i can understand the comparisons between there will be blood and no country, but i don't get exactly where zodiac ties into the equation. is the uniting thought that they are longish, auteurish pictures by established directors, primarily about crime in america?
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked no country but i like it less & less the more i think about it
― and what, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
while i loved zodiac and love it more & more every day
^^^^^^ >>>>>>>> (>>>>>>>) ?
― dmr, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
i like all three of them more and more with every lovely day.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
but with no country... im not that concerned with figuring out what it means, or what the moral is... i think the meaning is kinda beyond that
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Cassandra’s Dream isn’t prophecy, it’s decadence.
wtf does this even mean
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
agreed, slocks.
the thing i liked the least about zodiac (the uselessness of the rdj character) seems less and less offensive to me every day.
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
twbb >>>> zodiac (which i liked a lot) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no country for old men (which is doomed to mediocrity by coens' unimaginative fidelity to mediocre source material)
-- tipsy mothra, Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:55 PM
u mad doggie
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
so mad
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i just love that the characters never meet and you barely even notice that.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
man he really stuck it to dargis and scott there!!
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
The Wind That Shakes The Barley was just okay, but I'll definitely take it over No Country and (most especially) Zodiac.
― milo z, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean i really liked wind shakes but i cant say i loved it. maybe i just cant fully commit to any kind of art that has no sense of humour whatsoever.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Imagine a world where every ILE film thread turns into a debate about the relative merits of Bamako, Offside and Away from Her.
I've only read NCfOM, but it didn't impress me as being solely about fate. I have no problem with genre pieces where people do stupid shit, especially in Texas.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
you should see it morbz. and on the big screen.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
offside rules though but you know that.
no country is ok, competently handled, i didn't hate it. but it's the 5th-best mccarthy book i've read and the, what, 4th- or 5th-best coen film i can think of. its acclaim really does mystify me, but so do lots of things.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
(coen movies i like better: fargo, blood simple, raising arizona, the ladykillers) (ok kidding about the ladykillers. but not kidding about the big lebowski.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i just cant fully commit to any kind of art that has no sense of humour whatsoever.
-- s1ocki, Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:24 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
otm
― gbx, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
THE LADYKILLERS?!?!?
You are mad.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
xp: yeah, Cillian Murphy shoulda been braying about milkshakes just before he was executed. Instant hype and Oscar noms to follow.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
(ladykillers was a joke)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
you know that's not what i mean.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
wind shakes was so... "DO YOU SEE? GET IT?? IRAQ MUCH??"
spoilers, yo
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
"wind shakes was so... "DO YOU SEE? GET IT?? IRAQ MUCH??""
I neither saw or cared much about that parallel.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
at the end when it cuts straight to black and the "IRAQ MUCH?" title card comes up... chills.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
anyway like i said i did like it a lot... but loved it? think it was GREAT? not really.
ha, s1ocki, if that's your biggest objection to Barley -- it was Armond's too!!
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
NCFOM is better than Fargo. Fargo's too clever clever by a half.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! xp
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
i think no country probably their best.
Brother-on-brother stories are as old as civil wars, I didn't really see Iraq at all.
My problem with Barley is that it wasn't humorless so much as emotionless.
― milo z, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
ncfom isn't half-clever enough.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
I admit I've only begun to think that in the past 10 years. When I saw it initially I thought it was brilliant so I may end up feeling like that about NCFOM in 2020.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
fargo sucks.
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
"ncfom isn't half-clever enough."
It doesn't need to be.
boring and annoying. i used to kinda like it, too.
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
xp Haven't seen anything I loved or thought was great from '07 yet. Or '06 (Inland Empire closest).
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
what does that even mean (re: clever/half-clever/whatever)
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
i have no idea.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
but among the things i think no country is not enough: clever, interesting, imaginative, smart. funny. scary. sad.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
(which are all things i think twbb and zodiac have plenty of.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Zodiac is a good big-budget cop show (Armond thinks the voices of the men inhabiting it are too high).
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
no it's something more than that. you're not going to get away with dismissing a movie for its genre on this board, mister.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
ok now i agree with slocki.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- omar little, Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:09 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
insane
― and what, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
fargo sucks
― gabbneb, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link
xp
I'm not ... I just didn't find Zodiac an all-too-original example of that genre, the way its fans do.
Fargo is a smug funny-accent travesty.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link