Marcos Carvajal
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-marlins/article196701969.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
Former Padres and Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers
https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/01/30/kevin-towers-diamondbacks-padres-gm-dead
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
http://img.ecomplatform.com/scs/images/products/116/large/oscar_gamble_autographed_8x10_photo_cleveland_indians_8x10_photo_certified_authentic_signature_p452380.jpg
oscar gamble
http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/01/31/70s-star-oscar-gamble-passes-away-at-age-68
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
As mid-'70s iconic as Elton John or Patty Hearst or anybody.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
Very nice piece by the guy who wrote Big Hair and Plastic Grass.
Oscar's immortal quote, "They don't think it be like it is, but it do," was in reference to the insanity and dysfunction of the Yankees clubhouse under George Steinbrenner and Billy Martin.
http://www.bighairplasticgrass.com/big_hair_and_plastic_gras/2018/01/a-fro-tastic-farewell-oscar-gamble-rip.html
― clemenza, Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:26 (six years ago) link
“It be like it is” > “It is what it is”
― Andy K, Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:59 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtExewJMh8A
^ video from that link. looking at his initial stance (mentioned in the link) it makes me thing of the truism (?) that most major leaguers end up in the same place before they swing
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:01 (six years ago) link
My favorite story about the ufortunately late Oscar Gamble was when he popped up and his manager reminded him every player was supposed to take the first pitch unless there were a runner in scoring positon. "When I'm in the batter's box," replied Oscar, "I'm in scoring position."— Peter Gammons (@pgammo) February 1, 2018
― Andy K, Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:21 (six years ago) link
Wally Moon, Cards/Dodgers slugger who was NL ROY in 1954
http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-wally-moon-20180210-htmlstory.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 February 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
tito francona, 84
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
Jack Hamilton, pitcher 1962-69, who fatefully hit Tony Conigliaro.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22572124/jack-hamilton-former-mlb-pitcher-hit-tony-conigliaro-pitch-dies-79
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 February 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
Sammy Stewart, pitcher 1978-87, who spiraled into addiction and prison
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22645839/ex-baltimore-orioles-pitcher-sammy-stewart-dies-63
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
Ed "The Glider" Charles
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ed-charles-member-1969-miracle-mets-dead-84-article-1.3877376
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2018 04:12 (six years ago) link
Jay Jaffe on Ed
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/r-i-p-ed-charles-who-followed-in-the-tracks-of-jackie-robinson/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
Charles was always eager to talk about his brushes with Jackie Robinson, starting with the sighting in Daytona Beach in 1946.Charles also recounted a story of how he later spotted Robinson, who was by then on the Brooklyn Dodgers’ roster, on a train.The Dodgers were in Florida playing an exhibition, and Charles and several friends “peered through openings in the fence,” he recalled in “Carrying Jackie’s Torch: The Players Who Integrated Baseball — and America,” by Steve Jacobson (2007).After the game, the Dodgers prepared to leave from the railroad station.“So now we’re walking down the platform, looking in the windows trying to see where Jackie was seated,” Charles said. “Finally we come to the right coach, and there is Jackie, playing cards. We waved and, you know, he waved back to us.”“Then the train starts pulling out,” he went on, “and we start slowly walking with it, just waving to Jackie. The train picked up speed. We kept running and waving till the train got out of sight.”“Things like that, you know, I can recall so vividly,” he said, “because they were very special moments in my life and in the life of the country. It was like the Messiah had come.”
Charles also recounted a story of how he later spotted Robinson, who was by then on the Brooklyn Dodgers’ roster, on a train.
The Dodgers were in Florida playing an exhibition, and Charles and several friends “peered through openings in the fence,” he recalled in “Carrying Jackie’s Torch: The Players Who Integrated Baseball — and America,” by Steve Jacobson (2007).
After the game, the Dodgers prepared to leave from the railroad station.
“So now we’re walking down the platform, looking in the windows trying to see where Jackie was seated,” Charles said. “Finally we come to the right coach, and there is Jackie, playing cards. We waved and, you know, he waved back to us.”
“Then the train starts pulling out,” he went on, “and we start slowly walking with it, just waving to Jackie. The train picked up speed. We kept running and waving till the train got out of sight.”
