execution" et al). when i say that the two are on a par, it's pretty simple - these are two of the rap albums i've jammed most and return to again and again of their respective years.
then instead of pointing out things explained before, i simply should've said that i find flockavelli much much better, that i'll listen to it 10 years from now and that i don't know if i will do the same with the AH mixtape in a few months.
― sisilafami, Sunday, 29 July 2012 09:58 (eleven years ago) link
i have a personal bias in favor of nonchalant rappers v. superhypertechnical wizards
― mind your business lady (D-40), Monday, 30 July 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l7n8b
Angel Haze Interview(40.00)The brilliant Angel Haze is in the studio with MistaJam! She tells us about loving Paul Epworth, Rudimental and Harry Styles!
― r|t|c, Thursday, 2 August 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
Rudimental!
― REV LION (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 August 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
actual amazing video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2UV5t_v9I
could do without them giving up and going into the studio at the end though lol
― lex pretend, Thursday, 2 August 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
― REV LION (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:02 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark
see yeah i forgot about the booster mentality round here that would blank out everything lol about that post to focus on the one feebly spinnable thing
u guys are super weird
― r|t|c, Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
i really wouldnt have expected mistajam to pick up on her but it does make sense actually
the uk is pretty much d-40's nightmare zone
― r|t|c, Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
xp Epworth is kind of harmless I guess, hating on him is like bitching about Coldplay at this point. dunno who the other guy is.
― REV LION (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
A member of One Direction. Specifically one of the inbred toothy ones and not the hot one.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
Played her first headline show in NYC, which streamed live and is archived.
She killed it, more or less. Way more stage presence than I anticipated - her youtubes were always captivating but in a bedroom art sort of way. She owns the stage, though. More convinced now than ever that this is her moment.
http://new.livestream.com/sobs/angelhaze
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 30 August 2012 05:43 (eleven years ago) link
also, solid interview - http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/08/angel_haze_interview.php
apparently she was studying neuroscience before taking a break to throw her hat in the ring musically.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 30 August 2012 05:54 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szj7efHG-00
amazing video
so annoyed i missed her london show due to being at the tory conference >:(
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
She's playing Koko on Saturday.
― Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
aaaaaghhhh another clash of course
*attempts to rearrange entire life*
(how was the gig on mon?)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
So pleased that this is a single. One of my absolute favourite tracks of 2012.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
I adore her.
― monotony, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
Also amazing
http://www.complex.com/music/2012/10/video-angel-haze-replies-to-youtube-comments-about-her-music
― Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha amazing
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 October 2012 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
<3 <3 <3
― Simon H., Thursday, 18 October 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/angel-haze-cleaning-out-my/s-AJcso
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
couldn't listen more than once. pretty much leaves you reeling
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
I had the same reaction. There's a kind of resolution at the end but up till that point…
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
this is harrowing and amazing
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
it is odd to hear the "Cleaning Out My Closet" beat and to be impressed by the narrative being told over it, though
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
man this is fucked up, and so fucking brave
― monotony, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:01 (eleven years ago) link
Oh man
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
new mixtape drops in 20 hours
http://www.livemixtapes.com/mixtapes/19362/angel-haze-classick.html
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
finally up on this. v. impressed.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
her Roman's Revenge is really good.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
it seems that many rap nerds have not picked up on this
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
mixtape
http://www.livemixtapes.com/download/19362/angel-haze-classick.html
― lex pretend, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah. That's a great tape.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
I've played "Werkin' Girls" 18 times in 10 minutes.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 October 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
Haha yeah I think I did the same thing when i first heard it.
― Tim F, Friday, 26 October 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
Angel Haze hearts Jake Bugg.
http://itraeens.tumblr.com/post/37043108713/lightning-bolt-jake-bugg-everyone-i-see-just
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 6 December 2012 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
i saw an interview where she said she really loves train and jason mraz and justin nozuka, wasn't sure if she was kidding
― teledyldonix, Friday, 7 December 2012 07:18 (eleven years ago) link
She's probably not kidding.
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 December 2012 09:39 (eleven years ago) link
She's really not kidding. She likes Coldplay, John Mayer and Train and doesn't own any hip hop.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 7 December 2012 10:23 (eleven years ago) link
I love that she only heard her first Biggie song this year
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 7 December 2012 10:47 (eleven years ago) link
Hey I like Jake Bugg!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 December 2012 12:25 (eleven years ago) link
I like that Jake Bugg song too but I've been too scared to admit it on ILX. Angel Haze has given me courage.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 7 December 2012 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
i'm conducting an experiment to see how long i can go without actually hearing jake bugg
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 7 December 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
His band is tight! /rockist
Seriously though
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 December 2012 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
angel haze reminds me of when all rapping sounded awesome
― j., Friday, 7 December 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
Beefing with Azealia Banks on Twitter right now. This is good:
Young Gypsy @AngelHaze
Begging me to come hang out with you and your fat friends? You still wear rocawear. U are null and Tf void, RATpunzel. @AZEALIABANKS
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
YUNG RAPUNXEL @AZEALIABANKS
Angel Haze has a crush on me. Thats it. Case Closed.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
Wait, I started my album a week ago and you’re still sleeping on studio floors @AZEALIABANKS. Case closed. You’re done. We don’t want u
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
And you don’t want this fade off twitter. So knock it offfffff. Before you get shanked through your iridescent bubble jacket. @AZEALIABANKS
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
the best AZB can do is "that playground-level "you fancy me!!!"? lol
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeFirst off, we all know nobody wants that sewage sweat pussy of yours. @AZEALIABANKS. Second off weren’t you the same bitch in my texts
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeBegging me to come hang out with you and your fat friends? You still wear rocawear. U are null and Tf void, RATpunzel. @AZEALIABANKS
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeYou don’t want this fucking work. Bitch get those fuck ass paraplegic dicks out your twat and step the fuck on. @AZEALIABANKS
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeYour chemo ass bangs. Bitch, stop.
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeAnd you don’t want this fade off twitter. So knock it offfffff. Before you get shanked through your iridescent bubble jacket. @AZEALIABANKS
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
"we all know nobody wants that sewage sweat pussy of yours" <---- this is my favorite person of 2013 so far
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
she needs to string those together over a beat
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
#SEWAGEPUNK
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
I'm a ruin you cunt
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
This is green envy.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
Haze has deleted her tweets but I love this pay-off:
Ill send it to you. RT @AZEALIABANKS if you have a screenshot of angel haze's "threat" send to missbanks4e✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ #YOUGOINGTOJAILNOW !
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
she hasn't deleted it (i assume it's the bubble jacket one that AZB is being all "i'll tell on you!" about)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeYou don’t want this fucking work. Bitch get those fuck ass paraplegic dicks out your twat and step the fuck on.
Now she's just quoting the new Shannell mixtape
― Evan R, Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
threatening to send her to jail?? #whatpartofthegameisthat
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
Why the hell is this even happening?
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
Ladies, you can't fight in here. This is the hip hop room.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
azealia said people not from new york shouldn't try to claim it
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
Well, that was a dumb thing to say, but somebody overreacted.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
Was AB wrong in her statement though? Either way, this is like 3rd grader fight at recess level beef. Haze looks terrible in this, and I like her.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
Haze looks terrible in this, and I like her.
^ this
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
damn, Cousin Slappy banging the gavel
― dead cera (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
Lamest feud since the great Miguel/Lloyd haircut beef of 2010
― Evan R, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
Though the feud did serve the purpose of underscoring why I don't care for the music of either rapper, so I guess that's helpful
― Evan R, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
I don't bang...I slap.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
I guess twitter beef with Azaelia Banks is some kind of rite of passage these days.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
AH: "Charcoal skinned bitch"....okay, we are done here. AH is suspended indefinitely. Call her parents.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
OH FUCK
https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/on-the-edge-angel-haze
― prolego, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
this has to have been planned right
@AngelHaze: @AzealiaBanks what 20 minutes in the studio gets u. https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/on-the-edge-angel-haze … … Anyway back to working on my debut album. ttyl
apparently not. brutal.
― prolego, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
I took my display name down due to the charcoal skin crack but that track made me put it back up
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
ftr
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeI'm sorry for the skin tone tweet, though. I don't have any personal disdain towards dark skinned people. Seriously.
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeI apologized for a general tweet that was perceived as racist or as though I felt it was okay to perpetuate self hate. Chill. @JAILXBAIT
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeYou want promo, for yet another weak and very monotone song...there you go. RT @AZEALIABANKS @AngelHaze make sure you listen to "BBD"
Young Gypsy @AngelHaze@AzealiaBanks here's what 20 minutes in the studio gets you. https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/on-the-edge-angel-haze … Anyway back to working on my debut album. ttyl *kisses*
Young Gypsy @AngelHazeLol. Any response that is not in the form of a song is null and void.
Young Gypsy @AngelHaze20 minutes. It took me nothing but a hairflip…a real one.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
damn she is ice cold
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
bitch i'm from the 313with a fucking meat cleaver, like who want beef?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
This sucks.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
Dan have you heard Reservation yet?
