Worst Third Film in a Series

all you that voted Terminator 3 are excommunicated from this poll

Abbott is generating overwhelming evidence for D3

terminator 3 was shit!

Terminator 3 was solid. at least it had the balls to end the world, unlike the copout that was Terminator 2 (not that I didn't enjoy it)

it was shit and terminator 4 will be EVEN SHITTERER

It was complete crap. Alien Vs. Predator was better.

i disagree. Terminator might be the tightest trilogy going all in all.

describing anything with such a nonsensical plot as the Terminator series as "tight" is.... a stretch

i said 'tightest'. this is relative.

Terminator 4 will rule. Non-tightly.

ok ok LOTR is better

i like Alien3.

I liked Exorcist III too, when it came out. We paid to see PUmp up the Volume and snuck into Exorcist III afterward, and it was the more entertaining of the two.

DHWAV is even better than the first one.

Alien vs. Predator=for people who buy New Found Glory cds

No idea who that is, but T3 was boring. Arnold hasn't made a good movie since Commando.

Commando fucking blew. even when I was trying to enjoy it for its ridiculousness

I'm joking about Commando (Arnold was good in Terminator and basically nothing else), but T3 still sucked.

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Oh WTF!

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OK, what the fuck is wrong with you people who don't like Commando. It's got DAN FUCKING HEDAYA as a Latin American heavy fer crissakes. It's got little hairy-armed Alyssa Milano, it's got "Remember when I said I'd kill you last? I lied," and it's got Arnie shoving a pipe through a guy.

but he's called John Matrix. the best bit is when he breaks dude's neck and then gets off the plane as it takes off.

let off some steam bennett

Arnie's best line is in Red Heat: "He lives here."

Doesn't really work out of context.

Neverending Story III...dammit, shouldn't have left that one off...

now, who's going to start the spinoff thread about worst sequels?

but he's called John Matrix. the best bit is when he breaks dude's neck and then gets off the plane as it takes off.

"My friend is dead tired."

voted other because you didn't include the third Highlander movie. i once paid to rent that on VHS and it was so shitty that it got turned off after 15 minutes and was returned unwatched (so, yeah, i'm assuming that it didn't get any better)

the one-liners in Commando are transcendent. that movie is amazing in every way.

Die Hard With A Vengeance is the best in the whole series!! wtf.

Most of these benefit from being the 3rd film in a series of ridiculous, low-expectations-generating movies. If the 3rd Matrix movie was anywhere as good as the promise of the 1st it would've been incredible instead of poop drippings.

Best part of Commando: When John Matrix and the girl need armaments for their suicide mission, so they break into a sporting goods store, which just happens to stock an arsenal of grenades, automatic rifles & rocket launchers.

Also, RE: "Remember when I said I'd kill you last? I lied." - "What happened to Sully?" "I had to let him go."

Fact: The script for the original Die Hard was originally intended as a Commando sequel.

is that true or is it an urban legend? reason I ask is that Die Hard's plot came from a book titled Nothing Lasts Forever.

BJO, I'm pretty sure it's true. The book was probably adapted as a Commando sequel at first. I will try to find information to verify this.

was just curious. I mean, it was a loose adaptation after all (character's names were changed and a lot of other stuff too, from what I heard...)

rong

The movie is based on a 1979 novel by Roderick Thorp titled Nothing Lasts Forever, itself a sequel to the book The Detective, which was previously made into a 1968 movie starring Frank Sinatra.

(I knew this already but just c/p'd)

didn't I just say the movie was based on that book?

From IMDB

John McTiernan was originally going to make Commando 2, but Arnold Schwarzenegger turned the role offer down. Commando 2 was transformed into Die Hard (1988) and Schwarzenegger was the first actor offered the title role, but he again declined. Eventually Bruce Willis would get the part after Sylvester Stallone, Burt Reynolds, and Richard Gere were all offered the role.

I found that earlier...the only thing that bothers me about it is I did a yahoo search containing the words "Commando" and "Die Hard" and only found that IMDB article and some other fringe fansite's info.

plus no mention of the novel...hmm. the MYSTERY REMAINS!

T3 for me. I'm a hater.

I mean, it was a loose adaptation after all (character's names were changed and a lot of other stuff too, from what I heard...)

