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Who cares if the playoffs are still going on? Everyone knows the Yankees are going to win. Again.

Any Cubs / Yanks A-Rod swap better involve trading the "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" sing-along for Kate Fucking Smith.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently the Padres are interested in Adrian Beltre, which I just don't understand.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand anyone being interested in Adrian Beltre.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

For what its worth, Beltre kicked the shit out of the Dodgers at home when the Mariners rolled through here, so he'd allegedly be good in all those NL West contests at the Ravine.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

if the yanks trade a-rod, they're more fucked than i thought.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

If the Yanks trade A-Rod for Aramis Ramirez and a good pitching prospect (Rich Hill?), I don't think they're fucked at all.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a betting man, but if I weren't, I'd change my ways and drop a hundred on Cashman outwitting Hendry.

― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

The Yankees need multiple starting pitchers (i.e. Daisuke Matsuzaka + who else?)

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Ken Macha complaining that Beane told him to play Bobby Kielty over Mark Kotsay vs. lefties, Macha refused.

Kielty v. Lefties: .325/.358/.607
Kotsay: .265/.293/.410

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 22 October 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah that complaint doesn't make Macha look real bright.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 22 October 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

I feel bad for Macha cuz he got really eviscerated in the press and by his own players, but he's never exactly distinguished himself so he doesn't have much to argue for his great managerial skills.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 22 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

And apparently Kotsay owed it to Macha to keep his mouth shut because he remained in the lineup.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

LOL MAYBE IF HE DIDN"T WEAR GLASSES HE COULD SEE THOSE NUMBERS AMIRITE

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

The Yankees need multiple starting pitchers

Schmidt

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

re: beltre
the m's and padres have a long history of shlub-for-shlub trades, so i could see it.

― jergins (jergins), Sunday, 22 October 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

JAMIE MOYER
$10.5 M / 2 YEARS

The quest for 79 wins begins!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

For the Fillies.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

hey, is mikeoptins pulling Cashman's strings? also, Mulder, Ted Lilly and Ray Durham for Mets? Glavine & Maddux back to Atlanta?

"If the Yankees do deal A-Rod, they will 'go after a guy like Mark DeRosa' because Cashman is said to admire the University of Pennsylvania product's grit, ability to play several positions, and desire to win at all costs."

http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1161579748.php

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

He discovered this during a particularly cutt-throat game of Battleship last off-season.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

omfg i would poop my pants until they were full of magic if maddux came back to atlanta. glavine can come too i guess.

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Why not get back Neagle and Schmidt while you're at it.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

and the rokr

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

How difficult is it to go after a guy like Mark DeRosa? Is there a shortage of league-average 'tenth man' players?

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

One's with grit and a determination to win?!? They are rare like mint copies of first issue of the Avengers.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

How difficult is it to go after a guy like Mark DeRosa?

Well, you would have to have a tradeable commodity. Who are the Yankees going to trade to get DeRosa? The Rangers need pitching, and unless the Rangers are giving up Hughes, Wang or Proctor they don't really have anyone I'd take were I the Rangers' GM.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Or you could just sign another free agent. Aging multi-position players with a .730 lifetime OPS are not exactly the Golden Eggs of baseball.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

DeRosa was 58th in the AL in hitter VORP last year, but you'd think the Yankees would know he's not gonna do that ag ... oops. Tony Womack.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sheff pissed Yanks exercise option on him (to trade him, most likely). Then you shouldn't have signed it, nitwit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639001

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I think he just doesn't want to play first base. After watching him try, I don't blame him.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Rob Neyer: (1:03 PM ET ) Well, you have to understand, that Gary Sheffield never has attained the maturity of, say, your typical college freshman. So this seems about par for the course.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Keith Law: (12:05 PM ET ) I think the Padres' front office, or at least some of its members, realized that there's no way Bochy could produce enough value to earn the $2 million or so he was going to want after all this courtship by other clubs. He's a terrible in-game, tactical manager, and while he gets high marks for player management and media relations, he can't possibly be good enough in those areas to overcome the fact that he can't manage his roster.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

I basically agree with that except for the fact that the Padres routinely have bad players on the field, and he has consistency overachieved with those bad players, and subsequently earned a lot of revenue for his owners. If the Padres are going to try to become a perennial competitive team, fine. If they're continue to play with a 60mil payroll, uh, hey guys, the manager isn't the problem.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Bochy helps Bonds pick new team

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 30 October 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Matt (St. Louis): With the Cardinals having over $30 million to spend this offseason who will they look at signing? The rumors out of St. Louis is we are looking at Schmidt?

Rob Neyer: (12:10 PM ET ) Seems like a great fit, considering TLR's history of success with veteran pitchers. But as I wrote in my column, THE biggest story of this off-season is going to be the huge contracts the free-agent pitchers get. And there are more teams with money than free-agent pitchers.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

barry bonds says words, they have nothing to do with his thoughts, they are just subjects and predicates in his mental kingdom

DYING OVER HERE

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

thats right i bust you up, who are you, coming here saying you've coached the padres, who are they, the padres have nothing to do with barry bonds

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I've ever laughed so hard.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Sides hurt again

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

FIVE BILLION PAZOOZAS

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Angels to pursue Zito in spite of having Lackey, Santana, Escobar, Weaver, Colon and Saunders on hand. In the same article it says the Halos are also going hard after Gary Matthews Jr. Enjoy that one, Stoneman.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I think they're planning on turning Santana into Alex Rodriguez.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Ron Washington (longtime Oakland infield coach) took the manager job for the Rangers.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'm happy for Ron even if I am sad for the A's infield defense.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Pedro: "To go back I have to recover. I have to be healthy. But if God doesn't want that, then I would have to think about giving it all up."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2648747

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

I read that Heilman was the subject of trade talk with the D-Rays.

haha pwn3d AGAIN!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe they're trying to get Kazmir!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Heilman + Lastings!

