looks like Pompey are going into administration again
xpits only a formality though. the process has started, it just has to go through legal hoops (lol) n stuff
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
jim white says craig whyte is taking legal advice over what he can say but he might come on SSN.
A statement from Whyte said "its the first step on the road to ending the uncertainty thats surrounded Rangers for 2-3 years"
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
"are you fucked?" "aye, definitely".
That's seemed certain to a lot of us for quite some time.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
Lawwell has said again "celtic dont need rangers and neither do most other scottish clubs". I think it's pretty safe to say that Celtic will not vote to allow a nu rangers in the SPL should that come about.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
Whilst on this subject we had to ask about administration; its possibility and effect. Mr Whyte reiterated his view that it is a last resort and not Plan A or Plan B. However given the uncertainty surrounding the HMRC verdict it is simply not possible to say for certain what strategy will be adopted until the decision is known. We then asked what happens if the worst case scenario arrives and we do go in to administration. Mr Whyte’s response was that it wouldn’t be pleasant and cuts would have to be made but the club would come out of it in a far healthier state. A 10 point deduction is the current penalty for a club going in to administration and not every season as certain rumour mongers were happy to shout out at every opportunity. The phrase “Business as Usual” was used.
^from minutes of a meeting between Whyte and a supporter's group, last week. I wonder what happened to plans A and B over the weekend...
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
no doubt he will blame murray
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone voting them back in if it comes to that can fuck off, btw. Condoning cheating is NAGL.
I'm happy for them to work their way back up. Might do Scottish football some good in the short term, increased gates in the lower divisions, possibility of TV deal of some sort for the lower leagues, spread some money about a bit.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
That hyphen's a mistake, surely?
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
He needs to learn to pronounce his apostrophes as well, aid whoever was transcribing that.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
otmbut chairmen rarely do what the fans want.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
They will if the fans stop going because the league's a fucking bogey.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Administration isn't the worst-case scenario, liquidation is. 10-point penalties are neither here nor there in this tbh.
Question: if the tax bill comes in at even, say, £30m, and gets added to whatever the other liabilities are; how are they ever going to generate enough to achieve any sort of acceptable settlement?
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
He needs to learn to pronounce his apostrophes as well, aid whoever was transcribing that.― ailsa, Monday, February 13, 2012 4:56 PM
― ailsa, Monday, February 13, 2012 4:56 PM
oh come off it, no need to make fun of me for not putting apostrophes in
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
They aren't.
I can't see them trading their way out of this one like Motherwell and Dundee managed.
There's a suspicion that Whyte has put Ibrox and/or Murray Park up as security against the Ticketus loan.
xpost - I thought you'd cut and pasted it from somewhere!
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
but chairmen rarely do what the fans want.
Like the assumption than fans of other clubs all want to see Rangers suffer. You mean like the Killie fans that were celebrating Rangers winning the league last season?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
^ first sentence came out as gobbledygook
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
well some clubs have some fans who do like Rangers some who like Celtic and some who hate both. That's Scotland.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
and clubs like airdrie and killie who have more than others
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
#mystrangeaddiction ruining the full house
Trends: Glasgow trends · change#simplythebust#mystrangeaddiction#jellyandicecreamRangersSPLIbroxJim WhiteHMRCCraig WhyteSSN
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
but i know a few killie fans and they all hate rangers and celtic.
jellyandicecream?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Just got a phone call from a mate of mine, said he passed Ibrox on the way home from work and there was an 'ugly crowd' gathered outside. I said they're usually inside and there's even a song about it.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
Celtic fans have been singing "jelly and ice cream when Rangers die" for weeks. Some have even made things like this
http://thecelticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tricolour-jelly-150x150.jpg
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
btw, tv money is relatively shite, and attendances suffer because of it necessitating travelling to the other end of the country for a noon kickoff, or a 6pm on a Wednesday or whatever.
Fuck the TV money, fuck Rangers, fuck cheating, fuck everyone assuming Celtic will break for the border as soon as Rangers go down. Let's give it a go without them, if it happens. Which it should.
xpost Jelly and icecream when Rangers die (also "having a party", "doing the conga", "passing the parcel" and last weekend's new addition "pissing on Ibrox") Reappropriation of a song about Thatcher.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
Actually........ When you go into administration, you basically have to accept most bids for players. Transfer window is shut , so unless some russians fancy Rangers players then as long as Rangers come out of it by the transfer window , they wont need to sell anyone.
xps
ahh ok
totally with you here.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
When you go into administration, you basically have to accept most bids for players.
