Super Mario Odyssey

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picture's worth 1000 subtitles

this game is good

there, i said it

Taste's very strange!

hahawehahahahahahahah

Supertato Odyssey

i'm a few hours into this now and it's predictably fun though certainly not a reinvention of mario like what they did with zelda

people talked up how this would be the long-awaited proper follow-up to mario 64 or whatever but really it pulls equally from all the past 3d marios - it's got some of the freeform exploration of 64, some of the setpieces and miniaturized challenge areas of galaxy, and some of the gimmickry and mission-style objectives of sunshine

also i love the music in the wooded kingdom, i have no idea how they got from 'woods level' to that but it owns

one of the things that makes 64 the best imo is its physics, how its possible to move super fast and violently through it, which is why its a speedruners fav

cider otm, but the hat flicking and "capture" is so enjoyable and quite new? (i did not play sunshine)

yeah its definitely more enjoyable than the sunshine water gun but it reminds me of it all the same

xp this one's definitely closer to galaxy in physics than 64, i've never seen sm64's physics "feel" replicated in any other game, by nintendo or not

they shd try to

i def remember running out of water guns in a childhood water fight and saying to a would be participant "hey, why don't you just get a hat and flick it at people maybe?" and then the would be participant kicking my ass

it's kind of refreshing how little they care about making the moons all big deals to get like the shines/stars in sunshine/galaxy. some of them require navigating a tricky platforming room or beating a boss like in those games but others you can just wander into a barely hidden room or behind a corner or whatever

yeah, and they don't break the flow

this is better than mario 64. i don't understand how anyone could play this and then pine for mario 64.

for sure, its just not as much in the lineage of it as people were claiming

lol i have reached a place that was...not shown in any of the previews and is an extremely weird sight for a mario game

an extremely weird sight for a mario game

trying to think what that might be, all i can come up with is a sisters of mercy concert

i want this game (and therefore a switch) but i also want several hundred bucks and some free time, honestly not sure which way to go

stupidly restarted zelda two nights ago and just really connected, guess it's mario time anyway!

it is healthy to switch between games on this magic device

Bullet Bill controls had me for a minute there

This game is good, I feel like I'm breezing through it though! But there'll be lots to go back to even after I beat Bowser, if I want to.

there's a vast amount of stuff that isn't even available until you do 'beat the game'

the world liberals want

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNJ_CcUUEAAXCT9.jpg

hell yeah

mario really fills out that wedding dress huh

'predictably fun' feels otm

one of the things that makes 64 the best imo is its physics, how its possible to move super fast and violently through it, which is why its a speedruners fav

― lag∞n, Friday, October 27, 2017 6:25 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cider otm, but the hat flicking and "capture" is so enjoyable and quite new? (i did not play sunshine)

― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, October 27, 2017 6:27 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whenever you possess something the sudden downgrade in precision of control, the different mode in which these entities exist in the world and different depth of fidelity, is jarring. not necessarily un-fun. but i feel like there's two games at odds with one another, one in which the appeal is that you have this avatar of subtle control and weight and another in which the appeal is MOOO HAAA HAA IM A FUCKEN TYRANNOSAUR

and i think these actively work against each other, at least for me, i am not taken by the novelty of having to switch forms when it means that switching forms is a sudden shift of gears to jankiness. i mean, it's not like it's a bad game. it's like, at least 50% better than shiny entertainment's messiah

definitely twice as good as omikron: the nomad soul

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capture controls don't bug me too much. the captured seem to have a single desirable ability. the shades guy felt like a joke about this. capturing makes the a mario-kirby hybrid in the end, which is cool. hey wtf are these bunnies, though?

i found a few of the captures fun esp the woodpeckers in the bowser level but agree that most of them are a big downgrade from just being mario

but you are still mario. you are just possessing each of these creatures and using its one ability to do something mario cannot do on his own.

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Mario picked up a new habit after his trip to New Donk City

Trading Grateful Dead tapes?

i have 369 moons after 2 days. my switch profile page refuses to tell me how many hours i've played, maybe it's trying to protect me

me i been froggin

guys i'm currently exploring bowser's 'inner walls'

I bought swinch a cpl weeks ago

coming off of zelda, this game is... ok

like overall it's pretty good, but a) they put a bunch of unfun, typical platformer shit in here, and b) it's v goofy and clearly designed for very little kids and I'm like 30 playing this shit

zelda otoh was one of the best games I've ever played

this is better than mario 64. i don't understand how anyone could play this and then pine for mario 64.

― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, October 27, 2017 12:44 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yikes no

it's v goofy and clearly designed for very little kids and I'm like 30 playing this shit

yeah yr right this would be so much better if mario was a bald space marine slogging through a world painted entirely in shades of brown

it's v goofy and clearly designed for very little kids and I'm like 30 playing this shit

yeah yr right this would be so much better if mario was a bald space marine slogging through a world painted entirely in shades of brown

Of course it's better than Mario 64.

Mario has never controlled better. No third person character has ever controlled better.

What does "unfun, typical platformer shit" mean? xp

It's not a revolution like BOTW, but it expands the ways in which a 3D Mario can operate, without losing the platforming part. Most 3d 'platformers' originating in the 32 bit era are not about platforming but about mucking about looking for shit. This is still about platforming, but allows for a looser structure, more exploration and more freeform platforming than before. Despite the more open nature of the worlds the game has never felt tighter or better paced.

yeah yr right this would be so much better if mario was a bald space marine slogging through a world painted entirely in shades of brown

― proton, neutron, electron and crouton (bizarro gazzara), Monday, October 30, 2017 2:27 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup this is the only other thing it could be and I'm mad that it's not!

What does "unfun, typical platformer shit" mean? xp

― abcfsk, Monday, October 30, 2017 2:27 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's a lot of 'navigate this one square wide stretch without making a single misstep or you die' on the level I'm on (sweets level)

That's what I come to Mario for. Hard platforming. It's what I want more of basically.

sorry ilxorz I made a typo when I mildly criticized this video game, meant to say 'this game is good but it would be better if capitalism was abolished'

that i can get behind

I beat Bowser yesterday. The last three worlds are collectively so fucking delightful.

got my Mario switch yesterday, had a few fun hours with it before bedtime. i haven't bought a Mario game new since SNES Super Mario All Stars so this is pretty crazy lol. absolutely gorgeous game!

really loving the trippiness of Mario's discorporate adventures. throwing the hat on the frog was really intense, seeing Mario being sucked through the bardos, his ego twisted into the cosmos on the way to renewed consciousness. then later seeing telephone wire electricity Mario... woah...

Mario's seen some things

he's basically Agent Cooper.

lol was just trying to post: mario over twisted copper pair is a twin peaks influence

T-Rex was awesome, i loved the smashy gameplay, and the naturalistic graphics were impressive. it was a little disconcerting to see the realistic dinosaur, given that we have (beloved) dinosaurs already in Mario and Yoshi looks nothing like a realistic T-Rex. its kind of eerie when you see it in a Mario game. i do love how this game plays with the Uncanny Valley type stuff. i saw a realistic human and car out in the desert. it was really funny to come across. i can't wait to see what they do with New Donk City.

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uh sorry if this is gonna kill your bandwidth

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non-exist-ent!

I beat Bowser yesterday. The last three worlds are collectively so fucking delightful

Otm, just got to the end credits and the last few worlds were amazing, so many interesting curve balls one after another. One of the areas had a track that sounded like Sun Ra in places! Now to see what the post game stuff is like ...

this game is almost as good as sonic 3 and knuckles

yeah I still can't get over how pretty the Bowser's castle level is in this, that was a fantastic stylistic choice

Continuing to fuck around looking for moons, buying outfits, and jumping forever on NPCs is delightful enough to keep me from going back to my Stardew Valley farm just yet. It's good.