(+ FIVE BILLION PAZOOZAS)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox are starting to look smart for not signing Pedro to a four year deal. It didn't take a crystal ball to foresee that he'd have some serious injury issues during the length of that contract. They'd look even smarter if Clement had turned out to be a decent pitcher.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Shasta, you dingaling, I think with Mota gone for 50 games and Sanchez coming back from the injury they are going to have to get some kind of keystone in a deal for Heilman.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

like victor zambrano?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Clement WAS an awesome pitcher. For about two months in 2005.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

Until he got drilled in the head basically.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

Iwamura officially available to MLB

― The Piper at the Gates of Brown (Andy_K), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

who was that motherfucker... matsui... no, the other one. Yeah, Iwamura sounds like him.

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

Ford has lost, right? My dad called for Corker like two hours ago.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.prosportspictures.com/images/mlb/baltimore-orioles/2005/05-sammy-sosa-studio.jpg

― nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

He is rested

― The Piper at the Gates of Brown (Andy_K), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

He's probably had a coffee enema, too. He is MR. CLEAN.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

I BELIEVE IN MIRACLE

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Padres to hire Bud Black. Seems like a safe, uninspired pick.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Padres trade Josh Barfield for 3B prospect Kevin Kouzmanoff and SP Dr. Andy Brown of Everwood, CO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2654211

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

'Splain this Lucy. I dont understand how this is a big upgrade at 3B. Upgrade over Russel Branyan maybe, but so what? I also thought Barfield was pretty solid at 2B.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Great trade for the Indians, it looks like.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

Barfield was fine but the market for 2B guys is plentiful and cheap, whereas the market for 3B is scarce and expensive.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Then again, there's something to be said for actually keeping your young guys and building a team instead of cobbling together a bunch of dudes from other teams every year.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Kevin Kouzmanoff and SP Dr. Andy Brown

I can't be the only person who mentally joined these two names and thought some wacko team had traded for Kevin Brown.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

Team building is one thing, but when you can repopulate your team with Gileses, now that's something.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps Gilles Peterson can be the in-house DJ.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

damn poly you're dropping some serious references today. i got sick of everwood but that one girl was kinda fine though.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

[haikunym, check the XTAL thread on noizepickleboard]

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

i got sick of everwood but that one girl was kinda fine though.

I stopped watching after the first season, but it was schmaltzy goodness.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder J.D. Drew opted out of the final three years of his contract Thursday, making him eligible to become a free agent.
"He led the club in RBIs. You just don't snap your fingers and find another player like that," Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said on a conference call. "He wants out, he can have out. He's moving on, we're moving on. We'll find players who like playing here. If he doesn't want to be here, he has the right to leave, and he's exercising that right."
Colletti said he was told Monday by Scott Boras, Drew's agent, that this move was a possibility. Then, Colletti said, he awoke Thursday to find a message on his cell phone from Boras giving him the news, which he received officially by fax in the afternoon.
"You learn in this business never to be surprised," Colletti said. "I'm surprised how it came down. Everything we had heard, everything that had been written led us to believe the player loved being here."
Drew, who turns 31 this month, hit .283 with 20 homers and 100 RBIs last season -- his second with the Dodgers. He signed a five-year, $55 million contract on Dec. 23, 2004, and had been guaranteed $33 million over the next three years with Los Angeles.

lol i hope his best offer is 3 years/18 million

― gear (gear), Friday, 10 November 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

'8-7

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 10 November 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

And with that JD Drew has made enemies with another entire city.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 10 November 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

I also think Scott Boras made enemies with Ned Colletti today. If we offer arbitration to his clients who Im sure wont accept it (Drew, Maddux, Gagne), we stand to pick up some serious draft picks.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 10 November 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

plaschke will blame de podesta

― gear (gear), Friday, 10 November 2006 06:22 (nineteen years ago)

"He led the club in RBIs. You just don't snap your fingers and find another player like that."

OH COME ON NED

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Plaschke did blame Depo, but also thanked him for ushering the pasionless Drew out of LA.

Colletti is being a poopy pants about it tho. And I think Im wrong about getting draft picks for Drew.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Drew must really hate playing in LA, because I'm not sure he gets three years and $33million at 31.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he was tired of being described as a hiring mistake by the Plaschkes of the world when he leads the team in RBI and is arguably the best offensive player on the team.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

I want to know the real story here! Boras isn't stupid, he has to be talking to another team (Mets? Boston?) that's going to guarantee his client more that 3yr/$33M.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

...Detroit?

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, Drew and Maggs are similar offensively, and in age and injury history. Maggs is at $15M/yr. (through 09/10) which is probably what Drew will be making.