“Things like that, you know, I can recall so vividly,” he said, “because they were very special moments in my life and in the life of the country. It was like the Messiah had come.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/obituaries/ed-charles-a-mainstay-of-the-miracle-mets-dies-at-84.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 16 March 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
Wayne Huizenga
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2018/03/23/wayne-huizenga-former-owner-marlins-dolphins-nhl-panthers-dies/452969002/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 24 March 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
le grand orange, 73
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 March 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
Oh damn, that's gonna put a damper on things in Queens.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 March 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/in-memory-of-rusty-staub-one-of-the-most-underrated-players-in-baseball-history
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 March 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
I remember Staub mostly in his later days mostly pinch hitting for the Mets. I seem to remember him being a tough out as with that choked up batting stance he seemed to be able to foul off tough pitches at will.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 March 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
Carl Scheib, who debuted pitching for the Philadelphia A's at 16 in 1943
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/93562fe6
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:40 (six years ago) link
Dave Garcia, baseball lifer
When David was 11, his father died, and his mother went to work in a shirt factory to support her five children. He helped out by selling newspapers in downtown East St. Louis.
Garcia signed a contract with the St. Louis Browns in 1938. Sent to its minor-league team in Springfield, Ill., he was hit in the head by a pitch and did not return to play for more than a year. He subsequently tore up a knee while playing in Lake Charles, La., and broke a leg in Eau Claire, Wis. ...
Finally healthy, he had a strong season in 1947 with the Sioux City Soos, then took on the dual roles of player and manager, first with the Knoxville Smokies in Tennessee 1948 and then the Oshkosh Giants from 1949 to ’53.
...A hard-hitting second baseman in the 1940s and ’50s, Garcia managed many of the teams he played for. But Major League Baseball was not calling him. So, with his family growing, he retired as a player-manager and moved into scouting — then returned to managing in the minor leagues, adding Fresno, Calif., and Salt Lake City to his late-1960s travels.
But as he entered his 50th year, the majors finally beckoned. The San Diego Padres hired him as a coach in 1970, a stint that he followed with two managing jobs: first with the California Angels and then with the Cleveland Indians.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/obituaries/dave-garcia-mlb-manager-minor-leagues-dies-at-97.html
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 May 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link
bruce kison, 68
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2018/06/02/Former-Pirates-pitcher-Bruce-Kison-dies-at-68-world-series-1971-1979-baltimore-orioles/stories/201806020081
― mookieproof, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
'71 WS is the first i remember watching, RIP
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 June 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link
Kison's big game wasn't quite my first WS game, but close--remember that more than I remember '70. Kind of amazed he was still there in '79.
― clemenza, Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:18 (five years ago) link
Red Schoendienst, at 95
― WilliamC, Thursday, 7 June 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/hall-of-famer-red-schoendienst-dies-at-he-was-mr/article_d32f81fe-c286-5023-8667-10b0fc89b206.html
― WilliamC, Thursday, 7 June 2018 01:27 (five years ago) link
rip Red
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 June 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link
Dutch Rennert
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23837561/former-national-league-umpire-laurence-dutch-rennert-jr-dies-88
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 07:06 (five years ago) link
best strike call
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 10:16 (five years ago) link
didn't hit the big leagues til he was about 43
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 11:21 (five years ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/video/rennert-on-his-umpiring-career/c-503830783
― omar little, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
Billy Connors
https://www.mlb.com/news/billy-connors-former-pitching-coach-dies/c-282156366
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 June 2018 04:34 (five years ago) link
The Hall of Fame remembers former @Pirates first baseman and longtime trainer Tony Bartirome, who passed away on Friday. pic.twitter.com/DT7Y6NlKZQ— Baseball Hall ⚾ (@baseballhall) June 26, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
Yosh Kawano
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-cubs-yosh-kawano-dead-20180626-story.html
― omar little, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link
Tony Cloninger
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24221679/former-pitcher-yankees-coach-tony-cloninger-dies-77
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
Johnny Lewis, who played with the Cardinals and Mets from 1964-67
― Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 01:01 (five years ago) link
John Kennedy, utility infielder for the Senators, Red Sox, and '69 Seattle Pilots
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=kennejo03
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
Looks like there are a lot of references to Kennedy in Ball Four though I don't have a copy here.
