Drum geek sick chops youtube thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiUcE-23RKQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3n3xoE-R8M

dude shredding on Mario Bros

Dude's gotta have a monster reach to hit that dresser.

Dude looks like that O RLY electrosoul guy whose image is all over ILX. After some serious woodshedding.

dorky German shredder shredding over Futurama and Simpsons quotes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHft4OR7Rus

Bernard Purdie (more of a groove video than a chops video, but awesome, and fucking hilarious):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gujufbGoS20

Purdie with Jon Hammond
(check the solo at 5:16)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PWkTjlS5R0E&mode=related&search=

Haha, that first BP clip is great. "Whoaaaaah!"

Oooh, I like that

One of my favorite drummer youtube clips, Brian Blade w/Joshua Redman:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EBjsAyUM1N0&mode=related&search=

Steve Gadd w/ Giovanni Hidalgo
(I love the double hi-hat)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GuBAfPi1cVo&mode=related&search=

Something that might surprise you
Sam Woodyard (of Duke Ellington's band):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a3XXi3krN80

Bill Stewart w/some great trading:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAojnI7e0zA

Dave King:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugPIpfZnNa8

Deerhoof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEYSeygs97Q&mode=related&search=

Note he appears to be using two crashes on a hi-hat stand as is only cymbals

Nice. I still don't know how he can sit that low and play the bass drum.

Ha ha, I love Greg Saunier.

I don't really know much about drumming but one of my favorite drummers to watch is Jim White of the Dirty Three, who is now kind of an indie rock drummer for hire, playing with Bonnie Prince Billie, Cat Power, Nina Nastasia and others. He's got a very flamboyant style with big flowing arm movements. He completely upstaged Bill Callahan when playing with Smog. It's hard to find a good YouTube clip, but here he is with Dirty Three:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw3GIWWiKjU

I think this is Ricky Wellman? W/Miles in the 80s. I love his playing on the version of this tune that's on Live Around the World.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00tzcnyDL68

Max Roach vs. Art Blakey vs. Elvin Jones?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5dt9QT4Ms

Max is totally ridiculous, but when Blakey comes in it's just like "awww shit..."

Here's Elvin's solo, he's not even trying to play the same game as the other two. Also the tape warping sounds sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfZSzDCPBvY

Haha, I remembered the drummer for Diddy doing Kashmere on SNL being sick, and he is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45MghyE8pOI

lol @ Diddy, but srsly, if there is ever a Led Zep reunion I want that dude.

You can't see Usher's drummer in this clip, but he's totally ridiculous, esp. during the dance break.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zis-L5iBHB4

nick Jim White is one of my favorites.

Shannon is my man. :>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2wJqO2_Xk

Keith Carlock

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=119513888
(his band is also one of the better-sounding awful mercenary drum clinic pick-up bands I've heard)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kfFFAzPCANQ

I am a big fan of this guy, but it's kind of boring to watch this solo on youtube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T-WBAOgpK0w

although maybe it's just the trumpet player's fidgeting in the background that's distracting me.

I do like when "Boogie Stop Shuffle" kicks back in.

Haha, this is a timely thread revive. I spent a couple hours last night watching JoJo Mayer's dvd: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VLQMFIueUyc

The first disc is real talk, probably the best thing I've seen on grips, basic wrist/finger techniques, moeller, etc.. Then on the second disc he gets into all the push-pull/thumb swivel/crazy fast one-hand stuff, some of which is like science fiction to me. :( But it's good drum geek shit, it made me want to get into more of a definite practice routine. And the little interludes where he's playing beats outside in all these different NYC spots are nice.

that dvd is amazing. it's all hands!

but please destroy thomas lang and marco minnemann

^^^^^yes, i got those dudes' dvds on netflix, ugh

thomas lang is one soulless motherfucker

at least mm had that funny part where he's playing to simpsons samples

Then on the second disc he gets into all the push-pull/thumb swivel/crazy fast one-hand stuff, some of which is like science fiction to me.

Stuff like that quickly turns into chops as an end rather than a means, so I tend to tune it out.

chops as a means to a pair of leather pants

This may have been posted already, but I love this clip of Neil Peart at the Buddy Rich memorial show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bIchqJoxFQ

Somebody should show that to Joe Flaherty.

yeah, sheila e

http://youtube.com/watch?v=33orc70TAxg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jicJsGCO3WU

Jordan, you didn't even say who else was on that youtube. Do you have that other lady's book?

I just watched that with the sound off and imagined what the 'shredder' guy would have done with it.

No jam block, no credibility.

re: neil peart, i don't know, i mean dude can play of course but he sounded kinda high school on the chart, and rockish at times on the solo.

no, she has a book?

The piano player. Rebeca Mauleón. She wrote The Salsa Guidebook for Piano & Ensemble. Check it out.

Peart does not swing.

I don't completely begrudge him for it - there are very few drummers who can both rock and swing - I think it's just the nature of developing the wrist/hand technique for one vs. the other.

It's the way you think about music.

i mean dude can play of course but he sounded kinda high school on the chart, and rockish at times on the solo.

Peart does not swing.

both OTM

It's the way you think about music.
Yeah, and if you think about jazz and listen to jazz you should probably be able to figure out how to swing a little bit.

http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/fred_armisen_vs_jens

this has lol potential!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg92KHc_Xw4

Ignacio w/ Dizzy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz2qvID9Gs4

Ignacio & Airto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acFeeIpvXew&feature=related

Francisco Mela
http://youtube.com/watch?v=47m3wWel0Lc

Drummer trades fours with vocalist-pretending-to-be-a-drummer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXRppejlsMk

El Negro takes a solo while Giovanni Hidalgo has a sip of water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1KWG7a9ll0&feature=related

Richie Flores
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIQI86RiE9s

Guy way upthread doing Super Mario Bros music...wtf where is gnarly BOWSER CASTLE MUSIC.

Cristian Rivera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Io30ZzM2x4

Ken did you go see Sam Yahel Trio at Jazz Standard? B/C that was how I first heard of Mela, although I didn't actually go to the gig, just watched some Youtube clips.

Nice, that last clip made me look up a bunch of sick Conrad Herwig/Brian Lynch shit.

No, Hurting, I don't know from Sam Yahel, I just heard about Francisco M on another list, and then saw he was playing at Cachaça, so I went and checked him out. Maybe you should come with me one Sunday to see Chris Washburne at Smoke one Sunday, which is where I assume that last clip is from.

If you're in town, you can come too, Jordan, and compare notes with Chris about being a student of Richard Davis.

Still meaning to find a good Patato clip to post. I think there a few with him and Tito Puente, who is in every other clip on this thread.