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
I have; I thought it was about 40% "this is decent" and 60% "HOLY FUCK"
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
wait i thought lex was supposed to disapprove of this kind of stuff
― 乒乓, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
uh waht
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
no fucking idea what you thought or why you thought it
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
stupid hoe
― 乒乓, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
i'm pretty sick of the narrative that sets EVERY WOMAN IN HIP-HOP against each other― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:37 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:37 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
whatevs, man, peace god
― 乒乓, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
...
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
BORED, you can claim whatever zing you want off this, hurry along and start stockpiling my tweets for the next time i say something that doesn't exactly match up to something i said a year ago. BORED
anyway this diss track is obv a tossed-off 20 mins thing and yet it is better than azealia banks' own new proper track
when will AZB make a second decent song though?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
the better question is "when will she make her first"
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
i've come to accept "liquroice" as a minor classic
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
putting your text conversation with someone on your track art is mad corny and super unethical. fuck an angel haze. banks is way better anyways
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
It's ok, people. We're allowed to like them both.
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, really. chill.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
oh i'm not hating on AZB, but she obviously lost this round and all her post-212 material is…substandard, though i accept she may be saving the good stuff up for the album, so jury's still out.
angel haze is proven incredible and has been for over a year.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just saying fuck her for doing that in specific, not in general
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:50 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's cool we get bored of your opinions, too
― flopson, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
ftr I am totally hating on AZB and will continue to for as long as ppl keep mentioning her around me
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
beefin with azealia banks is a good look imo
― flopson, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
anyone know how/why this even started
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
Banks' 2012 output > Haze's, although I don't think she put out a song as good as "Werkin' Girls"
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
I still need to hear this dis track tho, but I won't be able to for a few hours.
would pay Dan money to pick a fight with Angel Haze.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
what was banks' 2012 output? "1991", "van vogue" and that mess of a fantasea mixtape?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
I like both the 1991 EP and Fantasea, which I don't hear what's messy about.
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
my main gripe with banks is that she hasn't really settled on a "sound" and i don't get the sense that she's experimenting as much as she just doesn't have a good grasp on what she wants her music to be. she can still make good tracks regardless but over the course of a full length it feels a bit amateur to me.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
I played Reservation three times on New Year's Day morning.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
they both rap a lil try-hard for me i prefer some insouciance
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
i mess with 'werkin girls' tho
I mean it's got filler like any tape but I think she recorded the sweetest, sexiest love (and sex) songs of the year after Miguel
i'm not completely sold on either of them beyond a track or two each but the fact that not a single azb song has stuck in over a year now makes her a pretty ideal target.
― flopson, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
xp Are you thinking of "Gypsy Letters"? Love that so much.
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
yes!
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
but she has so many twitter followers! xxp
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
"gypsy letters" is so gorgeous
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
though haze's "fall for your type" from the year before really does set a high bar for her love songs
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:08 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
She seems to have stuck pretty consistently with the whole neo-hip-house thing.
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
I always forget that I like "1991".
It sounds great in jackin sets.
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
i think "1991" was the last song i put on my EOY trax list, it's decent
what most disappointed me about banks last year was how rarely she seemed to match the beats she choose, her vox fell flat so much of the time
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
and that's true of her new one too
One thing I'll say frustrates me about her is, "212" aside, she seems better at coming up with memorable pieces of songs than memorable songs. Like I'll constantly get bits of her tracks stuck in my head, but have no idea which song they're from.
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
totes
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
even "212" is basically three or four cobbled bits.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
that's sort of why fantasea sounded good to be but also why it made me doubt that she has a solid proper LP in her right now
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
wrote about this at length on tumblr, but basically, azealia is great when she is great but has poor quality control.
and yeah, angel's colorist bullshit was out of line, but i'm actually impressed with how quickly she apologized, even in the context of a beef? it's rare that quasi-famous folks recognize when they've crossed a line and accept responsibility immediately instead of after doubling down and getting gross for a while.
and yeah, love reservation, tho love the best AZ tracks more than all but Werkin' Girls, Hot Like Fire, Gypsy Letters and New York. But still...1991 and Esta Noche aside, Banks is... inconsistent at best.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
really all this beef did was remind me that even though i actually love 5 or 6 azealia songs, i am so ~tired~ of her simultaneously getting to be a big gay icon among (in my experience) mostly gay men, esp. white gay men who are really into trying on and playing with the language and culture of the ballroom/vogue scene while also (them and her) being constantly and intensely transphobic and occasionally homophobic.
like. Angel was over the line. But Azealia trying to knock down another queer woman by saying she has an adam's apple and that she needed to "fix your tuck" because "your dick is showing" or whatever? awful awful awful on so many levels.
she peppered a couple of Fantasea tracks with similar ridiculousness & I think she called Jim Jones a faggot during their twitter beef?
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
all the ab tracks ppl hold up as highs (post 212) have been really forgettable to me
― flopson, Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
^^ yep. But I can't say she's disappointed me because as much as I loved "212" she already sounded like a one-hit wonder.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
like. i dunno. neither of them came out of those particular statements looking great (although, angel's other insults were pretty amusing), but one of them recognized that she said something fucked up and apologized for it, and the other has and continues to insult people by implying that they're trans, while making music heavily indebted to trans folk.
i know it has nothing to do with the quality of the music (and that this is actually about azealia) but it's so tacky.
and way grosser than text message convo cover art, no matter how unethical it is.
anyway, back to listening to reservation.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like with Haze it's more like I really like a few of her songs a lot and the rest just bores me.
xps, yeah both of them have said some total bullshit today and neither of them have come out of this looking good, but big ups to Haze at least for copping to it and apologizing for the dumb shit she said.
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that is v shitty good posts alex
― flopson, Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
haha oops https://twitter.com/AZEALIABANKS/status/286971736405204993
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― flopson, Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
They're chucking metadata at each other now. I'm out!
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
wow....not at all surprised though.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
lol! That was kinda awesome.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
damn, mcafee'd
― Sri Harold Klemp (crüt), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:18 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
whatd it say?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
that the track she said she recorded in 20 minutes was actually recorded in 2012
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
does angel's response that the track was produced then but not the vocals make sense?
or is that nonsense?
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
this is getting stupid
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
its like ilx beef
[hemiola joke]
unless she recorded it directly over the beat in the same file, but that's generally not how recording works xxxp
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
what's beef? beef is when you talk about hemiola and chief keef
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
too many syllables, you're rapping like angel haze
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 4 January 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
you make her sound like talib kweli
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
don't insult volcanic lahar's rapping skills
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, January 4, 2013 12:02 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bingo. She is the female kweli, more or less.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Friday, 4 January 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
i know, redundant huh
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
i thought his homegirl greezy had that spot on lock
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
yeah Grae is unquestionably the female Kweli (although she is fun on twitter)
― one bish two bish red bish blue bish (fadanuf4erybody), Friday, 4 January 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
so is Kwe!
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
so why did this whole thing start today
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
because AB thinks she has to defeat every other female rapper mini-boss before she can face Bower Minaj for supremacy
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
er Bowser shit
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 03:01 (eleven years ago) link
AB said some shit about people not originally from NY claiming New York, AH took it as a sneak diss
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
that dis track is great. seems too timely to have been recorded much earlier? i don't pay any attention to banks. does she do dis tracks etc. or just twitter beef?
― s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 03:27 (eleven years ago) link
AB specializes at making great instrumentals slightly worse
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
cool beef between two really important artists
― fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Friday, 4 January 2013 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
cool post from really important ilxor
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
dag
― fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Friday, 4 January 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
i always think this is a pornstar
― everythingsgross, Friday, 4 January 2013 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
angel haze or j0rdan sargent?
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
Whomever has more beef.
― Ya Bish Bosch (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 4 January 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ koopa minaj
― Sri Harold Klemp (crüt), Friday, 4 January 2013 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
Someone mentioned AH sounds like an angry Childish Gambino on her diss track. The second-hand embarrassment for this chick is beyond palpable rn.
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 4 January 2013 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
things like that text message have usually been inbounds in rap beefs imo
reminds me of that Company Flow "Linda Tripp" song where they recorded the Anticon guy on the phone
also -- lol @ koopa minaj
― dmr, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/azealia-banks/no-problems-prod-by
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
checkmate, imo
wish I could download and check the metadata
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
how is yet another track that's better without her on top of it "checkmate"?
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
the beat is from 2011. Very suspicious
― Number None, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
I declare this a victory for ... Rap Music
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
I'm giving round 1 to Haze.
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
Both lose imo.
― Ya Bish Bosch (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
"Seriously, if you were not born and raised in NY.... DON'T CLAIM NY. YOU ARE NOT A NEW YORKER"
i think AB lost it right there
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
"where is THE NEW YORKER HOTEL. where are the headquarters of THE NEW YORKER MAGAZINE? oh that's right, the TWO ONE TWO"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
i might have made that one up
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
"Seriously, if you do not make your living slinging crack rocks and shooting people in the face… DON'T CLAIM THE DRUG TRADE. YOU ARE NOT A REAL GANGSTA."
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
Rappers claiming things - where will it end?