― timellison, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
i was gonna ask... i remember the tail end of his career, but not if Bouton wrote about him.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
Aaron Cox (Mike Trout's brother-in-law), retired minor league pitcher passed away at age 24.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
I often want to locate a quote in Ball Four and bemoan the lack of an index.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
Billy O'Dell, two-time AL All-Star pitcher
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24663912/ex-big-leaguer-billy-odell-won-105-games-majors-dies-85
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
loooong-time scout don welke, 75. 50 years in baseball, most recently with the padres
Don Welke, the veteran baseball man, was the scout who convinced Blue Jays to draft a Flint, Mich. high school left-hander in 1985. The final words of a very thorough report: "Has no right hand." (Jim Abbott went to Michigan instead.)— Tim Brown (@TBrownYahoo) September 20, 2018
― mookieproof, Thursday, 20 September 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
Peter Bjarkman, historian of Cuban baseball, pioneer and pal, died suddenly yesterday, of a heart attack in Havana. I will miss him. https://t.co/kLDM58lfN4— John Thorn (@thorn_john) October 2, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
Saw him at SABR in NYC last year. This year's Cuba Ball tour just concluded, he must've been visiting with it.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
new york times scribe dave anderson, who was the last writer to leave the ebbets field press box
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 October 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link
longtime giants broadcaster hank greenwald, 83
https://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Longtime-Giants-broadcaster-Hank-Greenwald-dies-13330066.php
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
former pitcher/longtime pitching coach bill fischer, 88
in 1962 he threw a record 84 1/3 consecutive innings (for the kansas city athletics) without issuing a walk
The Royals are saddened to announce the passing of Senior Pitching Advisor Bill Fischer. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family. Fish touched so many lives during his career, not only with the Royals, but through his eight decades in pro baseball. pic.twitter.com/bkZCrF80Fb— Kansas City Royals (@Royals) October 31, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
It is with great sadness that we announce that San Francisco Giants Legend and Hall of Famer Willie McCovey passed away peacefully this afternoon at the age of 80 after losing his battle with ongoing health issues. #Forever44 | #SFGiants pic.twitter.com/ooOYg4ESol— San Francisco Giants (@SFGiants) October 31, 2018
Willie McCovey, 80
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 November 2018 00:13 (five years ago) link
Between the '30s and the PED era, his '69 season was a benchmark offensively.
― clemenza, Thursday, 1 November 2018 00:35 (five years ago) link
Checked that, and his '69 is indeed the highest OPS+ year (209) in that gap by someone not named Williams or Mantle.
― clemenza, Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
He showed up in 1972 healthy and raring to go, and homered on Opening Day off Houston’s Don Wilson. In the season’s fourth game, San Diego’s John Jeter ran into McCovey at first base, fracturing Willie’s right forearm. ("I feel like I killed Santa Claus," Jeter said.)
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/2a692514
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
Posnanski just posted a McCovey entry in his countdown (#89, obviously bumped up or down because of his death), and he reminded me of one of my favourite moments in Ball Four:
"Hey Willie," Jim Bouton said to McCovey as he and what he called "a group of terrorized pitchers" watched McCovey smash terrifying home run after terrifying home run in batting practice. "Can you do that every time?"
McCovey, Bouton said, did not even smile.
"Just about," he said.
― clemenza, Friday, 2 November 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
Apparently we failed to note Marty Pattin, AL pitcher 1968-80, mostly for the Royals (and a Seattle Pilot), who died last month.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article219466410.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
Another Ball Four guy...Line I think I remember: "Marty, how do you hold your gopher balls?" (which Bouton felt bad about after he said it).
― clemenza, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
RIP Fred Caligiuri — the oldest living former @MLB player — who died Friday at the age of 100. Pitching for the Philadelphia @Athletics, he faced Ted Williams on the final day of the 1941 season when he hit .406. Read Caligiuri's #SABR bio: https://t.co/LtLS5ngBou pic.twitter.com/G9YwJj8S1A— SABR (@sabr) December 3, 2018
― mookieproof, Monday, 3 December 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link
Former Major League Baseball players Luis Valbuena and Jose Castillo were killed in a car accident on Thursday night, a spokesperson for their Venezuelan team, Cardenales de Lara, confirmed.
Valbuena was 33. Castillo was 37.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 7 December 2018 08:13 (five years ago) link
CARACAS, Venezuela -- Former major league players Luis Valbuena and Jose Castillo were killed in a car crash caused by highway bandits who then robbed them, officials said Friday.The 33-year-old Valbuena and 37-year-old Castillo died late Thursday when their SUV crashed as it tried to veer around an object on the road, Yaracuy state Gov. Julio Leon Heredia said on his Twitter account.Officials said some bandits place or throw objects on highways to force vehicles to stop or crash so they can rob the occupants. Heredia said four people have been detained after being found with property of the athletes.Valbuena and Castillo were teammates on the Cardenales de Lara team in the Venezuelan winter league and were returning from a game in the capital when the crash occurred en route to the city of Barquisimeto.Third baseman Carlos Rivero was in the car and survived, according to the website BeisbolPlay.
