Sheesh, third don't seem to be any closer
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://tinyurl.com/7pxclbg
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
Should've read that 'Little Miss Lucky' book.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
From a BBC tweet
HMRC: We can’t discuss specific cases but tax that has been deducted at source from wages of players & staff must b paid over 2 us
Does this imply they've been taking PAYE and not passing it on?
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
HMRC asked judge 2 let them force admin because of NEW tax debts, not the EBT sum....millions of unpaid tax since CW's arrival #rfc
Where is the money?
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
dying @ this, posted on a gers forum
http://i42.tinypic.com/1t0ap1.jpg
fans on telly saying how shocked they were and how there was no warning wtf
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
HMRC statement: "We can't discuss specific cases for legal reasons but tax that has been deducted at source from the wages of players and support staff such as ground keepers and physios must be paid over to HMRC. Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk."
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
it's just dawned on me that we'll maybe win the league when im on holiday now :| solipsist csc.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
Accies got a points deduction that relegated us for failing to play a game (players went on strike because they repeatedly never got paid). So Rangers better get a similar punishment if they fail to play at the weekend.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
Kinda wish there was an Old Firm game coming up - it'd be mayhem though no doubt
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
£9m in unpaid tax, VAT and NI since the takeover, HMRC petition for administration had nothing to do with the potential £49m big tax case.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
crooked cheating cunts
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Bloody hell, I'm actually a bit shocked by that. There's no excuse for not being able to pay VAT.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
My face hurts, can't do much more smiling. But I'll try.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
There's a world record number of league titles to win, man (xp)
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
cant smile too much as they will be back as nu-rangers. woulda been better if HMRC had put them into administration, then they would be fucked
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
they're the floaters of football, no matter how hard you flush they rise back to the top (league)
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Scotzine reporting that Rangers' appointed administrators Duff and Phelps are owners of a company called Merchant Recovery. Craig Whyte is a director of Merchant Recovery.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Patter Merchant Recovery morelikeaimrite
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
is that legal?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2111&newsCategoryID=36&newsID=9316
Shocking statement from the SFA full of regret about the position Rangers "find themselves" in WTF. They put themselves there. No criticism of financial doping. No criticism of failing to pay tax. No sympathy for creditors (including member clubs!).
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
Simon Kuper had a good piece somewhere recently criticising Bayern Munich as a blot on the game - his idea was that clubs never fail completely, they can always be reconstituted if necessary, so any club living within its means, building sustainable revenues, paying tax, etc. doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
the sfa cant turn round and say what you want onimo. you wouldnt like it if they criticised the running of your club.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know, they've found it quite easy to criticise Hearts over their finances.
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
with lots of clubs budgets for this season and next season being based on tv money, money owed by rangers, relying on games against rangers et al, a few clubs might just go bust themselves and its highly unlikely they could just reinvent themselves and start over as they aren't an 'institution' like rangers
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
And that isn't a reason for the SFA criticise them?
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
well true. but one rule for big clubs etc
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
I guess it's too much to hope that Rangers get reinvented as something better, like half-a-dozen smaller, less hateful clubs?
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
paul murray is now saying he will try to buy rangers from the administrators. So Whyte wont be able to just buy them debt free for buttons and start nu-rangers
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
pfunk I sometimes think you're on crack. The SFA and SPL have been hammering Hearts for their financial problems. They've just had to pay a £500k tax bill while RANGERS OWE THEM £800K. It is the SFA's job to protect its members. All of its members. Not just "Scottish institutions".
The SFA's statement is a disgraces.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
-s
pfunk I sometimes think you're on crack.
that kind of personal abuse is really uncalled for
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
But I've a sneaking suspicion we might get Hodgson For England after all.
you turned traitor you cunt?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, February 8, 2012 10:02 PM (6 days ago)
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
it was a friendly scottish cunt!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
"Apparently, from 1997 to 2011, Rangers spent £160M more than they earned and, in addition, dodged a further £45M tax from the use of EBT."
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
anyway ismael apologies if you were offended by that
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
wait a min £160m? where did you get that quote from?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
Heh no, don't worry xp - it was a bit of surprise, but I took it in the spirit intended (I hope)
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
I really need to remember to add emoticons when I'm joking. sorry bout that.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
pfunk I sometimes think you're on crack ;)
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
;)
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper)
mark donaldson on twitter. u.s. based journo.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
BBC Scotland reported tonight David Murray lost £100M over three consecutive seasons.
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
Or rather Rangers under David Murray, amirite?
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
£160m over that period = £11.4m per season - that doesn't seem that outrageous when the current owner said they're losing £10m a season as recently as last week. They were £80m in debt under David Murray at one point - only reduced to £30m when Murray's company underwrote a £51m share issue.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Mark Donaldson's wrong about the tax though, they didn't dodge £45m in tax. Their total bill for misusing EBTs is likely to be around £45m but much of that is in penalties and interest. The dodged tax due to EBTs is closer to £25m over ten years.
Whyte's £9m unpaid in 9 months puts that in the shade imo.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
£10m a year losses despite cuts is quite astonishing.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
That's not so outlandish xp in a business where you're forever hearing at other clubs about the owner 'putting money into the club' with only the occasional reference to it being a loan, rather than a gift. If all these clubs had to pay it back (I assume Murray took a shedload out before he left?) they wouldn't look so healthy.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Are there any clubs living within their means? I think pretty much all scottish clubs owe debts, even if it's to the owners(as in Accies case) rather than banks or whatever.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link