ILX Parenting 5: I'm a big kid now

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lately evie's been into saying "razzle dazzle," i'm not sure why. i taught her to say "aw snap" and yesterday when she was playing with her friend she said "hi dudes" and "that's awesome." also she told us that the magnets she was playing with were receipts and she was going to do the budget.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

You watch Yo Gabba Gabba at your house? I've heard all those on there. (hi friends instead of hi dudes, though.)

pplains, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

Or regular show?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dS5FjsC930&feature=related

frogsclovetofu (beachville), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

being really assiduous with nappy changing is a huge waste of time imo - the baby doesn't care about it at all

obviously if they get nappy rash that's a different story.. but the idea that changing them is going to change their mood or is important to do in the middle of the night is a fallacy imo

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

What on earth are you talking about? Wet diaper = cranky baby, day or night in my continuing experience.

frogsclovetofu (beachville), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

no ALL BABIES ARE LIKE MINE

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

i guess you can't generalize

but both of mine have happily sat around in their own filth for hours (not that i make that a goal, exactly...)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

we do have a yo gabba house yes

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

lately evie's been into saying "razzle dazzle," i'm not sure why. i taught her to say "aw snap" and yesterday when she was playing with her friend she said "hi dudes" and "that's awesome." also she told us that the magnets she was playing with were receipts and she was going to do the budget.

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hearing her say any of those would kill me tbh. Awww.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

none my pediatric residents (all parents) had heard of yo gabba

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

whaaaaaaaaaat

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

The budget thing SLAYS me. I love Evie!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

yeah N/A muno says 'razzle dazzle' a whole lot

so it has happened a few times now that august will be wet and so we will change her and as soon as we have her new diaper on, she has a blow out. so we started waiting a minute if she's only wet to change her. today we waited and then she had her blow out, so we were cleaning her, just about to put the new diaper on and all sudden the bed was covered!! we laughed so hard, she wasn't finished.

― JacobSanders, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:52 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

when beatle was an infant she was not so much getting rashes but she was red down in the diaper area and it clearly hurt all the time and even more so when we changed and wiped her. we took her to her doc who is head of pediatrics at our hospital and his advice straight up was do not use wipes if the babby has only peed and only change diapers when they are real full or the kid has gone number two (in which case change and wipe immediately, of course).

pp and i looked at him skeptically so then he told us about a baby he had seen just that day. the baby had a rash and crazy eczema over his entire body, the only exception being the diaper area where the skin was perfectly clear and healthy because those parents only wiped for poop and never pee. he said he has seen this sort of thing many many times and the anti pee wipe method works every time. this convinced us and beeps has been fine ever since.

fine with 49 (sunny successor), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

that was just a lil pro-tip

not a protip, henry is 2 and a half and STILL does this

fine with 49 (sunny successor), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

the faux poop followed by the real thing AFTER being changed, i mean

side note: it pleases me so much that you a tera seem to be thoroughly enjoying August. makes me want my own new baby

fine with 49 (sunny successor), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

faux poop!

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

K does her best pooping with the diaper off, no doubt.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

well we all do

catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link

sleep still not going so well. I think at 3 mos we're going to try ferber. We can't co-sleep (in fact we had a bit of a scare with her falling asleep on mom the other night and a near-accident), and she's getting to bed very late and then is tired throughout the day, as is mom. Not good for anyone really.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link

the frustrating thing I'm finding the more I read is that people on every side of the sleep debate seem to make exaggerated claims based on a lot less "research" than they make it seem, and sometimes just based on hunches or stuff that sounds good. Our pediatrics practice is run by Michel Cohen, author of The New Basics, and advocate of cry-it-out sleep-training at two months. Based on what? Well it turns out he got "testimonials" from parents who tried it! But then a lot of the attachment parenting websites hysterically exaggerate "research" and make it sound like sleep-training a child is going to lead to brain damage, nervous disorders, wars, famines, plagues, etc. One commonly cited "Harvard study" is actually just an article by two Harvard psychologists that was not actually a study at all but based on the authors' feelings and a single experiment of sorts of letting Kenyan mothers watch and comment on videos of American mothers' responses to their babies (the Kenyan mothers disapproved, therefore the American mothers are bad).

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

My friend just gave me a book called "Go the F**k to Sleep" and I thought of you. It is all about a parent's frustration.