I've actually read Nothing Lasts Forever, and very little about it was changed, with the major exceptions of:

-- The milieu is very 70s rather than very 80s
-- Joe Leland (the character's name in Thorp's novels) is going from NY to LA to visit his daughter, rather than his wife, from whom he is long divorced
-- IIRC the TV reporter subplot doesn't exist
-- The overall goal of the terrorists/thieves is slightly different, much less for personal gain than for some kind of "down with the system" anticapitalist deal
-- Someone significant who doesn't die in the movie dies in the book

Other than that, nearly every single significant action beat and plot point that appeared in the movie is in the book, from "fists with your toes" to the plastique down the elevator shaft.

I'll go with Matrix, although I hated the second one just as much. This should just have been one film, perhaps a sequel a lot later on than it was.

Tr3n released in 3001 will be the awes!

Richard Gere as John McLean!!! The wincing!

Also, people who think T3 was worse than AVP are heavily broken.

Die Hard With A Vengeance is the best in the whole series!! wtf.

-- nickalicious, Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:38 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Do you also eat dinner first thing in the morning and put your shoes on your head and your hat on your feet?

haha, it is pretty good though.

some contenders I have to dismiss...

exorcist iii: exorcist ii is one of the worst sequels ever, perhaps one of the worst movies ever.

godfather iii: I really like this movie. granted it's not up to the standard of the first two but that bar is pretty effin high.

alien3: not a great movie but fincher made some interesting choices and was majorly hassled by the studio as a reward, so he gets a pass.

return of the jedi: princess leia in a bikini forgives a host of sins.

jaws 3-D: it's in 3-D you fules! at least they tried. I actually saw this in the theaters.

I've managed to miss the majority of the remaining excrement on the list, so I have to reserve my reward for the one that broek hart: mad max beyond thunderdome.

14 year old me exited the theater that sunny summer day much further down the path of being the bitter and broken specimen you see before you now. in retrospect it's not a bad movie, but it dismisses the harsh vibes of the first two films for very little reward. judged by villain alone the progression from the toecutter -> lord humungus -> tina turner in chainmail is a pretty sharp dropoff.

Surprised at the lack of Superman 3 hate on here...

I watched Alien3 again recently and while it's definitely my least favorite of the series it's still got a few genuinely memorable moments. There's just too much lingering on the wrong things and not enough development of the potentially interesting parts. Whatever else was going wrong in the production of this thing, Sigourney Weaver is the driving engine of the series and she doesn't let down here.

Back to the Future 3 is just dopey - if you accept the premise it's fine I guess, but after the sweet high-concept comedy of #1 and all the timeline-altering hijinks of #2 it just has so much less going on. Whose idea was it that the entire thing would be in the Wild West? I admit that it beats some Quantum Leap thing where they do a cowboy part, a pirate part, etc...but it's still corny.

Die Hard With A Vengeance is a blast. It's too damn long and episodic - they clearly hadn't worked out how to end the thing - but it's got too many classic Die Hard lines to be discounted. OK, it was a weird move for the series to become a chase all around town instead of a confined-space thing, but there are other ways in which it fits into the lineage - mainly the great fake-out by the bad guy. And possibly my favorite line ever by John McClane, over a truck CB: Attention! Attention! Nils is dead! I repeat, Nils is dead, fuck-head!

No, this is Matrix: Revolutions's poll to lose. A trudging CG fest with all the detail, complexity, and drama of a video game FMV from 1998, it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen, let alone worst third movie in a series.

Die Hard With A Vengeance is the best in the whole series!! wtf.

-- nickalicious

Do you also eat dinner first thing in the morning and put your shoes on your head and your hat on your feet?

-- antexit

YA SRSLY. I mean, I dig on bad/campy movies as much as anyone, and enjoy movies that freely switch between bad-ass and stupid (Delta Force comes to mind). But DHWAV didn't work for me on that basis either -- I just sat there astonished at what a complete turd it became, after a sort-of promising 20 minutes.

Haven't seen Die Hard II, though, so I'm not evaluating it within the series, just as a shitty movie in its own right.

xpost the one-liners did nothing for me, and I wasn't having enough fun to want to believe in the fake-out

Superman III has one plus: Chris Reeves never looked hotter than in the scene where he flicks peanuts at booze bottles.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

this belongs to matrix revolutions

wachowskis deserve every inch of hate that can possibly be bestowed on to them.

what was the third Aladdin called...