2006 World Series: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Detroit Tigers

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Tigers in six.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

tigers in 4

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

tigers in 5

― gear (gear), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

tigers, but at this point it's a push for me in terms of caring; I might even say I'd rather see the cards win coz I like the Poo-hole, but whatever.

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in 7.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in shoving it up Tony LaRussa's point-loving overrated dipshitty ass.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

I strongly dislike Pujols at this point.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

Cardinals in 4

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

j/k beane-lovers and ILB red-facers ...

Tigers in 5

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

Cards in 3.

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

Neither team in six.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in 4

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 20 October 2006 07:35 (nineteen years ago)

tigers in 5 (cards rotation totally out o' wack, and it ain't that good to begin with)

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 20 October 2006 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

Since I'm 1 for 6 in my predictions I'll stick with the team that got me the 1 ... CARDS in 6.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

who the fuck cares

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

REAL TALK

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in 5, with Rogers taking only loss. Only cuz I'd rather see two Leyland books next spring than 6 more about "Points" LaRussa.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

I should scan this article from a late '80s (I think) issue of Vegetarian Times that depicts LaRussa in his very shiny Styx tour jacket.

Leyland has already told the press to STFU re: the great Leyland-LaRussa lovefest.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah: Weaver vs. Bonderman at some POINT, please.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

bcz...?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! Weaver vs. Bonderman!

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh ya, Dr., Weaver traded for Bonderman, 2002 or so.

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

See top of 2006 Dumbass-A-Go-Go Thread

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

While looking up the Tigers-Cardinals Encarnacion trade, I discovered that my best friend from grade school is now working for Canada's Sportstnet.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Make that Tigers-REDS.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand how someone could randomly hate on pujols. the expression plastered on his face when he bats alone is high octane classic!

That aside, Tigers in 5.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

how low will the national ratings for this go? (not that I care -- come, come, the day when MLB is banished to specialty outlets and we get commentators who use WARP3 and no pointless in-game dugout interviews)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/gennaro_filice/05/18/FiveUp.FiveDown/t1_SpiezioBeardProgression.jpg

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

HI I JUST WENT DOWN ON STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Tiggers in 5

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Friday, 20 October 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in 5.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in 5.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in 0. not mathematically possible, but that's JUST HOW GOOD THE TIGERS ARE.

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Could someone please tell me who can be on the World Series roster? Could Leyland bring in Maroth or Sheldon or Miller at this point? Does there have to be an injury? I though that the rosters were set. Was that just for the individual league playoffs? Can Neifi and the batboy switch places?

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

There is a new roster for each "round."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Considering all the upsets we've seen in the playoffs, I'm not ready to drink the Tigers' Kool-Aid yet. Verlander has made two underwhelming starts in the postseason. Remember, two weeks ago everybody was saying that he was worn down because he wasn't even remotely the same pitcher in the first half as he was in the second. Robertson got hammered once by the Yanks, and was brilliant once against Oakland. What will he do vs the Cards? Kenny Rogers could turn into a pumpkin any day now, which wouldn't be a huge shock considering his many years of awful playoff performances.

The Cards might have played a seven-game NLCS, but it's not like they burned through their bullpen and extended their starters. In fact, they barely used their bullpen at all in Games 6 and 7, and we didn't see any of the usual "pull out all the stops" stuff, i.e. Chris Carpenter pitching in relief in Game 7 or anything like that. They'll be well-rested. I'll take Wainwright over Todd Jones as my closer right now, hands down. ALBERT PUJOLS. I can easily see Suppan and Carpenter winning three games, an if the rest of the pitching staff can cobble together a win between them then the Cards are champs.

There are a million reasons to take the Cards, so fuckit, Cards in 6 even though I'd rather see an AL team win again.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Welcome to the board, Joe.

(Again, I am not the least bit relaxed.)

Check http://www.mlive.com/tigers/weblog/

For some reason I cannot get the permalinks. Check the posts titled Why Miller can be added to the World Series roster and
Miller back in town, could be added to WS roster

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

i really didn't want to see any more of scott spiezio's soul patch, that was really the only reason i wanted the mets to win (gun to my head)

― gear (gear), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

From the espn superscientific poll:

Which team will win the World Series?

29.6% Detroit in six games
26.4% Detroit in five games
15.5% St. Louis in six games
12.1% St. Louis in seven games
9.0% Detroit in four games
3.5% Detroit in seven games
2.7% St. Louis in five games
1.1% St. Louis in four games

Total Votes: 51,110

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

rudd48 (lexington, ky): The Cards can't have Jason Marquis pitching Game 1, can they? Haven't the Tigers been practicing against pitchers just like him in batting practice all week? I think they should start Reyes.

Nate Silver: I'd go with Reyes, but both of those guys are soft-tossers. One of the more important factors in this series is that the Tigers have absolutely CRUSHED finesse pitchers this year, and after Carpenter and Wainwright, that's pretty much all the Cardinals have.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Leyland sez:

Game 1 Justin Verlander
Game 2 Kenny Rogers
Game 3 Nate Robertson
Game 4 Jeremy Bonderman

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

espn "expert" pre-playoff picks: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2610409

Keith Law: "The one sure thing for this series is that the ratings will be terrible. The 11th- and 21st-largest media markets, only one or two really recognizable stars, and a widely held belief that at least one of these teams isn't World Series-worthy are adding up to a major pre-Series buzz kill."

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 20 October 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

"ESPN Insider" is free through the 22nd, btw.

"Only one or two really recognizable stars"... and why would that be the case?

Neither team is worthy! One team won 83 games and the other stumbled into the playoffs, only to have the Yankees and A's mysteriously collapse right before their eyes. Almost everything about the playoffs thus far has been completely unexpected and yet they've been entirely boring (save for a play or two).

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Neither team is worthy! One team won 83 games and the other stumbled into the playoffs, only to have the Yankees and A's mysteriously collapse right before their eyes."

You seem stupid.

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Friday, 20 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

Anthony "iron my hat" Reyes starts game 1 for the Cards. That means 5 good innings if we are lucky :/

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 20 October 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

You seem stupid.

Or maybe sarcastic.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 20 October 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

no still stupid lol

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Friday, 20 October 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Does any of y'all give a shit and a half what the ratings will be???

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

naw

tigers in 5

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20050818/450speizio_tattoo.jpg

― gear (gear), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's fun to talk about when Selig hangs himself (I predict it's after the game 3 ratings book).

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 21 October 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

...:|

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 21 October 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers in 6.

― boldbury (boldbury), Saturday, 21 October 2006 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

So Taguchi (4-4, 1.000/1.000/2.750 w/ 2 HRs in the 2006 playoffs) is starting tonight in LF for the Cards.

The previous starting LF Chris Duncan (2-14, .143/.250/.357 w/ 1 HR) will be the DH.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Granderson cf
Monroe lf
Polanco 2b
Ordonez rf
Guillen 1b
Rodriguez c
Casey dh
Inge 3b
Santiago ss

Eckstein ss
Duncan dh
Pujols 1b
Edmonds cf
Rolen 3b
Encarnacion rf
Belliard 2b
Molina c
Taguchi lf

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

If the ratings are bad enough Fox might cancel the World Series like they do with everything else that oh Jesus Eric Byrnes use your indoor voice

Anyone see that montage at the beginning with the Regular Guys talking about baseball and broads and double cheeseburgers? Everyone was all "Red Sox Dodgers Yankees," so I'm pretty sure they recorded this thing in August in case Jerry Stiller died.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

(Also Tigers in 5. Do it for Dilla!)

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Only one can win

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

This is painful, Bob

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

I HATE U GEAR

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061021/capt.8ae45676dd2e440f8409cab861fb8644.world_series_cardinals_tigers_baseball_dts102.jpg

http://a.im.craigslist.org/zE/a9/0Kdqtj5OAEASYNwsiogX6vUul5FM.jpg

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone was all "Red Sox Dodgers Yankees,"

Yes, this happened "just outside Detroit."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

"Hey, remember when Mickey Lolich --"
"BUCKNER BUCKNER BUCKNER"

And oh man, Bomberman Ks Pujols, so fresh

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

That's "VORPLANDER," nate.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

D'ahh, McCarver moment

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

Jay-Z + exotic Italian sports cars + superboats = Stella Artois, not Bud, jeez

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

OKAY FOLKS NEW JAY-Z NOVEMBER 21

DRINK RESPONSIBLY

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Mellencamp once take a swipe at Seger for having a song in a car commercial?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

"I was offered 10 times as much money as I got from Chevrolet from beer companies and things like that, and I turned it down. My idea was to help my local state economy. And that's what John [Mellencamp] does with the farmers. And you can say, 'Yeah, but John doesn't get paid for that, and I did.' Nevertheless, that's what it took to make me do it." Colleen Fitzpatrick, November, 1991 (?), Detroit News. "Pop artist's ad is rock solid."
"I feel fine with it. I'm a Michigan guy; my father worked at Ford for 19 years, I worked at GM in Ypsilanti. I'd been turning down commercials for years and years, just hated the idea of it. ... I felt like this is the one thing I'll do. I don't think I'll ever do another commercial." Gary Graff, October 1994, Detroit Free Press. "Bob Seger Tells The Stories Behind The Hits."

Seger: "My son's three, and he and I watch baseball and football games on TV together all the time. The commercial will come on and he'll look over at me with a big smile on his face. I'll nod to him and say, 'that's Daddy.' And he and I will sing the song together. I'm from Cartown and these are my people. I get a lot of thanks for it." Roger Hitts, Star, January 23, 1996.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

For several months a few years back, there was a fairly suspect Chevrolet billboard on I-94 with a father taking a snap from his grunting/smiling son, and above them it said "LIKE A ROCK."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well, fuck.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

How many fucking football movies does one country need?

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ crowd shot of Jabba the Mets Fan

― nate p. (natepatrin), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Buck: Verlander doing everything in his power to let Encarnacion -- who stole a whopping six bases this year -- know that he is paying attention.

OOH BURN

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

ANY NON-MIDWEST ILB'ERS WATCHING TONIGHT???

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit, does Pudge actually come out to Eddy Guerrero's ca-'01 "Latino Heat" WWF theme?

― nate p. (natepatrin), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yep

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://freep.typepad.com/tigers_live/2006/10/the_todd_and_je.html

DETROIT -- St. Louis pitcher Jeff Weaver refused to reply to a relatively harsh assessment of him by his former Detroit teammate, Tiger pitcher Todd Jones.

"I don't read the papers and I didn't hear of any of this," Weaver said in response to a question Saturday afternoon. "If that's the case, I would figure some of it got twisted. Todd Jones is one of the nicest guys I've ever run across. If he's got unkind words for me, I don't know what they're stemming from. It's the World Series. Maybe he's just trying to get a little jab in here and there."