The 33-year-old Valbuena and 37-year-old Castillo died late Thursday when their SUV crashed as it tried to veer around an object on the road, Yaracuy state Gov. Julio Leon Heredia said on his Twitter account.
Officials said some bandits place or throw objects on highways to force vehicles to stop or crash so they can rob the occupants. Heredia said four people have been detained after being found with property of the athletes.
Valbuena and Castillo were teammates on the Cardenales de Lara team in the Venezuelan winter league and were returning from a game in the capital when the crash occurred en route to the city of Barquisimeto.
Third baseman Carlos Rivero was in the car and survived, according to the website BeisbolPlay.
― omar little, Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link
Joan Steinbrenner, widow of Boss Bullshit
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link
The Hall of Fame remembers former @Orioles, @Twins, @Angels, @RedSox and @Tigers outfielder Lenny Green, who passed away on Sunday. pic.twitter.com/lf6tAS8d48— Baseball Hall ⚾ (@baseballhall) January 8, 2019
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link
Rick Down, former NYY/NYM coach
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/ron-kantowski/ex-yankees-hitting-coach-rick-down-dies-at-home-in-las-vegas-1569683/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 January 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
mel stottlemyre, 77
― mookieproof, Monday, 14 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
Very interesting career. Helped along by his era a career ERA under 3.00, retired at 32, never had a really bad year (three mediocre ones, never terrible), won 20 three times and lost 20 once, hit 40 WAR in a short career. And his son gets credit for the worst slide in the entire history of baseball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVt84YGtfGo
― clemenza, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link
also unusual in that he was the Yankee ace when they won nothing (after his rookie year), then was pitching coach for the WS-winning Mets
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 January 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link
Like a lot of guys in the early '60s, AL especially, he would have had a real good shot at a Cy Young in '65 if not for Koufax: 20-9, 6.9 WAR, 291 innings for the first lousy Yankees team (6th place) in ages.
― clemenza, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
(Actually, no--McDowell would have been a cinch, even with fewer wins.)
― clemenza, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
Tom Hausman, pitcher in 160 MLB games 1975-82, and the first FA signed by the Mets
https://www.davisfuneralservices.com/memorialpage.asp?page=odetail&id=99311&locid=48
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 January 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link
R.I.P. Jim McKean, legendary umpire and Canadian Baseball Hall of Famer https://t.co/HoYqMnUUuv By: Kevin Glew (@coopincanada ) pic.twitter.com/JGtXPfbnph— The Canadian Baseball Network (@CDNBaseballNet) January 24, 2019
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
damn, RIP
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link
Pirates pitching ace Bob Friend
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25917999/bob-friend-pirates-leader-innings-starts-ks-dies-88
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 February 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link
frank robinson
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy07TNjU8AEDiUB.jpg
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link
fuck
― omar little, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
I once told Frank Robinson I was at Fenway in 1970 when he made great extra-inning catch in RF. “Yeah, and the next day I hit back-to-back grand slams off a couple of Joes,” he said. Thought it was a baseball term. Nope: He hit ‘em off Joe Coleman, Joe Grzenda on June 26, 1970.— Steve Buckley (@BuckinBoston) February 7, 2019
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:30 (five years ago) link
ha! that's a good story. RIP Frank Robinson. one of my earliest baseball memories was a book about the players who had hit the most home runs, so i was aware of him from an early age and always think of the number 475 whenever he was mentioned. it wasn't til later that i appreciated what a well rounded player he was, and his groundbreaking status as the first black manager in MLB.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link
er....586. 475 was musial and stargell. shit, i'm starting to lose my baseball stat knowledge.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
saw Frank play in his single year with the Dodgers, 1972
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 February 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link
i still remember from my first MLB book the top ten HR hitters: Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Robinson, Killebrew, Jackson, Schmidt, Mantle, Foxx, McCovey.
― omar little, Thursday, 7 February 2019 22:15 (five years ago) link
I have this loose definition of "sporting god" when I try to think of which ones are still alive. Basically the inner-inner circle HOF'ers whose peak years were in the '50s and '60s, before television and big-money skyrocketed (e.g.: Unitas, Bill Russell, Howe). Robinson fits the definition. Mays, Aaron, Koufax, Jim Brown, Palmer, Nicklaus...the list continues to dwindle; I'm guessing there are under 10 still around.