So what players do you fancy, Celtic fans?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
McGregor gets on great guns with Thommo
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
hes the only one worth buying tbh.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
I can see a lot of people losing jobs here, even amongst the playing staff. If you're an administrator who's just taken over and you have to pay e.g. £7.5k a week to first team player Daniel Cousin, what do you do with e.g. fringe player with "limited ability" Kirk Broadfoot?
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
btw i was wrong re the precedent being Motherwell. Those cunts got off scot free, it was Gretna who received the automatic 10 point deduction.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
as long as Rangers come out of it by the transfer window , they wont need to sell anyone.
How do you propose they trade themselves back out of administration? (I predict they don't, with a firesale at the end of the season and redundancies galore before that to get shot of the wages from the shit guys xpost, what onimo said)
Wouldn't take any of them, tbh.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
Excuse me, Scotland international Kirk Broadfoot (xp)
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
Rangers players I'd have in Celtic's first XI: McGregor (mibbe, big Fraser's been good lately - even preventing actual goals that have gone in) & Bocanegra.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
pick him for scotland then make fun of him
i don't know how. I can just see the reasoning why they did it now rather than before or later on in the season, it just gives them the maximum amount of time to try to solve it without having a firesale
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
rangers have released a statement. Something about it's not guaranteed they will go into administration (im paraphrasing here) and its business as usual
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
they havent decided yet if they will proceed with it
and he's had a go at murray and the previous board
Seriously? I'm convinced the reason they did it now is to pre-empt the taxman taking what's left and assure Whyte's status as preferred creditor over HMRC.
xpost The guy is an unreliable asset stripper. I'm inclined to not believe a word he says, tbh.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
well yeah that's also possible
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
I think if they had enough money to tide them over or had any feeling they'd win the tax case they'd have hung on until being granted a UEFA licence for next season. As it stands I can't see them being out of administration in time to apply, meaning Motherwell and Hearts could be fighting for a Champions League place. Let's ask them if they want a strong Rangers.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
OK RANGERS YOU'VE MADE IT PERSONAL NOW. DO NOT LET THOSE CUNTS FROM MOTHERWELL INTO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
"its the first step on the road to ending the uncertainty thats surrounded Rangers for the last 2-3 minutes"
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
apparently there's been great gifs posted on Pie And Bovril about all this, but i'm still not reading that shite, so feel free to post any you come across.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
The Club has put forward a CVA proposal to HMRC in which creditors would be paid and provision made for the legacy HMRC case, commonly known as the 'big tax' case.
a few months ago Whyte was saying the rangerstaxcase.com blog was a load of old shite, now he's using their shorthand.
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
The Rangers FC Group, the majority shareholder in the Club, is prepared to provide further funding for the Club on the basis the funding is ring-fenced from the legacy HMRC issue.
"we want to buy more players without paying tax"
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
hyphen is the strongest zing i've seen in some time, kudos
― beware of greeks bearing petrol bombs (darraghmac), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Billionaire Craig Whyte, lest we forgethttps://p.twimg.com/Ali0kWUCQAAP6Sa.jpg
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Wealth off the radar!
― ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
https://p.twimg.com/Aliw0aQCQAAJe5Y.jpg
― Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Compare the Vision from two years ago to today's reality.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22400088
― There was Bjork from Iceland and Alanis Morissette from Canada (onimo), Monday, 1 June 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
So:
Whyte, Green, Clark & Whitehouse all arrested as part of an investigation into the takeover. Popcorn at the ready.
― ailsa, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 13:31 (eight years ago) link
Quality entertainment
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
free craigy whyte
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
I've no idea of the nature of the charges or how this will pan out, but...Is it possible for the sale of liquidated assets and/or their transfer from Sevco5088 to Sevco Scotland to be declared illegal? Is it also therefore possible that King Dave and the Three Bears have spent £15m on fuck all? Could Craig Whyte still technically own the assets? Does the liquidator get everything back and sell them again?Is there enough popcorn to see us through?