Is it a significant upgrade in defense?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

One thing I know is that JD Drew will not be filling the vacancy for a left fielder in San Diego, as Kevin Towers has quietly removed all Scott Boras players from his team now that Barfield is gone.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. Drew's solid enough to slide Maggs to DH for many games. He also gets on base and has more plate discipline than most of the current lineup. Left-handed, too. As long as either Monroe or Thames is still around, there wouldn't be too much risk.

The absolute most perfect fit for the lineup is Teixeira. Don't know if the Tigers could swing it. Nate Robertson plus Fernando Rodey plus a couple decent prospects? (I don't think I'd consider a trade with Bonderman.) Rangers probably wouldn't take it, and I don't really know what they need to begin with.

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

and I don't really know what they need to begin with.

Pitching!!! (same as it ever was)

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Rangers need pitching. They always need pitching.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

So I was sort of correct on the possible needs! And who doesn't need a durable left-handed power pitcher?

The Tigers need an actual play-every-day, get-on-base, good-hitting first baseman.

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

They still might have that in Shelton!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Sheffield to the Tigers?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Depending on who they have to give up that's a good fit for the Tigers.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Sheff would be reuniting with Leyland.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the only problem is that he's 642 years old or whatever. I hope they aren't giving up one of their starters, unless it is Rogers haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

They still might have that in Shelton!

I think playing him months through that extreme slump, only to eject him to AAA and leave him off the post-season roster, screwed him up beyond repair.

Dombrowski would be bonkers to give up a starter in a deal with Sheffield. Another good fit offensively, but I'd almost rather see them go for Carlos Lee or Soriano.

A one-year Bonds deal could be great (and hilarious). It would be timed perfectly for Magglio to slide over to full-time DH and open up a spot in the OF for Cameron Maybin in '08. However: "Barry Bonds with the exception of his knees and other joints would like to play again for Jim Leyland, however Barry Bonds' knees will not play in Detroit during the months of April, June, May, and maybe parts of July and September unless the Detroit Tigers were to add a retractable roof to Comerica Park."

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Dude:
#19 in MLB LFs in innings played (comparable to Monroe)
#9 in Range Factor (better than Monroe)
#11 in Zone Rating (better than Monroe)

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

That's why he'd be DH'ing.

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

1) Those were SF, not Detroit. I think his point about Detroit's weather being hard on Bonds is fair.
2) Everything BP has shows Monroe as being a mediocre fielder, but still better than Bonds.
3) Range Factor is mostly useless.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

(Oh, wait -- DayQuil's messing with my thought process. I'm used to people saying how brutal Bonds is defensively.)

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

"Plaxico Polanco is a jack ass. I bust him up."

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Supposedly, Boston's mucking around w/ Drew, Matsukaza, and Clemens. I'm all for bringing in the 1st (for a reasonable price) (tho he won't be able to DH much to rest those balky joints, what with Papi AND Manny) (DON'T TRADE MANNY K THX), but not so sure on the other 2.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, I just remembered Wily Mo Coyote. I'm guessing, if Drew gets signed, Manny goes somewhere else, Wily gets his chance to butcher balls in LF, and Red Sox Nation gets stupid.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Manny goes somewhere else

...Detroit?

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'm guessing you'd be magnanimous enough to give up Robertson, Omar Infante, and some of that extra fencing for a little Manny in your life, am I right?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ooooh maybe Manny for Peavy! And a wish sandwich!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't let Manny patrol Comerica Park Caverns (i.e. the outfield, even if it is LF), but if he was a DH, and Maggs shifted to first?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Good point Barry.

How about Ledezma, Infante... and a Neifi wrapped within a 400' spool of orange plastic fencing?

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Besides, it does sound like the Tigers will need to roll out the red carpet for Maybin in '08 or so.

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

(Apparently he can make it from first to home in four strides.)

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Or home to home, even!

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ooooh maybe Manny for Peavy! And a wish sandwich!

If the Padres trade Peavy for anyone other than another young, cheap superstar, I will be very disappointed.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Manny's twenty-twelve!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

That was fast!

Sheff to the Tigers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=tigerssheffield&prov=st&type=lgns

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

In return for Sheffield, the Tigers sent Humberto Sanchez, Kevin Whelan and Anthony Claggett to New York. Detroit agreed to a two-year contract extension with Sheffield through the 2009 season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656847

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Does that mean the Tigers are paying all of Sheff's salary? And what are the odds Sheff will pout and not report?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone know anything about the prospects?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Sanchez is a pretty strong prospect:

http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/features/articles2006/08/fab50/05.html

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

I have to say, even if the Yankees can suck one exhaust pipe, it's nice to see them trade AWAY a veteran FOR prospects.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Not so nice for the rest of the league, eh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

HIGH FIVE

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sanchez has some considerable health issues.

Plus two class-A pitchers, one of which is a closer.

I'm okay with it.

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

"We have been able to add one of the biggest bats in baseball," said Tigers manager Jim Leyland, who managed Sheffield in Florida. "I have a great relationship with Gary Sheffield and I have the utmost respect for him. I'm happy to add a bat of this magnitude and that he'll be a Tiger."

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Dombrowski said the team will continue to search for a first-baseman.

Ooh, ooh -- Teixeira, please!

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Last time Sheffield threw a hissy, he said he was going to report and collect his money, just not try his hardest or something.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 10 November 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

JD Drew has a knack for getting hurt and has missed far too many games for that kind of cash. Does Boston even really need to be thinking about a hitter like Drew? They should score plenty of runs, they need pitching of all types.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 11 November 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, ooh -- Teixeira, please!

