Throwing Bad Money After Good - the EFL and Beyond 2017-18

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I guess it's about time, since we kick off in about three hours. There may or may not be some speculation as to who is ready.

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 August 2017 15:10 (one year ago) Permalink

league 2 is gonna rock this year

nxd, Friday, 4 August 2017 15:12 (one year ago) Permalink

I am confident that Slutsky will get the best out of Hull's fourteen remaining players.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 4 August 2017 15:21 (one year ago) Permalink

tonight's opening TV game looks like one for the, um, purists

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 August 2017 15:26 (one year ago) Permalink

tbf hull have signed some defender from sparta prague

nxd, Friday, 4 August 2017 15:26 (one year ago) Permalink

feel bad for Hull, they're fucked until somebody can force the Allams to sell up

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 August 2017 15:28 (one year ago) Permalink

got to spend at least 4 hours every day next week in the car with a fervent Derby County fan who i don't like much, going to force myself through tonight's game just so we've got something to talk about. that's the plan, anyway

trying to gee myself up atm by reading overconfident Sunderland fan predictions

Windsor Davies, Friday, 4 August 2017 15:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Wow! a real game tonight - I'm buzzing!

that smug Forest Green twat makes me want to smoke CFC's and burn tyres.

calzino, Friday, 4 August 2017 15:35 (one year ago) Permalink

didn't realise Derby had been strip-mining Hull this summer. Thudd and Curtis Davies for c. £2 mill ain't bad business

Windsor Davies, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:47 (one year ago) Permalink

fuckin hell man is it any wonder the stadium's only a quarter full. Sunderland have 90% of the possession in the opening 10 mins and then don't make even a token gesture of resistance as Derby walk through them to take the lead. this could be good fun :)

Windsor Davies, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:01 (one year ago) Permalink

There's something pleasingly old-school about Lee Cattermole the Sunderland captain.

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:13 (one year ago) Permalink

ffs Gary Rowett i want to like you please stop managing terrible clubs

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:14 (one year ago) Permalink

Millwall are currently all over lol Forest by the sound of it

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:15 (one year ago) Permalink

You can see Grayson has reduced the pitch size this season by the old lines.

Fuck me I'd forgotten they'd signed Vaughan, his knees won't last until September!

calzino, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:19 (one year ago) Permalink

xp to calz

yeah it's a pretty ragtag bunch of desperadoes and chancers they've brought in from League One / on loan this season

been quite consistently embarrassed by the way Villa have comported themselves since we got relegated, ito just throwing money around in a desperate attempt to buy ourselves back up to the Premier League, but hadn't realised until tonight quite how grateful i am for the largesse of Dr Xia - yea, even for John fucking Terry and his presumably extortionate wages.

Windsor Davies, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:28 (one year ago) Permalink

oh shit penno, that seems a bit harsh

Windsor Davies, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Brucey really aggravates me more often than not but i wd expect him to bring a steady, efficient promotion challenge this season unless key members of your squad go down with arthritis

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:51 (one year ago) Permalink

idk our 15 game losing streak (or whatever the fuck it was) occurred after we'd already spent the better part of £40 million buying up all of the supposed best Championship players. obviously the hope is that everyone settles down nicely now and we move forwards from here but all these cunts going on like signing John Terry automatically makes us favourites for automatic promotion UGHH FUCK OFF have these cunts still not realised that Villa Park is built on an ancient Indian burial ground

Windsor Davies, Friday, 4 August 2017 20:00 (one year ago) Permalink

keeping sentiment off my betting slip, I think the 2/1 on Brum is a good price today. I would love them to fail, but don't think they will and I think Ipswich will finish rock bottom this season.

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:05 (one year ago) Permalink

"Learning from their mistakes or chasing their losses? After a chastening first year owning a football club, Fosun, the Chinese custodians of Wolves, took time to diagnose the reasons that the club lurched around the lower mid-table for most of the season and decided not to change the medicine but to double the dose.