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
wait you guys are really offended by azealia's original claim? what's objectionable about it?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
that new york is a city of immigrants? of people who moved there?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, every place has a right to a "locals only" attitude, even (and especially) NYC.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
xp Well for one thing it misses the point of the track. Haze has been open about coming from Michigan and writing it when she'd only just moved to New York so it's knowingly outrageous - you arrive somewhere and you have so much self-belief that you feel like you own it. She's not trying to trick anybody.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
its concern with policing boundaries?
xposts
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
i believe that's what anti-immigrant rhetoric worldwide stems from, yes
xp exactly
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 January 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
exactly to DL re: the track's chutzpah
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 January 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
i mean c'mon that is some backwards type of attidude
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
like, it's specifically designed to rile born'n'raised new yorkers and AZB fell for it
TUDE
haha yeah
i think seeing that as "anti-immigrant" is reading a bit too much into it
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
I'm probably a little more meek than Angel Haze, but I wouldn't move to someplace and act like I own the shit, and I especially wouldn't start a beef with someone who's been there her whole life and has a certain amount of pride about that fact.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
i mean that is new york's one and only sure-fire guarantee to everyone, that if you live there and you have affection for it, you are a new yorker, no questions asked
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
and the fact that azealia appears not to know that kind of makes me question her new york credentials, tbh!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
xp I don't judge MCs according to what I'd do in their situation.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
this was re: any type of "locals only" or "locals first" attitude, in any form. i mean it really really is, i think that attitude is poisonous
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
NYC welcomes all, but there's definitely a certain amount of pride among people who were born there. I don't begrudge them that.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
i was under the impression that people born and raised in new york were forcefully territorial about the idea of "being a new yorker"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2008/7/gony1.jpg
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
finally, someone to rep for the 212
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
If I'd been born in Bed-Stuy and was constantly bombarded by hipster douchebags who just moved in from Oklahoma acting like they know what's what, I'd get a little protective of my identity and of those like me.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
#GONY
― jazbay crostata (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.weird-strange-facts.com/images/250px-Statue_of_Liberty_7.jpg
Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free/Seriously if you were not born and raised in NY/DON'T CLAIM NY YOU ARE NOT A NEW YORKER
― kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
I get the impression that ppl are territorial about being from specific boroughs but not "New York" as a gestalt entity
I have no idea if that impression makes any sense, btw
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
it's cool when people in new york are not from new york because then they are not huge downers about what the city is like
― kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
NO ONE gets territorial about manhattan - in my experience? it's the overdog! and then here's this whole song named after it, 212, i mean you need a landline for that, and newer landlines don't even get 212 numbers anymore do they?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
AB is really not a very good lyricist.
― s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
truth about manhattan tho. anyone who could have possibly gotten territorial about it was priced out decades ago. BK otoh.
― s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah brooklyn is really a cheap place to live fer shur
― jazbay crostata (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
please state your borough-specific squabbles in the form of a beef tweets.
― fauxmarc, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/shut-the-fuck-up-angel-haze
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
wait, let me seriously backpedal here. Harlem is in manhattan, and people rep harlem of course. Can't think of anyone really doing the same for e.g. washington heights or inwood, but in principle there's no reason they couldn't. it's a really interesting immigrant mix in those parts though, so "born and raised" doesn't necessarily fly.
― s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
Man, 24 hours ago I really liked Angel Haze. Now, notsomuch.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
hoo boy
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
can't really accuse her of beating around the bush, huh
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
can't really accuse of her ignoring bush, eh
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
i think in most professions and even genres of music being a native new yorker is not that big a deal (like, nobody really gives a fuck where all the "Brooklyn" indie rock bands are originally from). but it's totally different with rappers, there's all the "birthplace of hip hop" stuff and a history of guys accusing each other of being from upstate/Jersey/etc. it's like that in EVERY major city, if two rappers are beefing one will accuse the other from being from the burbs or of not spending any time in the neighborhood they claim.
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
"if i'm feeling froggy / i jump 'em like they geronimo." "got that fire flow / my tonsils prolly fuckin crispy."
― s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
but there was no beef before that post? isn't that what sparked it off?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
Best I could tell, AZB was just making a tweet about real vs. fake NYers. Angel Haze, chronic narcissist, assumes it was about her and comes back with some really awful things and two dud tracks. No beef before yesterday afaik.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
why is it that when male MCs go after each other and release dis tracks, they are evaluated on the strength of their attacks, but when female MCs go after each other and release dis tracks, it's a disappointing shame?
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
or "dumb"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
"chronic narcissist" ?????
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
tbf, I'm not a big proponent of male mc dis tracks either.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
i think a lot of the weariness here is that pretty much any female rapper with any kind of national buzz in the last couple years has beefed with at least one or two others (or several, in AB's case)
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
brainfart...i meant to say "classic narcissist".
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
well it is true that AB is the female 50 Cent
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
both these chicks need editors
are there disses on this diss track?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
dan otm repeatedly
― jazbay crostata (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Lol, so fraudulent. You know what happened between us months ago and if you want to pretend its all just twitter beef, fine.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
They both need to squash this though before it becomes all anyone wants to ask them about.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
gonna refer to online arguing as "bitter tweef" from now on
― jazbay crostata (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, all the important topics usually discussed in their interviews will be lost (xp)
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
biter tweef
― pandemic, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
what happened months ago apparently involves a table at the spotted pig, so awesome.
― s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
xp The experiences AH talked about in Cleaning Out My Closet are kind of important imo
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the spotted pig ref cracked me up
― jazbay crostata (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
if that "fake new yorkers" tweet was some kind of general diktat instead of aimed at AH it's even worse!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
i have never been to the spotted pig but my wife went once. she actually sat right next to jay-z and started talking to him without knowing who he was! if somebody had filmed it and if, er, youtube had existed then she'd have been a viral sensation
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
bitter queef
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
there it is
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
We were dancing around it for an hour.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
eww, that's what i stepped in?
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
Dancing around the spotted pig like heathens.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
Le1f ☥ Verified @LE1FNYlemme just say if any of you faggot rappers come for me like girls come for azealia, there will be no diss tracks, just knuckles n shit
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
New York girl, ooh, ooh, ooh
Runnin' pretty, New York City girlTwenty-five, thirty-fiveHello, baby, New York City girl
You grew up ridin' the subways, running with peopleUp in Harlem, down on BroadwayYou're no tramp, but you're no lady, talkin' that street talkYou're the heart and soul of New York City
And love, love is just a passing wordIt's the thought that you had in a taxi cab that got left on the curbWhen he dropped you off at East 83rd
Oh, oh, oh [Oh, oh, oh]You're a native New YorkerYou should know the score by now [You should know by now]You're a native New Yorker
Music plays, everyone's dancin' closer and closerMakin' friends and findin' loversThere you are lost in the shadows, searchin' for someone [Searchin' forSomeone]To set you free from New York City
And, whoa, where did all those yesterdays goWhen you still believed love could really be like a Broadway showYou are the star, win the applause
Oh, oh, oh [Oh, oh, oh]You're a native New YorkerNo one opens the doorFor a native New Yorker
[Runnin' pretty, New York City girl]Ooh... ooh... ooh...Native, native, native New Yorker
Where did all those yesterdays goWhen you still believed love could really be like a Broadway showYou are the star
You're a native New YorkerYou should know the score by nowYou're a native New Yorker
You should know the score, you should know the score by nowYou're a native New Yorker, oh, oh, oh[Native, native, native new Yorker]You're a native New Yorker
Whoa, oh, ho, ho, you're a native New YorkerYou should know the score[Native, native, native new Yorker]You're a native New Yorker
What you waitin' for, no one opens the door[You're a native New Yorker]For a native, for a native New Yorker
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
ilxors getting upset abt general regional pride in rap beef b/c its anti-immigrant is the funniest critique of a rapper since whoever that blogger was that said dipset anthem is 'fascist'
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
lol word
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
who got upset about that?
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 January 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
well, Tracer did kind of
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
the only person who mentioned immigrants directly was me, in response to something johnny said, not azealia
this is the exact thing deej complains about people doing to him every day
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 January 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
before this new angel diss track i had definite suspicions about it being a PR stunt but now i'm like "okaaaayyyyy it's really personal *backs away slowly*"
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 January 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
who says it can't be both!
― mahatma lambert (crüt), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
rap is all about merging the personal with the public(ity stunt)
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah that's like Beef 101. Interest generated is proportional to how real it seems.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 4 January 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
into fisting i guess
― President Keyes, Friday, 4 January 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
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― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 4 January 2013 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
putting it on the spectrum of anti-immigrant rhetoric is LOL thats all
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 4 January 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
people in america generally only care where you were born, not ancestry. if the latter mattered angel haze could pull rank as a native american!
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
DEFEND 212
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 5 January 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
would buy that shirt. alternately "keep central park east weird".
― s.clover, Saturday, 5 January 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
has no one here ever claimed their city or commented on fakers claiming their city?
personally i liked:i mean c'mon that is some backwards type of attidude
in hip-hop, really?