It's good.

agree, solid B-/C+

i got 550 moons and feel accomplished enough to put it aside. might go back someday and get the rest but i've got other games to play

i'd go b+ personally. still have not beaten though.

i'd give it a 4 out of 5 which sounds a lot nicer than "B-/C+" but i guess is the same thing

Yup, sounds about right, B+/A-, I'd say.
I'm happy with it - though of course, just about any game would seem a bit underwhelming after Breath of the Wild - not every game HAS to be a thrilling 100-hour journey. I'm even fine with the platforming being fairly easy, after suffering through most of Sunshine back in the day. Some of the post-game challenges are pushing me, though, and I'll likely give up before completing most of the second tier Freerunning courses, for example.

its more linear than i expected but i am loving this game. right now im at New Donk City and have been consistently surprised by so many things. it feels like a culmination of Mario games and control schemes, all perfected in glorious HD, with a post-Mario Maker sense of the playful. the transforming stuff is cool and imo rare enough to where it never feels like a gimmick.

currently in New Donk City and really loving it. i got to the 2D part and was saying "Wow" outloud to myself. always hoped they would do something cool w that area and hell yes this was awesome. i love the nostalgic 2D bits in the game. the way it's kind of like Mario Maker is etched into the sides of buildings and ruins. the past world rendered as hieroglyphics in the new landscape.

i am getting LOLz also from the Sonic references. there was one level in the forest where you could make Mario run and collect giant rings. then a large curve later shows up, upside-down, in a triumphant and nostalgic sequence, and honestly it's a funny moment that kind of takes the pomposity out of it. that's what this game's all about really. just playing around. and it plays great.

the festival song blew my mind

one of my favorite gaming moments ever

yeah the festival song was the best kind of fan service. loved it!

Festival was great but I loved the final escape more

just found the sphinx. woah. it was... totally not where i thought i would find it! <3

pirate goombas: cutest thing ever?

also the boss fight vs. the octopus, holy crap, this is actually difficult! very fun and challenging tho! for real a highlight.

tbh not that i demand decent boss fights in a Mario game but it is a nice change of pace from the Rabbids earlier. those felt like the piss easy mini bosses in SMB3. just one mechanic over and over. this on the other hand is crazy. i'm flying all up and down the Z axis. i'm narrowly avoiding missiles as i chasing this giant octopus across the beach. and i'm an octopus too! aaah!

just swimming around as a fish is wonderful. i am looking forward to coming back to find all the hidden moons after i win story mode.

I'm getting near to the end (I think), and it's been a pretty fun game, so far. I got so spoiled by Zelda though.

I've been able to beat all the bosses after a few tries, so far, which is just about the right difficulty level. The biggest issue for me is (as with all of the 3D Mario games since Mario 64) is just getting the controls/camera to work. It works about as well as can be expected, but I still find myself falling off the edge of stuff and missing moving platforms, etc. Not sure how they could make it any better, but it's still frustrating.

we should poll all the different Marios that you can be. there is some cool stuff you can turn into in here.

mario 64 mario forever

M64 is great. i prefer SMO bc there are none of the control or camera issues in the earlier game. anything with the snow/ice levels, anything with sledding, or flying, was a nightmare. i can see how someone could grow up with the game would not mind those bits or have figured it out long ago but for me it may still be a while before i beat it. of course it was one of the first 3d games ever so even with the issues it had it was a staggering pioneering achievement.

SMO is great because it is like the Imax version of M64. it uses a very similar control scheme and exploratory level design. the camera angles also feel very M64 inspired - even with a modern camera there is a primacy of cinematic vistas. SMO sort of acts as a sort of compendium of all the previous games: it has mechanics and artwork from Super Mario Bros., it has the vegetable carrying/throwing of Super Mario Bros. 2, it has the water spraying and ooze cleaning of Super Mario Sunshine, it has the Bee Life and experimental gravity mini-games of the Super Mario Galaxy titles.

ok at this Ruined Kingdom! damn good level design! wow! wtf we in Bloodborne now?

the last world had simple fire puzzles you lighting pyres with your flame in order to open locked doors and passageways just like Zelda.

nvmd it's like Shadow of the Colossus

M64 does have the edge in music, that is for sure. the castle interior theme is so beautiful. the first stage overworld theme gets in my head all the damn time. it's still synthesized jazz. the new games, SMO included, are a little more traditionally orchestrated. i mean, Koji Kondo is a frickin' genius, no way anything can come close to that og stuff.

the song in Super Mario Odyssey that plays when you are in the hat shop reminds me of "Doo Wah Diddy" by Manfred Mann. that's pretty cool.

i think SMO has the best soundtrack of any of the mario games

it's pretty sweeping!

the Galaxy soundtrack was incredible. I didn't think they'd be able to top it

wtf we in Bloodborne now?

yeah i did think there was some deliberate soulsborne vibes in that area, further strengthening my commitment to double-dip on any and all of those games if they ever make it to the switch

anyway, if you wanna feel something...this is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80eFXnb9Uro

i think SMO has the best soundtrack of any of the mario games

no game will ever have a better soundtrack than Super Mario Bros.

tbf it's probably the most iconic and well-known bit of popular music written in the past century so i was assuming we were excluding it from consideration

speaking of mario noises:

Super Mario World repurposed its orchestra hit instrument to form... a familiar sound effect!! pic.twitter.com/aZHK4J2Vyh

— Lynn 🧡 (@chordbug) November 8, 2017

thats pretty rad. yeah there is actually a musical element to all the old sound effects. like picking up a coin from SMB NES is just B to E played really fast. the going down a pipe theme is three notes repeating in quick succession. the 33 1/3 book goes deep into all that stuff, there is a reason for the modes and keys used for every sound in Mario.

xp it also exists in SMO so you can have the best of both worlds

awesome

ha, didn't know that Yoshi bit, sick

how do you spell that bit of onomatopoeia btw?
opting for "hwWEE-CHOOO"

yoshi is definitely sneezing

I'm definitely realizing that with the immersive worlds that this gen is capable of, environments you can lose yourself in, that I much prefer long-arc kind of plotting and world-building. My only complaint with Zelda was the brevity and scarcity of the "dungeons", and the overreliance on bite-sized questing (the shrines)-- the main quest itself was unimpeachable.

Mario on the other hand is a B or a B- for me. At the moment you started being able to buy Power Moons for 100 coins each I felt like the primary currency of the game was so debased that the game just felt like work. Even in the main quest, the inconsequentiality of each achievement started to just feel.. "the opposite of sweeping". I loved the environments and the bosses very much, all the bosses were amazing really, but for me, this fell far short of 64 and Galaxy

It made me excited to playthrough Skyrim again, though.. the thrill of climbing the huge central mountain for the first time still resonates with me

At moment you started being able to buy Power Moons for 100 coins each

but this is for one moon per area, specifically for finding the store. it's not as if you can just buy all the moons you need from that store.

It made me excited to playthrough Skyrim again

lol my least favorite memory of Skyrim was climbing mountains, repeatedly jumping against random incline polygons to gain altitude, the screen filling with a big blurry rock texture. leave it to BOTW to take this awkward experience and turn it into an awesome core game mechanic.

you can buy more than 1 from the stores, they count towards unlocking new worlds but not towards your checklist for getting all the moons in the game

idk why the option is even there though, there's way more easy-to-find moons than you need to complete the game. i can't imagine someone getting stuck.

oh wow thats crazy. yeah ill pass cos exploring is so much fun.

you need a lot of moons for the post-game unlocks. i'm not gonna buy more than 1 per world (to get it crossed off the list) but i can see some people just wanting to unlock the later costumes and such

I've never used the stores for anything. Seemed lame.

omg i just got to the moon. this game. this is my favorite 3d Mario game.

Buying outfits was 10% of the fun

"this Bowser fight is really fun..."

* 5 mins later *

"hooooolyy shiiiiiiiit"

"

i loved the whole ruined kingdom -> bowser's castle -> moon -> ending sequence a lot

yeah i am in end game and have been saying "ooooh myyyy gooood" aloud every 2 minutes

more surprises in store

moon physics is soooo much fun

the bowser fight is really annoyingly designed w/ its gotcha pattern-changes; the ending sequence was agreeable but a missed opportunity

on the main quest i give it a solid C, but the post-game playground hang-out value might bring that up a bit

the inset of cappy's creepy, tired eyes next to the dialogue when he talks to you in game reminds me of the satan frames edited into the exorcist

just reading about the rock paper scissors thing, so many cool things hidden in this game!
https://imgur.com/a/1ZT1b

I'm definitely realizing that with the immersive worlds that this gen is capable of, environments you can lose yourself in, that I much prefer long-arc kind of plotting and world-building. My only complaint with Zelda was the brevity and scarcity of the "dungeons", and the overreliance on bite-sized questing (the shrines)-- the main quest itself was unimpeachable.