"This is bold. Even allowing for football’s spiralling [sic] inflation, the outlay for the young Portuguese midfielder Ruben Neves was breathtaking by Championship standards. He is part of another group of fresh faces, several with Portuguese backgrounds.

"Does Nuno Espirito Santo have the experience to handle the Championship? Will he know what you need to know? Who knows? Wolves new owners could be very wrong or very right. What they have got right, at least, is to get the fans talking and mostly excited - excited enough to sell the ground out for the opening day, which is no small achievement.

"It will be a fascinating story either way. Wolves appear determined to prove most of the accepted conventions of how to tackle the Championship need not apply. If they succeed - and they certainly could - it will be on their terms.

"The owners are taking a huge gamble. If you bet on Wolves, you're taking a huge gamble too."

BBC teeing up Wolves nicely in a saying-a-lot-but-not-saying-anything-really kind of way.

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Stoked for the madness. Sorely miss the heroic Wolves drawings though :(

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:08 (one year ago) Permalink

it's Jody Craddock paintings this season tho!

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:22 (one year ago) Permalink

i agree with Calz about Ipswich tho you'd think Mick would have enough dogged organization to perhaps tough it out when some of the flakier sides struggle. they look like a club in absolute malaise tho.

two thirds of the reason i want us to have a good season is so i can laugh in the faces of the "you don't get promoted playing football" section of our own fans

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I really wish I was going to a game today, getting strong nostalgia pangs for supping cans on a train on away sorties back in the day.

Will be interested to see if Stuart Webber's Norwich project are going to do well. Even though he did some very good work for us, I have a suspicion he is a bit of an overrated travelling bullshit merchant, who got lucky. And also just because Norwich have a better infrastructure than ours was, it doesn't necessarily mean he can go one better. Away at Fulham for them is probably about as tough an opening fixture you could ask for in the current champo.

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:37 (one year ago) Permalink

it's Jody Craddock paintings this season tho!

― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, August 5, 2017 11:22 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha!

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:38 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to seeing how Martin Braithwaite gets on at Boro. He has never really scored a lot of goals but can be completely outstanding at times. He was phenomenal when Toulouse beat Monaco last year.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:58 (one year ago) Permalink

They definitely got more vfm there than £15m worth of injury plagued Assombalonga.

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:13 (one year ago) Permalink

A bruising start for Orient in the National League, 2 nil down to Sutton after 30 odd mins, ouch! I can't find the old Videprinter live score thing on the beeb website. I see what LBI was saying on the other thread now.

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Actually the new BBC Football Scores & Fixtures page isn't bad actually. At least you can scroll down the whole league as it happens and see which of your accs are completely doomed. I used to use the live videprinter page and then a latest scores tab for each division, which was pretty a ridiculous way of doing it really.

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah the live scores page looks like it's improved quite a bit.

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 5 August 2017 13:32 (one year ago) Permalink

FFS Novak! That'll be my acc with Charlton going down already!

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:10 (one year ago) Permalink

first red card of the season btw

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:11 (one year ago) Permalink

omg! Leon Clarke is a Blade now, that be 17 clubs he's turned out for now.

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Been a fun first 20 mins between Fulham and Norwich. Marley Watkins could have had a couple already

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:23 (one year ago) Permalink

I totally misheard that on 5 live and thought Norwich had signed Ollie Watkins

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Bonatini Lohner Maia has to be contender for best name in the league

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Nathaniel Percival Knight is another cool name.

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:56 (one year ago) Permalink

i dunno this Brazilian lad he's not all that if he was any good he wouldn't of been playing in Saudi we shd spunk 20 mill on Andre Gray

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Wycombe vs Lincoln City shouldn't be a football match, it should be a feight to the death between Adebayo Akinfenwa + Matt Rhead!

calzino, Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:06 (one year ago) Permalink

omg didn't realise Akinfenwa was still playing

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Blues losing :) very happy with how these games are going right now.

