The hipster ethos, as promulgated in Vice Magazine, is indistinguishable from Ayn Rand's Objectivism

Is there some conspiracy theory angle to it? Are Vice writers supposed to be fully paid up members of the Rand Institute? Or is it just an accidental symmetry along the lines of 'Objectivists believe in laissez faire capitalism, and so do magazine publishers' or 'Objectivists are atheists and so are many hipsters who read Vice'?

This is a good question.

i don't know if the person can either, but i would like to slightly alter my previous statement and say that there is perhaps only a 'fair-size' market in making dummies feel smart. let's not go overboard.

So funny I actually signed up.

ayn rand was serious, at least--vice seems to be good at not revealing which aspects of its worldview are supposed to be taken seriously (and how seriously), which keeps them a step ahead of their audience in the most calculated and tiresome way.

not that i'm defending rand, who was a shit and whose philosophy is useless save for some catchy rush lyrics.

I find rather troubling the notion that any sort of public narrative (a film, a magazine, a song) has to 'reveal which aspects of its worldview are supposed to be taken seriously (and how seriously)'. Do readers really have to be spoonfed with some syrupy music to know when to cry? Do you have to add a laugh track to tell people that it's okay to laugh? It seems to me that Vice is a nice implementation of ye olde Unreliable Narrator, a device I like a lot because it encourages people to be distanced, critical and, y'know, work out how they feel they should feel, think they should think, take seriously what they want to take seriously, etc.

have fun, now!!

(i googled for a pic of her in her excellent dollar-$ign$ cape but couldn't find one)

Does this mean you've finished your book?

Preparing to answer this question I watched a streaming video Introduction to Objectivism which was quite useful. I can find some common ground with Objectivism (for instance, the anti-metaphysical, atheistic stuff, the Aristotelian side) but find parts of it absurd (the stuff about things existing objectively, the anti-statism, the reactionary aesthetics).

vice is FREE and looks good next to my TOILET.

The current issue, on the theme of JOBS, is appropriate, then. You will no doubt enjoy reading about The Shit Disturber whose job is to clean old ladies' asses while sitting on the loo.

I find it really pretty pathetic that people are still hating on Vice, and still starting threads about how it incarnates some sort of toxic and venial 'small difference too far'. I can only assume it's because most ILXors are 'semi-hipsters' and hate to be reminded of the fact.

that's really kind of summed it up... READ THIS IT'S REALLY SHOCKING!!!

THAT'S what i find pathetic about vice. it's the print version of those loud, obnoxious, namedroppy "tastemakers" any sensible person either tries to avoid in social situations or actively seeks out in order to start fights, depending on their mood.

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http://www.i-dmagazine.com/i_collect/i_collect.php?id=242

Vomit!

soooooooooooo fucking obvious.

yet you read both of them anyway.

case-in-point

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v11n3/htdocs/i_love.php

is vice the new nme? i can't believe momus is still going on about vice. that's not very cutting edge.

eg It's so 1982 > it's so 1798 > it's so 1813 etc

(also years to come shd be included)

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it is embarrassing to be seen reading vice because of that!

I have never read vice magazine, in fact, up here in teh n0rth3rn w4st3, I have never even seen a copy! The amount of heat these discussions generate just seems kind of weird.

heat is cooler than vice!

BTW, they haven't sent me any coke yet.

vice is more vicious than morality!!

But it reads like the National Lampoon ca. 1979!

According to the Cassandra Report (a trend-spotting “cool hunter” that charges corporations tens of thousands of dollars to tell them what’s hip), our magazine is the number one read for women aged 19-24 and for men aged 25-30.

I mean, what horseshit. The "number one read' for the Cassandra Report's friends and co-workers, maybe. But I guess corporations that pay the Cassandra Report tens of thousands of dollars deserve whatever they get.

why, M.! If I didn't know you better I'd say you were becoming downright American

(JUST TEASING JUST TEASING ALL IN GOOD FUN LOVE YOU SO MUCH ILX IS FOR THE CHILDREN ETC)

Rand is Comic Book Nietzsche.

I used to read 2600 - -- - - SHOCKA!

Remember Nynex?

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God, I can't believe I was into 2600 so long ago.... ~1994-1998 I read it I think.

OMG

Jay, I'm afraid I'm going to have to puncture that theory. I more or less wrote Issue 10 of Bunnyhop myself, the Fake issue:

The fact is that there is a statistically signficant positive correlation between these zines being good and my being in them. (Certainly in my own mind.) I am also in Suicide Girls magazine, should Vice fail.

Two of my own early zines.

http://www.nodata.org/honey/sinister/picnics/ATP-Caleb-4.jpg

I also have an original copy of 'The Little Red Songbook,' the one that Momus had to withdraw when Wendy Carlos threatened to sue him. Coincidence?

It is awfully sweet that Momus will spend so much time defending his pals. I'd advise him to jump off that sinking ship, though.

fuck yeah. fuck the poor

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/ayn-rand-ideal-published-july-27364158

atlas is shrugging again, baby!

This exists.
Love the humanization of assholes like this by mainstream media and it's fun to imagine how this sort of blatant stupidity would've landed throughout history: "Nazi Leader: How He Went From Bold Hipster Mustache Choices to Genocide" ⁦@adamjohnsonNYC⁩ pic.twitter.com/rqge9f84xr

— Kyle Inabinette (@KyleInabinette) October 17, 2018

notice how NYT presents "Brooklyn hipster" as something inherently contradictory to racist and rightwing. Did any of these people actually read early VICE? https://t.co/CRuizqZ4Vp

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018

a true shock pic.twitter.com/q5Zyy3cCIF

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018