Mario on the other hand is a B or a B- for me. At the moment you started being able to buy Power Moons for 100 coins each I felt like the primary currency of the game was so debased that the game just felt like work. Even in the main quest, the inconsequentiality of each achievement started to just feel.. "the opposite of sweeping". I loved the environments and the bosses very much, all the bosses were amazing really, but for me, this fell far short of 64 and Galaxy

― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, November 9, 2017 5:55 PM (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

- Agreed about Zelda
- I believe you can only purchase 1 moon per place
- What do you mean the inconsequentiality of the achievements? Can you elaborate a little?

My only complaint about SMO is that you see this very beautiful and realistic planet when you're flying between places (which is immersive), but only some of them feel like they're part of the planet. The desert and beach one feel like they're a place in the world, but others like New Donk City have an arbitrary barrier via the whole thing being atop a giant tower with a repeating metal tile texture extending down the side. This is a picky design-nerd grievance, but I want to believe the universe they created! Galaxy was able to do it with the framework of mini "planets". Blatant arbitrary barriers with generic backdrops ruin the immersion.

Seamless. That's the word I was looking for in regards to the beach and desert examples.

haaa the rock paper scissors thing is so cute!

yeah that's insane.

im in the end game and now, it just feels like Infinite Mario, and it's wonderful. i can go back to any of these worlds and explore and i always find something. i can end up spending half an hour trying to win a race., or playing around with the face matching puzzle, or looking for rare things to turn into, flying around, etc.

it's a nice approach to the Open World Game. usually im sick of doing the side stuff halfway through your Far Crys or AssCreeds. they really got the pacing right with SMO. when you get to the ending you just want more more more. i think the smaller size Evan mentions is a big help. i'm not overwhelmed by the map, there aren't a million icons everywhere that makes it feel like a To-Do List. instead i WANT to find those little tucked away things.

Is it like the Lego games that way?

The AV Club actually had a decent piece about what Adam’s talking about

https://www.avclub.com/open-world-games-are-broken-and-nintendo-spent-2017-tr-1820333889

my housemate has been playing horizon: zero dawn and i like to watch while asking 'can you climb that mountain? no? that one? how about that one? maybe you can climb that one?'

Haha owned

xp yeah i wouldn't say witcher 3 transcends the 'map game' genre trappings, it's just the best game that's been made within them and thus should be where the bar is set currently. zelda is very different from all those games and mario isn't even in the genre at all.

yeah idgi why the phrase 'open world game' comes up so much in regards to this game, it is not that

i mean there are a bunch of worlds and once you beat the main mission they open up and you have free reign to go back and do side missions and mini games. functionally it really isn't that different than Vice City or whathaveyou.

there's a big difference in both the design and the experience. the SMO worlds are much more like levels than sandboxes. that av club article was kind of bad overall but it nailed the experience of this game. "dioramas" was a great descriptive term for the design of the worlds.

yeah. im saying compared to the other Mario games ive played. like Super Mario Galaxy is pretty linear and doesn't have any backtracking

i watched a football video where the guy was talking abt "sub optimal game design" yesterday o god

like real football not video game football the one where ppl tackle each other to the ground

I've used "dioramas" to describe the Mario Galaxy and 3d World experience actually, where the levels are miniaturized and it feels like you're peering in on them rather than inhabiting them

if you think about it the true cousin of 3d mario gameplay wise is tony hawk pro skater

okay, just "beat" this; looking forward to the post game
also dark souls mario for the dragon level otm

over 600 moons now and dozens of hours later. i am still finding new things, new shortcuts and hidden areas, new sub-levels, new characters to possess even.

the post game is great, getting some strong Super Mario World vibes from stuff, the Yoshi levels in particular. i was LOLing so much at the level where you are bright green Yoshi running around eating fruit in the gritty post-apocalyptic tank-filled cityscape as pouty teenager 90s metal music plays on the soundtrack.

have to say it again cos i played it again that New Donk City festival sequence is amazing. like that's just a fun level to play on top of all the crazy meta stuff. i like how you have to turn on the power to get to the festival. the NPCs are celebrating Mario for starting it all, this complements the meta celebration of Mario as a kinetic "superstar". Mayor Pauline was a very cool character and puts a nice twist on the whole game-within-a-game.

i loved the art deco style around the whole thing, the film noir suits, the spotlights, the skyscraper. i have always been a fan of Mario as being influenced heavily by the old silent film stars Lloyd/Keaton/Chaplin/etc. and that pre-War (well post-WWI pre-WWII) era of animation as well. cool to see this style embraced somewhat by the game. the 8-bit segments are introduced as ancient hieroglyphs you discover while excavating rock walls, by the time you get to Metro Kingdom are turn on the power they are a jazzpunk hologram, the ultimate Super Mario Bros.-Donkey Kong level mod officially made by Nintendo. i think my favorite part is when you are jumping upside down and there are coins in the windows of the skyscraper and there are spotlights shining across them, it all looks so damn good.

wait - what? there's more than one Yoshi level???

ive come across a few now. you can find him at the Mushroom Kingdom castle but he's also in the post-game side moons as well. the one i describe above is "Yoshi Under Siege" and it's on the Dark Side.

can’t put my finger on what it is but i’m not enjoying this game at all. i loved the hell out of every other 3d mario (including sunshine, excluding 3d world because i’ve never played it) but this one is doing nothing for me.

i’m up to the snowy level with the bouncy race thing and am struggling to stay interested. meanwhile zelda is costing me sleep.

okay reading through the thread it turns out i'm not alone, thank god. sleepingbag's

like overall it's pretty good, but a) they put a bunch of unfun, typical platformer shit in here

is otm, it's very good at all the things it's doing, but it's not a zelda-scale genre reinvention. it's a hell of a lot more like galaxy than people having been saying it is, and the cap thing is the next in a very long line of 3d platformers that entail possessing a thing/wearing a suit and having new mechanics.

Even in the main quest, the inconsequentiality of each achievement started to just feel.. "the opposite of sweeping".

especially when stars/shines were always an explicit reward for an explicit achievement, but too often in odyssey it’s just “well you were walking this way anyway so have a moon”

millenials expect a moon for just walking a way anyway

Used to kick a koopa shell in the street

yeah they def just hand you moons during the main quest but that's probably to keep up pace. by the time you beat the boss of each world you have more or less all the moon needed to move on right away. the post-game moons are where the difficulty and exploration really take off.

btw i think the snow level was my least favorite (visually found it kind of dull) but the adjacent beachfront level was one of the best in the game. levels that i was not very impressed with during my first run i have grown to appreciate as i uncover the mysteries and partake in races and such to find the shortcuts.

yeah the beach level started off as Ugh A Water Level but it grew on me a ton in my second pass through it. and that bossa nova bgm! agree that the snow level is the weakest in this one.

kinda hate giant food land as a concept but it also was ok.

i’m holding off on the beach level for now because i’ve been going back and clearing up some of the earlier levels. happy to keep it as a nice surprise for later tbh.

it’s a very decent game obv, but not in a once-in-a-generation way, e.g. new donk city was promoted to death but it could be brightly coloured textureless cubes for all it matters to the gameplay. it’s like playing quite good mario fanfic.

the festival or whatever is amazing, though

it’s like playing quite good mario fanfic.

this is exactly right

my only real complaint is the lack of Boos. yeah the hat is kind of a polymorphic floating ghost thingy and the Cap Kingdom is Tim Burton-y but this game needs Ghost House DLC.