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:26 (one year ago) Permalink

wtf!

calzino, Friday, 1 June 2018 19:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Jumping on the Bielsa bandwagon fifteen years late it seems

imago, Friday, 1 June 2018 19:48 (three months ago) Permalink

has Tisdale gone to MK Dons?

calzino, Friday, 1 June 2018 19:56 (three months ago) Permalink

Which reminds me, we were one Coventry goal away from GARETH AINSWORTH topping this list https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Premier_League_and_English_Football_League_managers

could still happen if Morecambe fancy a change

imago, Friday, 1 June 2018 20:17 (three months ago) Permalink

Exeter acted quickly to get Matthew Taylor in, just as Tim wasn't feeling very Eazy Devin about the JT rumours bubbling about earlier.

calzino, Friday, 1 June 2018 20:36 (three months ago) Permalink

Tizzer did not (apparently) give any response to the contract offer which had been on the road able fit some time. So the offer was withdrawn.

I don’t think he’s been announced as franchise manager; he used to say he wouldn’t take another job in football management. I expect him to join them in the next few days.

Tim, Saturday, 2 June 2018 04:07 (three months ago) Permalink

he might not be able to cope (well I hope so!) with a mo money mo problems job where if they aren't in an auto spot there will be pressure. I can't respect anyone who is willing to throw their lot in with them riff raff, probably harsh but it's the way I feel.

calzino, Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:22 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah after Wembley he was implying that the great work done by him and his team was propping up the trust-owned football club model. I’m very keen to see him proved wrong (by our doing well obv). I’m also very keen to see franchise do badly forever.

Tim, Saturday, 2 June 2018 13:40 (three months ago) Permalink

a shitty four years just got much, much shittier

imago, Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:08 (three months ago) Permalink

sorry about Bowyer

VAR VAR Rasputin (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:31 (three months ago) Permalink

lol, Bowyer is literally the least of our problems right now

imago, Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:35 (three months ago) Permalink

but in short

- the takeover might not now be happening

and above all

- two of our players on trial for rape

imago, Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:36 (three months ago) Permalink

i know, i was being mean

VAR VAR Rasputin (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:36 (three months ago) Permalink

kick a man while he's down eh :P

imago, Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:39 (three months ago) Permalink

didn't know about the takeover tbf, saw the rape charges tho :(

VAR VAR Rasputin (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:40 (three months ago) Permalink

one man to rape, one man to hold the girl down and a third to film it. cannot even begin to imagine what is in these people's heads

imago, Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:48 (three months ago) Permalink

Didn't see this coming: Bielsa to Leeds

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 June 2018 08:35 (three months ago) Permalink

shaping up well for The Damned United 2

ogmor, Friday, 15 June 2018 09:09 (three months ago) Permalink

the HTAFC supporting writer of dark occult histories, might just pass this chapter of the dirty White Shite's rich history onto the Green Street 6 team!

calzino, Saturday, 16 June 2018 08:51 (three months ago) Permalink

Micheal Collins, new Bradford City manager was a garbage player and not much of a thorn in the side of the British government either - but he did once score an injury time winner against Leeds Utd, so much goodwill to him.

calzino, Monday, 18 June 2018 10:21 (three months ago) Permalink

Marcelo Bielsa: New Leeds United boss has 'watched all 51 games' from last season. <This seemed mightily impressive until he also confessed that in the same month he happily binge-watched all the Marvel TV series as well.

calzino, Monday, 25 June 2018 19:40 (three months ago) Permalink

It's still mightily impressive if it included Inhumans

groovypanda, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 06:59 (three months ago) Permalink

Perfect prep for managing Leeds

Swedes and Löw (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 08:04 (three months ago) Permalink

One of the Champo summer transfer rumours doing the rounds is VLP to Leeds. VLP recently said he was using Town as a stepping stone to a bigger club - he might need some of that Revie Ecstasy to convince him of how fucking truly massive the "Champions Of Europe" are though!

calzino, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 08:59 (three months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Much handwringing as we fail to hang on to John Mills over an alleged £30 a week increase and he moves to Bath. Much less handwringing this week as the FA charge him with 166 gambling offences and the club reveal Mills' leaked increase was huge misinformation.

