more like special *googles* imo
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
that too
― SMH (ice cr?m), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
from sharper image i bet
― luol deng (am0n), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
i used to just hang around in that store til they made me leave
― SMH (ice cr?m), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
me and my pals brandon and doug
― SMH (ice cr?m), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
does anyone understand the promise and peril of dv better than mann - no one does - think abt it
― SMH (ice cr?m), Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:36 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not sure he really understands the peril tbh
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
but ya i know what u mean about those moments in PE that were just... holy shit. for some reason the guy hanging out the car at the beginning... stayed with me more than anything else in the movie.
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link
the scene when hes paraded in front of reporters at the airport looked so real or something
― SMH (ice cr?m), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
wonder if HD makes period costume design harder? like if the picture is super crisp it'll pick up the fact that costumes are costumes and not clothes that ppl have been living in?
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link
def makes makeup/bad skin more challenging
― SMH (ice cr?m), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link
oh totally, hadn't considered that
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
i didn't write that article no. it's starting to get a cult around it though this film. check the imdb for more 'omg this movie is soo under rated wtf' type geek talk.i use geek in a non aggresive way there. seems to be one of those watch-it-many-times-over type movies for people too.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Kevin B. Lee hosted roundtable discussion
Keith Uhlich
Ryland Walker Knight
― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't want to see public enemies again, but I remember finding one or two of the big impact dramatic aria scenes way powerful mostly because of clarifying, unflattering video look. was a wreck by the end.
― caek, Thursday, 19 November 2009 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
that article about MV was staggeringly bad by the way. felt like there was a solid 75 words in there though.
Didn't care for the night shootout in Public Enemies, the noisy digital look seemed terribly out of place in a period film.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Thursday, 19 November 2009 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link
This was big problem for me with Public Enemies. So much of the clothing looked like costume, and things like matchboxes really looked like props.
Was also put off by the look in shootouts; was like a behind-the-scenes docu.
― stet, Thursday, 19 November 2009 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i thought it was sort of "mann-ish" in a slightly depressing way. the way that "face/off" was woo-ish. kind of an interesting movie in some respects, though i was bored for a lot of it.― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:06 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark
just watched this cause of the poll thread - this was otm I thought
― 99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
thankfully I watched this on my laptop and surfed the web during the gong lzzzzzzzz parts
― 99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^no way to experience this phenomenal film
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
considering a suggest-ban
― pro bono publico (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
;]
― 99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
going to watch it again to restore the balance of the universe
― caek, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah yeah the film is gorgeous and all, real shame I didn't catch it in the theater when it came out etc. etc. but still am glad I wasn't made to sit through 40 minutes of colin farrell drinking mojitos
I guess plotwise the movie hinges on the sincerity of the gong li relationship thing, which wasn't really a very believable subplot in the first place. you don't make it more believable by devoting more screentime to it, in fact you expose it even more. hi let me show you a picture of my dead mother
― 99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
lots of great subtleties in that dead mother scene
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
As featured in Slant's Top 20 of the decade http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/feature/best-of-the-aughts-film/216/page_9andTime Out's Top 50 http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/film/80947/the-tony-top-50-movies-of-the-decade/3.html
From the Slant piece:A freestyle meditation on identity and self-perception, Miami Vice finds a perfect union of form and content via ravishingly rendered digital cinema, flattening the world into an expressionistic vista of interconnected tides and currents of bodies in space, subtextually loaded with ultra-gritty genre juice to spare. Michael Mann's recurring themes of freedom and the nature of will reach the metaphysical realm as the film scrutinizes the performance art inherent in undercover life, the metaphorical meaning we assign to our lives made literal. It's pulp and opera, an off-the-cuff balancing act, a liquid cinema statement from the moment Mann sends his everyman surrogate across the ocean he's for so long merely gazed upon. Like Moby's awesomely cued "One of These Mornings," it's a forever-remembered bliss.-
Even i'm surprised by what now seems to be happening with this film.
― piscesx, Sunday, 20 June 2010 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
It's a great film.
― groovemaaan, Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link
total bullshit that the theatrical cut isn't available on Blu-Ray
― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Needs to start with the Jay-Z.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link
groovemaaan otm. keep the slant bs out of the picture. "it's a forever-remembered bliss"??
― thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Sunday, 20 June 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link
it is indeed a great film. i *like* that Slant piece! it's hillariously ott.
― piscesx, Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i think the acting style and dialogue is vastly secondary to how the film was shot, scored, edited, and framed. not a criticism, i just think that mann was trying to make an entire picture of nothing but "michael mann moments" (and trying to get some kind of emotion from what some folks might find to be a cold style and story) and he succeeded. it's like 'gaucho' or something.― jØrdån (omar little), Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:19 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
― jØrdån (omar little), Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:19 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
otm tho im not sure how much it succeeded
just watched the director's cut for the first time - last time i peeped this was when it was in theaters - feel about the same now as i did then, which is that it's pretty cool but not great. feel like Heat and Mohicans are mann's only unambiguously great movies, and everything else is a mixed bag. which isn't really a criticism, because i love some of those mixed bags and revisit many of them! but its just that early in the 00s i kept waiting for his next masterpiece and never got it, and i think i know now that i should just expect 'next lumpen weird movie with lots of awesome little moments.'