― clemenza, Thursday, 7 February 2019 23:51 (five years ago) link
I don't think Eckerskey gets the point being made here.
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/dennis-eckersley-silences-bill-james-over-frank-robinson-tweet
― clemenza, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:17 (five years ago) link
Bob Gibson: "As a rule, I'm reluctant to express admiration for hitters, but I make an exception for Frank Robinson."
― clemenza, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
xpost as the article mentioned, it wasn't misunderstanding the point that was the problem, it was the timing:
The immediate aftermath of Robinson's passing might not have been the best time for this discussion, though.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
I remember my dad was at this Giants-Mets game at Shea Stadium, and loved Frank's hard-ass attitude:
"A passage in The Baseball Codes describes Giants reliever Jim Barr, upset at being pulled from a game by manager Frank Robinson in 1983:
Frustrated, Barr didn’t wait for his manager to reach the mound before flipping him the ball—a clear act of insolence in the hard-edged presence of Robinson, who made it clear to his pitchers that they were to hand him the ball as they departed.
Barr planned on storming to the dugout, but was interrupted when Robinson caught the baseball, grabbed the pitcher by the arm as he tried to pass, spun him around, and dragged him back up the hill to await (reliever Greg) Minton’s arrival. Robinson had been the league’s most fiery player, and his managerial furnace burned nearly as hot.
As the duo waited for Minton to arrive, Robinson told Barr exactly what he thought of his stunt, poking a finger into the right-hander’s chest to emphasize his point. . . . On the mound at Shea, it was hard to miss the battle brewing, and the New York fans looked on in delight. All four members of the Giants infield raced in and surrounded the pair in an attempt to calm things down.
Barr didn’t help matters when he decided that if he wasn’t allowed to leave until Robinson gave him permission, he wouldn’t leave at all. This meant that when Minton arrived at the mound he found two people, Robinson and Barr, standing between himself and the catcher, which made it somewhat difficult to warm up. “It seemed like five minutes,” said Barr, “even though it was probably only ninety seconds.” Robinson finally led Barr back to the dugout, at which point both pitcher and manager had to be restrained from going after each other."
https://thebaseballcodes.com/2010/06/14/forget-godot-wait-for-your-manager/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link
you got it?
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/manager-frank-robinson-of-the-san-francisco-giants-gets-news-photo/845718940
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link
(xpost) I now see that...Robinson's '66 MVP/Triple Crown is a large part of his legend. If you've got a statistical tool that casts doubt on the MVP-worthiness of that season (and I don't mean for this to be an anti-WAR thing, not at all), I don't think there's anything wrong with saying no, he was indeed the league's MVP that year, and saying so on the day of Robinson's death. I often flinch at some of the nasty things that get posted about people the day they die, but this seems to me to be the opposite of that.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 February 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
says something about how much baseball has changed: I'd never heard of Jim Barr, but he threw 64 CG and 20 shutouts in his career. He started 252. while Justin Verlander (to cite one example) has thrown 24 CG and 8 shutouts and started 419. Fellow deserved future HOFer Max Scherzer's career totals of 10 and 5 in those categories fall just shy of Barr's 11 and 5 in 1974.
― omar little, Friday, 8 February 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
One last thing I came across: in his first AB in his first game as player-manager, Robinson homered.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 00:30 (five years ago) link
don newcombe, 92
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link
great pitcher for a minute. his military service maybe caused him to miss out on the HOF? Might be a stretch, but he wound up missing two years and there was a third where he scuffled upon his return back. Bookended by 19 & 20 win seasons before he left, and 20 and 27 win seasons once he regained his form. Could have finished with over 200 wins and made a better case for enshrinement.