*tera, Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:57 (twelve years ago) link

haha we have been doing the "only wipe for poo" method out of.... sheer laziness

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:05 (twelve years ago) link

Pee is actually sterile or something, isn't it? Like it actually cleans them.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

If you're using a jellyfish as a diaper, then yes.

pplains, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link

(you're right hurting. it doesn't hurt them as much as you'd think, but that doesn't mean you want to hire R. Kelly as your babysitter.)

pplains, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

hurt them?? god if pee hurt babies we'd have gone extinct several million years ago

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago) link

Gotta say that none of the babies from even ten years ago are still around today.

pplains, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

Ok I need to say some words about the good though, because the sleep fussiness is really exclusively a nighttime issue. She has become INCREDIBLY engaging lately. She smiles, laughs, kicks her legs frantically, makes vaguely talky noises, and is generally a lot of fun and very calm during the day. She loves the light from the window, and she will watch me spin her mobile and "ask" me to keep doing it (by flailing her arms and legs) for -- well I have done it for half an hour and never reached her limit. She also greatly enjoys her nightly bath, which I try to give her after work when I'm not too tired. She's also friggin huge -- 96th percentile height and weight, too big for size one diapers at under 11 weeks, already wearing 6-9 month clothing.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

AWWWWWWWW she sounds dreamy :)

*tera, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

Infant clothing sizes are crazy (like 0-3 never fit my son, 3-6 for like 2 months, and 6-9 until maybe 5 or 6 months) although they do begin to stabilize by the end of the first year I found.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's a scam.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

Hurting did you get a miracle blanket? i will buy you one if i have to.

fine with 49 (sunny successor), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, we have a few miracle blankets, but she struggled mightily in them, and now she's kind of outgrown them. She does better in a halo sleep sack, and mostly we find that arms-in doesn't work for her anymore. Last night she actually fell asleep earlier (went down for about 20-30 minutes at 8pm, woke up, went back down for good at maybe 9:30). We're really trying to just keep pushing the bedtime routines and the naps until we get to the point (if we do) of sleep training, sort of laying the groundwork, as it were. Maybe it's starting to work.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah my son was done with swaddling by 3-4 months. He would break free in the middle of the night and then scream mightily until we re-swaddled him and then struggle to break free again. This (combined with him outgrowing it) precipitated the move from co-sleeper to crib at four months and then sleep training soon after.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 May 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

If used correctly baby cant escape the miracle blanket. But I agree, most swaddling products are absolute shite.

I learned way way too late with beatrice not to worry so much about training. any kind that involves a regiment anyway (sleep, food etc). my mantra became 'and this too shall pass' and of course it always did. very quickly too.

fine with 49 (sunny successor), Friday, 4 May 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

"If used correctly baby cant escape the miracle blanket."

Believe me babies can escape the miracle blanket. We swaddled him with the miracle blanket AND another swaddle and he still broke free.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link

OTM

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago) link

yikes, i think we are seeing the first signs of a diaper rash. and yep unless august is still in a milk high, she will kick out of her swaddling blanket or kick the sheet off her, i think she just likes kicking though.

JacobSanders, Saturday, 5 May 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link

i am on the verge of saying fuck off to Medicaid, fuck off to insurance and fuck off to hospitals and health care providers, and its sad because i dont want to feel this way but they keep disappointing me. today we took august for her first check up and after they drew blood which made both tera and i cry, which were ok with, it was hard but needs to be done. when we were finished and about to schedule our next appointment for vaccines we explain that i travel for my work and we probably will not be in this area then. the manger at this clinic then told us if we dont follow through with the next appointment it will give us a red flag with Medicaid, that even if we make an appointment in a different city it will be a red flag that we arent caring for our baby, she then told us that traveling with the baby is always terrible for the baby and puts her health at great risk. she went on the list every possible problem we will expose the baby to, which tera and i both calmly listened to while i was boiling. i mean all i do is research what is best for our baby and learn what each step of her growth and development means and how to best meet her needs. i didnt even want to bring her out of the house today because it was a chilly wet day, but i wanted her to have her check up. again and again doctors and nurses continue to scare and try to force us into doing things that we are unsure of and then threaten us when she try to talk about what is happening. i really want to tell the federal goverment to stay out of our rearing our baby, i have money and just ay out of pocket for everything, but again that is frowned upon and is a red flag! what is a red flag anyway? sorry to rant.