i’m mega pissed off about the main quest ending but don’t want to spoil it so

that completely tone deaf aspect of the story notwithstanding, i'm now up past 300 moons and am just lurching from kingdom to kingdom looking for x markers on maps. as far as i can tell there's no compelling reason to keep going.

people seem to praise the camera but it seems far worse than sunshine and galaxy. i've died a load of times because the camera's flung off in some stupid direction, or because it keeps jumping back to a default angle that immediately puts me at a disadvantage. also some of the creatures you can capture have weird or terrible controls, mainly the goombas (way too easy to lose a heart to those bastards) and that woodpecker thing.

also, a lot of the level bosses or tricky platform bits send you way too far back when you die, so you're having to traverse the dull bit before the challenge over and over again. after like the third attempt i'm no longer revved up to get back and try again, i'm turned off. this aspect feels really dated.

on that, there's also a pretty heavy whack of nostalgia to all this, which is fine but reminds you that the developers are looking backwards. zelda is 100% forward-looking and it pays off incredibly. odyssey is more a very long greatest hits set in beautiful but weirdly sterile places.

all that said, the good stuff is top notch. the art design, sound design, animations are all incredible, and tossing your hat at an enemy and accidentally finding you can possess it is delightful. it's worth the money, it's just... eh. easily my least favourite 3d mario.

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zelda is 100% forward-looking

hah i felt the opposite. 3D Zelda was always hand holdy this felt like closer to TLOZ than the series has been in decades. it even starts with an old man in a cave

i think u mean ‘reassuringly few’ xp

I've come back to Zelda after Odyssey, and Link's movement feels so sluggish now

and being unable to climb or grab a shrine ledge that is 10 cm taller than Link is even more frustrating

zelda is 100% forward-looking

hah i felt the opposite. 3D Zelda was always hand holdy this felt like closer to TLOZ than the series has been in decades. it even starts with an old man in a cave

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:14 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, they were definitely trying to get back to the mission statement of the original.

"let's make the player rearrange furniture within the belly of four divine beasts. you know, get back to the jamiroquai Link of the original"

...with many enhancements in regards to specifics

I'm with the future-vision - instantly felt like they incorporated so much 2000s design sense into Breath, from Portal, Assassin's Greed, GTA, etc.

very crazy. on the north end of Metro Kingdom there is a despondent city dweller about to jump to his death. if you dress Mario as a clown you can go to him and cheer him up and save his life. for saving his life he will give you a power moon. i thought this was so rad - i don't know if i've ever saved a suicidal npc in a videogame before. you really do everything in this game...

after hitting 500 moons i'm playing it through again. hell of a lot more fun the second time. also, getting a peach amiibo for xmas (instant life-up heart anywhere) has made some of the tricky moons loads easier.

my god, Nintendo has solved depression

im so happy now

now that ive seen a clown

this game clearly didn’t anticipate america’s two defining moments of 2017, scary clowns and harvey weinstein

playing this & galaxy 2 these days and comparing. galaxy 2 is so superior

yeah idk I like this way better than the Galaxy games. some people just don't like the collect-a-thon format as much i guess

2D mario is a better gimmick than small planets with high gravity

anybody have any luck w the talkatoo glitch? i wanted to use it to get the 100 jump ropes but i can't seem to get Mario to hover in the air.

if you throw cappy over talkatoo's head and then talk to him when it is less than a hat's distance from the bird the camera does the weird freeze thing. i believe that if you can roll away from talkatoo before the camera freeze and get him out of frame, you can control when the camera freezes.

supposedly after the camera freezes you can jump up and freeze Mario in mid-air but that part isn't working for me. anybody have any luck with this? i wonder if it's been patched out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzlqVbXU6po

finally pulled off this glitch and got 100 jump ropes via levitation! to pull this off:

1) find a talkatoo and face it w the jump rope course in the background
2) jump and throw cappy (y)
3) talk to him while the cap is in the air and it will freeze. if it is close enough to talkatoo the glitch will register
4) go through the talk dialog and immediately roll away, hitting R to reset the camera. there is a second or so of grace time to do this. (from this point on if talkatoo is comes back into view with the camera, the camera will freeze and Mario's Y position will also freeze. the action of talkatoo coming back into frame is what triggers the freeze.)
6) walk around the jump ropers, careful to keep talkatoo out of frame. get ready to jump into the jump rope from the left. when i pulled this off i started near the fire hydrant.
7) jump into the jump rope and hit ground pound (ZR) and camera center (R) at the same time. im not sure the ground pound is 100% necessary but doing other jumps (ie dive jump) may cause Mario to slide across the X axis after freezing. also be careful of motion controls, you might get the gitch and then accidentally shake the controller during jump rope, causing Mario to jump off in a crazy direction and ruin the trick.
8) Mario is frozen in mid-air, the jump ropers continue to go through the numbers beneath him, and you can use this trick to get both 30 and 100 jump power moons easily.

the funny thing, i got that one legit. it's the dang volleyball one i cant do

yeah idk I like this way better than the Galaxy games. some people just don't like the collect-a-thon format as much i guess

it's the pace of Odyssey that makes it less satisfying for me to play - the moons are more like pellets in a maze - you get one, it doesn't really feel like it matters much, keep right on moving, some of them are just hanging around in the trees. the gameplay itself is a wonder, I'm not saying the game sucks, but the pacing/rhythm of it makes the story & characters feel pretty incidental - like, I can't imagine other Mario games reskinned as Banjo-Kazooie or w/e. this one feels like a mechanic that was big & fluid enough to say "we'll give it to the Mario franchise, it's impressive enough to get the gold ring"

the 2D integration would only fully work with mario or another game that existed long ago in 2D anyway. also can't imagine browsing banjo pants and stuffed jinjos at the shop and caring.

the new donk city festival was also the best part of the game, had to be mario, and felt like the peak of what can be done with the game's underlying design.

a lost memory type story may have helped tie artifacts, moons, and characters together, but they already did it with the other blockbuster open world feeling game

the 2d gimmick was cute the first time but they did pretty much nothing with it

there's maybe two sections where the 2d-to-3d passage is allowed to be interesting, the level design within those segments is not interesting enough on its own, and you end up -- as with most of the other interruptions to the central mechanic -- putting down your fun to pick up hm-maybe-fun-but-like-not-as-much-fun

this is the perfect mario game for anyone who got bored of mario 64 after a half hour and decided to play goat simulator

possessing bullet bill vs finding a power star. it is a mario game.

will grant that food land and first-crash-landing island levels felt a bit mario-kazooie

I think the main thing I enjoy in 3d Mario is verticality, my favorite levels in 64 were the mountain ones and my favorites in this are the city and the wooded kingdom. The Galaxy games have a few vertical levels but not on the scale I want, they tend to be content to shuttle you between lots of miniatures rather than one big thing to climb

Yeah, I really hate neon pukey soup land. I hate being a slidey lava monster so bad.

this game owns. I'm up to about 390 moons now, I think.

I hit 500 over the weekend~

the moons are more like pellets in a maze - you get one, it doesn't really feel like it matters much, keep right on moving, some of them are just hanging around in the trees.

utterly otm. some moons are just 'oh look you found a moon!', others have a big fanfare and the red backdrop, but they're all just the same moon. multi-moons have a bigger fanfare and a longer animation, but they're just three of the same moon. they're not rewards for reaching a goal any more, they're just chucked all over the place.

the designers could have addressed this by perhaps making the simpler "congratulations for walking up this hill you were walking up anyway, here's a moon"-type moons blue coins instead, so the incidental rewards led to suits etc and only the proper achievements led to moons. as it stands the blue coins are just placed like slightly trickier gold coins.

which, by the way, don't seem to have much of a point. they're mostly to let you die heaps (they could have just done away with the 1up counter but whatever) and for buying more moons. it seems weird to have 30 gold coins on a difficult-to-access platform you can see from a distance, because by reaching it you only get the same sort of coin you could amass by warping to another flag with easier coins. it's not an incentive.

it's like they read only the very best donkey kong 64 reviews

the only sort of real incentive is the enjoyment of playing the game. they have moon bundles for the boss fights.

im fine with Power Moons. they unlock costumes. they unlock levels. to find a good number of them you have to play through dozens of new areas. what else do they need to do? coins havent had a point since Super Mario Bros. 3 when they started giving out free stuff at various mini-maps (the one room mushroom houses in SMB3 roughly analogous to the costume rooms or power moons hidden around corners of SMO).

the point of it all seems to be exploring and having fun and enjoying the way the game plays. does it need anything more?

i agree re incentives (e.g. big changes after beating bosses), it just feels like a ‘90s collectathon

well, like I say...the storyline in Galaxy 2 is so incredible that in replay it's still like...I have to open up these planets I can see on the line! I have to achieve my goal! here, all that feels...kind of like a convenience that's there to satisfy the needs of it being a Mario game.