This is what Jones told reporters on Friday: "I am the wrong guy to ask about Jeff Weaver. I am not a big advocate of his and I wasn't a big advocate of his when he was here. He was a good pitcher who never really panned out here. Maybe he found a home in St. Louis, but there's no love lost here that he's gone."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

who's the dbag in the booth who can't stop talking abt reyes' socks and cap? and how did they find someone more annoying than joe buck??

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

OKAY TIME TO MAYBE MAKE A PITCHING CHANGE

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh good, livewire nerves Grilli

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

"Pujols calls the interference"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

Did Encarnacion begin his career with the Tigers? I cannot for the life of me recall.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Oh -- thanks, Joe.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

"TIGERS IN 3"

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

DAMN WOULDN'T IT BE SWEET IF BOTH TEAMS COULD LOSE THE WORLD SERIES

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

SORRy IM DRUNK ON 19 BEERS AND 3 TINS OF FRENCH ONION DIP

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Neither team in six.

-- Andy_K (boompingpin...), October 20th, 2006 2:22 AM. (Andy_K) (later) (link)

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

bitch missed that note and bailed on it...

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

SHUT DOWN BY A BRIM IRONER

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

So glad Casey's back

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

The Tigers stopped caring around the sixth inning, which is dumb because they're giving the night off to the Cards' bullpen.

Verlander = crap pitcher since August, why is this guy starting Game 1? Idiot-proof rotation my ass.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

And Reyes gives up a HR, gets yanked just as I hit submit.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

how about those post game comments?

part 1 - how the tigers lost (it was b/c of the lay-off)
part 2 - how the tigers will win game 2

When Rolen yanked Verlander over the wall right after Buck/McCarver saying he can't hit a high fastball = teh sweetnesss.

― bnw (bnw), Sunday, 22 October 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

Was that a fastball he hit? Their gun said 79 mph I thought.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 22 October 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Which if true makes you wonder WTF scouting report the Tigers were reading that they would throw a change to Rolen.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 22 October 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

aw, if detroit turns out to be paper tigers, that makes it that much harder for us mets fans *cries in his gin*

― timmy tannin (pompous), Sunday, 22 October 2006 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

An idiot-proof/non-idiot-proof rotation matters not a lick when the offense scores two runs. As for the offense's timing being off due to the week off: maybe, maybe not, but it's not as if this was the first time the Tigers were futile at the plate. How did Nate Robertson go 13-13 this year, despite a 3.84 ERA? Because he had all the run support of the 1992 Angels. (Mark Langston that year: 13-14, 3.66. Team leader in RBIs by an obscenely wide margin: JUNIOR FELIX.)

Game one: PRECISELY WHY I'VE DISAGREED WITH ANYONE I'VE TALKED TO THE LAST WEEK WHO SAID THIS WOULD BE A CAKE WALK FOR THE TIGERS.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

Jim Abbott in 1992: 7-15, but with a 2.77 ERA, good for fifth in the league!

The point is that the Tigers rotation is far from idiot-proof, offense or not. Verlander has been a poor pitcher for the past 2.5 months, including the playoffs.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 October 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Barry, I was kinda continuing your point. And I'm as aware as anyone with some sense of logic that the Tigers' staff is not infallible. It has been irritating to hear a lot analysts suddenly over-compensate for the lack of credit given to the staff in the past.

Comment left for recent Robertson blog post. Italics mine.

"Well you boys will bounce back. Remember you lost game 1 to the Yankees. This aint over."

I think Robertson might remember that.

Current factoid being repeated ad infinitum: The last time the Tigers lost a WS game at home was game one of the '68 series.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

which was against .... ST. LOUIS! see, it's all according to the master plan

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 22 October 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

i took nap from 7th inn on

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

'...and here to sing the song from the chevy commercials that you're all sick of...'

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Fucking hell

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

pls stop talking...

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

Gotta love the NFL coverage going well past 7:30. St. Louis, Detroit... uh who's going to stay on our channel anyway?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

lol at fox and mlb.

anita baker rulez tho.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

So much for that 8:23 first pitch.

Yes this game is sponsored by TACO Bell.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

lol sit down red chinned baboon

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Better check to see what's in Rogers pants while you're at it.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

Two balls to Pujols were exactly where Encarnacion took that strike.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Monroe on fiyah

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

lol at taco time.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.seventh-inning-stretch.com/images/prints/steiner/george-brett-pine-tar.jpg

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like to see the gambler drop la russa.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

lol

cuet scolding of rogers by umpires after top of 2nd

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Monday, 23 October 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

Is Rogers rubbing dookie on the ball?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

It was taco sauce from shaking hands earlier w/ Taco

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's because Casey is pretty much completely immobile, dipshits.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

umm... ouch.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

Surely Casey will make amends w/ Molina after the game.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

Gimpy runner on second + gimpy first baseman + pitcher who hates to be bunted on = hilarity

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

wtf tigers looked like the mets there tho. :(

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

Blowing a bases-loaded, no-out opportunity = not

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

That might be the turning point of the series if the Cards end up winning this game.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

Haha -- was Molina talking shit back to Rogers there?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

"How's your wife and my kid?"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000068GOZ.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Tigers (Rogers excluded) do not deserve to win if they can't get in this one run.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

wtf pudge pls wake up.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

This game isn't fair. Rogers gets to use pine-tar and we have Juan Encarnacion :(

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

OMG PITCHING TO PUJOLS WHAT IDIOTS

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

No relation to Kenny Rogers, folks -- we'll clear it up right here.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

not as dumb as the carolina/cincinnati game earlier, where Fox finally cleared it up: keyshawn johnson is not related to chad johnson.

― gear (gear), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

Kinney must've switched bodies w/ Jason Grilli

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

Was Ordonez not watching those four straight balls and HBP?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

'...and now we bring the game to a crashing halt for god bless america'

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

are they going to use an american idol castoff for every WS performance of this stupid song?

― maura (maura), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

IT IS NOT A STUPID SONG
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, MAURA
WHY

― THIS IS OUR COUNTREH (natepatrin), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously though, I wonder how long that trend's gonna linger. Until the Iraq War ends?

― nate p. (natepatrin), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

Until American Idol ends?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

When Pujols grounds out weakly off Todd Jones (despite being 5-6 lifetime against him) then you know the Tigers can do nothing wrong tonight.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hey wait a minute! Time for Zumaya?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my god. I think Jones intentionally plunked Preston 'cause he was scared of Mookie Mojo or something.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

Don't get not pinch-hitting for Molina then, hot hand or no.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

Still great game by Rogers. Jones shouldn't be their closer anyway obv.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

That face he flashed after the last out was priceless!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

tigers decided to not be the mets, but the cardinals thought it would be a good idea.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone ever punched chris myers?

― gear (gear), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

thus begins inquiry into the mysterious "clump of dirt."

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

it's going to end when fox releases its death-grip on the playoffs, nate. or when the powers that be there start HATING AMERICA.

― maura (maura), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

kenny rogers u r tha gambler and i luv u 4 it

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 23 October 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

The ESPN crew went back and found mysterious 'dirt clumps' on Kenny Rogers' hands dating back to his strawberry picking days.

I had no idea Josh Gracin stll existed. Therefore, bring on Scott Savol.

Tigers are in serious trouble if they continue to hit like that.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

And now that Palermo has put the foreign substance issue to rest, I am positive the neutral duo of Buck/McCarver will not mention it ever again.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

"He scares me sometimes," said first baseman Sean Casey. "I get ground balls over there, and he's yapping. When we're turning two, he's yelling, "TURNIT, TURNIT, TURNIT, TURNIT.' I'm like, 'Man, you're going to have a heart attack out there. Take it easy.' "

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

MEGA X-POST:

To No One: Juan Encarnacion did start his lackluster career w/ the Tiggers as a poor man's pre-bulk Sammy Sosa. Free-swinging, pop-upping, ground-outing megadonk With Lots Of Upside and decent speed (no more). Pretty good defender, tho, when he remembers how to catch the ball. Had some decent counting stats that impressed folks who don't like walks / numbers, had 1 breakout half-year w/ the Reds in 2002, and a career year for last year's Marlins. Sucked ass this year in line w/ his career line - .269 / .316 / .441. Clean-up hitter in NLCS Game 7 for the NL Champion Cardinals in 2006. He's the bug in the icecube in the drink that Pujols stirs & TLR spits in.

Lord, thank you for making me procrastinate on buying a TV so I can avoid BuckCarver. But fuck you for sticking Joe Morgan (Friend Of Every Baseball Player Ever That Played Between 1930 and 1980) and the desiccated ghost of Jon Miller on the radio broadcast.

TS: DirtGate vs. SmudgeGate

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 23 October 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

More McCarver WTFness, which I just remembered: They were showing Rogers' return to the dugout after the eighth (replay style, not live, IIRC), and McCarver went on for at least a couple sentences about the bizarreness of Rogers [PERPLEXED] "shaking hands with his teammates with HIS GLOVE STILL ON." Rogers was bumping gloves with his teammates, as players often do after JUST WALKING OFF THE FIELD. This was probably one of many things that kept McCarver up all night.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Let's see if I can fall asleep before the end of every game (perfect so far).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

2006: most boring postseason evah?

There have been a disturbing lack of classic games. Worst postseason since 2000, in any case.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

Morb, you missed Todd Jones turning a 3-0 laffer into an actual game!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

articletalking about the ratings, and how Fox will be "in the red" if the series goes only 5 games. Also:

As part of that $1.8 billion deal, which kicks off next season, Goren said MLB has agreed in the contract to give Fox more commercial time in the games, forcing the players to stay in the dugout a little longer between half-innings.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

no comments on burnsy? i mean, for god's sake, man, put on coat and tie and cut that mop!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

is there any reason Rogers shouldn't get a 10-game ban? besides Bud's ballslessness?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone involved in the incident calling it a non-issue? Kenny Rogers' status as an upstanding fan-friendly non-camera-breaking mensch? Because I want TLR to lose?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

"2006: most boring postseason evah?"

For the Mets/Cards Game 7 alone I think this cannot be true.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Too many unexpected things have happened for this to be the most boring postseason. A shortage of nailbiters doesn't necessarily equate to boring.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

is there any reason Rogers shouldn't get a 10-game ban? besides Bud's ballslessness?

Also: it is too late

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

prediction: if we see Rogers on the mound again, TLR will attempt to snap his focus mid-inning by requesting a hand/glove check. umps will grant it as consolation.

― manute lol (sanskrit), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

rogers pwned the cards when he washed the shit off, moot point. baseball players are cheaters, film at 11.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

"Barry Bonds would have been a HOFer even without steroids! Give the guy a break!"

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_tv/wack01.JPG

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

that's your line, barry.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

is there any reason Rogers shouldn't get a 10-game ban? besides Bud's ballslessness?

Because TLR did not pursue it when it was happening. Why he didn't, I don't know. They showed him in the dugout during the first inning, when a coach was obviously telling him about what was on the tv in the clubhouse (who's watching a tv in the clubhouse during a World Series game?!?!?). He could have done something then, but chose not to. Rogers got the same information from teammates between the innings, so he washed it off before going out for the second. END OF STORY

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Also: Weaver was using taco sauce and was only doing a better job of concealing it.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha!