― fauxmarc, Saturday, 5 January 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
you mean like when dudes from Houston claim NYC?
http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/jul07/images/DJPremier1_l.jpg
― President Keyes, Saturday, 5 January 2013 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
jesus this whole thing is now making me want to delete my month-old Twitter account
maybe I should just stop following Rich FourFour
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Saturday, 5 January 2013 04:50 (eleven years ago) link
kick in the door, waivin' the @richjuz
― some dude, Saturday, 5 January 2013 04:57 (eleven years ago) link
"but perez hilton IS a messy faggot"
-- everyone
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 January 2013 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
YUNG RAPUNXEL @AZEALIABANKSA faggot is not a homosexual male. A faggot is any male who acts like a female. There's a BIG difference.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 5 January 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
oh jesus fucking christ
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Saturday, 5 January 2013 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
thanks, eminem
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 January 2013 05:21 (eleven years ago) link
fourfrogbs
― fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 January 2013 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
honestly I'm much less offended by her original statement than her clarification
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Saturday, 5 January 2013 05:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah why some people were so eager to give her the benefit of the doubt i'm not sure.
alex in montreal otm on twitter
― fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 January 2013 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
smh these two clowns
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 5 January 2013 06:18 (eleven years ago) link
oh azealia :////////
― lex pretend, Saturday, 5 January 2013 08:43 (eleven years ago) link
i was obviously putting johnny's comment on that spectrum, not azealia's
― lex pretend, Saturday, 5 January 2013 08:44 (eleven years ago) link
Rich's reactions the most surprising.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 January 2013 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
wtf did azealia actually say that
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 5 January 2013 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
Not that either comment was anti-immigrant, but how did mine come across that way when her's did not?
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 5 January 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
not surprised by his reaction, actually.
― s.clover, Saturday, 5 January 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
kdhjoedhewf
― glumdalclitch, Sunday, 6 January 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
This backfired on both of them. Terrible stuff.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 13:14 (eleven years ago) link
love the judgments from on high about this episode, when did male rappers beefing ever get the "tut-tut, terrible stuff" line
in a month's time no one will remember
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
Male rappers rarely look good beefing either - unless they can tie it into some sort of big mythology about themselves that they can build on. That certainly didn't happen here.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean the Cassidy/Meek Mill thing is stupid as fuck too, it's pretty rare that beef isn't especially these days
― some dude, Monday, 7 January 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
i just remembered the common/drake beef over serena williams
i take my post back
though really how can anything actually "backfire" on an artist these days, that's evidence right there - everything carried on as normal for both despite their silliness, as it will here
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah people will pretend every beef has Ja Rule levels of potential career ruination and it's just delusional, the stakes are never that high.
― some dude, Monday, 7 January 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
my fav were the rumors floating around this weekend that interscope had dropped azeala for calling perez a faggot. those labels and their strict morals!
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
and things move too fast. something else will happen this week. pretty sure angel at least has significantly raised her profile.
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure angel at least has significantly raised her profile.
― lex pretend, Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol exactly
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
Beef really hasn't been the same since 50 Cent failed to take out Rick Ross. That was the Titanic of Rap Beefs.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
well... the thing w/ that one is that people at the time saw 50 as being greater than ross even from an objective career perspective but he was really just on his execrable slide down a creative and moral bottomless pit, whereas ross' career was still on the upswing. granted that beef sort of amplified those trends but it was also 50 fucking with someone people cared more about even if a lot of others didn't realize it at the time. could say the same thing in less dramatic terms about his "beef" with kanye, too.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 14:18 (eleven years ago) link
was 50 vs kanye the point where people started automatically thinking "publicity stunt" about beef? like, that was so contrived
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
tho yknow cf http://favstar.fm/users/roxanne_shante/status/156178152270475264
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
Of course. But the remarkable thing about the beef with Ross was that it was all about authenticity and myth/persona. 50 tore down Ross' narrative about himself and it still didn't help.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
all of 50's beefs circa The Massacre 2 years earlier were widely dismissed as publicity stunts
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, 50 Cent actually suffered from his misguided crusades.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
nah 50's downfall was proof that people care more about hits than drama, he stopped having hits even when he kept bringing the drama
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
word
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Rap beef is essentially a race to the bottom. You sling as much shit as you can and hope your opponent runs out of ammo/dignity before you do. Either way you generally come out of it covered in shit. Without an album to offset the attention all these petty spats could really come back to haunt Banks.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
xpost. True. But 50 Cent had built big parts of his persona around the idea of him being the guy who destroyed other people's careers. When he failed so miserably with Ross and his album underperformed, he found himself with no leg to stand on.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
that's a pretty rosy reading of 50's career at that point, longneck
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
things just ain't the same for gangstas
― What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
they wear a lotta spandex
xpost. Ha, the 2007 album had some minor joints at least. And it did go platinum in the end, right? His era was definitely coming to an end at that point, but the double flop (beef + album) of 09 still felt brutal. At that point there was no coming back.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Before I Self Destruct and Deeper Than Rap sold almost the exact same amount, j0rdan's right that it was more about perception and their trajectories at that time
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
anyway it's hilarious that major media outlets are reporting on these 2 barely famous chicks as if it were a beef between artists as big as 50 cent and rick ross
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
What careers did 50 destroy?!
If AZB is harmed at all it'll be because she KEEPS ON beefing with amyone and everyone, not this specific spat (though using "faggot" when your fanbase is so heavily gay is uhhhh extra dumb). But it'll be forgotten in a month as all these things are
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
lex have you heard of this person ja rule
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
Which is exactly how they both benefit from it! It's reported as if it's a Big Deal. Helps that it all happened in the dead 1st week of Jan
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
it is hilarious that this article exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_feuds_of_50_Cent
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
Ja Rule. Young Buck. Plus he had a hand in breaking up Dipset by beefing with Cam while becoming friendly with Jim Jones in public. He did also manage to make life difficult for The Game, even though Game kinda beat the odds on that one.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
Ja Rule's demise was more down to the fact that he allowed the accusations of "softness" to get to him an alienated his fanbase by releasing Blood In My Eye.
He did more damage with that than 50 could ever have dreamed of.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
you realize the lead single of Blood In My was a 50 diss right
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
Well that's how Ross "won" - he didn't allow himself to be substantially influenced by the competing narratives about who (or what) he was. He did toughen up a bit, developing his signature grunt in a more aggressive direction, but in the end he only benefited from it.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
That isn't the point. There were no club/radio friendly hits on the album, which is what had been his bread and butter. I think pretty much every song on the album was a diss and frankly nobody wants to hear that shit.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
well i think in the end the funniest thing about the ross/50 beef is that it really freed ross of his existential shackles re having been a cop, thus allowing him to embrace the even more absurd persona that has fueled his renaissance.
there wasn't much room left for ja artistically anyway but maybe he should've gone all in with a best of both worlds album w/ ashanti or something
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yes and yes!
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
have you ever seen them both in the same room? think about it
― What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
where's the nabisco post where he declared Ja Rule to be his nemesis
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
are you saying nabisco's beef destroyed ja?
― s.clover, Monday, 7 January 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
50 pretty much just kicked Ja on the way down
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Monday, 7 January 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
i think that's kind of an overstatement. Ja had two back-to-back #1 singles like 6 months before "Wanksta" hit.
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
It wasn't just Ja who sort of went nowhere very rapidly in that time period. Ashanti, etc. too. He was just especially high profile. That whole sound just sort of fell apart.
Already by The Last Tempation in 2002, Ja Rule wasn't producing the same sort of hits he had with Pain is Love.
Also remember Murder Inc. fell apart, came under federal investigation, got dropped from Def Jam, etc. Around that time 7 Aurelius, who produced some of the highest profile singles had a big feud with Irv Gotti too, claimed that Gotti had taken credit for lots of his tracks (probably true), and soforth.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
chink santana is the unsung murda inc hero tho
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
fucking hell she was electrifying @ the scala tonight. so much stage presence and aggression. entire room completely silent and holding their breath when she did "cleaning out my closet". she's the most important young rapper in the game bar none right now
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 00:07 (ten years ago) link
i stack their bodies on top of each other like i'm hitler
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 00:47 (ten years ago) link
what's going on with her album? is it coming out this year?
― monotony, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:04 (ten years ago) link
yeah that's the plan, she's still writing (and apparently every time she comes to london she makes time to go into the studio with UK producers). no confirmed date at all but more likely in the autumn
"cleaning out my closet" last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vqjjlLIw4
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 08:26 (ten years ago) link
she's the most important young rapper in the game bar none right now
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u_U
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
well that was predictable
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link
as was the lack of justification
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/there-are-people-in-world-who-are-concerned-about,32162/
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:43 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J43YArHDUbI
― monotony, Monday, 3 June 2013 01:49 (ten years ago) link
it's sort of like all her favourite tics and lines wrapped up in a crossover package right? it's ok, she does a nice line in triumphalism which helps
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 3 June 2013 08:32 (ten years ago) link
http://www.spin.com/articles/angel-haze-a-tribe-called-red-unfinished-song-sparse/
― j., Friday, 16 August 2013 00:46 (ten years ago) link
Tribe Called Red are fucking awesome
― blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 August 2013 02:59 (ten years ago) link
what? What? WHAT YES.
A Tribe Called Red are amazing amazing wonderful perfect and the fact that they are working with Angel is the best unexpected thing ever.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 07:32 (ten years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/yxxngclan/echelon
― monotony, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 23:40 (ten years ago) link
better link: https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/echelon-its-my-way/s-1h9Jk
― monotony, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 05:31 (ten years ago) link
amazing song
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 12:28 (ten years ago) link
yeah, it really jams
― monotony, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link
I was hoping "Echelon" was going to have something to do with the NSA.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 26 September 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link
These bitches is awful, and me I spit that gospelThat... LYRICAL, BIBLICAL, HOLY GHOST, PENTECOSTAL
^^ Favourite bit. First heard it on 1Xtra, it's on the A list. Pleasantly surprised that she has become so well known in the UK
― Mercer Finn, Friday, 4 October 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
I love it.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2013 22:45 (ten years ago) link
I read that the album is coming out in January now.