It's still good and fun, but it doesn't hook me like one with a stronger narrative.

hopefully those galaxy games come to some kind of switch VC so i can play them

galaxy 2 is pretty much the pinnacle of 'get from point A to point B' mario i think

can’t think how they’d do wii vc games without wii controllers, unless they make a special compatible wii wand thing

the game controllers are basically wii wand things only better? I think they would translate easily

they don’t have the ir thingies though

e.g. collecting star bits would be weird

i think the accelerometer works as well as the infrared used too tbh... i'd need to see it in action but i bet it could fake it.

there’s a story?

good guy mario has to rescue a superstar from a dinosaur rapist

got to 500... might be nearing the end of my play through now

on my 2nd playthrough. just finished the lesser-loved Luncheon Kingdom. i forgot you play as a lava bubble jumping up against the flow of a giant bird's purple vomit waterfall. <3 this game.

also i do like the combo of Greek ruins with giant neon low-poly fruits and veggies. it's kind of like a weird mutant version of classical decadence.

i actually was quite the fan of lunch kingdom

yeah I thought that was the best non vertical level

testament to how good this game is that the usually sucky worlds (ice and water) absolutely own

weird, I think ice levels are normally good and this one is the weakest! where are the Mario 64 style slides?

i beat the final final world. the last gauntlet is quite tough! you have to make it through a bunch of sections all in one life. still have a handful of moons to get in the Mushroom Kingdom and i'm still missing purple coins/souvenirs/stickers in from half the others.

that "Jump Up, Super Star" song has become my number one earworm of 2018. the song just keeps popping into my head. anyone notice the fast 8-bit Woody The Woodypecker jingle in there? wonder what the deal is with that...

lunch kingdom suuuuucked. I did love the caterpillar land, tho.

i beat the final final world. the last gauntlet is quite tough! you have to make it through a bunch of sections all in one life.

far out you are formidable. that is a shitbag of a level. i got that multimoon through the cheat instead, because fuck returning to goombas every time you die.

i feel like if i have the temerity to ever try the moon challenges again i might just have to pick up a Peach amiibo, cuz i am not hardcore

i got that multimoon through the cheat instead

yeah i read about that on Kotaku. is that based on the same concept as the Talkatoo glitch? im going to have to do it, it sounds kind of fun. you turn into a frog and traverse the abyss?

yep

it’s so easy to pull off it’s sort of ridiculous

love the Battle in Bubblaine boss rematch in the Mushroom Kingdom. they really switch up an already awesome boss fight. now there is no ground and no water beneath you, only clouds, and it is constantly raining, so you have infinite water jetpack. it's pretty cool.

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Nintendo-Super-Mario-Odyssey-Concept-Art-03-680x389.jpg

http://conceptartworld.com/news/super-mario-odyssey-concept-art/
https://nintendoeverything.com/super-mario-odyssey-bonneton-concept-art/

if we don't get a dlc kingdom or 2 for this soon I will take it as proof they are making a second game

Sequel needs playable Peach, she has Tiara so giving her the capture ability is already justified.

i wish someone would add SMB2/peach-style movement to a game character. the low-level hover. it's one of the most satisfying ways to navigate around a videogame, imo

but SMO's triple jump is so sick. apparently it's so versatile you can beat the game without any captures

the Yoshi games are hover platformers though I know it's not quite the same hover

Yoshi seems to have inherited that moveset.

playing Princess on level 4-1 of Super Mario Bros. 2 is forever burned into my brain. sliding across the ice and under buzzards w that hover skill.

i played some of this drunk late last night and it was so wonderful. New Donk City is a huge joy to get around. you can roll your way across town, drive the moped, bounce on taxis/people/window overhangs, turn yourself into electricity and scale buildings that way, triple-jump leap from building to building like Spiderman, etc.

all completely seamless and in a level that uses somewhat holographic or fractal level design. the area as a whole is designed for the "main" game story mission, side areas are plentiful, often including off-shoots of their own. these mini levels are holistically integrated into the environment. it is cool replaying the game after finding all the moons and side areas and realizing how much stuff is accessible right at the start, how all the pipes have a secret 2nd moon in them that usually has a fun acrobatic challenge to it.

it does feel like the natural evolution of the open worlds of say Super Mario Bros. 3, where you had the one-room Toad levels that were just a treasure chest w an item in it or whatever.

btw holy shit this game looks incredible. it really feels like an HD cartoon world. i know technically GTA still trounces it but i don't care, the art design is, as always w Nintendo, wonderful. it really looks like a 3D CGI cartoon at parts. the camera is quite helpful when needed and otherwise generally stays out of the way and lets the avatar loom large in his adventures on the screen. needless to say im beyond excited to see what they do next.

i've been replaying too. as much as this game felt derivative the first time through, it gets more enjoyable every time just being in the levels. i'll probably play this through more times than sm64.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmL2pv7gQA

so cool the robots were a direct reference to Silent Running. also i loved this answer to the realistic humans controversy and the question "Is Mario a human?"

In an interview with Vice, the game's director Kenta Motorkura confirmed that Mario is human saying "Mario is human (...) in the world, there are many different types of people, you know."

downloading

ready to begin odyssey

34 minutes remaining

maybe i'll do a let's play

good luck!!

oh wait, that would require a capture card. i just assumed it was built into the switch (like on PS4)

guess i'll have to play this game the ooooool' fashioned way

i will probably need a fair amount of luck! to this day i have confidence in my old school 2D super mario bros. 1 - SMW skills, but i am generally pretty terrible at 3D action games. it's lame but i have never been able to use an analog stick as precisely as i could with a d-pad

maybe i can help you the way you helped me with zelda <3

Karl plz buy a capture card so you can stream Mario :3

should i play with the detached joy cons, as it's suggesting?

i found a frog to eternally tongue fuck me within 20 seconds of starting

Congrats on beating the game so quick!

Yeah that’s the final boss

You can just leave it there and make a sandwich

should i play with the detached joy cons, as it's suggesting?

it’s easier for a move which you will discover soon

on my way to new donk city, interrupted by a little battle with bowser in cloud kingdom.

you gotta love the mario sense of humor. in the corner of the map it says

Cloud Kingdom
Mystery Above Our Heads

the average temp here is 73F

The Treehouse team at NoA are wizards.

i'm a few hours into this now and it's predictably fun though certainly not a reinvention of mario like what they did with zelda

Same here. Just got to the Underwater Kingdom and whilst it's been fun, I've been slightly underwhelmed after all the stellar reviews it got.

It also seems much easier (so far) than I remember previous Mario games being. None of the boss battles to date have been particularly taxing and most have been done on the first attempt.

hey i just started this too. i was going to wait to start it until i was ready to take a break from zelda, but i was home with my older daughter yesterday and she wanted me to check it out so i did. not very far in at all but i love it

same here as with groovypanda, as someone who made a last-minute snap decision to get mario over zelda i'm kinda mad at myself? ah well i'll get to zelda someday anyway. beat odyssey in not that many hours. i guess i could go back and get all of the moons from the fun levels but even that feels like a chore.

