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... who pretend they don't know where they're going

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:00 (twenty years ago) link

well, being from the north of england i know people of atkinson's generation
that's exactly where i'm drawing my thoughts from, being a yorkshireman. my dad's made racist jokes but, he makes curries and things and takes bits of them to the pakistani ownned shop round the other end of town to see whether he's getting it right. which doesn't mean i like some of the stuff he's said, but it means i do know that he does not have any bad feeling at all toward pakistani people because i've seen how he's interacted with them.

there's another article at the guardian now - http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1200646,00.html - where he does sound like the confused old guy i'm thinking of. but i still quite square it with the full harshness of the phrase.

the cab drivers are astonishing. ocne i'd had to cal the train comany for fucking up on connections and making me miss the last train, so they put on a cab from guildford to waterloo. there's was meant to be a guy with my name on a bit of paper but i didn't spot him, i go outside and find the cab, but the cabbie needed the bit of paper, so he calls and asks. a minute or two later turns up a black guy in uniform and one of those huge flourescent safety jackets and it's all squared up. as we set off i say, sorry mate, i didn't spot him. cabbie says "nah mate, you wouldn't unless he's smiling. and that's not being mean, that's not being mean.."

― matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:20 (twenty years ago) link

...I had that Big Ron in the back of me cab once.

I got a dodgy cab back home the other night. I live right by the River Lea in London and he was amazed. He got out and went and stood on the towpath. "A river? Here?"

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:22 (twenty years ago) link

"A river of blood? Here?"

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

but, he makes curries and things and takes bits of them to the pakistani ownned shop round the other end of town to see whether he's getting it right

i love that.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

That is great, aye.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

and he does this in a part of town where it's not usually clever for white people to go, too.

― matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:45 (twenty years ago) link

Ron's defence was naive

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:52 (twenty years ago) link

I think you can put that down to cynicism.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago) link

Can we also mention that Makelele dived to get that bloke sent off, hit the bloke as much as the bloke hit him, and that Desailly did properly elbow that other chap in the face?

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

The big lad Atko has let ITV down, he's let ITV viewers down but most of all he's let himslef down.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

We used to have a National Front ambulanceman in our village. I once saw his National Front newspaper. On the front page was a scathing exposé of limbo dancing. I suppose if we'd had taxis he'd have been a taxi driver, but there's not much call for them except to transport the cows from one trough to another.

When I started reading this thread I was surprised how much I like Big Ron, but it's starting to wear off a bit.

Who will replace him? I vote for Tommy Docherty.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:58 (twenty years ago) link

Oh no, not Docherty, that lying toerag

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:59 (twenty years ago) link

Mary! Come back to me!

― Laurie Brown (daveb), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

What does this whole thing say about Clive Tyldesley? Do he and the rest of ITV "lads" just sit around sniggering when Big Ron starts up his lovable racist banter?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

Andy Townsend!

"So Andy, 3-1 down against ten men - did Ranieri get his tactics wrong?"
"No Clive, not at all"

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:06 (twenty years ago) link

That's what I was saying, Dadaismus. You do start to wonder.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:11 (twenty years ago) link

You'd assume the loveable racist banter wasn't a regular occurrance, unless someone leaked this particular instance to the media to force Atkinson's resignation.

Will the Guardian sack him as well? He does Big Ron's Chalkboard for the sports section.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:17 (twenty years ago) link

It wasn't leaked, it was actually broadcast to some viewers in the Middle East - apparently

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:18 (twenty years ago) link

he can go write for the daily mail instead

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't Big Ron the only decent thing about the Guardian's footie coverage?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure they will. They implied as much in their statement last night.

You'd assume the loveable racist banter wasn't a regular occurrance, unless someone leaked this particular instance to the media to force Atkinson's resignation.

I don't follow this.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

What I mean is if this isn't an isolated incident, and he's spouting racist nonsense off-camera all the time why wait so long to sack him?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1200707,00.html

― matthew james (matthew james), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:22 (twenty years ago) link

Because it was never broadcast before.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:23 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, didn't realise it had actually gone out live in the Middle East.

"It was a great time. I think there's more racial prejudice now than there was then, though we used to make them sit on the back of the bus going to away games. We all used to laugh and joke about it. Cyrille [Regis] would say, 'If you don't stop giving me stick I'm going to buy a house next door to you'," he said in a recent interview.

And so Big Ron really does prove himself not to have a fucking clue.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:29 (twenty years ago) link

we used to make them sit on the back of the bus going to away games

WTF?!?!?!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

We used to have a National Front ambulanceman in our village. I once saw his National Front newspaper. On the front page was a scathing exposé of limbo dancing.

Limbo dancing! That great threat to the English way of life. No wonder they attract pig thick scumbags with investigative reporting of that calibre.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:35 (twenty years ago) link

I want to know what was scathingly exposed.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:37 (twenty years ago) link

well the nf is hardly a great threat to english life now either - i think it has a bout 4 members. not as much of a prob as it used to be.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:40 (twenty years ago) link

Something along the lines of "They intend to limbo under our doors and impregnate our women" perhaps?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:41 (twenty years ago) link

nicking our limboing jobs

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:41 (twenty years ago) link

www.ronglish.com has remained strangely quite on the issue so far.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

Curse those lewd rythyms.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

A white person has just moved in next door to me in Hackney. It's awful. He's up all night listening to indie music and eating fish & chips. What is this country coming to?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:48 (twenty years ago) link

that's me - minus the indie rock and the fish and chips. side issue: if you can tell me where there's a good chippie in hackney apart from faulkners in dalston i'll hug you

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

He's a loose cannon. Do you remember about three months agon on The Premier when he said that Walker was quite entitled to "chin" the Leicester fan who ran on. After the break Gaby Yorath said she'd just like to point out that The Premier did not condone violence.

― Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

They're all much of a muchness from my experience, although the one at the top of Southwold Road in Upper Clapton does fat boy portions.

Alternatively, get a 38 to Victoria. Take the train to Wareham in Dorset and then a bus to Swanage, there is a fine one called Da Plaice which does great chips and veggie sausages in batter.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Racism is evidenced by his comment; if he'd have said 'Desailly's a fucking stupid lazy cunt', I'd have thought - bang on. Don't know about thick, but take your word for it. It's the needlessness of the racist epithet that makes it racist. Obv. point I know, but there you go.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

Would there be an equivalent outcry if he'd used the words "lazy Frenchie"?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, make that "lazy frog".

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

No.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

Remember, on his "that Totti's a little twat" outburst last year, he also made reference to "the fucking krauts".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder what Desailly makes of all this? Probably hasn't got up yet, the lazy sod.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago) link

it wouldn't be good, but it wouldn't be *as bad*....the lareger the grouping of ppl your epithet describes, the worst the abuse seems. So one based on nationality is a bad thing, but not as bad as one based on race.

― MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago) link

Casual racism towards Germans seem pretty de rigeur amongst English football pundits

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

2 world wars and 1 world cup innit.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

You can never get a seat in German football stadiums because the Germans get up early and reserve them with beach towels.

Such is the stereotype.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

personally, i find inter-european bitching perfectly acceptable. it's based on cultural differences etc, not race and calling someone a frog is an entirely different matter to describing someone as a n1gger. in any case, the english are pretty similar to the germans, really, and not too different from the french. plus there's something about a war or something a few years ago, so i'm led to believe...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

Does that mean it's OK for me to dislike Welsh people because they're smelly and rude? That GLC song hasn't helped.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

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