A thread for Phil Hartman

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I hate to speak ill of the dead, but the SNL Best of also made me think that he might have harbored some misogyny.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Gee, I can't imagine why he would have felt a little bitter about one woman in particular...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh well yeah, um, well I guess there is that.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 9 September 2005 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey heres something from the IMDB triv on him I have to admit I didnt know: The character of Phillip J Fry in 'Futurama' is named for him.

Thats sweet.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 9 September 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but the SNL Best of also made me think that he might have harbored some misogyny.

Say more.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link

All of the women in that SNL book spoke very very highly of him, about him being one of the few men in the cast at the time who was supportive the female cast members. Of course, the book was written after his death, but it rang true to me.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but the SNL Best of also made me think that he might have harbored some misogyny.

Say more.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), September 9th, 2005.

Just seemed like a lot of the skits he's in happen to involve him berating or talking down to women. Maybe one of the writers just kept writing him those parts though, or maybe it's just what they selected.

Anyway, it's not in a "what a misogynistic prick" kind of way so much as a repressed anger kind of way, which, as said above, might be understandable.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think you can judge by the skits that he did. He may have been (and probably was) lampooning that type of character. Maybe one of the things he always found extremely funny was the misogynist type like you'd see in a lot of movies. .. think of Laurence Olivier in Rebecca... Hilarious!

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Loved her? Loved her? You perfect fool! I hated her!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 9 September 2005 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Bill: You know what it's like? It's like taking your daughter to the fair and buying her cotton candy and winning prizes for her and then you get on the Ferris wheel and she wants to make out.

Lisa: Ok...

Bill: Well how could she do that to me, Lisa? How could she... french her daddy?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

dave225 OTM. I think he was very good at playing that sort of clueless authoritarian figure and so was cast in sketches that played upon that strength.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i hear carol o'connor was a racist

oops (Oops), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"Gazziza Dilznoofus it's Bill McNeal saying get with the crezappy taste of Rocketfuel Malt Liquor... Rocketfuel's got tha upstate prison flavor that keeps you ugly all night long. So when you wanna get sick remember, nothing makes yo' feet stank like Rocketfuel Malt Liquor... DAMN! It's crezappy!!!"

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"I respectfully suggest we move away from the Simpsons-geekery (for which we have many many other threads) and back to the Hartman celebration."

pffft. I fail to see how lines from NewsRadio (an innocuous and forgettable sitcom) are somehow inherently more worthwhile than his work on the Simpsons (the greatest television show of the last 20 years).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree. There is a lot of overlap between Simpsons love and Hartman love, and you can't just make that go away. YOU CAN'T!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel like there's more HARTMAN in NewsRadio, since you can see his face and his actions, and since I've noted I think he's actually a great ACTOR. I like his Simpsons work too, but I think it's more about the writers than his voicework. And then when you get into text quotes of the Simpsons, you lose all of the Hartman and it's JUST about the writers. So really, I'd prefer to stay away from contextless quoting completely and actually discuss Hartman's work, but that's just me and I'm sure I'll be overruled.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I was writing that as I was thinking about it, so that's why I kind of contradict myself. The last sentence is the most important part.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

newsradio never got shown over here, nor SNL really, so i'm enjoying the quotes from those more. but thanks for all of it...

stevie (stevie), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

it is just text here, but when i read it i can hear phil doing troy/lionel and that is what makes me giggle, if I do.

NewsRadio is obviously more indie than the Simpsons. Less played out. Less tainted by this conception of the ultra-geeky fan. Less funny though, too. Quoting it shows that you are a connosseur of fine, less well-known vintage comedy, and better than Simpsons geeks.

oops (Oops), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess I'm just snarky cuz I just got the Simpsons Season 6 DVDs and Hartman's all over it. Bart vs. Australia, for example, has a great Hartman part (as the US Ambassador).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree. There is a lot of overlap between Simpsons love and Hartman love, and you can't just make that go away. YOU CAN'T!

Very nice. Now is this where I point out the 'crezappy' bit was already quoted near the top of the thread?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

according to imdb phil hartman's first role was as "additional voices" on "scooby and scrappy-doo"!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Very nice. Now is this where I point out the 'crezappy' bit was already quoted near the top of the thread?