The game gets a bit harder after you “beat the game.”
You also get access to harder refights of the bosses. Mario 64 pretty much nailed how 3D Mario should jump and move on the first try so it makes sense to me that this game, 5 or 6 3D Marios later, feels a lot like that one. The transformations are where the new wrinkles are and some of them are a whole lot of fun.

ah ok, i will have to dip back in.

one thing that bugged me was since i was playing handheld, the game kept prodding me to play nunchuk mode (climb faster! throw further! all with a flick of your wrist!) and i didn't want to and i was mad that i didn't get ot do all of those things

is it still called nunchuk mode if they're not attached? tonfa mode?

I have nothing but bored memories of this game

I feel like an idiot for playing it out instead of quitting and finishing SMG2 or Sunshine instead

with a year's distance i feel comfortable calling this my favorite mario game, though it's not way better than the other 3d ones, just enough better. it could definitely get galaxy 2'ed.

It also seems much easier (so far) than I remember previous Mario games being. None of the boss battles to date have been particularly taxing and most have been done on the first attempt.

what was the last Mario game that could be described as "difficult"? some of Sunshine's stuff was challenging but a lot of that was due to a wonky control scheme. I think Nintendo's philosophy is to make the main stuff easy and forgiving with some side challenges that are way harder

Any tips on how to get the cap jumps and other tricks figured out? It seems like the game would be so much more fun if I could do that stuff.

There was some Luigi stuff in Galaxy 1 that I remember was excruciatingly hard, and Tick Tock Clock from 64 too. Parts of Odyssey got there, Dark Side Of The Moon especially.

what is going on in this thread

this game is very odd and very good

agree w/john linneman @ 6:30 here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_zc7iMPkU

Sunshine was the only Mario I can think of that was really crazy difficult, and mostly in those subspace levels. But I also like easy Mario inherently, never liked the idea of Mario going masocore.

idk I honestly rate this game slightly lower than SMB2 with its endless towers of chains and climbing, I found it excruciatingly tedious

Zelda Switch was my favourite in the series though, I'm a big fan of the system but Mario needs Big And Meaningful Goals not thousands of moons that you trip over

on the first play through this game didn’t do a lot for me, but recently i played through it for the fourth or fifth time (top of 804 moons, ~150 hrs in total). definitely more fun on repeated goes.

the one thing that doesn’t sit well with me (and honestly it’s a stretch, i don’t really care) is how some levels (new donk, cascades) can be so finely constructed and textured, and others (the lost world) look like duplo. it feels like 2–3 separate studios built their own levels and it was all chucked together at the end.

Whenever Mario hits a wall during his rolling move in Super Mario Odyssey, he will assume a saddened expression for three frames at the moment of impact. This expression is not used in any of Mario's other animations. Here it is from various angles. pic.twitter.com/2QbJPfrjPR

— Supper Mario Broth (@MarioBrothBlog) November 7, 2019

OK, just started, and it seems like this game is going to be some good, dumb fun! I love how every PS4 game I've played so far seems designed by 14-year olds, and most Nintendo games seem designed by delirious 7-year olds. " ... and then he has a magic hat! And it talks to him! And has magic powers, and ... and you can turn into a dinosaur! And it has a mustache, too! And ... there's an evil turtle monster, and he wants to marry the princess, and ... "

It is the best

It's ... ok. Feels kinda of weirdly slow, imo, but maybe that's just a matter of getting used to the controls.

this game rules, i think it was the first game i bought with the switch and we still play it fairly regularly (mainly because it's one of the few games the 5-year-old can play without assistance)

I should take a day this weekend and just cruise through the main game again, a very pleasant experience for the most part.

OK, I've played the early bits of this - I think I'm at Lake Kingdom next - and while I can't exactly say why, it's honestly kind of a slog. It feels like the kind of early release game that comes with a new system (right down to the mandatory "here's how you use your joy cons!" loading screen). Doesn't mean I won't play more (I've got nothing better to do) but it'll take some discipline. Tbf, the only Mario I've ever finished is the very first one when it came out, so while I have a nostalgic connection it's far from a nostalgic compulsion.

Doesn't seem lazy, though. There's lots of details and creativity at work, I just find the gameplay itself kind of tedious.

u r mr odd

I keep trying to run and then I realize that I *am* running. (I think?)

i definitely don't think it's a slog, but i do think it's possibly a _bit_ overrated *ducks*
as in, to me it's a 9.2 on the pitchfork scale, not a 9.9. easily best new music though.

it's not a murder simulator so *shrug*

Josh do an experiment

Find an empty spot in a level and just stand there with your silliest available Mario outfit and just do jumps and ground pounds without really moving around, just get Mario hooting and hollering like an idiot and press those buttons and bounce around.

Does that delight you? If not you are a replicant.

one of my life achievements is intuitively fucking the shit out of that first frog with my mario butt within 2 minutes of starting

make that 20 seconds, lol

i found a frog to eternally tongue fuck me within 20 seconds of starting

― Karl Malone, Thursday, August 23, 2018 9:40 PM (one year ago)

OK, so maybe you all have hit on something: I keep seeing them for sale, but I have no interest in buying or changing Mario outfits. I just don't care, you know? I do like Mario's silly mechanics, the hooting and hollering and stomping and other stuff, it's fun and cute (more cute than fun), but that's not really enough to sustain my interest. At least early on it hasn't helped that the bosses have been like "Strawberry Shortcake" level Saturday morning cartoon villains. I mean, these early baddies are basically annoying, extra garish Easter bunnies.

i am going to go ahead and strongly advise: do not ever play animal crossing

haha

go back to that frog and let it teach you the ways of mario

I'd rather fuck a frog than play Animal Crossing.

then get out there and fuck that frog like it's the last one you'll ever "know", in the biblical sense

I'm going through Super Mario 3D World on the Wii U with my 5-year old son, it's a remarkably well-designed game

did we ever figure out if that's getting remastered on the new switch collection thing, or is that going to be a separate standalone remaster?

the reporting made it sound like SM3DWDX would be a standalone remaster

there's no way to transfer that + New Super Mario Bros. U to the Switch is there? hate having 2 consoles hooked up but I'm not paying another $59.99 for this

I'm a big Odyssey detractor, tbh! Lots of great moments, esp the climax of New Donk City stage, but the primary currency of the game (moons) is so grossly inflated that there is no feeling of accomplishment when you stumble over a random rock and A Moon Appears!

It's like if Zelda was focused solely on acquiring Korok seeds

I've been reading a few of "let's rank all the Mario games" articles recently and I'm frankly surprised to see the way people rank them-- any list that doesn't put 3. Super Mario World 2. Super Mario 64 1. Super Mario 3 as their top three is mysterious and bizarre to me

xxpost I *think* the Switch is pretty well locked down, but the system is new enough (and still under warranty enough, I think) that I don't want to mess with it just yet. I amassed a ton of games on an external drive for the Wii, but of course, there is no longer an easy way to hook my Wii to my TV, so so much for all that.

lol Korok seeds. I ended up absolutely loving that game, but off the top of my head I can't remember what the Korok seeds were used for. Buying things? Upgrading things? I know I never really made a point of searching for them unless I had to.

there's no way to transfer that + New Super Mario Bros. U to the Switch is there? hate having 2 consoles hooked up but I'm not paying another $59.99 for this

― frogbs, Friday, April 3, 2020 9:10 AM (seven minutes ago)

there's not, and you will, but you can always hope that Nintendo takes the Switch's success to heart and makes the whole library compatible with the Switch 2 in…2024 or whatever

the primary currency of the game (moons) is so grossly inflated that there is no feeling of accomplishment when you stumble over a random rock and A Moon Appears!

otm

despite me giving it a 9.2 pitchfork scale rating, in the pantheon of mario games it's probably like in the 5th-10th greatest range, for me. which to be clear, is still a great game imo

@Josh: gives you more item slots I think.

i do this every few years, so why not.

imho:

smb3
smw
smw2
smb2
64
smb
odyssey
new super mario bros
galaxy1
galaxy2
lost levels

i haven't played 3D world yet, and i'm still early on in new super mario bros luigi edition, or whatever it's called

i already hate that list, sorry. i should have spent more than 90 seconds on it

KM pls stream a video game soon

not gonna accuse y'all of boomerism but come on the modern games are better than the old ones

xp i would, but i only feel comfortable doing that when no one is home, and lately, my partner is always home :)

but thank you, that's very nice. i haven't really streamed a game for several months now!

