do we have a 2005 trade thread yet?

diaz isn't much of a sweetener for me.

and i have no clue. they probably had at least half a dozen options at second; they apparently chose to ignore all of them.

Freel
Lopez
Griffey
Dunn
Randa
Pena
Casey
Catcher Of Choice
Eric Milton Pitching To Eric Milton

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/323834p-276814c.html

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/atlanta/Treeatl_175x250.jpg

I'm sure they could put together a package for Burnett/Encarnacion, but I don't even think Encarnacion alone would get Kotsay from the A's, since Oakland wanted Cano/Duncan for him before they went on that winning streak.

Chad Bradford, due to come off the DL today or tomorrow, to Boston for Jay Payton. To be announced during/after the All-Star break.

Scenario one: bad news for Kotsay who made a reasonable extension request, may be 1:2-3 trade bait ala Hudson/Mulder.

Scenario two: bad news for Byrnes who the Yankees have warmed up to.

Scenario three: A's field 5 true outfielders for the first time in how many years?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/08/SPGSVDJVP31.DTL

BTW what is "gate"? surely you mean the http://www.sfgate.com/templates/brands/chronicle/images/chronicle_logo.gif

Yomiuri placed Kapler, who is batting just .153, on its inactive list more than a month ago.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-athletics-redsoxtrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

Byrnes to the Yankees?

WTF do you trade for payton??!!!!!!!!!!!!???!?!??!?!?
-- Jams Murphy (SCOTT_BORA...), July 8th, 2005 11:31 AM. (ystrickler)

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Defense dude!
-- gygax! (gygax0...), July 8th, 2005 11:38 AM. (gygax!)

Byrnes is a goner.

Payton starts in LF.

Take a deep breath.

Payton played like crap for my Padres and was pretty terrible his entire career except for his Rockies year (wherein he hit well at home AND on the road, but whatever).

"The Rockies are also discussing a trade with the Oakland A's that would send outfielder Eric Byrnes to Colorado for starting pitcher Joe Kennedy and relief pitcher Jay Witasick."

sheesh, o's could've used some of that sweet lovin...not to mention that they had witasick in camp and cut him.

i think it's a dumb move.

According to the Sun-Sentinel, Ricciardi has been in touch with Marlins GM Larry Beinfest and told him to check back with him before dealing Burnett elsewhere.

i mean if the yanks were offered burnett for wang (who actually has a statistical profile v similar to chacin), i'd want them to do it in a heartbeat.`

i'm guessing chacin is a classic high-80s "crafty lefty", right?

ding ding ding, with extra special emphasis on "cheaper". i have no problem trading chacin for a bona fide #2, but i don't think burkett's it.

Also, Halladay's injury is irrelevant here, because if you're going to sign Burnett to a 3-yr extension starting in 2006 (and are not trying to make a WS push in 2005) then Halladay being on the DL for one month means nothing in the long run.

I see no reason to trade a healthy, younger, cheaper guy who might not be in his prime yet for an oft-injured, older, vastly more expensive guy with better, but far from excellent numbers.

24 is old for a rookie pitcher dude.

that's the key point here john. i am totally open to arguments that burnett is a superior pitcher in every way, but is the difference between them really worth $10m? almost definitely not.

also understand that toronto has a long and sordid history of getting the short end of the karma stick when it comes to trading for and/or signing pitchers with injury problems. the list is long and painful: al leiter, mike sirotka, luke prokopec, joey hamilton, erik hanson, etc etc etc...

Besides the obvious arm issues with Burnett,another unknown thing about his pitching is how he would perform in the heat of a pennant race, especially in NY. I thought Javier Vazquez and Jeff Weaver were the kind of pitchers the Yanks should be going out to get, pitchers with talent coming into their age prime, but both of them flamed out in NY.

With these kind of trades, you might end up:

Rick Sutcliffe, Cubs 1984
-Team won division
-Won the Cy Young
-Gave up Joe Carter and Mel Hall

Mark Langston, Expos 1989
-Pitched well
-Team didn't win the divison
-Gave Up The Big Unit in the trade
-Langston left as a free agent

Doyle Alexander, Tigers 1988
-Pitched well
-Team won division
-Team gave up John Smoltz

Zane Smith, Pirates 1990
-Pitched well
-Team won division
-Team gave up Moises Alou (I remember part of them putting him in on this deal was the Pirates front office screwed up and had no more options on Alou, couldn't send him back down to the minors, so they had to give up their best OF prospect as a throw in player to be named later.)

How many washed-up/oft-injured pitchers do they need?

sox cough up some loose phlegm in a 3 way w/ san diego & fla and acquire burnett and lowell. something like alvarez, shoppach & arroyo w/ arroyo & shop going to FLA and alvarez to san diego; marlins get sean burroughs as well. fuckin hell & high horseshit.

ps SOX PWN RIVERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

o's get: burnett, daryle ward
marlins get: julio, penn/bigbie, mark redman (maybe steve kline)
buccos get: lowell, penn/bigbie, cash money (some reports have them taking on sir fat sidney and more cash money)

A.J. Burnett to the Sox? Both varieties, Red and White, made their "final pitches" according to Florida sources. Nothing's final until the deadline, so expect this to be revisited. The Red Sox offered Bronson Arroyo and Anibel Sanchez while the White Sox offered Damaso Marte and Brandon McCarthy. There's a third team in the mix, believed to be the Rangers.

New York Daily News: "GM Omar Minaya expects to be a buyer before Sunday's trade deadline, and the Mets' interest in former Yankees All-Star second baseman Alfonso Soriano is 'hotter than people think,' said a source close to the situation... There also have been rumblings in recent days that the Mets are considering obtaining Dodgers lefty Odalis Perez, whom they briefly pursued as a free agent last winter."