Or Nomar, actually.

― Plaxico Polanco (Andy_K), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

"knack of getting hurt" the past 3 years = GETTING HIT ON TEH DAMN WRIST

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

So Aramis Ramirez stays with the Cubs.. 5yr/70mil. Not quite the billion million I thought he would try to fetch on the open market.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Sunday, 12 November 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

so, o's trade a young mid-reliever to the yanks for jaret wright and 4 million cash. if the progress of the bedard and cabrera continues, wright is quite an upgrade on the backend of the rotation. his era from last season would have been second best amongst o's starters.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 13 November 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

...but, yes: desperate men do desparate things.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Cashman DOES have control over player personnel moves!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

This seems like a good move for both teams. Wright wasn't going to do anything in NY and for $3 million it's a good risk for the O's.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Can someone give me, a westcoast baseball fan, a rundown/capsule of the annual drama between Manny Ramirez and the Red Sox brass? I don't think I quite understand the history.

Thanks.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering about this too. Didn't it all start with the waivers/rumored A-Rod deal? And then Manny just decided to fuck with them every season since?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

That's the gist of it. Post A-Rod trade malaise, coupled w/ questions from the press re: Manny's commitment to winning, and Manny either not knowing when to keep mum or playing the press like a ukulele.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

'"knack of getting hurt" the past 3 years = GETTING HIT ON TEH DAMN WRIST'

The dude was the walking wounded with the Cards. Drew has been a full time starter for seven years and had only two seasons where he barely got to 145 games. I don't know if it is dumb luck or hypochondria, but the guy does miss games and if I have options, I'd consider someone else.

Drew was hyped as being the next big thing for a few years in St. Louis. The Cards were ready to cut bait on him when he went to Atlanta. He had a good year in Atlanta and it made him a bunch of money.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

Mets re-sign Valentin for a year, don't rule out pursuing Lugo or Loretta.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Drew was hyped as being the next big thing for a few years in St. Louis. The Cards were ready to cut bait on him when he went to Atlanta. He had a good year in Atlanta and it made him a bunch of money."

Drew is (when he is healthy--and apart from one freak injury two years ago he has been for the last three years) consistently one of the ten or fifteen so best outfielders in the game. Considering that the Dodgers'll have to pay a lot more than $11m to replace that production via free agency and finding someone in their farm system who can replace Drew's production for the next three year isn't going to be easy, I'd say any Dodger fan who is cheering his departure is a nutjob.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

What Alex said. From May 2006:

Andrew Kamenetzky: Given some of the issues that you've had with injuries in the past, is it a big load off your mind starting out this healthy and playing well?
J.D. Drew: Other than the 2 1/2 years I had with my knee injury in St. Louis, I've always started out healthy. The thing for me, and if you look back at the injury history, it's just freak incidents. Broken hand. Broken wrist last year. Those are things that you can't avoid. When I was in Atlanta, my knee was finally healed up and I played an entire season and was perfectly where I wanted to be. Hopefully that's where it will go this year.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

"Drew must really hate playing in LA, because I'm not sure he gets three years and $33million at 31."

By the way I was out of my mind when I said this and not thinking about how insanely overpriced this free agent market will be.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Trading for shit like Carl Pavano (as the Rockies are rumored to be doing) is looking saavy and frugal, esp. if folks like Aram-Ram and Car-Lee and Al-Sor are looking for Car-Belt cash.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Daver you are hereby forbidden to do corny abbreviated nicknames for players for ONE WHOLE WEEK.

― Judge Landis (Haikunym), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

I want to know the real story here! Boras isn't stupid, he has to be talking to another team (Mets? Boston?) that's going to guarantee his client more that 3yr/$33M.
-- Steve Shasta (steveshast...), Friday 9:45 AM. (Steve Shasta)

OTM

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, that's so gauche.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

yet OTM

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

YET GAUCHE

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Hey if I only said one right thing a year, I'd highlight it too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Also, why the fuck else would that have happened? I predict that the sun will rise tomorrow morning!

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

polyphonic OTM.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Its amazing how sharp all your hindsight has become!

― Your optometrist (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure sighting some hind right about now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

It wasn't hindsight. Anyone who follows transactions even remotely thought the same thing you wrote. I read pretty much exactly what you wrote on like twelve different baseball blogs. It's pure common sense.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

De Rosa 3yrs/$13m according to Olney. Seems like a lot for a journeyman 2B to me, but that may be a running theme this year.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

But WHERE?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Le Cubs

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Woops yeah Cubbies.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

A NEW ERA

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah clearly they've learned from their mistakes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

i'm hearing rodrigo lopez to the brewers for kevin mench. that'd be pretty sweet...not that i'm wild about mench, but getting a serviceable position player for lopez is a coup.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

That does seem like a good deal. Anything for Lopez seems like a good deal actually.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

No doubt! If they get Mench, they could field a very servicable OF w/ Patterson in CF and Markakis in RF. From what I hear about his fielding prowess, the team would be best served w/ Mench as the DH, but Javy's gonna cockblock him there.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

After all of the hubbub about the dearth of minority managers, with Manny Acta's hiring we now have exactly the same number we did before the end of the season.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Javy's gonna cockblock him there.