I think my main problem with Odyssey is that it rarely gives me the illusion that I'm really good at it.

xp frogbs I admit that I’m a 2d fan, in general, over 3d platforms. For me, the core of Mario perfection is about control, the platonic ideal of the Jump, and in general just feeling like I’m making Mario do the exact thing that I want him to do.

I get more of those good control feelings with 2d Mario. It’s still very good with 3D, but I find myself “missing” a lot more

yes exactly

I know what you mean but I think the recent 2-D games replicate that quite well & the level design is more innovative. plus, y'know, multiplayer

the built-in levels for Super Mario Maker 2 eclipse the originals, imo. would be cool if they just did like, a new set of SMB 3 levels using the new designers

a new set of SMB 3 levels using the new designers

the best parts of new super mario bros feel like that, it's so good!

not gonna accuse y'all of boomerism but come on the modern games are better than the old ones

― frogbs, Friday, April 3, 2020 9:32 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm. SMM2 encapsulates all of these old games in one spot and adds creativity and online fun. it is more phenomenon than game, probably the best 2D mario to ever exist.

I really want the eventual next 2D Mario to take lessons from the masocore platformers through Celeste and move towards short, linked-together levels, with quick deaths and restarts

Might be cool if quick death and restart were a powerup

hit a brick, get a snow cap, celeste rules for 1 minute

the mario way feels better for my maladaptive perfectionism

i like 3d mario if u think about it thats one more d

1. smb3: i watched The Wizard in the theater.
2. smb2: Maybe the most goth of all the mario bros games.
3. smb: "Minus level" is extremely a part of my interior lizard brain.
4. smw: Very good game but verging toward overly polished / obligatory. Creativity is starting to wane.
5. smw2: I'm sure I must have played this as a kid but I barely remember it.
6. Mario Bros the arcade game is pretty fun even now.
7. lost levels: played maybe half of these a kid? Maybe less?
8. 64: barely played it because i stopped playing video games at this point. the 3d looked bad even then but i guess it's charming now.
9. odyssey: watched someone play some of this once. not bad
10. new super mario bros: is this the one where you can knock each other into pits? horrible multiplayer experience
others: haven't played 'em

no mention of Sunshine here, which was pretty flawed and buggy but also had a lot of cool features

lost levels is pretty insane, I remember staying up until 5 AM with a friend to try to beat it. even with the 1-1 koopa shell/255 life trick we struggled to make it past World 6. it's just so touchy. sort of ahead of its time I guess, considering all the popular Mario Maker levels

64 is the best imho surprised u all arent rating

64 is the ferrari of tha series

my ideal mario wld have the speed/movement of 64 w the graphics and creativity of the newer 3d ones

they shd make a sequel

a "super mario 65" if you will

there u go

odessey not having running was the worst part of it for me i kept instinctively trying to find the button lol

my other complaint is that it doesnt have a sledding race, that bounding shit was wack

riding the stone lion taxi was cool cause it was pretty difficult

I def factor in the context when rating games like this, one could argue that SMM2 is superior in level design to SMB3 but I’m sorry there is NO comparison... SMB3 was a marvellously innovative achievement, technologically perfect, and was an adventure that spanned many worlds and required a great deal of work to complete. SMM2? You’re building a castle, it feels like you’re on a factory line.

Same goes for Mario 64– it’s gameplay is so incredible, the level design so innovative, it redefined 3D gaming afaik

1 SMB3
2 Mario 64
3 Super Mario World
4 Galaxy 2
5 Galaxy
6 Yoshi’s Island
7 Odyssey
8 SMB
9 SMB 2
10 SMM2
11 Land
12 Land 2

Those are all the ones I’ve played and I enjoy/loved them all. Never played Sunshine, I hear 3D World is amazing. I played the new 2.5D ones and found the controls consistently sluggish. Surprised that people don’t rate the Galaxies higher, surprised that people don’t stan for Land as they should

a race themed mario wld be sick where like the mario cart crew are doing a season but then they have to have an adventure........idk just spitballin

my ideal mario wld have the speed/movement of 64 w the graphics and creativity of the newer 3d ones

3D world is kinda like that, its got the long jumps, wall kicks, backflips and all that

yeah i havent played that one or galaxy 2 hope they come 2 switch

a thorough remastering of 64 w new levels also shd happen

eh it's not really Nintendo's thing to add new levels to old games, as awesome as that would be

they did it for the ds port

you can't judge SMM2 on the story mode alone. It would be lame to choose Big Ones as your favorite Aerosmith album. But what if the release of Big Ones included all of the tracks, time sliced, allowing you to make your own Even Bigger Ones.

its nuts they haven't done a bunch of DLC for that game yet

I'm interested in playing the Galaxy ones but I tried them on the Wii U and they were too hard for me. Kept running out of lives and having to start worlds over until I gave up.

just

re slog: i felt exactly the same way on the first playthrough, and to some extent the second, but every time i play it i love it more. now i’m somewhere in the teens and i completely lose myself in it. easily the highest replay value of any game i’ve played in years.

re moon currency: utterly otm. it doesn’t feel much like an achievement when you kick a rock MOON, headbutt a seed MOON, walk past a doorway MOON, walk two feet for no reason MOON, blink MOON, and then the difference between 673 moons and 687 moons is essentially negligible.

I may be overrating 64 tbh

idk, I just looked through the list of levels and had some fond memories but also memories of frustration. Which is the hardest Mario, btw? My vote is easily SMW2, the normal game was hard enough, getting 100 on every level to unlock the bonus stages was very difficult, and then, the bonus stages themselves? HA impossible

The hardest levels I can think of on a Mario game (Lost Levels aside) are the airship in SMB3 world 8 (I'd always P-wing it), Tubular in SMW, the Poochie bonus stage in SMW2, and I have a vague memory of something in Galaxy involving Luigi and a huge airship as being insanely difficult, Galaxy was hard, I remember

Sunshine space levels def up there

i dont remember going to space

the old 2d marios are definitely the hardest. 64 probably the hardest 3d one in the normal levels, the postgame challenge levels in the newer ones are harder though

i meant.. subspace

i mightve not finished it

too much cleaning its like when they made that movie abt inventing a mop

it was actually an origin story for the guy that looked at a butterfly and saw a horse

i love that movie da butterfly effect starring ashton kutcher sick shit but it also makes you think

a "super mario 65" if you will

― silby

the internet of course is already on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-to1nxOc8M

it's no "super mario 63"

sunshine = mario 65
galaxy = mario 66
galaxy 2 = mario 67
odyssey = mario 68

we're all on the edge of our seats for the next 3d one

3d land = 67.5
3d world = 67.75

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM_-zvS93LI

I may be overrating 64 tbh

no way, the amount of effort they went into designing sheer joy of moving and inhabiting environments in 64 is still stunning

sunshine = mario 65
galaxy = mario 66
galaxy 2 = mario 67
odyssey = mario 68

we're all on the edge of our seats for the next 3d one

idk I'm lying on my side, makes extended gameplay easier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARz3Fc-3blo

cool video about a SM64 speedrunning glitch that shaves a full minute off your time (skipping the carpet in Rainbow Ride), with the caveat that it's nearly impossible to do. "nearly" being the key word here. the mechanics of this are insane

you can skip to 5:20 if you just wanna see it done

This game is nice but people were talking about it in the same ... sentence ... as Zelda and I think that's misleading. Planning to sue.

i enjoyed it more than zelda but its not particularly comparable in any way other than being a nintendo switch game?

