Oh sweet jesus this is insane. I want to comment this ~~~ fwiw goole's questioning of people's thoughts weren't completely wrong imo, i mean you shouldnt be having sexual thoughts about children, for example ~~~ but at this point the double face palm thing is really the only appropriate response to any of this.
― bear say hi to me (ENBB), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I am actually sorry, Dan, because that's an appalling thing to say and in fact I don't even know what assholes say about people who aren't white so I make something up which is patently ridiculous as well as offensive. But a lot of this thread has been arguing that we should give ~that guy~ a pass for similar reasons: he's poorly socialized, he's just reaching out for a human connection, he doens't know better, the fact that it was creepey and weird is precisely because vulnerability is so difficult for him, etc.
Everyone at this point who's genuinely participating here understands exactly what I meant and everyone else, I can't be bothered with.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ expecting to learn something from a poll thread called "itt a strange man asks if you saw the ass on that one"
xps
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks.
fwiw had you just said "Did you see how dark that one was?" you would have made your point and I wouldn't have been offended.
― Huckabee Jesus lifeline (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Just to add to the clusterfuckery of this thread, what do we think about guys and lesbians checking out girls' asses together? 'Cause I will totally cop to doing this w/my friend, Monica, though Monica is more into breasts.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
if you want to learn something you should be reading "quantum mechanics: c or d" or "itt m white teaches you some french"
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, December 2, 2009 5:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha yeah
I don't know about most of you guys but i scanned the choices, picked the lolest one and that was it.
― carne asada, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
laurel im not sure anyone wanted to give ~that~ guy a pass?? im not always sure i know what contenderizer is saying tho
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I was mad. Also, I genuinely don't know what kind of racist language people use to be offensive because uh I don't do it, and neither does anyone I know. Obv.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:04 PM (1 minute ago)
take it to braggin!
― goole, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I've had arguments with my sister-in-law about who is hotter between Rosario Dawson and Natalie Portman, but never over any person we saw on the street or anything, largely because neither one of us is particularly wired for that type of conversation; once you start talking about someone you could theoretically touch, it just gets weird and creepy (esp. since I'm married to her sister, lol).
― Huckabee Jesus lifeline (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I want to comment this ~~~ fwiw goole's questioning of people's thoughts weren't completely wrong imo, i mean you shouldnt be having sexual thoughts about children, for example ~~~
Could you, anyway? I wanted to take issue with it but couldn't figure out how to articulate it without looking like I advocated pedophilia.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think it's wrong to question or judge people for thoughts. I do think it's wrong to judge them as harshly as one would judge them for actions.
― Huckabee Jesus lifeline (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought that post was funny, insofar as I find it amusing when people feel the need to point out broad, obvious taboos. "btw modern society thinks pedophilia is the worst!"
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
"between thought & expression lies a lifetime" or something like thatxpost
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
DOWN WITH MURDER
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
one time i had to tell a student that she couldn't use the following thesis statement for her argumentative essay:
"Lions are too aggressive."
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
the whole situation made me sad tbh
oh man, I bet that would have been an amazing essay
― Huckabee Jesus lifeline (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
she wrote the first few paragraphs. they detailed various attacks on humans by lions. :-/
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I genuinely don't know what kind of racist language people use to be offensive
so I guess SOMEONE has learned something from this thread after all lolz
― strange asses outside liquor stores (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I prefer being seduced and drugged by lions to being savagely mauled to death by them.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
(I would be up for a series of Serious Threads called "itt [ilx poster] teaches you about [area of specialist knowledge]" - that is a good idea)
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
The first thing that occurred to me when I came upon this thread was the different standards, in different countries, for eye contact, openly checking people out, openly commenting on them, etc. It is forever a shock the first few days I'm in France or Italy, how openly not only men but women check other people out both in sexual and non-sexual ways all of which would be considered rude and even dangerous in SF most of the time. My gf and I always point out hot (but most especially well-dressed) people to each other. We both know we're glancing or looking so why not make a game out of it. What's interesting is to see how are tastes converge and diverge. She has her own unique taste in guys that I sometimes get and sometimes don't and vice-versa.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
this is pretty airtight imo
― goole, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
The cultural differences of looking and privacy in public are talked about at length in The Hidden Language. I guess there must be a whole school of sociology based on proxemics by now? Wikipedia page does not suggest that it took off, but maybe someone can enlighten me.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
fwiw goole's questioning of people's thoughts weren't completely wrong imo, i mean you shouldnt be having sexual thoughts about children, for example
absolutely and unreservedly disagree with this. cops policing child porn have to entertain sexual thoughts about children all the time. as a matter of fact, just by reading my words you are committing THOUGHTCRIME by goole's standards. fuck that shit. slippery slope from which there is no return.