(who's watching a tv in the clubhouse during a World Series game?!?!?).

they were trying to pick up signs, maybe?

― TROGDOR (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Steve the Brain Phillips & Kruk also couldn't understand the Cards' lack of protest, which shows you how singular TLR's genius is.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

What I read / heard (supposition style) was that TLR didn't want The Gambler's potential malfeasance to get in the heads of the hitters, and thereby chose to make as little a fuss as possible so it'd be a non-issue & the hitters could get back to grounding into DPs.

Another theory: the manlove between TLR & JFL.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I heard the head ump on the radio this morning and he said that he analyzed it and it was just dirt, not pine tar or any other substance.

However, does Rogers always touch his hat that much? He was going back to it over and over again like Nomar with the batting gloves.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

That's where he keeps the Vagisil

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

SI has some other photos of Rogers with that same shit on his hand in the ALCS, ALDS and regular season:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0610/gallery.mlb.rogers/content.1.html

One of those games was back in July, so he's probably been doing it all year.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

You'll notice those photos are all from home games. The TP in the clubhouse is single ply. Kenny is old and messy.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Also: he uses the stubble as a surrogate for an Emery board.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

All pitchers from now on shall be shaven from head to toe on game day and must undergo a sweat gland removal procedure prior to taking the mound. Fingernails shall be removed as well.

In the event of rain, or any presence of moisture, all pitchers must throw from inside a moisture-free contraption called the moundmobile.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see how Rogers can't be suspended if he had that "clump" on the same spot during multiple games. That's pretty damning if you ask me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

julian tavares, where are you?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Jay Powell, where are you?

From Gene Wojciechowski's column:

Not long after the Fox cameras detected whatever was on Rogers' hand, La Russa was seen talking to home plate umpire Alfonso Marquez. Marquez, said Palermo, then told Rogers, among other things, that he needed to clean his hand.

"What they're trying to do is remove doubt in that situation," Palermo said.

So why then wouldn't La Russa discuss the situation with the media after the game? And even more curious, why did Rogers say that Marquez never talked to him about the substance, or asked him to wipe it off?

Question: "So the umpires didn't mention it at all to you?"
Rogers: "No."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2635618

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

that woke 'im up!

― gear (gear), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Here's Paul Lukas' take on KR's unique hat choice:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/061023

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

What do y'all think of the conspiracy theorist Tigers fans who say that Buck and McCarver, being Cardinals homers, were tipped off before the game about the pine tar (I guess the Yankees complained about funny movement on Rogers' pitches during the ALDS), which is why they were able to jump on it so quickly? I don't know if I believe that those two personally were tipped to it, but probably an alert member of the production team spotted it and notified them during the first inning.

Another conspiracy is that by broadcasting it, McCarver and Buck were supposedly alerting TLR to do something about it. Don't the Tigers also have access to the TV broadcasts during games?

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Another conspiracy is that by broadcasting it, McCarver and Buck were supposedly alerting TLR to do something about it. Don't the Tigers also have access to the TV broadcasts during games?

Dude, it's a major league ballparks. There are fuckin TV's everywhere.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

i wouldn't put anything past those two douchebags

― gear (gear), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost
Like I said earlier, Inge and a couple of other Tigers were talking to Rogers in the dugout after he pitched the first, so the Tigers were aware of the broadcasting of the "dirt". There should be no issue now because TLR did not do anything about it when he could have(ie. the top of the first).

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

A couple people on another forum claim they picked up on the discoloration before McCarver mentioned it. I think McCarver, whether or not he was tipped off by a cameraman or whatever, just ran with it, knowing that word would get out instantly.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see how Rogers can't be suspended if he had that "clump" on the same spot during multiple games. That's pretty damning if you ask me.

There is no proof of any wrongdoing by Rogers. I'm a Tiger fan, and the pictures do look damning, but the only way to prove it would be for the umpires to be asked by TLR to go check out Rogers when the stuff IS ACTUALLY ON HIS HAND. TLR opted not to do this. Therefore, end of story.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

With regards to Buck and McCarver, at least in the Detroit area, we can listen to the game on the radio with the audio of the tv off.

Dickerson > Buck
Price > McCarver

Plus, because of the delay, it seems that the radio broadcasters can tell the future very accurately!

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Que I was being facetious. Anyway...

Peepee, I can understand your position as a Tigers fan; it's probably spilled milk/water under the bridge now since no issue was made of it before Rogers cleaned off his hand. But still, I've now seen photos of Rogers with that stuff on his hand during his ALDS and ALCS appearances, plus a July game against the White Sox, and possibly the All-Star Game. It is pretty damning circumstantial evidence, if nothing else, that Rogers has cheated for at least half of this season.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

"There is no proof of any wrongdoing by Rogers."

Um come on, he had a SUSPICIOUS looking spotting on the same area of his hand during MULTIPLE home games. His claims that it was dirt as an excuse is ridiculous unless you believe he was washing everything but that one part of his hand for multiple months but it was magically cleaning itself during road games.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Its a funny thing, this idea of "cheating". Most baseball fans have a different view of Barry Bonds' supposed cheating, and Gaylord Perry's.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Sorry, dude, I didn't know you were being facetious.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

btw, did anyone hear Sparky Anderson's press conference before the game? Now THAT was painful.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

How's that, peepee? I think Bonds' career should just have asterisks in every offensive category.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

that's your line, barry.

Actually, my line is and has always been to establish guilt before dishing out punishments.

OTM. Get caught cheating -> consequences. Otherwise, nothing. Defending pitchers doctoring the ball as "part of the game" while hanging other players for breaking other rules is stupid talk.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but its cute when an emory board is flung to the grass. kidneys imploding at age 55? not so cute.

― manute lol (sanskrit), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

ok we're in agreement then.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

"There is no proof of any wrongdoing by Rogers."

By proof, I meant the kind of proof that could lead to an ejection or suspension.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

How's that, peepee? I think Bonds' career should just have asterisks in every offensive category.

I just meant that the idea of pitchers doctoring the ball is usually romaticized by baseball fans, but steroid use is not. But both are "cheating".

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Does doctoring a ball really help it?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Depends on what is being done to it. Using last night as an example, not much at all.

If Rogers has been doctoring the ball all this time, it amazes me that 1) he'd be so blatant about it and 2) only now has it been noticed.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitball

The spitball was permitted in the major leagues until 1920. When the prohibition was introduced, it was recognized that there were some professional pitchers who had built their careers in large part on the spitball. A special exception was made for these 17 named players, and they were permitted to throw spitballs for the rest of their careers.

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

Gaylord would sniff red peppers to make his nose run or he'd put vaseline on his zipper because umps would never check there.

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

one thing (doctoring a ball) is illegal in baseball
one thing (using and procuring steroids) is illegal in every part of the united states

i do think there is a difference

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

one thing (using and procuring steroids) is illegal in every part of the united states

Stated lie this, no.

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Screwing around in the back yard and in practices, I never saw a noticeable difference -- whether the ball was significantly scuffed, had a little wetness on it, or whatever. Spitballs (with actual spit): WHATEVER. It's almost impossible to NOT apply some sweat when the weather's right. Far crazier shit happens with knuckleballs and a little wind, anyway.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah exactly. I think a knuckleball would zig and zag a lot more than a spitball.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

where are steroids legal, lee? and can u get me some?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

You got asthma?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Did you try it like this?

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

yes i have "asthma"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't get all the legalisms, but Will Carroll's roid book made it clear that 'use' is not nec considered illegal at all.

anyone hear Sparky Anderson's press conference before the game? Now THAT was painful.

was Tom Brookens mentioned? did he compare Polanco to Whitaker or Gehringer?

Nate Silver today:

Hire a crack team of physicists, from MIT or Stanford, and give them the FoxTrax data. Have them see if Rogers' pitches are actually moving in ways that it is physically impossible for a normal baseball to move. Perhaps in 30 years' time, we'll have the science all taken care of, and there will be three lights behind home plate: red for strike, green for ball, yellow for spitball.

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5646

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

A spitball would not be used in very cold weather, when its more difficult to grip the ball. A sticky substance would be useful under those circumstances.

.....

With regards to steroids, because MLB encouraged (or at least looked the other way) their use for so many years (ie. getting baseball's popularity back after the labour depute with a home run race unlike any other), I'm not so sure that the users were the big villains they were (are?) made out to be.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Did you try it like this?

Probably (it has been many years). Maybe I threw it too fast, or too slow, or maybe it was always the wrong phase of the moon -- or maybe I didn't work at it long enough. Curveballs and the occasional knuckleball were effective enough, and my fastball broke willynilly, so I never pursued it too far to begin with. I always though it was dumb to enforce an actual-spit spitball when sweat (or rain) are usually so readily available.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'd love to see some off season studies--real studies--of spitballs vs. regular balls and doctored balls v. non-doctored balls, because I don't really buy it.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Brookens is managing Oneonta!

"Chris Pittaro -- I don't care what anyone says. That kid could play."

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pittach01.shtml

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Well hpencil, since you put scare quotes around asthma, I think you might be facetious there. However, you can still score steroids. All you need to do is get some HIV or cancer first.

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

are you steve shasta? when i wrote "procure" i meant WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION, duh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so, pinetar: More than anything it helps a pitcher grip a baseball, and is especially useful when it is cold. There was no inhuman movement on Rogers pitches last night. If it's unfair to use something that helps you grip a baseball, then the following things must also be banned: batter's gloves, pinetar (on bats), sunglasses, under-eye cork, etc.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Andy, no foreign substance is allowed to be applied to the ball by the pitcher, period. Your post makes no sense.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

I realize that's the rule.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Can the ball be injected with steroids?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

Unless there is certifiable proof* that pinetar can add movement to a pitch -- more movement than the application of rain or sweat! -- there is no reason why pitchers should be prevented from using pinetar. A hitter can use pinetar (and gloves) to help him grip a bat. Why can't a pitcher use the same exact thing to help him grip a ball?

*If this does exist, then nevermind.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Besides, baseball is an anvil and a smokescreen away from being as pure as The Wacky Races, so I don't even know why I think about this shit.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

hpencil: I have no doubt that's what you meant, but the phrase "using and procuring steroids" doesn't stipulate anything about prescriptions.

BBT: Is spit "foreign"? Does it have shifty and untrustworthy eyes and talk in a funny accent?

DEAR ANDY_K,

I WILL NOT HAVE YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE BESMIRCH THE INTEGRITY OF WIENER RACES.

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'd love to see some off season studies--real studies--of spitballs vs. regular balls and doctored balls v. non-doctored balls, because I don't really buy it.