Oh, nice! Wish I could go, but I probably won't be back in NYC for awhile. :(

It's every Sunday. They'll probably be playing next time you are around. .

That Steve Gadd/Giovanni Hidalgo clip...the hands and feet thing...so wonderful.

Got a gig in New Haven Sunday night. Ivy League poon.

Are you quoting one of your bandmates in an attempt to sound more like one of the boys?

Ha, in a sense. "Ivy League poon" is in fact a running band joke.

Now that I think of it, last time I saw Cristian Rivera and Chris Washburne they were playing with the Bobby Sanabria Big Band that Haikunym is always raving about on the salsa thread on the other board. Bobby gave Cristian the nod to take a solo and he was on fire. He kept on soloing and looking over at Bobby as if to say, "I'm in the groove, boss, I ain't gonna stop until you tell me the stop." Finally Bobby gave the signal and the rest of the band kicked back in.

This other guy in the next clip I happened to see the other day and I wasn't too into it. His band wasn't really locking in, and his own playing was kind of wanky. But see for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe15md7VFQQ. I wanted to stop around minute seven.

OK, I found a pretty good video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-_r1EvJ6q4&feature=related with the late, great Patato featuring Nicky Marrero on timbales.

To continue w/the latin theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_34oDF6ZIs

(Jim Branly, sent to me by a friend)

Frankie Dunlop - maybe my favorite overlooked drummer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbXK-Q1jsy0&feature=related

Such feel, such a sound, such fluidity of playing

More:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgJ1XAm1UNs&feature=related

More?

female drummers on the loose! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IbWsJTnXuU

aaron spears (usher's drummer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtiuGR-p44

sick pandeiro playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMTL7OSvOoo

gospel chops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8AR3cQOv4s

more thomas pridgen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_cnhaPgZ04

herlin riley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfInj1JHGRE

on a more of-this-world tip, my man shannon powell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2wJqO2_Xk

gerald hayward w mary j: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7millwbJ7s

matt wilson playing an ironic drum solo: http://youtube.com/watch?v=WOUTxn84JWM

STEVIE WONDER DRUM SOLO: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4SCZv7786KY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdcIztH5RAQ

Spanky on drums yo!

Sorry for being so British but what is a Shed? Is it where gospel groups practice or something?

shed = woodshed = old term for where you practice. "shedding" = practicing.

ahhh thanks jordan

i take it everyone has seen the joey baron at its best youtube. if not...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWYWEaDpUNc

i hadn't seen that, thanks!

Nicky Marrero again, with Ray Barretto and others. Pay attention at the 1:05 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVRCbpSzuRA&NR=1

ari hoenig playing 'this little light of mine' on the drums: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDITFrf0PLs

Ari, as good as he is, just keeps getting better.

I can't find any stunning footage of Hamid Drake, but here he is anyway in a brief clip, jamming with Adam Rudolph in a drum duet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dxtgwsvGlo&feature=related

http://www.lpmusic.com/Play_Like_A_Pro/Tips/dvd_closeup_vol1.html

aw shit (pointer sisters)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ULwExPXvg

I love solos like that. It's like the drum equivalent of that KRS-One verse from MCs Act Like They Don't Know about punchlines vs. moving the crowd

aw, i love nicko:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTc40kfIw5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrzpJ4cUKYI

[This space reserved for drummer Chris Benham, who rocked my local watering hole tonight, but apparently is not yet on the youtube radar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvioiDwPFGU

thomas pridgen seems like a nice dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhdDvDwzasI

john blackwell playing tony williams with some lolberklee kids

2 yr old drummer reality show wwwwttttffff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBK0pphzX38

good drumming + smoking technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR6Lx7VrDEk

billy cobham w/horace silver in 1968: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2VYKgFBH3A

so cool to see him killing it on a 4 piece kit, all left-handed and shit.

I think we may have overlooked this one a while back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRGwYpnd99Q&feature=related

If I'm not mistaken there is a tribute to two of the other guys in that one coming up at Birdland.

1968 Billy Cobham was just dying for someone to invent fusion already.

Bernard Purdie is going to 'splain to ya': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9hq7IEqyKQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pclpe8dT7cY&feature=related

derrick t@bb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcKZx7kB_k4

Ernesto Simpson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytoRTwDI5os

ha, i like this dude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkwdjlEUeRQ. i used to use some of those tricks like scratching on the snare wires and laying on the cymbals on the snare, but not as smooth as that. his other videos are pretty sick too.

damn, chris dave. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPYLkJYruic

Jeff Ballard on this clip -- WOO!

i realized that the awesome beat he plays here is straight paradiddle sticking, totally doable!

Not like the most obviously sick thing ever, but such beautiful ghosting:

Article in NYTimes about the Purdie shuffle because he is appearing in Hair: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/theater/31purd.html?_r=2

I guess he worked with Galt MacDermot on some demos for it back in the day, but of course Idris Muhammad was in the original show.

You may or may not like this song but the percussionist has some pretty sick chops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SRYva8u01w

Ha, I actually ended up seeing Hair, but Purdie was not there, some slightly younger and thinner cat (though not actually young or thin) with an Afro wig was on drums. Wilbur Bascomb was there though.

This dood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKBEYyUxz_c

argh so many of these have been deleted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMnwOZA0DQk

Yes, seen that kid. Love him.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to him. I mean unlike a lot of the child prodigy musicians I see on youtube, this kid seems genuinely ENTHRALLED by music and totally has fun making the videos. And what's really remarkable is not just his chops but his feel. But I still worry about this five year old with his own "youtube channel" and all these expectations on him.

Simple beat, but still, damn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK1wshMPIso&feature=channel

dope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFvgCtomkqE

Double drumming from Muppet band leader Jack Parnell and Ronnie "Animal" Verrell. You can ff to around 1:30 if you want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1kPSQ2R3Og

after the intro that is

Samuel Torres burning it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRW4uvfsSMY&feature=related

the new batch of chris dave & friends vids are completely ill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcNj2m04BMQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0baIZLNLGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8cRenJqdwU

pino and the guitarist are basically heroes for holding down those grooves while the drums & sax go off with the crazy metric modulation

is that ernesto simpson on kit? my brass band once played after those dudes in switzerland, i think it was the bona/toto/lokua band. ernesto was playing along as his mobile drum riser was getting hauled away (with him on it).

Ha, I almost wrote in original "that must be Ernesto Simpson on the traps." I asked Samuel about Ernesto the other day, he told me he was living in Europe now, can't remember what city. Think they are playing some European dates together next month

Hm. I see that in 2000 ST came in second place in the Thelonious Monk International Jazz Competition for Hand Percussion. Wonder who came in first place? OK, I see.

