i think they are amoral, like lawyers
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao, if your point is to say language is not the center of the universe, then you are 100% OTM and the #1 failing of English departments might be the fact that they continue to propagate that notion for obvious, self-interested, and RONG reasons.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:22 (fourteen years ago) link
my dealings with literature have made me deeply suspicious of anything and everything, which is probably why I don't sleep too well
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link
― kshighway1, Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link
What, max?
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i think he thinks ur bombastic
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, that was a tad bombastic.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Still, point holds.
you switched pretty fast from using the phrase heideggerian phenomenology to acting like a weird reactionary physics prof
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never read a word of Heidegger but Arendt a movie about him once
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, I just graduated as an English major, so I think I can speak to the failings of English departments, as much as I love mine. And the fact that a lot of theory--postmodern and otherwise--that's flogged in English departments dismisses or ignores empirical research is a failing and saying so does not make me reactionary.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I read an article awhile ago about two philosophy professors in california who were trying to incorporate MRI scans and stuff into philosophy, which sounded pretty cool, although most philosophy departments seemed pretty embarrassed about it
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Teaching Freud as if he alone knew how desire and the human mind worked is reactionary.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_philosophy
you see, that seems like something which can give me real answers (and $$$ for sardines)
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i moderate a little board called ask dr. freud and i think he alone knows everything
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Can he tell dyao how to get money for sardines?
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao go to nursing school
― a perfect urkel (gbx), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I probably will after I burn out of some other graduate program first
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:37 (fourteen years ago) link
― kshighway1, Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:30 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude u r actin like a crazy person with all this talk
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I can say though that I'm well on my way to becoming a creepy high school English teacher
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link
How am I wrong max?
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link
wait 'empirical research' huh
― a perfect urkel (gbx), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Do you think someone like, say, Paul Churchland would take, "But Freud said it!" as a legitimate counterargument to any of his theories?
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:42 (fourteen years ago) link
do you think any english professor would actually say that as a legitimate counterargument to any of his theories??
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link
u are setting up hell of straw men
that's not how any of literary theory works is it? i hope
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link
also empiricism is for nerds and english people so
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link
No, but that wasn't my point. My point is that English professors treat Freud or Lacan as THE authority on everything epistemological. Maybe you had a different experience in college than I did, but as far as I can see it the only "psychology" that's accepted in English classrooms is psychoanalysis.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link
bro
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
stop saying "english professors do this"
No.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
this is why none of you have jobs
― a perfect urkel (gbx), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Hahahahhaahaaaa
where did u get ur degree from, bad faith arguing university?
max, you haven't furnished me with any counterargument here. How did *your* professors treat psychoanalysis?
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:48 (fourteen years ago) link
with varying degrees of agreement and skepticism?
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link
OK, so you had a different experience than I did. I should've qualified what I said.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:50 (fourteen years ago) link
lolololol
― ian, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link
ian, what do you think about Freud?
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
― kshighway1, Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:50 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
duh
― Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 12 October 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
My wife got her BA in English and ended up getting her MA and PhD in Rhetoric and Composition, a field where there are a relatively high number of jobs compared to most english-related ones. Pretty much everyone we know from her school has a tenure track job somewhere and the academic job listings aren't anywhere near as sparse. Downsides include the aforementioned having to move to where the jobs are which kind of blows for me, but alas.
She's in an english department now with large number of lit people compared to the relatively small number of rhet-comp people, and they as a general rule don't really get what she which is seriously frustrating to her. A bunch of faculty were talking to the outgoing grad students about job applications this fall and the lit people were completely dire and depressing about everything, how nobody is going to get a tenure-track job, how you have to start somewhere tiny and work your way up, and how since this isn't Harvard you won't be taken seriously. She was kind of outraged because there are a decent number of rhet comp jobs out there and her department isn't exactly the Harvard equivalent (apparently that might be Purdue) but would probably be in the top ten.
― joygoat, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah I saw Rhetcomp mentioned in a grad school forum as one of the few bright spots in terms of employment...but tbh I have no idea what it is
― dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link
king's highway: I think Freud's ideas on human development and the mind are worth considering in some/many circumstances but i don't believe he's any type of Gold Standard OTM dude or anything.
don't see how that's relevant to the overall hilarity of this conversation.
― ian, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
"conversation"
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link
joygoat, I didn't even know Rhetoric and Composition was a field before reading your post, but that's very interesting! I'm glad there's a field in the humanities that still has job openings.
― kshighway1, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link
i can hook u up with my ex xxxp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link
man that came out wrong
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I just asked for a short definition of Rhetcomp and apparently that's pretty difficult to do. Basically it's a lot of teaching composition, writing, studying arguments and how language is used in day-to-day rather than literature settings, with some degree of crossover into philosophy.
― joygoat, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link
omg this thread
― ^ poll it (Lamp), Monday, 12 October 2009 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link