― omar little, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link
damn
https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/List_of_living_Brooklyn_Dodgers_players
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:13 (five years ago) link
Erskine is the last Brooklyn star left.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
i don't think newcombe has much of a HoF case stats-wise, but winning a RoY/Cy/MVP and having songs written about him as the first (?) black pitching star goes a long way imo
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link
well, Satchel Paige became an MLB star a hair earlier, no?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link
i don't really know how paige was thought of at the time, but i think his MLB career was mostly a footnote -- he was already in his 40s, didn't start many games, didn't play for marquee teams
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
well yeah the thing is Paige was already a legend when he put the Cleveland uni on.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
There are a lot of things that made Don Newcombe awesome, but my favorite baseball thing is probably him going to Japan, at 36, as an outfielder, and slugging .473 for Chunichi.— Kevin Goldstein (@Kevin_Goldstein) February 19, 2019
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
damn, RIP don newcombe. :(
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
Paige appeared w/ CLE in '48, but was not used consistently as a starter as Newk would be the next year, as mook said. Started 7 games, threw 2 shutouts, relieved 14 times, plus got 2 outs in the World Series.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 04:59 (five years ago) link
growing up in the NYC area, read a lot about Newcombe in the papers and The Boys of Summer in the early '70s, around Jackie's death. As one did, since most of the writers had covered the departed teams.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 05:05 (five years ago) link
boston globe writer nick cafardo, 62, died today at the red sox's spring training park in fort myers
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 February 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link
For the past 34 years, one guy who was always terrific and on top of it, always worth a giggle, as well as a meaningful phone call, and who always was the best of professionals and colleagues, was Nick Cafardo. And I am sick to my stomach and going for a long, long walk. https://t.co/UvVgpTAkFA— Lynn G. Henning (@Lynn_Henning) February 21, 2019
― Andy K, Thursday, 21 February 2019 21:15 (five years ago) link
It is with a heavy heart to report that former #PeoriaRedwings catcher, Terry Donahue passed away last night at the age of 93. She was one of the Canadians who came south to play in the #AAGPBL from 1946 - '49. Please keep her family and friends in your thoughts and prayers. pic.twitter.com/Hqqridfyx6— AAGPBL Official (@AAGPBL) March 15, 2019
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 March 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link
RIP Chuck Harmon, 94, African American baseball pioneer who broke the color barrier for the Cincinnati @Reds in 1954. He was also a basketball star at @ToledoMBB who played and coached hoops professionally. Read his #SABR bio: https://t.co/6gwQvJKvcw pic.twitter.com/LwFxkeRW76— SABR (@sabr) March 20, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:39 (five years ago) link
bill buckner
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 May 2019 20:46 (four years ago) link
RIP BB
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 May 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
In a statement, Mookie Wilson says he and the late Bill Buckner developed a friendship that lasted over 30 years. The two will forever be linked in history."Bill was a great, great baseball player whose legacy should not be defined by one play," Wilson said.— Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo) May 27, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 May 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link
When we started on our fourth day of provincial grade 3 testing this today, it became evident, after about five minutes, that I had totally messed up the first two days. They were supposed to do two language sections last Tuesday; they did one. Two more on Wednesday; they did one. You'd think I would have figured out that something was amiss--both days I was in the staff room complaining about how much time they'd been given to do so little. I had to call the principal to my room this morning: "Um, I've got an emergency."
My little tribute to you, BB.
(I'm being unfair, I know--he was a good hitter who, because of the era he played in, was sometimes mistakenly viewed as a great hitter.)
― clemenza, Monday, 27 May 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
On Sunday, the last full day of Bill Buckner's life, 16 major leaguers struck out at least three times. Buckner played 22 seasons and never did it once.— Tyler Kepner (@TylerKepner) May 27, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 May 2019 22:05 (four years ago) link
Some of my earliest childhood memories of watching baseball was Jack Brickhouse announcing "Billy Buck" lining frozen ropes down the right field line in Wrigley.
If you watched Bill Buckner play much, you would obviously see a guy that maximized his skills and with the 2 days of stubble on top of the handlebar mustache and eye black, the guy had the clutch hustler dirty uniform look down that fans come to love. On top of this, by all counts his knees were totally screwed and he pretty much played over a decade on bad legs.
To err is human and Bill Buckner seemed to be a decent human being pretty well centered considering having to deal with that World Series play.
Bob Stanley and Calvin Schraldi should have thanked Buckner for years that most fans probably outside Boston forgot their part in the Red Sox collapse.
― earlnash, Monday, 27 May 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
Right--Buckner's error let in the winning run in a game that had already become a nightmare. The sequence before the error--singles by Carter, Mitchell, and Knight, then the wild pitch--was the real catastrophe (something I thought at the time).
― clemenza, Monday, 27 May 2019 23:18 (four years ago) link
I watched that ending happen and it was craziest end to any playoff sporting event to that point I had ever seen.* One thing that would be interesting to see is the odds of winning the game and how it changed play by play. That type of graph is pretty easy to find these days, but I have never seen it for that game.