Well it was sort of "these are the two essential games", I interpreted this in a way that was harmful to me and my enjoyment of Odyssey, the end

yeah, i know what you mean. they are often compared to each other in terms of just overall quality/fun, and although i like odyssey a lot it's not on the same level as BotW

100% agreed, but if you own a Switch this should be the second game you buy for sure

there's enough good switch games now that i wouldn't try to call anything an essential. two years ago it would have been more accurate

like animal crossing and smash are gonna be easily more essential than both of those for various sects of people

ok, Smash I'll give because it is like the ur-version of all Smashes combined
Animal Crossing seems pretty incremental compared to older versions, but i haven't looked too deep into the new version

100% agreed, but if you own a Switch this should be the second game you buy for sure

see, i don't know about that! that might be true for some people, but i don't think true for most people

it's-a-Nintendo! it's-a-Mario! come on now

for real, that is a very good and compelling point! haha. i mean, that's why it was the second game i bought! i knew i was going to play it, i just had to go ahead and knock it out.

The RC car operator is the only human Mario can capture in Super Mario Odyssey. Normally, he is only seen from behind during this. However, by precisely positioning Mario beforehand, there are a few frames where is possible to get a closer look at the man's face while captured. pic.twitter.com/Dz6enn1o6U

— Supper Mario Broth (@MarioBrothBlog) May 29, 2020

who's the monster now?

...

I know what you're thinking, lagoon, how did Supper Mario Broth get those pictures of you??

plz respect my privacy

feel like it only dawned on me how big this game is once i started to track down 500 moons

only true nintendo heads can collect all the moons and all the korok seeds

lol the korok seeds are a bridge too far, i did do all the shrines tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dduvx-dEySY

If I've never played any of the games in the 3D collection, it's pretty much something I have to remedy, right?

get em

2D mario is better though

factually incorrect, one less d

none of the 2d marios made post 64 are as good as the 3d marios

i have played all the 3d marios available on the switch and here is my rankings

4. sunshine
3. galaxy
2. 64
1. odyssey

i saw sunshine on top and thought wow, now that's a challop

child of Letterman

the cap jump is so crucial

the cap is the best mario mechanic they should never make another mario with cappy

withOUT cappy

also the seamlessness of the camera control kinda makes the other mario unplayable

i hope they are making odyssey 2

odyssey is kind of funny its very easy "to win" but doesnt really become awesome until you are pretty good at it

the cap is the best mario mechanic they should never make another mario with cappy

i need to go back to odyssey and try to poopsock the remaining moons. i didn't spend enough time with it, the first time around, because it was my first switch game and i was itching to get into breath of the wild.

but i don't think any mario mechanic can top the raccoon suit

I “beat” SMO but I still can’t do any of those fun-looking things like cap jumps.

yeah, i never got very good at that either.

what if they mapped the super cool cap jump mechanic to a button? for example, the A button

guys just go to metro or sand kingdom and run around practicing the cap jump and then combos including the cap jump, its not that hard once you figure it out, at first i was def spazzing and trying to time the button pressing when really you can just hold them down and its chill

its like a different game once you get it down, theres so much stuff you can just cap jump over onto etc, the mechanics of the game are so good and satisfying the better you get at them

jump, throw the cap, z button to start the dive, then hold down jump until you jump off the cap, and thats it

you can also jump after rather than before the throw, and you can do all diff jumps the pound jump and so forth to start it, and once you jump off the cap you can do another dive or whatever, you go a lil further/higher if you throw the cap a second time then dive

maybe the slickest combo is throwing the cap, rolling into it which does this jump that pops you up pretty high, then do a cap jump

I assume Mario yells out something extremely pleasing when you do that last move

i felt great whenever I did those cap jumps, almost always by accident

if youre wearing the metal mario outfit the cap makes a nice clunk when u jump off it

i got all the moons except for four

https://www.mariowiki.com/images/a/a9/CapDive.gif

i'm still taking the fact that they never made a dlc level or two for this game even though its a perfect candidate for it as proof that they're making a 2

this is something i believe in my heart as well

they announced 2 a while back iirc

(in lagoon's heart)

Mario should be beyond the grime of the DLC market. Which of course means, premium Nintendo disc prices

they've done dlc for mario kart man, its all over

waluigi is the grimes of the mass market

shit!

is there a "wapeach" in this universe that can be elon musk?

is there a "wapeach" in this universe that can be elon musk?

A 2003 Dr. Mario manga features a bizarre plot point where Wario takes over Princess Peach's body to pursue his dream of being a pop singer. As Peach, Wario tailors his usual clothes to her proportions and styles her hair to resemble his regular hairstyle. pic.twitter.com/IxsLa1dDC6

— Supper Mario Broth (@MarioBrothBlog) November 14, 2020

time to hide from all the lewd Warette fanart

nintendo couldve just been making more mario odyssey this whole time.............. there is no reason to not just devote oneself exclusively to more odyssey

i got all the moons except for four

― lag∞n, Friday, November 13, 2020 1:43 PM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

two

5.5 year old son is very into this rn

hi 5

not a small trick to make a game that appeals to children and speed runners alike

the colossal heads with sunglasses are a favorite. the gesture controls are surprisingly intuitive for him, whereas i always favored the precision of button presses.

yeah thats interesting i dont like the motion controls either, but i have a lite so its 24/7 handheld mode and when u move the controls youre moving the screen

like some kind of Mario/Pale Man crossover

i got all the moons except for four

― lag∞n, Friday, November 13, 2020 1:43 PM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

two

― lag∞n, Wednesday, December 9, 2020 11:30 AM (thirty-three minutes ago)

whoa

do you know where the last 2 are, or are you scavenging all the levels looking for them?

to my knowledge, no one has ever collected all the moons

https://www.speedrun.com/smo#All_Moons

my first instinct was to demand that you prove how all 90 of those are real, while i stand by my super mario bro lagoon

2020 has destroyed me

feel this should have been called Super Mario Hats! or Super Hats with Mario!

do you know where the last 2 are, or are you scavenging all the levels looking for them?

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:09 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

its 2nd jump rope and and volleyball moons where you have to get 100, i havent put a ton of effort into it but theyre too hard and also dumb idk

my first instinct was to demand that you prove how all 90 of those are real, while i stand by my super mario bro lagoon

2020 has destroyed me

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:15 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thank you friend we must stand by each other in these challenging times

btw if you cant find a moon pay the lil hint toad and if all else fails theres always youtube

lagoon is a fake nongamer

rude

so...a real gamer then?

rude

possibly the gamer-est

whenever my son is excited about getting a moon, i'll remind him that real gamer lag∞n has all but two of the moons.

and if he asks about the two not-gotten moons, i'll explain that, well, these moons are really hard. it will be an important lesson.

teach your children to aim for excellence but not under any circumstances perfection, its the lag00n way

I started playing this as a fun respite from Bloodborne, but after multiple attempts against that Sand Kingdom head boss, the joke's clearly on me.

Is that the stone head guy with the floating hands? Think it's fairly straightforward once you work out what you have to do

It is and yeah, once I figured out the patterns I put him away, but the layers of attacks resulted in some trial and error that was skewed towards the latter and partly what reminded me of Bloodborne (the other part: unlocking shortcuts and checkpoints).

I can’t get past the fire level under the moon. It’s killing me!

where do you die

Everywhere

ah, well

holy crap was that 2d bit under the well in the mushroom kingdom hard. took me a fucking hour!

In Super Mario Odyssey, Topper hides inside his hat after being hit (left). If Snapshot Mode is entered during this animation and the camera is moved inside the hat, we can see that his model is deformed severely while he is hiding (right). pic.twitter.com/myJvpUIeZW

— Supper Mario Broth (@MarioBrothBlog) March 30, 2021

it only just clicked for me that it's "donk" as in "donkey kong"

oh my god

Donk refers to being tongue-fucked by a frog, and that’s what Donkey Kong was named after

frasier looking at new donk city pic.twitter.com/Tuhav3GeL8

— frasier looking at video games (@frasier_looking) September 7, 2021

i found a frog to eternally tongue fuck me within 20 seconds of starting

― Karl Malone, Thursday, August 23, 2018 9:40 PM (three years ago)

three years pass...

In Super Mario Sunshine, if Yoshi falls down while touching a wall and Mario rides on him while still next to the wall, their movement speeds will desync. Mario will bounce very quickly while Yoshi will move very slowly. pic.twitter.com/4JY9V9KgqI

— Supper Mario Broth (@MarioBrothBlog) December 5, 2021