― monotony, Friday, 4 October 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link
not terribly into this song. production is great but lyrically i know she can just do so much more.
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 01:34 (ten years ago) link
these 30gold freestyles are amazing
https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:09 (ten years ago) link
angel might have just done the impossible and salvaged 'same love' for me?
https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/same-love-angel-haze
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link
haven't heard these yet but fav so far is prob her "backseat freestyle"
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:39 (ten years ago) link
*this
i mean. it's contemplative spoken word angel, not battle rap angel, but still
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:40 (ten years ago) link
I love everything she says and does.
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 3m
And if I am, what does it matter? RT @JimDeuce: I'm convinced @AngelHaze is a lesbian.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
according to angel's twitter half of that last verse is an andrea gibson poem - http://genderqueer.tumblr.com/post/22343870122/andrew-by-andrea-gibson
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
ok yeah whoa at her "same love". i love how so many of her remixes are...corrections to the original (see also her "bitch bad")
good article here: i agree, she's the most important rapper of 2013
http://flavorwire.com/421558/angel-hazes-30-gold-freestyles-prove-shes-the-most-important-rapper-of-2013
(i wasn't aware of her take on miley cyrus, even more amazing)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
have these yet been compiled?
― there's no camera to capture that yelping moment! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link
they're on her soundcloud, i doubt they'll be compiled beyond that
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link
nice wrecking ball cover https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/wrecking-ball-angel-haze
― monotony, Thursday, 24 October 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link
http://thehairpin.com/2013/11/your-favorite-rapper-probably-sucks-interview-with-angel-haze
so much truth spoken
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 November 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
completely in awe of this kid tbh
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 9 November 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
just release the greatest album of all time already
― j., Saturday, 9 November 2013 03:10 (ten years ago) link
http://cdn2.pitchfork.com/news/53348/200dfa16.png
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link
"Echelon" (It's My Way) is almost my favourite song this year. One or two songs will finish ahead of it.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:28 (ten years ago) link
in my top ten
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
great song, sure to be a great album, terrible album cover there
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 December 2013 06:13 (ten years ago) link
Not that keen on "A Tribe Called Red." :(
afraid of the song called "Angel + Airwaves"
― Simon H., Monday, 16 December 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I can't say "A Tribe Called Red" does much for me.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 December 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
Boom:https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/sets/angel-haze-dirty-gold/
― jaymc, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link
"Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze
Since they don't want to put it out this year, I will. Here's the album. HERE IS DIRTY GOLD. I hope you all enjoy it."https://twitter.com/AngelHaze/status/413334246015913984
― jaymc, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
Yay!
"April's Fool" is great.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
omg
― prolego, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link
not another sudden release to fuck up my eoy list
― prolego, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
some weirdness in there - "April's Fool" seems to appear twice and the running order doesn't match up w/ the one released last week.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:12 (ten years ago) link
damn, she death gripped it
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 2mAll 12 songs are up now. But the soundcloud big has misnamed them. Haha. Enjoy listening to the wrong songs as well as the album lol.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
i wonder what went down behind the scenes? release date was announced last week and it wasn't any later than had been planned?
i note she hasn't made them downloadable, lol
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
this still seems to be the same 5 tracks for me.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
Aw, man, Soundcloud's latest set of upgrades mean that anyone linking to a soundcloud going "here's my new album" is basically, for me, linking to an empty page.
Oh wait, the tweet itself will let me play snippets...
― Branwell Bell, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
news article from 9 days ago: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/5819978/angel-haze-inside-the-making-of-her-debut-album-dirty-gold
With a release date for "Dirty Gold" still being finalized (Republic is eyeing late February/early March for a simultaneous launch in the United States and the United Kingdom), Carson keeps checking Haze's SoundCloud page every morning. "If I didn't have Angel on lockdown, she'd just put [the album] up there," Carson says with a laugh. "She wants people to hear it now. She's so caught up in the moment and the creative space. She doesn't get caught up in the politics."
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:29 (ten years ago) link
Yeah it seems to be only five tracks or so.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
it appears to be zero now
(i saw a playlist of all 12, some misnamed, refreshed, all gone)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
Aw it seems like it's already gone.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah, somebody came and rapped her knuckles i gotta think
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
I'm kind of glad, b/c I probably wouldn't have got round to listening to it enough for my year-end ballot and wouldn't have wanted it to be a low-scoring appearer and thus ineligible for next year. Though I'm annoyed I didn't get to hear *any* of it.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
Heard one song before the stream cut out, and it just whet my appetite TBH. But I'm glad not to have to shuffle my already "OMG, so much I haven't heard yet!" EOY list.
― Branwell Bell, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link
twitter stream that led to this not so good; i'm worried this might be unreconcilable.
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hIdc what happens after this. They will get the music they were promised. And you guys JUST MAY LEARN TO KEEP YOUR FUCKING WORD.
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hSo sorry to Island/Republic Records, but fuck you. I got here doing this for my fans and if you guys don't feel the same, it won't stop me.
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hDreams. The only thing I have in my life. Imagine having the only reason you're alive being the very thing straining your existence. Ughhhh
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hThan anything you are or will ever be and sitting the fuck down and complying to get shit done. I'm sorry if I seem angry. But these are myExpand Reply Retweet Favorite More Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hTaking shit on the chin does not mean sitting back and letting the world beat and suck you fucking dry. It's knowing something is bigger
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hI did not promise an album and not deliver, unlike every fucking one else. I sat my ass down and came up with this music WHEN I HAD NOTHING.
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hI turned my fucking cheek because MUSIC IS ALL I FUCKING HAVE...and I know that's the same for some of you. I did everything I could for you
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hSure that it's attainable. I stopped arguing my point. Stopped giving a fuck about everything. Let these other ditsy bitches disrespect me
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hI turned down so much shit to be sure that I could finish this album because actually wanting something to me means doing all you can to be
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hI have gone to bat for this music. I have gone to bat for myself. I have literally sat fucking sleepless and starved crying over this shit.
Ala$ka Yxxng @AngelHaze 1hIt's so annoying that my label could tell me that if I fucking finished my album before the summer it would be out this year.
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
I wonder if anyone managed to get rips of the whole thing?
― queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
or like why did she do soundcloud c'mon girl put it on mediafire or something
I've heard rumours this was actually pretty ropey, or to paraphrase properly, "total shit" :/
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
all the talk about mraz and john mayer etc in that billboard article lex quoted has me wondering when that influence is finally going to creep into her music
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/angelhaze/status/413475186596659200
I don't understand what the rush is here, but hey, I'm not complaining
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:13 (ten years ago) link
this sort of thing seems to be a trend - i think in the coming year you're going to see a lot of people self-releasing or at least angling to have shit in fans' hands sooner than later
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:47 (ten years ago) link
I hope she's happy with the amount of press she's gotten to date, and no more, because releasing an album three months before the label wants to release it means no long lead print pieces, means lots of other potential opportunities (TV bookings) that are normally set up as part of a prolonged and carefully planned rollout strategy all become impossible. She's basically just reduced her potential audience to her Twitter followers and the few bloggers interested in throwing her into the content mill for 24 hours. So yeah, great, your fans get your album in 2013 (barely); but you've traded away a substantial portion of your ability to reach new people.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 19 December 2013 02:08 (ten years ago) link
Quite funny that a musician even has the means to impulsively leak their whole album these days, quite a modern problem
― badg, Thursday, 19 December 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
didn't M.I.A.'s last album get its release date directly after she threatened to leak it? pretty wild if artists are using this as a way to force the labels' hand and actually getting their way.
― some dude, Thursday, 19 December 2013 04:14 (ten years ago) link
And didn't Earl Sweatshirt do the same thing, or was it someone else?
― festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 19 December 2013 04:41 (ten years ago) link
Danny Brown did
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 19 December 2013 07:08 (ten years ago) link
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:13 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
me neither, especially as an "early 2014" release date has been pencilled in for some time, as far as i know
― lex pretend, Thursday, 19 December 2013 08:25 (ten years ago) link
Seems stupid as hell - and terrible timing too. I certainly don't have the time to sit down and listen to her album just a few days before Christmas.
― longneck, Thursday, 19 December 2013 10:58 (ten years ago) link
Didn't she get a massive advance as part of this all anyway? Suggests that the record company aren't particularly happy (rightly or wrongly) with the album that she's recorded, either because it's uncommercial or just not very good. Or it suggests that it's both of these things and they actually want to promote it properly at a time of year when debut artists are traditionally at their most visible. Either way, just before Christmas is a stupid time to put anything out at last minute, unless you're like Beyonce.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 December 2013 11:37 (ten years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/53401-angel-hazes-dirty-gold-release-date-moved-to-december-30-following-her-leak/
That A Tribe Called Red song is giving me a headache.
