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um... or maybe it is. The imagery is very odd, though.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link

No, actually, I totally agree with you Amateurist. It's that visual impact of Antonioni's stuff that makes me a fan, first and foremost.

I can't tell you many tiny little mini-scenes - devoid of dialogue - have permanently wormed there way into my consciousness. I can't be standing underneath a tree at midnight, as the wind loudly rustles the leaves, and not think of those park scenes in Blow Up. Or, the sound of clanging of ropes against flagpoles instantly transports me to that little shot in L'Eclisse where the Vitti character is running along after her friend as the flagpoles do just that...

actually, I should qualify that "weird-ass modernism" thing; modernist architecture strikes me as anything but weird -- the cellular structure and all that. But with Antonioni it's all in the framing; that's the thing -- he makes the mundane seem weird by isolating certain of its aspects. Like in that shot mentioned above, i'm assuming it's some standard multi-level living structure, but he frames the character standing on the roof in a cutaway -- this guy standing atop this strange geometric shape pointing at the sky -- which really just sort of emphasizes the odd character of contemporary life and our relationship with our physical envirmonment.

I mean, there's a laundry list of memorable scenes where he does this -- in Il Grido (those weird-ass spool things. wtf?), in the Red Desert stuff I mentioned, in La Notte when the Moreau character goes off by herself to explore the city .. even the relatively poor Zabriskie Point is just FILLED with this shit .. the Rauschenbergesque framings when the lead male character flees the campus and drives his truck through the city, the silly interlude with the development firm that "Daria" works for, and of course that odd cottage which explodes in a Wonder Bread frenzy at the end..

Fuck, I dunno .. Yeah, I love the guy for his striking imagery above all. But I do think in that halting dialogue, that inability to communicate -- he presents a sort of alternate "depth of character". or something.

Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

he makes the mundane seem weird by isolating certain of its aspects.

yes, i agree completely. to some extent, this is what most art does. more specifically, i think antonioni is good at exploting the geometries of urban architecture in ways that render them unfamiliar (often excitingly so)..

ozu is another who does this. he manages to make even the most mundane office building strange and beautiful. in fact, when i saw an inn in tokyo (1935), with its boldly framed shots of hulking, derelict industrial equipment in a barren suburban landscape, i thought "antonioni!"

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I rented "L'Avventura" this evening, even though the girl saw it about a month ago. She didn't want to watch it twice -- "It's great," she said, "but it's so slow I could feel my fingernails growing."

Formed thoughts forthcoming. I didn't think about my fingernails -- I can say that much already. The music was quite sticky.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

that opening and closing theme music is amazingly catchy

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Of all the reputed-to-be "slow" films I've seen in my lifetime, L'Avventura was probably the least worth that rep. Even Antonioni's own Blowup is slower, to my tastes.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I remember thinking the opening music belonged in Divorce Italian Style.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Antonispicoli.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I only post on this thread when I've been drinking. La.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I went to Maryon Park a few weeks ago to scout out the old locations from Blowup, and take some pictures.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

is that soundtrack music on cd?

amateur!!st, Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
yes it is (blowup, not l'aventurra)

london has an antonioni season on now. because of soime fuxoring american cousins who have decided to ruin my life, i'm missing half of it, but i did see 'la notte' saturday. i love antonioni.

but they aren't showing 'the passenger'. for some crazy reason, presumably rights-related, they could only show it IF MICHELANGELO HIMSELF ATTENDED. needles to say, this didn't happen.

N_Rq, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Dealt with upthread, I know, but I really have to get "Fellationi" out of my head.
five months pass...
I saw The Passenger this weekend.

I know I'm prone to gushing and over-effusion sometimes on these boards, but really, it was so very, very good.

Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

antoniony! antonioni! antonione!

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

A DVD of The Passenger in a restored state is scheduled for release next year (May 23 according to Amazon). Don't know what the extras are.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw it on video about 11 years ago and disliked it, as I do most late Antonioni. Still, I'm looking forward to catching this at my local arthouse.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

hey adam!

I put off watching The Passenger for a long time ('cause Zabriskie Hurts) and when I finally saw it a few years ago I was completely blown away -- I need to see it again

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

It bugged me when I saw it as an undergrad, but now I like it. I even stayed at the same hotel Jack stays at in Barcelona.

I still haven't dared to see Zabriskie Point.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

the passenger has references to not one but two! michael snow films.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

or perhaps they are not so much references as appropriations.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to work right next to the Bloomsbury Squatre complex where Maria Schneider is filmed reading in the sun.