IDK some parts of those Chris Dave videos are sick as hell but then they have to go and do bullshit like play off meter trane excerpts in the middle of a dilla groove and I just don't get the point other than degree-of-difficulty.

That's the point!

Tim Stewart is nice as hell on guitar btw.

xpost -- yeah but it reminds me of high school jazz band when we would always take every song into double time and go through every possible substitute chord progression. It's boring.

Ha, almost posted something on that virtuosity thread about how Benny Powell would never hire somebody who played more than a,say, four chorus solo because they should be able to show what they knew in a short period of time and not have to literally play every single thing they knew

OK, here is the Benny Powell quote:
http://www.trombone.org/articles/library/bennypowell-4.asp

What leader needs a guy who's going to be dumb enough to play 24 choruses? A leader's looking for somebody who's smart. And brevity is it. You know, say what you got to say in two or three choruses, maybe four. I mean, if you're really hot, stretch out in five. But you don't need more than five choruses to show people what you know.

Drum Solos - Gene Krupa vs Lionel Hampton vs Chico Hamilton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbMlHAFZXx0&NR=1

That one never really takes off, unlike
The Ed Shaughnessy/Buddy Rich Drum Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNhnioNNIPI&feature=related

Or Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-GoQWjH56k&feature=related

Sammy Davis, Jr.- A Message from Goldfinger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JDil65nfPc&feature=related

Sheila E. Basically I don't want to see a drummer anymore if they aren't doing double bass in heels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwvhtXjzVWQ&feature=youtu.be

I just saw the Ernesto Simpson was in town last week playing a gig a block away from my house with Manuel Valera but I missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgyRyEKkH_k&feature=related

jordan more chris dave goodness, but have you seen all of these, holy shit

berklee kids are just unbelievably ruinous these days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zii-PfspeO0

Heard some percussionists talking shop the other night and they kept talking about this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7PRVnFw3Q

I mean Itamar Daori of course.

OK, here is example more appropriate for this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNblQX4OVmY

Part 2 even better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLrFxD08zac&feature=relmfu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVzqrfMTRI&feature=relmfu

Gaddness @ 4:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlYw11GD2wY

<3 karriem riggins. unlike some dudes i can usually grasp what he's doing but he makes it sound so good. like here, the beat is mostly straight paradiddles but when i play it doesn't sound nearly as dope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Lf1wMylIE&feature=player_detailpage#t=74

the hi-hat/snareadiddle thing is actually very steve gadd, now that I think about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk7arh8vWp8

damn. i'm not always into the whole 'hmmm what can we do to this standard, i know, we'll play it in 7!' thing but that's a nice arrangement, love the vamp.

Yeah, it does seem like that standard in 7 thing has become pervasive (probably Mehldau's fault), but I love the way they Justin and Jacky interplay on it.

Starts climbing toward :O around 3:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT8RSSikRUc

stumbled onto this -- I always liked and respected him a lot and thought he stood out as WAY better than the other drummers of his style/generation, but I didn't know he had chops like this

First youtube search result for "drums" and deservedly so

a diff kind of drum chops but this is incredible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elsbjruwMeA

I've posted this on other threads, but this clip of Mike Clark on drums with Paul Jackson on bass both of the Headhunters is pretty wicked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1i1RJeUw70

Yup, seen that, one of my favorite youtube videos

Never knew about this guy before, died young in the 80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTuFEikcbmM#t=128

great video, great player. i like all the stuff about how dance styles dictate the development of grooves in pop music, use of space, etc. and the super '70s snare sound and cymbal angles.

yeah fascinating stuff -- amazing breadth of knowledge and very original thinking/analysis, plus great playing

wonderful!

saved for later

I want that guy to be alive and be my drum teacher

oh man, his death is very sad :(

wow that is sad
let it also have been said that yogi horton was extremely easy on the eyes

i like all the stuff about how dance styles dictate the development of grooves in pop music, use of space, etc.
yeah he confirmed things that i've only figured out by playing songs i like to dance to -- all the stuff about the way your body moves while playing is really otm. and when he talks about taking out some of the notes so you can have more space -- that totally makes sense wrt dancing as well. i can tell that he feels it. i think some people feel it more than others. he's a good teacher too, esp considering that he has no idea who his audience is.

I wish someone had taught me about all that motion stuff when I was younger. Eventually I figured some of it out but my teacher was an orchestral percussionist and very focused only on the wrists and fingers which I don't think is ideal for drumset.

Totally loving the Yogi video. He's so engaging, and I love how he contextualizes everything. I have to admit, though, I was pretty ia about his movement -- the forearm-centered approach is relatively inefficient, and can result in a lot of wasted motion (and, ultimately, tendonitis in your elbows). But it obviously works for him (and the way he talks about the importance of movement -- both moving and observing -- is something too few teachers do).

just now found out that Dave King (Happy Apple/Bad Plus) is doing a series of drumming videos. he's both one of my favorite drummers and favorite people to hear say words, so let's assume that these are essential viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutJLNk_8bU

yeah i feel like that body movement business in the Yogi video is only useful if you already have your finger/wrist technique down cold, which he obviously does.

it's similar to Dave King actually, who uses his entire body in very expressive ways, although all the actual stick control is happening at a very micro level.

dying @ the "getting your facial expressions together" bit

i finally watched the end of the yogi horton video
he is otm about pushups and physical fitness in general

i'll watch dave king next i guess
i need some more input so please keep posting these!
lol @ "play it with an animal bone" seems like a good guy

Early on in my drumming, I got advice that I took a little too literally that weightlifting was bad for your drumming -- I think this really only means lifting ultra-heavy, but I took it to mean weightlifting in general. Only later did I discover for myself that anything I did to strengthen my arms, back, core, legs, seemed to improve my drumming.

weightlifting is great! exercise is also a good time to study.

definitely going to work in some of these rudimental concepts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIPI1OhlQCw

one of my homies (and the one of the best drummers i know) started a drum-centric podcast! looking forward to checking this out: http://www.thetrapset.net/

ooh! will subscribe.
dave king seems like an amusing dude but he needs to stop addressing his audience and referring to drummers as guys.

sick djembe chops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xxs0r8eO4U

Not standard fodder for this thread, but I love the drumming on this so much, especially toward the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkSr8uR-jxg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E

These Nate Smith videos (via Jose James) are required viewing, he is also the best: https://www.facebook.com/josejamesmusic/videos

damn, his right quick on those hats. That was always a weak spot for me.