I thought Javy was on the Red Sox now. Did he get released or traded back?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

OH SHIT I FORGOT (about Javy's proclivities to kill BoSox rallies with glove-seeking grounders and his sloth-like speed).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

javy is no longer an o and they got stern in return (that rhymes!). stern/mench, corey and markakis would almost be the oed definition of serviceable outfield. gibbons looks to be the dh this year.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

The plans for the new A's stadium are pretty nice, I think:

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/ballpark/new/index.jsp

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

dude, it IS right off 880 exactly where I thought it was!!!

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/ballpark/new/map.jsp

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

From what I recall of driving by it a million times, it is in a very boring area even by Fremont terms.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

So is it BART-able then?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

So is it BART-able then?

Nah, it's 5.5 miles from BART.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmph. That sucks.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Although they may try to build a new stop there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Although they may try to build a new stop there.

The Warm Springs stop would still be about 2 miles away, roughly.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

It should be noted that the area around the Coliseum is a complete wasteland, so moving anywhere is at least a moderate improvement in every respect but convenience.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

Are those existing buildings behind the outfield bleacher? If so, that's pretty cool. I'm also digging the translucent canopies.

― boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

Are those existing buildings behind the outfield bleacher?

Nope! All brand new, which is kinda corny. It's all a part of Wolff's grand plan to build a commerce center instead of just a stadium.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, the last laugh is certainly going to be on your suburban stripmall with a baseball stadium somewhere within the confines.

― SF Stadium Fan (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think those canopies are actually translucent.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think those canopies are actually translucent.

Yeah, I was afraid that was a cool rendering thing.

Nope! All brand new, which is kinda corny. It's all a part of Wolff's grand plan to build a commerce center instead of just a stadium.

Wow, the last laugh is certainly going to be on your suburban stripmall with a baseball stadium somewhere within the confines.

It's the New Urbanism. See Seaside, FL. http://www.seasidefl.com/

― boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

Steve, do you think AT&T/PacBell has revitalized SoMa? It certainly seems that way to me, though I am admittedly ignorant of how the changes developed.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

It was going to be/getting revitalized anyway. I don't think AT&T/PacBell had much to do with it (it certainly hasn't hurt though.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

HURT TO BLUE JAEYZ.

For 2 years and 23 million-ish according to the gossip peddlers at ESPN.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 16 November 2006 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit, nice $8M raise.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 November 2006 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

Ouch well I am glad Beane didn't match that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 November 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

Now they are saying it could be up to three years AND $30 million!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 November 2006 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

Barry Bonds, welcome to Oakland.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 November 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

o's inked jamie walker, are close to justin speier and danys baez...reportedly "in the mix" for el caballo.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 16 November 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Omar pulled out all the Dumbball cliches at giving El Duque $12M for two years, even "makes those around him better."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Now they are saying it could be up to three years AND $30 million!
THE FUCK?>!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

YOU WANNA WIN OR WHAT?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 November 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god. All the hosers on the J's message board are saying this is going to allow the team to trade wells. what's wrong with these people?! THERMO SMASH!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 November 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Did Gibbons get fired?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Nope.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

o's inked jamie walker

Three years, 11.5 million for a lefty specialist (albeit a consistent one w/ great control) = WOW = more power to him.

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Cotts to the Cubs for Aardsma and another guy.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

While appearing on ESPN Radio, ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reports that the Braves are close to acquiring Jake Peavy from the Padres in exchange for 2B Marcus Giles, RHP Horacio Ramirez and C Jarrod Saltalamacchia.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

How can you post that without flying into fits of rage? Is there something wrong with Peavy that we dont know about?

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Ewwwwww. WTF is Towers smoking?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Unless Peavy fucked his woman.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Its gotta be fake. What if the Padres dont even re-sign Woody Williams? Who do they have after they lose Peavy?

Gigantor
Clay Hensley
Chan Ho
David Wells?
Woody?
????

Perhaps Peavy took Towers to the SD Fight Club he was alluding to when he was trying to pick a fite with Manny Mota.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

How can you post that without flying into fits of rage? Is there something wrong with Peavy that we dont know about?

It only makes any sense at all if Towers thinks he's close to signing Zito, in my opinion. I love Peavy but Zito isn't all that much of a downgrade, and Satalamacchia is arguably the best catcher prospect in baseball, and the best prospect the Braves have. Plus a decent starting 2b and an end of the rotation guy?

I mean, I'm pissed, because I love Peavy, but if it adds up to a better team... well. I don't know.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Who do they have after they lose Peavy?

Gigantor
Hensley
Carillo (top prospect, pitcher)
Ramirez
(various other schmucks, and maybe Chan Ho or Woody or Wells if they resign one of them)

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Also, physically, Jake Peavy reminds me a lot of Tim Hudson. Same stature, same penchant for injury.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers, Casey agree to one-year deal

(i.e., bah)

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ha - AK, did you see JIM CASEY's comment to "Bo Schembechler" re: his CASEY FOR MVP stump speech?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Everything matches up.

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Good! That means Giants won't sign him. =)

― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

There's no chance that Peavy rumor is true. It if is, well, awesome.

― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

I hope that you're right!

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Bringing the lofls today, Rotoworld on El Dooku:

Hernandez, who probably turned 41 last month...

― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Meanwhile the Tigers sign Casey to a one-year deal which assures that they will have the best clubhouse ever next year because Sean Casey is hands-down one of the finest human beings to ever put on a uniform.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

I mean if you believe that those rumors that he rapes puppies and kills kittens are false, that is.

Which I don't.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently Crasnick never said anything about a Peavy trade on the radio and it was a pure interweb fiction.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 17 November 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

The A's promote Geren from bench coach to manager.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 November 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

No shock there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

OH NOES are my jayz really doing this?!!

― francisf (aaron ef.), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Signing Thomas? Yes, it would seem so.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 17 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

so is Beane gonna hafta overpay for another bat, since the only ones he'll have are Swisher and (he hopes) Chavez?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

2 years and $18m with an option (presumably the teams) for a third year at $10m (not clear if there is a buyout.)

A's are rumored to be pursuing Bonds, but I'm not sure he can be had for much less than 2/$18m although Bonds at 42 probably less of a health risk than Thomas at 38.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Gleaned from today's Gary Gillette chat -- Olney reported Drew to Boston for $30M / 2 years? annual Manny to Mets talk is back.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh neat you can read the ESPN Insider stuff for free right now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

someone pls to explain mets signing damion easley.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Um they are paying him nothing and he can back up at three infield positions?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think that's just the chats for a little while, Alex, and you are OTM.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

The Neyer articles are free too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

I cant search for the Dodgers thread so here you go. Bill Mueller, he retire.

Bill Mueller has announced his retirement and will join the Dodger front office as a special assistant to Ned Colletti, the Dodgers announced this afternoon.

No reference to Mueller's 2007 salary accompanied the announcement.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Saturday, 18 November 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit, he won the batting title only 3 seasons ago!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 18 November 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

He know passes the torch of another St. Louisan who done us proud to ryan howard.

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 18 November 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

Mueller can't actually walk without spraying wd-40 all over his knees.

― g00blar (gooblar), Saturday, 18 November 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

The Cubs, once again, provide endless entertainment.

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

wow.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Cubs would sign me for 4y/$20M at this point. I might even be younger than Soriano, depending on what his real age is.

Sweet Lou 2010 = Dusty 2006, when they'll be dishing out about $55M combined to three underperforming players (Lee, Ramirez, Soriano) on a 90-loss team.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 19 November 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

i'm glad the cubs are making some waves, even if they overpaid to say the least. i was more worried about the pitching than offense heading into '07, though. if the pitchers are walking people left and right and giving up 6 runs per game, there's nothing that'll get them above .500.

but if the pitchers are okay, this could be enough in the central.

― gear (gear), Sunday, 19 November 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

powter.jpg

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Sunday, 19 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Wow that's terrible money. What the hell are they thinking?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

holy crap!!! eight years/$135 million?!?

― maura (maura), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT IS WITH THE METS AND THEIR OLD MOVEMENT?!?!?!?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

Willie Randolph is the new Dusty Baker.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

dude, dude, like, man, that is not even funny.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Haha okay Omar Minaya is the new Brian Sabean.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like the Dodgers are going to resign Nomar for 2 yrs. No love for our boy Loney and his .380 minor league BA.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

The descriptions on this thread of Manny's problems with Boston are not accurate. As far as I know, his wife has never liked living in Boston - for reasons that remain somewhat hazy. It is personal stuff, nothing to do with Manny's "commitment" to "the team"/"winning" or perceived slights.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

And Alou for a year with the Mets doesn't make sense for the money, does it? He would be perfect if they played him the way the Yankees played Tim Raines in 1998, a dependable bench threat who could teach the guys a trick or two, but I doubt the Yanks were paying Rock $8-9M that year, and they were also giving young guys a chance in the outfield (who, even if they never worked out in the end, could obv become bargaining chips)

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, they signed Piniella for 4 years? that is nuts.

Soriano's numbers will be at their gaudiest in Wrigley -- for a couple years. But if he hits 65-70 the first 2 seasons that's still bad at the back end.

Omar is drunk with successful '06 oldies, like Valentin and Duque (until Oct). If you wanna see young Zito a Met, getting dissed by old Glav may guarantee it, sez Ben Shpigel in Times:

Whether Glavine stays will have little effect on the Mets’ interest in the free-agent pitcher Barry Zito. Now that the Red Sox have won the right to negotiate with the star Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka, the Mets view Zito as the top pitcher available and are interested in signing him no matter what. But if Glavine elects to sign with the Braves, the Mets are likely to go full-throttle after Zito and at least one other pitcher. The negotiations for Zito figure to last well into December.

Now that the Mets are on the verge of signing the free-agent outfielder Moises Alou to a one-year contract, they may intensify their efforts to package outfielder Lastings Milledge in a deal for a front-line starter. The Mets are enthralled with their young outfield prospects Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martínez, who they believe have more potential than Milledge, and could trade him for a pitcher, perhaps Dontrelle Willis of Florida, Jake Peavy of San Diego or Jason Jennings of Colorado. The Mets are still interested in White Sox pitchers Javier Vázquez and Freddy García, but Chicago would like one of the Mets’ top young pitchers — Mike Pelfrey or Philip Humber — in return.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I don't know the length of Piniella's contract, I was just making BOLD CLAMS for the future of the Cubs. Sorry for the confusion.

