I guess the question is, is it ok to do a Jolson routine these days?
Was watching an ABC panel dicsussion show just earlier, and one of the panellist said something like "people are overreacting to this - we should be allowed to laugh at ourselves". Seeminly blind to the fact that a bunch of white and indian australian guys in blackface can hardly be "laughing at themselves" can they.
― ceci n'est pas une pipecock (Trayce), Friday, 9 October 2009 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i think the answer has been pretty unanimously "no"
― I am not an animal, I'm a human SBing (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 9 October 2009 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
But then how do you explain the thousands of Jolson-style performers you see everywhere these days?
― I Am Curious (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 10 October 2009 06:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I say "Jabbawockeez, CIO"
― as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Saturday, 10 October 2009 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.truthordarepics.com/sexstoryarchive/covered/images/covered5.jpg
― Dynamic Leia Dress (kingkongvsgodzilla), Saturday, 31 October 2009 11:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Um.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s236/mezxspectrum/ThatsRacist.gif
― DavidM, Saturday, 31 October 2009 11:13 (fourteen years ago) link
i cant see it.
― happy halloweiner aunty tina (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 31 October 2009 11:18 (fourteen years ago) link
You're better off.
― Dynamic Leia Dress (kingkongvsgodzilla), Saturday, 31 October 2009 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I little bit of innocent mud play never hurt anyone.
― PC Thug (Ned Trifle II), Saturday, 31 October 2009 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5394350/the-situation-where-a-dallas-cowboys-cheerleader-appeared-in-blackface-for-halloween-will-probably-not-end-well
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1257023169053_dc_cheerleader4.jpg
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1257023201903_dc_cheerleader8.jpg
― a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 1 November 2009 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know, I instantly recognized that as a Li'l Wayne costume and it ergo doesn't seem to be as big of a deal to me.
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Sunday, 1 November 2009 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link
But is it really necessary? Pretty sure that would be instantly recognizable as Lil Wayne minus the blackface.
― More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Sunday, 1 November 2009 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Did that big guy have to carry the other guy around like that all night?
― henry s, Sunday, 1 November 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I saw someone blackfaced and had no fucking idea what they were going for, although most of my group's awkward silent seething rage went towards the 'Barry's Backstreet Abortions' doctor with a bloody doll dangling over her shoulder. Cunt.
― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 1 November 2009 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I guy in blackface came up to me last night and asked for crack and I had to be restrained.
― kate78, Sunday, 1 November 2009 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Restraint is overrated. Should've went ham on the motherfucker.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 1 November 2009 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1257023192520_dc_cheerleader7.jpg
This one is the most mind-blowing bcz of the also-facepaint maraichis.
― we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Sunday, 1 November 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
imo it's kind of awesome that it's a chick going as lil wayne
Not the blackface, don't get me wrong, but the half-assed drag aspect of it. Like she didn't even try to hide her tits but it's still obviously 'hey I'm lil wayne!"
― we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Sunday, 1 November 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link
saw two dudes in blackface as serena and venus, wasn't able to get a decent pic tho : /
― coz (webinar), Sunday, 1 November 2009 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img.skitch.com/20091101-1k2yby5ihqsu8c99fn75g2ajjb.jpg
― coz (webinar), Sunday, 1 November 2009 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
― kate78, Sunday, November 1, 2009 9:51 AM (3 hours ago)
harm would have been inflicted if it were i
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 November 2009 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, ditto, for some reason
― how rad bandit (gbx), Sunday, 1 November 2009 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
really?
― dowd, Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, if all it takes to make blackface acceptable is for it to be a recognisable person I hope you enjoy the flood of Obama blackface pictures that are doubtless coming over the next few days.
― dowd, Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah um, I'm confused now. Harry Connck Jr caused a SHITSTORM here by declaring the guys doing that skit mentioned above on that shitty TV show was offensive and it really riled people up. The thing was, people defending it said "but they were playing the JACKSONS, how else were they meant to dress?!?". And if some of you are saying now its ok for this person as lil Wayne, well... I'm confused, because that makes what Connick objected to OK on that basis, as well.
(regardless of the fact it was just a lame skit)
― i obtain much semillon (Trayce), Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
NB I should point out I'm not now nor was then defending that or any other blackface skit, simply because I'm well aware of the implications. Unfortunately, a lot of Australians are completely unaware of the history. COmpletely, 100% no idea.