This is delightful and soothing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W1vI4r5PVU

nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu3zCfvVCdM

wow!

goddamn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfNxLZqR9yU

that dude can do awesome drum things

Giuliana redefining the temporal structure of the universe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I874OgU3qMY

I had never heard of this guy somehow, beautiful soloing! It's like elvin jones refracted through a waterfall or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-mtsu-JOk8

Nice. He's like the house ECM guy, right? I'm not very familiar with his playing tbh.

his playing is excellent, and i love his facial chill

to put it in neutral wikipedia terms:

He, along with Jan Garbarek and Palle Danielsson, was a member of the legendary Keith Jarrett "European Quartet" of the 1970s which produced five excellent jazz recordings on ECM Records.

Been appreciating Ulysses Owens Jr recently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWyztLU4ARg

niice

p sick chops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njy7pMVKJ8Q

Still the best!

This guy is so dumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qMkWFDV8ds

I've been working on open/close a lot lately, jury's still out on whether I can get it reliable, comfortable, and coordinated enough to pull out on gigs.

Let's just keep going here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XN3PxVS5SQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak410L2Z5d8

Love this (esp the Mark Guiliana one at the end where everything keeps falling apart)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DBYl4E2YJI

love it!! i needed this
thank you for posting

this goes on my inspiration board. more drummers need to scream

https://imgur.com/gallery/QDW1KSb

My co-drummer pulling the curtain back on a lot of stuff here, it's pretty technical but also a trove of good information about technique, swing, New Orleans drumming, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb91LwtZEJQ

VERY USEFUL AND INFORMATIVE
thank you for posting!!! i was proud that i understood it and look forward to trying it the next time i practice
really into the groove-based approach

i want to learn more like this

Glad you enjoyed it! I've been listening to & playing with him for years and I picked up a few things too.

I really love the "here's the groove, here's how you can personalize it" teaching approach and playing approach. That's basically what Tony Allen did when I went to his master class! It was really fun and easy to incorporate what I learned from him into my own playing. I am into it!!

*alert* Rational Funk is back *alert*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LwWpMvNuPY

Ok Rational Funk is cool and all, but this reminded me that Dave King truly has the best banter in the music industry

https://www.facebook.com/31969693620/videos/3456413244372231/

I've never really paid much attention to post-Coltrane Elvin, but damn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAz7sTdo90

random youtube find, no idea who this guy is but love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tahvdBsHvLY

Good find!

This guy is pretty funny and also insanely good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFXYEJmO6FY

Drummers are too good nowadays, they should not be so good. I went through this guy's insta after hearing a track from him, really nice stuff.

https://www.instagram.com/mattdaviesdrums/

Also my co-drummer made a tutorial video on playing tambourine in the New Orleans/gospel style, it's really good imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0_d0iDnKk

why is that video so looooooooong

Haha I told him he should release it as a series of shorter ones, but at least there are timestamps. It's a tambourine manifesto. The main technique is like 5 - 9 min.

Kevin Shea made an album of drum pad music
https://kevinshea.bandcamp.com/album/love-letter-to-my-drum-pad?fbclid=IwAR2VNjdwaPCQQP3O0W96jxGAtdnxR4tcXP0KnasXwtPR-qCfPyXc_FAT-60

Drummers are too good nowadays, they should not be so good.

I've been thinking about this statement a lot lately, because it really does feel like there's a proliferation of incredible drummers out on instagram on youtube, people that just like effortless flow from a perfect dilla feel groove to a 5 against 4 against 7 insane prog thing (but that actually sounds good) to gospel chops to perfect pocket funk like nothing, and add in all kinds of creative sound use, great tuning, etc. IDK if it's just because the internet makes us more aware of them, or also that the internet makes drummers more able to incorporate more techniques and styles into their playing, or what. I remember there being a sort of half-pisstake thing in one of John Fahey's liner notes about how the population is larger now so there are more mozarts, and there might be something to that too.

OTM. remember Adam Neely telling me about his buddy (roommate at some point, I think) Shawn Crowder being able to do all kinds of polyrhythms up to those involving 19. That was a few years back so it’s probably higher now.

But what really blows my mind is that there are all these people who can do that WITH GREAT FEEL AND MAKE IT SOUND GOOD, like you can no longer make "chops monster" into a derisive thing because these drummers literally have it all.

Yeah, that too.

Lately I have been into this guy
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIn_F8-BL8w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Also have been really into this woman's drumming for a while
https://www.instagram.com/maddenklassdrums/

every 5 months or so i have a complete meltdown and then speculate about how impossible it is to be a working artist these days, more than ever. because yeah, there are a thousand mozarts running around now, for real, at this moment. and in order for it to make sense for them, financially, they have to compete globally. there are still local scenes and it's possible to make things and sell them locally and to friends and family. but for the most part, you're competing against the internet. part of the promise of the internet was that it would open up the audience, that you'd be able to find some dude across the world, or he would find you, and that wasn't possible until now, etc etc. and that's technically true. but they forgot to throw in the co-efficient of 0.0000001. 0.0000001% of dudes across the world will find you, maybe more like 0.000000001 if we're being real. and you have to be in the top 0.000000001% if you want to make more than $15 off your youtube streams (paintings, sick beats, choreography, whatever). eh, whatever. i'm sure this will be interpreted as a eugenics argument, and/or the point will be made that no artist has ever been successful, there is a long history of artists working for absolutely nothing and hoping that they can break into the 0.000001% of the world that has enough money and cares enough about art to give it to the people who make it and that the internet has actually made things better.

but imagine living in a cave with 200 of your smelly friends, and you are the drummer. or the painter. or the choreographer. there isn't some genius in another time zone who has mastered everything you haven't even learned about yet. it's just you, and since no one else can provide the sick post (pre?) apocalypse beats, the one rich guy in the cave who has access to velvet blankets decides to swaddle you up in one, and encourages you to make more sick beats. because in this cave, there is no internet

edit: not a cave. let's call it a little pond

Excellent post, KM.

it's also true that all the other unknown mozarts were always there, we just didn't know about them because of no-internet. it's cool that we know about them now. it's just, in a way we are also _competing_

i guess all of the above doesn't matter to people who just want to learn a craft and occasionally show off things to their family, or people who do it purely for themselves (if that's really possible - i'm not sure). i guess i'm just in a lifelong battle to be asked to drum on a steely dan album, and it bugs me that the competition is stiff

oh, thanks james. it probably has a million logical holes in it, too. but before i let my pesky critical thinking capability get in the way, that is my honest and persistent "feeling" about it

Karl Malone's allegory of the cave.

and that hits on a funny thing about the way social media works, but especially sites like instagram and youtube that are a weird cross between a "friends" platform and a "public" platform. Like I use my instagram page as a minor creative outlet when I have little micro guitar ideas I want to post, and 95% of the views (if not more) are from people I already know. And I legit think the clips are "good" to the point that someone who didn't know me well might be like "oh yeah, that guy is good at guitar." But they wind up floating in the same sea with ultra-polished, extremely talented and skilled musicians who also post clips where the music is more perfected, the technique is more perfected, even the visual is more perfected, and I feel like, in spite of just mostly wanting to share my music with my friends, I also can't help but want to compete with the pros who are on the same platform, and then I just despair, because I don't have the kind of time to devote to it that it would take to achieve those kinds of clips. And yet there's this illusion that those people are "just like us," just some dude with a guitar in his bedroom, as though that dude didn't attend Berklee College of Music, doesn't practice 7 hours a day, and doesn't regularly get hired for session work. Because what you see is just him in front of a cheap wall tapestry, only it's better lit and shot than your video in front of a wall tapestry, but in a subtle way you almost wouldn't notice.

