You sick bastard.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you, go home and play with your kids! You wanna work here...close."
― Joe (Joe), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 18 April 2003 07:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
actorly macho bullshit masquerading as critique of something or other. (ok, great actorly macho bullshit, but i'll take swimming with sharks). what am i missing? also, only one "n".
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 18 April 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s1utsky, Friday, 18 April 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
Showgirls rules that genre. (honorable mention: Center Stage)
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
If you accept the fact that it's a genre film limited by the problems of such a self-conscious construct, then I think you can try and make that argument.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Huh? Genre is a limitation on form and style, not quality. And how is a genre film any more selfconscious than a non-genre film? I don't grok you at all, Ned.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Out of Sight
Actor that should be added to the "Underrated Supporting Actors" list:
Steve Zahn
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
In the case of this film in particular, I seem to remember you arguing that Verhoeven/Eszterhas knew the genre and its cliches well and were trying to subvert it -- personally I think that's reading too much into it and it's just an extremely dumb movie (and entertaining on that level because it's so bad) made by people who regard themselves as smarter than the material (though in this case I find the blame will always lie with Eszterhas more). So maybe I wasn't initially clear with my point, but I think we both agree that Showgirls's story is generic and that the creators knew it was generic, and that dismissing the film as horrible because of its genre would be a bad move.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
That totally rules!
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
If you would all write in the active voice and leave the straw men at home you would get into fewer of these arguments.
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hm, in that case I do apologize, because I thought you had done something similar on a previous thread. I was not trying to put words in your mouth! I only recalled that being your take.
leave the straw men at home
But they are friends! I create armies of them and they follow me around. It's a pity when they get wet in the rain, though.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
They really are like some of our best friends sometimes.
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
Jaws.
― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
The smileys are like, the straw men, agreeing with Ned.
Yay! My army of pixels!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
Felicity in Bevan-avatar shockah! ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link