I'm not sure why you insist on being unconvinced ... this issue isn't in dispute. Doctoring a ball creates movement, the physics is straightforward, and we have 100+ years of pitching lore to back it all up.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure there is proof that a sticky substance like pine tar enables the pitcher to get a tighter grip on the ball, which in turn allows him to get more movement on the ball. That is not in the least analagous to a batter being able to hold onto his bat.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

lee, i'm for less wilfully obtuseness on ilx, not more.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

-- NoTimeBeforeTime (mbvarkestra197...), October 23rd, 2006

Links, please. I mean, let's have some proof please.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

See the Bill James Historical Abstract for one, or the Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers.

anyhow Tony La needs to ask himself WWBMD?

(wha wd Billy Martin du)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

the only proof i need:

http://www.amazon.com/Way-Baseball-Works-Dan-Gutman/dp/0684816067

In this generously illustrated, well-written, and very entertaining study of baseball and its intricacies, Gutman examines virtually every detail of the game via text and diagrams. Of special note in this current season of home-run madness is a chapter on the historical composition of balls: how they're made and what quality-control standards are applied. Gutman also includes chapters on bats, gloves, the evolution of the uniform, and the history of the batting helmet. He shows readers how to grip a curveball, a fastball, and a split finger. Ever wonder why a scuffed or otherwise doctored ball is so effective? Gutman will tell you. Other topics include the effects of age on players, the relationship between the ball-and-strike count and the success of the batter, and how groundskeepers doctor the field to help the home team. Former player and broadcaster Tim McCarver provides an introduction and dozens of anecdotal sidebars. A must for any baseball collection. Wes Lukowsky

― gear (gear), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Former player and broadcaster Tim McCarver provides an introduction and dozens of anecdotal sidebars

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

; )

― gear (gear), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

and how groundskeepers doctor the field to help the home team

OMG GROUNDSKEEPERGATE

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

how i wish it said "former broadcaster"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Ever wonder why a scuffed or otherwise doctored ball is so effective?

I've been meaning to get this and the James/Neyer book.

Significantly raised seams: the only baseballs that seemed to move noticeably more than others, especially on two-finger/with-the-seams fastballs (more rise). Balls with various scuff marks at 85 mph versus brand new baseballs at 85 mph -- no noticeable differences, from my experience.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Andy, are you singlehandedly refuting 100 years of established baseball folklore?

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

-- manute lol (mikeoptin...) (webmail), October 23rd, 2006 11:25 AM. (sanskrit) (later) (link)

hgahahalaolohlhohl

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Andy, are you singlehandedly refuting 100 years of established baseball folklore?

Not necessarily.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, couldn't the dirt be tobacco juice? Doesn't he dip?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Que, unless he spills his dip on that exact same spot on his hand every time (OK, at least 4 documented times, probably more to come)...doubtful.

He cheated, guys.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

"By proof, I meant the kind of proof that could lead to an ejection or suspension."

I am pretty sure that if the MLB looks it and determines that he has the same foreign substance in the same spot on the same hand on many different occassions that if MLB wants to they will be able to suspend him. That's pretty strong circumstantial evidence that Roger has been screwing around.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

From another board:

The "expert" on ESPN just now reporting from Busch Stadium said that he was in the locker room and heard the Cardinal players talking about "any pitcher who didn't use pine tar in cold weather would have to be crazy" or something like that. Someone posted it already, but I just heard it now on ESPN again.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I do think it's entirely possible that it could've been a dirt/rosin/moisture combination the whole time. (Post-first-inning shots show a similar substance, albeit not in such a large splotch, on the same hand.) Rogers would have to be out of his mind to be that blatant that often with pinetar. (I'm not saying he couldn't possibly be out of his mind.) Any contact I have ever had with pinetar has been almost like dealing with epoxy and I never even used it on a wooden bat; not that I would know if there are varying levels of stickiness with brands/grades/whatever.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

are you steve shasta? when i wrote "procure" i meant WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION, duh.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), Today 12:47 PM. (hstencil)

so hstencil how do you get all your party favors?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

i pay for booze at the bar.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

O_o rly?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

yes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

i was given a pot brownie last weekend though. i did not purchase it. plus more and more studies are showing that marijuana has a beneficial health effect, esp. wrt alzheimer's. can't say the same for 'roids.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, you should probably stay out of the medical field.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

sure thing, dr. shasta.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

1. The most wide spread use of anabolic steroids is their use for chronic wasting conditions including cancer and AIDS.

2. Anabolic steroids are used widely in the medical field without any serious health risks to users and no scientific evidence has shown any long term serious health defects from correct use of anabolic steroids. While risk of death is present in many drugs, the risk of premature death from use of anabolic steroids seems to be extremely low.

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

yeah lee my stepmom took anabolic steroids when she had lymphoma. if you honestly think that a cancer patient has much in common health-wise with a professional athelete (who would be taking steroids unsupervised and unprescribed by a doctor), then i really really don't know what to tell you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

also, that's wikipedia. not exactly the most accurate aribter of information out there.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Most people who self-administer marijuana do it to combat Alzheimer's then?

You're implying that steroids have no "beneficial health effect[s]".

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

i have not implied that at all!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

i guess you can continue to attribute thoughts and intentions to my words that they do not contain or even imply, but it's really fucking annoying.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

You said: "plus more and more studies are showing that marijuana has a beneficial health effect, esp. wrt alzheimer's. can't say the same for 'roids."

Unless you're specifically talking about steroids vis-a-vis Alzheimer's, you're contrasting roids vs. pot re: "beneficial health effect[s]."

Now I know how Shasta feels! I'll never doubt him again.

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

that wasn't what i was saying at all. i can't believe i'm even arguing this, on the internets, in 2006. my stepmom almost died from cancer. she took steroids in addition to getting chemo, administered to her by her oncologist. obv. i know there are benefits to steroids, again, when administered properly by a medical professional. i can't believe i would even have to state that, unless you're being completely disingenuous, and playing at something which again has little to nothing with what i wrote.

what that has anything to do with any baseball player possibly taking steroids supplied by someone who didn't even go to medical school, in order to supposedly "enhance performance," i have no idea. but all i said upthread was that doctoring a ball, while illegal in the sport of baseball, is not, of course, illegal in the actual world. i can doctor balls all the livelong day and there is no anti-baseball-doctoring enforcement agency that will come after me. however, if i, or you, or barry bonds or whomever buys (and potentially posesses, though i'm not 100% sure on that) anabolic steroids without a prescription, there is the very real possibility of prosecution. it's not really that difficult to figure out. additionally, if you or i buy and possess marijuana, there is also the possibility of prosecution (however unlikely).

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

This article from the oft retarded Jon Heyman was pretty interesting.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

Is that one bullpen coach or 12 bullpen coaches? He sez the same thing TWENTY times!??!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

"I bet Tony La Russa's pitchers are mad at him for saying anything, because a lot of guys do it, and I'd be surprise if there's a whole staff of guys who don't do it. In fact, I'd say a majority of guys use one of the three -- shaving cream, suntan lotion or pine tar. They can't like him ratting out the other team when everyone does it. Maybe he had to say something because it's the World Series, it's on TV and he probably has to answer to his owner.

"But you'll notice he didn't continue to talk about it, and he instructed his guys not to talk about it. They probably have no interest in catching Rogers because if they do then the umpire is looking at everyone.''

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if LaRussa HATES McCarver now/more.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Poor, naive, McCarver probably thought he was helping out the team. :(

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

However this pitching coach apparently is not in agreement with Gaylord Perry -- at least not the Gaylord Perry pinetar post on YARD-WORK.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

"(who would be taking steroids unsupervised and unprescribed by a doctor)"

isn't a big part of the problem the fact that these athletes are getting legitimate prescriptions from doctors? or am I thinking of HGH? I know that's what happened with the linemen from the 2003 Panthers team anyway, and i bet hella dudes are getting them shits prescribed~~

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

La Russa on Rogers: 'I don't believe it was dirt'
BY BEN WALKER
ASSOCIATED PRESS BASEBALL WRITER
10/23/2006

Tony La Russa kept talking about Kenny Rogers, his words from the interview room booming all around Busch Stadium, courtesy of the PA system. One by one, the Detroit Tigers stopped their workout to listen.

"I don't believe it was dirt," they heard the Cardinals manager say. "Didn't look like dirt."

A lot of baseball fans weren't buying Rogers' explanation, either. So instead of looking to Game 3 of the World Series, the focus Monday stayed squarely on Game 2. Specifically, it focused on what Rogers had at the base of his left thumb -- and whether it was there before.

Some photographs from Rogers' start in the AL championship series against Oakland showed what appeared to be the same kind of smudge on his pitching hand that caught everyone's attention Sunday night.

Prompted by La Russa, the umpires asked him to clean off his left hand, and Rogers pitched eight shutout innings in a 3-1 victory that evened the World Series at one game each.

Rogers, who's gone from playoff farce to postseason force this October, insisted it was an innocent mistake.

"I rub up the balls between the innings and before the game all of the time," Rogers said Monday. "I rub up the bullpen balls I pitch with with mud, resin, spit. I do it all the time. They rub the ball up, too, with mud before the games.

"The game balls, they're dirty. Usually, when I get done, there's not much on my hand, but I guess a little bit more than normal. I wiped it off and proceeded to pitch seven pretty good innings," he said. "Mud, resin, sweat. It's always there. I try not to go crazy with it, but it's not making my pitches do anything crazy."

Later, it was La Russa's turn to have his say. His off-day news conference was piped over the Busch Stadium public-address system, so his thoughts echoed from every corner of the empty ballpark.

The Tigers had just come onto the field for practice, and they were instantly surrounded by La Russa's voice giving a lengthy analysis.

The first question was about Rogers, who has pitched 23 scoreless innings this postseason -- after going 0-3 with an 8.85 ERA in previous postseasons.

La Russa's answer went on for five minutes.

He said he brought the smudge to the umpires' attention, but did not demand they search Rogers. They didn't. La Russa also said the Cardinals were aware Rogers had a similar spot earlier in the postseason.

"I said, `I don't like this stuff, let's get it fixed.' If it gets fixed let's play the game. It got fixed, in my opinion," he said.

"If he didn't get rid of it, I would have challenged it. But I do think it's a little bit part of the game at times and don't go crazy," he said.

La Russa also said he talked to the Cardinals before they worked out Monday.

"I briefly explained where I was coming from and I said, 'Anybody felt like I should do different, then I disappointed you.' ... And they didn't raise their hand and say, 'Hey, I disagree,' they just didn't say anything," he said. "But it's very possible there were guys that disagreed. It's not the way we want to win."

It's become perhaps the most-discussed Series smudge since Game 5 in 1969, when Mets manager Gil Hodges brought umpire Lou DiMuro a ball with shoe polish to persuade him that Cleon Jones had been hit by a pitch from Baltimore's Dave McNally.

Asked about the flap, Tigers manager Jim Leyland brushed it aside.

"I'm not going to chew yesterday's breakfast and I'm not going to comment on it," he said.