Weird how the whole "they have no money" thing goes away when they're winning games.
― passive aggressive DN (onimo), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link
no plea or declaration
https://bellacaledonia.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/craig-whyte-rangers-fc-glasgow-airport.jpg
― passive aggressive DN (onimo), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/imran-ahmad-wont-co-operate-6442404
Ahmad also slammed his former club, claiming it was “a religion built on centuries of religious bigotry” and said he “received death threats by phone and online”.He described Rangers fans as “a tribe” and also accused Police Scotland of being “an establishment institution which itself is deeply rooted and immersed in Rangers Football Club’s history for well over 140 years”.He continued: “I firmly believe Police Scotland have their own agenda and are deeply emotionally connected to Rangers Football Club. In my view Police Scotland have a clear conflict of interest.
He described Rangers fans as “a tribe” and also accused Police Scotland of being “an establishment institution which itself is deeply rooted and immersed in Rangers Football Club’s history for well over 140 years”.
He continued: “I firmly believe Police Scotland have their own agenda and are deeply emotionally connected to Rangers Football Club. In my view Police Scotland have a clear conflict of interest.
And we're the paranoid ones :-)
― ailsa, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 10:01 (eight years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34720850
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 12:37 (eight years ago) link
also
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/1331979-rangers-await-panel-verdict-on-outstanding-lord-nimmo-smith-ebt-fine/
― poster marked "WHITE PPL" (onimo), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link
This is all very delightful but is anything going to come of it?
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
Germans have been shocked in recent days by two anti-refugee protests in the eastern state of Saxony.Dozens of protesters blocked a bus carrying families to a shelter in the town of Clausnitz on Thursday night, hurling abuse and chanting "we are the people".
Errrrrrr...
― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
The gift that keeps on giving
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/rYaXPbQ.png
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
This is what happens when a ventriloquist's dummy takes over the running of a football club.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
Craig Whyte has been cleared of fraud but that "doesn't exonerate him from his villainy towards Rangers Football Club", according to Alastair Johnston, the man who was chairman of the Glasgow club at the time of its sale.In an interview with BBC Scotland, Johnston said: "Candidly he should have been charged with murder, murder of an institution."Destruction of people's passion, destruction of the spirit of hundreds of thousands of Rangers' fans. That's what he should have been charged with. Then it would have been a no brainer."Prosecutors, instead, charged Whyte with fraud relating to his takeover of the club in May 2011 and a jury acquitted him.He may have lied his way into Ibrox, concealing the true nature of how he was funding the takeover and his entrance signalled the beginning of the financial collapse of Rangers but his behaviour was not considered criminal.
In an interview with BBC Scotland, Johnston said: "Candidly he should have been charged with murder, murder of an institution.
"Destruction of people's passion, destruction of the spirit of hundreds of thousands of Rangers' fans. That's what he should have been charged with. Then it would have been a no brainer."
Prosecutors, instead, charged Whyte with fraud relating to his takeover of the club in May 2011 and a jury acquitted him.
He may have lied his way into Ibrox, concealing the true nature of how he was funding the takeover and his entrance signalled the beginning of the financial collapse of Rangers but his behaviour was not considered criminal.
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
How can it be 'murder*' if Rangers still exist and are not a new club?
*lol
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
the motherwell-born billionaire justly exonerated.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
Seen a few tweets suggesting that it was confirmed under oath during the trial that Rangers lied to get a UEFA licence in 2011. I haven't been following the trial because life's too short and I don't really care, but does anyone know what that's about? Googling getting me nowhere and I'm fucked if I'm wading through a bazillion posts on forums.
I see Alastair Johnson's been appointed to the Sevco board today though.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
the resolution 12 patter just makes my eyes glaze over. doubt anything will come of any of this (in terms of punishment from uefa, the sfa).
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Prosecutors, instead,
v nice deadpan reporting
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 00:14 (six years ago) link
Happy <s>Valentine's</s> Administration Day xx
― Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:23 (six years ago) link
Stupid tags. Where's a mod when you need one
― Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link
Hello! Comical ineptitude very much in keeping with the thread content imo
― ailsa, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
obsessed!
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
I wear my obsessed internet mentalist badge with pride.
― Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link