some of my favorite mann moments in this:
interior of car being torn apart by anti-materiel rifle
the part before the climax where crockett & tubbs fistbump exactly when the drums of nu-metal in the air tonight kick in
scene where luis tosar is shown the security footage of crockett dancing just a little too erotically with gong li and the camera lingers on the back of his head the entire time
the raid on the trailer park was the only sequence that had any dramatic heft, to me. really would've liked to have seen the movie mann 'wanted' to make, with the climax taking place in the triple frontier. it also struck me that jamie foxx killing yero at the end = russell means killing magua at end of mohicans. in both cases it was like a concession that, yeah, the white lead was lame and the nonwhite sidekick's conflict was much more dramatically satisfying.
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 January 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i couldnt actually figure out what was changed for the director's cut, aside from getting rid of the cold opening (which is like the worst possible change they could've made)
gong li did all her dialogue phonetically!
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 January 2011 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember certain scenes were extended and a little more sense was made of the plot, but getting rid of the cold open was such a terrible idea I never went back to watch that version again.
― Gukbe, Monday, 31 January 2011 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
im a fiend for mojitos~~~
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 January 2011 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c3UeHTjxls
― maybe i'm just gay (Tape Store), Monday, 31 January 2011 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link
scene where luis tosar is shown the security footage of crockett dancing just a little too erotically with gong li and the camera lingers on the back of his head the entire time― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 January 2011 06:16 (23 minutes ago)
my favorite moment in any Mann movie.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 31 January 2011 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link
even though getting rid of the cold open was a horrible decision, I like the movie a lot more the second time around.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 31 January 2011 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Main (only?) added scene is where Tubbs calls Trudie as soon as he gets his signal back after meeting Montoya. She says she's fine and thanks him for the flowers. Then they sit in a diner and talk about whether their fake identities can be cracked.
Cold opening was a last-minute choice (if I remember a Wall Street Journal article in 2006 correctly) because the studio needed 10 mins shaved off. Maybe that explains cutting the other scene as well.
I love the scene in the airplane hangar before the final raid, when we see all the props of deception around them -- the boat, etc.
― An Artily Shot Sesame Street (Eazy), Monday, 31 January 2011 06:49 (thirteen years ago) link
still love the contrast between Eddie Marsan's "It could come back on me, baby!" guy and Crockett's existential yearning out that window into the scene where the sound drops out.
― Gukbe, Monday, 31 January 2011 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― An Artily Shot Sesame Street (Eazy), Monday, January 31, 2011 1:49 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah that diner scene was the main one where i was like 'this had to have been added' - i was a little fuzzy on some of the gong li stuff at the very end too, but maybe i just cared so little about that storyline that i didnt bother to remember how it ended
and yeah, dig the hanger scene. really like the exchange between crockett and tubbs there. mann really knows how to make u feel like ur 'in a moment' as its happening, and u really feel like ur in a hanger in miami in that scene.
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 January 2011 07:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I bought this on dvd because I heard that they were discontinuing the non-director's cut version! Gotta have that cold opening.
― w/no hesitation (mh), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Still love this movie.
mh - glad I'm not the only one! I love the movie opening in the club, I don't get wthy in the Director's version they had to have some really stupid intro on the beach.
― pf smangs (San Te), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
also a local actor I know is in this movie -- the assistant to the main White Supremacist guy, who claims the stuff is pure 'unlike thes tuff they sell in Nuyorico', and gets shot at the end....Steph@n Jon3s -- does a lot of local theatre here.
when it was released he said he wasn't even sure he'd be in the final cut and he's in like 10 minutes of the movie and his name appears in big letters at the end. jealous of this dude.
― pf smangs (San Te), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i love that the movie takes you through all of the complexities of undercover work, and the psyche of what it takes to be good at it.
I mean...I loved the Miami Vice show, but dunno that I"d have enjoyed it if Mann had done 2 hours of the way he did the television show, I'm glad he went the more gritty route with it (which is why many MV fanboys hated it, to be sure).
― pf smangs (San Te), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Justin Theroux must have had the opposite experience -- assuming he was a major character with a lot of scenes, but ended up in the background.
― An Artily Shot Sesame Street (Eazy), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i started watching the tv series 'in earnest' when this was in the cinema and never got to season 2. apparently it does improve, but kind of doubt it was ever great.
― history mayne, Monday, 31 January 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think that this and Public Enemies could have been really great HBO miniseries.
― An Artily Shot Sesame Street (Eazy), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
A marked difference exists between the first two seasons! The first is your average crumb bum eighties P.I. drama with occasionally cool music (and Don Johnson smokes throughout); the second is when the P.I. drama gets delirious pans, long takes, and every shade of pastel, with cool music played often.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
'public enemies' was once set up to be an hbo mini. it could have been sweet; it could have been nicely art-directed crap (like 'boardwalk empire'). but done right, with all the other crooks in it, it would be amazing. the book is fearfully boring, but the story isn't.
xp
huh -- ok, might rent s02!
― history mayne, Monday, 31 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link