My only point was that Piniella will be stuck with an overpaid + underperforming roster sooner rather than later. As it was with Dusty, the post-honeymoon period will probably get ugly.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Trammell will succeed Piniella.

(It's the Cubs.)

Just a hunch.

At any rate, I'll probably watch WGN more in '07 than the previous few years combined.

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

And Alou for a year with the Mets doesn't make sense for the money, does it? He would be perfect if they played him [as] a dependable bench threat who could teach the guys a trick or two

Like what? PEEING ON HIS HANDS??

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure I'm late to the party but Lastings Milledge has an amazing name.

So i'm guessing Alfonso will be patrolling the ivy walls of wrigley since they already signed their star 2nd baseman Mark DeRosa...?

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Rumour is that Soriano will play center which is just about the only way the beginning of the deal makes even a marginal amount of sense (plus it means bye bye Juan Pierre.) But the last four years of this are just dead salary weight plus.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

I don't buy the Wrigley bump for Soriano. He spent two years in AL Coors without going for 65-70, there's no reason to believe he will in Wrigley.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

But:

a) he spent 2 years in AL Coors w/out facing AL Coors pitchers (which I imagine was part of the reason for the ArlPark's success in tatering)
b) the NL pitchers suck, because the NL sucks, because etc etc SALLY

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

How did Reyes wind up 7th???

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

forget reyes, wtf is trevor hoffman doing in the top ten?

― gear (gear), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

also, look at the damage soriano did in the nl last year playing 1/2 his games at a pretty severe pitcher's park. not entirely sure of what the splits were, but i saw him hit some absolute moonshots at rfk.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 20 November 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

why wd anyone think Sori won't stink in center?

I don't expect 60+ homers for him, but maybe they do.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

"why wd anyone think Sori won't stink in center?"

I got the impression that he was inexperienced but not too bad in LF actually (his major problem being poor paths to the ball, not arm or speed.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

Soriano does not fix the gaping holes in the Cubs pitching. At this point the Cubs have one great starter, maybe one decent starter and a couple of OK setup guys with the rest of the staff being bottom feeders.

Why are the Mets down on Milledge and dead set on getting rid of him? Considering the age of Floyd and Green, I would think they would want to keep him around.

Moises Alou might not be a bad one year player for the right club that needs an extra bat, preferably in the AL where they could put him in as a DH. I think he would be a better fit for the Angels or maybe the Yankees than the Mets.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Soriano led the majors in Outfield Assists, absolutely blowing away the competition with 22 of them.

22 outs = 7 1/3 innings of outs, just with his arm.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't have expected him to throw me out either!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

Haha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

I do wonder how many runners took an extra base off him.

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny that in this day and era, 3B coaches probably still communicate via smoke signals.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

forget reyes, wtf is trevor hoffman doing in the top ten?

San Diego sportswriters get to vote too!

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

Two words, brother:
Adrian. Beltre.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

beltre had never had a similar season to '04, it was a fluke. soriano's been pretty consistent over the past four seasons.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

wtf mets decline glavine's option. they are losing me as a fan with the off-season moves, so far.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

soriano's been pretty consistent over the past four seasons.
?!?!?!

This is the first time he's had an OBP over .350 and a fairly flukey slugging year, while entering the end of his 'prime.' Assuming he can even continue performing at last year's level (and isn't a disaster in center) - how long can that hold up?

He's probably a good player to have, but he's not the sixth most valuable player in major-league history.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

he's not the sixth most valuable player in major-league history.

Right, but his contract has nothing to do with his value in major league history. Is he worth $17 mil per year in this market? Arguably. Maybe a little overpaid. Will he continue to perform? Not to the same level, but he probably will be worth, say, $13mil per year. Does the market figure to stay somewhat the same for a while? Yeah, I would say so. Revenue is up across the board in every respect.

He's especially valuable if the Cubs have the balls to play him at 2b, but instead they will throw money at Mark Derosa for no particular reason. Let Felix Pie have a run at CF and play Derosa as a superutility guy. Murton and Jones are solid (if unspectacular) at the corners.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

Two words, brother:
Adrian. Beltre.

Beltre was actually not that bad last year. He wasn't worth his contract, but he had a good season. Arguably a better season than Eric Chavez, who has a similar contract but little criticism to go with it.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

it's not like the cubs are running out of cash though, so who cares.

― get yr coat luv uve jes bin pulld (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

There are like 6 yankees that make more than Soriano right now.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

Not to the same level, but he probably will be worth, say, $13mil per year.
On what do you base this? Where are you getting any of your numbers? An older, lesser player than Carlos Beltran with one season where he might arguable have been worth something in the teens.

It's an absurd contract. The Cubs are tilting after a bad season and overpaid for a guy who will never perform as well as he did last year, and will probably never even approach it for half of his contract.

Carlos Lee - league-average corner outfielder, hit almost as well last season (.300 EQA vs. .304), with a much better track record (hitting and fielding), and he's the same age as Soriano. You think he's a $140mn player?