It's almost like you have a show at a little club that has multiple rooms, and your friends all come out to see you, and maybe a few strangers wander in too, but in the next room over, which is the same size and quality as your room, is Led Zeppelin, only it's a Led Zeppelin that isn't outright famous.

https://i.imgur.com/hQqTfrT.gif

It's almost like you have a show at a little club that has multiple rooms, and your friends all come out to see you, and maybe a few strangers wander in too, but in the next room over, which is the same size and quality as your room, is Led Zeppelin, only it's a Led Zeppelin that isn't outright famous.

whoa that sounds awesome

(as a listener) <-- part of the problem

Because what you see is just him in front of a cheap wall tapestry, only it's better lit and shot than your video in front of a wall tapestry, but in a subtle way you almost wouldn't notice.

to me this is highly related with Google Image Search results. i swear, there was a time when i RELIED on GIS as part of my creative flow. like, i could just search for "old couch" or "christmas 1985 living room" and there would be gold everywhere. realistic, real images, weird things, neverending flows of cool shit that was just there. somewhere along the line, google rejiggered the thing a million times, and now when you search for...anything at all?... you mainly get products, many of them digital (ie., watermarked images for sale), some of them a irl product, and then beneath that, a link to an image that's behind a firewalled site you have to sign up to a mailing list in order to temporarily visit to download the image, or, most often of all, you just end up with an image of a bright, tastefully polite decorated living room, clearly worth north of $5000 for the furniture alone, not to mention the appliances.

i mention this all the time and people just kind of nod, but i think that's BAD! it's bad because google's idea of what a living room should look like starts to get mixed in with my real life idea of what a living room is. to me, first, a living room tells you a lot about the people who live there. they're all unique. they're all interesting. i love living rooms. i do not love 2020 GIS living rooms - but they're starting to become my default mental image of "living room", replacing the cool idea of them that used to dominate.

what does this have to with drumming or making music or instagram? i think there's a similar GIS-gone-to-hell dynamic to the sharing of music performances and productions and "practices" and "riffs" or whatever. the baseline idea of what a drummer is and sounds like starts to hone in on...something?...that is both real (the real accumulation of user-submitted sick beats) and synthetic (the algorithm and what characteristics it rewards, which is something everyone is aware of on some level (i hope) and which we have a kind of shared understanding of, but also something that is inherently hidden and always changing)))))

it's sort of humbling about one's sense of aesthetic/stylistic opinions too. Like I used to have thoughts like "too many guitarists approach things like x, I'm going to differentiate myself by doing y" -- but with the internet you realize there are 1000 other guitarists who agree with you about x and differentiate themselves by doing y, and they do y much better than you ever could, and maybe z too which you didn't even think of.

shoot, forgot to finish the thought, sorry. what happens is that the more grounded, real idea of what a drummer sounds like when they practice, starts to get mixed in with the synthetic/99th percentile-master idea of it. and if you get too connected to that, or if you don't recognize that it's blending in and getting supplanted with something else, then "real life" seems a little shabby when you return to it - the not-sick beats that must be played thousands of times before they can become sick; the living room furniture that has the little fuzzy couch cushion balls all over it, even though the online review said it wouldn't do that.

it's bad! online bad!

also great posts KM

*begins to feel like someone had the same ideas as him about great posts but executed them much better, wonders if he actually attended Berklee School of Posting and practices posting 7 hours a day*

shoot, forgot to finish the thought, sorry. what happens is that the more grounded, real idea of what a drummer sounds like when they practice, starts to get mixed in with the synthetic/99th percentile-master idea of it. and if you get too connected to that, or if you don't recognize that it's blending in and getting supplanted with something else, then "real life" seems a little shabby when you return to it - the not-sick beats that must be played thousands of times before they can become sick; the living room furniture that has the little fuzzy couch cushion balls all over it, even though the online review said it wouldn't do that.

it's bad! online bad!

― Karl Malone, Thursday, December 10, 2020 1:51 PM (nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

And yes, this! Like I will record some grungey, grimey little lick and be like "that sounded really cool." But then after I post it to instagram I inevitably hear some other guitarist do a grungey, grimey lick, but with far more perfect control of the grunginess and grimeyness of it, and also no mistakes whatsoever whereas I have an accidental string mute or hit in there somewhere.

sorry for typos and incoherent thoughts, rambling. i'm typing this while listening to the worst conference call ever of the week and my worldview is getting negative

xp

I approve of this thread direction, good posts KM.

Thinking about it in terms of drumming, it's definitely a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it's great that there's so much information that's available, and not gatekept behind lessons or a music education. It's amazing that you can see how people's hands move (instead of just your one friend in the school band who's decent at drums), get the sticking behind the lick, slow it down to .25 speed, etc.

On the other hand, it really does feel like things are getting homogenized. 'Chops' (fka 'gospel chops' aka crazy linear fills & beats meant to sound like a time-altering flurry of notes) have been broken down & assimilated into everyone's playing, same for the post-Dilla thing. It really feels like these things are so popular because they make for impressive short video content. And whereas the video thing maybe used to be an advertisement for someone to get gigs, it increasingly feels like the goal unto itself? I.e. the endpoint is to make videos and collaborate with other musicians who make videos, and it's a whole enterprise detached from the idea of making music that gets released and listened to as audio. And as much as I don't like the idea of it, maybe that's just what it is.

oh man, i accidentally lost a really, really long post. like i just wrote my senior essay there. i hit back and tried to retrieve it, and saw it, but then accidentally refreshed and lost it again. d'oh.

welp, this will be a VERY rare second draft post, which is good for anyone reading because now instead of 8 paragraphs it's 2.

