Thread for continued speculation on l'affaire KEYSY etc, rolling reactionary stupidity/misogyny/prejudice in football

the mail are suggesting mackay and the other cunt arent going to be charged

thought the revive might have been for this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29810908

Cummings may yet appeal over the decision and BBC Sport understands he believes he should receive a more lenient sanction, just as the chairman of the FA's referees committee, David Elleray, did this summer.

Elleray avoided punishment after he told Robert McCarthy, a black non-league referee coaching manager, that he "looked rather tanned" and asked him "have you been down a coal mine?"

that famed harrow badinage

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/01/time-for-rooney-rule-black-managers-at-a-low

Articulate and bright, the Hull defender discourses on everything from Pep Guardiola’s football philosophy to the civil rights movement in the US.

, who is black,

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/19/malky-mackay-appointed-wigan-manager

dave whelan is a suppurating lesion of a person

He is a committed family man with decent values and is a professional who has worked and thrived for over 20 years in the multicultural world of modern football. There is nothing more to say about this subject, and as far as I am concerned we draw a line under it from today.

its gone largely unnoticed that all of the emails about chinks, homos, 'the jew' etc derive from a court ordered search to find documents relating to 'financial irregularities' in several large transfers

He was a shit manager even before he crashed his ability to motivate non-white footballers into the ground. Not really what you want in a Champo relegation dogfight.

How did he not even get charged when Ferdinand, etc, get raked over the coals for minor stuff?

hes still 'under investigation'

said he was a crap manager last time when biddable fools like deems were taking the usual english media line on his firing

GET INVOLVED - will Liverpool win the Premiership 2013/14?

solskjaer was a poor replacement but mackay was doing a crap job and would likely have done the same despite having spent all of the money

Whelan is such a repulsive old bullheaded senile bastard he is probably loving this. Even if the managerial short-list was Steve Kean, Hockaday and some fucking tramp claiming to be Anelka's brother his ability to manage and sign players is fatally compromised and he shouldn't have got the job.

the problem is this lamentable preoccupation with punishment, the line is he has been humiliated so let's leave it at that, which judging by the lack of fuss the media mostly seem to be buying rather than acknowledging that this renders him unsuitable for any role in any industry with a position of trust

"I'm a big man," said the former Scotland international, who arrives with Wigan struggling near the foot of the Championship.

He added: "I would ask people to judge me as they see me.

"I made mistakes but I'm absolutely not racist. I hope going forward the people of Wigan see me as I am."

I personally have had to bear the consequences of stuff I did in the past. I was a betting shop manager with a predilection for gambling and had signed a caution for the theft of a fair few grand after too many degenerate gambling adventures. So a few years later when I was a qualified electrician, this caution for theft would appear on enhanced CRB checks whenever I was working in schools, government buildings etc. I had to carry this shit for over a decade and it caused me what seemed like endless angst for the best part of a decade at various companies. And this worthless piece of shit gets a free pass after a few months and implores supporters of the jumped up re-election recipients to see him as he is x0==

cafc forum, having talked so much sense about ched evans, suffering collective moron outbreak rn, very sad

mackay is a desperate choice & I now wish them relegated ahead of Millwall if not Birmingham

if you accept pro football doesn't really give a fuck about racism, homophobia, misogyny,

and if you accept that no accusations of crooked transfer shenanigans have been proven as yet

this feeb is still a terrible fucken appointment.

almost as if the provocation was the point rather than an unfortunate side effect.

maybe not the point exactly but im sure whelan is delighted in being able to able to fuck off loads of people

he is an awful fucking cunt and i have noted his grotty patrician victorian industrialist mentality here before

one of the reasons i have a residual fondness for mike ashley, apart from his baiting of the nufc fans, is that he gave evidence of the cartel operated by whelan and a few other retailers and since then whelan has nurtured a grudge against him

even criticizing him for wearing a newcastle shirt in the directors box (this from someone who made his fortune selling replica football shirts)

yeah sure the point can't be merely to provoke but then still, the noxiousness coupled with the sheer unnecessariness of the appointment - there must be a dozen out of work mediocrities that kind of got lucky with a shitty club a little bit once - reeks of favours or dodgy money or something

nakh u shd bump the 'pards' thread w/ a short piece on ashley (lol I typed 'shirt' there)

dont worry the pards thread will be kept alive

that threads got a long way to go yet and your good work will not have been in vain

whelan says he has a clause allowing him to fire him if he is found guilty of misconduct by the fa although presumably he has wagered that the fa will either do nothing (as the mail have intimated) or fuck all

Ought Mackay to have rendered himself permanently unemployable through his charmless interchanges with his former head of recruitment Iain Moody, or should the game allow him a route back if he shows contrition and promises to behave better in the future?

The danger here is that many are depicting Mackay as some sort of sex offender, if not a mass murderer. His crime was being busted by a vengeful former employer for a handful of texts that were undeniably much worse than the “friendly banter” the League Managers Association foolishly suggested.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/19/malky-mackay-deserves-fair-hearing-wigan-management-return-dave-whelan

"The new Wigan manager’s brief will simply be to keep the team out of Division One. One way or the other, it may be a while before Mackay finds himself back in the Premier League, so no one can say he is not paying for his mistakes already."

He only ever managed in the EPL for a short period so how is getting a job at the level he has worked at for 90 odd percent of his career "paying for his mistakes"? It is a long time since I accepted The Graun is morally bankrupt, but this fucking Fantastic Voyage style colonic irrigation up Whelan's arse is even distasteful by their current paltry standards.

Richard Keys @richardajkeys

Brave Dave Whelan. I hope it works out for everybody. Malky is a good football man. There's always 2 sides to every story.