― i obtain much semillon (Trayce), Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
glad to help clear this up for you i obtain much semillon blackface not OK
― conrad, Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Look I agree with you, but apparently Dan and gbx dont, and I gotta tell you that is suprising me.
― i obtain much semillon (Trayce), Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Wait sorry no, I'm not implying what Dan said = "it is ok" generally, but you get my point.
abbott kinda sums up my feelings better, really.
― how rad bandit (gbx), Monday, 2 November 2009 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link
ey white folks- don't go to hallowe'en as black folks. ok?
― antastic mr ox (darraghmac), Monday, 2 November 2009 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Trayce I am so sorry of all people to sonn Australia it was Harry Chronics Jr.
http://asg.homelinux.org/albums/dean/Dean_ah.sized.jpg
― we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Monday, 2 November 2009 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
To be unambiguous, here is my stance (and I think I also said this upthread in the original discussion):
If you have darkened your skin to look like a realistic portrayal of someone of another ethnicity, I do not have a problem with that.
If you have darkened your skin to look like this:
http://www.subvulture.com/archive/white_xmas_al_jolson.jpg
I have a MASSIVE problem with that. THIS is blackface. THIS is what I find offensive.
I understand why people are super-sensitive about any situation where people's skin is darkened because of the whole history of minstrel shows but I really do believe that equating what the cheerleader did, particularly since SHE LOOKED LIKE LIL WAYNE (with tits, lol) with what Al Jolson did is beyond sketchy, because what does making that equivalency say about how you're viewing Lil Wayne?
I mean, has anyone actually SEEN the pictures of the Michael Jackson group in Australia that Harry Connick Jr objected to? They looked like this:
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/images/hey_hey_blackface_400.jpg
People are taking shit like THAT and equating it with what Tyra Banks did on America's Next Top Model with pasty Irish-looking model Nicole, who normally looks like this:
http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20090812/300.nicole.antm.cycle13.081209.jpg
... but had a photoshoot where she was styled to look like this:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/10/31/alg_next_top_model.jpg
In what universe is the above picture a direct equivalent to this:
http://www.subvulture.com/archive/white_xmas_al_jolson.jpghttp://www.subvulture.com/archive/white_xmas_al_jolson.jpghttp://www.subvulture.com/archive/white_xmas_al_jolson.jpghttp://www.subvulture.com/archive/white_xmas_al_jolson.jpghttp://www.subvulture.com/archive/white_xmas_al_jolson.jpg
I mean seriously, COME THE FUCK ON.
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link
So, in summation:
Looks like a recognizable human being = ok with meLooks like Al Jolson = fuck you for an eternity you fucking racist cumbubble
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
um guys.. somebody wore a KKK outfit in our office costume contest thing on friday!
perhaps it should be noted that the dude is part black but it still managed to be a pretty O_o situation.
― carne asada, Monday, 2 November 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
ha of course that's going to be a o_O situation, that is a wholly inappropriate thing to do at work and a super risky move
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Looks like a recognizable human being = ok with me― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 15:16 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
What if its supposed to look like a recognisable human being, but I have no idea who that person looks like (lil wayne) or it looks nothing like that person (ronaldinho bottleopener)?
― tomofthenest, Monday, 2 November 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, it didn't go over too well. he's a goofy guy and it just didn’t even seem like he thought it would be a big deal. xp
― carne asada, Monday, 2 November 2009 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
What if its supposed to look like a recognisable human being, but I have no idea who that person looks like
Does it still look like a human being or does it look like a blackface golliwog? Why is this difficult to understand?
or it looks nothing like that person (ronaldinho bottleopener)
That had its own entirely different set of poor racial connotations that have nothing to do with blackfae, so why are you bringing it up here?
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
lol "blackfae", someone must be done about all of these offensive pictures of elves and fairies in Jolson makeup
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Do not talk to me about offensive pictures of fairies, photos of me have been shopped into some gay-ass fairyland bullshit and are FOR SALE ONLINE. There is no blackface involved, but that's about the only thing missing.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link
links please
― caek, Monday, 2 November 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.camangepasdepain.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/peter_pan_cmpdp.jpg
― TGAAPQ (Mr. Que), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
that was an awesome xpost
oh wau
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link
so, al jolson is not an acceptable halloween costume then...
― It's-a not so bad (jeff), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link
"Tasteless, stupid, unfunny, lamentable and idiotic. Anyone beat up for same deserves it."
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LimitedLiabilityGirl/YouAreKiddingMe.jpg
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Come to think of it, someone needs to get to work animating that, STAT.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link