- related to the whole algorithm/polished/GIS/living room thing above, it ends up influencing the "content" that people make. most of the influence goes toward the more pro/polished/edited "content", as humanity and computers collectively try to figure out the template for "successful content", in the same way that they've already figured it out with superhero films. human behavior is part of the equation, with people seeing more polished content being correlated with success/views/likes, so there's naturally a desire to emulate that. but i think the larger part of the equation, and still growing, is the platform itself. think of "instagram creators", which is one of the saddest bios that you will ever see, especially when it's on a platform outside of instagram. they're instagram creators using instagram's platform and tools, playing within their rules, using their templates, resizing to their dimensions, length, and compression requirements, and reliant on the black box algorithm, which resembles a panopticon to the degree that it runs the show and everyone is aware of it, but its inner workings are proprietary and secretive, perceived by all but always changing. if you're on instagram, you adapt to the platform whether you want to or not. there's no choice. it's like being "not political". in doing that, you make a political decision. i only mention instagram because it's most familiar to me, but of course a similar dynamic is in play across twitter and all the rest.

- but on a more hopeful note, i think all of this momentum toward bland, corporate homogeneity creates more space for more punk, diy, raw, non-platform, however you want to think of it, creative people. open source, in a way. there's a big NEED for that right now, for people to just ditch this bullshit proprietary "creator platform" stuff and set up camp way the fuck to the left of that

xposts thank you jordan and man alive and james for your kind words. i am in high/rambling mode so i appreciate your patience

also, as far as platforms/companies go, bandcamp seems to be cooler than the rest.

i mention that because i'm quitting my job this month and i've been thinking about changing things up, "career-wise". i've been dreaming about trying to start a small music label that is also a radical co-op/non-profit/something else model. would be trying to achieve four things:

a) all revenue beyond basic living wage expenses (see c and d) go toward antifa local mutual aid efforts
b) release physical/digital releases of do-gooder bands, with a brilliant (and tbd) structure that guarantees that the band will at least break even, and could potentially even _make a little bit of money_ from their music.
c) pay myself a living wage, and enough to pay my rent, bills, and student loans. and not a cent more.
d) anyone who gets paid as part of the organization/label gets paid the same amount, no matter who they are. that can either be a salary or a per hour basis.

i mention that because i'm obviously going through my second pre-40s mid-life crisis i anticipate that no matter how non-platform/diy i try to be, i'll probably need something like bandcamp too.

That sounds amazing except for the part where you need to get people to pay money for music, in a sufficient amount to even make back the costs of mastering etc :/

(please don't go into music with any hope of making money!)

definitely. the "brilliant (and tbd) structure" mentioned in part b) definitely goes a long way there, lol

i want to see if i can do it, though. like...what if the person who did the mastering was part of the collective/co-op? and what if pressings/releases only happened once a minimum amount of people indicated that they would like to purchase it? that would lessen the risk. my thought is that most people want to make a bunch of money and grow, but i don't. i just want to pay my bills and set up something that is sustainable and helpful to other people. so maybe the profit-taking part of the equation goes away. (and perhaps there's even a way to somehow make it a non-profit, but i know that complicates things even more). and local bands, generally, just want to release their shit on a label and have a physical release to show their loved ones, but also not lose a bunch of money in the process. maybe there are a few do-gooder bands who would be interested in releasing something for a label that is just trying to raise money for mutual aid.

also, i'm not coming up with this out of nowhere, i've seen that there are do-gooder bands and music people who already support this kind of thing. i started thinking about it after a friend of mine helped put this together: https://chicagocommunityjailsupport.bandcamp.com/album/warm-violet-a-compilation-for-chicago-community-jail-support. it raised $9000 on the first day of release, and people are still buying it.

i'm also thinking about how it would be so cool if the "buy" button was actually the "donate" button, and it tells you exactly how much is going to the mutual aid fund vs how much is going to the artist and the label.

that would be something i would like to be involved with if you decide to push it forward. feel free to email me.

another thought: what if there was a way to purchase music (physical releases, even, most likely in small diy quantities) that also qualified as a charitable act of giving? why does all music have to be locked up inside profitable streaming giants (and again...platforms exerting a growing influence on the content itself)?

xp

thanks NA! and depending on how it goes, i will! it could be a big life move, but i definitely want to make sure that it can actually work before proceeding.

it could also take a very different form. like, i was thinking of how cool it would be release music from incarcerated people, and then for all the proceeds to go back to the prisoners + mutual aid/jail support. it sounds a little wild, but another person on the same team that put together the bandcamp comp is ALSO highly connected with the incarceration/activist world. i haven't talked with her yet but multiple people have mentioned that she would be "VERY, VERY" into the idea, so...yeah.

or...it would probably be something very different than that, or nothing at all.

Ok godspeed then. As I'm sure you know, it's all too easy to only look at the successes (on Bandcamp or elsewhere) and think 'oh, I can do that as well' without knowing all of the irl scene/networks/pr/invisible factors that are behind it. I've seen some great charity comps with amazing musicians that tank on Bandcamp too.

These are cool ideas though, don't let me get you down.

this turned into a really interesting discussion fwiw. Jordan I think what you think sometimes too which is that it seems maybe a bit sad if this is all just self-contained 'content creation,' and it's notable that the video you posted at the start of it was a joke about getting fired from gigs for trying all that stuff on stage. And I can't think of any of these people who are also in really great bands that I like, whereas the drummers in really great bands I like tend to keep things a lot simpler (and really how often during the course of a show or album would you want to hear those kinds of insane fractal fills?). Of course maybe that's just a nice story I tell myself to not feel inadequate.

Also KM, I applaud your idea, but I think if you do something like that you should do it more for spiritual, humane and awareness-raising reasons, because music is about the worst possible way to raise money for anything unless you have big names and a marketing budget off the bat.

Yeah, I would of course prefer to be able to play all that stuff and then choose not to. :)

To bring it back around, this is a youtube drum thing that has been sticking in my mind lately, a simple reminder to play like you give a shit and imbue every backbeat with confidence & intention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-1vs2xbH8

luckily, i have an in on the upcoming sonic youth reunion album

i appreciate the feedback! i'm still working through it - calling it a "music label" is probably a really misleading way to put it. it would be more like a co-op service for creative people, designed to replace the most expensive/privatized parts of the process with diy/co-op/in-house. if there is just one do-gooder with mastering skills and equipment, that could be their contribution to the co-op service. sure, that contribution would be much more important than most other people could provide, but that's part of a normal community. it's normal for people who have lucked out in life to subsidize those who haven't (yet). i think there must be someone out there who, miraculously, is financially secure but also still wants to be in a community with people who are not. or, probably much more likely, there is someone out there with those mastering skills/equipment who is NOT financially secure, but is a do-gooder and therefore is going to sacrifice some of their own personal wellbeing in order to help out a bunch of other people, anyway. in my experience, creative people are a) almost always broke and also b) generous with their time and energy. the trick is to find these people, and i already know some of them so that makes me optimistic

a simple reminder to play like you give a shit and imbue every backbeat with confidence & intention:

Yeah I have very strong feelings about this -- that more broadly you should really enjoy and feel emotion about everything you play, and if what you're playing is very simple and "boring" then you should try to vibe with what you're accompanying and just enjoy the way your simple beat supports it. I think a lot about the way someone like Nick Mason plays - no matter how simple he's playing, it always sounds like he's really listening to and vibing with the rest of the band, and it's hard to say how I know he's doing that, it's just in the feel of the drumming, even in between the fills (which he typically only puts at the end of phrases, keeping the rest of the beat simple). Or even simpler, Ralph Molina. I also think a lot about the drums on Don't Let It Bring You Down, almost minimalist, yet there's a lot of feel and emotion in them.

what the crap is going on in here?