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

i think the consensus seems to be that carlos lee is gonna break down a lot sooner than soriano, he's got serious "old player skills", walks only slightly more than soriano, is the same age, and is likely gonna be forced into a DH role before long. and when i said soriano was 'consistent', look at what he's done. his slugging year wasn't "flukey", considering he's hit 39, 38, 28, and 36 HR in the previous four seasons (plus a boatload of doubles). I'd rather have soriano than carlos lee, most definitely. especially since soriano can play a middle infield position if needed, as was mentioned above. overpaid? yeah of course, but who isn't? but i'm not an accountant so i'm not gonna worry that much about the salary.

of course, he's not the best player the cubs could have landed, they would have been better served grabbing beltran a couple years back. but like i said, i'd sooner have the overspending hendry now than the "let's cut loose maddux for jose guzman" larry himes of yesteryear.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

the cubs are always going to overpay. that's why they're the cubs.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

wtf mets decline glavine's option. they are losing me as a fan with the off-season moves, so far.

I'm pretty sure this was always part of the plan (i.e., Glavine knew they wouldn't pick it up), and that they negotiate from here.

Pierre to Dodgers, 5yrs/$45mil: "He's another guy with great qualities as a human being, like Nomar [Garciaparra]," Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti told the Associated Press.

― g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

On what do you base this?

If ancient Frank Thomas is worth $10mil per on this market, Soriano is definitely worth at least $13mil.

You think he's a $140mn player?

If he somewhat adequately could be trusted to play CF or 2B, absolutely. Solely as a corner outfielder, probably not.

An older, lesser player than Carlos Beltran

Beltran would almost definitely make 20mil per in this market.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

the pierre move could only happen in george bush's america.

overpaid mediocrity? all he needs is a change of scenery and a raise!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

stenc, Glavine's option was for $14 mil, wasn't it? no fuckin' way you pay that.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Morb OTM. If you're going to pay $14M for a pitcher, it might behoove you to snag one that's on the right side of 40 (or maybe even 30).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

If ancient Frank Thomas is worth $10mil per on this market, Soriano is definitely worth at least $13mil.
Uh, you understand Frank didn't sign for eight years and Soriano didn't sign for $13, right?

If he somewhat adequately could be trusted to play CF or 2B, absolutely. Solely as a corner outfielder, probably not.
Key issue: Soriano has never played CF and can't be trusted to play 2B.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, you understand Frank didn't sign for eight years and Soriano didn't sign for $13, right?

Yeah, but that was the number you took issue with. If 13/14 is a reasonable figure (in my opinion, it is), then 17 means he's overpaid by a few mil per. The Cubs can afford it. 8 years is the bigger issue, I agree with you on that point. But at some point you just trade the guy to the Yankees and the problem is solved!

Key issue: Soriano has never played CF and can't be trusted to play 2B.

I agree with you on CF but Hendry doesn't. I think he's a perfectly adequate below-average 2B guy, along the lines of a Jeff Kent. You'd prefer to have someone better there, but if you have to choose between Soriano in CF and Soriano in 2B, you have to want him to play 2B, right?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Mussina gets 2yrs/$23M

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Neyer in chat:

The Cubs' NUMBER ONE priority this winter should have been improving the team OBP . . . and Hendry spends the money on a guy with a .325 career mark that's nine points *lower* than the league average?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but that was the number you took issue with.
I took issue with the contract, the number and the years. At some point those long-term, backloaded contracts come back to haunt a franchise, where they can't compete in four years because their payroll is tied up in a schmuck. (I know, I live 2 miles from one of these.)

think he's a perfectly adequate below-average 2B guy, along the lines of a Jeff Kent.
But, uh, Kent has consistently been an above-average (bordering on very good) second basemen - Soriano was a statue his last two years in the infield.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

how old is mussina?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Moose will be 38 next month, but the Yankees always pay more.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

The battle of overpaid center fielders will take place in Los Angeles (of Anaheim). Rumors of a Gary Matthews to Angles for 5/50 popping up.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

twat?

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Who'd a thunk - one good season at the right time would net you so much dough!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Adrian Beltre better coach him on how to handle the inevitable post-signing letdown.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

That might be the worst signing of the offseason thus far.

Shit, I'm starting to feel really good about four more years of BJ Ryan at 10M per.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

It was awesome when the Padres had Matthews for the veteran minimum and still got rid of him.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

On that same note, Jaret Wright.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Im really waiting to see how retarded the pitching deals get. Weaver and Suppan stand to make a shitload of money in this market.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

(xxpost)Yeah last years deals look positively brilliant.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

I know this is apples to oranges - but how can Catalanotto sign at 13.5 mil for 3 years while Jr gets this absurd contract?! They're at about the same level talent-wise, imho.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Matthews plays CF and people are idiots about centerfielders this offseason.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

"That might be the worst signing of the offseason thus far."

Ahem JUAN PIERRE ahem!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Although PECOTA likes Pierre more than Matthews so maybe even that's a better deal.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, PECOTA, so fickle.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Matthews has only two seasons as an everyday player under his belt! He's not even All-Star caliber! He excels at nothing! He's 32 -- what are the chances he's worth 10 million at age 37?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Haha but what does Juan Pierre have going for himself? Spunk! Juan Pierre is a less talented David Eckstein who steals more and gets caught more!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Is there a new PECOTA? YSI!?!?!?!?!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

No it's just last years.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

He's not even All-Star caliber!

He was an all-star this year, though.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

both Kahrl and Sheehan at Prospectus think Mets shoulda re-optioned Glavine; I guess we'll know if they blew it if he winds up in Atl.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah it's moot if they resign him, but $14m for one year of Tom Glavine seems like a good deal in this market right now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

seems like a very good deal!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 23 November 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

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