― longneck, Thursday, 19 December 2013 13:32 (ten years ago) link
i think it's fantastic. good to have an antidote to soporific submarine beats/stoned autotune rapping/lethargic tempos. confrontational and abrasive blood and guts and fire in her belly, yes please
― lex pretend, Thursday, 19 December 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link
ah thx.
― festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link
I don't get why it has to be out this year? What's the rush?
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
No. Do not put it out 30th December. That is a stupid move. I won't even get to listen to it until next year, so why stick it right in the most awkward week ever?
― Branwell Bell, Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
Vicki Leekx came out December 31 and I think I was one of like 6 people that listened to it.
― queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 19 December 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link
was just talking about this with an industry type who suggested maybe she has a contractual obligation of x albums and/or y years and she wants to get rolling with this? dunno if that's worth taking with a grain of salt.but yeah, from a press and label relationship perspective jamming this out into the world is a bad idea
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 05:22 (ten years ago) link
angel haze signing with a major label was probably a bad idea in the first place
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 December 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link
i am inclined to agree with that
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 06:07 (ten years ago) link
i'm surprised to find she has 150k twitter followers. i was expecting 5 digits
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link
angels fans are not numerous but they're vociferous
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:58 (ten years ago) link
this is what i've BEEN saying. from the start there were all the makings of a devoted cult audience
deej are you saying she's more popular than you thought she was? idk, i don't think twitter followers are a litmus test of much
― lex pretend, Friday, 20 December 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link
this is going to go well
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Friday, 20 December 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
Too cynical to suggest this was all a publicity ploy of the cheapest kind? Her official press is now bragging that she "leaked" her album. But hosting a protected stream that nobody was able to rip for a nano-second isn't really a leak. She clearly had the access to ACTUALLY leak the album if she wanted to.
From the crap her publicist sent me:
Yesterday Angel Haze self-leaked her debut album ‘Dirty Gold’, this comes just days after news that ‘Dirty Gold’ won’t be available until March 2014. Expressing frustration and upset about not being able to get her album out to fans in 2013 as previously promised, Angel Haze took matters into her own hands leaking the record via Twitter. Haze’s actions have forced her labels hand who’ve since announced they will make the digital version of ‘Dirty Gold’ available 30th December 2013.
― Evan R, Friday, 20 December 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, this has the odor of a stunt.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 20 December 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
nah, i'm sure the label would still like to do the physical release along with the digital at the very least.
xp
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 20 December 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
i dunno; a label faced with this would ask pr to make straw into goldso either planned as a stunt or as a tantrum, the result would likely be the same
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
very suspect that NOBODY got it tho
I think the span of time between her tweet and it being yanked was all of ten minutes.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 20 December 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
yeah, but TEH INTERNET. certainly somebody should have gotten it and it should be everywhere now.
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
2013: for the first time, the internet falters
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Friday, 20 December 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e10pzjb4ZnU
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Saturday, 21 December 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
The way things are now with rappers, the first official album almost feels more like the end of their career than the beginning
― the whirlwind labeouf, i inhale it (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 21 December 2013 23:23 (ten years ago) link
sad truth bomb
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 December 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
Pretty much otm
― Al He Miola (Spottie), Sunday, 22 December 2013 00:04 (ten years ago) link
In that case, I hope Azealia hurries up with her album ASAP.
― Murgatroid, Sunday, 22 December 2013 00:47 (ten years ago) link
Do you really think she would have had the type of promotional schedule that would have included TV appearances and shit? Like yeah 3 months of build up is better but how much build up are they gonna do for Angel Haze?
― queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 22 December 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
I could see her getting on some of the lower-tier shows: Conan, Kimmel, Arsenio, maybe Fallon, maybe some of the daytime talk shows.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 22 December 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
she'd be in pretty much every monthly music magazine left
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
prob still will be but the lede will be "why did she force the album to be released now"
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
a major could def get her on fallon or conan
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
Not hearing a lot here that I love. Needlessly self-important, and these beats don't go anywhere or do anything. But "White Lilles/ White Lies" is excellent
― Evan R, Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
Polica has been on Fallon & Kimmel and they aren't even on a major
― the whirlwind labeouf, i inhale it (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link
So, this album.
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
Lol. Anyway, I'm finding this a bit difficult to process, it's not as...hard as I had hoped?
i like "deep sea diver" a ton, but that chorus loop probably does go on a bit too long.
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link
Someone just posted a photo of some majestic trees on Facebook, with a one-word note: "Birches." Had to fight the temptation to comment "These birches is awful" because a) it's not someone I'm ever in contact with otherwise, and b) would have been very confusing.
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
just cracking it now; been too wrapped up in end of year stuff.
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 January 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link
I listened to the first four or five tracks this morning and it sounded pretty banging, I'm vaguely hoping this record unites her more in-your-face battle rap persona with her more soul-searching side.
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 January 2014 12:09 (ten years ago) link
i'm not sure what i think about it, there's some strong stuff on here but...i'm just not sure what i think about the blustery choruses. even if some of them are good, idk if they're what i wanted from her, and they kind of bury her good ideas a bit. first half is pretty strong though, and "white lilies/white lies" is one of those songs that NO other rapper out there could pull off.
the spoken intros are a bit heavy-handed. show don't tell!
sia has secretly become as much of a hack as ryan tedder hasn't she. all those clichéd "inspirational" choruses that are all identical.
basically i'm not sure i wanted her battle rap side and soul-searching side to be united because it means we get neither...
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
Ugh this basically goes to shit after Black Synagogue. I agree on the choruses, just so ponderous and nondescript. The spoken word intros are part of the same phenomenon really, underestimating the audience.
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 January 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
This really feels like her answer to Yelawolf's Radioactive, a hedge-betting crossover grab that stops an artist's buzz cold
― Evan R, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
word so true
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:30 (ten years ago) link
sort of no surprise that both emerged more fully-formed on their mixtapes than most. like, trunk muzik and reservation were essentially amazing and striking debut albums in all but name
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
― Evan R, Friday, January 3, 2014 8:27 PM
Ouch.
― etc, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
and instead of having the opportunity to take that further both kinda had to redo their debut album statement for major labels and sort of consciously move away from what made them brilliant in the first place
i mean, i would be hesitant before writing this off completely though
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
radioactive wasn't actually as bad as people like to make out it was
i mean, not great, but i'd take it over several other albums that get handwaved through without half the criticism
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
it has its fair share of good tracks but pretty regrettable from a conceptual standpoint
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
with angel haze i think the conceptual aspect of the album is less disappointing/surprising because she never really made it a secret that she was gonna try and pull off some corny shit ("i most want to collaborate with jason mraz" etc)
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link
yeah i think everyone had trepidation over that stuff - which was there from the start - and actually we might have got off lightly (ie, no actual collaboration with jason mraz)
i think with both, i can imagine major labels thinking these artists can ~transcend the rap fanbase (not that that's where they had the biggest support in the first place, i guess) but getting the ways in which that could happen a bit confused - like, thinking you have to be corny/on-trend to appeal to pop fans rather than just carrying on with what actually made them special
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:51 (ten years ago) link
and in both cases their lyricism hasn't so much gone away as just been...buried a bit
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link
What kind of audience did the label expect her to have? Serious question. That this (so far) sounds undercooked is a testament to a label's willingness to dilute an artist's personality for the sake of non-existent mainstream attention even in 2014.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
This is a dumb point but her name elicits blank stares whenever I mention her to young rap fans, so this project seems doubly depressing.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
did the hip-hop community ever really support her though?
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
yeah i have no idea what her fanbase is
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link
ILM and forty other critics, I'd imagine.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
the one time i've seen her live it seemed like a really mixed fanbase, though a really enthusiastic one. lots of lesbians but really not a homogenous group at all. assorted waifs and strays with troubled backgrounds who would have had livejournals ten years ago, maybe.
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
xp nahhhh look at her twitter followers etc, she does have a proper fanbase, and it's a cultish and devoted one. but it's not one that really screams commercial smashes
― lex pretend, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
That this (so far) sounds undercooked is a testament to a label's willingness to dilute an artist's personality for the sake of non-existent mainstream attention even in 2014.
do you mean the label has diluted her sound? bc i don't know about that, angel's insistence to put the album out in 2013 seems more like this is the kind of music she really wanted to make but her label were more hesitant
like lex i don't want to abandon her just yet because i thought reservation was really, really special but yeah initially i'm disappointed by this, particularly the languid second half
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
angel has a legit nyc fanbase but it's not trad hiphop fans afaik
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 January 2014 22:52 (ten years ago) link
not - predominantly - trad hiphop fans i mean
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 January 2014 22:53 (ten years ago) link
angel haze and yelawolf also share an overemphasis on technical frippery at the behest of musicality
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
behest totally the wrong word there. what is the word i'm thinking of? I think just "expense."
sorry havent gotten much sleep
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
Ugh, "Angels and Airwaves" stuck in my head all day. This is one of those albums where the more a song sticks in your head the shittier that song is
― Evan R, Sunday, 5 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
On the first song, I thought to myself "who told her 'sad Nicki Minaj' would be the way to go here?"