Baseball's vice president of umpiring, Mike Port, said Randy Marsh's crew took a "pro-active" stance to diffuse the dirty issue. Rogers is scheduled to pitch in Game 6, if the Series returns to Comerica Park.

"Certainly things carry forth and create a certain vigilance," Port said.

Game 3 is Tuesday night, with reigning NL Cy Young winner Chris Carpenter starting against Nate Robertson.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

"(who would be taking steroids unsupervised and unprescribed by a doctor)"

isn't a big part of the problem the fact that these athletes are getting legitimate prescriptions from doctors?

Speaking of conversations that I can't believe we're having on the internet in 2006, fucking DUH. Stence, do you really think that the likes of Marion Jones and Justin Gatlin were covertly sticking needles in their asses, well out of sight of the trainers and doctors who thought they were training at the time? You seem to think we're living in the late 1960s, when bodybuilders and pro wrestlers were injecting all sorts of junk that they didn't know anything about. Athletes like Gatlin and Jones eat when they're told, sleep when they're told, and take "supplements" when they're told. It's part of their normal regimen, and it's as tightly controlled as anything they do on the field/track.

No athlete wants to die, and they'd be a fucking idiot to be on a steady diet of PED's without doctoral supervision. Same with blood dopers. There's nothing technically complex about it -- taking blood is simple, storing it is simple -- but you'd have to be a complete moron to mess around with your own blood without doctoral supervision, which is why doctors are in charge of all the blood doping rings.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.onesheetindex.com/pix/3677_1.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

btw "roids" is an annoyingly inexact term that refers to a whole range of substances that don't have much if anything in common. really, read the Carroll book, esp since I did during the summer and have forgotten 95% of what it said.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

that's quite an endorsement, morbs.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

consider MY AGE, Flaky!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Early onset of Alzheimer's, eh? I can prescribe you a little something for that.

― Dr. Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I have mastered 25th-century science, keep your Flintstones vitamins.

Let's go, Nate "Clean Hands" Robertson!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

If I were Robertson I'd write "TM STFU" in small print, just below my left thumb.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

This is the wrong night to be giving away FREE TACOS for home runs, Taco Bell!

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Haha Girardi. Who will take Macha before this is over? ESPN? Fox?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

daft punk is playing at chris carpenter's house

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, Jams.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Buck very excited about the fair-ball bunt.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

OH JESUS NOT GRILLI

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

Why does McC keep harping on the fact that if the first batter gets on base, he is more likely to come around to score than if there were already one or two outs?? First of all it is totally obvious. "Get that leading lady" has been a stock cliche in baseball for how long now? But mainly it's that he keeps saying if young pitchers really KNEW that when they came up to the big leagues (which they do), it would really help them. How? What changes in a pitcher's approach? "Whoa Tim I guess I'd better try gettin the other team out. Thanks for enlightening me you enormous ass."

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

This is the wrong night to be giving away FREE TACOS for home runs, Taco Bell!

haha, i was thinking the same thing. and that jeannie zelasko might be a lurker here.

― manute lol (sanskrit), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

"please america, take our tacos"

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/3540572/134.jpg

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

Sense of humor: retained for the moment.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

Well, thanks to a handful of debatable plate calls, here's the anticipated Pujols-Zumaya match.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

That would be a rookie mistake

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

fuck this shit

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

i hope they had a radar gun on 3rd base

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

Reading: OOPS

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my. Not throwing to the right base. Not waiting 'til the guy got to the base. And then throwing it wide of the base.

That could be the game.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

YES GRILLI IS WILD, see? Please pull him.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

Nevermind (12-straight-balls flashbacks whenever he appears)

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

I guess my "Tigers in 5" prediction isn't going to happen.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

The Tigers look awful. I can't remember ever seeing a team look so bad in the WS that was favoured as much as the Tigers are. They were 90% into a Todd Jones meltdown that would have had them in a 3-0 hole right now (they partially lucked out by TLR neglecting to hit for Molina). All the factors that made people favour the Yanks in the ALDS are on display right now. In ALDS Game 1 they did all the same things they're doing now -- hacking at everything at the plate, stupid decisions on defense -- and these are the same sorts of things that turned them from a great team into a bad one over the last third of the season.

I'm not sure there's a precedent for a team playing .700 ball for 2/3rds of the season and .400 ball for 1/3rd of it, making it to the WS and being favoured. The "true" Tiger team obviously lies between those two extremes, making them a 85-90 win team IMO. All the more reason to favour the Cards right now.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

The true Tiger team might end up with 95 wins. (That could be a crackpot theory, though.)

What if a team followed each win with a loss, distributed its runs evenly across the eight/nine innings, and rarely came close to losing a three-run lead in the ninth? Would that 81-81 team, by virtue of its consistency and lack of close calls, be a 90-95-win team?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

And yes, I am wholeheartedly in favor of favoring the Cards right now.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, Jams!

The Tigers are swinging like Larry Holmes in his late 40s.
I made it to the TOP of the 9th in this one! Closer!

Has McCarver said his canard about a leadoff walk scoring more often than a leadoff single yet? cuz THAT HAPPENS NOT TO BE TRUE.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

Is a leadoff walk still as good as a home run? Any updates on that?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Absolutely not, a leadoff home run does not set the stage.

― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

"mattbot is absolutely correct. The job of a leadoff hitter is to get on base."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I wouldn't've had a problem with this game (having the Tigers shut down by a reigning Cy Young winner with a sub-2.00 home ERA) if the Tigers hadn't also been shut down by Reyes.

1968:

Cardinals 4, Tigers 0
Tigers 8, Cardinals 1
Cardinals 7, Tigers 3
Cardinals 10, Tigers 1
Tigers 5, Cardinals 3
Tigers 13, Cardinals 1
Tigers 4, Cardinals 1

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Timmy Mac said at the open that there not a team in the majors who would want anybody other than Carpenter starting this game for them.

I don't know about your favorite team, but I have to believe the Astros would be perfectly happy starting Roy Oswalt in that situation, especially considering Game 6 of the NLCS last year.

― boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm waiting for Timmy Mac to talk about how his cat's breath smells like cat food, and how that relates to Craig Monroe's impending superstardom.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

hey, that could be a GREAT fox tie-in...

― maura (maura), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

So tonight.

Secret weapon: Vance Wilson

What d'ya think?

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

1934:

Cardinals – 8, Tigers – 3
Cardinals – 2, Tigers – 3 (12 innings)
Tigers – 1, Cardinals – 4
Tigers – 10, Cardinals – 4
Tigers – 3, Cardinals – 1
Cardinals – 4, Tigers – 3
Cardinals – 11, Tigers – 0

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Nate Silver suggests not Vance Wilson:

Leyland needs to find a way to get Marcus Thames and his 882 OPS onto the field. The odd man out should be Curtis Granderson, who is now 0-for-13 in the World Series, and has looked completely off-kilter in many of his at bats. Granderson plays a spectacular center field, and the Tigers would give something up by shifting Craig Monroe to center, opening left field up for Thames. The Tigers, however, have the right pitcher to pull the switch in Game 4 starter Jeremy Bonderman. Bonderman is both a strikeout pitcher and a groundball pitcher, meaning that there should be relatively few balls hit in Monroe's direction. The Tigers can always re-insert Granderson if they jump out to an early lead against Suppan.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Put Thames on the mound. Problem solved.

Why isn't anyone talking about last night's sparkling defensive play by NEIFI PEREZ?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Why isn't anyone talking about last night's sparkling defensive play by NEIFI PEREZ?

Small sample size.

― boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: even a blind chicken gets a kernel of corn sometimes

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061025

• Here's what the average e-mail coming from the St. Louis area looked like over the past 72 hours: "Hey, Simmons, let me be the 10,000th person to tell you that YOU SUCK! How do you like Quadruple-A baseball now, you pompous ass! The Cards are rolling through your so-called superior league! How does it feel to eat your words, butt wipe???? YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So that leaves me with two choices:

A. Retreat and admit that the Cards shoved it in my face.

B. Go down in flames like a shirtless Stephen Jackson egging the crowd on as he left the Palace after the Artest Melee.
---

That email sounds like me, but I aint shit talking until we win 4.

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Why do I continue to read Simmons even though I hate him so.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

For the same exact reasons so many of us listen to such horrible announcers and analysts.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

why was Neifi playing? Musta missed that.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Why isn't anyone talking about last night's sparkling defensive play by NEIFI PEREZ?

This reminds me of why it's a guaranteed LOCK that the Tigers will win the series. The Cubs have a history of sending the least deserving players in the majors off to be world champions. See also: Harris, Lenny (2003).

― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the Ex-Cub Factor was broken about 4 or 5 years ago...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

why was Neifi playing? Musta missed that.

Late in the game, he was a defensive replacement -- had to protect ~~that lead~~ those zeros.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Do the 2003 Cubs count as part of the Ex-Cub Factor?

xpost

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

This is a special case made up by me for those truly awful players who win championships just to spite me.

― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Sheehan on breaking the No Neifi Factor:

Leyland made a strange decision late in last night’s game, a double-switch in which he removed Brandon Inge, who made the last out in the top of the eighth, and inserted Neifi Perez into the #9 spot to play third base.

There are two reasons to make a double-switch. One, you want to have a better hitter than the pitcher bat in the next inning. Two, you want to avoid having to pinch-hit for the pitcher, so that he can go multiple innings. Neither of these things were in play. With the Tigers down four runs, any hope of seeing the bottom of the ninth inning was almost certainly going to involve batting around. No matter where the pitchers' spot was, it was probably going to have to come up again before the Tigers took the field in the ninth, which would mean the new reliever, in this case Fernando Rodney, was not going to pitch more than an inning.

By using Perez in the double switch, Leyland also put his worst hitter in the game leading off the final inning. As bad as this decision was, Leyland compounded it by then hitting for Perez to start the ninth. Leyland cost himself Brandon Inge and gained absolutely nothing. His pitcher wasn’t going to go more than an inning, and he was going to need a pinch-hitter to start the ninth. Using Omar Infante, who pinch-hit for Perez, at third base for an inning wouldn't have justified the move, but it would have at least saved a player.

It was a very strange set of decisions for a manager who has thousands of games’ worth of experience playing under National League rules.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Bbbut Neifi made that play and Leyland is a genius!

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

I hear it's raining in St. Louis. 90% of precipitation.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like the forcast is even worse for Thursday night.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

And also "90%" for Friday... but only 50-60% for tonight's likely playing time. They may have little choice but to get it in tonight.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Cardinals' Suppan Pitching and Politicking
By JOE LAPOINTE

ST. LOUIS, Oct. 25 — Jeff Suppan is scheduled to pitch for the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 4 of the World Series tonight at Busch Stadium. But his time on the mound will not be his only appearance on the telecast.

Mr. Suppan is one of several athletes who taped a 60-second political campaign commercial, to be broadcast on the Fox network’s national telecast of the game, urging Missouri voters to oppose stem-cell research and vote against Amendment 2 to the state constitution, on the ballot in the Nov. 7 election.

