the platonic ideal of the scottish epl manager

aqedhifho3fh i forgot the best one

are you asking us to vote for the Form of the Scottish EPL manager or which of these dudes we like or which we hate or what?

none of you were going to vote for this cunt though right

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fuck me u missed McLeish lol

i think u should vote for the platonic ideal so if that to u means the scariest, or the most affable, or the most likely to cause a touchline stramash on a wet wednesday night in stoke, then so be it

voted Moyes but Ferguson might've been the more honest answer

tho i kinda think of Fergie as more of a Stage Scot now

naturalized cheshirian i think

these dudes are all from the greater glasgow area and environs. find me a good football coach from edinburgh, i dare ye.

i think i have read a few theories for why they are so much more successful than english managers but none of them are very persuasive

Strachan's okay. Revie was...successful. Only other one I cd find was lol Souness so

k Revie doesn't count, misread.

so, Strachan then.

lol

i don't think Strachan is worse than half the guys on this poll, he's just been at some basket case clubs

definitely better than kean and kenny dal.

Souness was way more successful than Strachan, be fair now. Also ruined Liverpool when the best wgs could do was Coventry.

said to my dad last night pretty sure Kenny is just like a really well-paid mascot for Liverpool at this stage

anyway, for me Moyes represents a combination of technical understanding, grit, and dead-pan hilariousness that shd represent the Platonic ideal of the Scottish EPL manager

Fergie is a grotesque parody of those traits now

said to my dad last night pretty sure Kenny is just like a really well-paid mascot for Liverpool at this stage

― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:03 (1 minute ago)

dalglish' influence can be seen pretty clearly, in some of the players bought, in the variety of formations etc used and in the general style of play

so a mascot, but not just a mascot

i voted moyes too

It's Ferguson; he also has age on his side. The ideal should be near-geriatric yet still swinging for a fight at every opportunity.

But I still think George Graham could've taken him.

having watched Scotland on the night Jock Stein died i'd prefer my Platonic ideal to be in better shape than Fergie

shame that this poll had to be made before steve kean gets fired

he's definitely the avant garde end of the scottish manager continuum, some random potatohead w/ a billion uefa badges plucked from obscurity by a swiss football consultancy firm, then sold to clueless venkybros

Didn't like to say xp but possibility of a similar exit has also got to be a strong factor here.

i just had a nightmare vision of Kean taking over at Wolves in the next fortnight

possibly, he could be the new avram grant

yeah, he cd REDACTED whilst he was REDACTED and get two REDACTEDs for the price of one

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PS Dave Mackay is from Edinburgh - that's got to be some kind of platonic ideal right there surely.

Teams managed
1971–1972 	Swindon Town
1972–1973 	Nottingham Forest
1973–1976 	Derby County
1977–1978 	Walsall
1978 	Al-Arabi Kuwait
1983 	Al-Shabab
1987 	Al-Arabi Kuwait
1987–1989 	Doncaster Rovers
1989–1991 	Birmingham City
1991–1993 	Zamalek
1994–1995 	Qatar

ehhh maybe not

i like the symmetry of billy bremner's managerial career tho

1978–1985 	Doncaster Rovers
1985–1988 	Leeds United
1989–1991 	Doncaster Rovers

Mackay achieved something with Derby that i guarantee most of the guys on this list will never ever achieve.

aha! i had totally overlooked that

could see moyes delivering some sort of module at some point tho

Moyes cd do it, Dalglish and Fergie have, that's it really eh?

rate owen coyle pretty highly but he will probably max out at spurs in 2k15

Is it just me, or is Paul Lambert styling himself on Jurgen Klopp?

dalglish handled l'affaire rodwell pretty well today imo

"away and shite" is a better phrase than "get tae fuck".

Is it just me, or is Paul Lambert styling himself on Jurgen Klopp?

― William Bloody Swygart, Saturday, October 1, 2011 9:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Must be a Dortmund thing.

rate owen coyle pretty highly but he will probably max out at spurs in 2k15

Coyle Out

tbfttl he is without his three best attacking players from last season, his only competent forward is suspended and his mouthbreathing chairman totally fucked up the cahill situation

the xi he is fielding today is dreadful, at least half of them are championship level

They'll all be Championship level come May.

not sure about that, but i trust you'll all be reassigning him as irish by then anyway

I just hope he isn't reassigned at the same time as Neil Lennon.

nell lennon

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol Dalglish and Fergie

howd i miss this

next time i do a thread i'll let u know by posting it to ilx

funny man, funny man

thinking about welsh managers, was a little surprised that john toshack has managed about a billion teams but none in the epl

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warnock had a platonically ideal performance in mcleish's opinion

4-1 aggregate scoreline for these cunts today

shame that this poll had to be made before steve kean gets fired

he's definitely the avant garde end of the scottish manager continuum, some random potatohead w/ a billion uefa badges plucked from obscurity by a swiss football consultancy firm, then sold to clueless venkybros

― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:15 (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i just had a nightmare vision of Kean taking over at Wolves in the next fortnight

― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:18 (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which comment was more unprescient i wonder

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have they sacked the cunt yet? probly can't afford to

It may explain the high number of Glaswegians in management positions - no greater test of 'wanting it more' than a 50/50 on blaes. I don't think ash in the wound is actually fatal, but no effing way I was ever finding out.