Less talked about than the Cubs/Marlins game, I think the Rangers collapse against the Cardinals being down to the last strike lord knows how many times to win the series in 2011 was pretty awful. It doesn't have that iconic play, but it was just as big a a belly flop failure.
*I'd say for mid-80s, Flutie's BC hail mary against Miami and NC State's tip in against Phi Slamma Jamma were pretty unexpected too. I seem to remember the Dwight Clark catch being a bigger deal after the Sports Illustrated magazine came out with that amazing picture than when it happened in some ways. I do kinda remember Reggie's 3HR game in the World Series, but was too young for Fisk's HR.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
if you scroll down a bit, you can find a win expectancy graph for the game here: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198610250.shtml
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
It doesn't have that iconic play
a lot of cardinals fans would point to the david freese walk-off HR
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:24 (four years ago) link
https://sp.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/editorial_image/f1/f1a2ffa4922626ec6aa3ecb26c5e14a3/cardinals_put_rally_squirrel_on_world_series_ring.jpg
― earlnash, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 01:17 (four years ago) link
Fully aware of Buckner's limitations, the strikeout contrasts to today really are amazing. From Posnanski:
In 1980, the year Buckner led the league in batting, he came to the plate 615 times. He struck out 18 of them.
Bryce Harper has struck out 19 times in the last two weeks.
Joey Gallo struck out 207 times in 2018.
Bill Buckner struck out 205 times in the 1970s. The whole decade.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link
(I will preemptively add that no, I would not take Buckner over Harper--obviously.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
i never actually saw the BB misplay at first. as i have probably recounted here somewhere, i was already lying flat on my back, staring up at the ceiling, as a result of the hits and of schiraldi. for me, it was already all over. it was so obviously all slipping away. my dad had to come back to the bedroom and gently break it to me what had happened. it barely registered. i already knew, somehow.
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
What I remember most, besides Mookie Wilson barely fouling off a few pitches before the grounder, is that with one out, I think, NBC announced that Boston's Marty Barrett was the World Series MVP.
Also when the Mets won, my dad and I didn't celebrate, but just stared at each other; we couldn't believe it.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
Marc Okkonen, uniforms expert
https://uni-watch.com/2019/05/29/marc-okkonen-1933-2019/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 June 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
Frank Lucchesi
https://www.lonestarball.com/2019/6/9/18658598/frank-lucchesi-former-texas-rangers-manager-died-92
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
that book about the '70s Texas teams Seasons in Hell is a doozy
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
Tyler Skaggs has passed away. We do not have details yet about how he passed, but tonight's game between the Angels and Rangers has been canceled.— Levi Weaver (@ThreeTwoEephus) July 1, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
what the fuck
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
awful
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
omg that's horrible
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 July 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
just shy of 28, pitched on Saturday
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
good bio piece, RIP:
https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/this-mlb-pitcher-gets-it-from-his-mama/88403
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
Jay Jaffe remembers Jim Bouton, personally. (I was at those SABR panels mentioned, in 2006 and 2017.)
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/pitcher-author-everyman-hero-jim-bouton-1939-2019/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 July 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Joe Grzenda, who threw the final pitch in Senators history (and kept the ball), dies at 82 https://t.co/2nvj9OfzV5— Post Sports (@PostSports) July 16, 2019
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
Pumpsie Green--never would have guessed he was still alive.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/obituaries/2019/07/17/pumpsie-green-black-player-red-sox-dies/s7L4dEAIq14aThFN7mnu0N/story.html
The obituaries emphasize that he was the first African-American on the Red Sox, but I think--I might be wrong--they were the last team in the majors to integrate.
― clemenza, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
They were the final team to integrate (in 1959 -- the Globe article mentions this)
His appearance on the roster had followed picketing at Fenway Park. In spring training that year, Mr. Green hit .400 and was hailed by some reporters as the “camp rookie of the year.”
But to questions about whether Mr. Green would make the team, owner Tom Yawkey said: “The Red Sox will bring up a Negro when he meets our standards.”