― strange asses outside liquor stores (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/minority_report26.jpg
― cantus in memory of benjamin bratt (omar little), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
dont really think thats what goole is saying shakey
― max, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Following up on my other post, the issue with judging someone for their thoughts is that you don't actually know what they are until they do something (assume talking counts as "doing something") unless you guys can all read minds and I'm actually mentally disabled, so I'm backpedalling a lot on my "judging thoughts is okay" line.
To use an example: I know someone who was raised not to judge people, that everyone was worthy of respect and should be treated as such. Later on, this same person had a sibling come out and one of this person's parents was VEHEMENTLY negative and homophobic about it, entirely at odds with how they raised their children and the views the kids had. This all came as a shock to the person I know, who assumed that the parent was totally fine with gay people. In this case, had it not been for the gay child no one would have known this parent had these types of thoughts; it didn't show up in how the kids were raised and it never came up in political discussions, so how would anyone know this about the parent until the negative reaction to the gay sibling?
― Huckabee Jesus lifeline (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
im also not sure its fair to say that cops policing child porn are "entertaining sexual thoughts about children all the time"
― max, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
hey Erica i understand why you're concerned about critiquing people's thoughts but when it comes to this stuff, i think the account where people have sexual thoughts about each other because we're all animals is insufficient. in our culture women's bodies are sexualized more perniciously and more frequently, and just more everywhere you look than are men's and sexual violence occurs disproportionately<--i know you know this already; it is basically the most obvious sentence i have ever typed? it seems non-crazy to wonder how this might affect the way people think about each other sexually and to posit that there might be negative effects.
totally comfortable with granny dainger thinking i'm a "schoolmarm" as a result.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
xxpost Have you ever said things while in your mind at the same time you're saying to yourself, I don't really feel so strongly about this as I sound?
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
lol xposts i don't think goole said anything about any of that, Shakey
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
haha yeah well "entertaining" perhaps not the best choice of words.
but I look forward to goole elaborating on WRONG thoughts and how some thoughts are not acceptable which, I'm sorry, is complete bullshit
x-posts
― strange asses outside liquor stores (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i think it's a mistake to conflate 'extremes' of sexual thought with sexual thought in general: ie, to consider thoughts of attack or rape, or thoughts involving children (which obviously involve a non-consensual dimension), when neither are part of the spectrum of sexual thought but something separate involving power, etc. you can defend sexual thought without having to defend anything that has a sexual aspect: they're distinct.
― rap band (schlump), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i think there's definitely something to be said for the fact that a lot of guys think they're being proper and respectful in their flirting and they're actually not (cf. the occasional o_O reply on a WDYLL thread)
― cantus in memory of benjamin bratt (omar little), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
You might want to worry if you enjoy sexual thoughts about children, though, Shakey, no? Or if they arouse you, right? I am an ardent supporter of freedom of speech and of conscience but surely getting off at the thought very non-consensual sex is a bit of a warning sign?
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think people are animals. biologically we are, obviously, but the whole reason we can judge people for their actions and opinions is that we can expect them not to be controlled by biological instincts. xposts
― harbl, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
thread keeps giving
― there but for the grace of mod go i (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
who ever said animals were proportionate? xpost to the shoe awhile back there
― bnw, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
while we're not on the subject, i don't think there is such a thing as a slippery slope.
― goole, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
he never said any of these things fwiw
― max, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think anyone's suggesting some kind of THOUGHTCRIMES thing, more along the lines of "not everything you think about is a-okay and if you think certain not okay thoughts you might want to recognize that fact."
― cantus in memory of benjamin bratt (omar little), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
The moral of this thread is "have a superego."
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah also it's not really about particular thoughts (everyone thinks weird stuff once i a while) but thought patterns/systems. maybe that's what schlump said.
― harbl, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think being controlled by biological instinct is the definition of being an animal; if so, a lot of domestic pets aren't actually animals.
― Huckabee Jesus lifeline (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i can't tell if that is a real question or a joke, bnw! it's my fault because my post was badly worded; i can never figure out how to say this stuff.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
no, it's not entirely.xpost
― harbl, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
btw i wasn't really talking about judging other people for their thoughts. oh my gosh, that is not even possible!! ...but about judging yourself. hey, i'm not doing anything bad, i'm only thinking. really?
xps thanks to others for interlocuting.
― goole, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link