Friendlies going well, routine wins with a few goals.

Much less welcome was club captain and first choice RB Jimmy Oates turning out for Exeter as A. Trialist. He was there on loan a few years ago and the new Exeter manager knows him from Harptbury College. I'm on the fence because there were times last year when he looked like he'd reached his level but if it all comes off then I'm pleased for him.

I should be going Saturday and Tuesday. Just don't tell Mrs aldo because I only get back in the country Friday and leave again the following Saturday.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 01:43 (two months ago) Permalink

I don’t recall Oates’s loan, Aldo - where does he play / what kind of player is he?

Tim, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 05:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I am a liar, I was confusing him with someone else

Anyway he played 70 minutes last night apparently. Good signing imo, an overlapping RB with a decent cross on him (if a particularly weak throw). I always thought he had higher level football in him even if this season was a challenge at times.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 06:07 (two months ago) Permalink

Thanks - Captain Oates well known for heroic sorties outside.

Tim, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 08:21 (two months ago) Permalink

Our forum is full of divided opinions - as you'd expect - but I'd never grudge someone the chance to go pro when we're only offering him pay-per-play.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 09:05 (two months ago) Permalink

The first season was kind of hilarious because we got to three games to go and he was the only squad player who hadn't scored so was being teed up for shots and given dead balls that he just wasn't ready for. Missed a penalty even in the last home game.

Finally scored his first about 5 games into the second season together during a home game. We had a pitch invasion to celebrate. The fine was worth it.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 09:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Player of the year unanimously between players management and both fan groups in the second year and made library captain as a result.

Mixed third season if I'm absolutely honest but missed a couple of weeks with a minor injury and we were glad to have him back.

A solid 7/10, play a system where he can overlap successfully - an outside right that always cuts in for example - and you'll get an 8+ out of him.

Might have been our best player across the past 3 years.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 09:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Sounds interesting - we had a fellow called Kane Wilson in from West Brom last year, who was very good and very quick; he's gone back to the Baggy mothership and rumour has it he'll be in contention for their first team squad. He wasn't starting every game, though, because we have a right back called Pierce Sweeney who's much more in the mould of yr trad lower-league full back - gets up and down, hard as nails, liable to drift from time to time; I like him.

Strange times for us, having had the same manager for more than a decade, it's so weird to see the squad being re-shaped. So far franchise have taken our manager, assistant manager, first-team coach, club captain and most experienced midfielder, plus a centre forward we'd released. I hope they all fail utterly, not because they left us but because franchise.

Weirdly, I'm quite pleased. It was definitely time for a change and the new manager seems to be saying (and doing) roughly the right things. Liable to be a bumpy season though.

Tim, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 09:31 (two months ago) Permalink

As I said, manager knows him from Harptbury College so not surprising. Trialling Sid Grant from Westfields and looking to secure Mustafa Bundu from Aarhus are the other logical steps.

The West Brom thing is interesting because we had Dara O'Shea on loan last year and they haven't been answering calls on him either.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 09:44 (two months ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Diu7__BW0AELJ-4.jpg

calzino, Sunday, 22 July 2018 20:22 (two months ago) Permalink

In light of Jimmy Oates signing for Exeter I propose "Finally big enough to be considered a feeder team" for this year's title.

I am on the other side of the world so have only seen two psfs but I fear for next year.