Thinking about it in terms of drumming, it's definitely a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it's great that there's so much information that's available, and not gatekept behind lessons or a music education. It's amazing that you can see how people's hands move (instead of just your one friend in the school band who's decent at drums), get the sticking behind the lick, slow it down to .25 speed, etc.

NOT GATEKEPT is a key phrase here
maybe it's because i have had to maintain delusion-levels of belief in myself to progress as a drummer, or some other reason, but comparing yourself to others is a superhighway to feeling like shit. play like you feel it/be a conduit for the spirit and you may not ever be recognized but at least you are playing music in a way that is enjoyable and i think that is the point. ralph molina otm, he was one of my early role models. in case you wondered, i started playing 7 years ago this June. yes that much time has passed.

Had some actual lols at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLg6aM3c7U

not a drummer: what is that loofa thing on his snare?

probably just for dampening (real pros use a wallet)

this video is cracking me up

just like his funny faces, and stuff, more than anything. i like this guy and his loofa!

xp I don't know what it's called but it's like this little collection of fake shells strung together that you shake for effect (used here to dampen the drum/add effect).

i assumed it was for dampening but it seems so convoluted for that purpose

esp a fan of "diarrhea of the hands," a phrase I think will enter my lexicon, and being highly interactive with the soloist, died at that one

Love Zackgrooves, his channel has been a good replacement for Rational Funk.

He's just ridiculously good but has his head on straight about everything (and is goofy & funny obv).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc6i6liFJ84

Don't know where to put this etc....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E

lol that made the rounds years ago

i never get sick of it though

I feel very strongly that that drummer is at the right gig

Lol, was thinking the same thing.

Increasingly getting my drum jollies on instagram rather than youtube.

Monstrous and insanely creative percussionist I follow
https://www.instagram.com/akhamie.music/

This guy is my favorite rn though
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNpZKs6HT5u/

https://www.instagram.com/stevely_man_drums/

Hadn't ever paid much attention to James Gang or their drummer Jimmy Vox, but this is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo0vBdlWQs0

*Fox

Been getting into this French dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QABXwWOVOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slHhwUY8hmA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty_y_2INYgo

Ok I'm pretty into the 'Everybody Want to Rule the World: Metric Modulation' challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F88Z4Tts4gY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-4cErugi8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEBOIuUKO1w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RuVGHL-N78

great stuff indeed

Funk/jazz legend Dennis Chambers hearing Tool's 'Schism' sans drums and then taking a pass on drums a few minutes later. Pretty funking cool and kinda wild that what he came up with at points really is not all that far from Daney Carey's take. Dude heard this like once and then played this...yikes what a drummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVwyAsU4dus

ha i loved that video

Yeah, that was fun.

Already posted something by Rafael Barata a while back, but nothing by Edu Ribeiro who is an equally big monster and stage presence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPp6mZht230

That is the first tool song I’ve ever heard, all the way through

I’m with Dennis, “not my cup of tea”!

Tool (If You Think It's Over)

wow that Ribeiro vid is something!

feels like a missed opportunity to not let us hear the tool track without drums, but still a cool vid with Dennis too

sick counting chops with Mike Mangini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ37nonagho

I've been trying to avoid that Dennis Chambers/Tool video because the algorithm seems intent on me clicking it, but here's what I've been into:

-This Swiss kid who's a fantastic bebop drummer, that's a big thing I've been working on lately: https://www.instagram.com/peterprimusfrosch/

-Joe Farnsworth's insta/youtube posts

-This Japanese kid is who just ridiculous, doing the modern linear post-Chris Dave/JD Beck etc thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uo6Gkv2YLQ

This Swiss kid who's a fantastic bebop drummer

This Japanese kid is who just ridiculous, doing the modern linear post-Chris Dave/JD Beck etc thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uo6Gkv2YLQ

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I kind of hate this tbh, it's good chops but it just feels like a pointless exercise in how many different ways a beat can be subdivided. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with the tune he's playing over, not even in the most abstract/oblique way (other than being in 3)

I get what you're saying, the ubiquity of linear post-gospel chop style playing can all sound the same, it's meant to sound like a blur of displaced notes that miraculously resolves on the 1. But I'm pretty into this style that's more based around the backbeat, with all the skittery subdivisions in between. It's definitely not easy to make it groove (and I've noticed that the Louis Cole/JD Beck trick of putting splash cymbals or household items on all your drums really helps even out the sound between them, it makes it easier to play these beats and have it sound like a cohesive thing).

That video might not be the most musical example, but I think the point of the video is to show how many ways a beat can be subdivided. :) It's basically a backing track and he's got some fresh ideas. The culture of internet virtuosity has its problems, but I watch these for inspiration and to find a little something in there I can practice/incorporate.

A couple more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81-6sUmUpHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OolnA7ElNpU

I love the Tears for Fears Metric Modulation challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEBOIuUKO1w

haha, I see we've already been over this and, in fact, may be where I learned about it XD

Caught...in an ILX drum machine time loop!

There are so many young players out there that have just flat out samarai skills, it's scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iIf4tFoyE

It really is. Not only is there so much information out there, but just having the opportunity to watch great drummers at any moment makes such a difference. And there's something about seeing kids in their bedroom doing it that makes it seem much more attainable.

Like, I really need to immerse myself for some things to sink in, and I think I could have been soooo much better when I was younger if I had Youtube. Instead I only got to see someone with good hands at drum lessons or at shows, when there was also a lot of other things going on.

I'm more focused on guitar than drums these days, but I definitely learn and master things more easily and quickly now with youtube than I did in my teens/20s. I spent so much time flailing around trying to figure out how to do things. I don't think I wasted it per se, because I think I learned a lot from all that flailing, it just wasn't necessarily an efficient or effective way to learn when I wanted to develop specific skills/sounds/techniques.

