Come to think of it, someone needs to get to work animating that, STAT.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
okay that is awful
― TGAAPQ (Mr. Que), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
omg laurel that's amazing
― bear say hi to me (ENBB), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
They're all really really terrible. And yet somehow for sale? Srsly considering contacting the "artist" about taking them down.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
omg
That is... omg
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I would embrace it and find out if you can get that shit on velvet ASAP tbh.
― bear say hi to me (ENBB), Monday, 2 November 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean it's kind of like "CAFEPRESS/ZAZZLE, HERE I COME" isn't it
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm afraid to ask what "Zazzle" is.
Robin Goodfellow and the Gay-Face Realm
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
sheesh
― Nanobots: HOOSTEEND (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 2 November 2009 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link
if you dont know what lil wayne looks like you proab;ly didt do anything fun on halloween anyway - no harm no foul
― k3vin k., Monday, 2 November 2009 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.zazzle.com/cr/design/pt-shirt?pd=235969346367166600&get_started_dialog=false&side_front=horz&style=infant_tshirt&color=white&size=18mo&context=lindsey&view=front
also screaming lolz at "Wise Women of the Woods"
― (oh PORRIDGE) (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
So this Robin Goodfellow obtained some photgraphs of you and used it in his work? He's sort of a Shepard Faerie.
― nickn, Monday, 2 November 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
still lolling btw
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm going to shepherd him right off a magical cliff. Is that legal? Does appearing in public open you up to having your image used for commercial purposes?
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it depends on whether you signed any waivers on claims to your image as part of appearing at the event and whether this guy was taking pictures in an official capacity for the event at it.
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Def didn't approve anything or sign anything. We got paid for our appearance but there was nothing about photographs, and that guy is making $$ off the pics for himself, not for the organization or the event.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link
So you can force him to take them down and also assert a legal right to a percentage of what he's made so far off of them if I understand copyright law correctly.
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
That'll be 25% of ZERO, then, eh?
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
(actually the public appearance part may negate your ability to extort money out of him; I'm really not sure how that all works out because I'm not a lawyer)
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
not sure how it applies to 'art' lol but i'm pretty sure i can go take your picture anytime i want and sell it to a newspaper and i don't owe you shit
― how rad bandit (gbx), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
like if you are at a public event or something
hey so this was my first Halloween in NYC where I did not see anyone dressed in blackface
I saw like a dozen people dressed as T-Pain but all them turned out to be actually black
I walked behind five guys with giant afros and turned around when I passed them, expecting bad news, but they just had on aviator sunglasses and fake mustaches and were being 70s
hooray for NYC downtown Halloween revelers 09 for not doing blackface in my vicinity and also for significantly lowering the percentage of store-bought costumes from the back room of Ricky's that spend the rest of the year being intended for sex games
(btw I'm generally with Dan about recognizable-person vs. blackface but that Wayne cheerleader did look a lot like the kind of thing where if you were in a room with it it would get bad, especially depending on whether/how she acted out the costume)
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
GROAN @ nickn
― goole, Monday, 2 November 2009 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
depending on whether/how she acted out the costume)
this is the thing, yeah.
― how rad bandit (gbx), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah well that kind of gets into my thing of "Lil Wayne does not behave in a manner that anyone should actually emulate" thing, "60 Minutes" interviews aside
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
actually maybe the main aspect that makes me skeptical is that it would be really easy to be Lil Wayne without doing anything about skin color -- I mean it's Lil Wayne, there are like 50 billion identifying characteristics about the dude's head that supersede "he is black" ... it's not like if you dressed up as a white Lil Wayne people would be all "wait, who are you supposed to be, the guy from Jesus Jones?" that's possibly the bit that makes me wonder.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah I kind of totally disagree with that, actually; you would get as many guesses for "thugged-out Parappa" as you would Lil Wayne if you remove skin color from the equation
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Laurel, this is kinda interesting, although I suspect most of it is bullshit: http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2006/05/4506_you_belong.html
― caek, Monday, 2 November 2009 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Parappa & Jesus Jones...
― we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
well that's next year's costume sorted: whiteface parappa
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
actually I think the best easy costume I saw this year was a woman of medium skin tone who'd just put on big shorts and painted Mike Tyson's face tattoo around her eye
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Monday, 2 November 2009 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I would vote for that costume too because based on your description, she was topless
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
also I GISed Weezy to get a picture of him to contrast with Parappa and found the one of him kissing someone who looks like Cee-Lo on the lips
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Monday, 2 November 2009 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I was chatting to a bunch of people who are going to a thing I'm djing in a couple of weeks, which is 80s fancy dress. One of them was going as michael jackson (unimaginative, yes) and was planning on wearing blackface 'because it's funnier'. Now, leaving aside the sense that of all people jackson requires no blackface, I told him if he did I wouldn't let him in. It was, of course, pointed out that as a dj I couldn't stop people coming in blackface. But I'll find some way of punishing them.
And I think the point isn't Jolson vs Lil Wayne, but that people feel they can't dress up as a black celebrity without without painting their face. They still insist that the defining characteristic of the person is their blackness, not their talent etc.
― dowd, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link
To be fair, to dress up like someone generally involves treating their appearance as their defining characteristic, rather than acquiring the same talents as them.
― caek, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, sure, but hen one aspect of dressing up as them has a history which is less than noble, perhaps it's best just to leave that aspect out.
― dowd, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
totally.
― caek, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
it's sort of a ratio thing, really, like how much your costume involves dressing up like the person and how much it's just "hahaha look I have painted myself like a black person, which is inherently hilarious"
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link
basically dan's posts are otm x 1000000
― caek, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
(also the ratio of "I have actually tried to create a subtle, realistic reflection of this person's skin tone" versus "hahaha black shoe polish gettit I'm black")
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
can i just: http://www.zeit.de/2009/43/Wallraff-43
― caek, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link
video is amazing, especially the last ten seconds
germany is so weird
― caek, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Although they tend to get what they deserve - burnt cork or black shoe polish hurts like hell, as Groucho Marx costumes have proved for generations.
― dowd, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link
xposts
― dowd, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Incidentally Billie Holliday was made to darken her face with burnt cork, for fear that the audience might think she was a white woman singing with a black band. Caused her all kinds off skin problems, spots etc. It's an intersting example of a person who would have been considered black by her society having to use blackface to impersonate their stereotypes of herself.
― dowd, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:51 (fourteen years ago) link
German reporters are idiots. Same dude also spent some time made up as "Ali the Turk" for some IMPORTANT SENSITIVE reporting. No mention of "Black like Me", of course.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link
of all people jackson requires no blackface
My friend (who is black btw) and her white husband both dressed as MJ this year. She was 70s, Jackson 5-style and her husband was later-model MJ. Last Halloween they dressed as Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama.
― kate78, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, I meant that he has so many cultural signifiers that makeup doesn't come into it. You could probably be recognizably Jackson with a glittery glove.
― dowd, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.noahsow.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/journal_partykiss.jpg
http://www.noahsow.de/blog/?p=1743
― Moon Unit Zeppo (Oh my, how original), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link