In a video copy of the ad, distributed by an anti-amendment group called Missourians Against Human Cloning and posted on the Internet, Mr. Suppan’s face appears in the first 10 seconds. He is not wearing a baseball cap in the ad.

“Amendment 2 claims it bans human cloning, but in the 2,000 words you don’t read, it makes cloning a constitutional right,” Mr. Suppan says in the ad. “Don’t be deceived.”

Other athletes who appear in the ad are Kurt Warner of the Arizona Cardinals football team, who formerly played with the St. Louis Rams, and Mike Sweeney of the Kansas City Royals baseball team. James Caviezel, the actor who played Jesus in the film “The Passion of the Christ,” also appears.

The stem-cell research issue has moved to the center of the Missouri Senate campaign between Jim Talent, the Republican incumbent, and Claire McCaskill, the Democratic challenger. Mr. Talent opposes the amendment; Ms. McCaskill supports it.

The actor Michael J. Fox, who suffers from Parkinson’s disease — one of many conditions that researchers hope to cure through stem-cell research — has taped a commercial supporting Ms. McCaskill and her stand on the issue.

Because that ad ran during an earlier World Series telecast, opponents of the amendment decided to respond in kind, even though the Senate election and the research amendment are state issues that only Missourians will vote on.

Connie Farrow, a spokeswoman for a group that favors the amendment, the Missouri Coalition for Life-Saving Cures, said that even though Mr. Suppan was one of her favorite Cardinal pitchers, she disagreed with his statements in the ad and would prefer the opinions of medical experts on questions of science.

“He’s wrong — respectfully, I say that,” Ms. Farrow said of Mr. Suppan in a telephone interview. “I would ask Jeff Suppan why Missourians don’t deserve to be treated the same as other Americans when it comes to health care.”

A spokeswoman for the anti-amendment group that distributed the ad said she was not authorized to speak to the media about it, but would try to arrange for an authorized representative to comment later today.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

FASCINATING

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

That's fucking weird.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Get a stem!
Morans

― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Detroit Tigers

1. Curtis Granderson, center field
2. Craig Monroe, left field
3. Carlos Guillen, shortstop
4. Magglio Ordonez, right field
5. Sean Casey, first base
6. Ivan Rodriguez, catcher
7. Placido Polanco, second base
8. Brandon Inge, third base
9. Jeremy Bonderman, pitcher

St. Louis Cardinals

1. David Eckstein, shortstop
2. Chris Duncan, right field
3. Albert Pujols, first base
4. Jim Edmonds, center field
5. Scott Rolen, third base
6. Preston Wilson, left field
7. Yadier Molina, catcher
8. Aaron Miles, second base
9. Jeff Suppan, pitcher

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

“Amendment 2 claims it bans human cloning, but in the 2,000 words you don’t read, it makes cloning a constitutional right,” Mr. Suppan says in the ad. “Don’t be deceived.”

I can't wait for the person who sues the government for abridging their right to be cloned.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

now I can't say "soop has been nails" without thinking of jebus.

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

I already didn't like Pujols and now I like him even less.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yawn.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Get a stem!
Morans

:coffeeonmonitor:

Thanks, Mattbot.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

the cards are pretty hateable overall, but then again i'm a cubs fan. and i've always thought jim edmonds was a dick.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast-hourly.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&zipChg=1&zipcode=63188&metric=0

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

This is why I root for California teams... it was like 75 and clear today.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

"Fox scores best ratings of the series so far thanks to reruns of 'The War At Home'"

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 26 October 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

wow that story was kind of a bummer :( still, how can you read about pujols' little autistic daughter and hate him???

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

okay wait she has downs syndrome. whatever same thing lol.

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

that selfish bastard http://www.pujolsfamilyfoundation.org/index2.html

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

(...and he hit 3 home runs on down's syndrome awareness day at the park)
(...and he was nominated for the Roberto Clemente award this year)

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

With two more days of rain, the Cards can take Game 4 and turn the ball over to Carpenter to close out the series in five. Simple!

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 26 October 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer to think of this as Carlos Guillen's shot at being Mr. November. That is, if the Tigers ever take a pitch again.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

From Stark:

Asked what he did for three hours Wednesday, while he was waiting for baseball officials to figure out whether they were going to play, Leyland replied: "I smoked about a carton. It was probably one of the worst days of the year -- for my lungs."
While he rummaged through his cigarette supply, though, his players and coaches were rummaging through the equipment supply -- looking for anything that might be able to protect them from the rain and/or cold.
"I'm going with seven layers," said first-base coach Andy Van Slyke. "It's like my seven-layer Mexican dip."

― mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Pyscho to thread.

― mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer to think of this as Carlos Guillen's shot at being Mr. November. That is, if the Tigers ever take a pitch again.

They've taken plenty of pitches. The problem is that most of them have been much more hittable than the ones resuling in wimpy flares, swinging bunts, etc. Rob Deer disease.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I defer as you probably have slept through less of it than I have.

Jayson Stark (I watched all of '75 but don't remember this):

Back in 1975, another World Series was thrown into turmoil by nonstop rain. After Game 5 of that Series was played on a Thursday, Friday was a travel day, and that was followed by three straight rainouts Saturday, Sunday and Monday.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Busch Stadium radar guns low for Zumaya pitches

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Zumaya should obviously spend that time thinking about what to do if a ball is hit to him.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Instead of "HOLY SHIT, HOT POTATO... UHHH HERE -- FUCK FUCK FUCK!"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

doesn't all the criticism of zumaya's throw sort of overlook the fact that 3b, uh, fell down?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

he threw it pretty wide down the line.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty wide, yes.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but if dude doesn't fall down he still has a chance at it. i don't really get the criticism when there's a force out everywhere except home.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Not really, it's a force play and Inge had to stretch like a 1B to make the play and the throw was totally off line.

It's difficult to dive for a ball when you're doing the splits = Inge falling.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Inge had to stretch like a 1B to make the play

aren't 1Bs known for being worse fielders than 3Bs?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

i mean i understand zumaya getting the throwing error. i just don't understand mccarver et al. going on about "he shoulda thrown to second." i think either way is a valid play, given a good throw and your baseman not falling down. the way i saw the replay, it looked like inge fell down not in reaction to where the ball was thrown, but not from having been set for the play in the first place.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

The ball was thrown in the direction opposite of where Inge was heading. He could have only prevented the ball from going past him, which would've been asking for A LOT.

Had Zumaya thought about the situation beforehand, he would've been able to set up and throw to second to begin the much easier double play option.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Inge would've had to be on the line in order to make it to the base for a bang-bang play like that.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Especially when Zumaya panicked and off-balance whipped it over there.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

i just watched the clip again and mccarver says initially that inge wasn't set, then says it's an "egregious error" on zumaya.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Did you check it online? I wouldn't mind seeing it again.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

they went on and on about the Zumaya throw because 1) it very rarely happens, usually the pitcher in that situation will throw to 2nd, and in fact they came up with some crazy stat that it hadn't happened since 1908 or some shit and 2) it was pretty much the whole game, Cards scored two runs on the play and I think if you watch enough baseball you can recognize that some games have two or three crucial plays where the game gets away from one team.

― mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

he wasn't set for the play b/c he wasn't expecting a throw.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Tigers' offense would've continued to be brutal and shut down completely if the score had remained 2-0.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

huh?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the clip's on mlb.com, on the game wrap-up.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

huh?

The score was already 2-0 when those runs were scored off Zumaya -- the Cardinals already had enough runs, so runs three and four were not the ballgame. Had Zumaya gotten out of that inning without giving up any runs, the Tigers' offense would'n't've suddenly kicked into gear.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, gotcha. Your post says I think the Tigers' offense would've continued to be brutal . That's why I didn't understand. And I totally agree with you, but just saying it seemed like one of those plays that defined the game.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Right -- I don't think that awful play had any bearing on the outcome. There's no doubting it made the loss more frustrating. The fifth run didn't have to happen, either.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Albert Pujols has a daughter with Down Syndrome, and the St. Louis Cardinals' annual "buddy walk" game always seems to bring out his best.

Children with Down Syndrome circled the field in pregame ceremonies and then stood with players at their positions during "The Star-Spangled Banner." More than a few asked him to hit a home run for them.

He then homered in his first three at-bats, honoring Isabella Pujols and all special needs children in a 6-3 victory over the Pittsburgh Pirates on Sunday.

;_;

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha - he lucked out with his opponent that day!

Down Syndrome Child: "Mr. Pujols pwease hit me a homewun"
Chorus of children: "Hit us all a homewun"
Albert Pujols: "Uh... who we playing?... The Pirates! No problems.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

poo holes

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is at a crossroads.

― mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

*cues bone thugs 'n harmony*

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

MEET U AT THA CROSSROADZ

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

bone thugs get back in the cabinet, cleveland fans.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

He then homered in his first three at-bats, honoring Isabella Pujols and all special needs children in a 6-3 victory over the Pittsburgh Pirates on Sunday.

Wow, Paul O'neill couldn't even hit two for that little sick kid on Seinfeld.

― boldbury (boldbury), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Only sporadic rain tonight, looks like we got a game folks!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

Let's play two

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Nikko!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

For those who don't know: Nikko was/is determined to "bring the soul back" to R&B.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Seriosly....

You guys over there gotsta do something about that song!

(seriously)

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

I would watch ten consecutive hours of one War at Home episode in exchange for a Tigers victory.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Or I would spend ten consecutive hours listening to 3rd Bass with Michael Rappaport.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Not a lotta talk about Bonderman...

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

i was stuck behind that fucker in the drive-thru lane at mcdonald's once. dude loves his milkshakes and chicken nuggets.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Tiger double-play! Good sign.

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Another good sign.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Well, two, actually.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Pudge looking better at the plate -- almost all his foul balls throughout the past three games were slight tips. Hit a hard foul, then the single.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, it's apparent Pudge is awake again.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, FUCK THAT. Edmonds shouldn't have to rely completely on the right fielder to tell him about a runner tagging.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Re: Zumaya's throw -- I don't know what some of you guys were watching, but that throw wasn't anywhere close to the bag. Inge fell down trying to reach well behind him to snag it! And throwing to the bag was a senseless decision, if he throws to second they end up with a runner on third and two outs vs a MUCH more difficult double play to end up with a runner on second and two outs. The benefit is virtually nil.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

Buck and McCarver really really make it unfun to watch this. That homer was electrifying given Suppan's first inning and Buck's like "that might go. Yep, it's a homer." FUCK YOU

I know I know, preaching to the choir.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone hear an echo? :)

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's a very delayed one, but it's there nonetheless.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

(Two xposts referring to NTBTMBVA, btw.)

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Someone better tell Edmonds that a pitch is coming.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Buck and McCarver really really make it unfun to watch this.

I'm still horked off over 80+ years of futility being ended to the call of "Red Sox fans have longed to hear it" muttered halfheartedly.