Anyway there are guys that do that hyper-subdividing thing really interestingly and well. I mean I like Chris Dave, but he also grooves so hard. And I've been really into this guy Steve Lyman for a while now, and he definitely does that, but he also has a really poetic flow and it seems purposeful.

there's a fine line between doing that in an interesting way and being the @zachgrooves "diarrhea of the hands" guy

I was just watching Steve Lyman, he's great. I think that's a huge disservice to ZackGrooves though! He can do the gospel chops thing but he knows what it is, and if anything he downplays it. Out of anyone he can play that intricate linear stuff with such pocket and conviction, and can also be a very tasteful jazz drummer. Idk, I've found his videos to be really inspirational and I bet he's only minutes away from getting some legit gigs.

Matteo Mancuso is a guitar version of these young ninja players. That dude's got some crazy unique picking technique that even has guys like Al DiMeola and Steve Vai going how the f' do you do that? And going by some videos, he kinda had most of the mechanical part down as a teenager.

Mike Mitchell is entirely too much, man. Just raising the bar so high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uri8hvC4Ddo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agWHe71VAvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apDcFEmz0E

Can't remember when I last heard someone hit so cleanly and precisely, it's like the hovering of some enormous insect. His rhythmic language is an order of magnitude more complex than I can process, but it's fun to try to keep up ...

Right?! I try to at least pick out one tiny little thing that I can understand & use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrmrlTtd3s

another one of those rad "drummer plays a song after hearing it once" drumeo videos with todd sucherman from styx playing foo fighters "rope." i instantly fell in love with this guy's playing, so much energy yet so fluid

Yeah, I've never listened to Styx but I've seen some of his other videos and he's ridiculous.

Subtle, tasty chops and communication courtesy of the youtube algorithm

Dan Weiss & Ari Hoenig duet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sumZqkZPvto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl4E7lfE9EA

ilan rubin playing "the perfect drug"

Love to see a lefty on a righty kit, he's killing it

Mike Bordin from Faith No More always had an unusual setup. He's left-handed, and plays left-handed, and the drum set is set up for a righty, with the exception of the China and the ride, which are on the left.

Yep that's the standard open-handed setup (see also Billy Cobham, Louis Cole, etc).

I'm a weirdo in that I'm a lefty that fully learned to play right-handed, but I more recently taught myself to play certain grooves with fast hi-hat parts left hand-lead. My independence isn't as good so I have to be careful about what I play that way though, which is annoying. And my right hand has come a long way, but will probably never be as naturally good as my left. Wish one of my teachers would have started me off open-handed!

i am left handed
started drumming late
play in trad right hand style because it was easier to learn by myself
personal fave lefty drummer: Hamish Kilgour (RIP)

yes i am still at it!!

Hell yeah! Btw I've never heard the Clean, what's a good starting point?

I was reminded today that Questlove is one of the few drummers our same situation (left-handed, but learned and plays righty). And his right hand is not slacking at all so I really have no excuse.

as far as the Clean stuff I like most, I would watch this live performance -- the camera zooms in on the drums and you can see the crowd is feeling it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaZe_aIIfg

Anthology is as good a place to start as any imo.

xpost Ringo is a lefty who learned and plays righty.

Oh right! And he has beautiful technique, from the bit of the Get Back doc that I was able to see.

TIL that Stewart Copeland is also a lefty who plays righty!

Nate Smith on the two piece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oin8V3iVCv8

Happy that ZackGrooves is hitting the drum youtube bigtime. Although based on the tracks he's playing from his album, I also hope that at some point he makes a record that I want to listen to without video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmh_oVykeyE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJQKKdJZeyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywazRYgsbis

fucking finally: a decent drum cover of our lady peace's cancon classic "automatic flowers" on youtube. i'm gonna learn this crazy thing

bumping this thread even though my question is not about sick chops, sorry

anyone read this?

https://circularscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Drum-tuning-bible.pdf

anyone have another fave resource?

Holy shit I just got introduced to that anonymous drummer that goes by Delta Empire. Chops so sick people are convinced they're a pro having fun. Mostly metal/hard rock/industrial, super technical, but sometimes fun, too. So on one hand you get stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_dlCC47WxQ

But sometimes you get this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_f2WcAz74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMBRjo33cUE

i know i'm ilm's resident chad smith defender but this video is so fucking good, he just locks right into it

As much as I often hate what RHCP adds up to, yeah he's got great technique, huge sound, tons of little nuances to his playing. I often think the video of their Rock & Roll HoF performance with other former RHCP drummers -- it's one thing to see him on his own, but in comparison he's such a powerhouse.

Also check his Dua Lipa play through. Total charmer, that Chad Smith.

Also check his Dua Lipa play through. Total charmer, that Chad Smith.

i know i'm ilm's resident chad smith defender

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You will never take my crown

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thx for sharing that ivy - love those drumeo vids

hate the drumeo channel and the losers who run it

ok! i have found them really helpful as someone who is mostly self-taught. they just did a "guess a drummer from their isolated drumtrack" thing and it was sooo fun

Also check his Dua Lipa play through. Total charmer, that Chad Smith.

These Chad Smith videos were awesome, made my day, thanks. I tend to agree with Jordan, although I might have said Flea was the only one I’ll really take, at least until today.

other drummers probably disagree but anytime I can play 4 on the floor I am doing that, it is the best thing to do with a bass drum

Ugh this guy is ridiculous. I've seen his videos but it's actually more impressive when he breaks it down. Nothing more humbling that keeping a simple ostinato going with the feet, see how much of your shit you can play then!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STE5ro6w2FU

Sam isolated "Obstacle 1" snip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4yIuBpqE-Y

Always liked the syncopated 16th note bass drum fills (~14s-->), straight out of Bonham's "Kashmir" breakdown.

Jimmy Chamberlin crushing some straight ahead
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0m6FKFuIVy/

That was awesome, thanks!

Smoke from Rare Essence going off on the congas

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35hCiBM70Y/?igsh=MWJ1ZGkzbWJpOGM4eQ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8unEVgBji0

Walter Perkins playing the melody on a bendy ride cymbal @ 3:55

incredible

that's some of the earliest extended technique i've come across (but I'm no expert)

I guess it depends how you define that. Papa Jo Jones used to play with his hands and fingers and alter the drum pitch by pressing the head.

Only tangentially related but last week Greg saunier ended the deerhoof set by playing with his hands for the last 5 minutes or so. It looked very painful - he was thwapping the crap out of the kit

If I had to guess, what we call extended technique today is probably as old as the original vaudeville trap kits.

Yeah agreed, it was just deployed in more of a show biz entertainment capacity rather than serious free music sounds. Watching the likes of Papa Jo Jones & Sonny Payne it feels very playful and not beholden to the conventions of the drum kit (which is a truly ridiculous instrument anyway).

One of the purposes of the drum kit was to do live sound fx, so that called for all kinds of stuff beyond what we think of as standard playing today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGsr83p3Ad8

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