Bach: Austere, omnipitent, cosmic, pure, abundant, ageless, the balance of an enlightened master,
Mozart: Poised, beautiful, witty, youthful, inspired, profoundly wise, joyful, angelic
Beethoven: Awesome, tragic, eternally striving, strident, self-creating, anguished, triumphant, human
― Masked Gazza, Monday, 10 May 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Monday, 10 May 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago) link
(If we're talking opera, that's a totally different story.)
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link
― de, Monday, 10 May 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link
(xpost)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link
Beethoven verily rocks.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link
― de, Monday, 10 May 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link
I forgot Glenn Gould's Little Bach Book
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Monday, 10 May 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago) link
haha snap john d. Yeah Mozart was really everything that Mahler really wanted to be, but he was a Beethovinian (out of that list; he's also Schubertian).
― de, Monday, 10 May 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link
Yes I was going to add 'cheeky' or mischievous' or something, but I left it at 'witty'. As for the others, well obviously I've emphasised some characteristics over others, so it doesn't get too confusing as a personality match. I mean 'abundant' could equally apply to Mozart, 'inspired' to Bach, 'cosmic' to Beethoven.
― Masked Gazza, Monday, 10 May 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 02:41 (twenty years ago) link
― jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Hidayglo, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 07:43 (twenty years ago) link
More wisdom from my piano teacher: she reckoned that when Beethoven started going deaf he got really, really cranky and decided to make his music as bastardy difficult as possible to play. At the time I was learning a piece with four-finger chords all over the fucking keyboard in very quick succession, so I had no reason to doubt her.
I love listening to my Gould Variations CD, but find playing Bach a bit dull. It's the sort of music that makes me feel like I need to sit up straight with my elbows tucked in and be a nice girl.
So Mozart wins.
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 11:18 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.btm.de/sevenstars/pics/salzburg/culinary_mozartkugeln.jpg
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link
Beethoven, eh, I reall don't know what happened there. I think he's someone else's fault actualy.
But I won't go into all that now. Not here.
― God, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago) link
in re: chamber music search also the Mozart clarinet quintet which is to die for
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
Bear in mind I've had this keyboard for sixty eight trillion years so the keys are a bit wobbly.
Btw, Beethoven's string quartet op.131 is my influence. I just had to stop him working on his 10th symphony Grrrrr. That would have been worse than the Grosse Fugue!
― God, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link
neither have I, but that Gardiner book looks good
this film is wildly recommended if you're already beyond the pale into Bach fandom: http://www.amazon.com/Chronicle-Anna-Magdalena-Gustav-Leonhardt/dp/B0009WIE8O
uses his second wife's diary as a thread to show Bach at work rehearsing & performing, but it's basically 100 minutes of musicians in period dress, at historical locations, performing the music live (single camera shots). total immersion. so, mostly about the music, but with just the occasional narrative tweak to let you imagine the life that the music demanded. production levels are modest, and it's such all out Bach worship that it must be said that this hardly for everyone, but oh my god was it ever for me. it's currently on youtube if you demand a safety check but it rewards commitment
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 19 December 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link
+1, that film is amazing
― fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 19 December 2013 21:55 (ten years ago) link
"Bach had 17 children because his organ didn't have any stops"
--leo kottke
― yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
brandenburg concerto 3, movement 1, a++++++++
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:08 (ten years ago) link
Gardiner made this documentary (more or less the book in digest) for the BBC, which was shown earlier this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQbppQq54E
― Call the Cops, Saturday, 21 December 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
who knew john eliot gardiner's father was a nazi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Gardiner
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Monday, 23 December 2013 00:43 (ten years ago) link
Despise Eliot Gardiner.
Now I understand Straub's film can be tough for some (especially in the way it is shot) but its a much better way of approaching Bach, or any other kind of "giant" of past art.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 December 2013 00:52 (ten years ago) link
Watched the beginning of the Straub film this afternoon seems like something I'd like. Has anyone read that recent book about The Cello Suites?
― The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 December 2013 01:07 (ten years ago) link
I actually didn't know that Casals was responsible for resurrecting them. I do get the impression that they've increased in popularity over time and have become one of *the* iconic bach pieces (maybe even moreso than the brandenburg concertos for modern audiences?). I think it would be interesting to look at why that is. Maybe there's something about the simultaneously lush and minimal/spare sound that suits modern tastes.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 December 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
Despise Eliot Gardiner. --xyzzzz__
--xyzzzz__
Why?
― Call the Cops, Monday, 23 December 2013 06:36 (ten years ago) link
Don't like his approach, completely the opposite to the Straubs. There is a section in that doc, iirc, where he gives short shrift to Telemann (whom I really like) that is simply infuriating.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 December 2013 09:44 (ten years ago) link
Oh, right. That wording made me think you have something against him as a conductor rather than a documentarian.
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick, but I've noticed once or twice that his Amazon reviews are peppered with insulting remarks and general character assassination. Was wondering what bothers some people about Gardiner - have never had any problem with his music making personally.
― Call the Cops, Monday, 23 December 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link
What you guys know about Rosalyn Tureck?
― Can One Hear the Shape of a Ron Decline Bottle? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 22:24 (ten years ago) link
I discovered Mozart I like -- the Haffner Symphony (No. 35).