Hey has anyone seen Suppan's "NO TO CLONES" political ad? 'Cause I hope he acts the exact same way he did just now in that Scooter bit.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

That's what I thought it was going to be!

Casey, wtf?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I had braced for it. "Tim, here's your buddy Scooter..."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

Or whatever Buck said.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE, MY FRIENDS

Poor "likeable" ({c} Buck) Jeff Suppan

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Gambling on the weather report would be a dumb idea, but if rain washes out this game 30 minutes from now, then the bottom of the 4th right now was equivalent to the bottom of the 8th in a real game. In that case, TLR should have pinch-hit for Suppan (who hasn't been throwing all that well).

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

Good god, Casey.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

When's the last time a WS game went less that 9 innings?

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

Bonderman looked really pissed.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

Timmy Mac said: "Dart throwers toss darts, and pitchers throw the ball." It was a complete thought, and I don't know why he said it.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's gotta be frustrating to get a visit after striking someone out, regardless of the circumstances.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't hurt there, apparently.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

Cards blew a big chance there, although the last two batters looked badly fooled by the change.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Wave a flag, moran"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

Not a better song...

...unless America sneezed.

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

Slippery grass there.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

Slippery hands too.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

He picked up the ball fine, McRLY -- he just hurried the throw.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, let's see those errors again.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

After viewing the replay I stand corrected.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't mean you, Michael -- just to clarify.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

The Tigers' defense has taken a sudden A's ALCS-like nosedive.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Zumaya and Rodney looked completely spooked on those throws. Terrible instincts and terrible execution.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Tiggers done in by a wet field and nervous fielding pitchers.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

You'd think Rodney would've taken note!

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

Bring Thames in to pinch hit for Rodney, pretty please.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

Very surprised Inge got a fastball there.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

Great game!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

Thames had 20 doubles and 26 HRs in 110 games, btw. I don't think he has played since Gomez hit that homer early in the A's series.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

This should be great if it goes to extra innings.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

(And with a higher slugging percentage than Guillen, but whatever.)

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

Can we program the Busch Stadium gun to display E1 from here on out?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Walker, Walker, Walker

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

"Yakety Sax" was a nice touch there.

― govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

Zumaya couldn't throw under 98 MPH if he tried!

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

Let's see -- how deep had Eckstein hit the ball previously? Oh, yeah -- deep enough that we all saw Granderson's back.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, Monroe -- don't sulk on the bench or anything.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

That was frustrating.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

shit

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

add 'n to eckstein baby :) :) :)

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, well, the Cardinals have blown at least two 3-1 World Series leads.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ouch, bnw. Just ouch.

Man, the Tigers totally deserved to lose that one.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

These throwing errors have been some Little League bullshit.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

You a BoSox fan, Tracer, don't front. nothin' but love :)

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Taco Time tomorrow.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

With competent defense tonight, the Tigers could easily have won this one.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently there was a "Clone Suppan!" sign at the game.

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

With a non-COMPLETELY SOAKED field tonight, the Tigers could have one this one, even *despite* the Rodney error

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 27 October 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

(although Zumaya's 4-straight job for the "dreaded lead-off walk" [tm] certainly was a killer

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 27 October 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

Tigs could start K-Rog if so inclined... or at least, he's "available" right?

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 27 October 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

Stormy, the slippery field contributed to Granderson's big error, but it also kept Edmonds from seriously pursuing Inge's RBI double that tied the game at 4. Other than that, I don't think the wet conditions factored into any of the Tigers' defensive miscues tonight.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 27 October 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

(The Edmonds/Inge play could have led to a Detroit lead, but didn't...still, the field conditions could have made the diff. tonight on the other side of the ledger.)

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 27 October 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I guess the Grandy thing sticks out so much becuz, y'know, one run is the differnce plus Fox showed it 437 times. but yess, the conditions flow "both ways"

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 27 October 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

What did Marcus Thames do to Jim Leyland btw?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

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― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 07:21 (nineteen years ago)

Leyland won't pitch Rogers due to the inevitably hostile environment. If I were him I'd strongly consider putting left-handed Ledezma out there. In fact, given Verlander's ever-decreasing power, I would be far more comfortable with Ledezma. I also like the "WTF?"-ness of it.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's cute how LaRussa always sits in post-game interviews with his hands on the table, like he's a six-year-old waiting to be served his bowl of macaroni and cheese.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

Verlander in the post-season:

10.05: 5.1 IP, 3 ER
10.11: 5.1 IP, 4 ER
10.21: 5.0 IP, 6 ER

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

What exactly is the argument for starting Weaver over Reyes in Game 5?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure it has something to do with tacos.

There's no way in hell they're giving Series MVP to anyone but the Little Midget That Could, agreed? or as NPR news called him in their 60-second story this morning, "the 5-foot 7-inch Eckstein..."

These are the two worst teams I've ever seen in the WS; second-half records don't lie. I really hate baseball sometimes.

Why does LaRussa take the shades off for the in-game interview? too Lou Reed?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

These are the two worst teams I've ever seen in the WS

I hope someone from BP is trying to figure this out. If true, I would pay closer attention (and root for more Neifi).

― mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

There WAS an article that showed the Cards are the worst participating Series team ever by third-order record.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

There's no way in hell they're giving Series MVP to anyone but the Little Midget That Could, agreed? or as NPR news called him in their 60-second story this morning, "the 5-foot 7-inch Eckstein..."

Um, barring the fact that he's not a midget, just short, he had, what three or four hits last night? At the beginning of the game he took like ten, eleven pitches from Verlander? The dude's a pain in the ass, which is what you want from your batters, duh.

― TROGDOR (Mr.Que), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

I know he is. But the Hype Machine is making him into the Second Coming of Joe Morgan (the Player), when he may not be one of the 200 best players in baseball.

4 hits (one of which went 40 feet, another which is caught on a dry field).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

I like David Eckstein (even though he might not be one of the best 200 players in baseball.) I like guys who no one gives a chance to play because they are too short, too fat, too whatever, and who still manage to carve a career out there anyway.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think the Cards right now are as bad as they were the last couple of months of the season. They seem a lot healthier for one.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I'd pay good money to watch Miles and Eckstein race around the bases. Preferably to the tune of "Yackety Sax."

― mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I am guessing Rolen gets the MVP if it ends today btw.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

It was the same when he was with the Angels in the WS, IIRC.
xpost

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

xpost re: Eckstein's hits

And yet another one that should have been caught.

It's bizarre how some people with no emotional interest in this series seem far more embittered than any of the Tigers fans (here, at least).

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Also: I really really really do not want them to miss anymore games b/c of rain.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Well it's not a very played series esp. by the Tigers. It's more fun to watch quality baseball so it does kind of piss me off.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Bonds is a huge fan of Eckstein.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

I am guessing Rolen gets the MVP if it ends today btw.

Have any non-pitchers won the WS MVP with one RBI?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

absolutely no way Rolen over MunchEck right now. MLB made up some 'Overlooked Player' Award just so the fans could vote it to Eckstein.

Andy, I'm not sure who you mean, but I am both emotionally involved AND embittered.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe you are right:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ath4cnEyaN6pGu0Mp8XbAGURvLYF?slug=mp-eckstein102706&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Also, BermanAss called Eck "A TOTAL MONSTER" on SportsCenter.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Andy, I'm not sure who you mean, but I am both emotionally involved AND embittered.

Well, yeah, it's gotta be tough to watch an 83-win team that eliminated the Mets stumble their way toward the WS victory.

I suggest a three-way tie for series MVP (as it currently stands): Reyes, Rodney, Mother Nature.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

You wish the Tiger's only problems were Rodney and Mother Nature.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Even less than that, believe it or not.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Another question: Has any healthy player with 26 regular season HRs sat out an entire World Series?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Did Thames play in the ALCS even?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

If Carpenter pitches again and does as well as he did in his first start then he should be MVP, hands down.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

So if Weaver pitches tomorrow and there are no rainouts does Reyes pitch Saturday or are they going to go with Carpenter on short rest?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Weaver's pitching tonight, if there's a game.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry tonight ahem was what I meant. Obv Sat tomorrow.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

Well it's not a very played series esp. by the Tigers.

The Cards have looked pretty good -- great starts from Carpenter and Reyes, all their big hitters contributing at the plate, Wainwright's been impressive, solid defense ... if they'd played like this vs, say, the A's team that beat Minnesota (NOT the A's team that didn't bother showing up against Detroit) then it would have been a very competitive six or seven game series with a lot of close games.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

If I'm the Cardinals, I'm trading Isringhausen in the offseason. Wainwright looks like the real deal to me.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I agree the Cards have looked pretty good, but the Tigers have really been helping them. The Cards are not as bad as they looked in September esp. now with Edmonds, Rolen and Eckstein looking pretty healthy, Encarnacion on the bench, and Weaver and Reyes channelling the god of quality starts.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Word on the street is that Wainwright will be in the rotation next year.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

So if Weaver pitches tomorrow and there are no rainouts does Reyes pitch Saturday or are they going to go with Carpenter on short rest?

I would want Carpenter back out there as early as possible, but I don't know how well he's fared on short rest in the past. Maybe the Cards are thinking the same thing, and saving Reyes for a possible Game 7 because he'd be a better option than Weaver? But even that would be a contradictory strategy, because why not put your best pitchers out there in Games 5 AND 6? Everyone will have to be available to pitch in Game 7 anyhow.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

forecast: rain stops by 8 or 9 tnite, field shd be soaked tho.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Rick Dempsey should be flown in to make the first slide, running from center field into home plate with a ball in hand.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

Taking the too-high road?

"No, it definitely wasn't wet, I'll let that be known right now," Granderson said afterward, in a classy display of refusing to make excuses. "I thought the conditions were great. Every ball I went left or right on, I felt in control. It just happened to be one ball I lost my footing on. You usually lose it when you make a cut left or right. I lost it when I planted."

Also funny how a reporter after the game referred to him as Gunderson.

The ESPN site has screwed up the identities of Thames, Monroe, and Granderson throughout the past month.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

No the "too-high road" is tonight when Taco Weaver takes the mound.

I would paste this in, but it's too big.

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/la/photo/wallpaper/y2004/weaver_1024x768.jpg

http://www.ultimateyankees.com/Jeff_Weaver_Biting_Glove.jpg

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Stadium Cam

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think I see the tarp.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds like it's expected the game will be played.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Two different strike zones so far.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

LOL game over

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE WAS THAT PITCH?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

Obviously the 57-footers are no help but the strike zone is no help

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

PULL HIS ASS RIGHT NOW

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

Job well done, Verlander -- time for ~~Ledezma~~ Grilli.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

lol chokelander

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

Gotta love McCarver's jab at Verlander and Casey being excited about no runs scoring.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ump is going through 1st inning jitters.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

OH, WOW. That was a strike?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

Tigers have got to get over these errors! Their fans must be throwing stuff at the TV now.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

i hope mccarver just jinxed taco time.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

nevermind. motherfucking tigers looking like the a's. shit's done.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

THANK YOU SEAN CASEY

OK MAYBE IT'S NOT DONE

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

haha stence

ooooh, bronx cheer for Duncan on that pop-out. tough crowd.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

Wow this is some of the most incompetent fielding ever.