It must be fitting for some players (yes you Johnny Mills) seeing someone else from the side go to a football league team when you went to Bath.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 27 July 2018 08:14 (one month ago) Permalink

*gutting*

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 27 July 2018 08:14 (one month ago) Permalink

That would suit me - we feel a bit like a feeder team right now also, we've sold five or six players on to higher leagues over the last two years, which is utterly unheard-of for us (this also means we're more or less financially stable for the first time in my lifetime, which is nice). And I wouldn't be surprised to see someone coming in for our main striker and our keeper in the next fortnight either.

I am looking forward to the football starting again, though I suspect it's going to be a bumpy season. More progress expected for the Bulls this year?

Tim, Friday, 27 July 2018 08:29 (one month ago) Permalink

I suspect no progress at all. As I said, I have only got to two psfs (although listened to the rest over the internet) and we sound weak at CB (although apparently we are announcing a Bristol City loanee over the weekend) and definitely up front (where an aging lump who has passed the age/talent threshold in the close season) is now out for 10 weeks and was our main goal threat. Losing to FGR, divisions above or not, does not make me confident.

I feel like we're less prepared than season 1, when we started the first game of the season with only 14 players, 5 of which had played together before.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 27 July 2018 08:49 (one month ago) Permalink

FGR aren't bad in L2, FWIW. Last season started as a struggle for them but they got a lot better IIRC.

They bought (!) a couple of decent players from us, including Reuben Reid who can be absolutely brilliant at L2 level. So don't feel too bad about that.

Tim, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:13 (one month ago) Permalink

I quite enjoyed watching them on Goal Rush but there final league position wasn't a fluke.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 27 July 2018 09:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Sure, but I don't think it tells the whole story either - when I saw them they weren't by any means terrible, though they seemed a bit soft in midfield. Anyway I hope the season goes better than you expect!

Tim, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Beginning to feel really weird being away for the start of the season on Saturday but not as weird as listening to a radio commentary on a non-league game at 2am.

Scraping the playoffs, calling it. Team changes in September when it isn't working, Beadle goes in the spring.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 09:38 (one month ago) Permalink

When you said "no progress at all" up there I thought you were feeling doomy about your prospects for the season, rather than reckoning you were play-off bound.

I think we might well get to the play-offs this year again, with the caveat that I don't think changing a manager after twelve years is a recipe for a smooth season. But I think our squad looks pretty good. People have been saying nice things about Oates's showings in PSFs, it'll be interesting to see whether he goes straight into the first team. We could still do with another centre back, I think (though not necessarily in week 1, more for when one of our current ones breaks).

We've the local derby against Carlisle on Saturday, and due to ground redevelopments we'll have even less than the half-a-ground we played with last season: the capacity on our big* standing terrace is reduced as a result of work being done on one of the exits.

*It's simultaneously not very big and the biggest in the football league.

Tim, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 09:47 (one month ago) Permalink

We're on the telly this Saturday, breathing fresh life into Sunderland

imago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 09:49 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm being bold, mainly because I saw that the bottom team making the playoffs last year lost 15 and scraped 63 points together. More a case of reduced expectations for the league rather than thinking we were better.

We have the local derby against Blyth on Saturday so it's clearly the season for it.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:20 (one month ago) Permalink

we've just signed jordy hiwula from huddersfield - wikipedia has informed me (a) his goalscoring record looks p good and (b) his school nickname is 'deckchair'

nxd, Friday, 3 August 2018 10:19 (one month ago) Permalink

in fact i think his goalscoring record looks completely made up

i hope we didn't sign him based on this haha

nxd, Friday, 3 August 2018 10:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh god yeah the walk along the canal on Kraanlei was super-atmos, lots of likely-looking places to eat round there in Patershooi also IIRC.

Tim, Friday, 3 August 2018 10:29 (one month ago) Permalink

EASY, DEVIN: English Football League and beyond, 2018/19

imago, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Ahaha that post was for a different thread on a different board, I wondered where it had gone.

See you on the other thread, thanks for giving me a year-long reminder of my personal autocorrect pain, LJ.

Tim, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:09 (one month ago) Permalink


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