Irony: I am going to see Knocked Up tonight for $2 at the awesome cheap theater near where I live. Well, no, I guess that's not really ironic at all.
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link
ok i am not going to have this argument again, if your really think you don't actually have to watch movies to pass judgment on them, i dont think we have much to talk about
― s1ocki, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link
To be fair, he wasn't passing judgement on Knocked Up but an archetype that overlaps with a perceived fanbase for that film.
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
YES
food critics, Christ
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Morbs contructs these phony binarities: if you love Apatow films, you're a meathead who will ignore a Tsai Ming-Liang release.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Can't one hate both?
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, wtf, a Renoir or pre-American Lang film wasn't getting the George Cukor Radio City treatment.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
no, I actually don't believe that particular phony binary
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Dr Morbius, Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
haha
― s1ocki, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Eric H., Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:35 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
and ya whatev, it's all ill-informed sophistry to this food critic.
xp
(That 'binary' is, of course, true 99% of the time; check the b.o. tallies)
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
actually lang was pretty well distributed in the '20s. renoir, no; but shit, hollywood brought over just about all the major talents, front and behind camera, from germany in the early '20s.
lang was not an art-house director: he was making big-budget films in a studio as big as any in california.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
The b.o. discrepancy can be attributed to the fact that people who would be into TML movies are all paying off their grad student loans.
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
oh, and buying every new Criterion DVD sight unseen.
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm not going to say Knocked Up (or numerous other youth-orientated Hollywood flicks) is a bad film (because i haven't seen it) but i stand by my 'this looks like i will hate it' thing and still find it interesting to look at why that is (not here tho). morbs probably doing a different thing ala momus vs tarantino.
― blueski, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
and i def wouldn't bother making judgement about apatow fanbase - esp. not when his films get the love they do on ILE.
― blueski, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
like the people on their forum? (actually if you think ILE/F threads are bad...)
― impudent harlot, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't think TML is very good. doesn't much to speak to my experience, doesn't much create forms that interest me.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
like the people on their forum?
Like all cinephiles in flyover country.
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
is Knocked Up YOUTH-oriented? Appears aimed squarely at 21-34 to me. But that is the New Adolescence, I guess.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
hah i was gonna say "speaking to my experience" = why i rate apatow highly (well, not the only reason)
― impudent harlot, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
its all KNOCKED UP's fucking fault.
― pisces, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link
But that is the New Adolescence, I guess.
kinda but i concede that Apatow, even with Superbad, has cracked it with getting people 16, 26 AND 36 roffling in the aisles
― blueski, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
is Knocked Up YOUTH-oriented?
It's het-oriented, and those hets who secretly fantasize about kissing Paul Rudd.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
My only peeve about Knocked Up sight unseen is how it was being sold as some sort of sleeper when it had as big a promotional push as any other summer blockbuster of the Michael Bay ilk.
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
so you had a problem with the marketing of the marketing.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't believe I'm the one that's been bitching about Knocked Up on this thread.
― Eric H., Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
look, if something valuable and good about past cultural arrangements (in this case, smart/euro/avant/classy movies being more widely loved or just more widely available -- if this was even true, but let's just say, for argument, it was) is dying, we just have to grit our teeth and let it die, frankly. why? cos there's no solution to the "problem" that's feasible let alone right.
what do you do, other than submit all production to some kind of morbs-approved board of culture? how does one prevent apatow films from getting to their audience? or insist that same audience go to a bergman retro instead?
― gff, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link
-- impudent harlot, Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:50 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
yeah me too! i was saying that taiwanese guy wasn't my stuff.
damn me for being het, i guess.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link
look, I wouldn't at all be surprised if KU turns out to be superior to the whole of 'mumblecore.'
The solution, as always, involvbes voting with your wallet. And The People are doing so with the same perspicacity they have in the 2000 and 2004 elections.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link
that is specious bullshit
― gff, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link
perhaps! It's even worse in the other popular arts. Britney gave a trainwreck performance?? How could they tell?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
(cuz it sounds way more interesting than her stellar past)
look there's more to the huge industrial/cultural changes afoot than demonstrating, again, typical little-manhattan handwringing about the great unwashed. if you want to make some connection between Apatow and GWB, go ahead, but it's gotta be something more substantial than "ppl other than me, dr morbius, famed internet complainer, are retards"
― gff, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Britney gave a trainwreck performance?? How could they tell?
oh COME ON
― blueski, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link
forget Apatow.
"we" like movies and presidents that go BOOM. The End.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link
socialism
― acrobat, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Great thread.
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Irony: I am going to see Knocked Up tonight for $2 at the awesome cheap theater near where I live.
Possible irony: I am finally going to see the Mexican gay art film (and Armond White fave) Broken Sky tonight, which I rented from Kim's Video. And if you fellas wanna see some REAL snobs, meet the staff there.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
enticing
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link
one half of Coldcut made the remark in an interview once that he was totally okay with the whole Ninjatune thing having a very limited audience, because "most people don't care about music!" and pointed out some woman walking by with a baby carriage as an example "they've got lots of other stuff on their mind." etc.
People are always going to make and consume twatty bullshit, that doesn't mean the slightly more sophisticated and exploratory entertainments have to die. If anything the modern marketplace has and will continue to provide the Long Tail stuff with more lucrative rewards and a more widespread audience than we've ever experienced in our lifetime.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link
That's true. It makes me happy to think that "Mon Oncle" is still making money!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
http://infocult.typepad.com/infocult/2007/01/la_jete_on_yout.html
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
If the work of any of these directors is analagous to Ninja Tune I will happily let the whole fucking shebang die.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
(I have no opinion on the subject in question, just wanted to get that shot in)
― Matt DC, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
They've been calling Broadway theatre The Fabulous Invalid for about 40 years now, perhaps we just need a similarly agreed-upon handle for cinema to stop these endless Death waves.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link
you're just not cool enough for Coldcut, Matt.
― blueski, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i'd like to thank everyone on this thread for avoiding quoting film critics
― J.D., Friday, 14 September 2007 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
This thread is a lie told 94 times per second.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 14 September 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link
But... but genres only get interesting after they die! Why the hand-wringing?
― Casuistry, Friday, 14 September 2007 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link