I don't think that anyone did this.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"Gazziza Dilznoofus it's Bill McNeal saying get with the crezappy taste of Rocketfuel Malt Liquor... Rocketfuel's got tha upstate prison flavor that keeps you ugly all night long. So when you wanna get sick remember, nothing makes yo' feet stank like Rocketfuel Malt Liquor... DAMN! It's crezappy!!!"

-- Allyzay knows a little German (allyza...), September 8th, 2005. (later)

I mean, I agree it's wonderful to quote again and again and all. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, this is just one of those things that we'll never know the full truth of.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

NewsRadio is obviously more indie than the Simpsons. Less played out. Less tainted by this conception of the ultra-geeky fan.

just because youre banned from the crush thread..., Friday, 9 September 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The best was when Dave and Bill both quit coffee.

Dave quit coffee, Bill quit smoking. To wit:

Dave: Hey I have an idea. I'll give up coffee, if you give up cigarettes. Huh? We'll go through this together.
Bill: But you should have to give up something of equal difficulty. Like going to the bathroom.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually find The Simpsons to be innocuous and forgettable! Whoops! I agree with N/A in that there are about 70 threads dedicated to the Simpsons, I don't mind people quoting his Simpson's work here but I don't want this to turn into a "quote Lionel Hutch" or whatever his name is thread.

Anyway, kenan, the best line of that isn't in your quote. The best line of it is the part where Dave admits to drinking 2-3 POTS of coffee per day and Bill is like, "That's just...SICK."

Also the episode where he gives himself a heart attack wearing the Patch "like a belt" around his waist and they revive him with Foghat.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

guys guys, there's room for simpsons love AND news radio love.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but the SNL Best of also made me think that he might have harbored some misogyny.

Say more.

One of his wives remarked that he "wasn't all there" emotionally, but what comedian/actor/entertainment guy isn't.

I liked his "Max Jerome - Private Eye!" character from the 1-800-COLLECT commercials

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Also the episode where he gives himself a heart attack wearing the Patch "like a belt" around his waist and they revive him with Foghat.

I think you're conflating Bill eating the patch and Jimmy James in the coma.

The Yellow Kid, Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Yellow Kid is right. Ally, rent one DVD.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Or several, even. Make a day of it. I recommend this to anyone.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Bill eating the patch

He didn't EAT it! My God, do I have to LOAN you all the DVDs?

Anyway... yeah... Phil Hartman... great.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i liked newsradio a lot, i just don't remember too much of it anymore:-/

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

He did eat the patch - just not then. It was in the fourth season where he switched to chewing tobacco.

"Are you challenging my constitutional right to make nude phone calls?"

carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 10 September 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread has made me laugh so hard. Thank you.
I think Phil would be very happy with this thread.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 10 September 2005 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
"Rain . . . Spain . . . Bunnybrain!"

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 6 November 2005 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Harry: Johnny! Good to see you!

Johnny O'Connor: Hello, Harry, how's tricks?

Harry: not bad for an old dog! [ both men laugh ] Have a seat. [ Johnny sits ] How's the film going?

Johnny O'Connor: Well, I just shot the last scene. [ re-enacts that last scene for Harry ] There I was in the cockpit, surrounded by zeroes, enemy aircraft carrier in my sight! My machine guns were empty! I had one bullet left! [ screams ] Aaaagggghhhhhhh!!!!

Harry: [ jumps up ] Alright, snap out of it!

Johnny O'Connor: You snap out of it!

Harry: You snap out of it! [ slaps Jonnhy's face ]

Johnny O'Connor: Sorry, Harry. I think I got a little lost in this role.

Harry: Yeah, I guess you did.

Johnny O'Connor: Anyway, I'm sure "Yankee Kamikazee" is going to be a real winner.

Harry: Well, I hope you're right..

Johnny O'Connor: [ reflecting ] Maybe I've made too many of these war movies. Maybe I should take a rest, huh, Harry?

Harry: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Johnny.. I was thinking you should take a rest, too. A permanent one.

Johnny O'Connor: [ confused ] What do you mean?