Newsday: " The Mets' only hope to land Alfonso Soriano is if Texas falls out of the race. 'They are buyers now,' one Mets exec lamented about Texas."

(sosh is back up again; they seem to think the sanchez offer is very possibly legit. or they aren't up in arms about its possibility, anyway)

I hope Nevin accepts the deal. I gotta think that Fat Sidney could maybe return to form (pun intended) in the friendly confines of Petco, and it's not like the Padres don't have 1B options who aren't (a) always injured and (b) overpriced.

Sanchez has been amazing, but let's not forget that he just got promoted to AA. 14.2 innings is a tiny sample size, age be damned. He's a late 2006/2007 callup, in all likelihood - there was a SoSH thread that compared his stats to Seung Song's when Song got flipped a few years back. If he turned out like that, him + Arroyo for Burnett would be a coup.

All of that said, I like Sanchez a whole lot and hope the Red Sox don't make the trade, even if Arroyo does project to be a ROOGY the rest of the year if he's pen-bound. But if they did make it, I'd understand. You know what they say about pitching prospects.

Well, it seems like the Giants, Dodgers, Rockies and DBacks are trying their hardest to help them.

The 1973 Mets won their division with a 83-79 record, went to the WS, and lasted seven games with the A's.

Florida not trading Burnett ...for now.

Red Sox talking to Twins on Mueller and Millar for Romero and Mays.

"Jeff Weaver would demand an extension if he's traded, but that might not dissuade the Orioles."

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millar OPS: .744
morneau: .770

mueller's road OPS in '04 & '05 (roughly): .670 (yeah he's better than that)
cuddyer's '05 & career OPS: .729, .753

cuddyer and morneau of course are both much younger.

Mueller -- 43/43/.711
Cuddyer -- 28/52/.546?!

Friday, July 29, 12:40 a.m. ET: The Alfonso Soriano rumors took a new turn as Bruce Levine of ESPN 1000 in Chicago says that a deal bringing Soriano to the Cubs is close. Levine also said that the Cubs would move Soriano to left field. Sources on both sides of this deal deny any discussions.

YESSS, do it CUBS! This could mean they'll keep Dusty, the darling of overrated walkless veterans.

Carroll has Bosox making a push for Wagner.

Friend of BP Bruce Miles has a couple interesting notes in his latest column at the Arlington Daily Herald. He says the Cubs aren't talking with the Angels about Corey Patterson and that the Cubs' interest in the Soriano deal might not be focused on Soriano at all. The Rangers and Mets could get the Cubs involved another way, moving Cliff Floyd to Chicago in return for a couple of their pitching prospects (Sergio Mitre? Todd Wellemeyer?) moving to Texas. My best New York source doesn't like this deal--"It leaves a hole in the outfield for the Mets"--so we'll keep listening.

Sounds like Ramirez / Baez (Mets), Huff / Cameron (Sox), prospectsorama (DRays) is pretty close to a done deal. I personally wouldn't want to give up Shoppach and Sanchez to downgrade at two positions, but I guess you do what you have to do to get out of Ramirez's contract.

Someone should also John Hart that the Rangers probably don't need another bat.

Didn't we all think this guy was a genius when he was with Cleveland?

And GOD PLEASE let that Manny deal die.

Timid caller: "But, uh, isn't giving up Manny, Anibal Sanchez, and Kelly Shoppach kind of a lot for a second-rate closer and a guy with a .760 OPS?"
Sarandis: "MANNY IS OWED 64.2 MILLION DOLLARS. MANNY DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY HERE."
Timid caller: "But, uh, doesn't Manny do this every year?"
Sarandis: "MANNY IS OWED 64.2 MILLION DOLLARS. MANNY DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY HERE."

If there was any doubt that the media had totally turned on him - this after a few morons booing during his at-bats tonight was somehow played like he'd become Sheffield incarnate or some such nonsense. Move along.

Sox get Larry Bigbie
Rockies get Kelly Shoppach and Adam Stern

There has to be someone else coming over from Colorado (there has to, right?), but no word on who yet. Possibly Shealy.

Perhaps Mazzone will turn Hulk Farnsworth into the next Goose Gossage.

The inability of some of the worst teams in baseball to get into a market that favored sellers and and improve their organizations for 2006 in beyond is probably the biggest story other than the lack of moves. The Devil Rays and Chuck LaMar, in particular, should absolutely be ashamed of their performance. Keeping Aubrey Huff and Danys Baez and Julio Lugo does nothing for their outlook in the short or long terms, and they squandered an opportunity. Chuck LaMar will likely say they couldn’t get enough–and as thoroughly as these things get covered, it is impossible to know exactly what names are being discussed in each negotiation–but at some point, you have to get something. Those three players’ entire value to the team was in what they could bring to the 2007-09 editions of the Devil Rays, the ones with B.J. Upton and Delmon Young leading the way. August isn’t going to save them; all three players are positive contributors with reasonable contracts who have virtually no chance to clear waivers.

It’s time for the Rays as an organization to acknowledge LaMar’s complete failure at his job over nearly a decade and move in a different direction.

The Reds again failed to do anything notable, no surprise for an organization that has had four outfielders for three spots for three years now and has refused to address the problem. They couldn’t clear that logjam, or make minor deals for some of their veteran relievers. The Pirates dealt Lawton, but couldn’t move Jose Mesa or Mark Redman. The Royals didn’t find a taker for Mike Sweeney. Just six real sellers, more than a dozen motivated buyers, and yet LaMar, Dan O’Brien, Dave Littlefield, and Allard Baird combined for one deal in the last seven days before the deadline. The job security of these men, none of whom has assembled a .500 team or made dynamic moves in that direction, is mind-boggling.