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Lisa Nandy, a Wigan MP, had written to Whelan last week to urge the club not to appoint Mackay. Whelan said: “I have invited our MP, the lady, to any football match she wishes to come to. If she will, I’ll introduce her to Malky. She’s not a Wigan lass so she doesn’t understand football. But we can try and give her some help.”

"I have taken on an educational programme in terms of diversity that will be ongoing."

Everything about that sentence reeks of intellectual insecurity. He thinks saying "I'm doing a diversity course" is too simple a sentence for the forward-thinking leader-of-men next-gen tactical manager he thinks he is.

Lol! I guess Wigan must have suddenly become a famous football heartland since they got into the Prem.

Only a couple of weeks ago Whelan was trotting out his usual spiel on a 5live report on the Rooney Rule and repeatedly in the interview he referred to "coloured players" unchallenged by the interviewer, afterwards there was a glib “which some listeners may have found offensive” type apology.

Lisa Nandy was born in Manchester.

Local MP Lisa Nandy says she has been assured Malky Mackay's appointment as Wigan manager is 'consistent with the club's values'.

iswsdt

Dave Whelan has been accused of antisemitism after the Wigan Athletic owner told the Guardian he believes that “Jewish people chase money more than everybody else”.

A Chinese community leader, Jenny Wong, also said Whelan was condoning racism by saying it is “nothing” to call a Chinese person a “chink”.

The comments came on the same day that one of Wigan’s shirt sponsors, the kitchen appliances firm Premier Range, announced it was ending its agreement with the club, describing its position as “untenable”.

Whelan was explaining his appointment on Wednesday of Malky Mackay as Wigan’s manager, despite Mackay being currently under investigation by the Football Association for alleged racism and antisemitism over his email and text exchanges while in charge of Cardiff City with the club’s former head of recruitment Iain Moody.

The three texts or emails Mackay had sent, Whelan said, included one describing the Cardiff City owner, Malaysian Vincent Tan, as a “chink”. In another, Mackay referred to the Jewish football agent, Phil Smith, saying: “Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers.”

Whelan said he saw neither as offensive, nor did he consider offensive the other text for which he said Mackay was responsible, which referred to there being “enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go round”, when Mackay signed the South Korean international Kim Bo-kyung.

Whelan said he does not believe the reference to Smith is offensive, first explaining that he believed Mackay was only reflecting that Jewish people “love money” like everybody does: “The Jews don’t like losing money. Nobody likes losing money,” Whelan told the Guardian.

Asked whether he did not think what Mackay said was offensive, because the claim that Jews “love money” has been used as a negative stereotype, Whelan said: “Do you think Jewish people chase money a little bit more than we do? I think they are very shrewd people.” Asked if he himself believed that, Whelan, the multimillionaire former owner of JJB Sports, said yes: “I think Jewish people do chase money more than everybody else. I don’t think that’s offensive at all.”

Whelan said he did not think there was “a lot wrong” with anything Mackay said, and there was no malice or disrespect in the statement about Smith. He added: “It’s telling the truth. Jewish people love money, English people love money; we all love money.”

I feel like there's either some shit-hot Wigan PR manager whose last day in the office was a week ago or there's a completely inept one punching his desk right now.

“If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said. “There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.”

this is hilarious

Would be interested to know what Wigan under-21 captain 周定洋 made of that.

FA to rule on Whelan by next week

The FA will decide by Monday if the Wigan owner's recent comments amount to discriminatory language

I can see how it would take a fortnight to decide of course it fucking is.

His grandson, David Sharpe, was added to the club’s board on Christmas Eve and the common suspicion is that he will take over as chairman in the next year or so. Yet Sharpe is in his early 20s and it isn’t easy to understand what qualifies him for the position other than having a wealthy granddad. Sharpe was initially in charge of the family restaurant, Sharpy’s, outside Wigan’s ground before it was boarded up last year because of a lack of customers, costing Whelan £1.3m in the process. For Wigan it could be a long way back.

http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/pilfering-fish-bar-manager-jailed-1-6421973

“But when homophobic abuse is targeted at one individual, it is horrendous... Calling him gay when he wasn’t. My stomach is really churning now.”

He said he has since apologised to Elliot.

Carlisle also admitted that a female physio with the team was routinely “objectified” while he played with the side.

@richardajkeys
I know you like accuracy @ColinMurray. Been doing some checking. 3500 workers on 5 stadia sites 6 million hrs worked - no fatalities.
2:57 PM - 29 May 2015

@andymild1979
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray hmmmm, really? how did you find these facts out?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@andymild1979 Its called accurate research. Making a lot of noise doesn't win you an argument.

@KewRose
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray I lived in the middle east like you and deep down you surely know the truth. Statistics from where??

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@KewRose Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

@RobGilbz
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray Glad you've cleared that up. Can you let us know about Gay rights now?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@RobGilbz What do you need to know? I have never witnessed a problem. There's plenty of diversity here. I know. I live here.

Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

'Unbelievable. Whatever happened to loyalty and 'in it together'?' Keys says. 'Pascoe is his mate for goodness sake. It's cheap. Shabby. Rodgers should've walked and gone with some dignity.

'When Sky sacked my buddy Andy Gray there was only one thing on my mind 'I'm out too'. I slipped out of the back garden, across fields and into a nearby nursery, run by a very good friend of mine. I still chuckle Jamie.....! I was in a car and off to Heathrow leaving the clowns besieging my house well behind.'

charlton athletic forum women's world cup thread has kept the spirit alive

delightful acquittal celebration and subsequent hope-the-slag-rots across every football forum in the land today

aye, it's really depressing when you're happy that the forum you're looking at is split roughly 50/50 and this feels like the best you can hope for

glad he's not as well known across ILX as Michael Gira