On the second song, I thought to myself "actually 'sad Nicki Minaj' is working pretty well, I shouldn't prejudge"
Then she started doing a spoken word about how she doesn't connect to things tied to her ethnicity and that people shouldn't expect it to be in her music over tribal chanting and I thought "okay, I'm gonna be late for my dinner reservation if I keep listening to this bullshit" then I died of irony over the word "reservation"
― SHAUN (DJP), Sunday, 5 January 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
I always thought Nicki Minaj had a terrible sense of humor, but now I understand that any sense of humor is better than no sense of humor
― Evan R, Sunday, 5 January 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
It's funny (ironic) when all the things that people are coming out with to comedy dis a record with are exactly the things that make me think "I should check this out, this is probably a pretty powerful record."
― Branwell Bell, Monday, 6 January 2014 08:35 (ten years ago) link
Got a feeling this is basically meaningless even without the word 'behest'.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 January 2014 09:47 (ten years ago) link
you would be wrong
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
angel haze and yelawolf are too concerned w technical pyrotechnics to pay attention to the ways in which that overemphasis on technique obscures interesting musical ideas
You are essentially saying "their musicianship obscures their musicianship" as far as I can tell, which is not particularly edifying
― SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
i don't mind that you feel that way deej but the way you phrase it as a gospel truth rather than opinion is a little exhausting and definitively inaccurate.
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 January 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
it's just a sentence, calm down
― j., Monday, 6 January 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
i'm so calm
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 January 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
i would like more use of the word frippery on ilx tho
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 January 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 January 2014 18:09 (14 minutes ago) Permalink
Does everyone have to add an unnecessary "IMO" or "I think that..." to every post?
― Murgatroid, Monday, 6 January 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
― SHAUN (DJP), Monday, January 6, 2014 11:57 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is not what i am saying. musicality =/= musicianship
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 6 January 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
when studying jazz, a lot of novice horn players will attempt to fill bars with lots of notes, running through technically complex patterns. They tend not to incorporate ideas like: space. Or concern themselves much with phrasing—why bother with variety when you can impress through speed? etc.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 6 January 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link
Fair point. (truth be told, I was trolling for a more fleshed-out response)
― SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 19:26 (ten years ago) link
Does anyone else have an overwhelming urge to sing "YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND, BABY/RIGHT ROUND/WHEN YOU GO DOWN/WHEN YOU GO DOWN, DOWN" over the beginning of "A Tribe Called Red"?
I don't think I'm in a frame of mind to give this a fair listen.
― SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
Deej's point makes perfect sense, except that I would say what I loved about each artist's big pre-signing mixtape was the effortless sounding combination of musicality with technical proficiency.
Sometimes the deflating thing about this kind of artist is the gradual realisation that what you thought was absolute mastery was at least in part just really good, fleeting luck.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 January 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
Azealia Banks burned out as ignominiously too 'cept she didn't make a long statement as beautiful as Reservation.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
lol come on now, Azealia Banks was never on Angel Haze's level of substance/talent
― SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
"212" was good enough that I couldn't wait for the album
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
Azealia occasionally offers glimmers of hope - her glastonbury performance last year was pretty terrific, for instance. But 212 was nearly 2.5 years ago, and that + all the vile beefs means most people are now not interested.
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
when studying jazz, a lot of novice horn players will attempt to fill bars with lots of notes, running through technically complex patterns. They tend not to incorporate ideas like: space. Or concern themselves much with phrasing—why bother with variety when you can impress through speed? etc
All this is just the usual virtuosity/feeling false dichotomy though, a lot of great musicians in eg classical music will have both. Both Angel Haze and Yelawolf clearly understand phrasing, they know how to slow down, the problem with both is that the songwriting went off a cliff between the mixtape and the debut.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 08:49 (ten years ago) link
technical proficiency is not what makes either album disappointing, indeed it's what partially redeems them
i mean, deej made the same accusation about angel haze and yelawolf BEFORE their albums, ie about their great material, so...i'm disregarding it
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 10:05 (ten years ago) link
the problem with both is that the songwriting went off a cliff between the mixtape and the debut
yeah
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 12:54 (ten years ago) link
Lol at deem edifying us with a jazz 101 lecture
― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 13:56 (ten years ago) link
surprised everyone resisted a hemiola zing
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
"Slowly, we perceive that our task is to learn the proper way of freeing ourselves, to develop technique.... Technique was then, as today, the key to creative freedom"
- Ralph Ellison, Living With Music
― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
― Tim F, Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:54 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
right. so far with this album its not that any artistic direction sort of choice she made is something that in theory shouldn't work, or would in theory make me enjoy the album less. its just that she made these various choices about artistic direction and also it so happens that the album isn't very exciting.
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:56 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I studied jazz for eight years. LOL!!
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:02 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I like plenty of highly technical rappers ... way to completely misinterpret me though
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
― Matt DC, Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:49 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
see what I said to the other M@tt ... there are plenty of artists who are masters of technique but don't sacrifice clarity and purpose
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
i wasn't saying you don't know anything about jazz i'm saying you were talking some really cliched basic shit that's been said like 8 zillion times on ILM (ie jazz 101) and acted like you were educating us
in the case of Yelawolf i think he had great phrasing as Matt DC said
― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
deej you were saying this about angel haze before this album came out, so it's obvious you just don't/can't hear what makes her great in the first place
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link
Yes, deej's criticism is fair enough (though I disagree) but it's not relevant to the drop-off from Reservation to this album.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
the one "artistic" choice i think maybe she flopped on is trying too hard to be a capital p poet?
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
also running all her songs through the Skylar Grey machine
― Evan R, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
i think we can actually just go ahead and call it the sia machine now
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
the other thing with this album is that it sounds like it was designed for a live band, even when it's not being played by one. it's loud and in-yr-face and i'm not sure that's the best look over the course of an album for her - so many of her best moments previously have been v much brooding/introverted in terms of delivery
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
xp the markus dravs machine more like
is this likely to make any dent in the charts at all? feel like she's only going to move kreayshawn-style numbers, but idk
― pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
the release last week was only digital (with a CD release to follow in the UK soon and later in the US) -- obviously most of her sales were gonna be digital anyway but that certainly lowers the bar even further
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:34 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well it was a one-sentence post without references to jazz but people asked for clarification so i gave it
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
the word now is that Angel Haze's album will debut at #196 on the Billboard 200 with 857 copies sold. so about a quarter of Kreayshawn's numbers.
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
welp
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
haha
― Spottie, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
damn that's dreadful
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
"technical frippery" is a maybe too-easy shot to take at a technically skilled rapper u don't like and i understand everyones exasperation there probably are more fruitful ways to talk abt why this sucks, but i don't think matt dc is making a different point or using a less false binary, seems like just swapping the word "musicality" for "songwriting"
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
Well I think the point is that these things aren't fixed properties, and technical frippery and musicality aren't playing a zero sum game where one always comes at the expense of the other (deej wasn't actually saying that, but it's worth teasing out anyway).
I would recast Deej's point to say that when the strength of material is there it's easy to then be wowed by the technical prowess and take everything else for granted a bit, but when the rest ebbs away it becomes readily apparent that technique alone isn't enough and may not even be the dominant quality that made the artist's prior work so special.
But the above is less about Yelawolf and Angel Haze in and of themselves and more about how we talk about artists like these.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
i don't really see that it's all that relevant a point here seeing as no one brought up technical frippery as a criticism except deej, who hasn't provided any examples and who was making the same argument about angel haze when reservation came out
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
I think the comparison with Yelawolf is relevant and useful, even if I disagree with deej's take on both artists.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
yes, but for different reasons than "technical frippery" - more to do with personae that don't fit into the (increasingly narrowing) parameters of rap fandom, but make even less sense when recast as commercially viable major label prospects
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link
xp fine, if you're only interested in criticisms by people who liked reservation
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
i pretty much am tbh
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
or at least if you're using the same criticism about new angel haze that you were about old angel haze it doesn't exactly scream insight because this entire discussion is about why the new stuff is worse than the old stuff
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
ya i get that
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
i just happen to agree with deej in not liking a lot of the early stuff, too
― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think this is definitely a big part of it as well, but I would be reluctant to reduce their appeal/distinctiveness to "personae" when for me a lot of it comes down to how their personae and their rapping styles inform and reinforce one another.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:03 (ten years ago) link
the word now is that Angel Haze's album will debut at #196 on the Billboard 200 with 857 copies sold. so about a quarter of Kreayshawn's numbers
Whoever could have foreseen that forcing the release on December 30th might backfire?
Also wow, REALLY no one buys albums any more if that number gets you even in the top 200.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:54 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/factmag/status/420690125861834752
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
I didn't know Angel Haze had so many UK fans!
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link
Pretty sure they've been promoting her more heavily here than in the US, she's been at loads of festivals, on the Rudimental album etc.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
i mean i'm not really into this album but :(
"battle cry" is getting radio 1 play i guess?
― pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link
ahh yeah i wondered if there was some misinformation in there. still...we should know in a couple days what her US number is. people will be amazed and impressed now if she does 5k.
― some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 01:09 (ten years ago) link
perhaps this is destined for the 'heatseekers' album chart in the us
― dyl, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 01:19 (ten years ago) link
http://instagram.com/p/lELvk8rmnl/
― pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Monday, 3 March 2014 10:44 (ten years ago) link
link won't open for me?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 12:29 (ten years ago) link
http://noisey.vice.com/blog/angel-haze-on-hip-hop-and-cultural-appropriation-2015
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
She needs to name some names.
