if you like real answers you will *hate* law school
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link
If anyone's considering graduate work in philosophy, you should probably read all of the following:
http://philosophysmoker.blogspot.com/ ( As well as their old archives here: http://philosophyjobmarket.blogspot.com/ )
http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/advice_for_academic_job_seekers/http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/issues_in_the_profession/
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link
xxp uh you could pretty much go for anything non math or science related ime if you really wanted to
― don't blame pitchfork, blame america (call all destroyer), Monday, 12 October 2009 02:31 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, I really gotta figure out what else I'm interested in besides humanities stuff.
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao, I think I had read that article before, but I just re-read it and it seems fairly spot-on to me. Thanks for posting the link.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link
harbl yeah I can see that but I have to imagine it is a step above lit 'real answers' in terms of realness
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link
not really dude
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean not that i know
what is real, max
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
http://caravanofdreams.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/buddha-enlightenment1.jpgHuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
― I got RIPPED in 4 weeks (Z S), Monday, 12 October 2009 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
All English majors know that Lacan is the go-to guy for everything about the Real.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
it's not really a step above. more of a lateral move i suppose. anyway it's really annoying what kind of arguments people can make to support whatever shitty conclusion they want. and how this can go on for a full class period. in practice it's a little better because there is a real person involved. but then you read a case where the judge has done the same thing. it sucks. it's not any more based on "reality" than your literature stuff. i like it (maybe because i like uncertainty and games, and thinking about stuff like literature lol) but it's messy.
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link
do law people worry a lot about their writing style or do they just ram their points through in whatever way they see fit
like half the problem I have with writing in lit is that not only do I want to make a good point, I want to do it in style
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i worry about my writing style but everyone says it's very good ^_^. a lot of people do not seem to understand what writing is.
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
People don't misuse outdated theoretical apparatuses like Freudian psychoanalysis and deconstruction to support their conclusions in law school though, I'd assume? Which at least makes your work there slightly more based in reality than a lot of what passes for "cogent argument" in English departments.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Man, I wished that the undergrad English classes I took dealt with critical theory in any significant way; I had to take philosophy classes for that (as well as a cultural studies course while on study abroad in the U.K.).
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Not that deconstruction is outdated, per se, but the manner in which it is deployed as a critical methodology in certain instances in the context of English departments is terrifying.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
jaymc, what did your philosophy classes cover? At my college, all of the post-Heideggerian philosophy, which the exception of Gadamer, was housed in the English department. In philosophy we had the opportunity to study anything between the pre-Socratics and Gadamer, and that was good but lacking. I mean, a lot has happened since Being and Time.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I did a lot of Freudian psychoanalysis in college, death drive and all that; my professor based his career on his reading of The Pleasure Principle
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
Thankfully, being an English major, I was able to study Zizek, Derrida, and many others.
Being a philosophy minor, I was lucky enough to obtain more of a firm grounding in the Western philosophical tradition than many of my peers. Even then, though, there was still no opportunity to study, say, Deleuze or any of the thinkers in the Speculative Realist movement. That being said, I'm thankful for what I did get to study.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxxxp eh no but imo it's a mistake to be all like these enlightenment principles are grounded in reality and freud isn't. tbh i don't even like to think of stuff as "based in reality" and not based in reality. i don't know. this could go on forever, i can't even explain it to myself.
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link
lol lawyer
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link
see dyao this is what i mean
yeah, i didn't even do that on purpose
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link
you get to create your own reality though, which is really useful
yeah max but lawyers can get paid $$$ to do this
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao, was the Freud guy a relatively old professor?
I recently heard an English major talk sadly about how all of the psychology professors only mention Freud in passing. My response to that attitude is to basically fault a lot of continental philosophy and critical theory for not incorporating the insights of empirical psychological research sooner. Many people in English seem to feel like once they read Freud (or Lacan) they have a complete and unfuckwithable grasp of the human psyche.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Which is bullshit.
dude you said you wanted real answers not $$$! xxpost
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah kshighway, very old, and I'm not even sure he still remembers me (though I took two classes with him)
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
at least english professors have the decency to be deeply anxious about authenticity
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
harbl secretly I just want to fund my sardine habit
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i know a place called sea world you can get paid in sardines
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
really what do I have to do
at least english professors have the decency to be deeply anxious about authenticity― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, October 12, 2009 3:13 AM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, October 12, 2009 3:13 AM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark
If they only read some Heidegger!
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Reading Derrida without a working knowledge of Heideggerian phenomenology is, at best, an awful idea.
language is a bunch of bullshit anyway, I eagerly await the day where humanity evolves into a big interconnected hive mind so meaning is always clear
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i say, get a nursing degree
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I've thought about it, parents would laugh at me
i think its important to base life decisions on what your parents would think
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link
language is a bunch of bullshit anyway, I eagerly await the day where humanity evolves into a big interconnected hive mind so meaning is always clear― dyao, Monday, October 12, 2009 3:16 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark
― dyao, Monday, October 12, 2009 3:16 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark
But is meaning EVERY REALLY CLEAR dyao?!?!!!
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link
nursing would be cool imo!
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link
my friend is at nursing school and shes been employed the entire time
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link
no kshighway, there's this coin where both sides are worn out you see
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I bet ants never worry about authenticity
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Then they're immoral little fuckers.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i think they are amoral, like lawyers
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao, if your point is to say language is not the center of the universe, then you are 100% OTM and the #1 failing of English departments might be the fact that they continue to propagate that notion for obvious, self-interested, and RONG reasons.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:22 (fourteen years ago) link
my dealings with literature have made me deeply suspicious of anything and everything, which is probably why I don't sleep too well
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link
― kshighway1, Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link