Spielberg & Kushner's Munich '72 / Israeli vengeance film

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But again, this will be about the aftermath of the massacre.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I quite liked it.

― Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

It's called One Day in September. Who did you think that was propaganda for?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

he should cast lior ashkenazi, a great israeli actor (who just played a guilt-ridden mossad agent in walk on water!!)

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2002-05-02/movie_reviews3-1.jpg

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 1 July 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe Chris Cunningham could make this film.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 1 July 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

spike lee, people.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 1 July 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I stand by Speilberg. I mean Dickens was formulaic and schmaltzy too, but he was still a great writer.

― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 2 July 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

pretty good comparison actually Hurting. dickens couldn't end a novel for shit.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 2 July 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Spielberg sucks really badly. A couple of good films, acres of emotionally manipulative sentimental twaddle.

The real director who should make this film is plainly Michael Winner, with Charles Bronson in the starring role. "You T-heads picked on the wrong country to mess with... now it's payback time"

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked that documentary film. though. If anything, it was too even-handed... I mean, they had the surviving hijacker talking to camera (heavily disguised, natch) but didn't ask him hard questions like how murdering athletes was meant to advance the cause of Palestinian freedom.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Dis shit sounds awsome!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 2 July 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope they cast Tovah Feldshuh as Golda Meir.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 3 July 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

>emotionally manipulative

Lamest of accusations. Film is manipulative by def, and HOW DARE any artist engage the emotions.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

fucking "DUEL" rules. Spielberg should make this film in that vein. Like, the Palestinians are a BIG FUCKING TRUCK ABOUT TO SMASH YOUR TINY RED CAR but NOOOOOO david wins over goliath again!!! woohoo!

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 July 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I heard that Anne Hathaway gets nude in this.

― larry bundgee (bundgee), Sunday, 3 July 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

this could be great.

― N_RQ, Monday, 4 July 2005 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the reason I'm bored by Spielberg movies is that extraordinary cinematography, editing, sound design ARE NOT ENOUGH. First and foremost, I have to care about what's going on on-screen, about the characters, about the themes of the story. If that isn't there, the rest is all just lipstick on a pig.

-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), July 1st, 2005.

yeah but the cinematography, editing, sound, etc -- ie the things specific to cinema -- these are how characters, stories, etc are made. otherwise you're looking for a novel.

― N_RQ, Monday, 4 July 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought One Day In September was a terrific documentary and definately one of the one which inspired the current doco boom (directed by Kevin MacDonald of Touching The Void fame). And I would be interested to Spielberg wrestle with something like this, and try to give it any kind of moral framework at all. The fact that as a high profile US Jewish director is interested in potentially looking at any of the grey areas of athe Arab-Israeli conflict is surely tempting. It will cause a huge hoohah and that is probably a very good thing. This incident was after all the start of the PLO's real international push for legitimacy, and there is a great story here.

Politically it could explode nastily, but then only someone with the kind of studio clout Spielberg has could even GET a film like this made.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really understand why people reckon this film will be controversial. Or at least why pro-Israeli people are having misgivings. I mean, it's not as though Israel's reprisals policy is exactly a secret, and the Munich hostage takers will have done the kind of filmic bad things that makes audiences happy to see them killed.

My real problem with this film is aesthetic... I fear that it will basically be syrupy sentimental version of Kill Bill. In fact I fear this so much that I will now stop reading about it and make sure to stay away from the cinema if it eventually gets made.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 July 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

>if it eventually gets made.

It's begun shooting:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0408306/fullcredits

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

>if it eventually gets made.

read one first post:

LOS ANGELES, June 30 - On Wednesday, Steven Spielberg's apocalyptic thriller "War of the Worlds" invaded movie theaters worldwide. But the director had already moved on. That night in Malta, Mr. Spielberg quietly began filming the most politically charged project he has yet attempted: the tale of a secret Mossad hit squad ordered to assassinate Palestinian terrorists after the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics in Munich.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Lamest of accusations. Film is manipulative by def, and HOW DARE any artist engage the emotions.

OK. well how about mawkishly sentimental? I mean, does a film ostensibly about alien communists coming for our women really have to be about a father bonding with his stupid children? I bet this film will feature a scene in which the executioner guy has marital difficulties and a wife who says "Why are you always off killing t-heads when the kids need a father in their life?".

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

This film is now titled "Munich," and a Russian site has set photos:

http://www.filmz.ru/pub/8/5250_1.htm

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder what this shot is for:

http://www.filmz.ru/mshot/5250/6.jpg

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.munichmovie.com/munich_trlr1_300k.mov

― lol xbox is hueg (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 6 November 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate it when previews make movies look more interesting and exciting than I know they will be (or than they have any right to be.) Great looking cast (although the lady playing Meir is ridiculous looking--is that Spielberg himself in heavy makeup?) GrHmmph.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

alex otm! that was a great trailer

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 6 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

This movie looks great. International intrigue, moral ambiguity, action, great locales, great wardrobe - what's there not to like?

― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 6 November 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

ciaran hinds! this looks pretty good, and i'm actually looking forward to the ahem "national conversation" to follow, against my better judgement

― geoff (gcannon), Sunday, 6 November 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It looks fantastic, but will this be another SPR? The appearance of being a hard-hitting, morally-complicated adult movie that turns into a jingoistic afternoon serial?

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Sunday, 6 November 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh christ, why did they have to cast Eric Bana? Now I'm going to be forced to go see this movie (nb: against my will, not in the sarcastic "I have to see all of so and so's movies" sense)

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Sunday, 6 November 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Looks good, I think!

― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 6 November 2005 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah -- "Amistad" was a real jingoistic afternoon serial.

Could be Eric Bana's first good film since "Chopper"?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Great trailer. Will it be called "Munich" in Germany?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 7 November 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

spielberg seems to be keeping to his patented "release a sci-fi blockbuster in the summer, then put out the 'serious, legitimate' oscar-bait movie during the holiday season" scheme.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

hes been sticking to this pretty much without fail since the one-two punch of jurassic park and schindler's list.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"Yeah -- "Amistad" was a real jingoistic afternoon serial."

Amistad was garbage. Fuck movies where Matthew McCannaughy plays the conquering white hero.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I kinda thought Djimon Hounsou was the hero.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck movies where Matthew McCannaughy plays anything, is what you meant to say.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"I kinda thought Djimon Hounsou was the hero."

Dream on.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't see Hounsou or Wooderson in Saving Private Ryan, oddly enough. Maybe I missed them.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Really, how many of you are Spike Lee?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you Kate Capshaw?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw the full trailer the day before yesterday. Do I reaally need to see the movie?

― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw the full trailer the day before yesterday. Do I really need to see the movie?

― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Djimon Honsou wasn't the hero of "Amistad", he was the plot device.

I was really affected by the movie, particularly the retelling of the voyage over to America, but Matthew McNakedbongo was rather blatantly the hero; saying otherwise is madness.

― Dan (Let's Not Even Talk About Morgan Freeman) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan is OTM. One of my biggest problems with the movie was that Honsou was more of a plot device IMO and could've been utilized better, but I think that about virtually every single movie he's been in (note: I've liked every single movie he's been in that I've seen, including Amistad which is one of Spielberg's better efforts).

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, character whose actions and decisions propel the narrative, funcutions as its moral center and whose fate is disclosed last is not the hero. *RRRRRRRRIP*

I cannot sing "Anything Goes" in Mandarin.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Was that the sound of your pants splitting or just brain overloading from realizing that 2 of those 3 examples DESCRIBE McDorkass!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Hounsou was used well in In America

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

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