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 18 July 2019 07:45 (four years ago) link
We are heartbroken to report the passing of Rob McQuown. Rob has been a pillar of Baseball Prospectus for a decade, and we are devastated by this news. We will pass along more information and appropriate tribute in due time. For now, please join us in grieving his loss.— Baseball Prospectus (@baseballpro) July 17, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 July 2019 10:46 (four years ago) link
7-foot-1 dutch reliever loek van mil, 34
― mookieproof, Monday, 29 July 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
In the 2017 WBC, he faced Israel’s Nate Freiman (6'8") in what was believed to be the tallest batter-pitcher matchup in baseball history.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 July 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
RIP to original Met, Al Jackson, who passed away earlier today. pic.twitter.com/nOdjJOxzLx— New York Mets (@Mets) August 19, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 19 August 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
also returned in '68-69
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2019 21:46 (four years ago) link
more to come
https://ktla.com/2019/08/30/angels-pitcher-tyler-skaggs-died-of-alcohol-fentanyl-and-oxycodone-intoxication-choked-on-his-vomit/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
terrible
i wonder if he was seeing an unscrupulous doctor who overprescribed or if someone on the medical staff of the Angels is pushing oxy. it's an awful drug.
(i recently revived the oxycontin thread on ILE and it was...interesting...to see how willing at least one ILXor was to give advice on how to take it to get high...)
― omar little, Friday, 30 August 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
team connection is suspected
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
Detroit Tigers statement regarding the passing of Chace Numata: pic.twitter.com/H6TCAQO1S8— Detroit Tigers (@tigers) September 2, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 September 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
Skateboarding accident
― Andy K, Monday, 2 September 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
Chris Duncan, a 2006 #STLCards World Series champion, has passed away at the age of 38. Our thoughts are with his friends and family. pic.twitter.com/CBWbvGsayc— FOX Sports Midwest (@FSMidwest) September 7, 2019
― Andy K, Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:36 (four years ago) link
Whoa, wtf?
― I am also Harl (Karl Malone), Saturday, 7 September 2019 05:55 (four years ago) link
Charlie Silvera, Berra backup and coach
https://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Charlie-Silvera-San-Francisco-native-and-14426637.php
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link
former syracuse chiefs president don waful, 103
he was captured by the germans in tunisia in 1942 and spent the next three years in POW camps -- much of it with davey johnson's dad fred at the oflag 64 camp in poland
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 September 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
Masaichi Kaneda, winningest Japanese pitcher
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2019/10/06/baseball/japanese-baseball/japans-time-wins-leader-masaichi-kaneda-dies-86/#.XaHSkkZKiWY
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link
shortstop jackie hernández, 79, who amassed -3.9 bWAR over nine seasons and had the assist on the final out of the 1971 world series
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
umpire eric cooper, 52. did the yanks-twins series two weeks ago.
― mookieproof, Sunday, 20 October 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
jeez; gather ye rosebuds.
'71 WS was the first i remember watching (most of). RIP Jackie.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
I watched the '71 Series intently and have zero recollection of Jackie Hernandez...I thought Gene Alley was the SS then.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
Alley played 882 innings at short that year, Jackie 574.
Alley had only 3 PA in the World Series, don't know if he was hurt.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link
Can't find any clarification on that, but this would seem to be Hernandez's other biggest moment:
"A month before the World Series, Hernandez was part of another historic moment on Sept. 1 when Pirates manager Danny Murtaugh started a lineup consisting only of African-American and Latino players. The Pirates beat the Philadelphia Phillies, 10-7, that day at Three Rivers Stadium."
― clemenza, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
Hernandez was considered a top defensive SS, at least by Murtaugh and Clemente. He and Alley were the same age though.
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/887d2ec2
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
former dodgers/expos/etc player and mariners announcer ron fairly, 81
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
def saw him play at Shea in the '70s
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
Flagship Jay, and I think the first Jays-Expos player.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
Think I misused "flagship"...original Jay (1977).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
'the only player to represent multiple non-US teams in the all-star game'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
Vera Clemente, widow of No. 21
https://www.mlb.com/news/vera-clemente-passes-away
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link
Irv Noren
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/6d0657d1
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
twins prospect ryan costello, 23, of 'natural causes'
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/18/us/minnesota-twins-prospect-ryan-costello-dead-trnd/index.html
― mookieproof, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
Unnaturally young.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 November 2019 22:59 (four years ago) link
scholar/author Dorothy Seymour Mills
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/dorothy-seymour-mills-who-received-belated-credit-for-husbands-baseball-books-dies-at-91/2019/11/20/c6df24d4-0baf-11ea-8397-a955cd542d00_story.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
former pitcher and phillies scout will brunson, 49
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/will-brunson-dies-suddenly-rip
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 02:38 (four years ago) link