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:29 PM (8 minutes ago)

significant if belated evidence to be adduced to the discussion upthread

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no shit-awful Morrissey song, no credibility

28 pts in 34 games is dreadful for blackburn's squad.....yakubu, hoilett, pedersen, dunn, nzonzi, the olssons look p good, they had samba for most of that time too

I cannot imagine Steve Kean going all-in for a 50/50 on blaes.

it was among the glaswegians, real greaseball shit

gorbals, shurely

otm

coyle is waste huh

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always argue with my dad about managers having to stay positive in their public pronouncements, nobody who wants a job in the future is gonna say "you know what? i fucked it up, it didn't work out, soz" but i'm starting to agree it's about time a few more dudes volunteered to go for a little walk outside the tent of their own accord

not a great season for the scots all told

they've lost 5-2, but it was away from home

notably, the winners were also the winners in this poll which suggests scottish managers should be as platonically scottish as possible to succeed

Coyle's probably as good a guy as any to rebuild Bolton and take them back up, which will probably happen fairly soon. The rest of the bottom half Scots should all go immediately.

mcleish - fired
coyle - relegated
dalglish - fired
kean - lol

taking up three of the champions league spots tbf.

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just lambert hanging on from the non-dynastics

twitter awash with
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rumours

lambert is the only one of these cunts still in the epl, and mackay and steve clarke have both gone since

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/27118042

darkly romantic 27-year reign of Sir Alex Ferguson

First we cannae play worth a fuck and now we cannae even manage

thesse cunts mostly played pretty terrible fitba and the epl is better for their absence but it's part of a general, belated changing of the guard, the age of gary megson is past

the suggestion that half of them got jobs because of ferguson's advice is interesting, unfalsifiable perhaps but one can imagine some credulous naive owner like randy lerner feeling iffy about appointing alex mcleish until he gets a call from ferguson that makes him sound like the second coming of jock stein

combined with all the ex-ferguson players, profoundly useless cunts like ince, keane, robson etc...... probably half of the managers in the epl during the mid-late 00s came from one of these two categories, pretty amazing

I'm glad this "advice from Ferguson" thing is passing. Not just the anointing/appointing of managers but all that shit about "have you spoken to Sir Alex?" thing that got thrown at any former Fergie employee who got a job and lost a game (apart from Keane, maybe).

im in awe of how much influence he had beyond the confines of his own team

remember when his son was fired and he immediately recalled the players he had leant him on loan in a blatant fit of pique

subsidiary question for the scots, how true is it the truism scottish football was more technical and skilful than english football.....the era of celtic 67 through law, dalglish and so forth, did the production of these players reflect the general picture of how football was played? clearly nobody would associate scottish teams or players now with refinement or flair

That was the propaganda, that the Scottish team were all 5 ft 2 inch ball players and the English a bunch of huffin' 'n' puffin' red-in-the-face heffalumps + cloggers, following the Alf Ramsay approach to winning World Cups

Which was easy to swallow if, you know, Jimmy Johnstone was lining up against Mick Mills. We still fucking lost though.

I think Scottish football was more willing to give team places to wee tanner baw players but even here they were seen as luxuries by the mid 70s.

first time in epl history no scottish managers

rip big men

and billy davies

can we not check idk allardyce under grandfather rule

sad

no more polish popes either

no more irish players in top four

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/cms_images/player/shane-long-ronald-koeman148-1828782_478x359.jpg

long forgotten

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blimey who's this guy

"It was strange being back. After nine months out, for the first time in 40 years I was enjoying my life. Then you are back in the hot seat - the highs and lows - but it's great to be back."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alex-mcleish-tells-egypt-nightmare-8090921

“I really liked living in Cairo. I went because I was fed up sitting on my backside in London doing nothing, except going to games every week or watching some pals training their Premier League teams. And it was a team that had half a chance of winning.

“I got on well and could walk the streets no problem. I had to wear a bunnet and sunglasses so they thought I was a tourist but as soon as I took it off to wipe away the sweat they saw it was the big ginger Scottish coach and they’d be over for their selfies and a chat.

“Martin Jol also managed over there and lived across the road from me. It was good off the field and we got through two rounds to get to the last eight of the Champions League of Africa which isn’t played until July. I’d have loved to have had a go at that."