― longneck, Friday, 23 January 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
her new tape is out. and it's rly good.
― bla.p, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
"impossible" and "babe ruthless" are amazing
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
i just realized the producer went to high school w/ me O.o
― dyl, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 06:17 (eight years ago) link
really great interview
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6693399/angel-haze-back-to-the-woods-exclusive
"yung rap morticia / no bible all scripture / real shit rap god, your favourite rapper's mortician"
this really is everything i hoped dirty gold would be
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 09:46 (eight years ago) link
it's crazy good. her best release so far imo
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 September 2015 06:12 (eight years ago) link
Halfway through first listen and I fucking love this.
Btw guys, the billboard article clearly says Angel Haze prefers "they" pronouns, so maybe good not to disrespect their wishes on that front?
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 September 2015 10:33 (eight years ago) link
fuck sorry, my bad
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:57 (eight years ago) link
great interview w them
http://www.thefader.com/2015/09/17/angel-haze-back-to-the-woods-interview
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 September 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
i find it v funny that people talk of drake as setting the bar for confessionalism in rap when angel haze exists
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 September 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
i mean sure, but "dirty gold" was so bad it had me ready to revoke my stan card so i don't blame people for losing interest or not talking about them
― carly bae jepsen (monotony), Thursday, 17 September 2015 23:47 (eight years ago) link
this is really much much better, and really Dirty Gold was their only "enhh" release so far
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 18 September 2015 00:36 (eight years ago) link
I have been caning this today. I'm sort of surprised I like the "singy" songs so much, as they are less my normal wheelhouse but pretty much everything about this record works for me.
Also, thanks Simon for being cool about being pulled up on the pronouns thing.
― emil.y, Friday, 18 September 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
having read plenty about their experiences making this record I was mortified at myself for the slip tbh
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 18 September 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link
meanwhile I like the sung songs less this time 'round, "Dark Places" excepted (only two listens so far). Good interview, horrible headline.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2015 01:01 (eight years ago) link
i generally like angel and ill check this out but them saying this makes me really uncomfortable “Last night I was super, super suicidal,”
obv its healthy to really express ones tru feelings but that strikes me as trivializing & idk if angel was really in that mindstate then get sum help immed dont do interviews to promote your mixtape
― johnny crunch, Friday, 18 September 2015 01:16 (eight years ago) link
Obviously I haven't experienced the massive traumas that Angel Haze has, but having lived a life of feeling suicidal most days and repressing, repressing, always repressing my feelings, from childhood to adulthood, it is fucking refreshing to reach a state where you are able to say stuff like that out loud. Where you no longer give a shit if you are making people uncomfortable by expressing the bad shit in your brain. It's always there. They have said in interviews that they have sought and received help in the past, but help doesn't completely remove your mental health issues. If you didn't do "normal" stuff when in that mindset you wouldn't ever be able to do anything for the rest of your life.
― emil.y, Friday, 18 September 2015 01:42 (eight years ago) link
emil.y the only time I had ever heard about angel haze was from professor Jack (nee Judith) Halberstam talking about her and jayZ/kanye and queer identity (with relation mostly to anarchy and otherness) - I know this video is very long but you may find it interesting. Or even VERY interesting, as I do. I'd start the video at around 6:30 if you want to get to the meat but the whole thing is a mindfuck par excellence.
https://witchesunionhall.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/no-church-in-the-wild-queer-anarchy-and-gaga-feminism-by-jack-halberstam/
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 18 September 2015 02:05 (eight years ago) link
Possibly too drunk to be watching this but doing it anyway - I like it so far, have heard of Jack Halberstam but never read his books.
― emil.y, Friday, 18 September 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link
J. Halberstam is amazing. I tried to start a conversation on the book Female Masculinity elsewhere (Gaga Feminism is interesting, but a bit of a mess) but it didn't go anywhere.
One of the things I really admire about Jack is Jack's refusal to police (or be policed by) pronouns.
The battle (which I've experienced) over what people call you isn't (in my experience) about the names or the titles; it's about respect. Obviously, refusing to call you by what you've asked is a deliberate move of disrespect. But people who are determined to disrespect you will find (again, in my experience) ways of turning that self-definition into just another way of disrespecting you. I really admire Jack's stance of attempting to remove the power. What matters is how one is treated; the pronoun is a tool, but it's not the thing itself.
Anyway this is off topic so I'm going to go and look for the mixtape. Soundcloud, yeah?
― Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2015 08:05 (eight years ago) link
It's on Spotify if that's a thing you do.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2015 08:20 (eight years ago) link
Cheers, that's v v useful thanks
― Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2015 08:31 (eight years ago) link
jack halberstam is the worst
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 18 September 2015 12:03 (eight years ago) link
moonrise kingdom is terrific
― johnny crunch, Friday, 18 September 2015 13:37 (eight years ago) link
getting a bit obsessed with this album. i love when the beats buckle and distort, i love how she turns pain into power both in her metaphors and her narratives, i love that she's so convincing that she even gets away with actually howling like a wolf
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link
I've been playing it non-stop since Thursday, "D-Day," "Exposed," "The Wolves" especially.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link
despite deep deep reservations due to how much I disliked the previous album, I finally played this
holy shit
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
This is an incredibly strong contender for my album of the year.
― emil.y, Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link
same
i was initially drawn to the hard-ass ones where she rips your face off, but wow, the melodies on this thing as well. seems like the one she took from her unfortunate major label experience was how to write better ~emotional hooks than sia. and the way she switches between rapping and singing works so well every time.
love the recurrent wolves and moons, so many lyrics that stop you in your tracks. "i know n*ggas ignore / that the blood in a queen runs the same in a whore", "my brain is a cage, it's the place where the beasts that i'm battling lay, man it's a wrap, i relax in my rage like a bat or a rat in a trap or a cave", "if suffering makes a god then let me know more of it"...those are just from "on fire". "detox" is fucking epic, "exposed" is just so raw
― lex pretend, Thursday, 24 September 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
sorry, they, wasn't thinking
i wasn't really put off by dirty gold bc it's always seemed inevitable they'd make better music outside the major label system
― lex pretend, Thursday, 24 September 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
i saw angel live a month or so ago and was somewhat put off by her playing new songs for the first 3/4 of the set and jumping into the audience for the second half of the set, making it impossible to actually see her in a crowd of some 6kshe was okay live but it's a single person hip hop show in a huge crowd, unless you're amazing it's hard for that to be the best possible concertanyway, i really need to listen to the new one.
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 September 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link
So good. In my top 5 for the year to date, for sure. "The Wolves" is :o and don't overlook "Bruises" near the end - a great bit of pop on top of everything else we've been offered up to that point.
― Jeff W, Sunday, 27 September 2015 12:10 (eight years ago) link
in moonrise kingdom its something v obvious but what does the 'you gotta run / or theyll catch us and stop us from growing' sound like? partic how the second half is phrased
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link
http://sobs.com/2015/6177/angel-haze-back-to-the-woods-tourAngel at SOBs in NYC on November 23 at 8pmGood option for those of you doing the solo Tday thing in the city; except for her penchant for literally taking herself off the stage and general pontification, she puts on a show
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 October 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link
a bunch of November US dates
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 15 November 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
I like how on “Dark Places,” Haze alternates between rapid, snarled patter and mournful sung verses over nicely programmed instrumentation from Tk Kayembe.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 20 November 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
this is a good interview
http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/music/angel-haze-interview-at-home-i-m-dead-but-on-stage-i-m-god-a3157611.html
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Saturday, 16 January 2016 13:37 (eight years ago) link
(i'm seeing her tonight, hyped)
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Saturday, 16 January 2016 13:38 (eight years ago) link
Reservation has been snuck onto Spotify, in case that might interest you.
― Jeff W, Sunday, 21 February 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link
Daaaaaaaamn!
http://thefader-res.cloudinary.com/images/w_760,c_limit/AngelHaze_NFrancis_Resurrection_3mb_yjp6xf/angel-haze-resurrection-single.png
http://www.thefader.com/2016/11/22/angel-haze-resurrection-single
― Jeff W, Friday, 25 November 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
She's the best.
― Ross, Friday, 25 November 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E6KYHxvEGg
classic
― In a slipshod style (Ross), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 05:37 (six years ago) link
love angel haze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_nvLgR2_U
― kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 30 December 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
back to the woods is a great slept-on record. Fraught with more paranoia and psychosis than the debut but wonderful all the same
― Eris (Ross), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
Don't know if it was mentioned on here anywhere, but Angel Haze is now called Roes
https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/pansexual-rapper-angel-haze-officially-changed-name/
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 6 April 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
Classic classic classic
― dig me out requiem (Ross), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
stronghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOycRO6mabo
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 14:47 (three years ago) link
I have been jamming out to that for most of 2021
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link
hell yeah
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
very nice
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 15:52 (three years ago) link
that's great, nice to see she's back, had she sort of dropped out for a while?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
i think she poisoned the water a while back by dropping her album online without coordinating with her label.https://www.mtv.com/news/1719290/angel-haze-dirty-gold-album-leak/
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
also that album was kind of bad
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link