itt a strange man asks if you saw the ass on that one

if actions can be more or less good, then thoughts too. i mean, what's the difference? yeah yeah, whether it affects others, but the "don't affect anyone w/ yr bullshit" is more of a political issue than a moral one.

xp eh 'natural' -- as far as human sexuality even is such, so what?

i don't have any grand solutions, but i'm dissatisfied with a state of affairs where "don't [act like] a creep" is fine but "don't [think like] a creep" is like 10 steps too far. why?

1mx xps

i must not think bad thoughts

ENBB i think its perfectly legit to critique personal sexual ideas as much as anything else! just because it occurs to someone 'naturally' doesnt mean its above consideration -- a lot of 'natural' ideas of sexuality are actually the result of environmental stimuli anyway

*having thoughts furiously*

deej i never understand why some people think they need to be schoolmarms.

Ppl have been very open and I think the range in how much ppl feel free/threatened wrt sex talk/thoughts in public is perhaps the most significant thing. It would be harsh to ask ppl to take responsibility for how vulnerable they feel their identity is to the gaze of others. I guess I think it would be best if the strange man at the liquor store was disempowered, if that expression made him vulnerable rather than the woman whose ass it was, if him doing his "I have a boner" thing was more of a risky personal confession than a landgrab. But, def as long as we're young and hot enough to be desired and probably forever, the sexual threat is going to bear way more on women, and that can give any guy's thoughts/looks/behaviour an extra potency to women they're dealing with, regardless of intention. So I think that puts the onus on guys to be aware of potentially very different levels of comfort/openness w/expressing/receiving desire. I don't think the answer is to try and find a standard of behaviour you can justify, and say that beyond that, if anyone is uncomfortable it's their problem. Sometimes that is hard and there's probably an 18 year old woman in rural Afghanistan who would never be comfortable talking to me alone, not my fault, but what can you do?

sorry to interrupt your sexy time, granny danger, perhaps there are other whole entire internets out there for you

ilxor.com: your source for schoolmarms

dude sorry my negative reaction to people being all "yes let's start questioning people's baser thoughts, that will surely be really productive and something that always works well for the human race" rankled you so

Laurel's original post was fine.

Laurel's second post was idiotic lashing out at black people a la Michael Richards.

Only horseshoe and I called her on it and she never actually apologized for doing it.

I'm still fucking pissed off about it but, on balance, not really surprised, because this is pretty much exactly what I expect from all of you; it's still disheartening, though.

dude sorry my negative reaction to people being all "yes let's start questioning people's baser thoughts, that will surely be really productive and something that always works well for the human race" rankled you so

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:37 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

no one asked for peak inside your brain im fairly certain

I think it's time this thread got laid. Then maybe it can have a snack and go to sleep happy.

Hahahah Dan you are doing EXACTLY WHAT I PRAISED YOU FOR, which is policing these boards for levels of EVEN JOKEY racism that might read as fucked up or offend normal readers (and mine was purposefully way beyond that). My point EXACTLY is that no one does this for any other issue on ILX. And see? You can't let it go either.

hi dere im pretty sure i said something too

did you SB her? xps

in other words i have been otm in this thread

her point as i read it was that there is a strong taboo on ilx against racism but not one against "equivalent" levels of sexism. which, fair enough, as far as it goes.

xp

im trying to argue its more nuanced than that but w/e

dan perry turns into tombot, thread is complete

not that laurel's racist trolling was excusable

her point was pretty lame

Hahaha shut the fuck up, Laurel. It's not cute, it's not funny and it's not intellectually honest.

You could have made EXACTLY the same point by posting EXACTLY the same thing without using the word "nigger". So WHY DID YOU?

And see? You can't let it go either.

Um. Laurel, do you really think he should just "let it go." Hopefully you will say you are just kidding about this post, too.

(not that it makes it any better)

The fact that you were upset and the fact that you have a valid point doesn't actually give you carte blanche to do a Michael Richards in my eyes. If you think that makes me overly touchy, so be it.

I'll note that you STILL HAVEN'T FUCKING APOLOGIZED.

dan can we not make this about you please

The point is that Towel Head and Camel Jockey are perfectly good substitutes.

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/6512/original/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

kevin just a quick tip--shut up, now

the racism comparison/n-bomb out of nowhere bugged me out to and I figured it did everyone else too. nobody even ever says anything like "did you see the black on that n****r?" and if they did it would be in a completely different context/tone than saying "did you see the ass on that one?"

comparisons of sexism and racism are generally unsuccessful because while they are both morally reprehensible, boneheaded forms of discrimination they have completely different histories and social connotations/consequences, so basically any time you try to draw the comparison you should at least have the common sense to not drop n-bombs even if it is to "make a point"/elicit a specific reaction

fwiw goole's questioning of people's thoughts weren't completely wrong imo, i mean you shouldnt be having sexual thoughts about children, for example.

ppl got defensive cuz they felt she was conflating them w/ the creep ... or something idk

yeah, doesn't much of the discomfort of this stuff comes from feeling... not as distant to the guy as you'd like? I'm sort of imagining that's what people who voted "slamming" were half confessing? It isn't like ilx not to mention 'narcissism of small differences' etc! It's the thing from the DFW article on Blue Velvet, etc...

I don't get how people can say this thread is a clusterfuck, honestly. It's really good!

k3v .... dan isnt making it 'about him'

yeah that was poor wording an i apologize, i just thought the thread took an interesting turn and we had all already called her out on it

u need to let your ideas catch up to your condescension before dropping jaded-bombs on ilx

you guys should really bring paedo into this too.

maybe you can come up with the unified theory of objectionable thoughts.

fwiw goole's questioning of people's thoughts weren't completely wrong imo, i mean you shouldnt be having sexual thoughts about children, for example.

― brutt fartve (k3vin k.), Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:50 PM (3 minutes ago)

is it okay to masturbate in front of a baby if you find it physically attractive?

yes k3v i was referring to your post

Dear Kevin K

Thanks for reminding me I shouldn't be having sexual thoughts about children.

You're the best,

Que

good job picking up on that

cya

good contribution btw

laurel's right in that there's a diff standard for racist language and sexist language on ilx

that was not the best way to address it

how did we let this thread be about k3v

lol no worse than many others; mediocrity is what i strive for

this thread needs some gay slurs

this thread needs some gay curs, and by gay curs i mean dogs that are gay

^ playing with image bomb fire imo