Harry: I'm letting you go.

Johnny O'Connor: You mean..?

Harry: Yes. Your contract isn't being renewed.

Johnny O'Connor: But, Harry, I..

Harry: You're finished, Johnny!

Johnny O'Connor: Don't mince words!

Harry: I think you stink!

Johnny O'Connor: Listen, Harry, if you're unhappy with my work, tell me now!

Harry: You're through, do you hear me, through! You'll never work in this town again!

Johnny O'Connor:Don't leave me hanging by a thread! Let me know how I stand!

Harry: I think you're the worst actor I've ever seen, and I get five hundred letters a day telling me the same!

Johnny O'Connor: What's the word on the street?

Harry: [ angry ] Now, you listen to me, Johnny O'Connor: you've been flying in that airplane too long, and it's time you were grounded!

Johnny O'Connor: Nobody shoots down Johnny O'Connor.. You're forgetting something, Harry! I'm a hero! I've made twelve war movies for you, Harry, and they've all made gold! I've knocked more Mitsubishis out of the sky than any man alive!

Harry: Look, Johnny.. Johnny, you're forgetting something: the Japanese are our allies now. The war is over, Johnny. So are you.

Johnny O'Connor: [ persistent ] Is it the booze, Harry? The dames? I'll cut back!

Harry: No, no, Johnny..

Johnny O'Connor: Is it the pills?

Harry: No.

Johnny O'Connor: The sheep?

Harry: No.

Johnny O'Connor: The ducks?

Harry: No.

Johnny O'Connor: Your wife?

Harry: No, not.. what?!

Johnny O'Connor: What?!

Harry: What?! Oh! Get off!

Johnny O'Connor: [ near tears ] I'm sorry if I let you down, Harry. You've always been like a father to me..

Harry: [ reconsidering ] Oh, Johnny.. Johnny.. Alright. I'm going to give you one more chance..

Johnny O'Connor: [ excited ] Do you mean it, Harry?

Harry: Yes, I'm afraid I do.. Now, listen - I'm doing a new picture: "Reptilla". A lizard gets mutated by an atomic blast, see? It swells up, twenty stories high! And there's a fire-breathing tango all over Tokyo!

Johnny O'Connor: [ thinking ] Yeah.. yeah.. I think I can play a giant reptile..

Harry: Don't be ridiculous! Reptilla will be played by a man in a rubber suit.

Johnny O'Connor: Oh.. I don't want my face covered.

Harry: Of course not. Now, the part I have in mind for you is this one.. [ flips through script ] You're Man #3.

Johnny O'Connor: Man #3.

Harry: You're on an elevated train. You slip off, and get squished by Reptilla's toe. Here, read this line.

Johnny O'Connor: [ looks at the line and recites it dramatically ] Aaaagggghhhhhh!!

Harry: Good! You can start packing, we sail a week from Tuesday.

Johnny O'Connor: Thanks, Harry, you won't regret it! [ walks away from Harry ]

Harry: Hey, don't forget your script!

Johnny O'Connor: [ returns, grabs script ] Yes! Science fiction! The wave of the future!

gear (gear), Sunday, 6 November 2005 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahahah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The bald chick--what's with her head? Let's start with the chick.

. . .

I'll tell you what you better understand. Next time Old Glory rides up that pole, you'd better sing that anthem, darling.

It's not my flag, I'm Irish.

Oh yeah? Well then stay off of this stuff. That's the curse of you people.

rael imperial aerosol kid, Sunday, 6 November 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
"NewsRadio" reruns just started on Nick at Nite last week -- eight shows in a row on Tuesday (? -- check your local listings) mornings before the sun comes up.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Seriously, fuck Andy Dick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U27SzxD1Xyo

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Ten years ago next week :-(

StanM, Friday, 22 May 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

:(

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 May 2009 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Damn, I had thought it was coming up soon.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 May 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it's eleven.

kate78, Friday, 22 May 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

It is eleven, he died in 1998.

homage is parody gone sour (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 May 2009 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry!

StanM, Friday, 22 May 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link

No big deal, I just thought I remembered reading a "10 years on" type of article last year.

homage is parody gone sour (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 May 2009 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link


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