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Sunday, 30 March 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link
I've listened to a couple of Bach piano recordings by her, and while they're not bad, they sound a bit too mannered and dry to my taste... If you want to listen to mannered Bach on piano (which can be cool, it's not necessarily a bad thing, especially since Bach was a bit of a formalist in his keyboard music), I'd recommend the more recent recordings by Angela Hewitt (on Hyperion) instead.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 30 March 2014 12:43 (ten years ago) link
the full range of the possible, even just within an 8 (or 9) planet solar system is just so extreme that you can only vacillate between awe and terror when you contemplate it.
― ryan, Sunday, 30 March 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
wrong thread obv!
― ryan, Sunday, 30 March 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
Right that should be on the POO: Holst, Haydn, Handel thread.
― Bristol Stomper's Breakout (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 March 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/music-of-the-heavenly-spheres-part-2-holst-haydn-handel-and-more-30519469/
― Bristol Stomper's Breakout (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 March 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link
Xpost the Haffner is my favorite Mozart symphony. The Beecham/LPO recording from the 78 rpm era kicks ass.
― Myth or it didn't happen (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 30 March 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link
I've been listening to the szell/Cleveland recording. Szell was the man.
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 March 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/_mrqiXtktPI/maxresdefault.jpg
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Monday, 31 March 2014 06:17 (ten years ago) link
Ok mozart symphony 28 second movement. Man.
― ביטקוין (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link
I would love to be schooled on Mozart! Nevertheless, going with Bach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRocnRu6Kxg
His music is inspiring and relevant to me in no less a fashion than any current musician, and though I wouldn't say it matters, I bet even Beethoven and Mozart would choose him.
― Dominique, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 04:13 (ten years ago) link
Yeah bach is still my guy. Appreciating mozart is still a new thing for me.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 04:19 (ten years ago) link
I think about Bach more than any modern musician, he's the best ever
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 04:36 (ten years ago) link
No contest.
― Call the Cops, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 06:30 (ten years ago) link
Although I listen to Beethoven and Mozart way more than I did at the dawn of this thread.
― Call the Cops, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 06:31 (ten years ago) link
The last 3 Mozart pcs to go all god on me were the clarinet quintet, figaro, and the gran partita.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
This would turn anyone around on Mozart: http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Piano-Sonatas-Kv310-Fantasias/dp/B000E0LBAY
― Call the Cops, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:36 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Me too. I spent all winter listening to a way disproportionate amount of Bach compared to everything else combined. Especially Bach keyboard music. Sometimes a Bach piece is in my head all day. Now that it's spring I guess I'm feeling more Beethoven and Mozart though all of a sudden.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 22:11 (ten years ago) link
I think this might be my favorite piece of music ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhqqxEQRRY
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 22:13 (ten years ago) link
and that's the best performance/recording I've heard of it by like a million miles
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link
One thing about Bach is, even when his stuff is played by beginners like at a kids' piano recital it will usually sound pretty good, and if you play it yourself you feel like you are learning a ton of stuff. It's just so well-made, well-crafted and at the same time infused with genius.
― When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 April 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
What is the board consensus on Fur Elise? I think it is one of my least favorite pieces of music.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
I like it fine but it is not as sturdy as anything from JSB, as the recent kids' recital mentioned above demonstrated.
― Kid Creole Meets Señor Coconut at a fIREHOSE Show (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
It's fine, it's just been driven into the ground. The three sets of Bagatelles (op. 33, 119 and 126) are more exciting displays of what beethoven could do in the short fragmentary mode that would be the bread and butter of the romantics.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
otm. Bought a Dover book of the Bagatelles and Für Elise and fooled around with learning the latter, but only as a comedy punch line and in fact saw those two popular comedy musicians -I forget their names, one is Russian one is Korean-American I think- do exactly that when I saw them this past New Year's Eve.
― Kid Creole Meets Señor Coconut at a fIREHOSE Show (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
― When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:11 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This. 99% of what's good about the music is in the notes on the page, so all you need is for someone to competently and clearly articulate the notes. That's why I like Gould so much for Bach and rarely enjoy him playing almost anything else, whereas a lot of otherwise wonderful pianists sound goofy to me playing their affected bach.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link
After too much coffee I was thinking that Mozart is sort of the Motown (lol almost pun) of classical music -- constant, polished hitmaker, everything sounds good and clean. Beethoven is a bit more like Stax -- raw, emotive, tumultuous. IDK what that makes Bach though.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 27 May 2019 14:47 (five years ago) link
Beethoven > Bach >>>>>>>>> Mozart
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 May 2019 14:51 (five years ago) link
(I am Salieri.)
Bach = Fortune Records
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2019 14:54 (five years ago) link
Wow, the Kempff and the Lipatti upthread are phenomenal
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:28 (five years ago) link
Mozart has given me the most pleasure.
― zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 01:46 (five years ago) link
Mozart more and more. I'm mulling whether to go see Figaro in a couple weeks.
― jmm, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 13:54 (five years ago) link
Speaking of Salieri: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/03/antonio-salieris-revenge
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JauII1jCG6Q
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 22 October 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link
I see I never specified my primary allegiance. It's Bach.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 22 October 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link
Bach for me too, perhaps more unusual is that I mostly like to listen to the cantatas.
― o. nate, Thursday, 22 October 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link