JacobSanders, Saturday, 12 May 2012 06:07 (twelve years ago) link

am i just being stubborn, i havent always viewed health care this way, but i feel like i keep getting pushed around and left with very little options.

JacobSanders, Saturday, 12 May 2012 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

ugh, I'm sorry dude. I don't know the answers to your insurance questions, but many have been the times when, as a parent, some aspect of the US healthcare system has pissed me the hell off.

how's life, Saturday, 12 May 2012 09:58 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not sure if it's a problem of insurance. We signed up for Medicaid in case we had to go to the hospital to help cover the cost. My insurance only covers so much, and somehow Medicaid was assigned as our primary coverage, and that combined with attempting a home birth and Tera being hispanic, the people at the hospital have treated us poorly. We decided to see the same doctor who cared for August in the hospital because we thought consistency would be nice, but a lot of the problems we had followed us. We were assigned to go to a minority clinic because in order to see the same doctor we had to be a Medicaid patient.

JacobSanders, Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

sounds like this guy was bein a dick basically

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

Which guy? I thought it was the manager that was saying this awful stuff. Agree they sound like a terrible person. I can't stand people who spend their time trying to terrify new parents.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I have semi checked it out, spoke to someone in health and human services, who had not heard of this. Going to make a call on Monday to get more details. But the woman who made these claims regarding Medicaid and travel did insert her own disclaimer when she said twice,"Now these are just tips and advice I am giving you." When I heard that I became suspicious and annoyed.

*tera, Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

oh for some reason i thought it was a guy. anyway ugh.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 May 2012 12:25 (twelve years ago) link

finally at that point where you find something to do on the night you have a babysitter instead of getting a babysitter for that night you had something you wanted to do

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link

So we're stuck with sleep again. Basically we had continued to have a situation where K was basically calm and happy most of the day, rarely cried, and was alright about naps, but would not fall asleep and got extremely, extremely upset and fussy at night. We tried soothing to sleep, rocking to sleep, we had a bedtime routine, we swaddled, white noise, pretty much every tip. We tried a pacifier but it would just fall out after ten minutes and she'd wake up and cry again.

Eventually it got to the point where she wouldn't even fall asleep on H some nights (which, even when she did, was not such a good thing as H was so tired that K almost fell off her one night). We despaired, and we finally decided to try sleep training at about 11 weeks -- it felt early, but K is a very big and developed baby and literally nothing was working, and K was only falling asleep very late from exhaustion after hours of sleep/wake/cry battles, and not getting enough sleep.

So we did a Ferber-type method, intervals of crying followed by coming in to console. This may have been a mistake as she may be too young to respond the way Ferber intends or too young to understand the coming and going. But for several nights it seemed like it was working really well -- she'd cry for maybe a total of 20 minutes (which feels awful, believe me, but is much less than I've heard from other parents), fall asleep, wake up once more maybe 40 minutes later, and then fall asleep after a shorter time. The crying gradually lessened, and she started sleeping longer stretches -- she'd wake up once or maybe twice to feed during the night and we'd feed her, but she started getting 10-11 hours a night of sleep, which is what she needs.

But then we hit a wall. After more than a week, she'd still cry every time we put her down and that wasn't lessening. We started to be unable to take having to not respond to her crying for such a long stretch, even 10-15 minutes. Last night was maybe night 10 or 11 and we panicked and started soothing her again, which only seemed to make things worse. No idea what to do now. We may have started this thing too early, but it seemed like none of the other tips we had gotten were working and no one could give us an answer.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:52 (twelve years ago) link

It may be that there's nothing that will help but it'd be worth taking a look here http://www.isisonline.org.uk/ info on how infants sleep, and on studies on sleep training etc.

Sounds pretty horrid for the three of you. Have you tried/looked at the 'no cry sleep solution'?

vickyp, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, we have the No Cry book. It doesn't strike me as a method so much as a bunch of tips, many of which seem to fail. The good news is that in spite of the crying bouts, K continues to seem quite happy, engaged and warm throughout the day. I'm hoping that maybe this is just something that will work itself out as long as we continue to generally encourage good sleep habits, have a bedtime routine, regular naps, etc.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link


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