I also can't believe the Malaga scenes at the end of the film - that town is such a horrible tourist pit now. It actually used to look classy (or at least peaceful, in a desolate sort of way).

Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

which michael snow films, am?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

wavelength and

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, that's back and forth

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i think the film as a whole absorbs something of snow's methodology ca. 1967-71

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, Wavelength! I'm guessing you are talking about that final (or penultimate anyway) shot.

You can see the camera operator reflected in the french window. The man must be a brute.

Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

nice, thanks.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw the re-edit of the passenger at the LFF last month and it was so still & watching beautiful, I really liked it. The face of the lead girl was so perfect, how wide-eyed she was amid all this gorgeous architecture/scenery/&c...

(i don't know how much of a difference those extra six or something minutes they put back in really makes, though)

spontine (cis), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Zabriskie struck me as thoroughly honorable and occasionally beautiful when I finally saw it, moreso than recent pseudo-Antonioni like that horrid Bruno Dumont 29 Palms.

I haven't seen the early stuff in eons.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Where's the allusion to in The Passenger?

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

That was supposed to say the allusion to Back and Forth... (I did the symbol thing but I guess it read as HTML code).

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

to my mind it's the scene where schneider and nicholson are at some kind of outdoor cafe (?) having a conversation, and the camera makes a few very abrupt, violent pans left and right and then left again (IIRC) that nominally follow the cars that are passing on the highway in the distant background. essentially the camera becomes loosed from its function of observing the narrative (or even commenting on it expresisvely), which happens a lot in antonioni in various ways but rarely so flagrantly (and ridiculously, if i can use that word non-judgementally).

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ah shit good point. here is a slightly overheated thing i wrote about the film's a/g positioning when it was still unavailable in the uk ('cept on my shitty vhs). i got the 'wavelength' ref tho.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link

You can see the camera operator reflected in the french window.

Forgot to look for this. I did notice the first time Jack says "What the fuck are you doing with me?" (under the tree), it's clearly dubbed as his lips aren't moving, which suggests it was done to make the line resonate in the last hotel scene.

Second time I'd seen The Passenger (first since mid to late '80s); hadn't remembered hardly anything but the famed next-to-last shot ... I do think it stands with Blowup at a minimum; i'll probably work my way backwardish through his oeuvre now. Nicholson's probably never given a more somber and natural performance, even in his '69-75 Arthouse Bogart run (which this capped). I though Maria Schneider was speaking English phonetically, but her movements seem similarly stilted (when she puts her hand on Jack's shoulder, elbow stiff).

My brain was asleep early on -- what was Jack burning in his yard in the flashback, besides tree limbs, if anything?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't he burning the remnants of his own identity? But I haven't seen it in a long time so I don't know.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it was a flashback with his wife yelling at him from the window, so he hadn't made the switch yet.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe he was just WISHING he could destroy his identity while he was burning the tree trunks

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

saw "the passenger" friday, so great.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

he was burning the part of the script that explains what he was burning.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's a trivia question for y'all which maybe everybody knows these days but used to kind of a secret: What film was Maria Schneider cast in and then fired from shortly after filming began, inspiring a very unique casting decision to replace her?

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

'taxi driver'

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, 'obscure object of my desire'

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

You can see the camera operator reflected in the french window. The man must be a brute.

I thought that was the reflection of the assassain.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

it is.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Wonder what 7 minutes were cut for the US release in '75. I don't remember the scene of Mrs Locke watching the execution footage, but that doesn't mean anything.

I see Ebert upgraded the pan from his original review, so he is getting smarter (in some cases).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I didnt think much of it during my intiial screening 11 years ago; maybe it was the quality of the print; maybe it was my boredom with late Antonioni; maybe because I hate Blow-Up?

Still, I wanna see it again.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

it's so much better than "blow up."

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

ebert's review was interesting. he allows himself not to interpret the oblique bits in the film, which is something he normally likes to do (saying the silences in a film are emblematic of particular traits of the characters, or of an overall "theme" or message). in fact he makes a point of saying that antonioni films aren't really there to interpret, which certainly goes against the historical record, insofar as 'l'avventura' and 'blow-up' have been endlessly interpreted. perhaps antonioni just makes his films so obviously oblique and open to interpretation that it makes the exercise of interpretation boring, too obvious a move.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

exercise of interpretation boring = movie boring, in my book

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link


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