To be fair though WTF was Edmonds doing? Trying to fuck with him?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

Dear pitcher for the Tigers: please be smart about this possibly upcoming bunt.

(Oh, McRLY: You can clean your spikes and have an infield meeting at the same time.)

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

McCarver has now laughed three times at the Tigers tonight.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

WTF??!???!?!

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

Good god.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

jesus fucking christ

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't there some bullshit about Rogers helping them with their defense, extra fielding practice, blah blah blah? This is fucking embarrassing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

ugh terrible.

― gear (gear), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

This is like a video game with a glitch that happens under very specific circumstances.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

Just when I thought the strike zone was approaching consistency...

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

even with the sz being screwy, you can't let jeff weaver do that to you and not deserve to fucking lose.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Huh-huh, how 'bout that error, Leyland?"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

"Hey, hey Leyland -- have you heard this song by Britney Spears called 'Oops I Did It Again'? It's pretty funny considering your team's circumstances, isn't it, huh-huh."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

"We were gonna go with something classic, like Snap!'s 'Oops Upside Your Head,' but Timmy overruled us."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

Haha: "In my view..."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Woah, Tim was right.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

Chris Duncan giving the Tiger pitchers a run for their money!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

This has to be the worst fielded World Series ever. Right?

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Neither team in six.

-- Andy_K

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

The fielding and fundamentals throughout this year's Little League WS were far superior to this.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

That was super pretty though by both Pujols and Weaver.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be out of my mind right now if I were Marcus Thames.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

btw albert you are very pretty

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

The fielding and fundamentals throughout this year's Little League WS were far superior to this.

-- Andy_K (boompingpin...), October 27th, 2006 9:23 PM.

now we just need the cameras to inadvertantly catch I-Rod shouting "ONE FUCKING RUN!!!"

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

Thames has probably heard the phrase "We gotta go with those who got us here" at least a dozen times during the last week.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Haha Stormy.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Pujols should bunt here.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

He could have put it out of reach by laying one down. What on earth was he thinking?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

(No pun intended)

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

Rodriguez to Rodney: "DON'T YOU FUCKING TOUCH IT."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

hate to be a downer but I really think Leyland should've started Kenny. Screw this "controversy" bs ... who dat gonna bettr handle the "pressure" of a hostile crowd? a 23 yr old kid or the girzzly ol veteran?? Dayum.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

Verlander did surprisingly well.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

The saddest stat is the number of runs scored by the Tigers against the number of unearned runs given up by the Tigers. It's almost even.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

Stormy, the Tigers still have to win Game 6. I can't argue with him starting Verlander, although he did look really nervous/wild tonight.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

yahbut I mean it's tone-setting and all that. I dunno.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

get Verlander back to D-town and mebbe he doesn't make the bad throw, who knows, all water under the bridge

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

"who dat gonna bettr handle the "pressure" of a hostile crowd? a 23 yr old kid or the girzzly ol veteran?? Dayum."

But Rogers has such a history of meltdowns and the way they purposely arranged all his post-season starts to not be on the road that you get the idea that pitching outside of Tiger's stadium made him very uncomfortable.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

Not using Bonderman for 1 and 5 and Verlander for 4 was the real mistake with the rotation.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

That said hindsight is always 20/20.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

Do they really just give a Corvette to the MVP? My uncle has one, and has explained to me often the intense and long-winded process of just being given the right to purchase one.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

stormy, watch this, you'll cheer up

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

this too

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

The rotation doesn't mean shit when your offense is averaging two runs a game.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

Great hustle on the part of Maggs. He was watching the ball until he was halfway down the line.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

haha stence - Mike North ... "He's my guy!!!"

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

what a time for a BLAST AND A BLOOP

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

For once that awful phrase doesn't sound so awful.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if that double is as good as a homerun, in McCarver-speak.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

PINCH RUNNER FOR THE GIMPY SLUGGER PLZ...

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

PINCH RUNNER FOR THE GIMPY SLUGGER PLZ

YES ANDREW BUT YOU MUST UNNERSTAND A WLAK IS JUST AS GOOD AS A HIT IN THIS SITCHUATION

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

< O RLY >

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

goddamn ivan rodriguez is such a disappointment.

back to searching for retarded shit on youtube, i guess

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

"Frozen" on a ball nearly in the dirt

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

GET TO THIRD MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

Woah, that last pitch was soooo close.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, let's see those errors again.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

goddammit c'mon inge!

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

nevermind.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

Congratulations, Cardinals.

Congratulations, bnw.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

yes, congratulations. i won't be a spoil sport. good job.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Weaver bro: the game is over.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats to the Cardinals, and to the NL!

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

"i won't be a spoil sport."

but i will! FUK U FUK U FUK U ST LOUIS

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

I WILL ENJOY ALL THESE UP AND COMING ERROR-FREE WINTER DAYS

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

i luv u, ade.

the idea of jeff weaver and braden looper with world series rings completely disgusts me.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

ah well, my dream "WHAT IF" comic is that St Lou sweeps the BoSox and D-Town is crowned this year.

but congrats to Tony La Russa, ALWAYS liked that guy even as Cards fans hated him, and I've rooted for the Cards in prior playoff scenarios. and one of my best friend's dad, Richard Holmes of Lake Forest Illinois, a die-hard lifelong Cards fan -- Dick Holmes, enjoy the bubbly

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats to the Cardinals for throwing it in the collective faces of all the baseball experts around (including me).

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

also kinda nice to see the best player in baseball get a ring so soon

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats to the Cardinals for throwing it in the collective faces of all the baseball experts around (including me).

this is true. dudes are going to be going off on ilbb for the next 6 months about the cardinals only having 83 wins, that's for sure.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

DEAR FOX: A HEARTY 'FUCK YOU' FROM THE MIDWEST

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

JEFF WEAVER BOWLED A PERFECT GAME ON HIS 16TH BIRTHDAY GUYS. HE IS A TRUE SPORTS VISIONARY

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

"also kinda nice to see the best player in baseball get a ring so soon

-- Stormy Davis (electrifyingmoj...) (webmail), October 27th, 2006 11:33 PM. (diamond) (later) (link)"

this was my thinking as well. I need never be happy for the Cardinals again now!

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

Jeanne said "break it in."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

"again now"? god wtf

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

foreshadowing:

Weaver goes to St. Louis!
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Auzy7QtMkc4Ce75yEt_FlgwRvLYF?slug=ap-cardinals-angelstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

But more importantly, I got some more news from my friend who lives not far from the site of the original taco eatery.

He says that Jered Weaver brought BRETT TOMKO in with him one evening, and that same night LIZ PHAIR(!?!?!?!) showed up.

This place is pretty much a dive, I had no idea it would be such a scene.

-- Steve Shasta (steveshast...), July 6th, 2006 12:26 AM. (Steve Shasta)

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

also, tony la russa, yes! there is a bad world series! we all just watched it! all 2 of us, nation-wide.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

eckstein with the mvp.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

AND SO IT IS ECKSTEIN

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

can he reach the pedals?

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

"OH SWEET I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAVE UP FOR A USED SAAB AND NOW I CAN STOP"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

They can have the seat taken out so he can just stand up.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

at least drunks with guns are from st. louis. that's one good thing.

go pistons!

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

How did they play baseball with all of those FINE CHEVROLET PRODUCTS on the field?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

well actally, Michigan collectively goes back to rooting for Big Blue ... tough Northwestern / Ball State / Indiana stretch coming up!!

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

tough Northwestern / Ball State / Indiana stretch coming up!!

that is some world-class sarcasm! luv u stormy.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

also nba season starts next wednesday!

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

WOOOOO BEN WALLACE IS MY BOYFRIEND

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://mimouni.marc.free.fr/ben%20wallace%20asg.jpg

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

ben wallace is on the bulls now. ;_;

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

and that's why I am now a bulls fan :(

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

U2 "One" = Luther "One Shining Moment" : interchangable at will

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

ben sold us out yo over a flip

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've never posted on I Love Baseball, but now I have arrived with the ultimate post:

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sorry. I was born in 1983 and I've been waiting my entire life for the Cardinals to win one. It figures that they'd win during the year when they actually weren't very good. oh well.

Ahem - WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

or is it : yo i heard flip got sonned in a ben wallace beef

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

the talk in d is that whenever Ben visits, instead of sounding the gong when he gets a rebound they will sound it when he clanks a FT

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

Positives:

I can start doing stuff during evenings now.
My wife gets her television back.
Tigers shouldn't have another losing season for at least 10 years.
I don't have to hear John Watermeloncougarcamp for a while...
(......a long while)

Negatives:

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― peepee (peepee), Saturday, 28 October 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

I really hate baseball sometimes.

The Cardinals > Neifi

Cubs fans lose big yet again.

― mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 28 October 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

at least drunks with guns are from st. louis.

Screamin' Mee-Mees, dude.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 28 October 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget Strangulated Beatoffs and Fruitcake, too.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 28 October 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

hmm .. two years in a row, and the Cubs' two most HATED RIVALS .. win the World Series. serious pain in Cubdom

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

i will always thank Baked Bean Teeth for exposing me -- Mark Foley style -- to the wonders of Drunks With Guns

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 October 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Lep-ro-seeeeeeee, lep-ro-seeeeeeee"...

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 28 October 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

Who was the last guy to win WS MVP for the losing team? I'm asking because it really should have been Casey this year. Although you could certainly argue that a team doesn't deserve to have one of its players named MVP when the series isn't remotely close.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 28 October 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

And why Eckstein over Rolen? (yeah, I know why)

Or even Molina, who hit very well and did a great job handling the pitchers (who were the real stars for STL).

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 28 October 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

Molina should have gotten it, I think. Eckstein made no sense. He did great in those last few games, but at the beginning of the series he wasn't getting on base at all. Even during the last few games, a few of his big hits were really just big errors by the Tigers.

― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Saturday, 28 October 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

It should've been given to the starting rotation. The Tigers scored 11 runs the whole series -- though I can't recall how many off them came off relievers. Regardless...

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

They had like, ten minutes to chose after the game was over.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 28 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Who is playing today????

HELP

SERIOUS BASEBALL WITHDRAWAL

HELP

That's it

Everyone to my place for whiffleball and hot cocoa

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Eck: Most Valuable Munchkin

Sports over until mid-February.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize we had a bonafide Cards fan. Congrats bnw.

Can't say I'm relishing next July's SABR game at Busch tho.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

and I woke up just in time to see Wainwright jump, after the out.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I was in a Chicago hotel room after meeting my new nephew (who already has cubs outfits, ohnoez). But yeah, there was crying in baseball last night :)

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 28 October 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

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